As someone who took delivery of a 458 less than 2 weeks ago as of typing this, of course the title of your video caught my eye. I completely agree with your comparison to the 430 Scuderia. I was originally shopping for a 430 Scuderia, but with the recent price trend of them as well as the potential cost for maintenance is why I went with the 458 and I have to say I couldn't be happier with it so far. As for whether or not the 458 itself is overrated? I have to disagree, I think it has been put on a very high pedestal and from that perspective could be considered overrated, but it has been rightfully put on that pedestal due to how great it truly is, and the 458 will only continue to age gracefully.

@Fpvpilot928

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with you here, including Jay (I think the title is click bait). The 458 is adored by practically all.

@brandonchism6960

Жыл бұрын

If you get a chance, I’d like to hear your thoughts on the new C8 Z06 compared to your 458. Congrats on the acquisition!!!

@LifeatSpeed

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonchism6960 thank you! That is a topic I will likely cover on my channel. From a styling perspective the Z06 does nothing for me. I need to get my hands on one and see how it drives.

@nerowolf8006

Жыл бұрын

How do you feel about the sound of the 4.5 from inside the car? Ive only ever heard these from outside so I cant determine if I agree or not with Jay’s opinion on the sound

@JayEmmOnCars

Жыл бұрын

Being overrated is not the same as being bad

Weirdly enough, the lack of sidescoops is why I prefer this over 488 and F8

@Gynra

Жыл бұрын

Me too!

@jafooli

Жыл бұрын

It's the lines that pininfarina intended. 488 cuts these lines. 488 still looks amazing, but not as pure as original designed.

@Rendaro

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. The lack of scoops gives the 458 a timeless elegance that will still be sought after decades from now. To my eye, the 488 looks like someone butchered a 458 with an after market bodykit from Alibaba.

@judge831

Жыл бұрын

I love the scoops.

@mcmh9523

Жыл бұрын

@@jafooli Can't agree more. The 458 was pure and perfect by itself - but the 488 introduced unnecessary design elements (yes, I know they were completely necessary from the engineering point of view) in order to make it look "new".

Strong disagree with you here.... It has everything! - Power you can use 80% of on the road - Sound, incredible. Especially with a novitec - Looks! beautiful. - RELIABILITY! Never had a single issue in 20,000 miles and 7 years of ownership. - Price... I mean, what else can you get this good for £130k? Very little options compare -

@dutoitm1

Жыл бұрын

650S for less.

@corvuscorax8459

Жыл бұрын

Us yanks get jealous when we see a 458 going for £130k. A good 458 stateside is $220k+ easily.

@SenszR

Жыл бұрын

@@corvuscorax8459 really? Sounds pretty unreasonable.

@Gavin-oq5tt

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you here - but am always interested to hear another view point. I have a 458 together with a 348 and 550. The 348 is always the most engaging to drive - wonderful if you can take the top off too - but your exhausted after an hour or so. The 550 just makes you feel special, takes everything in its stride, cruising but also rewarding if you want to press on. But for me, the 458 is not for that short blast, but really comes in to its own on a longer (B road) journey and you can really get in to a rhythm. Maybe you need to live with it longer to appreciate what it can do?

@johnguidetti5839

Жыл бұрын

@@dutoitm1 650s not as good.

It sounds like a bear....a burning bear The 458 is is one of the very few modern Ferraris I'd own if I could.

@plektosgaming

Жыл бұрын

A Ferrari that doesn't break every month and isn't 20K a year to keep running? Sign me up. :)

@nicolasgoncalvespereira655

Жыл бұрын

"It sounds like a bear...a burning bear" Got the reference :) Also, Jeremy Clarkson really was madly in love with the 458 at the time, huh? 😄

Sounded and looks pretty impressive to me.

@kevinvanneste2500

Жыл бұрын

Sounds heavenly

@detaart

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a four cylinder

@navyrotc2012

Жыл бұрын

@@detaart show me this 4 cylinder and I’ll buy it

@SenszR

Жыл бұрын

@@detaart pretty much all flat plane V8s sound like 4 pots

@ontheotherside3

Жыл бұрын

@@detaart eeewwww!! damn it, why did you have to say that?! now I can't hear it any other way... like a riced out civic... 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

I cringed when reading the title. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So, I won't fight anyone about opinions. Love your channel and would have watched the video regardless of the title, but hopefully, it gained you some new viewers and subs. I wish you much continued success in your KZread channel growth. For the record, the 458 currently wears the crown for me. ❤️

Very few cars are lauded over quite as much as this car was, it was incredible how generally well-received this car was

@toddinthemiddle

Жыл бұрын

was the first ferrari that wowed me from a looks standpoint, as an actual adult. still looks beautiful. more than beautiful.

