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@RobleViejo

Жыл бұрын

The Right is Individualist, the Left is Collectivist. No need to explain anything else, that's all there is to it.

I used to think that I, and my lefty friends were all so tolerant and open minded. I found out the truth when I disagreed with them.

@phaerion9142

4 жыл бұрын

Leftism is about feeling good, gratification, agreeing with other feel good minded people, that is why is so easy and automatic to be a leftist, principles and morals are a burden, hard to keep up, they require extra effort, doing exactly what you want without consequences or flinching is a child's dream and a civilization's bane.

@jamesgibson2179

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Moore Freud was a complete and utter charlatan.

@robertmcmillan3638

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesgibson2179 Yeah, Sigmund Freud was an utter, UTTER, disgrace of a man that should be airbrushed from history, NOT celebrated.

@mattygino

4 жыл бұрын

It's not about left and right, it's about tolerent and intolorent people, and you can find both types on either end of the political divide. I myself am on the left on most political positions and I absolutely love having disscussions with people on the right; I enjoy hearing their perspectives and I try to understand/empathise with their positions, as do many of my other left wing friends. It's easy just to put everyone on the left into one big box and stick a label on it saying intolorence, but life isn't as simple as that.

@mattygino

4 жыл бұрын

@Ulf ViKings I agree with your overall point that majority of de-platformers are on the left, but I do however think that it's unfortunate that many reasonable people on the left such as myself who believe in the more traditional left wing values of liberty and free speech can sometimes feel that they have been put in the same box as people on the same political divide who hold more anti-liberal values. The way I like to see it is similar to the political compass, have you taken the test? There are 2 axis Left/Right and Liberal/Autoritarian, and an individual can exist anywhere along those 2 axis.

“The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny doesn't know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.” ― Thomas Sowell

@richjjones86

4 жыл бұрын

The culture war is already with us ;)

@Rdruhl

4 жыл бұрын

CS_FL Right on target

@sweydert

4 жыл бұрын

Truth bomb.

@robertr9689

4 жыл бұрын

"When one is thinking , that necessarily means that one is not feeling. Feeling and thinking are mutually exclusive." --- Robert R

@joekurtz8303

4 жыл бұрын

You learn something every day if you look/ search👍

‘You cannot debate with someone who despises you’….excellent and concise description of the the current state of political and social discourse

@jimsykes6843

Жыл бұрын

Get rid of the guns and maybe we can have a real debate.

@Korum211

Жыл бұрын

@@jimsykes6843 Welp, guess were not having a debate then. After all, you lot cant get rid of drugs let alone guns.

@TheManofthecross

7 ай бұрын

by words no. by lead steel and iron yes you can debate someone who despises you by that approach.

@piesho

7 ай бұрын

"I actively dislike you" Peter Hitchens to Alex O'Connor.

@donothingMTIAMG

2 ай бұрын

​@@jimsykes6843 Try to use your 🫛 🧠 please 🤗

Peter nailed this one on the head. 5 years later and more true than ever.

@jladams85

8 ай бұрын

@@garygjl9036 "woke" is the left. It's the epitome of idiocy & ignorance 💯

"I might be wrong" is the beginning of wisdom.

@HungryTacoBoy

3 жыл бұрын

"I might be wrong" *Radiohead intensifies*

@chaoscore09

3 жыл бұрын

The fear of God is the equivalent

@anonymous_4276

3 жыл бұрын

Tell that to religious people. Replace the word left here with "Christian" or "Muslim" and everything still makes sense. Ones in power impose their ideas. This is natural. Earlier Christians did it in the West, now someone else is trying. Why would someone even want political power if they don't want to change anything?

@chaoscore09

3 жыл бұрын

@@anonymous_4276 it takes a lot more faith to be an athiest.

@anonymous_4276

3 жыл бұрын

@@chaoscore09 give an argument if you wish to support that statement.

2:48 - “You can not really debate against anybody who despises you.” - Peter Hitchens Now that's a lesson I wish I had learned when I was very much younger.

@icestationzebra8636

2 жыл бұрын

I wish our “leaders” on the right would realize this!

@Phasma6969

2 жыл бұрын

Contempt is the most toxic of emotions.

@mpg3946

2 жыл бұрын

It’s funny because Hitchens despises everyone who disagrees with him.

@BarakIII

2 жыл бұрын

@@mpg3946 Have any proof of that besides your own biases? I don't know much about him but from what I've seen of him I've seen no indication of this.

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, because Trumpers LOVE everyone. Are you conservatives all living in a time warp? How is it not emotional and irrational to pretend the last six years never happened? All cons seem to project as much as Trump himself.

Very succinct. He said more in a little over 3 minutes than most people could convey in an hour.

@sticksman1979

Жыл бұрын

Or a lifetime.

We have forgotten how to have discussions. That's why our society is failing. I'm tired of being accused of being evil because I think differently from my classmates. I just want to be free to be left alone and I want the same for anyone else.

@MathematicalCowboy

4 ай бұрын

They won't even listen to you because their hatred is that incredibly powerful. You simply can't have a discussion with people who hate you that much. Don't even try. It's a waste of time.

"You cannot really debate with somebody who truly despises you" Peter Hitchens

@Z3DZ1LL4

5 жыл бұрын

No. You can't debate someone who is willing to make blatant fanciful lies to support their case while being immune to facts. This is what makes debating anyone on the right impossible and pointless. This is why the left won't debate people like Hitchens.

@cc1210

5 жыл бұрын

Err why can’t you debate someone who dislikes you? Fallacy and simplicity.

@vlt873

5 жыл бұрын

@@cc1210 because their prejudice will overpower any reason, no matter how profound.

@The80sWolf_

5 жыл бұрын

"You cannot really debate somebody who truly despises you" So thats why alt right people and antisocialists are always trying to avoid discussions? And when they try to discuss they always derail the discussion into being something else.

