It is extremely telling that I legitimately completely forgot they destroyed a planet in rise of skywalker

@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009

10 ай бұрын

That reminds me of something The threat in the movie is so immaturely absurd that it becomes non existent A trillion death stars will blow up the galaxy And a planet being destroyed feels like nothing, it's insignificant

@salvatoreg26

10 ай бұрын

I read this comment and my first reaction was....wait did they? When and wich one? I do not remember

@mickeyconnor830

9 ай бұрын

​@@salvatoreg26Kajimi. Idk if I spelled it right. It's Zori's planet.

@boom1759

9 ай бұрын

They killed mostly storm troopers on the planet lol

@raspiankiado

8 ай бұрын

​@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 What even happened in the sequels?

Watching this video made me realize something about this movie... I had absolutely no recollection of 99% of it.

@NyJoanzy

Жыл бұрын

I'm baffled by the protagonist having her character rewritten for the last third of the trilogy. It's such a weird movie.

@Youtube_is_Trash

Жыл бұрын

@@NyJoanzy they brought back Palpatine, there was literally nothing too far for them. Wouldn't have been surprised that jar jar Bink was Palpatine in a plot twist

@williamgregg6459

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_is_Trash Jar Jar being a second Sith Lord is a really good fan theory, explains a lot of the issues behind the prequels.

@jonathaneckersall2939

Жыл бұрын

Same I kept watching the clips of video in the background and I just couldn't place any of it. They really did want us to forget about what just happened in the previous scene so the present one will make sense.

@jekw23

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathaneckersall2939 I think it was summed up best when referred to as “Star Wars - Stuff Happens” it’s really just a compilation of people running around a lot.

“Rey buries Luke and Leia‘s light sabers for all eternity at the one place Luke couldn’t wait to get away from, in the one material that the guy who built it couldn’t stand.” LOVE IT.

@Preserbius

5 ай бұрын

Also the absolute worst material to bury something in

@stoltobot

4 ай бұрын

The story is deeper than I originally gave it credit for being 😂😂

@kohtahirano4546

4 ай бұрын

Would've made more sense to bury them on Naboo with their mother Padme. But if Anakin couldn't have the same luxury, guess the kids couldn't either. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Iliadic

3 ай бұрын

It's a burial of hate, not of love. It would've been more respectful to throw it into a star.

@Riley-nq3tc

2 ай бұрын

Also, fucking steals their namesake...Meaning Palpatine (at least through blood) *CONTINUES* his fucking insidious ownership of the Skywalkers

Finn leading a stormtrooper rebellion would have been so cool. It would make his past relevant and important to his development.

@XantaliX

7 ай бұрын

Also it would've been a massive call back to Star Wars Rebels. Heck he could have been related to Zare Leonis, which would've been LEGENDARY. He could've been a descendant of Leonis's sister, now THAT would have been awesome (and tragic tbf)

@512TheWolf512

6 ай бұрын

But alas, Disney are racists, can't have a black man be truly important in a story.

@ObeseChess

5 ай бұрын

It is absolutely wild how much better Trevorrow’s story is!

@paddyq3235

5 ай бұрын

​@@ObeseChess I wouldn't say that. I watched a read through of the script and while it has good concepts its still not good. In this video he only really hits on the best aspects of the script and avoids the dumb parts.

@ObeseChess

5 ай бұрын

@@paddyq3235 oh, I read it too! It wasn’t perfect, but I thought it was quite a bit better than what we got.

To me it felt like the entire sequel trilogy was a high school project that started with passion, and ended with deadlines, confusion, and a "just get it finished" mindset.

@CJ-je4hd

Жыл бұрын

Imagine how much better it could have been if they just extended the deadlines by a few more months

@129das

Жыл бұрын

reguardless of media and Disney lies the story has gone of the rails and cliff with TLJ,. it was not a salvageable project at that point. Solo movie not that bad, not good ether but most fans were still pissed many never came back.

@cptnbustanut

Жыл бұрын

@@129das yeah the only good movie in my opinion was Rogue. It was a darker story and everyone died. That's how you tell a compelling story. Not with some overpowered Mary Sue that never trained a day in her life and is somehow more powerful than all previous jedi masters that lived.

@lunarvision

Жыл бұрын

Plus, Rey is just not a great/likable character. As time goes by, I find myself no longer able to cheer for her.

@RenegadeBilbo

Жыл бұрын

@@lunarvision Rey would have been a fantastic character had Disney not given her the "Ermagherd can literally do any and everything with no actual effort cuz woman" trope.

She called herself Rey Skywalker for tax evasion purposes and I am surprised everyone missed this clearly outlined point.

@hyperion3145

Жыл бұрын

Palpatine faked his death for tax write offs

@josepablolunasanchez1283

11 ай бұрын

I had fallen in love of the scavenger Rey. Can you imagine someone who could make force sensitive machines? But no, they had to turn her into Chuck Yeager and later into El Zorro. From there it went down. I have the scavenger action figure, the only good thing about the film.

@shauntaylor9717

11 ай бұрын

I think the lease for the farm property was still under Lars and Skywalker, and so get around squatting she just took the property over....later on realising there was about 2 million owed in back rent

@mickeyburnsmusic

11 ай бұрын

That’s the same reason she buried the lightsabers like Ivana at the golf course. Gotta get them intergalactic tax breaks in line

@Lektuerekurs

11 ай бұрын

I would rather guess inheritance fraud

A 7k year old sith lord would've been one hell of a story

@yurifairy2969

5 ай бұрын

honestly, that guy should've been the villain. sounds like the biggest badass in the galaxy.

@aaronvoss38

4 ай бұрын

i think they should have went with the cloned sith. like armies of force using clones@@yurifairy2969

@collinthebenevolentbandit

3 ай бұрын

Agree! That's where I thought they were going with Snoak...he was even older, higher up the Sith chain, and more powerful than Palpatine. So in effect, Kylo Ren and his relationship was more direct, efficient and evil. Instead of Snoak --> Palpatine --> Vader, they cut out the middle man and it was just Snoak --> Kylo Ren. But then they killed off Snoak and never explained who TF he was, and I was just like...what in the literal hell was that character's existence even about???

@lukecodz

2 ай бұрын

@@collinthebenevolentbandityea snoak was so cool but literally served no purpose

@SPFray-ss5pu

2 ай бұрын

@@collinthebenevolentbanditsnoke

I'm sure I've seen The Rise of Skywalker, but it must have been so unmemorable that halfway through this video I seriously questioned if I had seen the movie

@collinthebenevolentbandit

3 ай бұрын

Honestly sames LOL

@lukecodz

2 ай бұрын

yea i was like “did star wars have a 9th movie with palpatine in it? nah that mustve just been a dream”

@fishfossils8858

2 ай бұрын

Same, i know i saw it opening weekend, but it was so boring and forgettable, i became a WH40K fan.

