Honestly, I'd say the force awakens was the real start to the downfall. Because in episode six the empire was defeated and luke was to build a new jedi order. TFA just hit the reset button and brought back the empire and destroyed the new republic and we didn't see luke's new jedi order. Fans accepted it, because it was the first time in over ten years a new star wars movie came out and it was a nostalgia trip and we fell for it. The last jedi was more of a wake up call if anything.

@yrooxrksvi7142

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. TFA was not a good story. It was a rehash, it has no world building, it disrespected Han, Luke and Leia AND Chewie, the new characters were just not that good at all, and it relied too much on sequelbait threads to get people hooked in.

@nicholascazmay2126

Жыл бұрын

It was ok, in a vacuum. I had my issues with it and didn’t think it was anything special. What they did to Han should have been an even bigger red flag than it was. The second film really showed something was wrong. I never even saw Rise because I knew it was probably going to be an unmitigated disaster - lo and behold it was exactly that and even worse than I would have expected per it’s reputation.

@googlethecat4218

Жыл бұрын

Such an underrated comment, this is exactly what I have been saying as well.

@ketalegaming2572

Жыл бұрын

All 3 new movies are utter shit

@buttlicker7670

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I feel like TLJ gets a lot of flak for problems that TFA created. Fans were so enamored with nostalgia and loved the marvel style quippy humor that they didn't stop to critically think about what The Force Awakens was setting up.

I remember seeing a full plot leak for the rise of skywalker before it came out, and I thought to myself "wow, this can't be real, this is worse than fan-fiction. if the movie is like this I don't even want to see it." And then I went to the theaters and the leak was accurate word for word, and that's when I gave up on disney star wars

@thewhitewolf3426

Жыл бұрын

Whoever the leaker was, was pretty much doing us all a favor if we have to be honest

@misterray8600

Жыл бұрын

I wish I got to see that leak bahah It was pretty hard to watch The Force Awakens cus it just got worse as it went on.

@brendonbuchanan1328

Жыл бұрын

Bro we literally have the same experience, me and all my buddies were reading it at lunch back when we were in highschool, and all of the star wars fans at the table were in disbelief, we all were saying "no they wouldnt bring palpatine back" "no this has got to be fake" and then when the movie came out and the leak was 100% right I was so pissed and was pretty much done with star wars, after being a diehard fan since i was 4 years old. The sequels literally made my favorite movies feel useless and they pretty much shat on everything I loved about Star Wars

@selfan2005

Жыл бұрын

I refused to even go see TROS when it came out, even though all my (then) friends were going to see it. For me, after TLJ, I was done with Star Wars. I only watch the OT or the PT, when they air on TV now.

@valydendor4472

Жыл бұрын

I think TLJ is worse than TROS for different reasons, but it at least has a mostly competent structure of beginning and end. TROS is the type of storytelling we had in highschool video class. Our FIRST highschool video class. And it still netted us a low grade.

I’m so glad I gave Andor a second chance it’s phenomenal

@jupiterapollo4985

8 ай бұрын

I used to think "who the f**k cares about this Andor guy, and why would anyone watch that lol". I was bored one week, and gave it a shot. And wow... They made me care about him that's for sure. Phenomenal show.

@Misery7531

8 ай бұрын

Andor is f****** terrible it's overrated I never even watched it or know a single scene but still

@ram3973

8 ай бұрын

The whole Mon Mothma side plot on Coruscant and the formation of the Rebellion being as close to what domestic terrorism would look like in the Star Wars universe is fascinating to me.

@ram3973

7 ай бұрын

@aadd2935 , I'll amend your last statement for my own personal tastes: "Andor" is the best DISNEY Star Wars that they've made... so far. But I find it hilariously odd that Star Wars has succeeded where Marvel has failed. Their event series on D+ are FAR better than their theatrical counterparts. And I say that knowing that I include "Rogue One" in my top three Star Wars films just behind "Empire" (#1) and "A New Hope" (#2).

@marveloussoftware4914

6 ай бұрын

​@@Misery7531so you know something is terrible that you never saw? You must have psycic power or are schizophrenic. I suspect the latter.

Im really glad you mentioned Fallen Order. Cal Kestis is pretty interesting but what makes that games story great are the villians. They're so well written into the story with actual legitimate reasons for their existence and their reasoning for fighting Cal

@movieoverload

Жыл бұрын

The villains in those games are incredible, I agree.

@lisaruhm6681

11 ай бұрын

Imo usually the villains make the Heroes good, the heroes can only be as good as the villains, because in order to beat them they need to be better, so a shit villain can not make a hero look good.

@haydentravis3348

6 ай бұрын

If only there were more. We're missing so many genres. I really miss Lucasarts, the games may not have been very expansive, but they had great ideas and execution. Empire at War and Jedi Academy remain installed forvever for how much fun they offer for almost no install size. They were light on story, but explored gameplay concepts that were ridiculously fun and intricate. Force powers and saber combat in Jedi Academy are still some of my favorite. And while Fallen Order may look very pretty and have smooth, flowing gameplay, being able to turn a stormtrooper into a pile of body parts just by turning on my lightsaber next to them is a satisfying feeling worth the bare minimum graphics to convey the process.

There's absolutely nothing defendable about how Disney treated Star Wars IP. Even J.J. Abrams and some actors admitted there was absolutely no plan for the three movies when they started shooting the sequel trilogy and Disney CEO Bob Iger said the main thing they focused while doing Episode 7 was copying the original movie. There was absolutely no creative vision. They treated the IP as cash cow ready to milk as much as possible.

@chrisbo5288

Жыл бұрын

Which proves that the downfall of the franchise started with episode 7 and not with 8 and 9. Even episode 7 is a complete shitshow and should be acknowledged as such. It may be slightly less shitty than its two followers buts its still a bad star wars movie and objectively a bad movie in general. The story is garbage, consistent characters do not really exist. There are lists of some character trades but no real characters. Their basic motivations change every 15 Minutes. The whole plot is completely unrecognizable. The story arc moakes no sense. Its a very bad copy of A New Hope. Thats it....

@kiaadams104

Жыл бұрын

Gotta reboot stars sequels how micheal Meyers did it... like how halloween 2018 ignores all sequels and picks up its story 40 years in future. For star wars. Scrap new trilogy. Make first two trilogies and manadalorian Canon and start story over from there, with a group of young force user students.

@whitewalker9862

Жыл бұрын

Sequel trilogy is a dead end and Disney knows it. Nobody will give a shit and pay to see what the hell Ray, Finn, Poe, Rose etc doing after Episode 9. Also some actors openly said they'll never do another Star Wars movie because they know the movies they starred turned into a shitshow and want no involvement anymore. The best option for moving forward beyond Return of the Jedi is completely ignore sequel trilogy like The Mandalorian did and erase them from continuation.

@joeyjerry1586

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisbo5288 , I always found it so weird that people say Force Awakens’s strongest aspect is its characters. Aside from Finn, each other character is the same character from the OT but 10 times worse

@dentangaji6161

Жыл бұрын

@@whitewalker9862 I didn't watch the series but i heard someone said that the mandalorian setting up something that will connect to the sequels. Not sure tho.

Please don't let Disney find out the Old Republic even exists. It's the only thing left that they haven't ruined. Let it sit in our hearts forever untarnished by Disney's incompetence.

@rolfanderson3925

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Ironically I’m thankful the prequels were so poorly received that Disney will likely leave that entire era alone.

@garfled23

Жыл бұрын

I used to think they should but this video made me realize how much they gonna butcher it

@edrrrk

Жыл бұрын

they're already focusing on the high republic its not long until the old republic starts being involved

@annabanana7659

Жыл бұрын

Even if they only have to follow Revan's story and have them play KOTOR, I'm pretty sure they will somehow F it all up because they can't help but twist the story to suit their needs. I don't trust the rat's team so much that I want to have a restraining order against them approaching that specific timeline. God knows what they'll do to Malgus.

@magnawaves

Жыл бұрын

High Republic exists. The KotoR remake, regardless of current status, exists. "Legends" isn't getting erased. The content is still there. Just don't consume the new media lmao you make it sound like you'll die if it happens dude

Perfectly encapsulates how I’ve been feeling. I love mando but for some reason I’m just not hyped for the new season. I’m just tired of mediocrity. Also grogu being back with mando so soon is awful.

@lauraverjan6831

Жыл бұрын

how dare you

@stevenarmstrong5467

Жыл бұрын

@@lauraverjan6831 no, he should dare you....even double dare you GROGU IS A FAILED JEDI!!!!! ITS OFFICIAL. REVAN KILLED MANDOS BY BEING NEITHER LIGHT OR DARK SIDE BO KATAN IS THE MOST QUALIFIED TO LEAD DIN IS JUST ANOTHER COSPLAYER #doubledare

@Mike-rt2vp

Жыл бұрын

For some reason? I think you know what the reason is. A company completely demolishes its biggest IPs in marvel and Star wars, and we're going to act like we have no idea. Okay. Try watching any of the critical drinker content on the related media.

@PacificDaneOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Cause season 3 is woke garbage

@Solaxe

Жыл бұрын

"I’m just tired of mediocrity. " *ignores Andor* ok

When Rey mind controlled a storm trooper when she didn't even fully believe the force was real yet, and then the first time she turned on a light saber beat someone who had trained their whole life, that was when I knew Disney Star Wars was bad. Throw in Fin gunning down his squad mates in glee just a few scenes after being too traumatized by combat to even shoot his blaster, and it's clear as day. TFA was a bad movie, but if you got carried away with the cultural hype it's understandable. It just means you have difficulty independently judging a film and instead use popular opinion in lieu of your own.

You nailed it with "couldn't let Boba Fett be Boba Fett in his own show."

@paulmichaelfreedman8334

Жыл бұрын

You mean the nasty cold blooded bounty hunter he used to be? I don't think that would work, having our hero doing all kinds of things that we humans see as evil. It's not a horror show. That image of him worked for the movies because he only had a few seconds of screentime over two movies. A bountyhunter whose background was unknown at the time. But definitely seen as one of the bad guys. The Boba Fett redemption arc is probably the only viable one. Too bad if it doesn't suit your personal vision.

@lightmagus

Жыл бұрын

@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Boba Fett was a ruthless man surviving in a ruthless galaxy, he went from "he's no good to me dead" to "I believe in honour and integrity" in a single episode. It was sudden, rushed, uncharacteristic and just bad, the whole draw of the show was seeing Boba Fett not that dude that gets threatened with violence and just shrugs it off.

@Nordlicht05

Жыл бұрын

@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 than this could be a double fail. Shouldn't let him the main character if this sum's up. Some kind of changing the feel of the brand into something other... Than maybe better make something new with another name

@paulmichaelfreedman8334

Жыл бұрын

@@Nordlicht05 Maybe, but we got what we got.

@KCAssassin98

Жыл бұрын

@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 you think it wouldn't work because you've only seen low IQ shows made for babies.

The saddest thing is knowing what this franchise could have been if it was in the right hands.

@geraltlobrok4055

Жыл бұрын

It would have been about the daughter Leia. The 2 first trilogy were about the father and the son Anakin and luke. Old man Darth maul would have been the villain with darth talon being the new Vader. Luce would have a Jedi academy and at the end Leia become a leader for the entire galaxy being her the choosen one of the force. Thats from a book from George Lucas himself, he sold Star Wars to spend more time with his daughter and family. So sad it had to be Disney.

@yungegger

Жыл бұрын

It's forever tainted 😭. I suffer with you my brother.

@SoldierSpiderx

Жыл бұрын

@@yungegger same that if KK didn't ruin it with her wokeness and female it the force shit, Star wars could be making million

@reignmans

Жыл бұрын

there is only George Lucas to blame about that. The moment he wanted to sell the rights it was kinda obvious he was gonna give em to the highest bidder. fck disney btw.

@albertabramson3157

Жыл бұрын

It was. The first six films were in the hands of the genius George Lucas team. We may never see Sci-Fi films of that quality again.

In my mind, there's either two choices who can go down to save Star Wars. Either go down the Old Republic route as you said, or go another route for a new story to follow after ROTJ (essentially a new sequel trilogy, one that builds upon George's work. )

@StoicSurvivor99

Жыл бұрын

Unless they downgrade the quality of the knights of the old republic as they did with their new trilogy. People with a slow brain cannot comprehend the quality and majesty of the story of kotor of what made these stories good in the first place.

@jasonbower7763

Жыл бұрын

You're wrong. Nothing can save star wars. It's okay to be wrong sometimes bro lots of people are wrong a lot.

@Spaijit

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonbower7763 okay...you good man?

@jasonbower7763

Жыл бұрын

@Sean Paijit yup I'm good how about you bro?

@Spaijit

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonbower7763 I'm fine, that last reply just felt a tad salty is all. No problem tho

The sad fact is that Lucas original plan for the sequel trilogy was having Darth Maul as a terrorist leader, adapting characters from the EU/Legends and Clone Wars, a New Jedi Order and even exploring the origins of the Force and alternate dimensions. The ideas were fucking awesome. The Last Jedi was a franchise killer.

Kathelen Kennedy has a long resume of successful shows but when you analyze her role in the development of those shows, she was not the show runner . She was an assistant. She didn’t learn anything. But she rose to the top the same way that shit floats up.

@Will21st

Жыл бұрын

the force is female.... tells you all you need to know about her.

@OdaKa

Жыл бұрын

@@Will21st no, that's just a coincidence

@misterray8600

Жыл бұрын

Yup, she was the Producer for Jurassic Park and you can see that series circling the toilet. I think the recent director just said they should have stopped after the first. 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤮🤮🤮🤮

@Kyle-fq4kq

Жыл бұрын

@@Will21st lol you think Star Wars sucks because a woman is in charge?

@iindeedexist6886

Жыл бұрын

@@Kyle-fq4kq I think he was trying to say that she isn’t the type of person that should be running the franchise

As Darth Traya would say: “Apathy is death, worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects.”

@enterbalak

Жыл бұрын

"Find what you're looking for amongst the death?"

@theprodigalknight7156

Жыл бұрын

"It is such a quiet thing to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it."

@misterray8600

Жыл бұрын

Ooh nice, I remember Darth Maul wrote in his journal that "pain let you know you were alive" I'd remember that more if Disney didn't make all the books and stories outside of the original movies non canon 🙃

I have to disagree with the TFA. It was honestly very overrated, and all the "promises" were hollow upon release. Much of the problems we have with the later Sequels really started in TFA. Rey being a Mary Sue, Finn being underutilized, Ren being a wimpy villain, wasting Legacy characters and overblown with Nostalgia. The "love" it got in 2015 was fake and blind. It was loved more to spite George Lucas and the Prequels. Nearly every review praising it always took unnecessary pot shots at George Lucas or the Prequels that it made me cringe. TLJ only made people realize how shit TFA really is. In my opinion, TFA was truly where SW began to fall apart. TLJ was just a wakeup call to how crap it was.

@virgogaming6488

Жыл бұрын

That's how I felt back in 2015 after seeing TFA.

I wanted to see Obi working through everything. He went from broken to a wise mentor from 3 to 4. I wanted to see that! And why is he afraid of Vader? He whooped his ass so hard he needed permanent life support for the rest of his life!

@ryz8

7 ай бұрын

It's over Anakin, I have the high ground!

@mishynaofficial

6 ай бұрын

Obi was not afraid of Vader, he lost the faith. Obi felt guilty for creating a mechanical monster, also he felt guilt he BBQd his BFF bro. That's why Obi was all weak and depressed and didn't have the Force with him.

I could never begin to put into words how painful it is that the passion I once had for Star Wars has now been replaced with cold indifference; and I hold Disney ENTIRELY responsible.

@misterray8600

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree, stay frosty

@MonoKrohm_2020

Жыл бұрын

@@misterray8600 for my galaxy far, far away

@goosewithagibus

Жыл бұрын

You don't like the old films anymore?

@Helmutlozzi

Жыл бұрын

@@goosewithagibus i mean I guess he does. But personally for me I just don't give a shit if they crash and burn the franchise because there's no use if getting involved in something that's so devoid of passion.

@kray97

Жыл бұрын

Ultimately I blame Lucas for selling out to them.

I hope Disney sees the response to Andor and realizes which way to go forward. however, andor isn't nearly as popular as shows like kenobi so I doubt they're going the quality route

@Adama.1

Жыл бұрын

but is the kenobi show really populair though? I bet it had way more viewers but that's because of nostalgia bait and many people ended up being dissapointed so idk man.

@sandtheintellectual

Жыл бұрын

@@Adama.1 Sure, but more clicks means more money for the big mouse at the top.

