The bike has more than enough power and I salute Honda for not engaging in the power stakes like other manufacturers do. It’s not about how many HP you have on tap if what you’ve got is already more than enough for the needs at hand, it’s more about the package as a whole. Because it’s less power now everyone else has upped there’s, doesn’t make it a lesser bike. As a 2023 ATAS manual owner without electronic suspension, my bike is a keeper, simply because I ride it mostly two up, and the ES can’t cope with as much weight as an Ohlins equipped bike like mine can.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I agree and why I have a 2021 ATAS. However, power is important to many many riders. It needs to be part of the discussion when the AT is compared so often to other brands flagship models or if a rider might be considering upgrading from their 2020-2023 AT to a 2024. It sounds like you will be keeping your 2023 and not getting a 2024 because of the updates covered here.

@BikerGirlTraveler

6 ай бұрын

Yes I agree, it has like 102-104 HP. More than enough. My Tenere makes about 74 hp. I am happy with it. Oftentimes is not so much the horsepower, but how you use that power. It’s similar to trqcrion control, electronic suspension, and all the electronic junk, other than fuel injection and antilock brakes. If people think that they need all that junk to be safe, then they need to reevaluate their skills, not your bike. I’ve been riding for 37 years and none of my bikes have had any of that junk. I rode 5-6 days per week, rain or shine, day or night. And in those 37 years I have never crashed or fallen. I must be doing something good. My debate about large bikes is that all are loaded with electronics. All that junk come at a price. There is no such thing as a free lunch. And according to surveys the number one source of problems in modern bikes is… dha dha…. You know it, electronics/electrical.not only do all the junk increases the price of the bike by a few thousands, but repairs are also super expensive. So do I spend the money to get me a bike adventure bike, or get me another bike with the least amount of junk in it?

@Corey-pd3mi

3 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret Since you want to make it part of the discussion you also need to discuss fuel. The AT makes that power on standard fuel, no need for premium, unlike the competitors. Good luck finding premium in remote areas, use standard in those competitors and you won’t be making that peak power

@GreatEgret

3 ай бұрын

@@Corey-pd3mi that’s a really great point, man! So true for those that travel to Remote areas. I actually mentioned this in another AT video on my channel. For the record, I have a 2021 ATAS, so I’m not an AT hater. Just providing a different perspective in this video for some to consider when looking at the 2024 models.

“…for those that want more power”. Seriously? For what, exactly? Extra power will always cost in terms of reliability/longevity. The 1100 will last 3x longer than a KTM 890. Love my 2023 AT DCT. Best all purpose Swiss army-knife motorcycle on the planet.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Those words were carefully chosen for riders that do not include you and me. Just like you love your 2023, I love my 2021 for many of the same reasons. There are others out there where power is more important than reliability and longevity.

@andreswart9211

6 ай бұрын

In a classroom of 30 we will have 70 opinions 😂😂

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

@andreswart9211 😂 so true!

"slow and steady wins the race" - the current AT engine is a big ol' 1084cc putting out only 100bhp with a 10.1:1 compression ratio. So it works a lot less hard, and on cheaper regular gas, than its hotter competitors. A big engine loafing will usually last longer and have less problems than a more suped up one, and cheaper to operate because it doesn't require high octane gas. I have a (used) 2021 AT DCT base model, which I love. But I'd probably still trade it in on a 2024 ATAS DCT for tubeless tires alone, not to mention the slightly lower seat height and better suitability for the road (I'm mostly on the street).

For a long time the AT was my dream bike, in many ways it still is. I had the chance to buy a used 2021 earlier this year and actually opted not to. I just couldn't justify buying a bike that I would not ride all that much. I am fortunate enough to be able to ride just about every day, however the majority of that riding is done in Bangkok traffic, and the AT just wouldn't be the right right bike for that. Even on the weekends most of my rides are around the city. I feel like if I own a bike I should be riding it on a regular basis as it would be ashame not to. But god is that a sexy bike. someday.

@hillkiran

6 ай бұрын

What bike is ideal for that? What do you ride?

@IdeaStudioBKK

6 ай бұрын

@@hillkiran Right now my daily rider is my Yamaha Exciter 155, it's small, has a 6 speed manual, and more than enough power to get me around in the city, and even on short jaunts out of Bangkok. I have a Grom as well that has become something of a project bike. If I were to go bigger for a city bike I would probably go with the Honda CB300R that is about as large as I would want to go with a bike for my daily riding in and around BKK. If I lived in any other part of Thailand I likely would have pulled the trigger on the AT when I had the chance. There are some amazing mountain and jungle trails here that it would really be suited for. But if I owned it I would be lucky to get it out once a month because in the city I would just be sitting in traffic.

@TokyotimTech

5 ай бұрын

No lie the AT DCT is amazing for stop and go traffic. I ride one around Japan. Then you can still tour long trips. Don’t sleep on DCT it’s fun like a giant scooter

@IdeaStudioBKK

5 ай бұрын

@@TokyotimTech The transmission isn't why I would not want the AT in Bangkok. all my bikes are manual, its about the size. I would be stuck in traffic with cars trying to get up and down Sukumvit. on a smaller bike you can cut in and out and lane split. the AT is too large for a daily Bangkok bike IMO. probably any other city in Thailand it would be fine, Bangkok is just too dense. Japan has pretty strict traffic laws... not so much in Bangkok. ;-) that probably levels the playing field for a big bike in the city.

