The thing is, with Crosby, Malkin and Letang all having NMCs - its not really even up to management to rebuild at this point. And with them all still playing at a high level, the trade makes sense. The rebuild was going to be brutal whether they traded for EK or not. Let's have some fun

@astrobot3038

Жыл бұрын

And they could probably regain the picks they gave up for Karlsson if they flip him in the next few seasons. Unless he shits the bed in Pittsburgh.

@jfkst1

Жыл бұрын

It's up to ownership and FSG doesn't want to rebuild so case closed. If Dubas started putting them into a rebuild, they would fire him and hire someone that won't.

@jsebby2284

Жыл бұрын

@astrobot3038 agreed - maybe not the full cost but theyd get something. I have no issues with trade at all. The Pens will most likely never have a core like Crosby/Malkin/Letang again - try to capitalize on their final years as much as possible. The rebuild was going to suck no matter what - keeping a 1st and 2nd wouldn't of changed that. Sure it might add a year or two - but that's worth it to be competitive now imo

@jsebby2284

Жыл бұрын

@jfkst1 I agree FSG doesn't want to - and they shouldn't. My point was even if FSG wanted to rebuild, what kind of rebuild are you doing when you can't trade Crosby/Malkin/Letang ya know?

@JohnSmith-jb2jf

Жыл бұрын

@@astrobot3038 No chance they recoup that. He'll be 35 when they'd part with him, with a 10M AAV for 2 more years. He's gonna be worse from here and more injured too.

Putting off a rebuild to chase One Last Cup always works out great... Sincerely, -Detroit Red Wings Fans.

@BvG_Venom

Жыл бұрын

It worked in 2008 lol. Even the 2002 team was pretty old.

@severed111

Жыл бұрын

@@BvG_Venom It almost worked the next year too, Pittsburgh were trailing 3-1 but somehow managed to come back from that and win...that was the last year where being just "ok" didn't pan out for Chris Osgood. I'll always remember those 2 playoffs as the Marian Hossa was in the wrong team twice in a row....should really have stayed in PIT another year LOL.

@BvG_Venom

Жыл бұрын

@severed111 nah it was 2-2. The only road win was game 7 in DET. Det won gm 5 5-0 and I thought it was over lol. Kids pulled off a comeback

@severed111

Жыл бұрын

@@BvG_Venom You're right, I wasn't sure, but I knew Detroit disappointed me when I was sure they were gonna win. It's been a while.

@bighubbz7866

Жыл бұрын

​@@severed111It worked out for Hossa in the end. 3 rings, as many as Crosby has... for now

It’s pretty ironic that EK wanted to be traded to a cup contending team, and gets traded to the same exact team situation that the sharks were in when EK first arrived in SJ, long contacts, plenty of NMCs, cap trouble, aging players, etc. Although, SJ didn’t have players on the caliber of Crosby and Malkin. Gonna be an interesting couple seasons for Pittsburgh.

@WilliamStewart1

Жыл бұрын

San Jose didn't have the roster the Pens do, or the pedigree. Big difference imo. Not to mention Karlsson is quite fond of Sid.

@Dude_bro21

Жыл бұрын

All due respect to jumbo?Different level of talent entirely and it is not really close. Hall of very good vs the HOF. Also, the future does not exist for the Pens. Not until we inevitably draft the next generational talent who moves in with Sid.

@robotfox1987

Жыл бұрын

Dubas traded most of the aging players with terrible contracts, the only guy who was unmovable was jeff carter and i legit think he is going to be benched

@thomasw3285

11 ай бұрын

Also, SJ was great in EK's first year. The goal here is just 2 more years with the window open. Everyone is on board, knowing the Pens rebuild will be long and ugly. And it was all worth it.

@MacAttack1776

11 ай бұрын

If you were trying to directly contradict yourself in a single paragraph… you succeeded

Reminds me of the Wings continuing to try winning with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall. If they pull it off good on them, but seems more likely to make an eventual rebuild more difficult.

@Aezetyr

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what they are doing, and it SUUUCKS when it fails. Wings are still in their rebuild after what... 4 years? Long ways to go yet.

@soulofthemedley

Жыл бұрын

@@Aezetyr that's right. don't forget the 2 punishment years beforehand

@brendan859

Жыл бұрын

@@Aezetyr Yeah, I’d even put it closer to 7 years. Essentially restarted the rebuild when Yzerman jumped onboard. Haven’t had a realistic shot at the Cup since Lidstrom retired.