@animatedink2529

Жыл бұрын

Kenobi is not popular. Not even close. It’s reception mirrored or was even worse than Book of Boba Fett

@peter-paulkutschlojenga7336

Жыл бұрын

@@Adama.1 Well, at the end of the day, viewer amount is what counts, that's what I meant with more popular, more people went and watched it and that brings Disney money, not great reviews

@peter-paulkutschlojenga7336

Жыл бұрын

@@animatedink2529 It might not have been more popular with the core fan base, but a lot more popular with the average Disney+ user. And that is what counts at the end of the day

Mandolorian season 3 *should* be good. Oh... if only you knew 1y ago. And let's not speak about Ahsoka. Feloni being the savior? All hope is lost, SW is unfortunately dead 😢

The fact that so so so many Lucasfilm films and projects and films have been cancelled are grounds alone for Kathleen's firing. This amount of cancelled projects just doesn't happen in any other studio

Disney has consistently attacked the thinking fans, the ones who value character development, storytelling, continuity and the lore of the Star Wars universe. Disney wants mindless, unquestioning, consumption of assembly line spectacle. The old fandom would have appreciated Andor, but they're gone now. Andor is failing because the new "fans" don't have the patience or passion to sit through five minutes without an action sequence, a bad joke or a cameo. So, there's your future of Star Wars.

@virgogaming6488

Жыл бұрын

You can blame Marvel movies for that.

@Vekkxd

Жыл бұрын

@@virgogaming6488 100%

@ccvcharger

Жыл бұрын

@@virgogaming6488 you can blame the entire modern media landscape for that. Everything that is delivered on a screen has been trending this way for a little nearly two decades now.

@officialmonarchmusic

Жыл бұрын

This is sad. I'm sorry, but how is this not gatekeeping? I'm not that old, but that doesn't lessen my intelligence or attention span. You're also attacking fans who didn't like Andor. Maybe you should reread your comment because I'm not sure what you intended, but it doesn't look good

@achaudhari101

Жыл бұрын

I’ll attack the ADHD idiocy.

The sad part about Andor is that it’s looking to be a case of too little, too late. It does deliver among the best plots of the various shows but no one cares.

@bigollameo

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean nobody cares about its plot delivery? The show's gotten absolutely rave reviews from fans and critics and literally points the way to a maturing, well-received treatment of the IP.

@warshallwathers7971

Жыл бұрын

@@bigollameo bro ain’t nobody in the mainstream audience care about the show 💀

@bigollameo

Жыл бұрын

@Warshall Wathers Evidence: "Dude, I know what people care about."

@KaosNova2

Жыл бұрын

@@bigollameo The Audience for the show as measured by the recorded viewings is low compared to other Star Wars spin-off shows.

@christiandauz3742

Жыл бұрын

It is a Prequel to Rogue One (a good fucking movie) and we know he dies

26:21 Well, that didn't age well.

@Maarten-Nauta

Жыл бұрын

Bahaha thought the same, totally failed.

I watched the first 2 episodes of Andor and stopped watching it. A month after i gave Andor a second try and boy, i was surprised. The later episodes really got me. I love slow stories. Andor is down to earth storytelling and it actually feels real. I love the show.

I'm still a bit sore on how the new "canon" treated Luke and turned him into a bitter hermit. In Legends, while he wasn't perfect, he matured over time and the lessons he learned about the Force shaped the new Jedi Order. Seeing Luke act like in BoBF hurts especially when he made Grogu choose between becoming a Jedi and his foster father. Heck, he would've encouraged Grogu to spend more time with Din before continuing his training as a Padawan because for Legends Luke, attachment is something you must treasure but also be mindful of.

@lukedelameter7961

Жыл бұрын

Luke is someone who became a Jedi precisely because he was more hopeful, more loving, and more emotionally present than the Jedi before. That’s why he’s able to save Darth Vader. So seeing him instead repeat all of their mistakes is not only bizarre, but heartbreaking. Even worse than that, even though EU Luke messed up and failed several times over, he never gave up. Canon Luke did.

@liambowman5247

Жыл бұрын

@@lukedelameter7961 Exactly!!! A lot of the people who don’t understand why people dislike the sequels simply don’t understand the nuances of the characters that they absolutely butchered, and it can be really hard to explain to them.

@Ihavehadmanynames7779

Жыл бұрын

They did that to feed their men bad wahmen stronk agenda. Even han solo was annoying asf. Luke was a symbol of hope like tyr a hero to darth vaders bloodthirsty odin, this need for something to believe in even dates back to the ancients. it was a masterclass on principles and i think THAT is what they really want to see removed ultimately because that’s how you create confusion. We’re no different as societies as they were 3000 years ago. Wether it was mythos or made up tales i think this is what mr jrr tolkien was trying to recreate as well. Every piece of entertainment media is mind numbingly empty and superficial and i see right through it. You think it doesn’t matter but it does, everything matters. Kids look up to these creeps and it breaks my heart because i know some of them like me go to entertainment to escape their daily trouble and they can’t even do that anymore. I used to be one of those kids and i think that’s sad. It’s either that or they’re too brainwashed to even think for themselves.

@XgoodbyeX

Жыл бұрын

Yea they really ruined his character it's like they got an ai to make the sequels but at least cal kestis acts a lot like how Luke was in the original cannon so that gives me a small amount of hope lol

@XgoodbyeX

Жыл бұрын

@@liambowman5247 especially to kids who grow up on those movies and don't understand they were awful and just made to sell merchandise and toys

"Not you Andor. You've been great." 100% correct.

@Samonti-ns6od

Жыл бұрын

andor literally Saved Star wars.. it was way too much Good especially In This state of star wars..Andor felt like a breath fresh

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

@@Samonti-ns6od It’s a breath of fresh air

@yrooxrksvi7142

Жыл бұрын

@@Samonti-ns6od And 100 funnier jokes you can tell yourself. They said the same about Mando (massively overrated btw), yet here we are again. Don't get me wrong, not hating on Andor, but what can yet another trite Rebellion origin story do, sandwiched in between a mid kiddy show being Rebels and the god-awful Kenobi show ?

@triggeredboomer5867

Жыл бұрын

Andor is cheap Disney knock off Kyle Katarn and showcases everything wrong with Star Wars regardless of it being a good show or not. The dude has a Bryar pistol. The writers hate the fans. It's that simple.

@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343

Жыл бұрын

@@triggeredboomer5867 1. Boba and Kenobi are cheap looking. 2. No it doesn't. 3. What is even your point here? And 4. No they don't as it doesn't fall into the same tricks and problems of Boba, Kenobi and the sequels who rely heavily on nostalgia and cameo garbage. It's that simple.

" We stand here amidst my achievement, not yours!" - Lucasfilm to Disney

The description given here is as sharp as a scalpel and I so agree with so many of these thoughts, ''I hate this movie as much as I can'' there are millions of us who think so. When I heard Lucas say ''I sold my children to slavers'' we were already expecting the worst.

Star Wars was complete with the release of Revenge of the Sith. Some mini side stories, but the central saga was done. Not all franchises need to go on forever.

@jgamer2228

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, which is why I consider disney star wars non-canon

@OfficialDenzy

Жыл бұрын

They should have just made other star wars movies. Instead of continueing the saga.

@urshitheads

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficialDenzy I haven't even seen all of the Disney sequel trilogy. The only one I saw was Force Awakens, which was everything I expected from a studio made sequel to Star Wars from the guy who made Star Trek Into Darkness.

@dickmelsonlupot7697

Жыл бұрын

Like Halo. I seriously need to see Chief die or retire.

@calebhintz5374

Жыл бұрын

@@urshitheads I envy you

Whenever they said "we can't do better than Darth Vader, so we might as well turn that aspect into the new villain, not being able to live up to his grandfather", they clearly also said "we can do better than Luke, so we might as well turn that aspect into the new hero, being able to outshine Luke at every opportunity possible".

@MarlonBrando414

Жыл бұрын

Its at the point where random fans can come up with better storylines than multi million dollar story writing rooms, there was plenty of material from the EU they could have adapted, from the thrawn trilogy to the legacy comic series

whenever the goal of a movie is to propagandize rather than entertain, it falls apart.

As a kid I watched the originals adnauseum. I still have movies that I will rewatch every few years because they are just that good. I tried several times to rewatch these new movies and I can't pass the 20 minute mark. As visually gorgeous as they are, they are sort of like those Kaleidoscope screen savers we had in the 90's, just good enough for background noise.

The saddest part is that in Legends, the entire story following ROTJ is written. But Disney chose to completely ignore it, and then in a last ditch effort, cherry picked the Emperor coming back from Dark Empire. I will never forgive Disney for robbing us of Jaina and Jacen Solo.

@PaulusAlone

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! I second that emotion! 👍

@karenhall4645

Жыл бұрын

Jacen Solo's Darth Cadeus is a million times more sinister than Kylo Ren could ever be, and the transformation better written. Jaina Solo is a much more likeable version of Rey and not such a Mary Sue.

@liamphibia

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's like Disney/Lucasfilm said: "Actually screw the Legends material. Let's lie to George's face that we'll take proper care for this franchise, destroy the fanbase into two by hiring two nincompoops who don't know jack about the source material, and then finally f**k up this beloved IP! But who even cares since we just made a sh!t ton of MONEY"💰🤑 "Disney, entertain you we love."

