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@shzarmai

9 ай бұрын

Interesting video, I think free childcare, a sustainable work-life balance, more affordable housing, and a communitarian natalist religious revival across Global North countries or the ''rich world'' could help a lot.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

9 ай бұрын

what an irony, the richer a country, the more expensive it is to have children (society standard)

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

9 ай бұрын

This video data does not count children out of wedlock (haram) where in many western countries it covers 30%. whereas in Asia it is something that is taboo. you have to get married (expensive). so the birth rate is lower than the west

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

9 ай бұрын

This video does not include data on woke feminists, the social media movement for divorce, the movement for not marrying (South Korea), LGBTQ abortion and dating culture. access to birth control devices .effect on birth rates rate.

@drfelren

9 ай бұрын

A massive factor is that the marriage rate has been in decline for decades now. Less marriages equals less families and so, less babies.

I'm from Uzbekistan, we don't have any problems regarding reproduction. People get married early and have kids. The problem is that parents don't really consider or think about future of the kids like education or housing. Our parents' retirement plan is us, meaning kids. I myself came to South korea to study but I had to quit cuz of financial difficulties. There you go, rich people have 1 child, educated and provided. Poor people have 5 broke-ass kids and they will work for rich kids.

@Plukard

9 ай бұрын

Lol, i've never seen 5 kids family in cities (Samarkand, Tashkent). Only in rural areas it's normal to have so much kids. In cities it is 2-3 i guess. And in very rare occasions it is 4. But statistics says that birth rate in cities and rural areas almost the same. I think the problem is that we don't know what they consider cities in statistics.

@Energine1

9 ай бұрын

Rich kids who are sad and lonely and have no real family which exacerbates as they age. Whos rich now?

@kingkamaro9442

9 ай бұрын

​​@@Energine1 How do you know that rich kids are sad and lonely in general? Where is the poll proving that?

@Plukard

9 ай бұрын

@@Energine1 is this how you try to console yourself?

@dinglshingle

9 ай бұрын

and that is a perfect society, the many will serve the few /s

the cost of property is a major factor. the idea of having a family where 1 parent looks after the children full time seems lavish today.

@aminek7693

9 ай бұрын

Israel has the highest fertiliy rate by far among developed countries, and its property price to income ratio is much higher than european countries or even the USA. It has little to do with property price

@sawyersprott

9 ай бұрын

That’s what me and my wife are currently, and plan on continuing to do. As long as you make certain sacrifices, and are willing to have your wife care for your children/family instead of working for a boss, it’s totally possible. Also, living in a lower cost of living area plays a huge role in affordability. I bought our house when I was 22 (currently 25). I grew up near Austin, and realized pretty quickly that there was just no way I’d ever be able to buy a house nearby where I grew up. We are also planning on homeschooling, and hope for 5 children (currently on #1), so it’s not like she wouldn’t be doing anything for 7-8 hours a day while the kids would be at school, so she’ll be more “productive” that way I guess.

@aquaxbat

9 ай бұрын

@@sawyersprott your wife is eager to live the life you described? How old is she?

@aquaxbat

9 ай бұрын

@@aminek7693there’s a religious/cultural component to this scenario that likely overrides certain economic incentives.

@MoneyMacro

9 ай бұрын

In the studies I read they couldn't really find a clear pattern to support that property prices are a good factor to include. Which surprised me as well

“Rich” countries are dying because we can’t afford a house, let alone an extra room to put a baby in

@antoniobabb4569

8 ай бұрын

You can thank the world economic forum for that

@ala.ba7394

8 ай бұрын

They are literally selling houses for 1 Euro in many countries like Italy, France, Japan...

@victorbukhaltsev9010

7 ай бұрын

​​​​@@ala.ba7394in Italy these houses are selled in areas with no jobs. You mush return original view of the house in strict time like 3 years, must use local archive for that, can't hire anyone except locals etc

@vitae4929

7 ай бұрын

“Poor” countries can’t either though

@FideszLover15

7 ай бұрын

@@ala.ba7394 maybe actually do some research about those "1 euro houses". Not only are they in regions where there are 0 jobs, so useful only for digital nomads that wouldn't even pay tax in that country. but they also cost a lot more than 1 euro, especially when you add renovations to the cost

As a dutchy (almost 30 now) I'm well educated (university) and when the issue of children comes up the number 1 thing I always hear is that they would if they could own a house. If pressed on the matter, it's about the monthly expenses and space availability. Rent is just crushingly high, owning a house would be cheaper. Plus most rentals are tiny, raising children in them is unappealing. My parents are sitting on a large house, and they want to sell, but new tiny appartments cost the same as what they (think) they can sell their current home form, so they do not sell, and thus teh next generation can't get a nice big house. Housing seems to me to be an absolute factor, we have treated it like investment property and to make sure the price keeps going up, we stopped building nearly enough nice houses.

@castirondude

6 ай бұрын

The Dutch baby boomers grew up with cheap houses. I lived in Friesland and the median house price in the 70's was probably some 5000 guilders. In fact my dad bought a house in the early 90's for 15,000 guilders which is about 6000 dollars. Now these same >100 year old houses are like 200-300k euros which is absolutely insane. That's like 50x the price in 20-25 years. Now even my dad is saying well "we need to limit new construction and keep open space" etc. Well that's easy for you to say but we let all these migrants in and they get social housing and meanwhile young people have to sell a kidney to even get a downpayment for a house.

@tyresaleslead

6 ай бұрын

Feminism + immigration will destroy the west.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

How irreponcible of your parrents. The parrents house must go to their children. Also yea its prity hard to have sex when your parrents are in the other room.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

@@castirondude Yes. If you banish 25% of the population housing prices will fall to be affordable again. Reduce demand, decrease price.

@gregoryturk1275

Ай бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714Of course you are too good to be part of that 25% right?

Damn, this is dedication: having a baby, living with them for some years and then making a video about fertility rates. I'm joking, excellent video as usual!

@MoneyMacro

9 ай бұрын

Hehe. 5 months

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

9 ай бұрын

​@@MoneyMacrothe Soviet Union is a country with upper middle income but has a fertility rate of 2.3. but when Russia became a poor country the fertility rate dropped to 1.2 during the 90s. answer why

@laurencefraser

9 ай бұрын

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa I seem to recall there being a fairly established thing that in times of significant hardship and disruption, fertility rates and either drop sharply or rise a Lot, depending on exactly what sort of hardship and disruption is going on and why (if more hands to do the work will improve things, it ends to go up, if more mouths to feed will make things worse, it tends to go down, just for the very obvious ones).

@jasonquigley2633

9 ай бұрын

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Russia didn't revert to agrarianism (where you can put your children to work in the fields), it remained an industrial economy, but extremely disfunctional. Hence, the material conditions for having children did not exist, and the fertility rate plunged. Meanwhile, in the Soviet era, there was a cradle to grave welfare state, and having children was generally cheap and easy (education was one of the things the USSR did relatively well), so fertility rates were fairly high.

@CaedenV

9 ай бұрын

I can imagine how that conversation went "hey honey, could I get your participation in a practical economics experiment"

Lol. Every time an economist asks me that question I return the question back at them. “ why aren’t you and your spouse having 3-4-5 kids? “. 😂

@neocortex8198

9 ай бұрын

we need to have massive tax hikes on those with less kids especially retirees, id even argue banning retirement for anyone with at least 3 kids.

@NityaStriker

9 ай бұрын

Elon Musk has 10 kids. 😂

@neocortex8198

9 ай бұрын

@@NityaStrikerBASED

@miguelcebriancarrasco1907

9 ай бұрын

@@neocortex8198 how many kids do you have?

@AlxM96

9 ай бұрын

​@@neocortex8198yeah that's a great idea, create a system where the majority of the people can barely live and also punish them for being unable to effectively bring children into the world and raising them. What we need is affordable housing, accessible education and healthcare, and welfare, for a functional society

The issue is that kids take time and a secure home, the same things young people struggle to find for themselves. Unless we give young people more time (e.g. 4 day work week, longer parental leaves, easier access to childcare, etc.) and a secure nest (an affordable home, job security, decent salary, etc.) these societies are simply going to destroy themselves. No matter how many immigrants you want to bring to a country with a failing social model... because, if they properly integrate, they'll just have a similar birthrate after 1-2 generations. And if they don't integrate and continue having too many kids... then you have big social problems that make people *not* have kids.

@jbmurphy4

5 ай бұрын

We might have AI freeing up our time to have children in a generation or two but then a lower population would become desirable!

@clipkut4979

5 ай бұрын

@@jbmurphy4 Nope. The benefit of automation doesn't get passed on to the working class, it stays in the pockets of the company. Automation has already 10x productivity since the 70s, so technically we could have already afforded the workers to work less for the same money. But instead, we decided that all this benefit should go into the pockets of the shareholders and that's how we got billionaires, while everyone else worked just the same, if not harder doing new tasks that are not yet automated.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

@@jbmurphy4 How very naive. AI will result in people getting fired and poverty growing. And it will have no effect on the population exposion in the third world.

Interesting. Doesn't seem to explain Norway, though. We have very affordable and available child care, free education, scoring high on home labour sharing, strong worker rights and low unemployment. Yet, birth rate is about 1.5.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

Ban all dating apps and make a state run one. A long term relationship forming is 2 customers lost to the private firms. A long term relationship forming is 2 people voting for the programms continuation for a government branch.

@andrewharris3900

2 ай бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 tie the pension to the number of children you’ve had.

@dogood8750

Ай бұрын

I know this is a long time ago and I'll admit this is from Wikipedia but looking up Norwegian demographics on their the demographics of indigenous born Norwegians seemed pretty stable it's just foreign born migrants and their children that have declined significantly but something more nuanced would be a deeper dive

@siddharthgoyal4008

4 күн бұрын

​@@dogood8750 Norwegians are NOT stable. They look stable as people are living longer so in absolute terms population is not declining. If you look at actual number of kids Norwegians are also in perpetual decline.