Kinda ironic how "The Rise of Skywalker" ended with the bloodline's extinction and a Palpatine stealing that name.

@chazzitz-wh4ly

9 ай бұрын

Something, something “muh theems”.

@orbaitv5991

9 ай бұрын

She didn't steal anything

@customsongmaker

9 ай бұрын

He could save other people's names from extinction, but not his own. Ironic

@Mighty_Atheismo

8 ай бұрын

.... I am so mad now that I've had it framed to me this way. Damn you sanic

@readyorknot2344

8 ай бұрын

Where waz Zombie Skywalker... anyone?

I just can’t understand why they were so obsessed with having horses involved. They got rid of so much but they HAD to have horses

@RicardoAGuitar

2 жыл бұрын

Three words: Girls. Love. Horses.

@doomsdayrabbit4398

Жыл бұрын

@@RicardoAGuitar Kathleen Kennedy is just a grown up horse girl.

@jeremiahsagers135

Жыл бұрын

I think I remember hearing that Lucas liked to have people riding beasts in every star wars movie. I don't know why, and I can't find it quoted anywhere online, but I guess they couldn't find a better way to incorporate that into the movie than having horses galloping on the side of a star destroyer.

@JonnyCraig33

Жыл бұрын

12 year old white gurl Becky loves horses 🐎 gotta reach every audience member mmk

@DysmasofTailholt

Жыл бұрын

@@RicardoAGuitar three words: girls. fuck. Horses

It's crazy that one of the biggest flaws is because JJ Abrams doesn't believe characters don't have object permanence. Truly, a creative genius

@connycontainer9459

7 ай бұрын

He united Star Wars and Star Trek fans..

@HappyLarry.

7 ай бұрын

@@connycontainer9459 into disliking his movies, yeah

@MSpotatoes

6 ай бұрын

Call him by his true name. "Lense Flare"

@random.3665

5 ай бұрын

....He DOESN'T believe that characters DON'T have object permanence? As in, he believes they do have it? Is that a typo, or am i missunderstaning something here?

@Garnopolis

5 ай бұрын

​@@random.3665it should read JJ Abrams is legitimately re t8rded

I love how they made the movie make less sense as they went. Fucking incredible.

Have to say: The earlier drafts sounded a whole lot more coherent than what the movie ended up being...

@skyrimguy217

11 ай бұрын

Honestly that original script actually sounds decent

@John-X

10 ай бұрын

Ya & I wanna say the first line of this video "Bad Movies aren't made on purpose" is wrong, because Ruin Johnson actually set out to make a bad Star Wars movie to kill the franchise.

@StevenSummerfield

10 ай бұрын

It's not only coherent but kinda follows the already established lore within the Star Wars universe (mostly legends tbf), which would've instantly made the film 10 times better. What we ended up with is basically the foot notes of what was originally intended but instead nothing is ever explained or justified ("Somehow Palpatine returned" as an example) and the movie just feels soulless and hollow. As if they literally just went from plot point to plot point with absolutely no clue how or what they were supposed to do in the meantime.

@RoboRoby321

10 ай бұрын

They just got so scared that they decided to dedicate a whole film to destroy what they were building and go "see guys we did all you asked please like our movie"

@GanjaLibre

9 ай бұрын

Still sound like a convoluted mess, a little less than the original though

Knowing how palpatine came back is literally one of the biggest criticisms of the movie, because if he’s alive that invalidates the entirety of the OT

@EpicJoshua314

Жыл бұрын

Palpatine returned very similarly in Dark Empire 5 (1992)

@gabrieldevoogel6225

Жыл бұрын

@@EpicJoshua314 I know, and I think that wasn’t good either, only reason I don’t hate that novel was the execution, but that is a good point to make in response to my argument so thank you!

@HAFBeast91

Жыл бұрын

Palp could have come back in a better way. Maybe we find out that Snoke was just a fake projection of Palpatine and also that Palp is responsible for Luke and Kylo Ren having their disagreement. Maybe Palp put a vision of fear in Luke and he had his PTSD breakdown.

@gabrieldevoogel6225

Жыл бұрын

@@HAFBeast91 or that Snoke was his Starkiller Equivalent, Palp trained him to kill Vader should he turn and then after he died he did the sith possession thing, and just like that (and using their very weird point about Palpy being a ghost possessing Rey) I’ve made a much better reason for something stupid to happen

@leiferikson850

Жыл бұрын

@@EpicJoshua314 Dark Empire at least respects Anakin by letting him part of the story as a force ghost, who is Luke's moral compass at times (who struggles to fall to the dark side in his studies to defeat Palpatine) and finally being the key of defeating Palpatine forever. Luke could only destroy him physically, its Anakin who sealed him in away in the Afterlife after that in a great display of father & son teamwork.

I think the main problem is that they had all these cool shots they wanted in the movie, but rather then giving some of them up to better the plot, they twisted the plot to get those shots into the film.

@periidote9778

5 ай бұрын

the writing advice "kill your darlings" would have really helped here. sometimes you need to get rid of the things you love in most for the sake of the overall story.

@matthewmatthew981

5 ай бұрын

In their defense/ to play Devil's advocate, when doing Star Wars you can't really be too sure if the replacement shot you'll be creating instead of your dream shot is going to be any easier to produce, and the low price of "Have horses in makeup run 20ft on a soundstage" looks really good on the producer's budget list.

@Kevin_Street

5 ай бұрын

Not just shots, but also characters and scenes. And despite this tendency to hold onto story elements through multiple drafts of the script, Finn's story was the one they ended up cutting the most.

@MistyMountainPath

4 ай бұрын

Innovative technique called 'backwards filmmaking'

@nicholalehtimaki3597

3 ай бұрын

Also all those shots look like shit

The Duel of the Fates draft actually makes so much sense. It's as if they took bits from the actually somewhat coherent story and rearanged them into the monstrosity we witnessed.

@StofenThe1st

7 ай бұрын

Eh it was better but if you read through the whole of you'll see plenty more issues. Not quite as many as we got in the end but enough to sour it. At least it actually gave Rey the double bladed lightsaber, still don't understand why they never gave it to her in the end.

@ObeseChess

5 ай бұрын

@@StofenThe1stIn fairness, it was a first draft. It did have a lot more potential as a coherent narrative, though!

@DuplexWeevil337

5 ай бұрын

​@@StofenThe1stat least it was just mediocre and not bad 😂

@StofenThe1st

5 ай бұрын

@@DuplexWeevil337 I guess so. At least it included my beloved super star destroyer Eclipse!

@nothingissimplewithlloyd

5 ай бұрын

My question is just… why?