@zippymufo9765

Жыл бұрын

What about Mara Jade? I thought she was the best new character of the EU.

@Kissamiess

Жыл бұрын

I think Bob Iger's plan was to mine the Legends for good stuff and sell it to us again repackaged, but Disney didn't even manage to do that.

The sequels did irreparable damage to the franchise, because they are where everything that came before and is set in an earlier timeline ends up. Everything they write now is something that eventually leads you to a trilogy of disjointed messy wheel spins and convoluted technobabble punctuated with people telling you their feelings loudly and directly into the camera, while winking and making yo’ mama jokes.

@benfromthesewers1688

Жыл бұрын

They really had to break community and old lore post endor.. I loved post endor lore (Imperial civil war)! And I think it was great expect few parts.. like palpatine and uhh few camio issues that came with weaker comic writers etc...

@Ag3ntP_

Жыл бұрын

You said it 💯

@kevinleewilliams5119

Жыл бұрын

When I think about Star Wars, none of the movies made within the past 20 years really come to mind, 1,2,3,4,5,6 episodes are kind of the story to me, everything after that, I literally forgot the new movies existed when I went back to watch the movies recently.

Imagine how much better things would have been if they adapted Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy for the sequels, eventually following them up with the Dark Empire and Yuuzhan Vong. It's sad how so many characters like Kyle Katarn, Mara Jade, Jacen and Jaina Solo, and so many stories will never see the big screen when they were all right there. Disney just chose to ignore them, made them all non-canon, for the purpose of telling their story that was 1/2 nostalgia and rehashing the og trilogy and 1/2 no plan and making it up as they went along. Say what you will about Lucas' prequel movies, at least he HAD a plan!

Star wars visions are the kinds of star wars movies we need there's several episodes in that show that could easily be their own movies or even trilogies specifically about the sith hunter Samurai. Such an interesting concept.

I think the best way to ease people back into Star Wars wouldn't have been to rehash New Hope, but to show us Luke and his new order, the new republic, and Leia and Han as a happy couple. Destroying all of that off screen isn't exactly easing anyone in. Especially with a tagline like "Luke Skywalker has vanished"

@Janx14

6 ай бұрын

Force Awakens feels like a very shallow attempt to appease those who didn't like the prequals. So gone was the space politics, complicated plots, or much world exploration, and instead they just made something trying to mimic ANH.

Some wise guy said this on the other side of KZread: "It actually all started with the Force Awakens. It literally undid everything the original heroes achieved. Relagated Luke to an island, leia to a failed general, and Han back to his smuggling ways. Turned a rebellion that won back into a small pack of "resistance" It also narrowed the world down again to just Skywalkers and recloned Vader and the empire in Kylo and the first order. I don't know why so many people fail to see how terrible of a setup TFA was for the rest of the sequels" And it sums it up perfectly most of the problems with sequels IMO.

Everything new is bad, until its praised 15 years later, StarWars has the worst fandom ever.

@GrumpyLib6969

3 ай бұрын

I’d be willing to bet my mortgage that the majority of these Disney projects will not be praised in 15 years. If anything, most of Disney’s early projects get more hate now than they did at release. People only disrespected the prequels because they overused CGI, had a couple annoying characters, and a bad script. It’s been praised recently because people actually have gone back and realized the heart, soul, and world development that takes place in the prequels.

Filoni taking over Star Wars would be the death knell. He is a 14 year old boy slamming his action figures together. He will go out of his way to decanonize the OT. He DOES NOT understand Star Wars.

The biggest problem with andor was marketing. I haven’t heard a thing from official ads, trailers, or outlets. Just the people I follow

@ccvcharger

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I didn’t even know it was out until the 3rd episode dropped, and then went a couple weeks without watching it because I had assumed that the heist was the series finale. But it seems like Disney has been dropping the ball with advertising lately because several of their recent projects have done poorer than expected for that reason.

@GalakStari

Жыл бұрын

They actually released the first 3 episodes at the same time. I don’t remember them marketing it like that, but I could be wrong.

@officialmonarchmusic

Жыл бұрын

Strange. I did

@supier_men7522

Жыл бұрын

It isn't even on the banner for Disney+

@u121386

Жыл бұрын

I saw a couple before it’s release. Afterwards though not so much. The same can be said for projects like the Bad Batch, I only saw like two ads for that series last year and they were for the season finale…

Let's not forget that when challenged by fans about plot holes/ logical storytelling, Rian and others who worked on the film just verbally attacked fans.

@whiskeycompany13

Жыл бұрын

Wasn’t that more in response to toxicity? I don’t like rian but let’s not pretend like the fandom isn’t a cesspool sometimes.

@decrulez

Жыл бұрын

@@whiskeycompany13 people vocally disliked the movie, yes there was toxic fans who also joined in but Star Wars in the biggest franchise in the world, odds are there’s going to be a few. Just because a few assholes agree doesn’t make it wrong, it’s partly why Solo performed so bad at the box office.

@whiskeycompany13

Жыл бұрын

@@decrulez I never said otherwise

@percrunner1433

Жыл бұрын

It wasn’t a “few” fans. The majority of the internet fandom was toxic as fuck. And still are.

@mscapeh4451

Жыл бұрын

@@whiskeycompany13 no it was verbal attacks

Rest in Peace Carrie Fisher!😭💐 You were too good for the sequels. Star Wars is nothing without you.

The worst thing that can happen to Star Wars has already happened: audience apathy. Most people simply don’t care anymore, and once you lose that momentum and fan passion, it is _incredibly_ difficult to regain it. I have absolutely zero interest in Star Wars under Disney’s purview. None. It’s dead to me because not only is it creatively bankrupt and incompetently executed, it represents nothing I adore about the property. For as bad as the prequels were in execution, at least the soul of the IP was there. At least it was about the universe, characters, mythology, and journey. About the trials and triumphs. Now, it’s all about treating it like a commodity and shell to cash in on. Show after show after show barfed up from the Mickey Mouse factory assembly line to sell tickets and fill rides. _This is not what people want, or why we were fans._ The absolute cluelessness of Disney and those managing Lucasfilm is remarkable to witness. I’m only immensely grateful that we have the three (unaltered) OT films, and they can never be taken away from us. I will treasure and remain incredibly thankful for those brilliant visions by people who strived to tell us wonderful stories that spoke to fundamental human truths and values, and who put commercial considerations in the background. Do it to tell us great stories, and the money will pour in. Do it for the money, and you will fail.

I grew up obsessed with Star Wars. I had countless comics and all the obscure books from the mid 2000's. I remember reading the Thrawn trilogy in middle school and thinking "THIS SHOULD BE MADE INTO A MOVIE" You can imagine my frown when I walked out of the last Jedi lol

@ramons8908

Жыл бұрын

That's what drove me mad, they already had the movie trilogy, they already had the strong female force user. but they got Kathleen, I don't read books, Kennedy and Jar Jar Abrams who just wanted a big pay check, so just did whatever shit Kathleen told him to do. I shouldn't say she doesn't read books, she clearly reads Twilight not Star Wars.

@schadracabaki9596

Жыл бұрын

i will never see the last jedi as the mistake. it was probably the best out of the sequel trilogy. i haven't been a fan since birth like most, so maybe my perspective is different, but Rey having nobodies as parents, and Kylo Ren killing Snoke, were both great twists in my opinion.

@flinnallen7076

Жыл бұрын

But it was so artistically done

@ramons8908

Жыл бұрын

@@schadracabaki9596 It's like asking me what's my favourite Twilight movie and saying the plot twists in Twilight was good. I just don't care. Read the Thrawn trilogy and see what Star Wars should of been. Rey is just an awful character, Kylo was an emo straight out of Twilight. Fin should of been the Jedi and Rey the dark apprentice after she chopped Kylo's head off. Thrawn Trilogy would of still been far better, but doing that would of made the Disney trilogy make some sense.

@schadracabaki9596

Жыл бұрын

@@ramons8908 They were never going to do a trilogy about a non-force user, it was unrealistic to set your standards there. I agree Rey was a horrible character, every main character of the Skywalker saga took a massive loss at one point, except her. I don’t recall her ever losing a single fight, let alone a limb like Luke and Anakin. Kylo was a good character though, he is widely regarded as the only bright spot of the sequel trilogy.

I was there in 1977, my fandom began. I was there in 2017, my fandom ended.

@darrengordon-hill

Жыл бұрын

BASD

@XnonTheGodd

Жыл бұрын

Champ

Man imagine watching this after Mandalorian season 3 and knowing how disappointing it was. The hope was real and the downfall seams even bigger because of this.