@MikeG82

Жыл бұрын

Crosby, Malkin, Letang are better than those guys were late in their careers

@severed111

Жыл бұрын

Sid, Malkin and Karlsson are a tier higher up than all three of these. I could see PIT signing a defensively solid available D with the money they cleared, I don't think it's over. Had Letang not had a freaking mini-stroke and a regular injury and Jarry stayed in shape not giving DeSmith so many games, they likely would have made playoffs, they only didn't because FLA started playing playoffs mode in late February until the rest of the season after Keith Tkachuk openly criticized the team. I think sometimes Lemieux should inject some commentary to fan the flames of victory for his group of birds.

As long as sid is still sid keep going

@johannespitkamaki1369

Жыл бұрын

Hes your only attacker that can score? When he gets injured or finished its over

@DanielC__

Жыл бұрын

@@johannespitkamaki1369Malkin is still there plus Guentzal, not too shabby

@thomy1955

Жыл бұрын

@@johannespitkamaki1369 Malkin? Guentzel? Rakell? Smith?

@FUCKTHEFASCISTSCONTROLLINGYT

Жыл бұрын

@@johannespitkamaki1369 They also just picked up a guy that would've led their team in scoring last year. I don't know if you heard. Lol. Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Rakell, Smith, Rust, Karlsson, Letang. Not too shabby.

@vipeholmskolan6052

Жыл бұрын

This!

As a Pens fan, I love it. Will the inevitable fall two, three, four years down the line be brutal? Absolutely. As a fan, do I care? Not remotely. As long as this core is in place, I want them all in. This core has brought us Pens fans so much joy, and honestly? Even if they don't win it all, I'm jazzed to watch this core play hockey with Karlsson. If nothing else, Pens games should be a wild ride going forward!

Should Pittsburgh be starting a rebuild? Yes, probably. But as long as Crosby and Malkin and Letang are playing, the goal has to be to try and get them one more run at a championship. Erik Karlsson, if healthy, can help with that.

@SamtheBravesFan

Жыл бұрын

I do agree with that factor; you've still got your favorites around after a long time. Enjoy them while you can, THEN you can rebuild. Nothing wrong with that.

@mikedufour4829

Жыл бұрын

penguins without or without karlsson arent winning a playoff series so it a horrible move

@astrobot3038

Жыл бұрын

I don't think you're wrong, but to play devil's advocate, if Chicago kept trying with Kane and Toews, they wouldn't have landed Bedard.

@mikedufour4829

Жыл бұрын

@@astrobot3038 to be fair with hawks situation toews just couldn't do it anymore, which kinda pushed them in the direction they went

@user-su2tg2io3x

Жыл бұрын

You do have a point just as long as they keep their draft picks and no more trades for older players they just can’t go down like the Redwings did when they had basically a team of old men their still suffering from that mistake a long time ago

Didn't even talk about Guentzel also being on the team as one of their best players. He is only getting better too. Should be an exciting season!

As a wings fan, we did the same. They'll pay the piper eventually but, I hope, at the very least, they can give Sid another chance to go on a deep run. Not a big fan of some of Dubas' moves but, the dude has cahones for adding Karlsson given his past health. Health is key for most teams but, I think it will be a premium factor in how well the Pens will do. Prep for the worst, hope for the best.

@christopherrego8706

Жыл бұрын

Could say same thing about the Blackhawks

Have to imagine that one of Marcus Petterson or Ryan Graves will be stapled to Karlsson’s side as the defensive presence, with the other playing with Letang.

@georgeblair3894

Жыл бұрын

This made me LOL. Out loud. Very, very true.

If you’re going to suck in a couple of years anyway, why not go all in?

@pipoj5

Жыл бұрын

They are gona suck longer than if they would have started a rebuild

@jacked6

Жыл бұрын

I love what the Sharks did. They are now piling up lots of draft capital for the next couple years and giving lots of young guys a chance now.

@catmelvin997

Жыл бұрын

kinda ya like if they traded for better pieces now instead going all in they would probably just end up being mediocre instead of bad in the near future and missing out on key picks

Thanks to people like you Shannon I'm doing a hockey trip across the US and Canada.

@timhenderson9794

Жыл бұрын

Love to see it

Crosby and Malkin both were a PPG last year. Neither missed a game. I do wonder how the PP will shake out.

Sid is still one of the very best players in the game, Geno and Letang was really good last season as well. Problem was bottom six. All in for another cup!

The thing is you can’t rebuild with the core they have, the only option is to go all in while you have Crosby, Malkin and Letang

@thomasw3285

11 ай бұрын

Exactly, it was this or watch the team slowly wither.

@haysbrickell9579

11 ай бұрын

Dubas is doing it right. Roll the dice by getting Karlsson and see what happens the next 2 years. After that, it's not hard to picture Pittsburg in a long, slow, irreversible decline as they attempt to rebuild, or at least retool. In 2016, San Jose was in the SC final. In 2024, they likely will be the worst team in the league. Chicago won 3 cups between 2010 and 2015. Since then they have yet to get out of the 1st round and in '23 were an abysmal 26-49-7. At least some decline seems inevitable even for the best of teams.