@vlt873

5 жыл бұрын

@@The80sWolf_ who are these alt right people you speak of? Anyone who operates outside the tiny bandwidth of leftist viewpoints? If anybody avoids debate, it's leftists. They try to smear, shame and discredit before any questions are asked.

This reminds me of a phrase I first heard as a teen in the 90s, from a republican. "We think they're wrong. They think we're evil." It's scary how true that is, and how self serving.

@responsiblejerk2328

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically, many on the right are wrong because they don't understand just how evil the left is.

@gustaveliasson5395

2 жыл бұрын

So... because you heard a republican say that, it somehow suggests that marxists don't also think that you think they're evil?

@nonyabizz9390

2 жыл бұрын

@@gustaveliasson5395 oh, I do think Marxists are evil. But I didn't say anything about Marxists. I said republican. The other side is democrat. It is quite telling of your politics that you see the "other side" as Marxists.

@waltmansan520

2 жыл бұрын

ironic

@waltmansan520

2 жыл бұрын

the quote you shared is very self-serving. it implies that assigning neutrality to all of your disagreements makes you better.

“We condemn mistakes with asperity, where we pass over sins with gentleness.” This has become a reflection of our society at this moment.

This has to be the single most concise explanation of why constructive debate is, for the most part, impossible today. "You can not really debate against anybody who despises you."

@lil-g4879

Жыл бұрын

And vice versa.

@fernandofaria2872

8 ай бұрын

Also, that is the same principle of prejudice. By thinking "that person disagrees with me, therefore a terrible person" is doing exactly what they supposedly condemn.

Wow . . . _"it's hard to reasonably debate someone who hates you."_ That's a keeper, especially when knowing when to walk away.

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

Like when talking to an American Republican.

@vapor-cake

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094Yeah, it can go both ways for sure.

@Scyllax

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely, and being screamed at by American Fascist Bible-Banging Conservative Authoritarians proves it.

@michaelfranciotti3900

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah cuz it's Republicans who've been physically assaulting people in the streets, destroying small businesses, and censoring and doxxing people.

@Scyllax

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelfranciotti3900 And it’s Fascist Turds in Blue who murder black people like The Gestapo they are, and it’s the owners of this country who have impoverished and brutalized us all, George Orwell Prole.

Little Boy: "Mummy, when I grow up I'm going to be a Socialist!" Mother: "Well, make your mind up, son. You can't do both."

@NyalBurns

4 жыл бұрын

Weird kid

@Dabhach1

4 жыл бұрын

@@coreybullock1392 GOVERNMENT is mommy.

@docholliday8879

4 жыл бұрын

Your comment is a straw man position which is also rambling and incoherent. Ironically, you provide a perfect illustration for the conservative position.

@mbrenner3629

4 жыл бұрын

@@coreybullock1392 actually Leftism requires the all-powerful mommy or Nanny state to enforce it's version of utopia

@deviousg123

4 жыл бұрын

@@docholliday8879 typical sjw response. Deride and tell people they are wrong without any actual position or substance to your argument. OP's comment is no straw man argument, even in jest there is a depth and truth there, and your childish response perfectly highlights why OP is both funny and absolutely right!

Used to hate Peter and love Christopher. Now I love both. What he said here was spot on and I respect him more than ever for saying it in such a nonchalant and unsolicited way in the presence of people who looked like they were falling asleep, talk about morality is what you do when nobody is watching. This is a moral man.

@sticksman1979

Жыл бұрын

Woke culture has transitioned many from Christopher to Peter.

@David-iv6je

10 ай бұрын

@@sticksman1979 "Woke culture" is a chimera. A wedge issue. Please don't be a muppet repeating what you heard elsewhere.

"Morality is what u do when no one's looking" Well, our parents have for generations taught us this from the early childhood.

Today I was told that my white skin doesn’t allow me to have an opinion on racism and that America is just the same today as it was in the 1960s. Apparently these kids have changed the definition of racism.

@maggiepaul5911

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah? I was told to "go back to Africa" if I didn't like the things going on in my own country. The definition of racism doesn't change. It's just people are deceptive and dishonest about their racism, or they don't believe that they'er being racist, so you have to judge by their actions. Now a days racists have seemingly adopted very subtle ways to express their racism because blatant racism can't survive at Mass in todays society.

@mortox2k

4 жыл бұрын

@@maggiepaul5911 subtle racism is better than overt racism, and in that way things have greatly improved since the 1960s. I'm sure you experience plenty of racism nowadays, but in the 60s you would have had no chance at a normal life. Same thing with gay rights - 40 years ago gay marriage would have been unthinkable by most people in this country, but now? Sure, there are people who complain about it or criticize it, but for the most part it's widely accepted.

@maggiepaul5911

4 жыл бұрын

@@mortox2k Oh well yeah of course I don't deny that lol. Just the definition of "racism" doesn't really change. there are still alot of problems that need to be worked on and ig the 1960s is probably a pretty low bar to set compared to what we prolly could be. "Better" is probably not the best characterization either. You'd cringe along with me trying to describe segregation as "better" compared to slavery, or slavery as "better" compared to a slow death. Subtle racism can be very deceptive. I recognize that the country has significantly progressed past seg tho. 😎

@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord

4 жыл бұрын

Maggie Paul The definition of racism has changed. According to some black people now they can’t be racist against white people because black people hold no power. They have literally changed the definition of racism.

@maggiepaul5911

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArtistFormerlyKnownAsShitlord you're trying to attribute a meaning to what OP meant in which he did not clarify. I don't agree with that idea, I think it's dumb, divisive, and counterproductive. The definition hasn't changed, It is just a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between systemic racism, and racism; as is in reference to prejudice against another person based off their race. just because some people ascribe to this idea, doesn't mean that the definition has "changed." I could likewise make the same argument for people who think you have to be in full body clansmen garments to be "racist."

The looks of disgust and contempt and condescension from the other panelists towards Hitchens is so telling and proves his point.