Another social norm in many Mexican families is that the grandparents help out with childcare. My grandparents (and their siblings) took care of me and my cousins after school when we were little. Which kept our parents from having to pay for child care until we started getting hobbies. Social norms extend beyond just the immediate family in some cultures.

@july9566

9 ай бұрын

In Mexico we’re doing just fine jajaja

@auspiciouslywild

9 ай бұрын

Good point. In richer countries where people may have jobs that are less physically demanding, people are retiring later, and as the population gets older (due to having less kids) there’s a push to increase retirement age even further. We had kids quite late and yet my mother isn’t retired yet. She’s just about to, but then since she had me late, and I had kids late, I don’t think her energy level and health would’ve made it easy to take care of the kids. Kindergarten here is cheap and amazingly good though so I’m not complaining

@floridaman318

9 ай бұрын

Yes this is key. Ultimately it's not actually about money or wealth. It's the fact that the rich world tends be incredibly atomized and individualistic. There is no family cohesion, everybody is spread apart. People in the rich world don't know how to work together. We have all been duped into thinking we can do everything on our own as if we were all self sufficient ubermenschen.

@neocortex8198

9 ай бұрын

honestly old people have to work and thas a good example old folks that dont work or help out dont have a place in society

@erenkur3832

9 ай бұрын

Similar in Turkey, in big cities it is hard since they Migrate without their Parents. But in small cities, my grandparents took care of us, they had a house as a retirement investment but they were doing good with their income so lended the house to us, we need not pay for rent when I was young so. They lended us interest free money to buy our car and house. With familiy help my family were able to buy their houses etc early and send both children to universty etc. Since they both were working they only had two children but they could raise 4 if they want easily

Condoms and birth control changed everything. I don't think people necessarily wanted to have a lot of kids in the past. It was just a lot harder to prevent. People got horny, had sex, and accidents happened. Now it's much easier to prevent unplanned children.

@taemmate

9 ай бұрын

true also they had children to use them as workers on the farm etc

@taemmate

9 ай бұрын

one of my friends has 9 siblings. his mom did not want to give birth to him and try to kill him while he was still in her womb. she and her husband are uneducated people so they dont know birth control

@aSome1

9 ай бұрын

not only this one you've quoted, but lots of cultural changes, risks regarding relationships for men in general and liberal values drifting away from the traditional ones...it looks like it was properly planned to reduce the world's population by force, I mean, no one wants to live in a "planet wide Kowloon", for sure, but neither want we to live in a world with a "last generation of elders" and men afraid of dating/marrying due to laws regarding relationships (alimony check, pension checks in which men pay most of the part and go to jail in case of not doing so, divorce bills in which you literally have to "pay a fee" just because your marriage/life with your girlfriend didn't go as expected)...

@valerietaylor9615

9 ай бұрын

People had to have a lot of children in the past, because so many of them died before their fifth birthdays.

@worndown8280

9 ай бұрын

My grandmother had two kids. It wasnt difficult for them to plan it. On average American women, through most of American history have average around 3.1 children. Even during the early period they had more, but on average 3.1 children survived to adulthood.

Your grandmother def worked on that farm though.... Working class women have been working throughout history, esp those on farms. It's for a very short period during the mid 1900s that true housewifes existed anywhere else than in the high class.

When traveling in the Austrian Alps I noticed how three generations live in a single farmstead. Grandparents would raise the grandchildren, where the parents would work. This seems to be a hybrid between the poor economy / rich economy model explained in this video. Personally I am rather charmed by this model, although it will probably not survive modern developments.

@blueodum

9 ай бұрын

Notice also that most rich countries are highly urbanized, which increases the costs of raising children and often results in being isolated from extended family.

@klauspendl6950

7 ай бұрын

As someone who originated from the Austrian Alps (but an expat since a long time), I would add that this kind of co-living is in my view (still) much more frequent in agricultural families (which often have plenty of space in farmhouses which previously had rooms for many labourers). However, agriculture only represents 3.5 percent of e.g. the Austrian workforce, so I would say it is rather an outlier. Another reason may be that daycare for pre-school children is much more difficult to find in the (still more traditionalist) countryside than in towns, so this kind of three generational co-living can come in handy. That is IF there is available space, which for most families is lacking due to exorbitant property prices and rents (due to tourism and scarcity of land in valleys).

@n.m6249

6 ай бұрын

This model is why African people have big families

@unconventionalideas5683

5 ай бұрын

It works this way in China, when people there still have families. That’s becoming less common because of how screwed up the economy of China is and the severity of crime and pollution.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

Oh it will survive, this is how those who will be alive 50 years from now will be raised. The birthrate isnt high enough but among those who dont practice it it will be even lower.

As an Indian I have seen this happen first hand. My great grandfather had 13 children, my grandfather has 5 and am the only child of my parents. As India as gotten richer the number of children families have has drastically reduced.

@kappaprimus

9 ай бұрын

Always😂 my parents have like 10-15 first cousins while I have 4. My sister is my only sibling whereas both my parents have 2. And to Continue the trend, I plan to have no children😌👍

@qizhu6913

9 ай бұрын

However unfortunately India’s GDP per capita is still low and can’t be considered as rich country

@tylerclayton6081

9 ай бұрын

@@qizhu6913Yeah India is still a sh*thole but much richer than when I grew up there in the early 2000’s

@sidkings

9 ай бұрын

Does that include UP and Bihar? 😂 I think your situation is definitely true for middle class, but the poor continue to have kids in the hope of getting a boy (the child sex is not revealed to avoid female infanticide) as result some people can have multiple girls before they stop at a boy.

@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179

9 ай бұрын

@@qizhu6913 But that's the point, this guy's demographic musings are bunk. Everywhere in the Global South you are starting to see the same phenomenon of slower demographic growth after a boom. That demographic boom is increasingly looking like an aberration not a normal to world demographics. It's a good thing actually. Less resource depletion and pressure over Earth's environment. If you see these demographic alarmists the only problems they point are economic in nature. The reason is Capitalist economy is not compatible with demographic contraction just eternal expansion. These guys twist themselves into pretzels to explain away this reality and that is Capitalism what is not working anymore.

Child on a poor farm for centuries: An investment that will start to pay off as soon as halfway grown up, save retirement plan Child in a modern urban society: A liability that costs money, time and nerves

@samuelroselli138

9 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@muhammadhaque3448

9 ай бұрын

This is still a factor in poor countries. In the urban centres and cities, the same pattern is seen in the labor, house work class.

@sinoroman

9 ай бұрын

question is. did the Roman Republic have a birth crisis when farmers were bankrupted and forced to move into the city?

@luk0904

9 ай бұрын

@@Tracchofyre brilliant piece of history. Any books you can reccomend me on the matter?

@DudeWatIsThis

8 ай бұрын

And when the pensions system collapses eventually, my kids will take care of me, and you will be a starving, freezing old man.

I’m turning 30 this year, and I’m still wondering how I can afford to have children. Both my partner and I are middle-class income earners. Our student loan debt accounts for 10% of our total wages, 40% goes towards mortgage and auto loans. Grocery prices have increased by 20%. It may seem like we have 30% left, but unfortunately, we always need to pay for unexpected expenses like car repairs and house maintenance. I’m living paycheck to paycheck with no savings, and i don’t want my children to experience the same financial situation as we’re currently facing.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

Yesterday I turned 23 and Ive never even had a job. There just arent any in the area and Im completely unwilling to abandon the place my ancestors have lived for 1000s of years.

@TheTrooper1878

2 ай бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 You know online jobs exist, right?

Have them yourselves rich ladies!

Living in japan for quite a while as a european i can tell you their approach to this problem is - non existing. Its a fricking nursery home and having even birth is extremely expensive let alone all the expenses down the road. Zero support from government they are busy making sure everything is great for corporate and elderly - since elderly are their voter base. Everywhere. Atrocious, really. No work/life balance also doesn't help. They are dying out and they did it to themselves.

@Mark-in8ju

9 ай бұрын

White birthrates are below replacement level because of gynocentric divorce law and female economic empowerment. Now that divorce has catastrophic risk to a man’s wealth, men are avoiding marriage completely. When a woman has a career, she has few to no children. If you want to raise the white birthrate, these two obstacles must be removed. This means banning women from education and abolishing alimony and child support.

@henkvandervossen6616

9 ай бұрын

One wonders why many younger people just are not leaving Japan to find a better life elsewhere

@bealotcoolerifyoudid7217

9 ай бұрын

@@henkvandervossen6616 They are trained to be japanese every step of the way. The stranglehold of old traditional way of behaving is immense. You can really think of it as a religion. And they are (for the most part) discouraged to do this. And often told they are useless and could not make the leap. (Their confidence and personal dignity is taken away early and replaced by ranks, ego, artifice authorities. Their individuality is crushed at school. Traditions do the rest.) It is truly a society of old and decrepit traditions. (Its getting better now, but with their unwillingness to change its going to take another 100 years) Just awful.

@robertnomok9750

9 ай бұрын

@@henkvandervossen6616 They do. Japanese friend of my friend left Japan and married a guy from Turkey. But most japanese are timid. They cant and want look outside of the well. Parents, TV, goverment tell them to live as slaves. Just study and work. For god sake they have FEMALE\MALE ONLY universities let alone schools. Some young people have barely no chance to interact with opposite gender till 25+. And after that they have to work 6 days a week. No one including goverment wants you to have kids. Maternity leave? Prepare to insults and losing your job. Social welfare for children? Good luck.

@blueodum

9 ай бұрын

@@henkvandervossen6616 Japan is much more insular than Europe or North America, and it works both ways - Japanese mostly wish to live among other Japanese.