I think Jarry is the Achilles heel of this team, and a cup win is very unlikely as long as he's the #1 goalie. Hopefully Dubas has one more move to make there.

@robotfox1987

Жыл бұрын

He needs to be healthy, thats the thing He’s close to proving himself to be a good goalie when perfectly healthy but staying healthy has been a huge issue for him, when he’s playing hurt you can really tell

@jsebby2284

Жыл бұрын

He just gave Jarry a big contract. They aren't making any changes there

The Pens don't have many prospects in their system. The easier route is to double down on Crosby and Malkin when they can still play...

They are taking a big gamble

@xgetfightedxxx

Жыл бұрын

well calculated too...shipping off 3 turds and acquiring Karlsson for less than those 3 turds made, Im in. The bigger gamble would have been standing pat.

@Toastactical

Жыл бұрын

@@xgetfightedxxx as a pens fan I’m a big fan of the trade but I am glad the the pens were able to get rid of the players that they didn’t want. And also acquiring a top teir defencemen. But if Karlsson doesn’t live up to the expectation… it won’t be good

When you have those generational greats in the twilight of their careers, you owe them and your fans another couple of runs, it's simple

@mikedufour4829

Жыл бұрын

it's a bussiness you don't owe the players anything but there salary lol

@ryanlauzon177

Жыл бұрын

@@mikedufour4829maybe if we’re talking about your team, but the impact these 3 have had in Pittsburgh is immeasurable and they’re the real son they’ve stayed competitive. They’ve been the goats for 15 yrs

@JarradBruessel32

Жыл бұрын

​@@ryanlauzon177yeah ask detroit how that works.... we did the same.... it didn't go well

@peterolbrisch8970

Жыл бұрын

Players don't win championships, organizations win championships and can you tell where I'm from?

@ryanlauzon177

Жыл бұрын

@@JarradBruessel32 Detroit didn’t have Sidney Crosby

Happy Birthday and Best Wishes to Sid the Kid. Because face it, even when Sid looks as old Gandalf, he'll still be known as Sid the Kid.

@petrograd4068

Жыл бұрын

He's more Sad the Dad now...

@robertalenrichter

Жыл бұрын

Who is Gandalf?

@toriamansfield2999

Жыл бұрын

@@robertalenrichter the White Wizard in LoTR films.

@chrismdb5686

Жыл бұрын

​@@toriamansfield2999or Grey depending on which you're viewing

Not to really venture off topic but ironically just yesterday I was trying to find videos and info on why Crosby has/had been viewed as a whiner, why people had had this negative view of him (long time hockey fan, but I mostly focus on the Avs, so there are some things I’m not as familiar with with other teams). I found an old video from you from six years ago talking about that. Not only was it insightful, but it also showed me just how much your channel has improved over the years. i’m a new subscriber, really, so I wasn’t familiar with your older stuff. And while it wasn’t a bad video for sure, I’m just so impressed with how much you have improved your presentation in all kinds of ways. This channel has to be one of if not THE premier NHL talk and analysis channels around. Keep up the great work!

As a penguins fan, i wish other hockey fans understood that our main concern is trying to win a Stanley cup while making sure a core retires with the pens. We don't wanna see Crosby letang or malkin in any other jersey. If that means giving up some of our future, then so be it.

@StevenAbootman

Жыл бұрын

sharks fans get this with jumbo and marleau having a similar effect to the team without the (overall) success. the hard part is the last but of the twilight years where the team will bet heavy in a "one more shot" kind of deal which will hurt later on. makes sense though on all accounts

@jma.87

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I get that and at least you're at peace with a 6+ year rebuild most likely. We'll see what happens with their last few shots, should be entertaining at least

@MDK2_Radio

Жыл бұрын

I have to dispute that notion because while I certainly understand the desire, you got to have younger talent (and I mean all star talent) to help deliver it at this point and I don't see who they have who's that good. Back in the 00's and early 10's Detroit remained contenders despite the retirements of Yzerman and many of the guys who won them their late 90's early 00's Cups because there were both veteran leaders available to fill those roles and younger skaters who were also great coming up. Karlsson potentially can be Pittsburgh's Lidstrom, but who is their Datsyuk and Zetterberg? That said getting him is a move that I like, one that says both that they're looking at regaining relevance now and looking a bit to the future, but they really need to find those younger players and I think tying up that much salary to the old core is much more of a nostalgia/loyalty move than one that will make them contend.