@nerdcantina5097

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing every time he mentioned it, i feel so sad honestly

TFA WAS GOOD ???!!! REALLY !!!??? The box office it did was simply star wars drought for 10 years NOTHING MORE !!!

Honestly I’m super excited Andor is getting another season. It’s been one of the best Star Wars shows that have been released along with the mandolorian. Especially with the amount of good writing in that show. Also I’m fine with not having another trilogy. I just hope they stick with the shows for rn. If people are really calling andor boring and slow then In my mind if films like war for planet of the apes and lord of the rings had came out this year people would’ve called that boring too. Sad thing is because of commercial movies like the whole marvel franchise and Disney in general modern audiences no longer care for a good story or plot. They rather have a movie or show with non stop action, cameos, and quips.

@kevinserafin2024

Жыл бұрын

andor is slow and boring

@diegoeduardoeudaveromo111

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinserafin2024 lol thats only a bait

@captainobvious90

Жыл бұрын

Well Star Wars is under Disney, so Disney can still churn out good stories like The Mandalorian and Andor. Some MCU content for Phase 4 has been good as well, and their Special Presentations are great. The Secret Invasion series is probably one of their more serious addition in the future. They probably just trying to experiment more with the formats to find better ways to introduce new characters before putting them in the big screen, and hopefully they put better people on their projects moving forward.

@Nightlizard1564

Жыл бұрын

@@captainobvious90 that may be true but the way they have been releasing the mcu movies and shows feel like they came straight out of an algorithm. Soo far in total there’s only been 5 good projects out of the entire phase. On top of that just feels like the mcu has become oversaturated completely. With phase 5 coming up there’s not really any direction or build up especially with phase 4. It’s to a point where I just feel completely burned out. With Star Wars they do the same but I feel like with them they take their projects more seriously. And sure obi wan and boba didn’t end up being too good but I’m glad tales of the Jedi and andor ended up doing well.

@animatedink2529

Жыл бұрын

Andor has been getting consistently low ratings and for good reason. This show is about a character who simply put, audiences didn’t care or connect with in Rogue One. Enjoy Andor? Well, bravo. A show should be well written and I actually can enjoy a slow paced story. But simply put, Andor doesn’t feel like Star Wars. And it still doesn’t paint Disney in a positive light when they failed to make compelling shows about characters audiences actually care about like Boba Fett and Obi Wan.

I felt very alone in 2015 when I came out of the New Hope remake so disappointed but everyone else seemed to think it was amazing for some reason. I stuck with it for a bit even though I very quickly noticed it was a New Hope remake. But I thought maybe half way through it would take a turn and shock me, do something unexpected. By the third act when the X-Wings turned up I realized nope, this was just a straight up New Hope remake and I was PISSED!

@callmeej8399

Жыл бұрын

You were one of the wise one’s I wish I was in your place back then

@antisocial8480

Жыл бұрын

No, your not alone I felt the same way.

@RevBrotherJackMusick

Жыл бұрын

Me too. I hated it from the start. Killing "Han Solo" (Jake Solo) was symbolic.

@jeremiahhendra2401

Жыл бұрын

I had issues with TFA when I watched it, but I was still excited for Rouge One and TLJ enough to see them in theaters at least 1-2 times. TLJ unfortunately killed my enthusiasm for Star Wars movies. Prior to that I couldn't have imagined I would miss a Star Wars in theaters. Now? Passed up both Solo and RoS in theaters. Money well saved honestly.

@darkwoods1954

Жыл бұрын

@@jeremiahhendra2401 I watched all original six film at the cinema (thanks to the special editions in the 90s) but now I can't imagine ever wanting to waste money going to the cinema to watch a new disney star wars.

I remember when the Force Awakens came out, it were fever pitch excitement and although it had some flaws, people enjoyed it. I remember going to watch Rise of Skywalker at the cinema, there were half a dozen people watching as opposed to it being sold out for Force Awakens.

@Sbock86

Жыл бұрын

Because of what they did to Luke in TLJ

@apreviousseagle836

Жыл бұрын

@@Sbock86 All three Disney movies were crap, but the Luke thing is what was the last straw for me.

@lordhellstrande2763

11 ай бұрын

I enjoyed TFA for a bit of it, but I will never say that it's a good movie. Just so much potential in all of the characters wasted

I really loved andor, it was refreshing to see something different with in the star wars universe. I’ve said this before, and it was mentioned here as well Filoni and Favaro need to be in charge of Star Wars why because they understand it, they breathe it and their direction for it could just be the thing that can save Star Wars.

It’s so heart breaking to watch George sign those papers for the Disney contract

@letmethink8350

Жыл бұрын

@@megazard5249 He has said he sold it due to Lucasfilms failing, and him not wanting to let down his 2,000 employees. But yeah, capitalism bAd.

@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw

Жыл бұрын

same, i wanted to give disney the benefit of a doubt although i was scared at the press release announcing the buyout, even went to TFA all dressed up as Boba Fett. I was gutted how they character assassinated every character to make a sorry copy of Episdoe IV. The Book of Boba Fett killed an even bigger part of me inside, they character assassinated my favorite character in his own show. Star Wars is my favorite franchise tied with Lord of the Rings, but everything post 2005 in both has been beyond awful.......

@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw

Жыл бұрын

@@letmethink8350 it was not failing. Not in any way shape or form, they made less money, yes. But that happens when you have not made a movie, but at least Lucas put his all into his work, or had competent people work on Lucasfilm projects, the exact opposite of disney. And Disney itself is the exact picture of what is wrong with capitalism, it is a true monopoly now

@letmethink8350

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw "It was not failing it was just losing money slowly but surely." Oh, sorry. A boat also isn't sinking as long as the water is pooling up slowly, right?

@letmethink8350

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw Also, your comment on capitalism is a half baked dive. We had sanctions in place to stop the formation of monopolies until beaurocrats embedded themselves into the government, as was warned by Thomas Jefferson. Greed is the word you seem to be looking for, and that transcends all forms of government or economics...

Honestly the turning point for me was the weird ass kids in boba fetts show that looked like they just graduated a California art school and rode space mopeds that was like so out of left field

@uriustosh

Жыл бұрын

California art school? Interesting choice of description.

@Dipskitz

Жыл бұрын

@@uriustosh yeah that’s the only way I could think to describe the clothes they were wearing it just felt like super out of universe compared to what some of the other characters were wearing

@dominicp9296

Жыл бұрын

Ya that was always weird to me to. And you nailed that comparison lmao

@benjaminvega7186

Жыл бұрын

Considering that it was a shout out to George Lucas' American Graffiti, you're not wrong

@Dipskitz

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminvega7186 just looked it up cause I didn’t know what it was, but that’s still such a weird choice at least in my opinion. Like I feel like if there was something happening on Coruscant they’d fit in but tattooine felt a little forced for something like that.

I fear you give Filoni and Favreau far more confidence than they deserve.

When I watched The Rise of Skywalker, I didn’t know how to tell if a movie was good or bad. I really struggled to not turn off my TV and when it was over I said “What the actual fuck did I just watch.” I wanted a new villain, and I really hate two lines in that movie. “Somehow, Palpatine returned,” and “Rey SkyWalker.”

What I will never understand is why Disney decided to discard The Extended Universe. There are so many good stories between the novels, comics and video games that they could have translated to great movies and tv shows.

@spank9898

Жыл бұрын

Lmao they took the dumbest part of EU and made it canon. "Somehow Palpatine returned"

@TheDJBagpuss

Жыл бұрын

They could have just filmed Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy (edited down for time) and it would have been 8 million times better than the Disney trilogy but NOOOOOOO that was obviously too sensible lol

@decrulez

Жыл бұрын

The idea was to start fresh and “purge” everything instead of going through each book and deciding on cannon status (because damn there was some dumb shit) which would be easier to keep things “cannon”. Unfortunately for some dumb reason they never had an overarching story in mind when creating the sequels, possibly to prevent leaks. This lead to TFA which while fun it’s also full of mystery boxes full of disappointment. TLJ was then a deconstruction of Star Wars and was supposed to build it back up but it was extremely flawed in its deconstruction as it misunderstood so much about the universe both cannon and philosophy. Finally TRoS was doomed from the start, TLJ train wreck threw out everything people were interested in from TFA leaving nothing exciting or satisfying for the trilogy to end on.

@danf7411

Жыл бұрын

A long time ago in a galaxy far away the same events took place on similar planets 30 years apart.

@misterray8600

Жыл бұрын

Yup I've got a head full of non canon stories. I like to say that I've forgotten more about Star Wars than fans these days have ever learned. I might get that tattooed

George Lucas, mostly BY himself wrote 6 movies with a start and middle and an end. Yeah he had problems and yeah he had help in certain areas for the OT. But ONE guy with yellow notepads and 2B pencils made BETTER stories than anything Disney has put out in a decade. My 2¢

@hsthatzo8063

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly why the artist is more important than the machine behind it.