This was peak Ferrari in my honest opinion. Pinninfarina left after or shortly after this car, and Ferraris styling went into the gutter until very recently with the 296. Shame this or the speciale never came with a stick.

Biased obviously but I absolutely adore my 458. It’s the perfect sweet spot between analogue and modern, looks brilliant, useable in lots of different situations, faster than you’ll ever need, and pretty reliable too. As others have said, there’s nothing in the price bracket that appeals even half as much. Personally I love the sound and put it in my top 5 engine noises of all time. Amazed that you’re not a fan TBH Jay! I guess it’s one of those to each his own things, but my 458 is the only car I have that I can confidently say I’ll never sell (unless someone does me a deal on a Speciale that is!).

God I hate gel number plates. You would think that a ferrari owner would have more taste.

Sorry to say that but you are most likely the only one in the world who complained about the sound of 458, I've had the 430/488/F8 and sold all of them but kept the 458, I respect your opinion and I'm not going to argue.

All the stats don't matter It looks badass

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

Nah. It looks like ass. That grimacing fizzog is just goppingly hideous.

@Snarfcat

Жыл бұрын

Sorry have to disagree, ugly for me

@chir0pter

Жыл бұрын

No it doesn't, one of the worst mid-engined Ferraris

@MrGB1999

Жыл бұрын

The 488 looks (way) more badass..

@scuckplexity

Жыл бұрын

​@@chir0pter a Mondial exist

I changed my 488 to a 458 early last year & have enjoyed every minute. I’m fortunate to own a scud also which is a different ownership experience & is tricky to compare in reality. I had an early 650, never again. Awesome car but to many issues meant I sold it & bought the scud which is the best thing I ever did. The 60k you save buying a 650 keep for rainy day maintenance!

@jafooli

Жыл бұрын

What issues did you have? I have a 458, luckily no issues yet

@Hello_there_obi

Жыл бұрын

@@jafooli He’s talking about the 650

I'd say the F40 was the most overrated Ferrari. Awful build quality and an often difficult road car. An icon? Absolutely. An investment? Certainly. An automotive Van Gogh, perhaps?

@clownworld-honk410

Жыл бұрын

True. Those panel gaps! Looks like a car someone knocked up in a garden shed. Don't understand the iconic status of the F40.

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, they're horrid too!

@averagepal572

Жыл бұрын

You're forgetting one thing "Racecar"

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

@@clownworld-honk410 even the styling looks like something knocked up on an industrial estate in the Midlands.

@cafe405

Жыл бұрын

The F50 exists, a car with a compromised engine nailed to your back, and due to a numbers, an even bigger investment vehicle and the F40 is the one in your firing line as overrated.

Love the channel and thanks for the video. Here is my advice on doing a review P3: 1. Get a spider 2. Sample one with a Kline exhaust 3. Take it to a proper twisty mountain road. 4. drive in race only 5. Drive in manual only 6. Report back This cars greatest strengths (its breadth and versatility) can also be its weaknesses. Drive at 7/10s and up and you’ll see what this is all about.

@MrGB1999

Жыл бұрын

Same for any Ferrari. But the 458 is the first Ferrari to just lack that visceral edge. It is, sadly, a little too refined, a little too artificial. A lot of it (imo) stems from its gearbox. There's a good reason why Lambo kept the single clutch in the Aventador.

Having had a few Ferraris I have to respectfully disagree. Some of the points you make (lack of reward for hitting 9k rpm, exhaust bark - although this is easily fixed with a £250 aftermarket controller) I agree with, but perhaps I’m a bit older and can remember how much of a spaceship this was when it landed in 2009. The same cannot be said about the 355, 360, or 430. When the 355 was released, Porsche had the 993 Turbo, a car that would monster it in every dimension bar noise, similarly the 360 which the 996 Turbo would demolish without a second thought. 430 - 997. However with the 458 it took Porsche a full 4 years to even come close, and for sheer driving pleasure the McLaren was miles behind. The 650 again came a full 4 years later. To criticise the 458 for those issues compared to cars that took years of development just to be comparable is a bit unfair. Also two things make it near perfect - make it a Spider (solves the in cabin noise issue) and buy a IPE exhaust- makes even the 355 sound a bit tame!

@MrGB1999

Жыл бұрын

Spaceship vs purity and timelessness. Isn't Lamborghini the place of spaceships? 🤔 The 458 is the first Ferrari that put refinement before raw, visceral pleasure. It made the car more usable, granted. But seriously, who is commuting or doing errands in these cars. Give me the old school sensations for those few perfect moments over "everyday" use.