@abeelliott9046

5 ай бұрын

IdeaStudioBKK I am with you on the commuting around BKK thing, but also replying to gee you up to get that AT or another brand of ADV Bike that Thailand sells, to get out of BKK and enjoy the great ridding this country and or it's neighbouring countries have to offer. YOUR A LONG TIME DEAD. he he. Telling you some thing you already know and finding time can be our worst enemy. Be safe, Abe.

I’ve just ordered one and simply cannot wait!! Manual transmission and Electronic suspension ftw - Improved handling and torque plus sound plus wind protection- Evolution not revolution..

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Congrats! You’re going to have a blast. I love my 2021. Such a great bike.

The 2024 base model has the best option package for me; ES without the price tag of the AS model, manual gearbox, lower seat. Sadly it doesn’t look like it’s coming to the US, especially since they just brought over the Trans Alp. The Trans Alp is a nice bike but it’s not as good looking as the AT and is missing the TFT, cruise control and ES option. It would feel like a compromise to me.

I'd rather have a super reliable bike than a super powerful bike. There's no chance ill ever use 100hp, let alone more than that

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. That’s one of the big reasons I love my 2021 ATAS. The changes to the 2024 are not enough to make me upgrade, though.

Anyways, for someone who was never taught to Shift, this is my only choice for the Apocalypse

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

And a great apocalyptic choice it is!

Sorry, mate! But this video makes you a hard pass.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Because I own and love a 2021 ATAS that does everything for me and I feel it’s not worth the upgrade to 2024? 🙄

@conradc1973

3 ай бұрын

Doesn’t know what he is talking about - just going for clickbait.

@GreatEgret

3 ай бұрын

Please don’t be upset because I criticized a bike you love. I’ll admit, if you have proof, that I don’t know what I’m talking about. But this video is 100% devils advocate. Clickbait implies a deception in the title or thumbnail. This video explains exactly what the title and thumbnail says. Zero deception. Show me exactly where I’m being deceptive. Now if you’re upset that I was criticizing a bike you love, that’s very different than clickbait. Very different.

@GreatEgret

2 ай бұрын

@@conradc1973you know, clickbait is against KZread’s policy. If you truly feel this is clickbait, you’re able to report this video. Feel free to do so.

I take my 2018 ATAS off-road regularly and the last thing I needed was more power. It’s top heavy so not for beginners. But its motor is just sweet in all situations. I ride every day in city traffic. Back roads and the mountains at the weekends. I’ve never needed more grunt. And I’ve never had suspension issues.

@GreatEgret

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, cut that power off-road. Some riders like more power when traveling long distances or overtaking other drivers. Especially loaded up with gear. But like you, I’ve never needed more power on my 2021 ATAS.

Having AT 2017 Standard model with about 25km ridden, I could not be happier with it. Reliable, comfortable, nibble, great looking, checks all the boxes. Also heavy, tall (I am 5'9" 155lbs), smaller tank than desired...sure it is not perfect. BUT, what bike is. In my view I find it the perfect all around bike, it has plenty of power, can go anywhere, can carry passengers, can do long trips but take you to the coffee shop, low maintenance, long intervals for service, to me and many one of the best looking bikes ever built, and probably two things that matter the most - Reliable as Honda and best dealer network for any bike manufacturer. As for 24 model, the lower seat, 19" front wheel, little more torque...it is not much. I also hoped to see the turbo on it, as rumors where circulating the web, but maybe next year. Are there more powerful bikes with more tech and gizmos...yes. But, the amount of people that can ride AT to its full potential and utilize all it has are very few, and these are probably the KTM owners. For what it is, a bike that lives between mid and high displacement Adv/Touring bike, I think it has proven itself as a real gem, and anyone who has ridden it will agree. Honda is traditionally slow and very secretive to make any changes, which is exactly why they have been so successful in all of their domains. 23 vs 24 model, unless one can't find older for a good price and is not a crazy off-road rider, I don't think 24 is a bad proposition. Still, 24 is still less money than pretty much anything else in higher class and most in lower 900cc class. The power was never an issue and the parallel twin is a so well built, with power and sound that are intoxicating every time you twist the wrist. I won't be changing or replacing mine until a very very very very ...very long time. It is that good.

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

It’s definitely the best bang for your buck adv bikes out there. Though the price of the 2024 ATAS is creeping up to the price of the GS.

Given that they've reduced the seat height and allegedly made it more comfortable, plus the option of electronic suspension adjustment, Bluetooth link for phone sat nab, a resculptered fairing and screen for better wind protection and a 19" front wheel.... I'M IN...!! 👍 Oh, and the new paint job on the tricolour Adventure Sport is nothing short of perfect and sexy...!! It gets the 'thumbs-up' from me....!! 👍😃

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I would be in too, but not as an upgrade from the current 2020-2023 models. It would be less expensive to make these mods than to buy a 2024. My 2021 is perfect with a few mods.

@hillkiran

6 ай бұрын

With a 19” front wheel it’s just a discount GS

I have to agree with the suspension being too soft. New springs was an upgrade I did because the brake dive was unsettling for me on hard stops. I did adjust the suspension electronically but it didn’t help that much, the new springs made a big difference. I’m not an ADV expert, I just wanted my AT to feel right for me and my riding style.

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

What springs did you get? I’m going to put more miles on my 2021 ATAS before swapping out the springs to see if I truly need it, but I’m always curious what others go with and why.