@severed111

Жыл бұрын

@@MDK2_Radio Malkin is better than Datsyuk, and I'm a huge Datsyuk/Detroit fan, Malkin is a 100+ capable SECOND CENTRE still at his age, Datsyuk never had a 100 points season, close to, but none. Guentzel is of the same caliber as Zetterberg. Let's see, Sam Poulin was ready to come back in March last season but of course they waited, if he does well in camp/pre-season, he will have a chance of becoming an excellent 2-way forward with some annoyance factor to him (like his father Patrick Poulin was). Poulin and Pickering could find themselves in the team so they could have some young blood showing up whom had little chance of having a try so far, especially Poulin with whatever his personal issues were.

I’m nervous, but excited.

@carparthero

Жыл бұрын

karlsson and letang will have their own separate pairings; and karlsson will help PIT's powerplay. another plus from the trade is that PIT got younger (shipping out petry and taking in karlsson) and also got rid of backlund. it'll be a dogfight with CAR/NJD/NYR and NYI for p-off spots, but i think after today, PIT got better equipped to compete for the p-off's. cheers 🍻 from southern ontario, canada 🇨🇦

As someone who grew up with Crosby’s career as long as Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are playing we are gonna try and win and I’m all for it. As penguins fans we have been some of the most blessed sports fans ever throughout the past 20 years. Rebuild is gonna be ugly no matter what, so let’s make it worth it.

My fellow Red Wings fans know exactly how this ends. They just added 2 more year onto their next rebuild

@hok627

Жыл бұрын

F it, we ball

@outdoorsman909

Жыл бұрын

There’s no point in tearing the team down when Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are still playing. They didn’t stick around for a rebuild.

@hok627

Жыл бұрын

@@outdoorsman909 totally. Chance to win a 4th cup and beat the hawks cup count is worth it

@maxbolton5227

Жыл бұрын

One of the few cores in NHL history that have won 3 cups. Its an incredible luxury and would be a shame not to take advantage of it, even if it messes up a rebuild down the road

@derick-smith

Жыл бұрын

Fellow Red Wings fan here, champagne is worth a little heart ache

as long as the aging core is still playing at a high level it makes sense to kick the can down the road on the rebuild, curious to see how they do this season

Love the videos Shannon! Go Sabres and can’t wait for the season

That creaking on the Penguins bench, is not from the bench being made of wood! Buffalo, Ottawa or Detroit may foil Pittsburgh's making the play offs.

@steveg1054

Жыл бұрын

There is a flip side to that coin.... - Sens Fan here.

This team reminds me of the early 2010s Red Wings

@jasondarwood8225

11 ай бұрын

When Pittsburgh finally goes into a rebuild...it's NOT going to be pretty!

Ironically this Penguins team reminds me of the Sharks team who traded for EK. Lots of aged core players trying to have a few more kicks at the can. In hindsight, the EK trade for SJ dramatically slowed down their rebuild. Obviously you’re not gonna trade Crosby and Geno and start an early rebuild but this deal will make the rebuild even more difficult for them.

@gabrielproulx6316

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure trading all their draft picks for the "one more run" mirage will do wonders for the rebuild... in terms of rebuild longevity. That 2025 2nd round pick the Habs basically got from the Pens in exchange for nothing? The Pens will not make the playoffs that year. Potentially juicy pick.

@buhay-canada

Жыл бұрын

​@@gabrielproulx6316... I totally agree with you. There are gonna be a lot of dark years for Pens fans.

@Fishweed

Жыл бұрын

SJ kinda got a damaged EK in that trade so things couldve been more different if he wasnt that banged up. lets just hope all these older men keeps healthy =)

@zacharydirosa9096

Жыл бұрын

​@@buhay-canadau act like pens fans don't expect that tf🤣

@MrVisde

Жыл бұрын

100% Deja vu here. Karlsson joining Marleau, Thornton, Pavelski, and Burns to make a run for the Cup. SJ held onto Thornton and Marleau too long until their skills declined.

Your vids are sick man, keep it up! I love it all.

Considering UrinatingTree’s video earlier this year about the Penguins, he probably isn’t going to be too happy with this move

@gabrielproulx6316

Жыл бұрын

I think he's pissed off. The Pens finally changed management, only for the new GM (who failed in Toronto) to immediately double down on bad habits.

@benoitrobitaille5235

Жыл бұрын

Either way its good for Business for Utree, with a rebuild there is absolutely no drama he could farm for views. Now with the double down, Dubas and Karlsson, positively or negatively, he will have a lot to shit post about for the next couple years on the pens.