Remember in Jedi when 3P0 said "it's against my programming to impersonate a deity-" and Luke said "just do it!" and 3P0 did it without having his brain wiped? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

@emcee_spokesman

Жыл бұрын

They remember it so we don't have to

@QueenKunniK

Жыл бұрын

eh, they probably pushed out a security patch in 40 years between the movies

@SamuriLemonX18

Жыл бұрын

Droid DRM was invented after RotJ

@logicisuseful

Жыл бұрын

Ehh, not really comparable. Threepio had no idea what Luke meant when Luke said, “Tell them you’ll use your magic…” His protest at that point wasn’t “It’s against my programming” - it was (verbatim) “What magic?!”

@larrylambert1220

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that the Pepperidge Farm guy is Sith.

I can't get over it that someone at Disney thought that the fans would hate seeing Coruscant and especially the Jedi Temple after all those decades ... This absolutely proves, that no one at Disney (at least in this triology) knows anything about Star Wars lore

@coronin8587

Жыл бұрын

The idea of it being a crypt world is also really interesting. Could play into the idea that only the upper parts of the planet were evacuated and the rest of the dark underbelly is still there, becoming a mix of nar shadaa and korriban

@Jackal_El_Lobo34

Жыл бұрын

I think it shows just how out of touch they were.

@kenetickups6146

Жыл бұрын

The only thing disney knows is "Fans hate the prequels and love the originals"

@colinluckens9591

Жыл бұрын

No one at Disney knows S*** about Star Wars lore - and what is more, they don't CARE.....

@samuraigeorge71

Жыл бұрын

@@kenetickups6146 Well, they were right about that at least.

44:39 Just the thought of Kylo playing that song over his built-in helmet stereo is sending me into the stratosphere

@collinthebenevolentbandit

3 ай бұрын

That 6 seconds of this video had me more stoked about Kylro Ren than I ever was at any point in watching any of the actual 3 films LOL

@occam7382

9 күн бұрын

And the stormtroopers just looking at him walk by and going, "Did you hear that sh*t?"

"She wanted a villain for the final movie that would connect all three trilogies together." That's why Rian set up Kylo to be that villain, to not need an additional threat.

@tweda4

5 ай бұрын

Except Kylo was about as intimidating as an angry toddler, and barely won most of his fights on screen at this point, being hopelessly outclassed by Rey. As it is, the world building was 4 shit, so it's hard to say how powerful or weak the first order is in general. So it's not like you can use the might of those bumbling idiots to develop Kylo into a real threat.

@richardjulien3345

5 ай бұрын

​@@tweda4kylo had potential to be a great villain the writers just screwed the pooch. Adam driver is great in the role and the character design is pretty cool

@tweda4

5 ай бұрын

@richardjulien3345 I mean, sure, I guess. But that argument is basically an excuse for the entire sequel trilogy; "if the first film was more than just a re-hash of 'A new Hope' then it would have had more opportunity for an interesting story." "If the Last Jedi didn't completely neglect any and all world building then maybe the first order would be a more defined threat, and the lack of any response by the galactic community by the first order blowing up 5 planets would make more freaking sense" "If Kylo had been able to win literally any of his fights with Rey, or had shown an impressive use of the force more than just in the first half of force awakens, maybe he might have been able to be more of a threat" "If Hux wasn't written as a comedic punching bag in TLJ, maybe he could have been an intimidating enemy general and propagandist instead of having to be replaced in the last film with someone who could still be perceived as a threat" Etcetera...

@richardjulien3345

5 ай бұрын

@@tweda4 it's not an argument for anything it's just me being butthurt about them screwing up something that could've been great

@user-hk7hz9cn7v

5 ай бұрын

Rian is the worst thing aside from Kathleen to ever touch this franchise

what a gorgeous trainwreck. every time i look at footage from the movie divorced from context i’m like “man this looks nice. i wish the movie was good”

@magicalglitch8801

2 жыл бұрын

"I wish the movie was good" is uniting a ton of old school Star Wars fans right now. Everything after George is just fan fic now.

@quanicle101

2 жыл бұрын

@@magicalglitch8801 i mean i still think the prequels are dogshit so for me it’s less “everything after george” and more “everything from 1999 onward”

@magicalglitch8801

2 жыл бұрын

@@quanicle101 That's a respectable stance. My sister agrees. She's happy to let it end with the first 2 or 3 movies. I didn't mind the prequels too much. I'm one of the very few people who actually liked the midichlorians thing.

@quanicle101

Жыл бұрын

@@magicalglitch8801 i can see how some people might like the the idea of making someone’s force abilities something that’s measurable. but i personally preferred the ESB explanation of the force where it’s more metaphysical and less about how many magical bugs you have living in your bloodstream

@user-gu5dv7vj8r

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't even look nice. Its oversaturated garbage.

It's funny how the movie went from having a ton of interesting ideas to almost using none of them. The movie reeks of too much interference by too many people instead of letting one person control the overall story. It seems like there were too many people saying, no don't do that which left it with little direction it could go.

@SamnissArandeen

2 жыл бұрын

So, it was the opposite of the Prequels. Seems like what JJ wanted after all!

@breastfeedittoyou1548

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think enough people were saying no.

@Bustermachine

2 жыл бұрын

@@breastfeedittoyou1548 Hilariously, that might have been one of the weaknesses of the prequels as well. Lucas is a great ideas guy, but in the OT he had a lot of very capable people around him who shot him down when his ideas got too 'out there'. I mean, Harrison Ford and Carrier Fisher would just tell Lucas to his face when they thought his dialogue was bad and dumb. While poor Ahmed Best got dragged along by Lucas turning his silly on set skit for Jar Jar into the characters entire personality. Don't get me wrong, I think everyone has softened on the prequels over the intervening years, but lets not forget that they still have huge flaws.

@breastfeedittoyou1548

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bustermachine It's just nostalgia. I will admit the prequels dialogue as cheese but I still love them. For that matter I love the original trilogy and there is plenty of cheese and overacting in those especially from Luke.

@jonathanlgill

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like the movie REALLY needed an additional year of development. Disney needed to realize it'd be healthier for the franchise to not enforce such unreasonable deadlines even if it hurt their shortterm revenue.

It's baffling that this is how movies this expensive are made. Thanks for your hard work!

1:15:38 I laughed so hard at your summarization of the ending. Burying the lightsabers in the place Luke couldn’t wait to leave in the material that the man who built it couldn’t stand🤣🤣🤣💀 It perfectly sums up what frustrates me about the sequels, a trilogy I was genuinely excited for and kept giving chances to.

@glauberglousger956

7 ай бұрын

Add Leia being a slave, and Shmi dying, no Skywalker has had pleasent memories of the place

@Vlad_Ibarr

7 ай бұрын

I don't like sand, it's coarse, rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere

@Adeon55

6 ай бұрын

@@Vlad_Ibarr Especially in the crevices of my lightsaber

The fact that Finn rallying former stormtroopers to the resistance wasn’t used is so painful. Would have been a huge moment for his character and brought him full circle, instead of him unfortunately just being along for the ride in the other movies

@adamaenridi7272

Жыл бұрын

Also it would've been a really strong movie moment, like when the Rivendell elves arrive to the Helm's Deep before the battle starts.

