The Miranda class is the Ford Taurus of Starfleet's rental car fleet. It's the outdated, unloved workhorse that nobody likes but gets you where you need to go.

@bear8696

9 ай бұрын

and can carry your golf clubs and shotguns. my dad loved that car

@stevenscott2136

9 ай бұрын

​@@bear8696 Sounds like your dad golfed at a pretty tough country club. 😁

@Lazarus1095

9 ай бұрын

I used to own a Ford Taurus. Everything about what you just said is correct except for the last half of that last sentence.

@bear8696

9 ай бұрын

trap shooting

@valor1omega

9 ай бұрын

The Miranda is one of the best ships in the fleet. Giver her the Lakota refit and she would tear apart the pathic defiant.

A Miranda class with a cadet crew can take out a Borg cube. Its is obviously the best.

@A407RAC

9 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity where is this from? I'm too distracted by the cadet crew of the Valiant xD

@Blasted2Oblivion

9 ай бұрын

@@A407RAC Star Trek Online. You start off as a cadet on board a Miranda class and I believe it's the first mission, the command crew is killed leaving you in charge to fight a borg cube with no other ships.

@rotimika

9 ай бұрын

@@Blasted2Oblivion nah ds9 first episode Miranda take out in minutes

Miranda Class has been and always will be my favorite ship class.

Let's not forgot the unsung heroes of the Oberth class. These brave crews do the work that no one else wants... which is serving on an Oberth class death tra- i mean starship.

@warwolf88

3 ай бұрын

it definitely is not made with explodium😂

I've re-watched that ending scene in lower decks so many times. Honestly, I would love to know what Starfleet Command thought of their entire B-team fleet suddenly warping to one location to take part in a life or death battle with an insane prototype bird of prey. 'They did WHAT?'😆😆😆

I see the Miranda class ships as the cheap, easy and quick to build main ships of Star Fleet. Like you said the work horse of the fleet. With a modular design that allows the Mirandas to be fitted out in any way Star Fleet deems necessary. They are the "most bang for the buck" type ships that can do just about anything. Sure the Constitutions, Exceliors, Galaxies and Sovereigns are more powerful, but they serve a much different role and quite a bit more costly to build and maintain, meaning only so many can be built. Mirandas and Californias on the other hand can be built in droves and are like a cross between a Fletcher class destroyer and Cleveland class light cruiser. The U.S. Navy built 175 Fletcher class destroyers during the World War II, because it was a good platform, fast, heavily armed for a destroyer and tough. The Mirandas seem to be more heavily armed than a Federation type destroyer, and are capable of sailing without needing to be in a squadron or with an escort, but deploy these ships in a squadron, and they are force to be reckoned with. The Miranda is one of my top 3 ships of Star Fleet, the Constitution refits being #1 and the Sovereign class being #2. Never been a fan of Galaxy class, it looks horribly unbalanced and ungainly to me. The Californias are silly looking to me, and that's all I have to say about that.

I totally agree, I think the Miranda's are very underrated!

@angelbabycards3595

9 ай бұрын

Problem is: Miranda Class Ships, would only be able to gain an advantage if they were to attack en masse' However, and as per Series Cannon: *Miranda Ships were typically quickly destroyed, ..or severely damaged when taking on Adversaries that would Even Make a 'Far More Powerful Galaxy Class Enterprise Blink.' ..Okay, goodnight. Jolan tru \\//

@And_Zo

9 ай бұрын

@@angelbabycards3595 I hear you, I think Starfleet was winding them down and sending them to surplus depots (as seen in unification 1+2) and quickly reactivated for the war, could they have used the same or similar warp cores as the defiant or newer but similar sized ships if they had time to install? Possibly 😁

In my head canon. The Miranda class was a replacement for the Walker, Nimitz, Malachowski, and Magee class ships. As those Discovery era starship classes proved to be hopelessly outmatched in combat during the Klingon - Federation war of 2256. The Miranda was a smaller, yet streamlined battle capable cruiser that would punch above it's weight against Klingon and later on, Romulan threats. Basically, the "Defiant" (DS9) of the 23rd century.

A good light cruiser is vital for any navy, as my time playing naval war games has taught me. Capital ships and heavy cruisers may bring the big guns, but they can't be everywhere at once; while small craft don't have the staying power or range for extended patrols. The light cruiser fills the niche of the patrol ship and general support vessal on a budget.