It's almost scary how this has gotten more and more true, year after year.

@TheManofthecross

7 ай бұрын

and rush limbugh called it back then and extra.

Three and a half years later, for all of the realization of what the problem is, we don't seem to be any closer to a solution.

Generally the people who don't want to actually debate and allow others to challenge their ideas are the ones that are wrong. If you truly believe your views are correct then why be afraid of defending them?

@MrRailjunkie

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@The77Game

4 жыл бұрын

That is certainly how it should be but in this day and age we do see that if you express and defend views that are ever so slightly right leaning then a leftist mob will bully you. That could easily lead people to be afraid of defending their views.

@WolvesFansince

4 жыл бұрын

Goes both ways though. people like Ben shapiro or Steven crowder on KZread would never debate someone on the left like Sam Seder or Kyle kullinski. Sam Seder has tried to come on Steven crowder's podcast multiple times to debate but he won't do it.

@reecem367

4 жыл бұрын

@@WolvesFansince Because Seder is a bozo. It doesn't go both ways man, its always the leftists who try to shut down dialogue.

@verntoews5954

4 жыл бұрын

Because any shy weak slow phlegmatic do not want any responsibility for having to make any decisions and would rather entrust all responsibility onto someone else Their fears and sloth and wanting to be carried through life is most successful with a choleric partner and family. It's devious how these gentle phlegmatic liberal people are at the forefront in institutions designed to breakup the family unit. Oh how the ungodly naturally self destruct

“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.” ― Thomas Sowell,

@Tightgarbage

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting quote. Makes me think of people I know who are so smart that they are actually dummer than dumb people

@davidjatt3251

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't he an 80 year old fat black guy?

@anthonyoer4778

4 жыл бұрын

@Richard East what a stupid statement.

@anthonyoer4778

4 жыл бұрын

@Richard East taxing the citizens? Socialism is when the masses pay for a group... Socialists are so kind and generous with other people's money.

@kamran102

4 жыл бұрын

That's a very good quote

Progressive: "The death penalty is murder." Progressive: "Abortion is a right."

@gregj831

2 жыл бұрын

Well said! Only the very privileged can reconcile such hypocrisy.

@OregonDARRYL

2 жыл бұрын

That's because we believe in freedom. Women are free to their bodies and contents. Do YOU want others controlling your body - your DNA? I didn't think so. We do NOT have rights until we are born. Check your birth certificate. See the date? That's the day you became a citizen with rights. Until you're born - you are the property of you mother. And, I am a progressive who has no problem with the death penalty. We do not all think the same things. No different than your side who don't agree on everything either. 70% of Americans believe a woman has a right to choice. So there.

@Pleasiotic1

2 жыл бұрын

@@OregonDARRYL I happily support abortion because it kills off the next generation largely of the people I hate. I have never understood why pro-lifers have a problem with their opponents removing themselves from the gene pool.

@jeremyashcraft2053

2 жыл бұрын

@@OregonDARRYL ah so its only immoral to slay someone if they have legal rights. so in other words, the law is your moral compass. Well now daddy Hitler says we need to exterminate the jews so lets get to it, nothing wrong with that, the law says it is okay after all. The fact of the matter is there is a living child in that womb, and killing it is no different than killing your 5 year old child. I assume you think it would be wrong for a mother to euthanize her 5 year old after shes realized being a mom is tough and stressful, and no longer wants to be a mom, right?

@clintonrobinson8070

2 жыл бұрын

@@OregonDARRYL Honest question, what's your take on vaccination mandates?

When "The end justifies the means" then anything one does to get to that "just" result is fair and can be rationalized as right. What would be a horrible injustice if done by someone with a different viewpoint is totally justified when done to accomplish their own "just" results. This is not only restricted to liberals - I have friends who claim they know when someone on the left is lying (i.e., they are speaking), but it does show itself more with those on the left because conservatives tend to value individualism and personal freedoms more than those on the left.

@alanlight7740

2 жыл бұрын

George Washington's family motto was Exitus acta probat, which some have translated as "The end justifies the means". (Literally, "the outcome proves the act".) The general idea is an old one and is not necessarily bad in itself - the problem comes when those who intend to practice it do not actually pay attention to all of the outcomes, and are either unable or unwilling to pursue their ends in the least destructive and/or most beneficial way. Frequently they have caused much harm and have not even accomplished what they intended - so in such cases the ends have proven the means to be wrong.

@Michael-yd7nt

Жыл бұрын

"The end justifies the means." That is exactly what I was thinking too. I see this a lot from the left. A good example was when Trump was elected there were murmurs about him being impeached, it was floating around the media - even before he took office. Then it was years of vainly searching for evidence that wasn't there and even fabricating it. Now they are pushing the Jan. 6 stuff hard. Why? To prevent him from being elected again. They find him so reprehensible as a human being, that there is no need for real crimes or evidence. In their minds, keeping him out of office is the right thing to do, no matter how they do it. Again, the end justifies the means. My concern is where does this kind of thinking end?

Peter is so clever at warning people to wake up before its too late: 0:07 "When I was a Trotskyist, I had no morals at all; which was the whole point of it. You set out to do what you thought was right at the expense of anybody or anything that got in your way."

@dickhamilton3517

5 жыл бұрын

which is a total load of crap, and, incidentally, a lie. Of course he had morals, then. he hadn't grown up. he just doesn't have them now. he merely has patterns of behaviour which on examination reduce to habit and kneejerk. He has never thought about why they might be good or bad. He's a blustering fool.

@Hyndergogen9

4 жыл бұрын

Which is just a straight up retarded comment. Having no morals has never been the point of any activity ever carried out by humans. He's explaining how he felt and then projecting that onto everyone else.