To me? it is worth it, i own the 2022 AS, in my opinion? 2 things make it worth it and more, one the LOOKS, no other bike comes even close, ok it is subjective, but ask all people that do not own a Ducati or a BMW and let me know ;) 2 ? quality and reliability, i do not even need to continue, right??? do yes, the AT is worth it 100%

Never rode it, but I love it’s look!

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Damn sexy bike!

That 19 inch front pleases me. I could not get on with 21...It didnt feel right to me..... I'll tryout the 19 for sure.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

It’s definitely a net positive for a lot of ATAS riders.

Switching between Urban and Tour modes is nice when transitioning from surface streets to the hiway! I'm pretty sure mine is never going to leave the asphalt....but you never know. So far I have a 42L aluminum topcase with mount. Is the Africa Twin Adventure Sports ES too big? Well let's just say it's a big mans bike. It''s a handful and I don't think it would make a good beginner bike. That said I find it easy to ride but challenging to push around the garage.

I have the 2023 ATAS - very happy to have the large fuel tank AND the 21” front wheel. And about it falling behind the other brands in terms of power - so what? The other brands are over the top. I think it’s plenty powerful to get you in and out of trouble - even 2 up. If you are experienced off road with heavy bikes you will have a blast. I previously owned a 1200GSA and a Yamaha Super Tenere and the AT is by far the most off road capable without making any real sacrifices IMO.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

100% agree. I own a 2021 ATAS and super happy I have the 21” front wheel. I had a Pan America and I just didn’t need all that power. Power is on the AT is just right. I wanted to be inclusive to all opinions in this video and some really care about power.

I wonder that can you try between 50-70 kmh withour hands and handle bar shaking or not again as old version?If you can test that it will be my pleasure..Because It is cronicle problem. I had 2020 ATAS and my friend has 2021 ATAS,also I have new 2023 ATAS and problem is same.. Between 50-70 kmh handle bar shaking even I tested after my new 2023 ATAS after getting from Honda Shop again same problem with 0 km new for ATAS.. It is cronicle problem for whole CRF1100L AT.. It is not related tyre or balance or top case etc..Unfortunately Honda is not doing anythingelse about the problem..

@GreatEgret

4 ай бұрын

I have a 2021 ATAS and I feel the vibrations at certain RPMs, but my handlebars don’t ever shake.

@yavuzt9341

4 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret I had this problem at my 2020,2021 and 2023 model too ,also shake so much in that rpm's..

For me, the Africa Twin Adventure Sports 2024 with the optionnal low seat (height of 795 mm) is finally accessible 🤗. Now, it could be my next dream bike!

Interesting take. I currently own a 2022 R1250GS and I am seriously considering the 24 AT base with electronic suspension if it comes to the US. I tried to buy a base model AT in 2022 but could not find one.

@GreatEgret

4 ай бұрын

I ended up buying a low mileage 2021 ATAS. I wanted to buy a 2023, but the dealership was honest and said that they didn’t think they would get any from Honda. Others weren’t so lucky and dealers took deposits only to cancel them. Unfortunately it looks like Honda isn’t offering the 2024 in the US again. The dealership told me they usually know their allotment by October. We’re well past that now and dealerships don’t have anything from Honda.

@Brad-RB

4 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret l stopped at my Honda dealer last Thursday and was told the same thing. He also said it is the most requested Honda motorcycle. Not bringing them to the US seems strange.

@TheZakkmylde

4 ай бұрын

Lots in Canada lol. Cross border shopping 😂

@GreatEgret

4 ай бұрын

Looks like they are coming to the US market in May.

@Brad-RB

4 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret Finally. It seems the base model will not have all the options available in other markets.

Anything over 100hp is just crazy. 65-70hp is plenty. They need to get the seat height down, get rid of ALL the electronics, and keep the tubeless tires. The older carbureted Kawasaki KLR650 is an ideal adventure bike except for its tube type tires. I wish someone would make tubeless wheels for it (NOT a tubeless conversion that WILL fail) and I'd buy one right now. An adventure bike need to be something that can be worked on in the middle of nowhere (hence no electronics) and you need to be able to get both feet on the ground because you will almost certainly be riding over stuff that will require you to help hold the bike up. It also needs to be able to run on whatever swill passes for gasoline in third world countries. Itchy Boots is doing just fine on a Honda CRF300.

@GreatEgret

3 ай бұрын

You’re truly not wrong about any of this and exactly why I own a CRF300l. I think with these bigger adventure bikes it’s use case and if most big adventure bike riders were honest, they would admit that their bikes rarely leave the pavement. I know my ATAS won’t see more than gravel roads as I’ll use the CRF300l

I absolutely love my 2021ATAS ES! 36000 kms, 15000 kms off-road and loved every klick! Plenty of hp with Honda reliability!

@GreatEgret

4 ай бұрын

I have the same bike and I’m ridiculously in love with it!

After upgrading the suspension, wheels, exhaust system, ergonomics, seat and a multitude of other farkles I’m loath to trade my ‘18 model for the ‘24 . . . and yet, I’m tempted.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

This would be a worthy upgrade. The 2020+ models are so different than the 2016-19. Is there anything about the 2024 that would make you buy one over a used 2020-23?

I Love it AND I'm loooking for a new(to me) bike this year: however I'm just not buying a DCT! And no... nobody needs150hp on something that might see off road.