This may be a US-only perspective, or just something within my own friend group. But when it comes to childcare, I notice a difference in generations from my own experience. When I was growing up, my parents relied on my grandparents for childcare. Both sets. Full stop. What I have noticed now is that for those in my age group who are having kids, grandparents aren't as available. The grandparents are still working, or they are busy with their own lives. So that free resource isn't there anymore.

@demonicaxeman7264

9 ай бұрын

I'm an American and I married a British woman back in 2010 and I moved to the UK to be with her. I became a stepdad as she had a daughter. My wife's parents were very involved in my stepdaughter's life so it allowed me and my wife to have a date almost every week. in 2012, she decided to move to the US. When we got to the US with her and my stepdaughter, the whole support system collapsed. I had family, but they would never help with childcare. Because everything was about the child and lack of external family support, we went years without a date and eventually destroyed our marriage. To this day, I never want to get married again, let alone ever have another child.

@noeltaylor3594

9 ай бұрын

​@@demonicaxeman7264Damn, sorry to hear that.

@brazensmusings2738

9 ай бұрын

Exactly, its hard in my country to see old people, eyeing us like sheep to put out little ones every now and then to satisfy their hopes and desires... Yes, they are a massive support system. My cousins who have children (14 and counting) make use of them fully and they don't mind at all.

@impresionc

9 ай бұрын

In my case, my grandmother took care of me and my siblings after school while both my parents worked, having a child today is no longer so feasible, because my parents are still working, in addition to all the expenses involved in having a child. And the thought is emerging that it is not fair that elderly people who should rest in their old age have to take care of children.

@brazensmusings2738

9 ай бұрын

@@impresionc Yes, and that's the problem, the thoughts. We are turning overly individualistic and away from conventional humanistic desires in the pursuit of ever greater freedoms and time for ourselves rather than the family. Its a very narcissistic and self-centred approach to life without any expert or scientific basis. The collective has slowly been killed off. In fact, it has been turned into something demonic, as if communal and societal responsibilities and I dare say, restraints are draconic concepts. Essentially all this happened because we wanted less conflict in our lives so we opted for the economic systems to evolve without oversight. Allow them to fleece us, left, right and centre in exchange for the prospective prosperity they promised. Though it was short term. And now the stick to the carrot is so long that we are not trying to correct the transgression, instead clinging on to sustain what we have achieved. In the meantime, we found these values as worthy sacrifices. In some schools, it is thought that such was intended by the system. The thing is, as this happened in only couple of decades in the past, the human psyche and societal systems have not caught up nor will they. They are built on millennia worth of slow changes and maturity. That's why we talk about children, even if its a self induced one-child policy or no children at all. Both have very apparent negative outcomes as is known from the Chinese, Japanese and South Korean versions. But it does not stop us, because we are not enduring harsh consequences of it yet, though it will happen in my lifetime. Will see whether humanity will be as fast in recovering from it as it was fast in dropping time tested values. History though dictates that we will not endure until absolute catastrophe hits.

I live in the Southeastern US. My paternal grandma had 8 kids. My dad, aunts, and uncles from that side of the family each had between 3-5 kids each. I have three siblings. My older brother has 3 kids and my younger siblings are childless. In my culture, your extended family is your immediate family. My aunts, older cousins, and grandmother would take turn watching all of the kids in the family. At one point we lived in the same house or in the same neighborhood. My husband's family is large as well and has a similar dynamic. I'm pregnant with our first child. I would like to have 4 children. There are at least 10 different family members who will babysit for me once I return to work after maternity leave. I used to also babysit my nephew amd nieces if my mom or aunts were unavailable. I'm grateful and fortunate to have a large close-knit family. If I have grandkids, I will help my children out with childcare the same way my elders have helped me out. Gotta get our clan going and connected.

@jessicathompson236

4 ай бұрын

This exactly. Our families also say "my kids/our kids" about all of the kids in the families.

In Australia we used to have a "baby bonus" where the government would pay the mother $5000 per child. This ended on 1st July 2013 and in the days leading up to this policy cancellation doctors were inducing labour in the mothers to give birth to the child before this date, less the mothers miss out on the $5000 baby bonus. It was quite appalling really, but really showed how desperate parents/mother's are for money. I've got 1 child, and i can confidently say that we cannot afford another if we want to maintain that both parents have good and fulfilling careers, and simply more time to enjoy our lives. Daycare/childcare availability and affordability are also an issue here

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

"have good and fulfilling careers" Theres no such thing. Work is a means to an end. Nobody likes working. "Daycare/childcare availability and affordability are also an issue here" Doesnt matter. Why would you have children if you wont raise them?

Cost of life is the real issue. As a Canadian about to enter the job market I have no clue how I'm expected to ever be able to afford a house and two whole children, even if I get married and split costs.

@eliasGreek1982a

9 ай бұрын

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@algarve8287

9 ай бұрын

This is a typical first-world issue related to overthinking and rationalizing. I bet with you that an immigrant from a more traditional country (India, Africa, Middle East, ....) will have 2-3 children easily having a very basic or even lower salary than yours..Because if people in Canada can't have children, what should a Brazilian, Moroccan, or Indian say? So it's cultural in a first instance, unless you really can't buy them to eat or get dressed....And this is rarely the case!

@gc.96

9 ай бұрын

@@algarve8287 maybe he doesnt want to have children in poverty ? not everyone wants to struggle in order to have kids

@beautifullights8484

9 ай бұрын

@@algarve8287 You do realise it's completely possible to become homeless in Canada. It's not as if Africans don't understand finances.

@thedarkenigma3834

9 ай бұрын

"Canada" is not a real "country".

I'm Spanish and I can say that most people here don't have kids due to economical reasons. Housing unavailability and not being able to keep a home with one income are the main ones. You just can't expect youngsters living in a room to start building families.

@shatzco

9 ай бұрын

It's either Spanish or Vanish

@ivannipaidea970

9 ай бұрын

¿Tus padres lo tuvieron más fácil que tú para tener hijos?¿Y tus abuelos?¿Tus bisabuelos?¿Tus tatarabuelos?¿Tus tatatarabuelos? ¿Que país es más rico: España o el Congo?¿España o la India?¿Donde se tienen más hijos? En España, los que más hijos tienen son los nacionales o los inmigrantes?¿Quienes son los más ricos y quienes los más precarios? Con muchos matices pero mayor desarrollo = menor natalidad

@millevenon5853

9 ай бұрын

You guys can invite Latin immigrants who share your culture

@blueodum

9 ай бұрын

@@millevenon5853 Many are coming to Spain and many more will in the coming decades. They will replace the Spaniards who choose to emigrate, mostly to parts of Europe with lower unemployment.

@yucol5661

8 ай бұрын

@@ivannipaidea970si. Tus abuelos lo tuvieron más fácil. La gente en países pobres lo tiene más fácil. Ya que sus hijos no son tan caros. Pero si vives en España del día moderno (o hasta en una ciudad en el Congo) los padres normales quieren darle una mejor vida a sus hijos. Y eso es mucho más caro que tener un hijo en los años de tus abuelos y solo pagar ropa y comida. La situación de cientos de millones de padres hoy no es como la situación como la de abuelos que parieron para sacar trabajadores. Hoy en día se tiene hijos para quererlos y darles una mejor vida, no para sacarles provecho económico como tú propones

My largest issue with this topic is why it's even considered a problem in the first place. The human population can't grow exponentially forever, it's an inevitability that we'd decrease in population at some point in time. Increasing forever without end is unsustainable, this is just the natural course of things taking route.

@LJinx3

8 ай бұрын

This. From an environmental view, less people are great! Could our economies not adapt to no growth?

@shinichigojir12

8 ай бұрын

It’s a problem from government’s point of view. Discounting social security issues, As you become smaller, you also have less leverage in global negotiations.

@NapoleonTrotski

8 ай бұрын

In a way, yes, but you could also argue than slow decline or stability in population is the ideal goal. A brutal decline will occurs if you have only 1 child (or less) per women

@kellharris2491

8 ай бұрын

But that's what happens when nobody can afford to have kids. The government just wants more labor. It's wants should come second to what the people need.

@vittoriadesiderato9216

8 ай бұрын

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I live in Hong Kong. Had dinner with my girl friends in our 30s last night. The one with 2 kids said kindergarten alone for one kid already costs US13000/year. Rent costs US3000/month. This is why our birth rate is 0.8 which is the lowest in the world.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

If you cant afford kindergarden just take your kids to work. Its been done before, kindergardens where invented so children wouldnt be running arround the factory, if people have kids and have no choice but to bring their kids to work the company might increase wages or subsidize kindergardens.

I think a strong reason why East Asian and Southern European countries don't invest as much in childcare facilities is because they tend to have some of the highest life expectancies in the world, leading to elder care facilities being a more pressing matter. Also the social norms of these two cultures expect grandparents to play a MUCH more active role in childcare. Higher life expectancy means more healthy grandparents, which means less demand for institutional childcare programs, which means less government investment in such programs.

@alessiogiuffrida6172

9 ай бұрын

Italian here: you hit the point in full

@aleferrari227

9 ай бұрын

I'm also an Italian man and yes, what you wrote is true.

@TheValdevor

9 ай бұрын

I'm from Spain and u nailed 👌👌

@Speedy300

9 ай бұрын

Besides higher life expectancy, in Eastern cultures, family stay together and community helps with child rearing but in the West, it is about individualism and the nuclear family.

@robertleon4323

9 ай бұрын

​@@Speedy300The West is not the United States. I have only seen that individualistic lifestyle in the USA

I live in a poor region in Italy where the fertility rate per woman is close to 0 While I believe this can be attributed also to the mentality of some people who simply do not wish to raise a child, the main issue is that here young people simply can't find a job neither afford an house for themselves. I know people who already in their 50's are still paying the loan for the house they live in and generally young people still live with their parents in their 30's or just move abroad. Yesterday I was talking to a friend that suggested building more houses could make them more affordable as their price would decrease but I am not totally convinced, especially because with the extreme levels of bureaucracy and taxation there is very little incentive for entrepreneurship.