@DeathSithe92

Жыл бұрын

remember black people don't sell in China and China is Disney's number one market for films.....can't have that pesky Finn doing anything center stage : /

@HEARTS-OF-SPACE

Жыл бұрын

REY!!!!! REY!!! REYYYYY!!!

@thelittlewateringhole5576

Жыл бұрын

Wasted, just Wasted. Press F to pay respects for Mr. Boyega.

@GabrielCosta-xt1dv

Жыл бұрын

@@DeathSithe92 What are you talking about? Gay people don't sell in China (and not so much for culture but straight up government censorship) Black people are fine...?

I'd argue that "somehow, Palpatine has returned" also undermines the ending, because... if he could come back from death once, he could do it again? What is it that makes this death so final when getting chucked into an exploding reactor core didn't do him in permanently? Say what you want about Dark Empire, but it at least gave an explanation for HOW Palpatine returned, and WHY his death at the end of that storyline would be permanent.

@kylemaw988

Жыл бұрын

Of all the issues I have with this film (and there are many) this is one of the most fundamental for me, and I feel like I’ve talked about this in the same way you describe it here. I’m not familiar with the Dark Empire stories, what’s the explanation they give there?

@Tzilandi

Жыл бұрын

@@kylemaw988 So, a lot of this will sound familiar, because Rise of Scubwalker cribs shamelessly from Dark Empire, despite Dark Empire having been decried by Sequel-defenders as a story so bad it justified rebooting the post-Return of the Jedi setting. So, Palpatine in Dark Empire had set up a cloning program in case of his own untimely demise. When he dies, he just possesses one of his young clone bodies. BUT! The clones are not capable of housing him permanently; sooner or later, they burn themselves out, forcing him to repeat the process. So he hits upon the idea of possessing the body of one of Leia and Han's children - they're all Force sensitive, and so should be able to handle the strain. Of course, this plan fails, because a Jedi named Empatojayos Brand gets in front of Palpatine as he tries to make the transition between his final clone body and the infant Anakin Solo. Taken directly from Wookiepedia: "Brand grasped Palpatine's spirit and took it prisoner within himself. Being eaten alive by the darkness within him, Brand sensed the despair and anger within Palpatine as he died. Palpatine spoke through the Jedi one last time before he died, cursing the Skywalker bloodline. Brand bade farewell and died, carrying Palpatine's spirit with him to be held prisoner for eternity by every Jedi who had become one with the Force, never to be resurrected again." So basically, that "And I am alll the Jedi!" stuff at the end of TRoS? Imagine that, but actually decent.

@Flaris

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'd completely disagree with him that it doesn't matter how Palpatine returned. It absolutely matters to make the conclusion of the story mean anything. What's different about this death? Not that anyone really cares about future Star Wars movies after the sequel trilogy. But in theory it'd be good to explain how the villain is back so we can be sure he's not coming back again.

@humanmerelybeing1966

11 ай бұрын

@@Flaris I mean it's fairly obviously he had a parachute under his robe at the end of ROTJ. We know that space has air based on General Grievous's "clothes" moving as he walks along the outside of the ship in episode 3, so it's entirely plausible that Palpatine paraglided to another planet.

@andruism7

11 ай бұрын

Well I don't want to spoil it for you, but somehow Palpatine returned.

Every single (and I mean EVERY) alternate telling of the rise of skywalker is better than what we got.

@stuartriddell2461

3 ай бұрын

And they are all terrible. That says alot.

The Rage Against the Machine track at 44:32, then adjusting the audio at 44:38 to appear as if it's through (Ren's) headphones is funny and brilliant. Too bad this manufactured sequence wasn't in the actual movie, which would have made it a million times better.

@brannonkirkhuang

3 ай бұрын

It’s so good. The song fits the shot perfectly.

@JimHamiltonIII

3 ай бұрын

@@brannonkirkhuang I grew up on Star Wars. I was nine when I saw the first movie. Since, someone, somewhere asked themselves, "how can I utterly, spectacularly ruin the childhood of millions in the span of a two-hour movie?" TROS is the tragic, insulting, money-grubbing result.

@brannonkirkhuang

3 ай бұрын

@@JimHamiltonIII I actually really enjoy episode nine! I just take it for the fun, stupid ride it is. I feel like all Star Wars films are fun and stupid in their own way. That said, I re-watched the scene from this video of Kylo walking with that song playing in his helmet like ten times 😭😭😭

@TransDrummer1312

2 ай бұрын

I was like half dissociated watching this because I'm pulling an all nighter, so when his tone shifted making fun of Kylo's emo moment, smash cutting to the uncensored needle drop of Killing In The Name Of's ending... I *howled* with laughter. And then laughed until I cried when the audio changed to sound like he was pummeling his ears with it the Sonic force of a Death Star, to the confusion of his troops. 10/10 gag, no notes.

@bl1398

Ай бұрын

@@TransDrummer1312the stormtroopers look at each other “wtf you hearing this?”

Legit half the problems with this movies plot comes down to trying to maintain the original drafts beats but trying to put a square peg in a round hole I kinda feel bad now

@KrolKaz

2 жыл бұрын

It was never going to be better than the originals or the prequals simply because the original creator wasnt involved. It's basically a high budget fan fiction movie.

@Tyler_W

2 жыл бұрын

@@KrolKaz I don't agree with that at all. Tons of excellent Star Wars stories have been told without the direct involvement of the creator. Most of the EU was exactly that. At most, there were things Lucas rubber stamped with his seal of approval after they were created or when they were in the process of being made by others.

@CheeseOfMasters

2 жыл бұрын

Well the original script was bad as well, but the circumstances being that if followed the first two movies it's as good as we were gonna get, I believe.

@Edax_Royeaux

2 жыл бұрын

@@KrolKaz I would argue that JJ thinking "true Star Wars is A New Hope and Empire, screw the prequels" and Rian thinking "the fans hate not being able to moving past A New Hope and Empire" doomed whatever trilogy they tried to make. The Force Awakens have no references to the Prequels and The Last Jedi ends up retreading the ground the prequels already covered while breaking the characters in the process.

@thereturnofdarthcaedus

2 жыл бұрын

these movies betrayed me too my core they destroyed han luke leia chewie lando and more they even made this frenchise oke it was already woke before disney even bought it i can name charecters in the old eu way better than rey and yes these charecters are way better than both rey and ben solo plus rey is not a true skywalker in the sequel trilogy they killed off han luke leia including their very own son ben solo why kill off a charecter after that said charecter gets redeemed and brought back to the light

The fact that you forced me to hear the phrase “Big Sheev’s Nasty Nut” and yet I still enjoyed this video should speak to its quality.

@ThePrimith

Жыл бұрын

Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when he said it.