@BrianCorish

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGB1999 have you driven one? I have a few cars and I use my 458 spider more than any of them, including currently in the snow here in Switzerland. Emotion was a term previously used to excuse poor build quality. The 458 is in a different league to the 430 in terms of pure driving enjoyment.

@BrianCorish

Жыл бұрын

And Lamborghinis were never built for people who genuinely enjoy driving, just those who like to be seen.

Couldn't disagree more about the lack of side scoops: That's what MAKES this shape...emphasising the cab forward stance that Centro Stilo's turbo-required scoops entirely disrupt. The Maserati MC20 shows how that can be done so much better.

In a world of car reviews, JayEmm stands alone....literally.

@ryanmichael7795

Жыл бұрын

His videos are far too long winded and i think hes watched too much jeremy clarkson growing up

@grahamking4280

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanmichael7795 At times a very staccato delivery

@denis-8613

Жыл бұрын

Hard to take someone who doesn’t really drive seriously

@Emira_75

Жыл бұрын

@@denis-8613 who are you refering to?

@jafooli

Жыл бұрын

He's also biased since he's justifying his decision to buy an F12 and 430 scud. So hard to admit the 458 is probably a more legendary car than both of them.

I have a 2011 458 and absolutely love it. Around mid 2012 Ferrari adjusted the exhaust notes and for the most part got rid of the crackles. At the same time I owned a 2017 488 GTB and absolutely loved it. Did not sound as good as my 458 but was as good looking and much more smoother to drive. Oh ya and much faster but I believe the 458 is a better car for the road. 488 is just to fast for the road. I recently traded the 488 GTB for a Pista. The Pista is stupid fast but I love it. I will only sale my Italia for a Speciale...!

Hope you get a chance to drive the Speciale, would love to see your take on it. Maybe it will be the best of the lot, or also overrated?

@Kyuzeth

Жыл бұрын

That'd be a curious thing to see, especially since James was lukewarm on the 360 Challenge Stradale, to say the least.

@JayEmmOnCars

Жыл бұрын

But I was also not in love with the F430

You like the f355 because of the looks and sound. I like the 458 because of the looks and the v8. About the sound there were more restrictive noise db limitations when the 458 was produced. Also it's by far more likely most f355 are on aftermarket exhausts.

@jurcicmax237

Жыл бұрын

Nope. F355 sound the best because it has itb. Instead of 2 tb.

@marfrandema1884

Жыл бұрын

@@jurcicmax237 Maybe the 5 valves aswell got something to do aswell.

@jurcicmax237

Жыл бұрын

@@marfrandema1884 true that.

@kalmmonke5037

Жыл бұрын

lotus exige 430, evora 430, emira

@288gto7

Жыл бұрын

@@jurcicmax237 meanwhile 4v twin throttle 348 sounds very similar to the 355 :)

Each to their own to be honest, I've owned many modern sports and supercars, 458 was something very special to me, it was so special I worked my butt to get the Speciale which is now my all time favourite. For now.

I loved my 458 Italia it did most things well, was very civilised and could be driven daily if required as it was so easy to pilot in auto mode anyone could drive it. However flick the manettino and it changed character instantly! I should have kept it but I part exchanged it for the car I always wanted the 360 CS. Granted it’s slower, more clunky and the gearbox is nowhere near the 458 but the noise and the feeling of being more connected to the car wins you over. So I don’t think the 458 is over rated it’s great at what it does but there are other cars that stir the soul more.

@MrGB1999

Жыл бұрын

..and when you consider that you can mod a 360 Modena to be quite close to a CS (but less stiff - a good thing), then I'd question why people need to spend £135k when they could spend £50k + mods.. 👀

@frenchbred2081

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGB1999 it’s quite close but not quite the real thing. I have a spider modified to Stradale spec( as close as possible) to go with my Stradale but on a normal road with a good driver the spider isn’t really any slower in real world terms. It’s like saying is the Speciale much faster or better than the Italia. It is but for the money difference you will probably have just as much fun in the cheaper car. It’s still a Ferrari at the end of the day.

Fight you, I will. I disagree highly, this is a legendary modern Ferrari, the only dispute for me is a manual F430 or this. How could you not be moved by the noise, and the turn of speed this has? It isn't perfect, but despite your objections, this car is still an object of desire; certainly over any 12C or 650S. If you haven't already, drive a 458 Speciale, and that will give you the fizz and the drama you're looking for.

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

The noise? It's every bit as muted and artificial as the 12C's turbo unit, and the McLaren obliterates it in outright speed. Desirability? Eh... I'd have to love the looks, and I don't like a single feature about this car, it's absolutely goppingly hideous.