Damn, finally someone from the US is speaking the truth about this bike. Impossible to find, especially a manual.. used ones are super expensive.. apparently now it’s announced to arrive in the US in May, who knows…

@GreatEgret

2 ай бұрын

Super impossible to find! Every time I’d look for a used one, there were only DCT bikes and those were even few and expensive. Finally got my hands on a low mileage 2021 ATAS manual for $14K.

@THELASTRID3R

2 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret wow what a great deal! I’m based out of Virginia, absolutely nothing around here (manual).. totally would take the deal at 14k, lucky find!

@GreatEgret

2 ай бұрын

@THELASTRID3R any time I’m looking to buy a bike, I wait until the second or third week of November. I always find the best deals that time of year! 👍

@THELASTRID3R

2 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret great point! Will keep that in mind!

Yeah I don’t know about this video I mean I respect your opinion but I just bought a 2024 and I’m excited never having one before they’re beautiful bikes and it’s a Honda if I wanted a Ducati and double the maintenance cost and performance I’d get one. As for the electronic suspension, it’s not available on the standard model as stated, at least not in Canada.

@GreatEgret

2 ай бұрын

I own a 2021 ATAS. This is just a different perspective of why one “might” not want to buy a 2024. These are valid reasons for many riders.

I had already had a chance to sit on 24 adv model and I like it. Would like to upgrade from my 19 model but price in EU is about 22000€. Bit to much for upgrade😢

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

That’s a steep price and well into the range of other flagship adv bikes.

Seat height reduction is cool for getting short peoples feet on the ground. That's ok for tall people as long as the seat to footrest distance is still long. It's all about not being scrunched up in a sports bike position with our old hips.

@MagicAyrtonforever

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely - I doubt very much whether that has changed at all.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I had a Pan America. I felt so dang scrunched up on that bike. The peg to seat height ratio was way off for my 32” inseam.

I'm cross shopping the 2024 Honda ATAS, Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro, and the Moto Guzzi Stelvio. We'll see when or if these bikes make it to the US to try and buy.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Let me know what you go with. If you can find a 2020-22 Africa Twin, you would not be disappointed.

I prefer the base model so the tubeless wheels alone are enough for me to upgrade. I also like that it comes stock with heated grips and an adjustable windscreen. The power is plenty for me. I prefer lower power and more reliability.

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

Power is just right for me as well and the heated grips, tubeless tires, and electronic suspension all make my 2021 ATAS worth it. I can see how those upgrades to the base in 2024 can be worth it to some. It doesn’t look like it’s coming to the US market, though.

@2wheels.are.better.than4

5 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret Agreed, the updates to the base are worth it, but not so much for the ATAS. I think they will both come to the USA this fall, a year after Europe. That’s how Honda and Yamaha seem to do it. Europe got the Transalp in fall of 2022 and we got it in fall of 2023. Europe got the updated T7 in fall of 2022 and we got it in fall of 2023. My guess is we’ll start seeing the updated ATs here in the US in November.

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately the 2023 AT never came to the US. In 2019, dealers knew their 2020 allotment by October. Same for 2021 and 2022 models. Just like for 2023, dealers have no clue if they are getting 2024 ATs.

100hp is plenty , Ive put somewhere north of 500k miles on sub 100hp bikes 40 hp up to 110hp and theyve all been good enough for what i needed except for racing at the top levels. theres a 160hp ride in the garage that Ive only got 45k on after 10 years, the 80hp bike next to it has 45k after 3 years its just easier to deal with. the power is not an issue the big thing is the seat height, i want a ADV sport but wont buy one due to the tall seat and a damaged left leg that wont support catching a tall bike on the left, got to have a foot on the ground to stay upright. I think honda will sell a bunch more ADV/ES versions with the lower seat and 19 front wheel thats better suited for road based touring.and matches the GS. if they arrive in the US in 24 ill go to the dealership with the checkbook and probably leave with one if it fits me better than the previous versions.

I love my black 2020.

How much HP and torque do you need on a touring bike??? The 2024 ADV S has got 1nm of torque more than the Kawi1000SX, a road touring bike. Big torque and HP is the reason they have to build in electronic controls because they know it's dangerous and not practical off road. HP and Torque is what the manufactures knows sell their bikes. Not common sense, reliability, comfort and style. The African twin, just like the Yami Tenere 700 is totally overprized in NZ. For those who think the KTM's, Aprilia, BMW 850/900 or Ducati engines will last as long as this low compression engine, do your homework and talk to very experienced riders. I know I can go to AUS or Africa and will be able to get low octane fuel anywhere. I never bought the AT because of the seat height and 21" front wheel. Now I can.. .BUT!! The price might stop me from doing so. Have to wait till Sept 2024 and see as Honda NZ are SILENT about the price. The Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro might be my other option. My take on it: if you are concern about HP and torque, buy a naked or sports bike. 100hp and 112nm of torque off road is way tooo much. Read what @Istavenhagen said below. These big HP/torque bikes all suffers from heat problems. Ask Triumph, KTM, Aprilia, BMW and Ducati riders.