@jerbiebarb

4 жыл бұрын

Hamilton - those were my thoughts too. Morals depend upon the religious stories we accept or don't accept? The guy must be realizing he's speaking nonsense when he's speaking it. If you actually think you get your morals from religious stories you'll be no better than the most murderous story from the primitive-minded traditions.

@nigecheshire9854

4 жыл бұрын

iok-1 what makes you think you/we are better?

@CynicalBastard

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Hyndergogen9 Perfect for certain people to latch on to, especially since Hitchens is dead. America is heading down the tubes, quick. These "right-wingers" [capitalists] will sell anything and everything [even right-wing "race" orientation] down the drain...not only do they not even make sense as "right-wingers", but they are hypocrites to the nth degree. Anything...for America.

Can we all just stop to appreciate the contribution to the debate made by both Hitchens brothers

@BasedPeanutButterEnjoyer

5 жыл бұрын

TheWindAmongTheReeds The only person of substance (by my reckoning) that he ever really debated was William Lane Craig, and he got thrashed in that one, particularly toward the end when Craig started questioning him directly.

@PeteAmachree

5 жыл бұрын

I was dazzled by Christopher's bombast and self assured demeanour, and thought Peter an insufferable bore. How times change.

@ztrinx1

5 жыл бұрын

@@BasedPeanutButterEnjoyer Hahaha.Yeah, only religious people think that. William Lane Craig is a lying and dishonest piece of shit who is only convincing to those who already agree with his conclusions.

@StinkyWizleteets

5 жыл бұрын

@@ztrinx1 exactly. When you think dishonesty and outright lies youbthink WLC and Peter Hitchens. There is a reason everyone knows Christopher but few have heard of his brother.

@bluewizzrobe8661

5 жыл бұрын

@@ztrinx1 Concurred, depending on the audience, William either believed in a literal flood or, on other nights in front of other audiences, he thought the flood was not literal. I do wish Christopher had lived long enough to debate Jordan Peterson. That would have been quite a show I think.

Refreshing to hear a speech/conversation in a room, filled with people, with no disruptive outburst or behavior. No screaming, yelling or interruptions simply because you speak a different opinion. Proof there are no leftists in the room?

@robertwelsh4094

Жыл бұрын

"Screaming, yelling or interruptions"? It wasn't leftists who unprecedently yelled You lie! during Obama's SOTU. and it WAS MTG who stood up with other GQP members and yelled during the last SOTU. Useless hypocritical projection seems to be all the right has left. Stop being whiny victims and grow a pair.

@beageler

Жыл бұрын

I think you might find a read about the term "filter bubble" enlightening

@beageler

Жыл бұрын

@Jeffery Hoover ... Who are you and why are you writing nonsense at me? I was writing to the OP of this thread, I don't know and don't care about whatever drama is going on in the thread itself.

Very well said! I no longer debate people on the left (I hold views both from the left and right depending the subject)-they devolve into personally negative comments and insults far too quickly, and avoid the topic as if it were beside, not the actual, point.

@RobleViejo

Жыл бұрын

The Right is Individualist, the Left is Collectivist. No need to explain anything else, that's all there is to it. Look at the current state of the world and explain me how Institutionalized Individualism is not EVIL

@basedfemboi9401

Жыл бұрын

@@RobleViejo most leftist I see are hyper individualist that are destroying European people with their open borders and destruction of family I think European people need to come together as a collective we need extreme European nationalism

@RobleViejo

Жыл бұрын

@@basedfemboi9401 I really hope you are kidding, because you are literally talking about bringing the nazis back.

@RobleViejo

Жыл бұрын

@@basedfemboi9401 And by the way: No. Leftists are Collectivists by nature. Rightists are Individualists by nature. Thats the whole meaning of dividing things into Left and Right Wing.

@basedfemboi9401

Жыл бұрын

@@RobleViejo so you can't have those things without Nazism GTFO you're not actually right wing you're a leftist

Hitchens has accurately described what my Twitter and Facebook feeds are like.

@johnbull1568

4 жыл бұрын

There's your problem right there, paying attention to social media. I deactivated my Facebook account years ago, and I never bothered with Twitter at all. The amazing thing is that I never run into these people I hear about in real life, they know themselves that their bullshit doesn't fly in the real world, and they all know they're playing the same silly little game to appear as virtuous as possible on social media.

I didn't 'leave' the left. I morphed into a different person. I grew up.

@jasonnesmith6518

4 жыл бұрын

Conservatives often confuse bias with wisdom.

@tomcolton5662

4 жыл бұрын

Older & more stupider but think you're clever is Conservatives way

@cm-pr2ys

4 жыл бұрын

Both sides suck, no one said conservatives have all the answers. The truth of the matter is OP is telling the truth about the other side of the coin regarding the left side of the political spectrum. It’s not black and white.

@tomcolton5662

4 жыл бұрын

@@julius277 yes, much more than a Conservative goon

@tomcolton5662

4 жыл бұрын

@@julius277 I am a socialist & a genius

When fact encounters emotions in debate, facts always lose. A sad state of affairs.

Peter Hitchens hit the nail on the head on every single point he made.

This is the real Hitch, Peter Hitchens has it here when he says a good definition of morality is "What you're doing when you think no one is looking." Blaming others before taking personal responsibility is entirely to easy to do in this day and age.

@ericnelson9100

2 жыл бұрын

You mean like Trump taking no responsibility for the Jan 6th insurrection?

@juliantheapostate8295

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericnelson9100 What insurrection? I only saw a protest where fewer than 1% of the people took it too far. Looked positively civilised compared to the Antifa nonsense months before

@brianfergus839

2 жыл бұрын

@@juliantheapostate8295

I have frequently read things from Peter Hitchens and rolled my eyes and disagreed with everything he said. Then, some time later, given time almost everything he says is generally proved right and what I rolled my eyes at is correct.

@nativeamerican1167

4 жыл бұрын

what ??

@Vingul

3 жыл бұрын

@@nativeamerican1167 Matt's comment is clear enough.