@colestacks3235

Жыл бұрын

@@richardharrold9736 I the the front end is fine but the rear is hideous

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

@@colestacks3235 the front end is my least favourite part of what is a very weak and uncohesive design all round.

@colestacks3235

Жыл бұрын

@@richardharrold9736 I hate the front fenders, they absolutely do not work well with the lines

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

@@colestacks3235 and that grimacing fizzog... makes it look like an angry ant.

Perfect design. Perfect sound, N/A engine. One of my all time favorite Ferrari.

@fastaussie

7 ай бұрын

could not agree more...

i always wondered why the more modern ferrari v8s didnt sound quite right. ive always loved the 355 and 360 for their sounds but the later cars dont quite hit in the same way. it reminds me of when you were talking about a ferrari v12 (mightve been a 599) ages ago and how the exhaust needed to be set up as a 6 into 1 to get that epic v12 sound which you expect.

@supraman2755

Жыл бұрын

355 and 360 have 5 valves per cylinder while 430 and 458 have 4

@garycartwright4860

Жыл бұрын

Sit inside one and tell me it doesn’t sound good

@Snarfcat

Жыл бұрын

@@garycartwright4860 I have they all sound terrible

@coolguy_2997

Жыл бұрын

You can get whatever sound you like from a great variety of aftermarket exhausts - plus can save a lot of weight if you pick a titanium or inconel one

@288gto7

Жыл бұрын

@@supraman2755 yeah, however the 348 has 4 valves but sounds very similar to the 355. the thing is same v8 was used from 308 towards 360 with few changes but at its core its same engine. The 430 switched to a completely new v8 from the previous belt driven family and was modified a bit for the 458 which also uses same core engine. Then another completely new v8 was also designed for 488, the second gen v8 lived a very short life about 11-12 years meanwhile the first gen lived for around 23 years

Owned two 458’s; a 2011 car and 2013 car, both Italia’s. Preferred the earlier car, which was more aggressive in sound- the 2012 upgrades softened this and the gearbox changes in race mode. The car was wonderful, but just never missed it once gone. Actually to me the most disappointing element was the flat plane engine sound. It’s was just a noise that got louder the higher you revved the engine. No depth or changes to it and certainly not a patch on earlier V8 Ferraris (the engine itself was wonderful in operation though). The inability to drive the car on a constant throttle at motorway speeds drove me nuts I.e. it was always either on or off the throttle. This was only ever fixed with the 488 onwards… Personally wouldn’t have another one and the game has moved on somewhat since. Always think the comments and support of this car was a bit ‘Emperors New Clothes’ - being blasphemy to criticise the greatest ever sounding V8. Na, not for me; if you really what the greatest engine, then buy yourself a pre GPF 812SF…. Mines not going anywhere soon (god willing)…. Edited to add, I’d definitely have another 488 over a 458; that’s was a car I still miss and wish I hadn’t sold.

@MrGB1999

Жыл бұрын

Agree except any argument that favours the V12. 90s / early 00s Ferrari V8s is the best exhaust note (and intake sound) of them all.

Great video, I do like the 458 and my dream garage would consist of a Speciale along with an F12 tdf. Car Guys videos may have played a part in that…

Sound, looks, reliability. Haven't driven one so can't comment on the driver engagement/emotion. But based on the first 3 alone, its a winner.

Is this the one filmed by stowe? Been waiting for this! My mate said “ he saw some bloke in a layby in a Hawaiian shirt with a camera and a yellow Ferrari “ 😂

Gel plates are illegal

A true youtuber always looking and going to greater heights for his audience once he decimated Abarth fans he set his sights on bigger and better goals. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

When JayEmm complains about a car not being perfect, you just know he's driving a good one, regardless of the niggles. I want it more now ...

“It doesn’t really excite” sums it up well. A few years ago I was certain that this was going to be my first Ferrari until I drove a couple. I felt less of an emotional connection to it than my other sports cars in the garage and left the experience feeling flat and wanting something else. Some friends pointed to the Scud and within the first mile I knew it was the car for me. If the 458 was my only sports car, it would be the more capable and better all rounder. But for those fortunate to have other options, it just isn’t a special enough experience.

The only part of the review I agree with the rear view from the 458, it is not very good. If you buy one, get the back up camera. Otherwise, Jay is way off on everything else.

I've actually come to prefer the bassy sound of a turbocharged or supercharged engine but only if they aren't choked out by a closed air box and recirculating bypass valve. I love to hear whine of a supercharger and the turbo spool and discharge to atmosphere with a blow off valve but not if it has that chu chu sound of the air going backwards against the compressor wheel.