@MrMonkeybat

9 ай бұрын

You must mean below 1 you can't get a "fertility rate per woman below 0" unless they are sucking people into their wombs.

@LucasFernandez-fk8se

9 ай бұрын

If you get rid of the pension system eventually the old people will die, Italy won’t have debt from paying for their asses and you can buy homes again once they die 🤷‍♂️

@greenSTEMforall

9 ай бұрын

A fertility rate below zero would mean that the average woman kills someone else's kid and never gets pregnant. I think you meant to say the fertility rate is below two. The fertility rate is the average number of children that women have. How else could that go below zero?

@casteddu6740

9 ай бұрын

@@greenSTEMforall simply a lot of women just don't have children Most of the population is old people who already had children back in the days while the people that are in the age to have them today just won't, or in some cases move to other countries. I know the number is crazy but that's just how bad things are here

@duartesilva7907

9 ай бұрын

It can't be below zero.. you can say that is maybe less than 0.5 babies per woman but not negative babies per woman..

My take is that breeding aged people have fewer kids if we're _feeling_ poorer because every generation is getting poorer. It now takes two incomes to afford a house whereas generations ago it took only one. While productivity has increased and the pie is now larger it doesn't matter for the average young adult since the boomers and a few extremely wealthy people are scoffing down most of it. 'Poorer' countries are feeling richer every generation and this hope gives them motivation to have kids since their kids will be better off than they are.

Would love to hear about aging population’s impact on elderly care. Thank you!!

Portugal made all kindergartners/day care centres free recently. I'm no parent, but I think that, while it's a good step, it's not enough. Wages are incredibly low in Portugal. It doesn't really matter much if you get that specific cost reduced if you still can't afford the extra food costs, books, clothes, etc. that a child needs.

@Mpl3564

9 ай бұрын

They may be free, but they aren't easily available. There is a shortage of both institutions and staff.

@KiKfilms

9 ай бұрын

"Free" aka "funded from taxes you are forced to pay".

@thailux6494

9 ай бұрын

@@KiKfilms Americans don’t know the first thing about economies of scale and it shows. That’s quite an ignorant statement.

@KiKfilms

9 ай бұрын

@@thailux6494 Lol dude I am not even American. And I really don't know how being ignorant about basics of economy is not believing a fairy tale that government can give you anything for free.

@thailux6494

9 ай бұрын

@@KiKfilms it’s free at the point of use and a lot cheaper for society as a whole due to the bargaining power of government, degree of scale and universality of the operations and lack of interest in profit. No, it’s not the same having to pay out of your own pocket or letting the government do it for you. You’ll pay way more if you do it alone and the societal outcomes will be worse. That’s a major reason why we have “free” stuff in all developed countries. It makes no economic sense not to - and plus, advanced countries value human lives so we believe in taking care if one another, so there’s that. And this is not even considering all the externalities of having free to access services. Which come from increased producitivy to health of the population

A point to note is that India's fertility rate is 2.1 which is barely at the replacement level. And it is expected to go even further down as people have stopped marrying and having kids. The population of India will continue to rise as fewer people are dying due to an increase in life expectancy but after some decades India will witness a colossal decline in population once the boomers, Generation X, and millennials begin to die. For example - I am a single child to my parents and I am still unmarried (30M) and I have no plans to get married and have kids in the future.

@goncalocarneiro3043

9 ай бұрын

It is what Japan is facing now, pretty much. Many other countries will have this happen sooner or later in different intensities.

@shivaanrambally9611

9 ай бұрын

That's only for the developed areas, in rural parts the avg family size is still like 5-8 kids.

@aditya-ml6km

9 ай бұрын

@@shivaanrambally9611 The Indian average is 2.1 which includes urban and rural areas. Use your brain.

@m.s.8927

9 ай бұрын

In the case of India it will be more like in the western world, difficult but manageable. China and even more Korea are fucked

@mdaniel5384

9 ай бұрын

India's newborns this year will be as many as newborns in Americas (both North and South) + Europe + Russia + Australia + New Zealand and Oceania. If Bangladesh and Pakistan are added, it's even funnier.

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In America at one point, one man’s income was enough to provide for a family of 4. Now it’s one man with 2 jobs and a woman with one full time job to provide for a family of 4.

@antinatalistwitch111

9 ай бұрын

Does a system like that deserve for u to create more humans into it? No.

@MustraOrdo

9 ай бұрын

​@@antinatalistwitch111Preach. You don't give me the needed conditions to plant, I'll withhold my seed(s).

@danny-fu2zd

9 ай бұрын

Not familiar of four but three

@momchi98

9 ай бұрын

@@antinatalistwitch111 Absolutely not, my fellow antinatalist.

@WR-NC-ASPL

9 ай бұрын

Effect of feminism... feminism increased supply of workers and decreased their salary

The differences in Europe are not just about social policies but social attitudes: I live in France where it is considered normal for professional women to have 2 - 3 children AND to hold down their jobs thanks to generous and generalised child and after school care; I have close friends in Germany and have noticed the opposite: if you have children there seems to be more of an expectation that you be at home and raise them and not 'outsource' the task. Guess who has the higher birth rate?

@ANEEAMA

9 ай бұрын

Further, a lot of jobs are now becoming hybrid, thanks to COVID. So, women can manage both family and career if adequate support system is there. The IT and finance sectors are the best example. Further, lot of women don't want more than two children, not due to career. Bringing up a child is stressful once they start to go to school. There was no social media 50 years back. Even the child is not safe inside the home today.

@indrinita

9 ай бұрын

wow that's a great point! I live in Germany (but I'm Canadian) and they have incredibly regressive attitudes towards women, career and childcare here. I would have thought these attitudes would have been even worse in France, but it sounds like it's also counteracted by good and available child care. In many parts of Germany, childcare is almost impossible to access, partly because of reasons mentioned in the video (e.g. those working in childcare are paid very badly, and therefore there's not enough people working in this field).

@mam0lechinookclan607

9 ай бұрын

i never have noticed something like this in germany, most people send their kids very early into daycare. Daycare workers also get payed ok in comparison.

@lours6993

9 ай бұрын

@@mam0lechinookclan607 Not saying there is no day care there; I've just noticed a contrast with France in terms of attitudes towards raising children: France seems more open to a collective effort vs a more private effort, based on some observations.

@indrinita

9 ай бұрын

@@mam0lechinookclan607 I have lived all over Germany and the availability of childcare is highly variable as well as the salaries/wages of those working in childcare. Friends/family of mine who live in NE or northern Germany don't seem to have so much of an issue with finding affordable or even free childcare in a formalized setting. In contrast, in southern and especially SW Germany childcare costs significantly more (if you can even find a spot) and those working in publicly funded facilities are paid middling - as in not really well in comparison to the cost of living in those locations, but not necessarily minimum wage. But "not minimum wage" doesn't mean "good salary". In most parts of eastern Germany childcare is relatively affordable and decent quality, but this also has historical reasons. Perhaps in the part of Germany you live in and in your circle, people don't have issues with finding and using childcare and somehow some of the workers don't get paid the worst. But I've lived all over Germany, and I can definitely say this situation is highly variable depending on where you are. The most sexist attitudes towards career women using childcare tend to be where childcare is hardest to access and/or is most expensive. In many places there, I've heard some women be called "Rabenmutter", which is frankly ridiculous and outrageous. On top of it all, no matter which way you cut it, childcare workers are definitely not paid enough such that it's an attractive field for many young people to get into, so they don't.

The cost of living is too high to even have 1 kid. That's the main reason why birth rates are declining. Make living affordable for the working class and you'll see birth rates skyrocket.

Infinately more wise to compassionately deny a child existence than subject them to a brutal existence of uncertainty and instability. Not having kids is a no-brainer when one knows they are a job loss away from foodstamps, eviction, are crushed with student and consumer debt. Moreover the government subsidizes broke people to have children and men tend to want to mitigate this risk with women who don't desire a family.

It almost seems like you could simplify the theory to simply the opportunity costs for the women of having a child. Poor countries don't have much in opportunity costs because there's not much opportunity in the first place. Rich countries generally have more opportunities including future career opportunities, so there's more to lose by having kids. Thus those with more available childcare (whether institutional or shared social) can lower those costs and hence see better fertility rates.

@BigHenFor

9 ай бұрын

FYI The trade off in poor countries is a lower chance of surviving childbirth. Rural families have land and space if they are lucky, to house large families. As soon as they can migrate to the cities, the birthrate drops. As having lots of children in the city is actually an issue, as jobs and housing that make having lots of children possible is very expensive.

@YoutubeModeratorsSuckMyBalls

9 ай бұрын

Basically. Women in rich countries basically become a man, while men don't find them attractive and don't want to marry them

@rake483

9 ай бұрын

Many western countries are doing the opposite. They go for austerity and cut social programs like free child care. Then they complain about low fertility rate.

@RiskyDramaUploads

9 ай бұрын

You will find that poor countries have just as much inequality (meaning potential "opportunities") as rich countries. "List of countries by income equality" says that richest 10% in India make 8.6 times the poorest 10%, which is less than the 18.5 to 14.0 ratio in the US but higher than the 6.9 in Germany. So arguably, there is a higher (relative) opportunity cost from having children in India than in Germany.

@hainleysimpson1507

9 ай бұрын

But why do women complain about having to work nowadays and in their forties regret not having kids.

I am the father of two children. My wife would like a third. In my heart of hearts, I would too. But that is NOT going to happen. Why? We can barely afford to live. Basic expenses are too high. We don't earn enough on two incomes. School is expensive. And childcare is extortion. We're in the US, and to expect the "government" or private enterprise to do anything productive about it in the near future is futile.