@NebLleb

Жыл бұрын

NO. He actually wrote ONE script for ONE movie, which proved to be so large in scope, he had to chop out a good deal of it, and save the remaining stuff for sequels. Do your goddamned research before hand.

@ReidDesigns

Жыл бұрын

@@NebLleb oh thanks… for making an ass out of you and me. Go read Secret History of Star Wars and be silent. Thanks

@Oldhandlewasabitcringe

Жыл бұрын

George only wrote 123&4

@spiritualarchitect4276

Жыл бұрын

Fact is, in 1980 George said that he had written out studies/drafts for 9 movies. He made the fourth one first because he did not know if he would ever make another. That is why the middle 3 were seen first.

Oh god, they are. They are fan films. Disney is giving these indie budgets and hiring indie directors and paying entry level wages. For Star Wars. Lol. Like, we're getting what they paid for, I guess...

Personally, I haven't cared about watching Andor for 2 very simple reasons: 1) I lost interest in Disney Star Wars - The Mandalorian was fine for a season or two, and I was very invested in the Clone Wars, but beyond that I just don't care anymore. 2) I'm not getting Disney+ ... I don't care what they put on that streaming service, I got enough subscriptions to various streaming platforms already, I'm not getting another.

Imagine a Star Wars production that combines the storytelling and pacing of the Mandalorian with the tone and screenplay of Andor. This type of production would’ve been great for a show like boba fett, or a movie like solo. It’s so frustrating to see that Disney has the capability to create peak Star Wars content, and yet they fail to put the puzzle pieces together… it’s just pure incompetency from the executives

@danielschoch4881

Жыл бұрын

Grogu shoulf have been kept out of the picture for more time with Luke. This would have sparked the interest more in him. But instead Disney just thinks on quick cash grab. It also usubverts the relationship with Mando a bit. Because at the end of Season 2, Grogu realised that the Mandalorian loves him and he (Grogu) loves Mando. But he can let him go and does not need to be near him all the time. Knowing someone loves you is enough and was perfect fot him to become a jedi. A jedi as he should be. but now it is a regress.

@mario97br

Жыл бұрын

@@danielschoch4881 Next usurpation: The Story revolves more around Grooku than Mando. We were teased with badass bounty hunter action and it turns into child care. Next Grooku is the one holding the dark saber and turning into "The Mandalorian". It's his show, not Dins, it even starts with him being adopted to the Mandos.

@spacejunk2186

Жыл бұрын

This show would be ass because Mando's writing is ass.

@treyday4846

Жыл бұрын

Kathleen Kennedy is over 70 lol why is she still running star wars ? My theory is her farther did favours for powerful people as he was a a judge that liked to bang movie stars 🤩

@MIAspartan

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of 343 industries. They have all the pieces and the instructions, they’re just too incompetent

It's criminal that we havent had an adaptation of either the Thrawn trilogy or the Knights of the Old Republic story. Hell, theres so many rich backstories that could be put to screen, like General Grevious. He could have an entire trilogy devoted to his tragic story.

@spaceghostcqc2137

Жыл бұрын

I think an adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy is coming. Either when CG gets good enough to bring the original cast back for a full movie, or as a multi-show cross-over. KotoR I think they wanted to do the remake first (honestly I'd prefer that to a film) but that's had production issues.

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

KOTOR would succumb to curse of video game adaptations and fans would throw a fit

@LippyHungstocking

Жыл бұрын

Or even the Anderson trilogy. There's even plenty of cannon from the comic books i.e. The Sith Wars or Tales of a Jedi

@nicholasbajan3989

Жыл бұрын

A knights of Ren film would do so well to explain much of the crap that went on with the sequel trilogy. I would say most people would probably give it a look since kylo Ren was a cool character to say the least

@nicholaswesoloskie7194

Жыл бұрын

give tony gilroy a thrawn series

"Mandalorian season 3 looks like it should be good" 😬

'Filoni and Favreau get what the fans want' - boy, has that statement aged poorly.....

Nah man Finn is interesting for the first 10 minutes of force awakens, when you still think he might have some kind of character arc and we might learn more about the years he spent being conditioned and trained, when your still thinking that those years might have an impact on how he acts around his friends and that it might make the process of trusting those friends harder on him… right up until he’s shooting down his own comrades like 2 minutes later because Poe is his new best friend and Finn is just the awkward comic relief now….

I doubt Andor had a higher budget then Obi-wan. I think it really just came down to the competence of the people making it. Like, Andor used real sets, so a lot of the quality is due to the people who found the places to shoot ("location scouters" is their actual title, IIRC). Hiring a good location scouter probably doesn't cost much more then hiring a bad one, but if Tony Gilroy knows good location scouters then that will play into how good the final product is. At the end of the day, just hiring the right people has more to do with a quality final product then hiring a *lot* of people - just look at Rings of Power, they spent billions and it still *looks* cheap. They spent, like tens of millions of dollars on an ocean set so they could make a 'shipping' pun in the final episode, lmao.

@BinksTheSith

Жыл бұрын

Obi-Wan seemed like it had a higher budget actually, the people that andor actually did their job and wanted to do a good job even though they are getting paid anyway

@ojogbaneamedu2501

Жыл бұрын

Icl one thing Rings of Power definitely doesn’t look like, is cheap. You can see every cent they spent on that series and it’s about the only universally praised aspect of the series.

The fact that we didn't get to see Vader reminiscing on Padme in this show is not a crime.

I like how the best scene in the Obi-wan show was one without Reva and had nothing to do with her.

I don't think Andor's poor performance has anything to do with the show at all. I think it's mostly just that the previous shows like Kenobi or Boba Fett were so bad that people have lost faith and don't even give Andor a shot. Just like how noone watched Solo after TLJ.

@virgogaming6488

Жыл бұрын

Also Andor is a dull character to make a show about. He was very dull in Rogue One.

@clanofshadows

Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking

@LoneWolf-rc4go

Жыл бұрын

They really needed to release Andor a few years ago (after Rogue One had been on the cinema and before the franchise was carrying the baggage of several, at best, mediocre shows).

@clanofshadows

Жыл бұрын

@@LoneWolf-rc4go fr just a string of mediocre star wars content games and movies and shows save for a couple things here and there

@immortalfrieza

Жыл бұрын

@@clanofshadows Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Fallen Order, Clone Wars, Rebels... the vast majority of Star Wars media after Disney got it has been great.

Andor completely changed my view on this franchise. I'm not saying it's gonna go this direction. If anything I'd bet good money against it... but it made me realize there's actually room in this franchise for thoughtful storytelling - and fans out there who are interested in and appreciate such content. That's good enough for me tbh - I was sure star wars was a doomed IP and had checked out of this entire scene years ago. shit, I wouldn't even be commenting here were it not for Andor, that's how little I care about star wars otherwise.

@kbg12ila

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. After Obi Wan I was so done with the franchise. It's funny that the next major project was the one to bring me back in. If the producers were smart they'd look at what star wars stories/characters are popular with audiences and get the creators of their most successful projects to adapt them. The Gilroys, Jon Favraeu, Dave Filoni.

I never understood why TFA needed to be a rehash of ANH to “ease fans back into Star Wars.” True fans didn’t need an updated version of episode IV to enjoy a new Star Wars film.

Andor had a cameo! Probably rhe best cameo in the whole series! It featured Kyle Katarn's Bryar pistol in the hands of Cassian. I had to pause the show several times to get different angles of it and was super excited when i found out it was the same model! ❤

I believe you are giving Disney and by extension Kathleen Kennedy more credit than they deserve. They had absolutely no plan, no story arc, for the Disney Trilogy. Their lack of a story arc is pretty well documented. This coupled with the fact that none of the Disney movies are rewatchable like the first Trilogy and to a lesser extent the prequal Trilogy leaves Disney Star Wars totally forgettable and people are able to walk away from it.

@LadyDoomsinger

Жыл бұрын

JJ Abrams whole "mystery box" philosophy only works, if the person who fills the box actually knows what's in it - otherwise it's just an empty box.

@michaelkaine9452

Жыл бұрын

Exactly they aren’t part of GL’s story so I don’t follow or care form. His story ends in ROTJ and that is the story I choose to follow.

@magic8340

Жыл бұрын

The story arc was: make KK...sorry, Rey solve all the problems.