@mikespangler98

9 ай бұрын

From Wikipedia's definition of a light cruiser; "While lighter and smaller than other contemporary ships they were still true cruisers, retaining the extended radius of action and self-sufficiency to act independently around the world. Through their history they served in a variety of roles, primarily as convoy escorts and destroyer command ships, but also as scouts and fleet support vessels for battle fleets."

the Miranda class is always one of my favorites due to its looks, its function, and how it's like Swiss army knife, also Royal Squadron anyone? in my opinion it is really underrated

i liked the look of the miranda and nebula

Of course. we are all one big, happy fleet!

To sum up...Starfleet is really only as strong as it's weakest link. Their mightiest of ships that are praised and glorified, wouldn't have their legacy live on without the support of ships like the Miranda and Cali. And honestly, I'd love to have seen more of those support vessels, assuming they even existed, from around the TOS era and the Lost era. Designs that the Miranda and, to an extent, the Oberth probably beat out or outright replaced. We got to see lower deckers from other races, an episode covering another time would be cool.

@kaitlyn__L

9 ай бұрын

They had some very brief appearances in Disco S2 and SNW (not sure if the Farragut was the same type of ship as the two which towed the Enterprise, but they both follow the Miranda in design plan). Would like to see them more fleshed out.

I love me my workhorse ships of Starfleet. The Miranda is my #1 favorite ship, because it's a ship that isn't designed to be the best, but it's "GOOD" at doing the stuff that other ship aren't around to do. It does the stuff that needs to be done, and still packs a punch. You don't get a ship with over 100+ years of service that isn't doing something right when they made it.

What about in that massive mid 25th century war of attrition, where California class ships had _minor refits_ to turn them into front line combat ships? A roll bar with torpedo launchers and a War canoe attached under the Saucer.

@rbdaviesTB3

9 ай бұрын

I really want to see this. Can someone model this?

The biggest issue I have with the California-class is crew size. Mirandas in the 24th century operated with crews of less than 3 dozen. California-class ships operated with ten times that. If they're meant for specialist missions, they wouldn't need such a huge crew to meat every contingency. The only excuse I can see is if they're meant as out-of-Academy training vessels.

@_Muzolf

Ай бұрын

For on job training and providing a place for Starfleet personell who are kinda like active reservists, i could easily see that being a thing. I would be willing to bet that many in Starfleet saw the Dominion war as a wake-up call, and intentionally expanded their numbers with whatever excuse they could find. After all, with replicator technology, shipyards could probably spit out new warships quickly if needed, but training capable crew takes more time, so why not expand the "support role" a bit for peace time, and even those B-team crews would be better when the next wake-up call happens as having to push inexperienced civilians into the role.

the miranda outguns the constitution, the excelsior outguns the miranda and not to mention it way outguns the constitution. the t6 variants of the miranda in sto are top notch

As you have seen on Twitter numerous times... We PERSONALLY tow the line for the Cali class ALL DAY LONG! One of our favorite designs! It fits RIGHT where it's needed and does it's job admirably!

@nitehawk86

9 ай бұрын

*toe the line Tow the line would be done with a tractor beam, which I bet Cali class does more towing of other vessels than the other way around. :)

Team Miranda all the way fell in love with this class in wrath of Kahn

I've loved the Miranda Class since '82 when TWOK came out.

Miranda class. if it didn't always have last generation shields and phasers could have been a contender from st ng onwards. as it is the fleet will always need more of them

The Miranda, Connie, and oberth are my favorite ships. Now if only lore could see the oberth as what she was intended for and like the unarmed US navel scientific aircraft, it was for science research.

They even had Miranda Class at the Battle toread take Ds9 even though most of them got Wipe Out.

I may not like the cali class but thanks Lore for giving lower decks a fair shake.

The Miranda is my absolute favorite class of ships.

One of your best videos @Lorereloaded

The Miranda class has always been my favorite Startrek ship.

@kanetombs1275

9 ай бұрын

My second pick is Starfleets space canoe.

I think the Miranda class is very overlooked. It's honestly not given the credit it deserves

@albatani27

3 ай бұрын

Agree 100%

I would like the California class more if it was just the one neck to the stardrive section, which then connects to the nacelles like the enterprise

Half my impression of the Miranda comes from Star Trek Starfleet command 1 and 2. To me the Miranda was always an extremely well built, more streamlined ship. A light cruiser that could go toe to toe with larger ships of its own era and win. A type which ones extended service record was a testament to just how well designed it had to be. Sure, they were being blown up left and right in the Dominion war, but what do you expect when you had to push aged veterans into service, because you needed to fill the ranks, and the only ones still capable of putting up a fight were those who were likely way over their original intended service time.