@henkvandervossen6616

9 ай бұрын

I live nowadays mostly in Kenya as a retiree. To my astonishment and delight young(er) women seem eager to have me and my babies. Those children will grow up to be Europeans and will inherit a good future.

@konstantinrebrov675

9 ай бұрын

Why would you ever send your children to school? Just home school, educate your children by yourself. I know you can do it. It's the job of a father to educate his kids.

@selenazamora4133

9 ай бұрын

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9 ай бұрын

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9 ай бұрын

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Less people in the world can only ever be a good thing.

Thank you for demystifying this topic, best video on the subject that I've seen so far.

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In a world where both parents work, childcare is absolutely essential. Here in bulgaria the government has for 14 years not provided new kindergartens in the capital city, its absolutely untenable.

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@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

2 ай бұрын

If good people dont have children, than the world will become worse.

You're map needs to include Greece, Taiwan and Poland. They have a birth rate lower than mainland China. Tbf a lot of Western countries would probably be even lower if it wasn't for immigration.

@yytyytg

9 ай бұрын

​@@secretname4190immigrant increase fetility but decrease the quality of the citizen. Lot of them dont know how to function in a society which eventually led to disassemble of social struture.

@shaileshvaidya9865

9 ай бұрын

Greece is not rich country... they have huge debt per citizen and was saved by EU. Taiwan soon may become part of China.

@bader3677

9 ай бұрын

@@secretname4190 How?

@MoneyMacro

9 ай бұрын

Greece and Poland where quite a bit higher in my dataset.

@patrickmcclanahan2856

9 ай бұрын

@@yytyytgat least in America, immigrants are very high quality citizens. Much more so than the blue haired 350lb heroine shooting McDonald’s eating losers with no appreciation for their country that make up a lot of native born Americans

You didn't mention infant / child mortality. This was only conquered by vaccination and antibiotics in the 1950s. Prior to that the loss of one or more kids to disease was very common - in my own extended family two kids died in early childhood between 1930 and 1950 of what became preventable diseases before I was born.

@nicknickbon22

9 ай бұрын

One of the theory of the baby boom is actually that it was a pre modern medicine mentality in a modern medicine world: as soon as people realized that their children are not going to die, they stop making a lot of them.

@TalwinderDhillonTravels

9 ай бұрын

You are right but that’s not relevant to the topic of the video.

@thetrainhopper8992

9 ай бұрын

@@TalwinderDhillonTravels actually it is. Vaccinations and medication aren’t free everywhere nor was that common in the 50s. So it would have been a trade off to some people on quality vs quantity.

@Ajibolaa

9 ай бұрын

The boom was because of the horny soldiers returning from world war 2. Nothing more nothing less.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

9 ай бұрын

​@@thetrainhopper8992This factor is overstated because it fundamentally misrepresents how people, including poor people, think. It implicitly suggests that people have more kids as 'spares' i.e. just cos they're familiar with lots of children dying young in their communities, so they have more kids so that at least some of them will survive to adulthood. NO. This is a clear case of the economic numbers being completely divorced the actual people it's studying. Even among the poor, people don't have have kids as 'spares', and you'll see that if you ever talk to them or attend one of their funerals - they're just as devastated by the deaths of their kids as any other parent would be. They aren't having more kids just account for some of them dying, it's just normal in their context for people to have that many kids. I bet even the economists who promote this idea don't really mean to say the poor are heartless homo economicus types, but their models implicitly assume that just to simplify the messy reality of how actual humans are. Improved healthcare does tend to lower fertility, but firstly it's very hard to untangle that effect from all the other effects that tend to happen alongside that (like increased wealth and education), and secondly the effect is far more subtle and vague than the pithy summary 'quality vs quantity' tends to suggest to people.

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An issue I think about often is inflation. My grandma worked 8hrs a day as a single parent and raised 7 kids. My parents both worked my dad 8 hrs and my mom 12 as a nurse to raise 3 of us. The potatoes my grandma used to feed her family only required 8hrs a day as a single parent. But the potatoes to raise me and my siblings require 20hrs (would be 40hrs for 6 kids). The potatoes haven't changed but the cost to acquire them has, drastically. Which is weird because we're more advanced in farming and technology now which was supposed to reduce costs and increase yields through economies of scale, but the opposite has happened. Let's ditch the technology and go back to the old affordable ways. The majority of us are not benefiting from the new ways. What is inflation and who benefits from it? Where is it located exactly and why are we all so accepting of it. A practical discussion is required not textbook justifications, we don't live in textbooks.

@mohdshariq5814

9 ай бұрын

I agreed

@marcinski5201

9 ай бұрын

ITS TOOO MANY PEOPLE on Earth Stop believing in stupid propaganda

@johnbrown7911

9 ай бұрын

I was going to bring up the devaluing of the nations currency (inflation). My dad had 9 siblings, I have 3 siblings and amoungst us we have zero kids (we are all in our 30s).

@jaideepshekhar4621

9 ай бұрын

Inflation is because the rich are taking money from us. Earlier, they actually used to reinvest in the market. Not the case anymore.

@marcinski5201

9 ай бұрын

@@johnbrown7911 and somehow its 8 billion people in the world ... still remember "only" 6 billion

this could be a hard to swallow pill about why economic inequality is a factor in national security

@robertwright4906

9 ай бұрын

But how could you maintain a strong economy with half the workforce? The key to security in todays world is economic strength

@Eodbatman

9 ай бұрын

We had a super strong economy with half the workforce in the 50s and 60s. Wages were higher per worker because globalization hadn’t spread labor to lower income countries, women hadn’t entered the workforce en masse yet, etc. There are obviously trade offs for that, but median wages have been stagnant for quite some time, while the cost of essentials like housing, healthcare, and education have outpaced inflation.

@ndchunter5516

9 ай бұрын

​@@EodbatmanIt's funny that now that the supply in people is declining, instead of increasing wages (price), now suddenly there's a cry for changes...

@TheVideoIsLongEnough

9 ай бұрын

​@@Eodbatmanthis is just objectively wrong for a multitude of reasons

@conductingintomfoolery9163

9 ай бұрын

Because your citizens are more incentive to kill you then other nations

In the US, nothing will change as long as our politicians and their donors are doing well. There are extremely strong forces in this country working against any kind of social policies that would benefit average people. We pay the most of any country in the developed world for the worst healthcare. Childcare is so expensive, you actually save money by not working and watching the child yourself. Our nutrition is obscenely bad, our streets are dangerous for anyone outside a car, we have more guns than people leading to crazy amounts of shootings, we allow train companies to derail trains and poison communities, minimum wage hasn't been raised in 16 years and corporations have bought the government to make sure nothing improves. The USA is a hellhole, and if we want people to have kids then things need to improve.

phenomenal video, incredibly comprehensive and informative.

@MoneyMacro

9 ай бұрын

Thank you!! Very happy to hear that.

I think another factor that I almost never see discussed is _actual_ desire to have lots of children. As in, remove all the practical barriers and imagine everyone can have as many children as they might theoretically want - how many kids _do_ people want, on average? In the developed world at least, I imagine the average comes out between 2-3. I can't really imagine myself or anyone I know _wanting_ 4+ kids. Take that 2-3 and add in biological constraints and even in a world devoid of socio-economic troubles, you are still going to struggle to keep the _average_ children per woman above 2.1. Practically, to maintain an average above 2.1 you need quite a lot of people choosing to have large families.

@baronvonlimbourgh1716

9 ай бұрын

There will also be a substantial group that just rather has no children and spend their time traveling, maintaining an exciting social life or just having a more luxurious life with an early retirement by redirecting the resources needed to raise children to wealth creation. And i suspect that group also grows as a society grows wealthier. Jobs are not the only thing competing with having kids anymore. There is so much more easilly available to people now then ever before that also competes for that time, resources and attention.

@neznaboh

9 ай бұрын

I have noticed that parents that have more than 2-3 children are ones that have 3 daughters or sons and they just want to have both son and daughter so much that they dont mind having 4, 5 or more children.

@PoeticMachineDreams

9 ай бұрын

I've heard at least one anecdote of a woman who had two already moving to a country with much better social programs for kids, and ending up then pretty happy with four, without ever having thought of it before.

@lowwastehighmelanin

9 ай бұрын

I wanted 5 when I was younger. I have one. I was gonna have more but my current spouse will make a terrible coparent. I'm getting myself a dog instead. Maybe I'll foster or adopt later.

@abrvalg321

9 ай бұрын

If you live in a post industrial society, kids cost a lot, plus you have alternatives like social security and investments. If you live in an agrarian society, kids are your investment, relatively cheap and actually generate income since adolescence (if not earlier).

Most surprising thing in this video is that US dads are one of the most active in their children in the world. Not that I believed we are absent in our kids lives, but fathers from other countries aren't that active at all.

@MoneyMacro

9 ай бұрын

It surprised me as well to be honest

@Executioner9000

9 ай бұрын

As an American dad, I try to help a lot with the kids but I never realized the US was in the vanguard of this trend...

@DrumToTheBassWoop

9 ай бұрын

That's why America leads the way in technology. Stimulated minds from a young age.

@ahmadfrhan5265

9 ай бұрын

Number 1 right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@ahmadfrhan5265

9 ай бұрын

​@@DrumToTheBassWoop😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

thanks, good explaination

I knew the costs of living and for having children are disproportionally higher in rich countries (compared to how much richer the average people are), but I never considered education and helping in the household and in the family business as a factor. That's very interesting. As someone from a rich country I don't even consider these factors, all you hear when you hear the word "babies" is costs: a bigger house, education, clothing, food, etc.

Another very important issue is housing. For larger families you need bigger houses and not many can afford it.

@subcitizen2012

9 ай бұрын

Back in the times of the highest fertility rates people loved in huts or single unit Manhattan squats lol. The solution is more poverty and less space, pile everyone on top of each other.