Oh and one thing you forgot to mention, the base model with the 19” front wheel will only be available wi the automatic transmission, while the most expensive version with either clutch or auto. I don’t need the large front wheel, if I were to buy a base model I’ll have to settle for the automatic version. I’ m sure like I would feel like I was riding a bog scooter.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I actually didn’t forget this. Two things: 1. It’s the Adventure Sports model, not the base that has the 19” front wheel. 2. You must have watched MotoBob without watching his update video after he claimed the Adventure Sports will only be sold with DCT. This is ONLY the case in the UK. Other markets will still sell the Adventure Sports with the manual transmission. MotoBob did a second video with a correction on this.

Always thought the bike was too top heavy and tall. Passed on it. Now the Tiger 900 is doing a refresh…. Not sure how I feel about it. Might sell mine. Not riding it enough. For off-road you want light. I might look at the Tiger 660, or even a CRF for that riding.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

While my CRF300L is not perfect (no bike is), it gives me the opportunity to ride off-road where I don’t have the skills with a big adventure bike. I plan on doing mods to the 300L over time and and have many off-road adventures on it.

@jasonshortphd

6 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret exactly my thinking. Small will be more fun off-road. And for sport touring I’ll stick with bigger bikes. I have taken my Challenger on dirt roads, that is about all I tend to do anyway on trips. Too afraid of hurting myself far away from home. But a small dual sport I could take around where I live would be perfect. I have tons of mountains around here with lots of OHV areas to play.

@henryvaneyk3769

6 ай бұрын

The Tiger 660 is not an off-road bike, not even close to the Tiger 900 RP. Trust me, I really wanted it to be the bike for my wife to ride with me. In the end I got her the 900 RP. It would have been nice if they had a 660 RP.

Everyone who has ridden it seems to absolutely love it. I think you might need to reconsider.

@GreatEgret

4 ай бұрын

I own a 2021 ATAS. I love it. Don’t need to reconsider a 2024.

@nickcalnephone

4 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret go on mate, go and try one anyway. Whats the worst that can happen? :-)

@GreatEgret

4 ай бұрын

@nickcalnephone I’ll be $17,600 US poorer. 😂

Great video! Not sure i agree on the lack of power on this bike compare to other ADV. I previoulsy had the Multistrada 1260S 2021, with loads of more horsepower on the specs. But when riding the AT in sport mode III, and the correct rpm. Then this bike is pretty responsive!!!

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I agree and I feel my 2021 ATAS has more than enough power for me. Do you have a 2024? I’m talking specifically about the updates to the torque and hp of the 2024 model. Not earlier 2020-2023 models. There are some riders out there that that feel power is an important factor in their buying decisions. I’ve included the comparisons here for them.

@Cayman1

6 ай бұрын

112Nm at 5500rpm for the 2024 model is really good also in comparison with the more powerful bikes. That’s usable power.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Doesn’t match the torque or hp of a GS or KTM, or multistrada, but I agree with you it’s an enough torque and power for a lot of uses.

It seems like Honda is backing away from the AT. The mid-size ADV bike is the hottest market, with the 400-500cc lightweight Dual-Sport bikes coming on strong. Honda has those covered now with the Transalp and the CRF450-RL. When I had the Pan America that was the message I kept telling the MOCO, get a mnidweight out there and a capable scrambler. Honda will sometimes make a misstep, but rarely. Personally, I'd like to see Honda take the AT to the aggressive mid-size market, 800cc, with great user (not electronic) adjustable suspension... Something to compete with the Ducati Desert X. Something lightweight and aggressive.

@BikerGirlTraveler

6 ай бұрын

The Transalp and CRF450 are two very different beasts. One a dual sport and one an adventure bike. And the Transalp in by no mean light. Specially when compared to a dual sport. But I get your point and I agree with it.

@pinkiewerewolf

6 ай бұрын

@@BikerGirlTraveler The TA and 450 are definitely different beast but both positioned in their respective categories. I have a KTM 890 Adventure S model, and Husqvarna FE 501 s, there is a drastic difference in these bikes as well but they fall in the same categories. The 890 is a bear to pick up in the mud riding solo (almost a no-go with the larger bikes like the ATAS) and that's really where those light weight Dual-Sport bikes shine. Unfortunately the lightweight D-S bikes do not shine when you have to ride 300-500 miles to get to the off-road destination. I think a lot of us are looking for the lightweight ADV that is adequate at both riding situations with long service intervals. It would help if I were a taller person though. lol

Just the fact that Honda is ignoring the American continent market is reason enough to piss me off. I was looking to buy a new one this year and I couldn't find one. No wonder! But why would a manufacture do that? I suppose that the bike must not be selling well. If it was then why skip a market? It would make no sense. At the same time Honda is not the only manufacture that keeps giving us the middle finger and we keep kissing their rear end by accepting whatever washed down version they want to send us, while the Europeans get all the premium features. A great example of that is the Tenere 700. I have a 2021 that I bought new, and I’ve been waiting for the WR version since it was introduced in Europe. I doubt that we will ever get it. It seems to me that Japanese bike makers need to stop that BS and gives us what we want, not what they think we must have. I hate to settle for crups. It’s time for people to start writing to complain.

Well that sucks. Might have to buy a 2022 if I can find one. Or a 2023 in Mexico

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I got my hands on a low mileage 2021. No regrets.

@hillkiran

6 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret SWEET, if you see a 21 or newer let me know. I mean I shouldn’t complain, my 2019 ATAS is the best bike I have ever ridden. (The 1250 GS was better on the road). I have never ridden the 1100 AT, and I imagine it’s better, so I want!