Excelsior mafia 😂 with the Miranda wise guys

@RusticFederalist

9 ай бұрын

shiny and chrome

Always loved the Miranda class... couldnt you have mixed up its footage a little, though?

Mirandas, maybe depending on your source, is *THE* longest serving class in starfleet.

Yes they are the Miranda is the type of ship that meets any purpose, boarder patrol send a Miranda, need a research vessel Miranda, need a ship blown up MIRANDA. And the California Class, "the Pakleds are invading," Send a California that will confuse them long enough to screw it up. Because as Gowron once said, "they are Pakled"

They don't have a deflector is my issue. But then again alien ships don't seem to have them either. Bird of Prey is really Bird of Pray. This is one of many Star Trek science that is not consistent. The basic science is the saucer is round because it is the most efficient method for generating artificial gravity. Other methods are less efficient. There are two warp nacelles because they work like antennas with alternating polar opposites or like poles of an electro magnet, like a magnetohydrodynamic drive. There is a deflector to detect and repel space dust, as we all know a grain of dust traveling at high enough relative speeds can leave some serious pock marks on your vehicle.

Like in any large organization, it's the little guys at the bottom who do all the work.. and receive little of the glory. Without them though, there is no organization.

Rather surprised they didn't just do a Federation series yet, with the fleet as background rather than center stage.

i love the miranda class its not as gloried as other classes but without it the federation would be alot different 😊

Galaxycels seething over Californiachads

If i had to choose a class to be posted to it would be a Galaxy class but I've always had a sweet spot for the Miranda and Excelsior.

As a native of California I like this class

The Miranda Class is a great class of ship

Didnt someone recently took the Miranda 3D model and compared to a 3D model of the Constitution and found out the Miranda has actually more volume? (wich would make the Miranda a slighty larger ship in a more compact configuration)

My favorite is the Nova Class.

Pretty sure the Miranda was either a light cruiser or a destroyer. In the early years of a service the Miranda was definitely not an explodium special.

Miranda Class = T-72B3M California Class = T-80BVM They are basically workhorse ships doing the nitty gritty which most of us are not assed about!

Other then the Oberth I thought THAT woulda been the Defiants, Sovereigns, Intrepids an apparently the "exotics" like Prometheus an that weird time SF ship thing we hear quite a bit about every now an then but never ACTUALLY see in it's entirety or in action beyond sending "x" character in that time travel episode to do that one plot thing.

you being right about tuvix is now a cannon event. janeway straight up murdered him.

@stevenscott2136

9 ай бұрын

Well, I genuinely believe Janeway was insane. One day she wants to make a good impression on everyone, the next day she's blasting her way through alien territory just to shave a day off the trip. She probably feels really bad about Tuvix half the time!

@LoreReloaded

9 ай бұрын

Have I missed an episode that proves me right?

@zealotmaster1

9 ай бұрын

@@LoreReloaded first ep of lower decks, everyone say: she straight up killed him!

@LoreReloaded

9 ай бұрын

@@zealotmaster1 new season?

@zealotmaster1

9 ай бұрын

@@LoreReloaded yup

The Miranda's and Cali class's. Starfleet's red shirts of the fleet. I like the design of the Miranda Class. As for the Cali class? Still needs to grow on me. I hate where the put the registry and name on this class. It needs to be in the proper place at the front. Not back.

@rbdaviesTB3

9 ай бұрын

The amusing thing is that the showrunners did that intentionally to reflect the ship's status - as a support ship it would often spend a lot of time towing other vessels, so they put the name and registry on the rear of the saucer where the vessel being towed could see it :D

The California class is versatile and ugly. At least the Miranda isn't hideous. 😂

Bwahahah, I agree with the video, butt I can't wait for the flame wars in the comments!!!

Miranda class 4 lyfe

Miranda class the Toyota Camry of Starfleet. California class the Chevy Spark

@gaelan2393

9 ай бұрын

I was. actually jumping to the comments to call the Miranda the Toyota Corolla, so same basic sentiment, i was just reservong Camry for the excelsior class...similar sticking power and reliability (eventually ) but it's roomier.

what is up with the aspect ratio ?

was the california class made for STLD?