@MoneyMacro

9 ай бұрын

The evidence for that was inconclusive in the studies I read... Which surprised me as well

@InnuendoXP

9 ай бұрын

I dunno about bigger houses so much as affordable houses & cost of housing as a proportion of income.

@wafercrackerjack880

9 ай бұрын

lol no you don't, you just need a big enough house. American houses are stupidly big.

@KingUnKaged

9 ай бұрын

Parents also need to plan with an eye towards paying for their kids houses in the same way they need to plan to pay for their educations since, in countries like Canada, buying a house without parental support is largely impossible.

0:23: 🌍 The population of rich countries is declining due to low fertility rates, threatening their economies and retirement systems. 4:24: 📚 As a society becomes wealthier, the cost of raising children increases, leading parents to have fewer children. 7:30: 📚 The compromise between quantity and quality of fertility is influenced by women's ability to balance family and career. 11:45: 📚 The difficulty for women in low fertility countries in Asia and Southern Europe to combine a career with a large family is attributed to the availability and cost of childcare, social norms regarding gender roles, and the time commitment required for parenting. 14:42: 💡 The low fertility rate in rich countries can be explained by a combination of insufficient social policies, restrictive social norms, and precarious labor markets. 18:27: 🌍 The world can be saved by implementing policies that support work-family balance and address the barriers to having more children. Recap by Tammy AI

@wafercrackerjack880

9 ай бұрын

"As a society becomes wealthier, the cost of raising children increase" What's odd with this is raising children in poorer countries is more expensive if you ratio down the income. I am from a poorer country and now living in a well developed economy country. All the people here complaint about how expensive it is to have a child when in fact I will be more comfortable to raise a child here than in my home country. More developed country people keep misleading themselves about this problem. It is not a matter of cost, but the unwillingness of people in more more developed countries to sacrifice their own leisure and luxuries that hinders them from raising children. Im not going to debate if that's right or wrong, I am jus here to point out how most western countries view this incorrectly.

@southcoastinventors6583

9 ай бұрын

Artificial wombs and medically induced life expectancy will easily crack this nut this is one of these problems that will look old fashion in a few decades

@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179

9 ай бұрын

@@southcoastinventors6583 That's disgusting and leads directly to totalitarianism. If you accept mass production of Humans in tubes what's to stop the people in charge of those programs of selecting or modifying those individuals created like that to better mold to market needs or whatever they wish? Commodification of human lives leads to a very dark path. Better manage economic degrowth. Human beings aren't a natural resource for government and corporations to exploit. If people is sick and tired of rising workers for Capitalists to exploit for free, that's their right.

@royalroyal2210

9 ай бұрын

​@@wafercrackerjack880very true! It's already rare to see even the top 100 richest people have 4+ childrens. Might i add, another reason is also because people from developed countries are becoming less hardy. What they perceived as stressful is not so for their poorer counterparts.

@wafercrackerjack880

9 ай бұрын

​@@royalroyal2210 Yes, I have seen this at home too. When you grow up well off, it's really harder to imagine or endure a more stressful life. I can totally empathize with my richer counterparts though, but still, I feel so blessed to have had hardships given to me at a younger age and so as I grow older, I am more happy and ready to face the realities of life. My wife and I have just found out she is pregnant and we couldnt be more excited to face the challenge of raising a well adjusted human being! Is it scary? Absolutely. But is it worthwhile not only at a spiritual and personal level but also on a societal level, there's no doubt in my mind it is.

There is nothing wrong with a shrinking population. Given that inflation will not be a problem, states can increase pension credits without worry.

Another great video, Quality did also improve over the last 2 years!! 🙏😎

What amazes me is not that people are having fewer children, to me that seems quite logical and not a bad thing, but that a lot of people seem to be opting out of having children entirely - which was something that was very rare in my parents (baby boomer) generation. I know loads of people in their 30s who simply are choosing not to have kids or will not because they didn’t have the right partner at the right time or they just thought they’d think about it later in life once they have a home and stable career.

@Ealsante

9 ай бұрын

Look around you. Look at the cost of living, the incoming and increasingly serious climate crisis, and the rampant and rising inequality. If you are a wage serf, your beloved child will likely be a serf too, if they haven't recreated slavery by the time your child has grown. If you love your child, why would you bring them into this? To be someone else's slave until they die?

@lightweightben

9 ай бұрын

@@Ealsante people have always pronounced coming doom and it’s never stopped people having kids in the past. Things are much better today than in most of all history - people live now like kings did in the past. The fact obesity is more of a problem than starvation is now tells you something. We’re better off the media just don’t like to tell you that

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

9 ай бұрын

@@lightweightben Well it's stopped people now from having kids, hasn't it LOL. You said nothing to counter what Ealsante said. So your argument is null and void.

@DavidVonR

9 ай бұрын

@@lightweightben Why is it amazing to you that people don't have kids? I'm 35, don't have kids, and I know lots of people in their 30s that don't have kids.

@lightweightben

9 ай бұрын

@@DavidVonR it’s amazing because it’s a historical aberration. Despite the world being better than it’s ever been by multiple objective measures people are choosing childlessness. I’d have thought there had never been a time better to have children than this era. However the difficulty in getting a home and security now compared to the recent past (particularly the boomer generation) is probably having an effect on people deciding to be (or delay such that they don’t have a choice) parents. I do agree that climate doom may be influencing people as well, but like I say the end is nigh is an age old trope.

I am from Spain and I am very shocked how this topic is never really discussed on political debates. Also my friends, who are most of them well above 30 and only one third of them have kids, don't seem to care. It's very discouraging.

@SweBeach2023

9 ай бұрын

Promoting Spaniards having children instead of importing millions of Africans is not a part of the major plan of turning Europe into an extension of the Middle East.

@thewhiteEagle

9 ай бұрын

Spain dads should have kids better than depend on immigration and instead of drinking alcohol they should focus on have kids and their families…

@alessioatta762

9 ай бұрын

Italy, same story here

@PlayWaves1

9 ай бұрын

Spain used that have an very high fertility rate centuries ago which is a big reason Latin America is so populated. I hope the culture changes and they start having more kids.

A very good addition to this topic. I have been following and fascinated by the low fertility rate in rich countries for many years. Thank you for very helpful video.

Decline in population is not a problem at all as we automate and increase our productivity without more people. Its only a problem for the ruling class having less people to rule over, thus less power.

@Slav4o911

9 ай бұрын

It's not even a problem for them, because more people is not equal to more power. India already is the most populous country in the world... but on the power level they are 6th or 7th.... and they also have very low power projection (which is something different from raw power). For example the Netherlands has a lot less population than India, but has more power projection. The same is valid for example for France in even more pronounced way, France is both more powerful and has more power projection than India.... with a lot less population. I took India for the examples because it's an extreme case, to show how "raw population" by itself doesn't automatically give you more power.

@middleagebrotips3454

9 ай бұрын

@@Slav4o911 I'm not talking about international power, but internally how many people you rule over.

People who grew up poor don't want to bring kids into an even poorer world than the one they grew up in. I watched the American Dream wither and die on the vine as the stable middle-class family my grandfather built crumbled into a ruined diaspora of lost people.

@BrotherHood-xh9sg

9 ай бұрын

Not even close, as a lot of poor people do have many children. So your entire mindset is wrong.

@yucol5661

8 ай бұрын

@@BrotherHood-xh9sgwhat are you basing this on? Your eyes? Cause that’s misleading. Sure “a lot” have many children. But how does that compare to most people? Even the poorest countries are seeing big falls in their population growth. Because the people there are richer, more educated, and want more for their children than their own parents or hard parents who had way more kids

@n.m6249

8 ай бұрын

@@BrotherHood-xh9sg exactly I'm from Africa and poor people have most children

@alastairhewitt380

6 ай бұрын

@@n.m6249 Yeah but it is not comparable because life is different there. Cost of living is a factor our standards of living and what we define as a healthy upbringing are different for better or worse. To be able afford what we consider healthy and modest is extremely expensive. The parameters are completely different

because there is a decline in living standards, in developed countries, many people do not commit to marriage for financial reasons, instead of fixing solutions to lower living standards in developed countries, developed country governments instead import cheap labor from poor and developing countries.

best channel i've seen that explains

Great video as always

I live in a developing country, my grandparents had 8 kids, my fathers had 4 children and now that im 35 years old i have decided not to have any kids at all, my reasons: the world is fcked up, racism, inequality, intolerance and hate are here to stay

My main issue with the "women working lowers fertility" hypothesis is both its metahistoric context and modern statistics. The "working women have less children" idea was created when both Feminism was at its peak and the idea that overpopulation was a threat to global food supply was mainstream, meaning that it was thought of as an idea to give praise to a movement that specifically wanted women to work more. The idea that "women work less in poor countries" is often false, in fact we have statistics from countries like Nigeria, Tanzania, Mali, Etc. in Tanzania fertility rates are lower than in Niger despite women working considerably less there. In fact, many high fertility countries have higher female labour force participation, including full time, than countries like those U.S.A. and here in the Netherlands. I'm not saying that it's not a factor, I just doubt that it's as big of a factor as many claim. Urbanisation basically explains way more than the female labour force participation hypothesis.

@leonardoleo5740

9 ай бұрын

Exaclty.

@truth-uncensored2426

9 ай бұрын

Nope, it's about female labor participation, even in Africa there's a clear correlation, in countries where women participate more in the workforce the fertility rate is lower and is falling faster.

@anastasia10017

9 ай бұрын

The more educated a woman is, the less children she has.

@robertnomok9750

9 ай бұрын

You dont understand what you are talking about. Working as a clerk in a supermarket 4 hours a day it not a real job. It still counts as "working women" but its not the same as woman working as construction engeneer, having a proper education and working 8-12 hours a day. How exactly you expect family to raise kids if both parents come home 7-8 PM when most kindergarders are already closed their doors? Their kids are already waiting in the police station and parents get sued for bad parenting.