This is called “car reviewer disease”…they all suffer from it sooner or later All the best to everyone

I gotta disagree with this one. My best friend has one and this is definitely one of the most emotional cars I have ever sat in. He put a full carbon manifold + exhaust and this car is just next level.

Thanks J, over or underrated, I don't think many people would say no to that car! 🙏🙏

Totally disagree that 458 is overrated. I think no one is qualified to make such remarks about 458 ( or any other car for that matter) without actually owning it, living with it and driving it over a period of time. And, having the privilege/opportunity of owning multiple super cars from various manufacturers at the same time, to be able to compare them with the 458 Italia. There is no other Ferrari out there which ticks the boxes which the 458 does: 1- Last Pininfarina Designed V8 Ferrari. Regarded by most Ferraristas as one of the best looking modern Ferrari to date. 2- Last Naturally Aspirated V8 by Ferrari, revving up to 9000 rmp. 3- Cult Following globally 4- V8 Sound 5- Build quality far better than any previous Ferrari. Period. 6- More drivable than ANY previous Ferrari . Period. 7- Excellent Factory warranty and 7 year free service plan. Better than anything Ferrari had offered for previous models 8- F1 Technology etc etc etc. If Ferrari 458 Italia is not a better car in every single aspect, than any of its predecessor than is it the 488 GTB? or F8 Tributo? I know what most of my car friends think about the turbo charged Ferraris based upon the 458 Platform...

I wish I could say I own a 355, but sadly I can only afford it's JDM tribute, the Mk2 Toyota MR2 turbo. Some say it's the best driver's car (for the money).

The most clickbated title i have ever seen

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

Not really.

@purple-porker

Жыл бұрын

The most? You must be new to the internet.

@thomasparkins6749

Жыл бұрын

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

@@purple-porker it's not even clickbait, it's just facts.

@richardharrold9736

Жыл бұрын

@@jafooli nah, the Scud is legitimately a much more exciting car. The 458 is dull, sterile and fugly.

Much prefer yellow than red

@joshuaholman7760

Жыл бұрын

All the best Ferraris colors are never red. A red Ferraris is too contrived and played out at this point.

@sh-hg4eg

Жыл бұрын

Verde

At 18:25 it shows a heated front and rear screen, does it have a heated screen? Or does it just turn on the blowers and direct any heat to the screen?

Its my favorite post 2000 mid engined V8 Ferrari.Styling is less fussy and overall drive experience is just incredible.Only major criticism is placement of the battery behind the footwell on the passenger side.

The only problem with the 458 is the lack of them in a nice blue colour.

Excellent review James. I got to drive the 458 for many laps around Dunsfold where I was encouraged to drive it quite hard, at the time I thought it was the best car I had ever driven, which it was in all fairness. We purchased a 12c as the 458 was out of our budget(I still think they command a price way way more than they are worth), after driving the 12c I personally think it smashes the 458 in every department, it has a much more luxurious interior, it’s considerably quicker, it’s more comfortable to drive, has good storage(similar to the 458) and it’s never going to beat the 12c on a track. I do think the 458 sounds good though and I also think it’s a very good looking car from the outside. If they were available for say 50k less than what they are fetching now, then I think they would be an excellent choice or worth looking at, but as you do rightly say there are much better cars out there for the money, the 650 being one but also I would also say the 12c and by a good stretch too.

@christschool

Жыл бұрын

The 12 c is trash.

@supercaradventures2219

Жыл бұрын

@@christschool everybody is entitled to an opinion 😉

@TheZingoBreli

Жыл бұрын

Why he didn't mention anything about the reliability of the 458 engine and the Maclaren?

Ok we will meet at Stonehenge and fight to the death

I always thought the 458 sounded great. And I still do.

Thank you James - wonderful piece. I fully get the 650s comment but as you said it the shot was the triple layered yellow 458 driving away and it just looked special - I don’t think the McLaren brand is quite their yet - and I know we’re talking about intangibles here but they count as you’ll doubtless agree - thanks again, wonderful.

@JayEmmOnCars

Жыл бұрын

I would forgive anyone who bought a 458

Jay, the 458 in its stock form does not measure up to the 430 Scuderia in some respects; however, with only a few mods you could hit this car way out of the ballpark! It's not the fastest thing on the road, but it does have character. Thanks for mentioning Damian and his drive every Ferrari quest, I love his channel!

@nerowolf8006

Жыл бұрын

Which mods elevate the car in your opinion?

@jafooli

Жыл бұрын

@@nerowolf8006 I've owned 2. The carbon seats on the 2nd made it feel like a different car. Feels more track focused.