@nativeamerican1167

3 жыл бұрын

@CheetoDorito69 I can read fine , what have you rolled your eyes at??

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

Funny, my eye rolls are always confirmed. He's a whiner.

@donovanjones4175

2 жыл бұрын

Time can change your perspective because hopefully you have experienced more in life and see things clearly. With age comes wisdom as the saying goes. Pretty fucking clear.

The one constant in my dealings with people over the years is the ones that don't know what they don't know think they're the smartest people in the room.

How aptly presented. How can we grow, if we can't tolerate hearing an opposing point of view? You can't be sure of what you know or learn what you don't know. We need others to sand down our rough exteriors and become wiser.

Nailed it. "That simply by holding the opinions they have & being on the side of what they call progress, that they are, themselves 'moral'... you can not really debate against anyone who despises you...

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

Useless whining and projection at work.

@hurdygurdyman1905

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094 Here's a third time you say this. Ad hominem attacks don't make him look dumber. They make you look dumber.

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

@@hurdygurdyman1905 Learn English. Then grow a pair.

@hurdygurdyman1905

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094 Awesome response! Just what I'd hoped for -- there was absolutey nothing wrong with my English and nothing to suggest I lack testicles. Robert Welsh... the stupidity continues! Wait, aren't you going to mention whining? We're so used to it by now.

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, because Trumpers LOVE everyone and love scientific facts. LMAO With all due respect, you and Peter sound like hypocritical whiners.

Extremely well said. I don't agree with HItch on many things but we can agree on this, discourse and free speech is extremely important.

@jdove6883

2 жыл бұрын

In my experience that is not really believed by leftists.

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

Which he said while childishly pointing his finger at ONE side only. Give me a break.

@JSchaffer214

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094 Is that all you got out of what he said? If so, you kind of proved his point.

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

​@@JSchaffer214 That's all that was there. He was an ultra-left nut. Now he's a con. Now he thinks the "left" thinks they're better than the righties, and they also treat him like he's evil. Essentially, we can't have civility in our discussions because of meanies on the left. What else was there, genius? Go ahead, paint yourself out of this corner.

@DoggosintheHouse

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094 THANK YOU! All these posts I've seen conveniently ignore the fact that the core of Hitchens argument isn't against linking emotion to politics... it's against the entire left side of the political spectrum as a group. Kudos for him to find for finding a way to insulting his opponents and making it sound like an intellectual argument, but really all he's doing is exactly what he says he opposes: dehumanizing people who disagree with him.

Such a wise and intelligent man. Speaks humbly about his errors of the past and is willing to debate anyone. He’s a good role model and it’s telling that a vast chunk of our society despise him

That last part... Peter Hitchens absolutely became that when he debated Alex O'Connor. He became the very thing he's criticising. I mean he didn't say he's infallible to recoiling in debate but his notion that it's a leftist thing has been disproven by his own actions. I thought this was a man of principle - saying he'd reversed his Trotskyist ways, what an absolute joke of a man.

Well said! As a centrist I see flaws in the left, right and even many of my centrist views. No political stance is 100% correct if you are brutally honest. But I also have a very hard time debating with the left as it devolves into as the gentleman stated, perceived moral high ground. Then I am called racist, bigot, homophobic etc. It's quite scary as it's the younger millennials that seem to be so installed with this.

@bobmcrae5751

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe there's a reason you're called a racist, bigot and homophobe.

@jb8408

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobmcrae5751 if it’s anything like I’ve seen, pejoratives like bigot, racist, homophobic, etc aren’t being accurately applied, they are only used by those on the political left to “win” arguments with arguing. I find many of the viewpoints on the political left to lead to MUCH bigotry and hate, much more than I generally see in conservatives these days.

@zachmartin1458

2 жыл бұрын

There is, Bob. Because people like you evade the fact that words actually denote something.

@queent3343

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone who is young is an idealist. You didn't see old hippies did you? It's living your life that makes you settle into realities like paying a mortgage, raising kids, educating kids.....Let the millennials grow up and realize their values only extend to their lifespan. That's why I laugh when I see people like Ben Shapiro go to college campuses. Pick on someone your own age, then it's a real debate.

@Pan_Z

2 жыл бұрын

@@queent3343 There's merit to speakers visiting college campuses. The entire concept of education is the old passing on their knowledge to the young. Secondly, Shapiro (and likely whoever else you demean) do debate others' his age.

When i was on the left, instead of dealing with my personal demons, i turned to politics and wanted to fix everyone else. Of course, i was completely blind to what needed to be changed, or should i say HEALED, within myself . Having done inner work, i an see better , help more and manipulate others less .

@IIBloodXLustII

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know if you are Christian or not but what you describe is what Jesus said in Matthew 7:5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

@ElectricPhantasmagoria

4 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you took some responsibility and owned it. It’s called projection. It’s absolutely goddamn necessary. A whole lot of stupid fucking people are aware at some level they have something wrong within themselves and yet see the enemy outside themselves with their own problem. Good fucking grief the appalling display of egotism is downright unstable the left displays daily.

@charlesfreeman9917

4 жыл бұрын

You, were never on the left...

@charlesfreeman9917

4 жыл бұрын

@@draith3358 So, Dr, because he thought "racism bad" he was on the left? That's a little ridiculous...

@Ninjaananas

4 жыл бұрын

That has nothing to do with being left-wing. Stop making fake stories.

This is so true, especially today. Like myself trying to debate it disagree with left-leaning people the majority use insults or bring up trump which is normally not part of the conversation. Sadly, their hate is that forward in thinking and the norm .

What a phenomenal family, two brilliant men. We miss your brother a lot btw! Not that you aren't keeping his work going.