First problem is beleiving any system can have infinite growth in a finite world. The second is beleiving that anyone wants to have kids when their incomes don't even take care of them when they are single. The third problem is lack of affordable starter housing, minimum 2 bedroom homes, are not being built in favor of bigger home size ventures and without adequate space people feel trapped and more stressed and no one wants to have a child while renting an apartment. Then we have the lack of time which means parents are constantly working and they have to put off having children or a parent has to willingly give up their career which most wont do because more money = more freedom of choice. Its why women dont want to go back to 1950's because having to beg your husband for money to buy groceries or hair dye or a nail job is degrading, and being forcefully tied to someone financially and can't escape when they are beating you behind closed doors is simply a no go. Fun fact the happiest demographic for women is single and childless and tend to live longer then their married counterparts, while men who are single tend to die earlier then their married counterparts.

@cad5017

8 ай бұрын

💯 correct it’s not affordable to have kids anymore and my husband and I never wanted to raise a child in a small apartment. And both of us have full time jobs and still can’t afford a house. So yeah WTF! 😬 But that’s okay we both came to with terms that we will NOT be having children and quite frankly WE ARE LOVING THE DINK LIFE!!

No discussion on immigration? That's a big one. South Korea and Japan have a strict immigration policy. USA and France have a very liberal policy and this affects the overall population growth

Something that was not mentioned is young unemployment. E.g., Spain is very high. This for, the Spanish leave parent homes after their 30, while biologicalfertility for women falls sharplyafter 35. This leaves women with a very small time window.

@alexgodeye3031

9 ай бұрын

Maybe parents should have less hangups about their adult children having sex and people shouldn't necessarily dismiss a partner for living with their parents.

@enderan27

9 ай бұрын

@@alexgodeye3031 Well I'm pretty sure that they have sex with people before their 30s. That is not the issue. The point is if as parent you want/can have a kid in the same place you grown up considering you have your parents and siblings. It just not enough space for a family of 8 in an apartment for 4 (considering each son/daughter has 2 kids in a family with two parents and two adult "children")

In the U.S. there is a lot of “informal” childcare like relatives and grandparents helping out, a “friend” watching a bunch of kids, or shady-ass daycares that are cheap. Also some parents just let their kids run wild and nobody watching them and you have these feral kids running around who don’t know right from wrong and commit disproportionate amount of crimes.

@comecorrect1

9 ай бұрын

I am from the US, you are right, about childcare and parenting. That's why logical-thinking people are deciding to have kids later in life once they are ready not by society's standards. It's actually quite empowering.

@g-rexsaurus794

9 ай бұрын

@@comecorrect1 >when they are ready If people are not ready to have kids when 95-99% of the human population throughout history was maybe that's on them and not "society".

Another aspect is how we become more mobile as economies grow. In cultures where people move away from family to other cities or countries for opportunities, we see that as a good economic move, with people earning more and raising the country's GDP. But that comes with the cost of losing family support from grandparents on starting a family.

A culture concerned more with "fun" and "self" is not appropriate for having or raising kids.

One thing that must be taken into account when looking at the US's highest fertility rates is the impact of immigration and inequality. The US manages to maintain a rate of 1.62 on average, but this average hides that while Latinos, Middle Easterners and Asians, poor, have 3-4 children on average, a middle class white American will have similar birth rates. from Japan and Korea. That is, immigration hides the very low birth rate of the natives, and this applies to France and several other rich countries that have adopted immigration as a method of combating the lack of manpower.

@--julian_

9 ай бұрын

the natives? the children of those people are natives to the US. the only true natives are the Native Americans

@josh2482

9 ай бұрын

One correction, the average asian american is wealthier than the average white american and they have similar birth rates.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

9 ай бұрын

​@@josh2482averege Indian not Asia. this data is misleading

@josh2482

9 ай бұрын

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa Not just Indian all South Asian, East Asian, and some South East Asian groups (like filipinos, their average household income is over 100k) out earn whites. Read the data again.

@dv4497

9 ай бұрын

The wonderful thing about American immigration is that once the child is born in the US, they are a native of the country. No ridiculous hoops to jump through.

I am surprised you did not mention inequality. Back in the 60's you was able to raise a family on 1 working class fulltime job. Today doing so on 2 working class fulltime jobs is not or only barely possible in many countries. When we look at studies from the US on why young women wait with having children, the one point that come up again and again is cost.

@nicknickbon22

9 ай бұрын

It’s the cost opportunity thing explained at the beginning of the video… why people comment replying the exact same things said in the video?

@LucasFernandez-fk8se

9 ай бұрын

@@nicknickbon22he said “muh woman job make me no want baby”. He didn’t detail that the cost of living is becoming untenable for young people. It used to be a 20 year old male could buy a house and raise 4 kids with his 19 year old wife. She’s fertile for 15 years and has plenty of ability to have children. By the 90s it started becoming harder to buy a home. It was a 26-30 year old homebuying duel income couple having 2-3 children instead of a single earner 20 year old having 3-5 children with his spouse. By 2023 it’s impossible for anyone young to buy. House prices doubled since Biden got into office and wages didn’t double

@nicknickbon22

9 ай бұрын

@@LucasFernandez-fk8se he said that in rich countries the cost to maintain a baby is much higher than in poor countries and that a baby is not much of an opportunity because it is the state to take care of you when you’re old through pensions. The housing cost is simply another child cost. Second of all, the us is not declining, so why talk about it anyway? The housing cost is a problem in few us cities and maybe in some European city of comparable size to major us cities (maybe in a country capital) but alone it doesn’t explain why you have a sharp decline in population in countries such as Italy and Spain. Anywhere, if you interested someone in the comments has linked some research linking housing cost and fertility rate, but again, the research seems to be focused on the us mostly.

@bristoled93

9 ай бұрын

Housing cost is still a problem in Spain and Italy, families can't afford housing costs so have less children.@@nicknickbon22

Well done great video education. Done this in college

Maginifico video sin duda. Muy claro y bien explicado, y agradezco los subtitulos para aquellos de otros idiomas y esos que estamos aprendiendo otras lenguas Me hubiera gustado que hubiesen tocado un poco de la situación en los paises mas pobres como los africanos o los de Asia central. Ademas de que en latam, la taza de crecimiento de numero de hijos y fertilidad empieza a declinar, sobretodo en los jovenes y las nuevas generaciones. Hubiera sido interesante ver el punto de vista y las razones de eso desde su punto de vista, pero aun asi, no le quita calidad ni la información tan trabajada y buena del video que nos expreso. De verdad le agradezco. Muchas gracias y ojala podamos ver mas videos asi de buenas. Good work, follow like that👍👍

People simply cannot afford it. You don't need to research for something that simple

Universe 25 comes to mind when I hear about population collapse. It's about priorities. I don't buy the idea that kids on the farm are necessarily a positive. It takes years to raise a kid to an age that he/she is able to effectively help on the farm. While that is happening the kid is sucking up money. Having kids takes sacrifice. You have to choose either you give money to kids or put it in yourself. Most people will not sacrifice their standard of living. Population collapse could lead to a lot of chaos and pain. As population gets older the health care most likely will become more expensive. Industries will suffer because of lower workforce and lower demand. As population collapses national debt will increase and it will be spread among less people. Some coutries will collapse under financial burden and with today's interconnected world it will ripple across the world. For example War in Ukraine had the possibility to create food shortages in many countries. Now imagine many countries collapsing at once. Also, there is a MIT program that predicts civilization collapse by about 2040 and apparently we are ahead of schedule.

1. Cost of buying and maintaining a home. When homes cost 10 times the annual salary of the average wage for a decent family home, why have more than one child and live with bickering and arguments over sharing a room? 2. Size of homes for larger families. Average home sizes are getting smaller as developers try to squeeze every penny they can put of buyers for the smallest possible footprint. Not only that, but homes are poorly designed and not laid out in a manner conducive to family life. 3. Cost and flexibility of childcare. Working hours for parents are 9-5; school is 9-3. One parent will often be working full time just to pay for childcare if they are low earners. If you are a shift worker, then good luck finding cover. 4. Cost of living. Food, energy, clothing and transport are all costing more. Activities and hobbies for children also cost more than they used to. Those swimming lessons, admission fees etc also have to be factored in not to mention the increased food bills. Who can afford to have more than two kids these days? I will also admit that as we grow more affluent, the definition of needs and wants changes but why should we look to downgrade our standard of living in the interests of producing more workers for business owners and companies to exploit?

@noneofyourbizness

9 ай бұрын

" Average home sizes are getting smaller as developers try to squeeze every penny"....that's true in the UK, not elsewhere (in fact it's the opposite in USA, Australia, Canada, NZ) Only true in UK because when EU introduced minimum floor space home sizes for new builds...tory refused* to adopt that policy or to introduce anything similar for our already badly undersized and over priced housing. *tory refused to adopt ALL EU policies that sought to improve the lot of the average person...likely because of its hopeless obsession with protecting corporate profits, no matter what the cost to the rest of the economy, the country, the vast majority of citizens... (who do productive work for a living, as opposed to those who derive all/most of their income from corporate handouts, aka: share dividends.)

@LucasFernandez-fk8se

9 ай бұрын

@@noneofyourbiznessit’s true in the US to some extent too. Smaller yards, narrower houses, smaller plans. American homes went down from a 2016 average of 2600 sqft (260 sqmt I think) to 2300 sqft (230 sqmt). They’ve also doubled in price in that time

«Practical research”😂

There was no mention of how immigration changes the picture for rich countries. I've heard that the US is in good shape demographic-wise due to the influx of young immigrants mainly from Central and South America. This influx of young people largely offsets the decline in the birthrate. True?

For starters governments could make state run dating apps, cos for private companies a long term relationship forming is 2 customers lost, while for the government a long term relationship forming is more future taxpayers being born.