@tosutaa

Жыл бұрын

Kathleen Kennedy also had very little say in the shows and movie that were actually good. Everything she has touched in recent years, has been hot garbage at best

@nocturneuh

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

The nostalgia for Force Awakens was powerful at the time, but it's pretty much gone now This is what happens when you make a film that only relies on nostalgia to draw in its audience Also kind of ironic how Abrams wanted the film to mark a return back to the OT style of Star Wars when the film is littered with CGI and has marvel style humour. It couldn't be further from what Star Wars actually is.

@immortalfrieza

Жыл бұрын

The Force Awakens was the nostalgia trip Star Wars badly needed after the Prequels were so terrible and was good enough on it's own merits. The Last Jedi was the shake up Star Wars even more badly needed after Star Wars had become stale and predictable... and then Rise of Skywalker walked back on all of that by acting like TLJ never happened and making the whole trilogy an incoherent mess.

@Onezy05

Жыл бұрын

@@immortalfrieza Disagree. Force Awakens had some of the most shallow worldbuilding I've seen in any film, and that set up all of the problems in the rest of the sequel trilogy. The nostalgia just blinded people to the flaws and lured people on with its obsessive 'mystery boxes'. The Force Awakens was denial. The Last Jedi was anger. The Rise of Skywalker was grief.

@immortalfrieza

Жыл бұрын

@@Onezy05 The Force Awakens showed Star Wars fans that Star Wars was actually going to BE Star Wars again. TFA didn't need much world building because the OT had already long since done most of the work. All TFA needed to do was teach us about and develop the characters and it did it. One of the problems with the prequel trilogy was all the long scenes of nothing actually happening while everybody stood around spouting unnecessary exposition for the sake of "world building" in a galaxy that everybody knew was going to drastically change and make nearly all of it irrelevant by the OT anyway, rather than like the Sequel Trilogy trusting that the audience had brains and thus didn't need every last detail spoon fed to them. The sole problem with the Sequel Trilogy was the "fans" that hated on The Last Jedi for no good reason, leading to Disney actually listening and acting like TLJ never happened with Rise of Skywalker. Nearly everything wrong with Rise of Skywalker can be traced directly back to doing everything possible to pretend TLJ didn't happen. Up until Rise of Skywalker the whole trilogy was perfectly set up to rival if not exceed the Original Trilogy.

@virgogaming6488

Жыл бұрын

@@Onezy05 I agree, TFA is so incoherent and nonsensical with how it sets things up that TLJ had no other real choice but to wipe the slate clean of the messy mystery box storytelling. And no worldbuilding to explain how the state of the galaxy got there.

@Onezy05

Жыл бұрын

@@immortalfrieza All of that 'unecessary exposition' was necessary for telling the story of how the Republic became the Empire in the first place lol. Everything with the Trade Federation, Clone Wars, and political scenes set the groundwork for why the Republic became the Empire and how the Jedi were dispatched of. It builds a world that's about to be torn down and explains why that world and it's systems fail. Everyone goes on about how TFA FEELS like the OT when what they're really saying is that they just like the return of the familiar aesthetics. The humour is unlike anything in the OT, there are CG effects galore, and the camerawork is a far cry from anything that came before on a consistent level. All that's familiar is the OG cast and the surface level aesthetics. By just retreading the familiar aesthetics of the OT, Abrams ended up regressing the situation from how it was left in ROTJ. He wanted to make Han Solo the familiar smuggler we first met in ANH instead of progressing the character from where he was last left off. But in doing so, Abrams made Han a loser who's lost all of his achievements and character progression from the OT .... off screen! Is the First Order still the same entity as the Empire? If so, how has it amassed more resources to create the monstrously overpowered Death Star 3.0? Why didn't the rebuilt Republic stop them? What even is the new Republic like? Where did Snoke come from? Why is Finn the only Stormtrooper to defect? What's the mystery behind Rey? Why did Luke seclude himself on an island when the galaxy was in its deepest peril.... again? These were all questions TFA set up that hooked people on at first. The potential for a good story was there because.... uhhh ... I don't know, we'd find out what the real story was about in the next one! Rian Johnson was kind of written into a corner in this regard and had to manufacture artificial and inorganic solutions to these mysteries. Yeah, he chose to make those crappy decisions (albeit with some great cinematography and actually innovative ideas) but TFA was what wrote him into a corner in the first place

I personally think the "return of palpatine" was inevitable in the sequels, Disney was going to be doing this plot one way or another. I still think they should've done that in the force awakens and not in the last movie in the trilogy.

The fall of Star Wars began with being sold to Disney. The fall of Disney Star Wars was Ep8. Star Wars would still be universally rewatchable if not for Disney

“Theme park filmmaking” is the best phrase I’ve heard to describe this

I don't think Filoni or Favreau want to rule Lucasfilm, they would probably have to step back from directing or be creatively involved in their projects.

@ccvcharger

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that Favreau is also pretty involved with Marvel.

@rakoonshampoo2608

Жыл бұрын

@@ccvcharger I mean he’s not doing much from the creative side and they could always kill off his character in armor wars or something

@madgavin7568

Жыл бұрын

Its also important to mention that Filoni and Favreau are not the answer by themselves. They make all sorts of mistakes in their products that prevent them from being perfect. Granted they're definitely better than what the producers at Disney can come up with, but not so much to the point where they're our next hope.

@ccvcharger

Жыл бұрын

@@rakoonshampoo2608 fair enough

"Star Wars" ended on Endor.

I just don’t understand how they didn’t have a plan when they literally had a blue print laid out for them in legends, which is still better

I love it when you have all these feelings bubbled up inside of you and you don't know how to express them but then you watch a video pointing out those exact feelings you have. It is just so satisfying and that is what happened to me with this video

Do you remember in the force awakens where solo showed up with chewy to take 3 new hopefuls to the new Jedi Academy? The child soldier finn, who's connection to the force dragged him and the uncanny pilot poe to escape the heart of the empires remenants, where the force brings them together with rey, a genius trapped on a broken world waiting for parents who would never come. Old enough to learn the lessons of her parents, but to young to remember the the sith who hunted them. Remember when the movie ended, the falcon dropped from orbit to and flew over a jungle to see a temple with hundreds of young adults, practicing with a man in a hood, he turned and drops his cover and we see Luke smile and wave? Wasn't that great?

@TheRogueJedii

Жыл бұрын

That would have been amazing

@FullMetalHans

Жыл бұрын

This would have been friking amazing! Amazing!

I will always hate Baby Yoda and what he represents. The last desperate gasp of a company that has literally nothing but marketing to offer it’s fans.

I agree with everything you said about "The rise of Skywalker". The damage is why we haven't seen another movie.

@PawelLeszczynskipav

Жыл бұрын

And I haven't seen anything from the star wars universe since. It's just unbearable.

It killed me inside watching Cad Bane die in the most brainless action sequence I've ever seen

@sigma_archive8782

Жыл бұрын

It’s so funny that they introduced him in ep 6 too. If he was a main villain from episode 1 they could’ve done so much more cool shit with that show lol.

@Biggammer-jh6hs

Жыл бұрын

Cad bane didn’t die. He was just stabbed and his droid will prob save him.

2015: I was a longtime Star Wars fanboy, and dressed as a Jedi for TFA showing at my theater. 2023: I hate Star Wars, could care less what they do now. Good or bad.

No shows in 2012? Bro, clone wars still going strong lmao. Dinsey were the ones who cancelled it the minute they bought the ip. Star wars was getting the most content in its lifetime at time of sale. Swtor had just come out, 1313 was in the works, clone wars was hitting its peak...

I think a major problem with Boba Fett’s character… is that mando is basically who we wanted Boba Fett to be based on the 6 minutes of screen time he got in the original trilogy. I don’t really think they knew who they wanted this new boba fett to be.

@volcanish1301

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Though, I think they can work. I said in another comment but, Mando and Boba on a spectrum of good to evil, they're both near the center but Mando leans more towards good whereas Boba leans more towards evil, but they're both in a grey-area none the less.

@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw

Жыл бұрын

exactly, Boba Fett was supposed to be the ultimate badass, the most feared man in the galaxy after only Darth Vader himself.... but he is a wimp in his own show...

@Lichelf

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem is that the real Boba Fett is a bad guy but Disney won't let him be that. They went all in on him (and Mando) being 95% good and only being a morally bad bounty hunters for their introductions and cliffhangers.

@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw

Жыл бұрын

@@Lichelf more or less, but not really. Boba even became a friend of the Skywalkers and helped save the galaxy while being the Mandalore 🤷🏻‍♂️ he was written as a good guy while keeping all the qualities that define him (skillful, proficient, respected, etc.)

@Lichelf

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw I must have missed that part of Book of Boba Fett.

As awesome as Hayden and Ewan’s performances were in the cracked masked scene, I hope everyone knows the scene was *stolen* from _Rebels._ No, _Kenobi_ writers couldn’t come up with even that.