@nerowolf8006

Жыл бұрын

@@jafooli thanks for the reply. Thats not really a mod though right? Can it be retrofitted or does one need to find a car that had that option originally

@jafooli

Жыл бұрын

@@nerowolf8006 Yeah, not a mod. Can be retro'd, but apparently it will mess with the electrics. I just swapped to another car with better spec.

@nerowolf8006

Жыл бұрын

@@jafooli makes sense

Of all youtubers I’d guess you’d be the one saying this, yes. 😊 On the steering, are u sure all cars had the exact correct toe/alignment? Just some mm’s off makes a world of difference, and of ALL 2nd hand cars I’ve bought NONE had the correct toe.

@BigUriel

Жыл бұрын

Tyres also make a massive difference. Bothers me a bit how reviewers never mention this. A car with great steering can feel like shit if it's not aligned properly or has crap tyres. Also in older cars you have to consider how worn all the steering and suspension bushes might be. It's like complaining about brake feel on a car with some Halfords brake pads and 15 year old brake fluid.

@JayEmmOnCars

Жыл бұрын

I do believe the cars alignment had been done recently, and it was on PS4S I am sure. I will mention tyres if I think they are to blame but here they are not. The issue is that the power steering has too much assistance at too high a speed - only beyond 70 does it weight up but I want that at 50

Bizarre comment on the looks. the vast, vast majority reacted to the 458 with relief that they had gone back to building really good looking, beautiful cars after the dog's breakfast that was the 430: a cra that only looks passable from one angle, and downright ugly from most.

@Sean-if7rp

Жыл бұрын

Some have the complete opposite opinion

@JayEmmOnCars

Жыл бұрын

I don't think saying the F430 is ugly (I agree) is the same as the 458 being beautiful

I just test drove a 2013 458 couple days ago and I totally agree with you. Although it’s a very nice ride but it didn’t get me as excited as I was hoping. The dealership is calling me back to come get the car but I am having 2nd thought.

Thanks for saving me a 5ver on carvertical. Cleared up a finance issue on a car were looking at

That Giallo Triplo Strato paint. Man, it's gorgeous. I found myself going head over heels with this kind of multi-layered yellow. Giallo Triplo Strato, Giallo Orion, AMG Solarbeam and so forth. They are gorgeous.

@tg14764

Жыл бұрын

Took me 2 years until I found a 458 in Giallo Triplo Strato, worth the wait, but damn they're hard to find in the used market. It's my favorite ferrari color by far.

@AntoniusTyas

Жыл бұрын

@@tg14764 no surprise, triple-layer paints are expensive. I remember TopGear did a twin test between 458 and 12C. The 458 got the Giallo Triplo Strato paint, quoted at GBP11k. That was 2011.

I'd like to see you review a C8 Corvette and compare it to the 458 which the C8 dev engineers used as their benchmark.

Depends what you want from your Ferrari, but look at it. Just LOOK AT IT!!! 😍😍😍 Admit it, you can see Tom Selleck drifting away from a standstill in one of these.

Does it seem like the audio is just a tad fast to anyone else?

I remember that Vicky Butler-Henderson was almost moved to tears when she drove it on 5th Gear or Top Gear.

Maybe you're right but I'm sure I'd love to rate it let alone over rate! Great channel, all the best Jay, Merry Christmas 🤶

Would love to see your opinion on the 296. Some people seem to think it's the successor to the 458

I've noticed that car journalists mostly praise new Ferrari models when new, but eventually get around to trashing them when newer models come out.

In the US/China/Korea/most of South East Asia it is perhaps more forgiving, but in the UK/most of Europe/Japan/Hong Kong, you basically become a butler or a custodian once you buy a Ferrari, you need the perfect service record from designated shops, and need historian/curator level of knowledge to be able to pass your car to the next buyer and/or stay associated with Ferrari, perhaps I'm a bit exaggerating, but you get my gist

Coming up soon, Does the 458 Spyder fix all my issues with the 458?

@jameswillard1

Жыл бұрын

No, it just adds weight, rattles, and chassis flex🤦🏻‍♂️

@RumblestripDotNet

Жыл бұрын

​@@jameswillard1 It's not a Maserati GranTourismo, at any speed not going to jail immediately you wouldn't notice any scuttle shake. Is your butt dyno so finely tuned you can notice a 2% increase in weight with 570 horsepower on tap? What better way to enjoy the sound of a Ferrari than not to engulfed in a cage, but hear it al fresco.