@markb8160

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielproulx6316a pens fan being pissed at this move most likely means you’re not a pens fan. Adding one of the best d men in the league if not the best to a team with Crosby Malkin and Letang should instantly make them a playoff contender

@WilliamStewart1

Жыл бұрын

@@markb8160 Some people aren't capable of critical thought it seems, probably children.

@robotfox1987

Жыл бұрын

@@WilliamStewart1theres a difference between critical thinking and just constantly being skeptical of your team and never enjoying anything they do, utree legit is always harder on pittsburgh teams he’s the guy who said pekka rinne is too good right now lmao The penguins have legit no choice, if you want to smear someone for committing to competing smear hextall rather than dubas because he was the one who brought back everybody in the first place

I would like to thank the Penguins for giving NJ Fitz. He learned under the tutelage of Pitt management that has drafted and managed so well over the years and it’s showing here in Nj. Always a competitive smaller market team and if I was not a Devil fan, God forbid, I would be a Pitt fan and then a Carolina fan. Always cheer for the small market!

@Bhutchin09

11 ай бұрын

Pens fan here. Absolutely! Fitz has done a fantastic job. Obviously we’re division rivals but the devils are fun as hell to watch.

Karlsson making more than Crosby is crazy

@cahg3871

Жыл бұрын

Crosby has been on “team friendly” contracts for the duration of his career.

@MDK2_Radio

Жыл бұрын

At this point he's a better player. Not a bash on Crosby at all BTW, I've been following his career since he started being designated as the next generational talent two years before he was eligible for the draft. But he's not contending for any more Harts.

@pootytang1120

Жыл бұрын

@@MDK2_Radio ya his last year was good... if he can do it again for the next 4 then its not as crazy. But you can also let Karlsson play like 30 mins+ a game almost so makes sense and he can play with all the lines whenever

@pootytang1120

Жыл бұрын

they will be badass in the playoffs

@pootytang1120

Жыл бұрын

@@cahg3871 truth

Happy birthday Sid 🥳🥳🥳

As a Ducks fan into a 5 year massive decline to the bottom, I do not recommend rushing into a teardown. Better to prolong being competitive and hope you out pick everyone in the draft. Hoping to lose to help the tank is horrible.

Dubas is going to do great things in Pittsburgh. Watch out for these guys.

It's not hard to picture both Pittsburg and Washington being (or already are), at best, borderline WC teams. They have had great runs with Sid and Ovi (have always really liked both of them) and 4 cups between them. But as the saying goes: all good things must come to an end.

pens fan since the Hedberg playoff run where he wore the blue helmet. not sad at all about the trade. i think we might have another cup in us, but even if not, its worth a shot.

I think that Karlsson will help the pens in overtime 3on3 where they struggled to get that extra point

Team is reminding me a lot of the red wings about 10 years. Just trying to make the playoffs and causing long term damage.

@Redwings2010

Жыл бұрын

Agree just feels like my wings seasons from 2014-2016 first round exit nothing more

@MikeG82

Жыл бұрын

were zetterberg and Datsyuk still averaging a PPG just like Crosby and Malkin are?

Crosby, Malkin, Letang & Karlsson will all spend time on the injured list this year...write it down!

@KevinJL

Жыл бұрын

More likely this than winning a cup which still is funny

Let's Go Pens!

Rebuilding went out the window a few years back. There really is only one option now. Go hard and burn bright. =)

There is this cycle of- get lucky at the right time to get the right high picks to build your future core; core develops while the team still gets good talent in their talent pool; the team breaks out and wins a cup or two; keeping the window open would mean giving up some of the potential talents to get wins now; by the end of the window, almost all of the top-end talent was traded away so the rebuild needs to start at the bottom; Chicago did it (drafted the core between 2002 and 2007; won 3 cups; and from 2017 onwards gave up talent to get Kane and Toews a chance to win another cup and only last year Chicago started to hoard picks and prospects), Pens are on this track (near the end, but not in the actual end), Lightning is on this track (probably somewhere in the middle).

Oh... karlsson is a Pen now😮 Im glad i watch this

Selfishly I think it would be amazing to see the boys win one. Especially seeing as they were the young kids going up against the grizzled veterans in Detroit in 08-09. If they won another cup as veterans themselves it would be a poetic ending to an amazing career.

@alexevanoski4588

Жыл бұрын

That Detriot team wasn’t as old as this team. Datsyuk was 30 and zetterberg was 28

This team should be fun to watch

This could be a "Make or Break" team. Not hockey sportwise, but highly relatble to the context - I get into my mind a highly similar case from the NBA back in 1997. Charles Barkley, a MVP league player and fan favourite signed on with Houston Rockets, lead by its back-to-back champions Hakeem Olajuwon & Clyde Drexler in hope he could spurr extra life to win his sought after championship he sought and re-igniting the win fire in Olajuwon & Drexler. Now, that never worked out as all hoped as we now know. Erik Karlson here is Barkley (the seeker) and Sidney Crosbey & Evgeni Malkin are Olajuwon and Drexler (the team's champions who wants a last run at a championship). Erik Karlsson at age 33 is still in his best years and have all the chanses better to win a Cup with the Penguins then the Sharks, but I'm sceptible how much hunger Crosby & Malkin still has in there tanks to go those extra miles to battle for another Cup. They have done it 3 out of 4 times and those battles took there tolles.