@brittanyhancock-brown4564

Жыл бұрын

When I tell you my jaw DROPPED

@Sekushiwolf

Жыл бұрын

Creamy Sheev strikes again.

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

it reminds me of when Jenny Nicholson was talking about cloning and how Palpatine should have been looking, and I quote, "smoooooth and sexy!"

@CJ-je4hd

Жыл бұрын

@@Sekushiwolf He can't keep getting away with it!

One of the things about the sequel trilogy that really let me down but I hear virtually no commentary on is how they abandoned the cinematic language of the Kurosawa inspired original trilogy. For instance, there was time lapse, flashback, slow motion and a ton of other cinematic techniques that were not present in the originals. The cinematic language of the og trilogy was such an integral part of its identity, the screen wipes and cowboy frames. Sticking to that toolkit is part of what really makes you feel like you are watching a Star Wars movie. When you add a bunch of new things then it loses that specific identity and you feel like you could be watching anything-a Nolan film or something.

@wren1024

5 ай бұрын

I never thought about this but you are entirely correct

@KD-ou2np

4 ай бұрын

I just remembered the screen wipes! Small detail but it adds a lot of character. Too campy for jj abrams I guess

@MariOmor1

3 ай бұрын

The fact that literally every other Disney Star Wars product (Mandalorian, Book of Boba, Bad Batch, etc) uses the screen-wipes and other OT techniques makes the sequel trilogy more foreign from OG Star Wars

@nickwebster1980

2 ай бұрын

I mean the biggest part of The Last Jedi is the Rashomon retelling of Luke’s story, which is directly pulled from the titular Rashomon, a Kurosawa movie. TLJ also had a fair amount of screen wipes and references to media that isn’t Star Wars. The Abrams ones went away from it but it’s not a sequel trilogy problem.

@Riley-nq3tc

2 ай бұрын

I get what youre saying here but that seems unnecessarily restrictive. Sure, Lucas drew heavily from Kurosawa but he also loves Ozu. Movie Serials and old westerns were hugely influential along with WW2 Fighter Plane picturesļ Lots went into the look of star wars. Tbh the guy who best understood and replicated that was Rian Johnson, who looked heavily at a wide array of international films and allowed their influence to settle in

I REALLY can't believe Disney allowed any of these Movies to be made without having the story written and properly fleshed out first.

I think the most important line here is the last few sentences: "People forget that making movies take time." - but it is not the audience which should be reminded, it's the producers and the film studios. Looking at the time table in 2017 should have raised red flags all over the place. It is so sad that the inability or unwillingness to shift the release further back into the year 2020, brought us this thing.

@bradleyjacinto7732

Жыл бұрын

That for me is the big take away from this video. I'm not as angry towards the creators botching the final chapter and more so understanding that this film was given a heavy load that was not going to be easy to sort out. Especially with the time they had and that condensing the film and bending the script to the point of breaking was something that was forced rather than consciously done.

@Necroxion

Жыл бұрын

That's a problem for the whole series. TLJ is the one with the fastest writing time

@marcsoren7

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, wish that they did the same way with the other trilogies and had three years in between each entry rather than two

@aceshighdueceslow

Жыл бұрын

@@marcsoren7 or they have everything, effectively, ready to go from day one and get most of the work out of the way before the first movie even hits theatres, like how Lord of the Rings was filmed

@Jiub_SN

11 ай бұрын

@@bradleyjacinto7732 the issues started in the TFA, no amount of time (other then prior to TFA) would have helped

Here's something that might have helped the trilogy: *a consistent plot*

@derkeheath5172

7 ай бұрын

That was J.J.'s job, and he failed miserably, just like with Lost.

@shawndashno6022

7 ай бұрын

​​@@derkeheath5172Absolutely!! That mystery box crap can work for TV shows, you have time to figure out how it all comes together. With movies though, it just creates confusion. It's like he couldn't help himself, and just threw in too many of his mysteries. The saber, Reys backstory, what's up with Finn, why doesn't Han have the Falcon, where's Luke, and on and on!! Handing it off to multiple directors, without a plan was a HUGE mistake too.

@mariokarter13

7 ай бұрын

There was something of a plan, but it was thrown so completely off the rails by The Last Jedi that the original director quit and J.J. had to come in to course correct the course correction.

@Crystalgate

7 ай бұрын

@@mariokarter13 Maybe, but I'm going to press X to doubt. If there was something of a plan, that something was likely rather vague and not necessarily very helpful for the next writer. Too much about The Force Awakens seems halfassed for to have much faith in JJ's planning.

@MasterIceyy

6 ай бұрын

This is basically some guys having 10 story beat ideas, and then playing connect the dots, the story beat only exists to justify the existence of the following story beat

Not concluding Episode IX on Coruscant was a questionable choice considering that the Tatooine ending as produced only matters to audiences, not the characters, as Coruscant should have. And not letting Finn develop towards the trooper rebellion - a great and organic idea - is beyond reason.

@timbirdie8180

3 ай бұрын

😭😭 i wanted that so much

@nykcarnsew2238

2 ай бұрын

JJ had a problem separating the characters from the audience since TFA, you could practically hear Rey saying “you’re Han Solo, from Star Wars (1977)!”

@rosvel92

Ай бұрын

​@nykcarnsew2238 he had also problems creating original characters, original planets, and original situations. And also following up on events of the previous movies, just retconing everything into whatever without setup. BB-8 is most likely a creation from the VFX team.

The Rage Against the Machine moment was such a great comedic break from this in-depth study. Love it!

I still don’t understand how Rey knew how to sail a boat, in rough waters nonetheless, as we all know: she’s been on a sand bucket planet all her life. Was sailing included in her Jedi training or somethin’? Lmao

@MrSlowestD16

Жыл бұрын

She's just a genius who knows how to do everything. That's the problem with her as a character. She has no faults, she's great at everything from the very start.

@marvinmuller1085

Жыл бұрын

i mean she knew how to fly the millennium falcon without any proper training in the force awakens

@violetlavi2207

Жыл бұрын

@@marvinmuller1085 but that can be explained through her salvaging giving her some knowledge of how spaceship parts work. And maybe she’s flown smaller ships around the planet before. But…a sea vessel? No way there would even be parts for that on a desert

@MrSlowestD16

Жыл бұрын

​@@violetlavi2207 You can explain away some stuff, but other stuff like her being able to defeat the antagonist of the 1st film in a light saber duel despite having never even seen one before, you can't. The Jr. protagonist in the 1st prequel an 1st OT didn't even battle. I think some of these issues arose out of the politics they were selling with the movie. The movie had a really strong focus on 'the culture war' and leftist messages, and I think that lead to some questionable decisions - like the above mentioned protagonist beating the antagonist in the first battle, with no training. The problem is if they have the antagonist initially win, like they should in any typical story arch, they risk backlash from the people in it for the politics.