Hold on hold on........its no good saying the horsepower isnt good enough. All those you mentioned have their peak hp around 76000rpm or 7750 for GSA. Wtf. When do you get to that. Unless your a track or drag bike 76000rpm is high in the rev range for an adventure bike. Torque is far more important in an adventure bike to get you out of trouble. AT touque comes in 750rpm sooner at 5500rpm in lieu of 6250. How often is an average adventure bike doing dakar racing at 120km/hr (80mph) in the desert. Lets get some realism in here. Not everyone is toby price or skylar howes on the weekends. Theres a lot of grasping at straws in the assessment. With the adaptive cruise all it does is put in a price competition with bmw. Why would you do that considering its nearly 300cc lower in capacity. Everything said makes me think its even better bank for buck without the gimmicks and tech crap like adaptive ride height and adaptive cruise next what electric shock seat warmer to keep you awake and in the moment riding your bike.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

“Not good enough” is very different than not matching the competition. I said the latter and I believe the hp of the twin is very capable. I’m addressing Hp and acc compared to the competition for those that care about hp and acc. There are a lot out there.

That 1100 engine has never impressed me.

I'd buy the 2024 AT because I want something to take cross country. My offroading is limited. Then again I typically use my R1200RT for those rides and my next bike will most likely be a GS1300 Since I'm used to the boxer motor.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

If I didn’t already own a 2021, I’d consider a 2024, but the changes are definitely not worth the upgrade and I prefer the 21” front wheel. That GS1300, despite the controversy about the looks, is an amazing bike.

When we purchase ADV bikes - I can pretty much guarantee you that 99% of us will do paved road + very light dirt road only. That's the reality - and Honda and BMW knows that (how many of you actually did trans-continental trip that requires 21 inch tire off roading? - if you did I really envy you!!! :D ). Even in Sahara or Gobi (Pan Asia Highway) desert these days - there is well paved highways and light off road only. So, 19 inch tire with DCT is a perfect bike for this reality.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, you’re right about that for sure.

Can’t get one of these in the North America market🤔

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

I think you can get them in Canada and Mexico, but super frustrating that Honda skipped the US market in 2023 and looked to be doing the same in 2024. I hope I’m wrong.

Worth it. Who needs adaptive cruise controll?

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I agree. I don’t even like it in cars. But some care about it enough or manufacturers wouldn’t engineer it on bikes. It will be in the AT someday. If you own a 2020-2023 (I have a 2021), it’s not worth the “upgrade” to a 2024. Do you plan on buying a 2024?

@sjmedia_official

6 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret I drive naked now for 7 years, but miss going off road and the boxes to store my helm and stuff, while I am in a restaurant... I wanted a used 2023 ATAS , but I am going for a 24 standard DCT. Because now the only difference which is worth mentioning is a bigger tank of ATAS comparing to standard. Some people are against DCT, but I also heard a lit of good and I like the idea of having it.

Even the lowly little $16k 890cc Yamaha Tracer 9gt+ gets adaptive cruise control! Seriously Honda?? WTF? Hrd to imagine Honda did not build in the motor strength to pump the power up to 130 at least! Heck my little Tracer makes 117hp and will blow an AT into the weeds! Could it be that Honda is SO dedicated to reliablitlity thats why they wont bump power up at the drop of a hat? (like KTM OFTEN does!) You know it is childs play to squeeze more power....You KNOW they are PURPOSELY holding back when the model only needs 87 octane fuel.....EVERYTHING that has higher power irequires 91 premium/ Both of my Yamahas the MT10 and MT09 Tracer use premium and have good horsepower. I was yaking with a CB1000 owner who lamented his lack of power compared to my Yamaha and sure enough his only uses 87 octane showing where Honda's brain is NOT on power! It is on eonomy and reliability...As opposed to KTM for instance and most others really Peronally? My bike is a toy NOT a way to save on tranportation costs....I am NOT EVER gonna keep a motorcycle 200k miles or even 75k miles! I COULD but I would rather have fun and just keep getting latest motorbikes

The new cfmoto 800 adventure now comes with adaptive cruise...honda is falling behind. And the fact the Transalp doesn't even have electronic cruise as an option....I'm in the Market this year for a new ADV bike and honda just isn't showing up as my next ride.

Worth it. Some Americans are just 0-60 and HP junkies.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I’m an American. I own a 2021 ATAS. I also own a 2021 CRF300L. Both bikes are far from fast 0-60 and neither are known for gobs of HP. Lots of others like me here in the states.

The 2023 has a more organic color line. The 2024 has a more brick Tetris color setup🥺. Less sexy

@GreatEgret

4 ай бұрын

Agreed!

I wouldn't want a more powerful Adv bike. In fact, the light weight of the 750 Transalp is better. It also has less price. It's very agile. I'm tired of wrestling with heavy bikes. There's also a lot of character in the 750 Hornet.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I’ll definitely keep my AT on the road and use my 300L off-road. I haven’t ridden a Transalp…yet. I’m super intrigued. Those p-twins in the Transalp and Hornet seem like great engines.

It will sell more because of that 19 inch front wheel...thats enough until new model...and power is enough too...150 PS in new adventure bikes are too much...

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

100% agree, but only for the sport touring riders that don’t already have a 2020-2023 model. It’s enough power for me, but having more power is important to some riders.