As I get older, the cracks in the left's position become ever more apparent and obvious to me. At age 21 I was a guardian reading know all, who thought I knew what was best for humanity. The fact that scores of left wing heavy weights had tried and repeatedly failed to bring about the utopia they promoted, meant nothing to me. Without admitting as much, I was convinced I was almost uniquely privy to the socialist launch codes, and yes I was also convinced that all this made me a virtuous and righteous individual. FFWD to 1997 and the dawn of the NuLabour era, and I remember my mum saying to me "You're about to get that Labour government you've always wanted. I promise you, you'll be disappointed. There's no left and right. There is simply them and us" Turns out she was right, God rest her soul. Now, at 50 I retain a few of the perspectives I held years ago, but for the most part, I'm with Peter Hitchens on where we, are and where we're going, and it doesn't look good.

@MrBrachiatingApe

2 жыл бұрын

The Left being so prevalent in Universities and in its modern 1st world form shaped to appeal to emotions (and the most reason-subjugating ones at that) I think a great many people adopt a Leftist label and fill it in with stock ideas. If they get caught by that little snare, they will keep refilling that frame with new ideas they presume to be correct because it fits the frame they adopted without evidence both to fit in (peers) and rebel (things they personally don't want to have to deal with...as in, I knew a lot of young "socialists" who were scared of the job market for brand-new graduates or just didn't want to work. That's why they were Socialists--they wanted a free ride without the associated stigma.) It's funny how the authoritarian fist revealed itself underneath the hippy glove so quickly and completely, though. I used to bristle when people said the Left had no built-in morality nor demand for one. Now I see that's just the simple fact, and that it pulls in a lot of selfish people who don't want to be condemned for selfishness who are quite happy to be totalitarian as long as they can escape judgment or convince themselves it's nonsense, that the other side are the evil ones projecting their own flaws onto the selfish Left.

@nuckygulliver9607

Жыл бұрын

yes, people should embrace being wrong. Without that, tribalism is fueled.

@joblakelisbon

Жыл бұрын

Do you think there is a way to convince the young of their own folly?

It saddens me to see so many of my lefty tolerant friends cheering for riots .

@Shadowhunterbg

4 жыл бұрын

"Tolerant"... nice one.

@maxxor-overworldhero6730

4 жыл бұрын

Careful, they might shiv you if they find out that you don't see similarly.

@LoudaroundLincoln

4 жыл бұрын

Or they could be like the vast majority of the rest of us and not care. A riot happens in London and cops and rioters are hurt. How does that affect me in Lincolnshire? What do I care about a rioters broken skull, or some copper getting his arm broke or some war memorial getting trashed? Means nowt to me.

@jullienricot930

4 жыл бұрын

Riots only hurt the poor and Middle classes because the rich have the Money to gather their things and leave!

@marcokite

4 жыл бұрын

@John & Jane Smith huh?

Peter Hitchens was spot on. As his brother said. 'every abortion stops a beating heart.'

@mikedon5205

Жыл бұрын

But there are also cases where hearts were stopped because mothers didn't have abortions

@zufgh

Жыл бұрын

@@mikedon5205 There is no substantial amount of pro-lifers who would deny a woman's right to have an abortion if it were to save her life.

@mikedon5205

Жыл бұрын

@@zufgh really. Several cases where medical teams were afraid to act because of abortion laws and mothers have died look into cases why Ireland became more lenient on abortion because of certain cases

@David-iv6je

10 ай бұрын

And a beating heart needs to be the first thing present in a lump of cells, so there can be circulation of Oxygen and nutrients and disposal of waste. Try not to be so melodramatic.

I love saying in an argument “do you not think there’s a good chance we are both wrong”

I have a great deal of respect for Peter Hitchens and yet I profoundly disagree with him on several issues. He argues his case eloquently and remains civilised. Political discourse in this country could do with more people like him. He certainly makes me think.

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

Civilized, but childish. "Recoil like a snail..."? He comes across as a whiner.

@michaelpflaumer2487

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, it takes a great deal of intestinal fortitude to admit you were wrong or changed your mind about such an adamant part of your life philosophy in front of the public.

@hurdygurdyman1905

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094 Not childish at all. It's a great simile. Weird that from everything he said, that was your takeaway.

@ThepurposeofTime

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094 lmao I don't agree with 70% of what he said but just there you did EXACTLY what he described 😂🤣

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThepurposeofTime Did it hurt your little feelings? You're a whiner too.

The man has a point. RIP Christopher Hitchens, by the way.

@janethockey9070

4 жыл бұрын

Kendrick Jahn This is his bro

@markbaker5599

4 жыл бұрын

This prick was clearly the black sheep

@seanmoran6510

3 жыл бұрын

Christopher remained a Trotskyist and had no scruples about dealing with others that disagreed with him. Give me Christian Peter any day of the week!

@seanmoran6510

3 жыл бұрын

@@markbaker5599 Your the prick who’d wheel out the Guillotine then cry when it Came for him!

@outdatedfarmequipment2702

2 жыл бұрын

Socialism now that sounds good.

Emotions find a way to validate themselves at any cost.

Really respect Peter Hitchens as these days it's brave to stand for the truth of to actually have an opinion or another perspective without being judged or targeted.

@alecchase2000

Жыл бұрын

He's a Christian. There's no truth in that. You have failed at everything in life.

Peter Hitchens is a national Treasure.

@Andy-id1ui

5 жыл бұрын

We need more like him, but the prob is the left label people racist, fascist etc so too many are too scared to stand up to the left.

@sudo_nym

5 жыл бұрын

@Elenhith Hear hear.

@normanrossall3898

5 жыл бұрын

He is yes to a certain degree but i would never place him on my mantelpiece. Imagine trying to have a wank over Baywatch with that head gawping at you.

@AlternativeDesign100

5 жыл бұрын

utterly agree. @Elenhith

@buildfear

5 жыл бұрын

GAZZA WAZZA you spelt embarrassment wrong.

Perfectly sums up everything occuring in the world.

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Ecclesiastes 10:2

Peter Hitchens is a truly honourable man.