@moisesaguirre515

Жыл бұрын

Her whole 15 minutes of Jedi training covered sailing too?

The scene of Kylo walking with his crew listening to Rage Against The Machine is the best thing ive seen in a long time XD. I only wish that it was in the theatrical cut

@shithoagie

11 ай бұрын

I was like "okay, we got it, cut away..." and then the headphones gag hit and all was well

@occam7382

4 күн бұрын

@@shithoagie, and the stormtroopers just looking at him as he passes by and going "Did you just hear what I just heard?" was the icing on top. 🤌Perfecto.

Once it was pointed out that every Star Trek movie HAS to destroy the Enterprise I couldn’t help but notice how eager Abrams was to smash the Falcon.

@SaxSpy

3 ай бұрын

i forgot if the falcon got smashed or not

The biggest problem with episode 9 is the person who directed 7 didn't leave enough to complete. They were too interested in putting everything in a mystery box.

@DominicSnyder

6 ай бұрын

​@@endjentneeringclub Nah, Luke's character development in 8 is perfect and is completely in line with who he was as a character.

@StofenThe1st

5 ай бұрын

I do hate how right this is. There wasn’t anything else Luke could be after how episode 7 established the universe.

@apreviousseagle836

5 ай бұрын

@@DominicSnyder "Nah, Luke's character development in 8 is perfect and is completely in line with who he was as a character." Doing a fake-out hologram death, only to die anyway afterward?

@richardjulien3345

5 ай бұрын

​@@StofenThe1st you must be smoking crack

@thegrimharvest

5 ай бұрын

Star Wars ep7 The Memberberries Mystery Box. What's in the box? What about (×), (y), (z) ? What's (character)'s story? I'm sure the answers are going to be amazing. Star Wars ep.8 F You, F Your Fan Theories, and F The Memberberries, I'm out! Gimme my own trilogy now, Mickey! What's in the box? Nothing. What about (story), (character), (plot) ? It doesn't matter. They're dead now. Lulz. You mad bro? Star Wars ep.9 Wait! Wait! Wait! Actually...uh...hang on, hold up! 'Member memberberries? Look, horses...in spaaaace! Palpatine is back! Jingle jingle look at the keys! Ep 7 was like discovering cancer, ep 8 was you losing to it, ep 9 was a death rattle as the nurses pulled the plug.

Palpatine should have been an evil force ghost. Would have been a lot more intimidating and even horrifying if done right.

@andrewpandrew7786

10 ай бұрын

Hell him possessing Ben Solo would’ve been a lot better then being a clone.

@biinerfiiner

10 ай бұрын

any return of Plapatine ruins Vaders sacrifice imo

@jvgreendarmok

9 ай бұрын

Somehow the Ghost Zombie Demon Pirate LeSheev returned

@chrismarple

9 ай бұрын

Sidious returning at all undermines the skywalker saga as a whole and is just bad writing.

@InsomniacDoggo

9 ай бұрын

Problem with that is I think its either canon or heavily implied that the sith cannot become force ghosts. They lack the spiritual balance necessary

"Because... Ray needs someone to scream her name." - is such a beautiful way of describing the function of the entire side cast in TROS, thank you! :D

@orbaitv5991

9 ай бұрын

You mean Finn cause the other cast actually did something.

Something tells me that JJ's wishlist images are based on thinking sessions involving action figures. Chris Terrio after barging in on JJ: "No, sir! I didn't see you playing with your dolls again!"

I love this style of video, not just mocking the effort of someone, but actually examining what went "wrong"

@MistyMountainPath

4 ай бұрын

Considering how little went right there should've been more mockery. He actually gives some credit where only criticism would be appropriate. Their 'good' ideas still sucked & were conceived of completely the wrong way. Writing scenes with only tone or 'wishlist shots' in mind, for example, is a horrible way to craft a compelling story & he should've made more clear how & why it's an absolutely insulting method to utililize & how it led to this dumpster fire. Mauler's tone is perfect to characterize an abomination like this. It deserves an appropriately scathing response.

@thahoule7924

3 ай бұрын

@@MistyMountainPathproblem is, mauler is being buddies with and supporting right-wing supporters and can therefore stfu

@BlackJesus1998

3 ай бұрын

​@thahoule7924 what an embarrassing take. If you hate people because of their political leanings you need to look in the mirror and see we all want what's best with different methods involved. We're on the same team. Powerful people want you to hate your fellow man and disregard their words.

@icarusdeion

2 ай бұрын

​@@thahoule7924 lol touch grass

I don't think I've ever seen a better example of mocking something by simply describing it.

@CJ-je4hd

Жыл бұрын

Oof

@TheDisquietingNight

23 күн бұрын

Got Timestamp? Or this is for the whole video?

I think the fundamental problem with the sequel trilogy is that it can't justify it's own existence. It tries to "complete" a saga that was already finished by George Lucas in 2005. Together, the PT and OT are the story of Anakin Skywalker, with a clear narrative/theme. The sequels were "studio movies" created with the IP in mind first, and a story (if you can even call it that) later, mostly meant to sell merchandise and cashout on nostalgia.

@spacebound1969

7 ай бұрын

You're exactly right. It's clear that the story of the first 6 movies was about Anakin primarily, and once he dies in ROTJ that is done. They should have made this new trilogy totally differently but wanted to cash in on cheap nostalgia to guarantee audiences would show up saying "member stah wahs!"

@ValJedi

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely so. I dont undrstand why everyone hates sequels... let them play with the IP, let them create more jobs for the VFX companies, bring in more taxes, etc. none of this undoes the originals and the impact they had on the culture.

@genetenz

6 ай бұрын

The prequels set out to do the exact same thing. Lucus wanted the money.

@parkeranimations3671

6 ай бұрын

@@genetenzwrong.

@parkeranimations3671

6 ай бұрын

@@ValJediit does undo their legacy cause it’s canon. The skywalker bloodline is extinct.

1:15:37 "buries Luke and Leia's lightsaber for all eternity at the one place Luke couldn't wait to get away from in the one material that the guy who built it couldn't stand." damn

This post-mortem is a work of art that exemplifies deep thought and learning from the past. Truly the highest levels of work and professionalism. It demonstrates something we wish the Disney Execs had, the thoughtfulness on how hard it is to make good stories. Even stories about stories take time and if you rush it (Hi: The Hobbit) it is a very dangerous game.

Its fascinating, its like every version they had good and bad ideas, and they ended up taking the bad ideas and leaving the good on the chopping block

@jofujino

Жыл бұрын

And forgetting entirely the themes that those ideas were created to support. So they got a series of superficial set pieces that looked good in isolation but told a garbage story when strung together. And why did the trilogy have to be bound together by Palpatine anyway. It could just as easily have connected to the prequels through the prophecy of the chosen one.