One of the overlooked factor in deciding fertility is the people are not willing to lower their lifestyle to start a family.

@neocortex8198

9 ай бұрын

then maybe the solution is a childless tax that makes it more expensive to not have a family then to have a family

@bristoled93

9 ай бұрын

Or maybe make housing cheaper and build more housing so people don't waste so much on rent and mortgages and have space to start families. @@neocortex8198

@snorttroll4379

9 ай бұрын

I think the solution is alllowing cheap energy(fracking, oil etc. No co2 bs) and planning permission increase so housing can become cheaper

@sonapazderova2555

9 ай бұрын

However, that could lead to child neglect and abuse if people who don´t want children are forced to have children for finacial reasons.@@neocortex8198

@valemedina4473

9 ай бұрын

​@@neocortex8198 is already expensive to be childfree by itself, so a tax wouldnt help that much to people deciding to start families when in The first place they didnt had The mean for it.

Let’s not forget a sentinel event in the history of humanity, June 23, 1960, the oral contraceptive pill was approved in the US. 4 years later the baby boom ended.

Why is the Western Union the Western world now claiming to be worried about brith rate when why had spent so much years becoming O'mo and the disruption of the family life. And are now telling Africa that they need to be the same Gate men

Those who don't have children, don't cry when you see increase in migrants in your country, your governments is simply replacing the gap you don't want to fill.

The problem with day-care is that babies, toddlers, and young children need their mother. This is an inescapable reality born of our human nature.

@ANEEAMA

9 ай бұрын

Anyway, the child does not take mother to school or colleges. Most of the Asian kids are busy as they have 9 to 3 school, then extracurricular activities like gymnastics, sports, or physical exercise from 4 to 6, then study from 6 to 9 with tuition teacher.

@ANEEAMA

9 ай бұрын

An engaged busy child has less chance of social media influence.

@nicknickbon22

9 ай бұрын

There are cultures where the children are mostly raised by the community as a whole than the mother herself. And if you think about it, some very rich kids probably spend more time with a nanny or babysitter than with their parents.

@J_X999

9 ай бұрын

It's not a big deal. Low birth rates are worse than toddlers who didn't spend 9 hours a day with their mothers

@Soldadodelasombra

9 ай бұрын

​@@nicknickbon22and many of them came out broken as a ming vase

Scariest thing is this data is outdated. Even a behemoth like India has fallen below replacement rate. Things are looking dire.

How is it that this is even a question? It's now taking 3 incomes to manage a home in the rich world. Its financially unsustainable to make a three or more kids.

it appears that only the countries with no internet access are rising

My wife and I just welcomed our third kid. She's has a PhD and works in semiconductors while I am a stay at home dad. I'm an electrical engineer with a Masters degree, but we both wanted some parent to stay home and my wife makes more money. Everything in life is a trade off, some people just value having kids more.

@MoneyMacro

9 ай бұрын

Congratulations!!

@DF-wl8nj

9 ай бұрын

Incredible, your daughter was just born and she already has a PhD?

@christopherkragh-buetow5491

9 ай бұрын

​@@DF-wl8njlol, I was typing while feeding two of those kids and said wife. I see the typo now...

@TheLovescream

9 ай бұрын

Its easy to say that you value kids more than others with fewer children, when youre earning top percentile income

@beccangavin

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@TheLovescreamWell, I have some anecdotal evidence that contradicts that this is limited to top earners. I have family in Michigan and the men in that area have traditionally been employed in manufacturing. The share of our labor market participating in manufacturing has declined as has labor union participation which means that if you can find a job in manufacturing, you’re likely making less doing it than your parents or grandparents (relative to the cost of living, that is.). The jobs traditionally filled by women in the area did not experience the same decline. My father has two brothers and a sister. Among them, my father is the only one of the men with a job in manufacturing and his wife also had to work and they split the household duties while raising their two children. Uncle one has a part time job and raised his two daughters while his wife was the primary breadwinner. Uncle two has had no steady work for decades but he stayed at home and raised their four boys while his wife was the primary breadwinner. My aunt has a job at Walmart and her husband is too manly to do woman stuff so their two boys were raised by my grandparents while he pretended to be a trucker but really just sat on the couch drinking. My uncles could have focused on finding work and held their wives accountable for the household, but they chose not to. They sacrificed what additional income they could have generated (which would have been lesser than what their wives earned) and prioritized parenting their children. Except Uncle Bill who is still a loser. My dad even passed up a promotion so he wouldn’t miss being able to spend time with his children. The job promotion would have required him to travel and work weird hours. He couldn’t do it because he had to coach my little brother’s football team.

Something you really missed on for the US is that our high replacement rate isn't really driven out by dads being more helpful around the home but it also still provides a decent case study for your previous mentioning of socioeconomic status as a big indicator for reproductive rate. Most fertility in the US is driven by immigrants either directly replacing dying people or immigrant families having more children on average than citizen (or if we want to get more granular, it's broken up by race typically) where latin american families as a whole tend to have more kids than white families. It's expected that with time this will taper off as they further become integrated into the fabric of our society.

@conductingintomfoolery9163

9 ай бұрын

Really helpful when them and there children are even larger then old people

Here's a reason that nobody has thought of: • in Westernized societies, the association of reproduction has been separated from sexual activity, whereas in much of the world, sexual proliferation is still associated with propagating offspring. In the West, you can have sex for fun, premarital sex, extramarital sex, or even self-gratification (i.e. solo masturbation with or without pornography), all which can be done without the intent to reproduce (this is quite contrary to the biological understanding of sex: to propagate life). These acts are still considered taboo in the rest of the world. And its common culture in the West, a social norm to have multiple premarital non-reproductive sexual encounters. In non-Westernized societies, such sexual proliferation is not only taboo but discouraged or illegal (in most Islamic countries, doing it openly can get you in trouble with the authorities). So in these countries, if you want to relieve your instinctual sexual desires, you do it with the intent of producing children in marriage. And that drives people to get married very early when fertility and fecundity is high. Best analogies are: we in the West are very productive, but our produce is seedless watermelons (i.e. sex without viable fruit), or "tilling barren lands".

Also... rich countries(some) have offer free or subsidised education and child care but that didn't change anything

As someone who moved to America a long time ago, I can clearly see that more and more people are unmarried even at the age of 30 and above, both men and women. This is even true in deeply religious states like Alabama where I currently reside. Literally everyone in my social circle is hardcore Christians, yet they are all unmarried. Economic reasons aren't the main cause here, its more to do with social and cultural factors.

@SunseedStarchild

8 ай бұрын

If you don't mind my asking, what is your opinion on why hardcore Christians aren't marrying? Of all the demographics I figured they'd have the fewest issues finding partners and starting families, so your assessment is really surprising to me.

@Ghostrider-ul7xn

8 ай бұрын

@@SunseedStarchild My assessment is based on what I see here in Huntsville, AL where I live. There are many guys including women, who are not marrying, for reasons I can't fully pinpoint. What I do notice is that not only do people find it hard to find eligible dates, but the relationships they get into hardly last long enough to end up in marriages. One reason from what I've noticed is that many people now have unrealistically high standards than what they had in the past. Like, I know a guy in my social circle whose relationship ended within a month because the girl didn't like "his tone" about something..makes me wonder, have people become so uptight and intolerant of each others? Seems like it. I see people breaking up over trivial, silly reasons which can be talked over. My close friend has msged random girls on Facebook, tried christian dating apps, approached girls irl ( including where he works, and church) totalling to 900+ women over the span of 3 years, and he's still unmarried at the age of 29. He's your typical, conventionally attractive guy, close to 6 feet, makes close to 6 figures, charming, laidback personality, no debts, literally no flaws i can think of, but he can't find a relationship that ends in marriage. Its wild to me how people like him find it difficult to marry..by the way, are you aware of the fact that conservative states have a higher divorce rate than liberal states?

@kaymartin2807

8 ай бұрын

​@Ghostrider-ul7xn If the guy really is tall, attractive, makes good money and has a good personality, it is likely that he acts badly to those he dates, or approaches them in a creepy way, because no matter where you live, if you have all of those traits and have asked about 900 women out, then it's most certainly something wrong with you, actually, even if you were just completely average and asked 900 women out, you would have to have some serious flaws to not be able to keep a single one.

@Ghostrider-ul7xn

8 ай бұрын

@@kaymartin2807 I'm 99.9% positive its not his fault here, I'm his close friend, I know every single thing about him because he also shares all the screenshots of his approaches with me. In most cases, he gets ghosted at the texting stage eventhough there's absolutely NOTHING creepy in his interactions. Dude, he's a hardcore christian, how could you possibly draw the conclusion that there could be something 'creepy' in his interactions? That doesn't add up even if you don't know the person. I haven't seen or heard him say anything sexual or weird even in real life that could come off as creepy. He follows the Bible to a T. Note that I said "most" cases, there are those few cases where he goes on dates after some interactions ( using the same template and approach, so you can't really argue that there's something creepy in his approaches), but by the end of first or second, he rejects them on the grounds of not following some of his biblical principles. Those principles are his ONLY dealbreakers. But if you want to compare the "no"s he gets vs the "no"s he gives, that's like 95% vs 5%, that's the key difference in this conversation here. Besides, this isn't just about him. As I mentioned, there are many others in our social circle who are very similar in his stats but are still single. There's another guy who is literally a millionaire and unmarried at 40. That dude already gave up.

@SunseedStarchild

8 ай бұрын

@@Ghostrider-ul7xn I wasn't aware that conservative states had higher divorce rates, that's genuinely fascinating. I'll have to look into that, thanks for letting me know! To sum up what I gathered from your assessment, it sounds like the Christian sphere is suffering from issues with expectations and communication (the same thing we're all having issues with regardless of how we identify), which makes sense all things considered. Thanks for your input!