I was working on a grow & the cartel was up the road, they had this very loud ferrari i could only speculate cause you couldnt see the road cause of the tree line. I dubbed it the yellow ferrari

If Ferrari offered the 458 with a manual transmission when in production, it would be regarded as one of their very best offerings ever, at any price point. The likely few that would've been outfitted with such a transmission would already be demanding an eye-watering premium vs. the original price as-new. Either way... I love this car just the way it is.

Scud is a hard act to follow. I'd have a manual 430 as a contender keeper.

Just subscribed you get the format perfect.

previous generation prius TRD in japan stiffens chassis, suspension etc to improve how much speed can be carried around turns without fishtailing as easily. consider doing such a thing except with a communicative steering , same with brakes and maybe even pedal, to allow knowing how close to grip limit one is so he can learn to steering steadily and minimize braking while doing it steadily, for longevity of fuel, engine oil, hybrid battery, tires, brakes, etc. consider the new cheaper but also pearl white prius prime, then a ttoyota trueno corolla ae86 paint job similar to the one from the popular anime story, which is about a guy who tries making fun with his front wheel drive easily affordable box in his delivery job. hand painted black letters appaerance liek the ones on that car, maybe with a lack lower area with a wrap, just as a reference to that concept except with a bit more of a art appeal within bounds of simplicity.

Loved the F40 (thecarguys) I went in, had a lovely run out in it. Superb iconic car. Hopefully out in an F50 this year if we can. 458 yes love it, the speciale I've been in is superb. Not been out in a standard, but it's got to be better than a 488. The pista I went to le man's in was super quick but dead in engine noise...looked the nuts but lacked a little sparkle.

Its underrated.. The 458 was a orgasm Edit: (still is) on wheels when it came out..

"Lacking what I'm looking for"... you're an automotive journalist, you're jaded, you'll always have something to complain about whether you care to admit it or not. Complaining about a car that most everyone loves creates controversy and therefore increases views and subscriptions. Well done. The 458 is a sexy and exhilarating package on 4 wheels with its share of quirks, some of which can be taken care of with aftermarket mods. The 650S is just another quiet, boring, and unreliable McLaren that's great at going very fast for a highly depreciated price (before factoring in the required extended warranty). It will never be the last naturally aspirated mid-engined V8 supercar that revs to 9000 RPM. Maybe in a couple of years when you do yet another 458 review, you'll come to understand why they're still so loved.

Great review. I'd love to see the 650S now :)

This and the 488 to me are among the most beautiful Ferraris ever! Most say the Speciale is the one to get over the stock. I never tested any of them. But I would still buy it because I hardly believe it's bad and just because of looks and because it's the last NA V8 Ferrari! 250 GT Lusso 430 Spider Manual 458 Spider Portofino 812 GTS Purosangue La Ferrari Aperta All on my list! 😅

I remember when the 458 hit the showrooms- I stopped in on a lark to look at one, and surprisingly, I fit in it! (Being 6' 4" limits what I can drive) So years later, I bought it's great grandchild, the F8 Tributo!

I love the 458 its my dream car but i do get why some people do not but i just L.O.V.E it💯💯💯

Quite a surprise this is. Yikes, I mistakenly thought the acclaim from those who owned or had driven them for days (not a few laps in Las Vegas) was consistently positive. Thanks for the comments from those qualified.

I predict 348 prices shifting. I think it's such a beautiful car, and sounds great too. In terms of styling, I thought the 458 was the next beautiful Ferrari. I'm trying to remember whether J reviewed the Speciale. Well done to J for questioning what many had accepted as Gospel.

The problem is the 458 Italia is the perfect everyday Ferrari. Reliable, adaptable and with low maintenance. If I could own just one Ferrari it would be the 458 and in a spec similar to the one you just drove 👌

@MrGB1999

Жыл бұрын

Low maintenance... Don't kid yourself! They can attract very, very hefty bills.

@v6clio22

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@@MrGB1999 they are low maintenance compared to what came before. It's only in the event something goes wrong which is quite rare you'll be paying Ferrari prices, unless you have a good warranty in place.

The fact it doesn't have any scoops is the reason I think this is the most recent best looking ferrari. Its been downhill from here. And look at them now? Awful.

Does anyone else feel put off by JayEmm ‘s video titles? Always on the negative side rather than positive - always! About cars that others love/rave about. I’m assuming just click bait to get views with controversial titles but for me it actually puts me off watching someone searching for the negative aspect.

@rizzrazz

10 ай бұрын

100%. Totally nonsense opinion from someone who thinks what they say is hallowed gospel! Absolutely wrong on all accounts on this car. Universally favoured and loved, the 458 is an iconic modern Ferrari.