@cameronwilsey9334

Жыл бұрын

@@jofujino When I left the theater my impression was that it had a lot of cool scenes, but nothing to connect them. Just a lot of 'and this is happening now'

@Shmandalf

11 ай бұрын

@@cameronwilsey9334 Yeah it was sensory bombardment. I couldn't even tell if I liked it or not after seeing it the first time because I was so mentally drained. All I could remember about it was the ending, too.

That's like actually amazing, EVERY other version of the plot is better than the one they went with...

@orbaitv5991

9 ай бұрын

Not even close

@eminatorstudios

5 ай бұрын

I swear every iteraton sounded like an infinitely more interesting story to tell than what we got in the end.

@hotshtsr20

5 ай бұрын

I had forgotten most of the movie, so hearing him retell the plot as originally intended made me wonder why I didn’t enjoy it and I almost went back to rewatch it… Then, yeah. That was the original story, not what we got. I feel cheated.

@Kevin_Street

5 ай бұрын

Every time they took the story apart, they put it back together a little worse than it was before. And at the same time they continued to hold on to story elements that no longer served their original purpose.

The line about burying the lightsabers in Tatooine really got me. 😅

I dislike Trevorrow's draft as well, it feels like the sort of thing that would require multiple movies to build up, but at least he made an effort.

18:35 Wow I can’t believe someone on the main production team managed to completely misunderstand what the prophecy said. Not once did it denote that a Skywalker would balance the force, only The Chosen One, it’s actually incredible that they botched that up and that’s what drove the writing to Rey taking the Skywalker name, unbelievable.

@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820

Жыл бұрын

If it had said Skywalker specifically, the Jedi council would look even more stupid for refusing to train Anakin at first. Not only does the boy have the most powerful force potential of any being in the galaxy, but he also has the exact name of the chosen one! How can you look at this kid and say “nah, it’s okay, we don’t need him”.

@lisaleyendekker8305

Жыл бұрын

Rey, identity theft is a really serious problem. Especially stealing from dead people who can come back as force ghosts and see the theft happening in real-time.

@pumkin610

Жыл бұрын

They might as well have been right though, the skywalkers were the chosen ones, or at least the ones best suited to save the galaxy. Extremely strong, anakin was created by the force. Not sure if he was created to bring balance or if he is literally just the force balancing itself like an equal/opposite reaction to the dark side meddling but yeah. Rey wanting to take up the mantle of skywalker makes sense, and I might have liked it if Palpatine's defeat made sense and the movies were good and had more setup for this.

@TheoTungsten

Жыл бұрын

Also, it said that the Chosen One would be born from the Force, similar to Jesus. Anakin was and Rey was not.

@HTMangaka

Жыл бұрын

The Skywalker line ended, yet the Palpatine line endured. Great ending, eh? No. No it isn't. =P

Oof. I'm an amateur writer, and I know from unfortunate experience that "this image/scene is too cool, I don't want to cut it!" NEVER ends well. Hearing that sentiment pop up so often in this video explains a lot.

@JDoe-gf5oz

11 ай бұрын

Rick McCallum's anecdote about George ruthlessly cutting out anything not necessary to the story always comes to mind whenever I think about editing.

@DemonicRemption

11 ай бұрын

@christopherverhoef9112 I've been published since 2014 and I still have that problem. While proofreading I'll find myself not wanting to cut content that I think is cool. So I try to find a way to make it relevant to varied degrees of success.

@shithoagie

11 ай бұрын

It could absolutely end well if done the exact way they didn't do... have a clear direction for the entire trilogy from start to finish. You know... a PLAN? Instead, they split the movies up with different writers and directors. Imagine Dune was only the first three books... now imagine if the second book was written by Stephen King. Disney, in its hubris, made all the wrong moves. They're like a spoiled brat that pays tons of money for an endangered animal, abuses it til it dies, then goes back to abusing the wait staff. If JJ couldn't stay for a full Trilogy, he should have at least worked closely with Rian Johnson, but would that really have worked? And sadly, that original script for episode 9 sounded good. It just needed the same guy writing for episode 8, at least. Even with JJ leaving after episode 7, 8 could have done a lot in tandem with 9 to make that script functional AND satisfying with the exception of the First Order being so powerful so soon after the fall of the Empire. Really, if Disney didn't scrap the EU, people probably would have been fine; again with the hubris, erasing over two decades of beloved material that only the craziest of fans even read was a silly route to take, and it was all so they didn't have to pay more money... despite dumping four billion dollars on Lucas's lap.

@haydentravis3348

11 ай бұрын

That level of maturity is expected. Disney needed to shove out movies to make out for their multibillion dollar purchase, so they assembled a quick and dumb team who wouldn't be scared of the Star Wars brand (Rian Johnson, for example.)

@fenderslasher5538

10 ай бұрын

The entire final encounter was reorganized around an effing horseback charge. Smh.

Anything with Coruscant would've been excellent. Exegol was so piss poor, but that's JJ for you

@rosvel92

Ай бұрын

Part of the Abrams problem was introducing half-baked new characters and planets, so someone should had banned him from creating new ones because he can't develop the ones he already had properly.

The duel of the fates plot sounds better. BUT… I think the biggest issue with the sequel trilogy, and few people mention this, is that it is a different director with a very different artistic style. Lucas was a different artist. It’s like a writer’s voice-if someone else writes a book in that series, it’s going to feel off.

@elguapo3373

6 ай бұрын

The original trilogy all had different directors. Lucas only directed the first and the prequel trilogy.

@daviddechamplain5718

6 ай бұрын

​@@elguapo3373He was still the driving force behind all three of the OT films.

@elguapo3373

6 ай бұрын

@@daviddechamplain5718 I don't disagree, but that's not the point the post I responded to was making.

@iharpo9292

5 ай бұрын

​@@daviddechamplain5718honestly rogue one, clone wars, and mandalorion show u can make something feel like star wars without the hands of lucas. The issue with the sequels is alot of corporate overreach, rushed production, etc

@Kagomai15

5 ай бұрын

​@@iharpo9292 I loved s1 of The Mandalorian, haven't watched passed that. Andor, however? The best series, 10/10.

I would admit that the idea that Skywalker would evolve into a messianic-like title, bestowed on a hero destined to correct an imbalance maligning each generation could have been very compelling. Too bad that the Rise of Skywalker completely falls flat to communicate this idea.

@berengustav7714

5 ай бұрын

Literally the Avatar(the bender of four elements.)

@tcrzsppr3163

4 ай бұрын

I truly hope they bring more of Ahsoka's Anakin into the future of SW, at least they made a good decision with him for once.

@KD-ou2np

4 ай бұрын

😂😂 and then george lucas's plagiarism of Dune would have finally been complete

I still dont understand why they didn't make Rey's self made weapon not be a spear-esque weapon. Could even make the blade part detacheable to be used as a standard lightsaber if pinched for space. You know, tying to her earlier combat expertise, making it really her weapon forged for her own path ahead, rather than "more of the same, but yellow!"