Adaptive cruise control on motorcycles is a gimmick not a must..is not like you gonna fall asleep and be saved by it like in a car. Power is more than enough..there are lots of cars around 1.3-1.4 tons that have around 70hp. So at 230kg with 100hp you are basically a rocket. So these are not valid reasons why not to get an AT. Put an AT on a twisties mountain road and you might get surprised who comes on top compared with other more powerfull bikes.😉

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I agree with you 100% and I cover these in another video. Though some riders feel power and and, as useless as it is on a motorcycle, ACC are important to them. I included these for those riders.

Should have made the base model their pavement pounder and kept the adventure sport ES a true off-road capable machine. The old 88-89 Dakar Africa Twins would definitely not like that they’re getting turned into pavement pounders.

I got a 2021 Adventure Sports ES with a manual transmission and less than 700 miles on it without a scratch. if anyone can't find one give me a shout!

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Man, that thing isn’t even broken in yet!

@MotorcycleMayhem595

6 ай бұрын

I know...I haven't been able to ride it much but I decided to try and start making some content with it just recently. @@GreatEgret

Dude is liking comments that kiss as, i don't need to watch the video, i think ik the bias, cany get a single non bs review of this bike

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Dude, I own a 2021 ATAS and love it. I’m providing a perspective of how some MIGHT not want a 2024. THIS IS NOT A REVIEW of the 2020-2023 AT. This isn’t even a review of the 2024. No one owns one yet so a full review is not possible. In this video, I’m only covering the changes to the 2024 Africa Twin and how these changes might not be worth your time. If you’d actually like to take the time to discuss how I’m wrong, I’d love that. I’d love it more if you convince me that it is worth your time. But using your keyboard to bash a creator only makes you look petty, uninformed, and unintelligent.

No mention to the dct? Not available in the US, so it’s an educated guess rather than an actual bike test. Sorry mate, as an AT owner I will disagree

@GreatEgret

2 ай бұрын

I’m an AT owner as well. 2021 ATAS and I love it. This is just a different perspective for the 2024 models. Opinions given to me by other riders of the AT and other bikes.

It comes down to that 21" front wheel...any real dirt bike is going to have one.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Too true!

show us how you use those 100hps and you are lacking the power 👍

I used to be a dedicated Honda fan, having owned four of their bikes. However, I find myself rethinking my allegiance. I've always had my eye on an AF ES and was eagerly anticipating the 2024 model, hoping for exciting upgrades like increased horsepower surpassing 140, added torque, radar capabilities... but unfortunately, none of these materialized. What did catch me off guard though is the novelty of the price-it's now on par with the BMW R1300 GS, a development I hadn't anticipated.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it’s a bit of jump in price.

@lr_spb

5 ай бұрын

I had initially planned to place an order for the new Africa Twin ES, but I wasn't a fan of the DCT, and I found myself somewhat disappointed with the upgrades introduced in the 2024 model. As a result, I opted to purchase a 1300 GS from BMW instead.

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

Congrats, man! It looks like a great bike. I hope you have a ton of fun riding it!

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thankfully i have my 2021 ATAS..

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

This is perfect 😂

As far as I know no tubeless tires on the base model. Still think about 100HP on a bike that type is enough...not supposed to be a race bike. It gets you anywhere as fast as a 160HP bike, just more reliably.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Way more reliably. While I make a mention of the hp compared to the competition, it’s more for those that find it important for them. I had a Pan America and sold it because I just didn’t need all that power. Now on a 2021 ATAS.

Weird that Europe gets the AT and the NT, and the USA gets…. neither. 😡

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

It’s so frustrating. I had a deposit down on a 2023 ATAS. After waiting nearly a year, I just cancelled it. Six months later I bought a 2021 just a smidge over 1K miles.

@michaelskinner896

5 ай бұрын

My first and only bike ever is my 2018 AT which I purchased brand new in 2020. While I've taken it in the dirt several times, I primarily ride tarmac and it now has 10K miles on it. I was really looking to upgrade to an 2023 AS model for the additional tech and features, but of course Honda screwed the US on that. Their decision to do that really pissed me off, particularly since they made it available to the rest of the major world markets. There were a few remaining 2022 models at the time I was looking, but none were available in my state. None. Now that the 2024 models have been announced and no mention of it from American Honda, I'm done. So, I now have a deposit and my name on a 2024 BMW R1250RT! I am beyond excited and its really hard waiting, haha. But unfortunately for some buyers, including me, Honda is a very conservative company, and doesn't really lead the market any more. At least not like they used to. With all that said, I'm not really sure it needs to have a lot more horsepower to be "competitive", but it does fit into an unusual niche. It's bigger than a middle-weight, but too small for the big boys. I'll be looking to sell mine as soon as my RT comes in. @@GreatEgret

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

@@michaelskinner896 man, have fun on that R1250RT! We’re mired in deep snow and freezing temps for awhile here in Wisconsin. Hopefully you’ll get on your new bike sooner than I get on my ATAS.

@michaelskinner896

5 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret Thanks!

It’s very strange for me that a bike with 100 ps consider underpowered. Honda is by far the most reliable of all the other garbage tanks. I am a gs 1200 2009 model owner just to make it clear. I will say this video is probably one of the most whatever video about Africa twin.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Feedback taken seriously here. Thank you. I’d definitely do a few things differently if I was able to make this video again.

Never go clickbait. It might get you a few more views but it's the fastest way to destroy all credibility for your channel.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

How is this clickbait? It’s a video on why I think the 2024 isn’t worth your time and you should pass on it. Both the title and thumbnail say exactly that.