The back of the 458 looks like Sid the Sloth out of IceAge. Put em side by side you'll never be able to unsee it

Purist here, and imo ANY sports/super car that doesn't have 3 pedals is overrated. The last truly timeless Ferraris were the 550/456/360 generation of cars. Not just in looks, but because real manual transmission cars were still far more common and not outright unavailable. A big part of what made these types of cars so cool and exclusive to me back in the day was that it took more than just money to own and drive one. You had to know how to drive. I remember being a kid and hoping that I'd do well at learning to operate a manual transmission so that I could one day drive my dream cars. The fact that that is gone forever makes these things entirely uninteresting to me, outside of some video entertainment, for which I thank you JayEmm!

I absolutely love the 458 having had a test drive round the back lanes near goodwood. However - they aren't good value rising in price well above £100k!

I have to agree with Jayem. The 458 power plants gives you no more juice after 8000 rpm. And the car does not feel planted at the rear as it should be.

After having a coupe and now a spider, I have to say if anything it's underrated and people don't realise how bloody amazing this car is. Perfect mixture of modernity with some old school naturally aspirated heaven thrown into the mix.

I have to say the first time I saw one in the metal it was jaw drop stunning, even more than the 430. I would love to drive both.

I drove one for a few laps so admittedly not road use. I found the dsg at low speeds jerky and aekward. I also felt it lacked a little power . Sounds strange but usually on NA cars theres a point on high revs where it rewards you for it but not on this. Sounds amazing and easy to drive. It didnt ever scare me though. Still lovely but for £160k i just feel its not quite as great as its drummed up to be. Your review reflected my experience of it. Kind of an 8/10 supercar. Very very good but just lacking the cherry on the cake feeling

@adampetten5349

Жыл бұрын

0-100 in 3.2? Lacking power? You must drive racecars regularly. The 570 bhp didn't reward you at 9000?

@bazmina

Жыл бұрын

@@adampetten5349 Maybe I phrased that wrong 🤣. Its obviously not lacking for power. What I meant was usually theres a boost like its hit another power bracket at the top end of the rev range in each gear in a high revving NA which rewards you. I didnt get that sensation. It's also not 570bhp. It's in the high 400s. Hopefully that explains my point though

@adampetten5349

Жыл бұрын

@@bazmina High 400's?

@adampetten5349

Жыл бұрын

@@bazmina wrong dynos don't take away from acceleration being consistent with at least 540 bhp. It is difficult to replicate ram air on dynamometer. ECU requires 4 wheel dyno.

@adampetten5349

Жыл бұрын

@@bazmina Funny, I saw a stock speciale dyno 600 at the wheels. 488 actually made 675-685..compared to 650s at 700-710 and 720s at 775-785. 765lt is 815lt in reality.

For me I love this car because of childhood nostalgia. A car I always chose in games and a car that was the poster child of the one mobile game I played way too much on my iPod touch, asphalt 6.

Why do you need a 4 point safety harness seat belt for the Ferrari 458 Italia with the carbon fibre seats?

“It never rewards for revving it to the red line.” Words fail me!

Without sounding negative, I wonder if you could give your opinion on the many videos which show engine fires in Ferraris. Is a design problem or the way people treat them? I am actually a fan of the earlier designs of Ferrari as you show in this model.

@rjj00

Жыл бұрын

I think you mean McLaren...

J, you bring up the 650, but I would ask the question; how is it dealing with the company for things like warranty, etc? I understand from previous videos that you haven't exactly been 100% happy with Maclaren.

My personal preference is the 360, prefer ferraris to look curvy and elegant than overly aggressive.

@JayEmmOnCars

Жыл бұрын

The 360 has aged very well

The reason it’s not exciting you is because you keep short shifting it. It loves revs. Just about every car you test, you semi give it some and potter around on engine braking. You need a bit of private road or a track to get a proper idea of what this thing can do. I’ve drove one of these and absolutely rung it’s neck. It’s most alive at the top of the rev range.

@JayEmmOnCars

Жыл бұрын

You're making the assumption because you didn't see it that I didn't do it

Up there with James statements regarding the E46 M3. :D I disagree wholeheartedly, i think the 458 Italia is a marvelous machine, shame it didn't come with a gated shifter.

one of the best looking ferraris that ferrari went on to produce other cars influenced by the 458s design, true that some angles wont win hearts. the ultra quick steering too is a reminder of michael schumachers input on the car for quick on the limit corrections. easily the best sounding v8 engine ferrari and one of the highest horsepower per liter ever produced and the gearbox is out of trend today but it was state of the art durings its day...definitely not overrated

You should try the run out Speciale version of the 458.

I mean the 458 is know to be a great sounding car + listen to it with custom exhaust and that's perfect