@rbdaviesTB3

9 ай бұрын

Yup

Why do you think Jeeps where so popular and loved for after WWII

Toyota Hilux of space. Need guns strap it back, need sensors no problem . Need to swap parts, no problem mount points everywhere. I always liked stubby ship designs. Quicker to build, repair, upgrade or abandon if needed.

They're no more relevant to Starfleet than Destroyers and Cruisers in today's naval services. Jack of all trades that can be used in any Task Force but in the grand scheme of things, there are others that can do what it does but on a grander scale, think carriers and ballistic missile submarines.

@michaelsutherland5848

9 ай бұрын

No aircraft carrier would survive without the destroyers, cruisers, subs, and transports that surround and support it.

@icecold9511

9 ай бұрын

Missile subs only perform one job. Hide until needed.

Comedy often fails to land in Star Trek. Usually because the writers don’t think about the consequences of the joke. Of course, they also don’t think about the consequences of anything else, so maybe it all works out. I do think lower decks has been low key a great show place for ideas that Star Trek needs to work with.

I rather be on a Gaxly Class.....

The Miranda looks like a cool ship. The California one looks dumb and wins wars by being so dumb looking, no one wants to kill it because adding that tally to the hull would make it look dumb.

STARCRAFT REMASTERED!!! STARCRAFT REMASTERED!!!! This time. ZERG, ZERG, ZERG, ZERG, ZERG!!!!! STARCRAFT REMASTERED!!! STARCRAFT REMASTERED!!!! After that, PROTOSS, PROTOSS, PROTOSS, PROTOSS!! PLEASE ALSO DO STARCRAFT 2, The ENTIRE TRILOGY

As far as the California class, it is a boring looking ship. It's design is basic and of course I'm assuming that it's made that way for production speed. Take a saucer section from any ship in the mothball fleet, rewire the whole saucer section and put new modern day consoles in it slap a couple Warp Nacells under it and that's it California class

@Mythantor

9 ай бұрын

Probably Less take old hulls than take old designs. Nothing cutting edge, everything designed for simplicity and easy of manufacture/ maintanence. The Saucer section is a standard design I guess the federation had shipyards set up to build in bulk and the Nacells are of the most basic pattern that still meets modern regulations/ requirements. So basically a Federation starship rendered down to its most basic form with all the bells and whistles removed.

@CaptShriver

9 ай бұрын

@@Mythantor yeah I bet at the federation supply depots for ship building. They have saucer sections piled like frisbees would be on top of each other. That's how many they got loads of them cuz they're easy to stack and easy to make easy to store

@kaitlyn__L

9 ай бұрын

@@CaptShriverthat’s why the Jupiter-station type space station exists as well! (And as seen in Picard S3, there’s variants with even more saucers stuck together than the one in orbit of Jupiter.)

@CaptShriver

9 ай бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L oh yeah you got a great point. My question to you though is what happened with Jupiter station in the card season 3. When the board cube, should we call it a hypercube or a mega cube? I don't know anyway, but it was massive. I wonder if the board didn't assimilate Jupiter station or just destroy it because there is no way unless they somehow block their signature and all the satellites with cameras in them that are orbiting Jupiter in the days of the federation I just don't understand how Jeepers station didn't pick that up and I'm sure there's any number of reasons, but you think that they would have wrote something about that into the show. But anyway, season 3 of Picard is the salvation of Star Trek discovery. A joke. Strange new worlds. Still up in the air for me. Singing opera and Star Trek that's just not Star Trek. It's just I get it. It was an anomaly out there but still but anyway and the first two seasons of Picard and absolute disgrace I felt violated by discovery and I felt violated by the first two seasons of Picard. When it comes to what I had to watch I just felt like it was abuse

The Miranda is better looking

Yeager is best. Constellation and Defiant are the most sensible. All these pale in comparison to the valiant Kamikaze Hidekis.

*Ships, not ship's

Love the Miranda, still haven't found a liking for the California...

I love how the cali class is star flieet (which is super progressive) and the texas class is angry violent and homicidal. Like current texas's leadership and ruling political party. Then a quadrople plus, the cali class wins the day woot woot

The Miranda class ships are great workhorse ships! The California class has an illogical design IMO.

The Miranda has style. The California class was intentionally designed to be kind of a joke...

BOOOOOO.... *grabs a tomato to throw.. but loves tomatoes.... keeps Tomato*

Ew lower decks