The left "All animals are equal, some animals are more equal than others" - George Orwell - Animal Farm

@bencross2818

4 жыл бұрын

George Orwell was an avid supporter of democratic socialism. He said in Homage to Catalonia "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for Democratic Socialism, as I understand it." People love touting Animal Farm as some ultimate work of anti-left ideology, but thats an intellectually dishonest interpretation of a book more obviously, (even by admission of the author as seen above) a work of anti-totalitarianism literature.

@xbird532

4 жыл бұрын

But Orwell was a socialist. That’s literally just America.

@ayhamshaheed7740

4 жыл бұрын

all countries are like that. Your point makes no sense

@jessefontenot9846

4 жыл бұрын

Ben Cross your post doesn’t really make sense. Right now it is anti-left because the left is more totalitarian now. Neither left or right has a exclusive claim to totalitarianism. Also “as I understand it” is the same as putting anything before the word justice. It subverts the word to being so vague it’s almost pointless to use. So him being a Democratic socialist is meaningless without having an very long interview with him to define what HE considered it to be. The traditional left is vastly different to the modern left.

@crmzntears

4 жыл бұрын

- Michael Scott

There’s a finer line than might be obvious between “we have the better program” and “we are better for having thought that up.”

Excellent video! Goes right to the point.

So much greatness and wisdom from one family. The Hitchens.

@jakecostanza802

2 жыл бұрын

Especially when Chris supported the invasion of Iraq.

@stevemm5266

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakecostanza802 I did not say he works against Jewish interests.

Peter Hitchens vs a whole battery of leftists as usual.

@bodspafc

5 жыл бұрын

Jesse Palmer How did he ‘lose’?

@ridew3072

5 жыл бұрын

Playing the victim.

@takkiejakkie5458

5 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ, what a whiner. If you have good arguments, it should not matter how many opponents you're debating with. Also, that he is the only one not on the left there doesn't automatically mean he's right. I see a lot of people confusing courage with being right. That's when you end up with fools like Trump.

@peterclifford8305

5 жыл бұрын

@@jessepalmer9271- PH is offering facts, you just don't get it! How can you offer facts and reason to any leftists??

@ridew3072

5 жыл бұрын

Global Rationality Hit the nail on the head - I never heard his brother complain about being outnumbered.

For some people, its more important to be first than correct.

Peter Hitchens is a national treasure

Look at that woman winch when he explains about capital punishment lol thus proving his point..

@nw8000

3 жыл бұрын

@The Flash Because they are weak

@MCshlthead

3 жыл бұрын

@@nw8000 well we can't all be strong like you internet tough guy

@newyorkfan16

2 жыл бұрын

women lust for power, despite men acquiring it...

Morality is what you do when you think nobody is looking.

@Norvik_-ug3ge

2 жыл бұрын

Virtue Signalling is what you do when you know people are looking.

@FirebirdFreak87

Жыл бұрын

Both of you here are correct.

The problem stems from judging actions by the actors' stated intention (which, sadly, is often a lie) rather than the results of the action.

Such a good way of putting it

Mr. Hitchens is one of the reasons I buy the Mail on Sunday.

@fen0000

5 жыл бұрын

Read it online and hang on to your money. Most of it is not worth paying for.

@WeAreWafc

5 жыл бұрын

I just read Peter’s column online and buy the Sunday Telegraph instead.

@thumbprint7150

5 жыл бұрын

Mick, I am so sorry.

@Fordnan

5 жыл бұрын

The others including that you hate immigrants, and benefit scrounges, yet simultaneously fawn over the self-styled ‘Windsor’ family?

Clever and honest man. He has my respect

Learning from everybody. Thank you for this video.

Killing unborn babies is unacceptable

Years ago I believed in objective morality, and believed that holding any value was an act of hubris and naivety. Which led me to be a nihilist for a period of time. It took me a long time before I heard people like Jordan Peterson and Conservatives talk about personal responsibility and the importance of family. All of that led to breaking out of this relativistic mindset and drawing hard lines.

@DoctorPhileasFragg

2 жыл бұрын

Having a relativistic mindset meant believing in objective morality?

@hermanwooster8944

2 жыл бұрын

@@DoctorPhileasFragg I think Wingdings meant subjective morality. The rest of the comment strongly implies it.

@oisnowy5368

2 жыл бұрын

When someone writes "years ago I believed in objective morality, and believed that holding any value was an act of hubris and naivety" ... that's a does not compute for me. Morality is about values, how can anyone claim to be moral without values? And even if one is against values, being against values is a value in and of itself. Could you elaborate on the mindset you left behind?

@tamething1

2 жыл бұрын

William Gairdner's book "The War Against the Family" is very eye-opening too.

@andrewhart9913

2 жыл бұрын

@@hermanwooster8944 Yes. Nihilism is radical existentialism so they must have meant subjective morality. It's funny and sad how almost all heinous acts of evil in world can be traced back to nihilism, because if there is no objective morality then it's anyone's game to classify their own with any basis, regardless of whether it involves hurting countless others. Crime and Punishment illustrates the clear danger of this, and Nazism even more.

It's absurd to assume that everyone with a particular political stance has an identical demeanor. The only reason anyone would choose to believe that is because they're just looking for an excuse to act superior themselves.

@mutably

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I've seen the same amount of arrogant and uninformed people on the whole political compass.

@johnmilligan6605

2 жыл бұрын

Some political views are discusting and can only be held by morally deficient individuals that fact was established at Nuremberg! NEVER AGAIN or have we forgot?

@WoodRabbitTaoist

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think he's implying that everyone with a particular political stance has an identical demeanor. It's just generalizations. There are always exceptions but generally speaking people with certain political stances tend to have a certain demeanor. You're arguing a straw man.

@micahgmiranda

2 жыл бұрын

@@WoodRabbitTaoist you're the one arguing the straw man. I never said that he said that, did I?