The one variable no one can plan for are injuries and with an older line up injuries maybe an issue. Only time will tell but it's a big gamble to me just like Washington's commitment to OV to try and retool instead of rebuild.

As a Capitals fan, we saw last season how injuries can really hit an older team hard. It definitely can happen to the Penguins, too. It's easy to blame injuries for the Capitals missing the playoffs last year, and it is correct to do that. But when you load up your team with guys in their 30s, you're setting your team up to be much more likely to be hit by the injury bug. It's not like injuries are just completely random and if you get hit by injuries like the Capitals did last year, that it's just bad luck. It's kind of like pulling your goaltender in the last minute of the game and then being surprised when the other team scores. Sometimes you're put in a situation where loading up on guys in their 30s and hoping to dodge the injury bug is the path that makes sense. That's what has happened to both the Capitals and the Penguins because of the career paths of Crosby and Ovechkin. The Letang and Karlsson contracts are going to be a pain for Pittsburgh when they look to rebuild in a few years, but at least they didn't give 6.5 million a year for 7 years to Tom Wilson.

@nyern

Жыл бұрын

Man i don't get all the hate for the Wilson contract. Everything points to the salary cap exploding soon it's not going to be a big deal at all

@gabrielrockman

Жыл бұрын

@@nyern It's a similar contract to what Lucic got in 2016, except Lucic was a year younger and his wasn't an extension, so it started right away, whereas Wilson's extension starts in fall 2024. Wilson and Lucic are both dirty physical players, and that type of player tends to not do as well in their 30s. The Lucic contract wasn't a good one, especially near the end of the seven years, and since Wilson will be two years older than Lucic was when his 7 years started, I'm sure that Wilson's decline will start earlier in the 7 years than Lucic's did. I expect Wilson to be hurt or well past his prime for much of the seven years.

@nyern

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielrockman Sure but 6 million AVV in 2016 was 8.2% of the salary cap while Tommy boy is signing for 7.8%. In an era where the cap has been below expected and will be compensating for that as soon as next year. Im not saying it's and amazing contract but it's not bad either, and Lucic is still in the NHL after that contract

@gabrielrockman

Жыл бұрын

@@nyern Yes, but Lucic's contract this year is just 1 million and he's the age that Wilson will be in the second to last year of his extension. Lucic hasn't been worth 6 million a year for a while now.

@nyern

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielrockman in 5-6 years it may be a contract that gets us to the cap floor though 😂

It's the right move to make. Crosby and Malkin are still phenomenal players. You know you can still make one final run at the Cup. The rebuild can happen later. For now, you still make a run at the Cup.

@MDK2_Radio

Жыл бұрын

The rebuild can happen together with retaining the veteran core. I mean, it's three players (four now that they got Karlsson) but what about the future? The Red Wings were able to make Cup runs without Yzerman because there were younger players able to step up once he retired. Karlsson could be the equivalent of Lidstrom (great defenseman and future leader, though I'm not sure he was as good a captain as Niklas was) but where are the Datsyuks and Zetterbergs?

@MrOctober44

Жыл бұрын

They're grest😢 players, but you'd be hard pressed to find a team that won a cup with their two best players in their mid thirties

@davidkruse4030

Жыл бұрын

@@MDK2_Radiowrong. The red wings has drafted greatly in the early 00s. Look at the 2013 on red wings. This is what the penguins will look like.

@lonelycake4114

Жыл бұрын

Lol no theyre not especially malkin is done

@Jarred-Pegg

Жыл бұрын

@@lonelycake4114 Malkin was over a PPG last season, tell me exactly how he's "done"?

I love the Karlsson trade, However if you had Mario, Gretzky, and Jagr on a killer line, it wouldnt matter with swiss cheese Jarry in net. I am hoping that the kid from Detroit takes control of the net.

The Big 3 all had a good year. they just need the role players to step up when needed

@ls93780

Жыл бұрын

That’s part of the issue with the EK deal for me, it doesn’t fix their depth issue.