@zenrising3314

6 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret the 2024 AT is VERY much worth the time of any biker who wants a great touring/adventure motorcycle, except for the 0.01% of bikers who already have a 20-23 model. So this is total clickbait.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

What you just stated is your opinion. Just because it differs than mine does not make a title and thumbnail clickbait. I’m happy to discuss more why you feel I’m wrong about that. I’d even love for you to change my mind. But I work really hard on this content and for you to minimize it by calling it clickbait because you disagree with is misinformed at best. Clickbait means a title and thumbnail are a misrepresentation of what is in the video. This is not the case here. I feel it’s not worth your time and after I cover all the updates for 2024, I state all the reasons it’s not worth your time. Now please convince me that it’s worth my time instead of confusing your opposite opinion with clickbait.

@leumas1996

6 ай бұрын

Don't think it's a clickbait. I like the fact he mentioned that people are actually using the ATAS as a sports tourer instead of an actual off road bike. That's a very accurate point in Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand.

@GreatEgret

2 ай бұрын

you know, clickbait is against KZread’s policy. If you truly feel this is clickbait, you’re able to report this video. Feel free to do so.

Ummmm…. The second update from 1000 to 1100 was in 2020 not 2021

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I’ve owned a 2020 and a 2021. Not sure where in the video said 2021, but it must have been a slip because having owed two CRF1100Ls, it’s not possible for me to not know that.

Honda is making the used GS's and GSA's look more and more attractive...!!!

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

I’m going to get on a GS when I’m on vacation next week. Can’t wait!

AT has always been underwhelming. And top heavy. I've changed way too many tubes on those turds.

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

Do you work for or ride with a touring company that you are changing tubes often. What generation AT are you changing tubes on?

It's really a shame about the AT. It's just a weird bike. It's not very luxurious compared to a GS. It costs more but has less performance than a KTM 890. And to top it all off they are unobtainable. The one thing they do have going for them is it's probably the least likely to not start up and leave you stranded. I was looking for a used ATAS post-refresh with manual trans a couple months back. And not only was it going to be way too much spend based on what the DCT version was going for, there were literally 0 new or pre-owned post-refresh ATAS manual trans bikes for sale in the United States while I was searching. I ended up going the R1250GS route and it was the right choice. For all tasks except ones where the 21 inch front and extra ground clearance have an advantage, the GS is the better bike. AND if you are comparing with a post-refresh ATAS, because of how rare they are, the GS is cheaper and easier to get. Go figure. Plus the boxer torque is real. That 1250 engine is just fabulous.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

It is so frustrating how difficult it is to get an Africa Twin in the US and I’m guessing they are going skip the US market in 2024 again. Every year until 2023, the Honda Powersports US website was updated with the new year AT by October and dealerships knew their allotment. Not this year. I’m spending a week in Arizona between Christmas and New Years Day. I’m renting a R1250GS. I’m looking forward to comparing it to the AT.

@rcvg69420

6 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret The GS will impress you for sure! Have fun!

Yamaha's world raid is probably a better option. I have one and they are awesome.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

If I had unlimited financial resources, this bike would be in my stable.

@chrispap5939

6 ай бұрын

no DCT no fun

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

Everyone that’s ridden one says this. Maybe I should stop being a pompous manual rider and get on a DCT test ride to see what all the fuss is about.

You haven't the foggiest idea what you arte taling about

@GreatEgret

5 ай бұрын

What does “arte taling” mean? (Psst…I own a 2021 ATAS. I’m playing devils advocate here by providing a different perspective. It’s a good thing because it can challenge your belief system and create positive communication among those around you) Maybe try your comment again. Only this time try and be proactive about it so we can have a good conversation about a bike we obviously both love.

@andrzejczarnecki5530

5 ай бұрын

Sorry, my mistake, it should be talking

@andrzejczarnecki5530

5 ай бұрын

Sorry, it should be "are talkig about". I own 2024 ATAS and I can't say that it has not enough power. For ADV riding you don't need more power. Thanks to smaller front wheel it has better handling on road. It isn't my first bike. I am rider since 1980. I was riding GS 1250 ADV, Multistrada V4s, Tiger 900, BMW F1000, F900, MT 09, Tracer 9 GT and more. As you can see some of them are more power full. I was riding also ATAS in 2022, but i was too short and i felt myself uncorfotable. Now it is perfect machine for a long distance touring for me.

@andrzejczarnecki5530

5 ай бұрын

uncomfortable😁

Because it's god damm parallel twin, or as I call it "the devil's engine". Harley's ADV has more punch and a v-twin. HONDA GOT OUTGUNNED BY HARLEY AT ADV BIKES 😂😂😂😂 Madness.

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

It may be the devils engine, but get used to them being around and in more bikes. They’re cheap to make and mass produce. Brands make a ton of money pumping these out all over the world.

@jimwitt21

6 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret yup, I'll keep avoiding them (except the gs8s)

@GreatEgret

6 ай бұрын

That GSX-8S is great bike. Probably one of my favorite videos I’ve edited for Spite.

This is a whining video! What are you talking about?

@GreatEgret

Ай бұрын

I get that you love the AT, but that doesn’t make me whining. It just means you disagree with the information. If you took the time to actually watch the video you’d see that I own an AT and I’m providing a different perspective. I’m a journalist. Stop being lazy and actually watch the video