@WoodRabbitTaoist

2 жыл бұрын

@@micahgmiranda it sure seemed like you were trying to imply it. Maybe I misunderstood.

Excellent!

What you do when you think no one is looking as well as what you do when you know everyone is looking; groupthink is dangerous while peer pressure is powerful.

Just watching the short clip of the other presenters on stage while Hitchen speaks is priceless.

I looked at him, read his name, and heard his voice and quickly went to wikipedia with his name. Never knew Christopher Hitchens had a brother. Awesome!

@dinocarlucci2105

5 жыл бұрын

shan_rocks Christopher kept it quiet. Now you know why.

Nails it again

One of hte biggest problems is people thinking the greatest divide is left vs right, and not the reality of classism... rich vs masses.

"Recoil as a salted snail" ... BOOM

"What politicians can do about morality is they can quite often push people into doing things they don't want to do because they the politicians think those things are right or they can stop people from doing things that they would otherwise like to do and my great beef about this is that over the past 50 or 60 years almost every piece of legislation social or economic has been designed to make it harder for people unless they're very rich to raise their own children and particularly for women to stay at home and bring up the next generation rather than going out and being wage slaves." - Peter Hitchens

@paulk5311

Жыл бұрын

i don't think it is so much legislation as it is covetousness. people become slaves to their jobs because they want more stuff. simple as that.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

"Wage slaves" is exactly what it is. So good.

I have tremendous respect and appreciation for Peter Hitchens. I love that I can understand every word in this clip. Have to go watch this in its entirety now. Can't wait!

@jbrown2905

4 жыл бұрын

Go2therock 7

@robertwelsh4094

2 жыл бұрын

He's a whiner.

@jessebianchi2631

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094 i think pete is full of himself but empty at the same time. he basically boasted about being free of of an ethical core.

@hurdygurdyman1905

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelsh4094 Repeating this over and over doesn't make it true.

@hurdygurdyman1905

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessebianchi2631 When did he do that? Seemed he did the opposite.

The "uh-oh" look on the panelist's faces at 2:30 is gold.

Having your OWN moral standard, is an IMMORAL position!

Very well said mate

I disagree with peter on most things - I consider myself a centrist with slightly more left leaning beliefs than right leaning. He is absolutely on point here though. Many on the left argue with emotion rather than facts and statistics unless the facts and statistics favour them, all so that they look like a “good person”.

@chloegrobler4275

2 жыл бұрын

huh?

@molonlabe9602

2 жыл бұрын

AKA virtue signaling...a major trait of leftists.

@Floxxoror

2 жыл бұрын

there are a few very profound things where the right is immune to facts, like protectionism, trickle down economics, guns and their connection to gun deaths...just sayin.

@vasheed

2 жыл бұрын

The usual problem I have with this line of argument is that the typical person cannot differentiate between liberals with their identity politics and leftists who want to bring you things like healthcare which in even conservative studies show would save the nation money.

@CodeBleu724

2 жыл бұрын

They just like to feel good, not do good. All of this woke stuff is loser grade narcissism.

Everyone is too busy being right to listen to the other person's point of view.

@AdultDevelopmentInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

I think the point of this video is that everyone is too busy being left ;)

@robertwoodpa6463

3 жыл бұрын

Can you tell me where the right is imposing its views? I missed that part.

@Zyrock

3 жыл бұрын

Too busy trying to be Politically Correct

What people accuse others of is often a projection of their own character.

Nailed it exactly.

This is a very concise and reasonable explanation.

Listening to Peter’s voice made me realize how much i miss Christopher Hitchens

@patbrennan6572

4 жыл бұрын

'' Oh yeah' , he was the one that had sympathy for those that weren't wealthy..

@marcokite

4 жыл бұрын

@ItsStillRealToMe DamnIt - you couldn't be more wrong. actually the dumber, dishonest, bitter one is the one who we lost. the more intelligent, honest one is still with us. may Christopher H rip though

Great point

Summed up nicely.

He describes Reddit to a tee. Also the point if they disagree with one thing you say you're labelled evil. Right and left do this and it's shameful.

@jokertim777

4 жыл бұрын

The change thats happened to the left in the last decade is remarkable and horrible. Around 2007, I did a social experiment where I posted the same 10 blogs containing libertarian views on politics to both Daily Kos and Redstate. The result then was that the right attacked me immediately and banned me from the site (they were trying to fight off a Ron Paul revolution at the time). Daily Kos gave me some kudos, likes, as well as some insults and heated debate. What they NEVER did was ban me. I would say they did end up mostly ignoring my posting towards the end, but I went back a decade later and my account and all my content was still on their site. Pretty tolerant and benign compared to the insta-ban I got from the right. I know that the Never Pauls on Redstate had a lot to due with their reaction, but I definitely left the experiment with the impression that the left was more tolerant of dissent and supported the 1st Amendment. My how times have changed.

@LookDeeper

3 жыл бұрын

Hentarded Those that wish to impose their world view from both extremes need a collective slap.

@fckgo0gle41

3 жыл бұрын

@@draith3358 LOL Mmmmmmm delicious salty redditor.

@Mrflowerproductions

3 жыл бұрын

@@draith3358 saying the n word serves two functions, well more like one function and one liberation. First theres the rebellious kick you get out of saying a word you're not supposed to say, and it serves the function of dissuading sensitive people from participating, which keeps the population at a healthy right wing majority.

@newyorkfan16

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mrflowerproductions "saying a word you're not supposed to say," really dude? That's worth mentioning and virtue signaling about? I swear this world is under a collective mind control spell

Everytime he said 'left', I substituted it for 'right'. It came out the same.

@RtB68

2 жыл бұрын

Did he hurt you that badly? Ohhh you poor boy.

@Jackaljkljkl

Жыл бұрын

Yea, radical fringes are bad. It's not complicated...

At least they aren't trying to overthrow our democracy!😆🇺🇸

Whoa!!! So on target!!! THANK YOU!!!!!