@justbleedprod.9414

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Bottom 6 provided nothing basically all season. And no one is talking about how their blue line besides Karlsson. Graves is a solid top 4 pickup who’s probably going to be paired with him. Pettersson surprisingly had a solid season and POJ is quietly developing into a offensive threat on the team. And Letang is Letang. I think this season will be drastically different behind Kyle Dubas

That's a legitimate question.

As a pens fan since I was young, I approve. Go for a cup in Crosby's final years and get the next generational Connor when we get another first overall pick. Basically mimic what Chicago has done.

Just curious pal... what time do you usually film your vids?

Oh!

I watched this show with the Wings. They will keep going for it for a while I bet.

@user-yg1dg6xm2g

Жыл бұрын

Tampa Bay will probably do the same.

Dubas Pittsburg Core Four 2.0. Good luck with that.

I mean their going all in for Crosby and malkin which is fine but it reminds me of Detroit years ago with an aging Z and datsyuk.

What was Karlsson's stats on 5vs5 this last season? I think it was not that bad and especially considering the team he has been playing for.

@theretiringbarber

Жыл бұрын

GOD WOULD HAVE BEEN -5O ON THAT SHARKS TEAM .

@torsteinholtz1535

Жыл бұрын

He was leading the league in even strength points for a long time and finished with 74, 4th in the league. 1 behind McDavid. Meaning of course that he'd had 150 points if he was on the Oilers PP ;)

Looking at the east, penguins might have a slight chance at a wild card spot.

@KevinJL

Жыл бұрын

The desert thinks they are fighting Florida and Buffalo again

Geez I feel old, I remember when they were all 'kids'! lol Penguins the oldest team in the league while the Vancouver Canucks have now become the NHL's youngest team 2022-2023.

Regarding 5-on-5; didn’t Karlsson have great numbers in that specter last year?

@theretiringbarber

Жыл бұрын

YES HE DID .

basically like the bruins heading into this past season. with every chip on the table, they going all in and hoping it cashes in a stanley cup

Rebuild when Sid retires

Karlsson will be like another version of OEL. Expect a buy out next year lol

@jsebby2284

Жыл бұрын

Lol no

Urinatingtree must be seething at the moment

Honestly, the Pens were so uninspiring the last couple of seasons. No matter what happens, at least they won’t be boring this coming season 😄

@ryanmaxwell5076

Жыл бұрын

Ummm.. They were like really, really good in ‘22. Without Trouba’s chicken-wing-to-Crosby’s-skull maneuver, they easily win that series going away. If you’ve not watched the series I would recommend it. They were utterly dominating the Rangers with literal Back-up to a Back-up goalie. I don’t see it as a stretch to assume that had they had Jarry healthy in net (played only game 7 then surgery immediately during offseason) they take their spot in the Eastern Conference finals. Or even if Trouba was suspended for a bit(I mean the hit was that egregious, behind the play, clear head target to a player with their head turned.)Which is kinda the definition of a contender? Ya’ll got some poor memories lol

@chrissie6105

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanmaxwell5076 Are you trying to “well, actually… ☝🏻” me rn lol I’ve watched every game since 2020, which is also how I know that I wanted to scratch my eyes out at some points last season and during the one before, too, at times. Or do you consider it a good thing to know they’re gonna 100% get scored on immediately after they get a goal lol

@chrissie6105

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanmaxwell5076 okay, well you have fun with that 🫡

I think dubas is done soon…as gm

Get Toews and Kaner too

Is there room for Karlsson and Letang...

No mention of Ryan Graves (that I heard). Underrated acquisition. I still doubt they are good enough.

They have petterson and Adam graves already to play with karlsson and letang

The Pens transition game and power play should be greatly improved. Not only the addition of Karlsson, but the removal of some extremely poor puck-possession defensemen really helps this team. I don't see the secondary scoring in the bottom six the Pens were badly lacking last year, nor do I see the Pens repeating their largely healthy year from the core, especially Malkin. I also don't see Jeff Carter coming back from the cliff he fell off and question why he wasn't a buyout target with only a single year left. If this team stays healthy, I think it is a playoff team, but they're going to have to have a lot of things break their way to be serious contenders. This is a team that badly faded down the stretch last year, and it doesn't bode well being a year older.

Before watching the video, I _think_ the video can be summarized as 'Crosby. That is all.' Why wouldn't there be an all in? It's not every day a generational talent like him falls into your lap. I think the hype around Crosby's draft was more intense than the one for McDavid. Hockey was the last thing on my mind when I worked at Tim Horton's back in 05 and I can remember hearing about it and seeing his name on posters back then around the shop lol.

@anticensorshipsociety1063

Жыл бұрын

It's good news for the Metro, let the Pens continue to regress without rebuilding.