@theopportuneson699

Жыл бұрын

@Samuel Rodriguez Next time, check IMDB.

@nigeltheoutlaw

Жыл бұрын

The show ripped off multiple other Star Wars properties, but why is anyone surprised? The first mainline movie straight up plagiarized A New Hope.

@ProfessorGroyper

Жыл бұрын

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.”

@BabyMatiny

Жыл бұрын

though i do like the sort of “poetry” it created. ahsoka removed the left side of vaders mask, obi wan removed the right side, but only luke could remove the entire mask

@BinksTheSith

Жыл бұрын

@@BabyMatiny damn

when reva was like “have i become him” or whatever she said in the finale i was like no bitch u ain him, u will never be him honey

There hasn't been a good Star Wars movie since 1983. And Return of the Jedi was already showing signs of the series eventual decline.

Worst part is that, even the parts were you point they were doing a good thing, we can argue that they were not only bad but detrimental to the story as a whole, for example yoda teaching luke something he already knows from more than 20 years.

@OfficialDenzy

Жыл бұрын

Nah the Yoda and Luke part was good. The only good thing in the last jedi

@spinosaurusstriker

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficialDenzy i just explained why isn't good, unless you have a better explaination why.

@OfficialDenzy

Жыл бұрын

@@spinosaurusstriker Yoda didn't teach something new. He tried to bring coward Luke back to his senses.

@GodwynDi

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficialDenzy Which should never have been a thing. The assassination of Luke's character is one of the worst travesty in the movies.

@OfficialDenzy

Жыл бұрын

@@GodwynDi When did I say that? The last jedi was a flop but the scene with Yoda and Luke was the only good thing.

When The Mandalorian released i was sure Disney was gonna begin to realise that what we need is some creativity, and considering it draws so much inspiration from the western genre i was convinced we was gonna get some more genre based movies/tv shows set in the star wars universe, like an action packed buddy cop movie or a phsycological crime thriller or something.

@I_Cunt_Spell

Жыл бұрын

Maybe even some horror? "Project Blackwing" *wink wink*

@TheDemigans

Жыл бұрын

It wasnt just the genre, it was also the way they set up the story. The second season (and Boba Fett) showed how it could fail. Instead of a focus on a persistent story that builds on previous ones its far more focused on telling a single story in a single episode, with a tiny bit of overarching story. You could see that they build up a threat, and then because they were almost out of runtime for the episode all the bad guys instantly evaporate. You could see the corporate hand basically saying “but we want to build a bunch of shows and we dont want to put a lot of money and effort in the story so you are going to try out if this works”. Even though they just showed what works: make an overall consistent and compelling story that fits with the rest of the canon for the most part.

@akeelyaqub2538

Жыл бұрын

A psychological crime thriller in the underworld of coruscant would be amazing if done right.

@philstory2556

Жыл бұрын

cyberpunk coruscant lower level film when

@I_Cunt_Spell

Жыл бұрын

@@philstory2556 No cyberpuke.

Disney dismissing the "expanded universe" was one of the worst moves ever. Proven stories with characters that were already familiar to hard-core fans dismissed to repeat the OT but worse. Your work was cut out for you!

"It felt familiar" Because it was A New Hope we have at home

There is nothing wrong with liking the prequels, both the OT and PT share many problems, but each is excellent in its own right, where the OT is excellent in storytelling, the PT is excellent at worldbuilding, as of lately tho, it looks like they nitpicked the worst pf both trologies and made it into shows. Thank god we still have legends

@officialmonarchmusic

Жыл бұрын

The PT is excellent at worldbuilding. AND storytelling

@TheZamaron

Жыл бұрын

@@officialmonarchmusic It's just flawed at dialogue, but yes when you look closer, the PT does have a great story.

@officialmonarchmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@TheZamaron I don't even see how THAT is true. (Excluding AOTC) The prequels actually have dialogue that's good at the worst great at the best. I've never understood the complaint. (Again, excluding AOTC)

@TheZamaron

Жыл бұрын

@@officialmonarchmusic I’d say it’s up to the individual.

@officialmonarchmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@TheZamaron But what is an example of that not in AOTC?

Red flags were put up for me in episode 7. Everyone in my friends circle wrote these flags off as "cynical" but episode 8 killed it, buried it, and everyone was in massive denial about it. I stopped caring at that point and I feel I got the better half of the deal because it was a fast death and I mourned and let go. Everyone else held onto hope as if Star Wars was a brain dead patient on life support where the family (fans) are still convinced that person will recover and wake up.

@Terminalsanity

Жыл бұрын

I think we were all able to largely overlook the short comings of 7 because it did an effective job at establishing the new characters an we all figured they go on to iron out the rough spots as they went in to develop them and the new status quo... then TLJ dropped 😬 and instead of developing the new characters and advancing the setting establishing a clear picture of where things stand in the Star Wars Universe, Rian Johnson wasted most of the runtime runtime cynically and superficially deconstructing the metatextual narrative of the OG trilogy and Luke, leaving Rey, Finn, and Poe spinning in their wheels while reducing Kylo and Hux into joke incompetent villains while wasting Snoke and Phasma entirely. Basically instead of building anything and anyone up to climax TLJ wasted all its time tearing down and doomed ROS to be a dumpsterfire that would have now serve as act 2 & 3 with no credible central antagonist. Granted while dredging up Palpatine was probably the worst way to handle that problem I understand why a hack like JJ who relies on the mystery box gimmick desperately tried to hang his hat on the nostalgia button there was a whole lot to work with and there wasn't time enough time to build up what Rian should have built in the 1st place. TLJ is was a Sh!tpost of a film that practically doomed ROS to be just sh!t. Like I really thought about how to course correct from TLJ but at the end the day the best I could come up with shifting the role of primary antagonist to one the Knights of Ren who violently deposes Kylo after his poor leadership is resulting in more and more Stormtroopers defecting in the Stormtrooper uprisings that the Finn has been leading in the interim as Rey and Poe and undermine and Disrupt First Order counter operations at every turn becoming an devastating effective team that has successfully turned the tide rebuilding the resistance in an even greater fighting force than it ever was. It mean the outline is better than ROS but I admit it not that good it relies on a while lot of developments happening offscreen between films and leaves us with a wholly new villian basically getting introduced in the last film there was just no easy way to get around the damage TLJ caused by not performing the role of a 2nd act.

@512TheWolf512

Жыл бұрын

Hehe. I watched ep8 with my brother, who's a massive SW fan (or was at least) and it was really funny how differently we reacted to the movie. At least ramming at lightsepeed looked awesome from a purely aesthetic perspective

@earnthis1

Жыл бұрын

Episode 8 is one of the best movies of the whole canon. You look silly pretending the Phantom Menace or Attack of the clones is better. You just look desperate and angry, or you were little when you saw those and you are biased and foolish! lololol Either way WHATEVER BRO!!!! lololol

@Terminalsanity

Жыл бұрын

@@earnthis1 Okay Skip now that you have all those pointless over compensating ad hominems attacks out the way are you going to actually address the points criticism being made? If not be on your way and just agree to disagree.

@Diana-ny4bc

Жыл бұрын

@@Terminalsanity seems like a troll.

I walked out of the Force Awakens and never looked back.

You perfectly summed up all my feelings on the Obi Wan show in this video. Cheap feeling is exactly how i would describe it and the fact that they tried so much to focus on an uninteresting character that nobody wanted instead of two of the most popular characters in the franchise is just baffling to me. That one interaction between Obi Wan and Vader after his mask is broken was the one thing that made the show worth watching for me. that has become one of my favourite scenes in Star Wars and it really just hammers home what this show could have been if it was given the care and budget it deserved.

You should watch Tales of the Jedi it’s a super easy watch. The Ahsoka ones were good but the Dooku episodes were next level especially his last one. Check them out.

@xxcaptninjaxx4301

Жыл бұрын

Tales of the Jedi was fucking trash dooku episode are not bad and Ahsoka episode are pretty bad.

@broda5310

Жыл бұрын

The dichotomy of man on full display here

@oXRaptorzXo

Жыл бұрын

@@xxcaptninjaxx4301 there’s nothing bad about them besides episode 1 being slow

@xxcaptninjaxx4301

Жыл бұрын

@@oXRaptorzXo they stole name from comic series and Ahsoka episode were unnecessary look pretty bad.

@oXRaptorzXo

Жыл бұрын

@@xxcaptninjaxx4301 tales of the Jedi isn’t exactly a hard name to come up with. Also, they literally own the comic series. They aren’t stealing anything. The Ashoka stuff was unnecessary sure but that doesn’t make it bad. They are objectively good