@jimbob6270

Жыл бұрын

@@anticensorshipsociety1063 I used to be one of those guys that doubted the Pens and then I saw what they did to Shesterkin in the playoffs. I'm not a doubter anymore. Or at the very least, I wouldn't underestimate them. I think we're going to see some good things from the team this year, they've cut a few bad contracts and added some good ones.

@DanielC__

Жыл бұрын

@@jimbob6270I'm not doubting them either. With Crosby magic can happen any time. If the top 3 plus Guentzal and Karlsson have great years and they plug in some bottom 6 role players a playoff run wouldn't surprise me

@capsfan8585

Жыл бұрын

​@jimbob6270 you mean lose the series? Odd confidence booster.

@jimbob6270

Жыл бұрын

@@capsfan8585 Crosby got taken out. Losing your captain can really do a number to overall team morale. Until that point, it really looked like the series was in the bag for them.

Never liked Pittsburgh but can't help myself hoping EK65 goes on a tear next season again.🎉😀

@GukeshKozo

Жыл бұрын

It’s okay, I have enjoyed winning three Stanley cups in my young adult life. Maybe by the time I pay off my house, your team might make the second round

Because keeping Crosby aroundvto sell tickets is more profitable than any rebuild could do.

Graves would look good with EK

As a wings fan I would caution not starting the rebuild earlier rather than later, but they still have their core so I can see why they’re wanting to go for it

@MrVisde

Жыл бұрын

Red Wings were an excellent team for a long time signing veterans while scouting and developing new talent. For PIT to be successful with this aging group, they need to have the next wave of players on the way.

That Letang contract is awful omg. And they said the Wilson one was bad

@jsebby2284

Жыл бұрын

Letang at 6.1mil AAV is in no way awful Yeah - they said the Wilson one was bad because it was lol

Also Eller is a sneakily good add, he's someone whose job it was to shut Crosby and Malkin down and now you have him

@alexevanoski4588

Жыл бұрын

He’s 34?

@WilliamStewart1

Жыл бұрын

@@alexevanoski4588 Whats wrong with 34? Modern science and knowledge keeps bodies in thier prime way longer these days.

We believe!! Yet not happy about dropping DeSmith, Jarry has alot to prove especially playoff time

87s that good

SUCKS WE GOT TO GET OLD AND OUR BODIES WEAR OUT! 💛🖤✝️

video could've just been "Crosby, Malkin, and Letang" and it woulda been agreeable on why they're not rebuilding

After Karlsson this feels like the last dance

@darthvader3742

Жыл бұрын

It certainly feels that way doesn't it.

You’ve got to give Sid the Kid, the Kidderoo, the Kiddorama, the Kidmeister, Kidtastic, Kid-fantastic, one more run at cup.

It will be nice to have someone on the power play that will actually shoot the puck instead of passing endlessly until time runs out

@severed111

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Letang is an offensive D but not in a goal scorer way, he's good at aiming on other's sticks to get deviations though, that's how he manages to get so many assists when he does good.

"Starting with Sid the Kid, he's not a kid anymore is he"

It's kinda ironic how Ned and Hellberg are yet again, competing for a back up spot.

It would make more sense for pens to push rather than rebuild, look at the canucks havnt made the playoffs in years and no cups to show and will not rebuild so for but pens have a few and makes sense to push for one more while they can

How many pts do malkin and Crosby get this year? Letang is good, yet Karlsson is better Will be interesting to see how they gel

I'm really surprised (as far as I've seen) you haven't.mentioned the passing of ex-Bruin Gilles Gilbert.

With a full summer of rest and recuperation for the old guard I'm quietly confident that we should at least make a good run into the playoffs. The decision to go all in with EK is undoubtedly the correct one. Unfortunately this gambit will live and die on whether the risk to stick with Jarry pays off or not. Hoping against hope that he comes good but it'll be really sad if a goalie implosion is what costs our core plus EK a final tilt at the Cup.

@GeorgiaTechPhenom

11 ай бұрын

Been the story all along for the Pens under Crosby if you think about it. Really the story of any winner. Fleury/Murray/Jarry have all been nothing but inconsistent through their careers (Flower much less so, Murray much more so, but I digress), and it's easy to see years where the Pens win it all with better goaltending, or possibly lose a cup with the opposite. I think Jarry can be that guy, but he's got to stay healthy for the Pens to make a run.

I’ve been a penguin fan for a long time. They did not do anything to solidify their goaltending. If and when Jarry gets hurt, they do not have a solid back up to fill that hole. I love the depth on defense and I think the office will be OK but their goaltending is scary.

Pens should make it to round 3 next year.......but thats about it !

Mans ignoed that Peterson is on the penguins very underrated defensive dman

Still going strong I just got this feelin that the pens are going to do things next year it’s one of there last runs