@shawndashno6022

7 ай бұрын

Right? Or at least make it a double bladed saber, that's the closest to her "staff" she can really get. Although a light saber pike has been seen in legends and other material so it's not a crazy idea. That's the point though, these movies actively work against new ideas, and just insist on rehashing everything we've seen cause it's "cool." 😂😂

@louisvictor3473

7 ай бұрын

@@dexterbunco4212 I retroactively HATE the force awakens. When it came out, I actually liked it quite a bunch. As the first movie of a trilogy, and it was meant to be the first movie of a trilogy (unlike, say A New Hope), it set up some interesting possibilities imo. Everything could be more polished, that is empty pseudo-criticism, so what stood out to me was what seemed to be the seeds of lots of interesting potentials... later movies confirmed were all just that, an impression, they weren't there because the last director is the same one and he delivered none of it either. Just another unsatisfying, empty "mystery box" - all hype, all external decoration, nothing comes out of it because there was never any content in it. What a disappointment.

I played bass in Big Sheev's Nasty Nut when I was in college.

I kinda don't understand why they had a tight deadline other than executives pounding the table and say "we want money now"

@derkeheath5172

7 ай бұрын

I was certain the sequels were doomed when they announced there would only be 2 years, instead of the traditional 3 years, between movies. The original trilogy proved long ago that 3 years was barely enough time to get a finished film, and Return of the Jedi suffered because of lack of prep time and crew exhaustion. 2 years was an idiotic decision, especially since they had done ZERO planning of the story arc before beginning.

@idiot_city5244

Ай бұрын

It's wild, they made and released 5 movies in less than 10 years haha.

this is one of the most honest and fair looks at the behind the scenes of this film I have seen, but im only 20 minutes in.

@thereturnofdarthcaedus

2 жыл бұрын

i seriously hate the entire sequel trilogy due to kk firing the best team of people only to replace him with j j and j j was a bland choice to replace colin and derek the movie gives george lucas the big f you and a big f you to real hardcore star wars fans iv been a hardcore star wars fan since 1997 these films are terrible riddled with pllotholes and things never ever getting fully explained people say the last jedi is the best film since empire which i serioiusly strongly disagree slipknot 2014 album did way better than last jedi and force awakens including way better than the rise of skywalker the reason why am saying this that slipknot made a album without joey or paul and made something as hard and as heavy as iowa and self titled heck even we are not your kind did way better than the star wars sequel trilogy sorry i broght up music but im going to say something thats gong to piss manbabys star wars sequel fans off batman forever was a way better film incuding stand by me and of course pee wees big adventure and batman 1989 and the dark knight the dark knight rises and batman begins and batman returns than the entire sequel trilogy

@lingricen8077

2 жыл бұрын

Eh? How can you be ‘fair and honest’ about…behind the scenes? How can you NOT be? Your comment doesnt make any sense.

@turtleanton6539

2 жыл бұрын

Yuup

@thereturnofdarthcaedus

2 жыл бұрын

@@turtleanton6539 if you give it time and thought the entire sequel trilogy is pure trashfire all 3 films are riddled with plotholes that never ever get explained

@saml302

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereturnofdarthcaedus not reading all that but I'm happy for you. or sorry that happened.

"What's your name, girl?" "Rey" "Rey what? Who are your people?" "...I don't have people, i'm alone" Inhales "Rey...Solo"

@chuckj.4659

Жыл бұрын

“I’m Rey Solo Skywalker Kenobi Amidala Organa Jinn Fett Binks”

@Jeezes718

Жыл бұрын

@@chuckj.4659 Tano Palpatine windu dooku ventress!

@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820

Жыл бұрын

@@Jeezes718 Yoda Aveross Unduli Secura Adi-Mundi Quadrineros Dameron (yeah, she’s related to Poe and the random podracer from episode 1, makes about as much sense as everything else in the sequels!)

@lisaleyendekker8305

Жыл бұрын

... the Hutt Vos Kestis the Wise Andor Imwie Kanata Panaka Bilaba Peil Kryze Calrissian Jarrus Dume Syndulla Wren Bridger Orelios LeQuain Erso Guerrera Bonterri Onaka Nu

@occam7382

4 күн бұрын

Could you imagine how much better this story could've been from the beginning if they just established that Rey (or Kira; her name should've been Kira) was the daughter of Han and Leia?

That enormous tree root hideout at minute 22:10 is where i want to live. Reject houses return to tree roots.

Man, this video was bloody terrific. Roughly 300 times more fun to watch than TROS itself. Easy sub. Have a great christmas, mate.

This makes me sad because literally any of the early scripts would have been leaps and bounds better than what we ended up getting

@battlefrontarchives

6 ай бұрын

I’ve never seen a movie devolve throughout its development usually it’s the opposite

@Gum_Cuzzler

6 ай бұрын

JJ Abrams is such a hack lol

It's actually so funny hearing just how many random elements from Duel of the Fates were included in The Rise of Skywalker. I am now firmly confident that this movie was made with sticky notes. Whenever someone was pitching a plot for this movie, whether it be Collin Trevorrow, George Lucas, or who ever else, a few key words were written on sticky notes and plastered all over the writers' room, only for their origin and context to be forgotten about. It's the same thing that happened with the dagger, which was originally meant to be the Dagger of Mortis, as per George's pitch. Someone wrote "dagger" on a sticky note. Someone wrote "childlike alien" on a sticky note. Someone wrote "Kylo giving Rey his life force" on a sticky note.

@jaycarlisle5770

5 ай бұрын

So disney has been using a method for several years at least in which key elements are filmed with several different somewhat open-ended variations in essence using a "choose Your own adventure" type format allowing for flexibility in editing trying to cover their asses having become too afraid to take the financial risk of gambling on filmmakers and storytellers with the key element for epic works of entertainment in any medium Artists who put the work in front of profits are problematic for the dead sheep in business types and their answer is test audience reaction tailoring to find the right combination via wash rinse repeat forgetting that what made the choose Your own adventure books worth reading for the audience was the choices not the generally mediocre story's but disney kept the choices to themselves and give audiences their attempts to please everyone chasing the box office not timelessness

@smergthedargon8974

5 ай бұрын

@@jaycarlisle5770 Holy shit man Some punctuation PLEASE

@collinthebenevolentbandit

3 ай бұрын

Sticky Note Wars LOL

@Tzilandi

3 ай бұрын

@@jaycarlisle5770 Thank you for reminding me, they did this with Wish too; their 100th anniversary movie, and it seems to have just been cut together like a jigsaw because doing it this way "gives them more creative freedom". Well, it bombed, so so much for that. Disney has lost its sense of restraint, since now EVERYTHING can be "fixed in post". They don't even have a story finished when they start shooting/animating - and I don't mean that stories don't get changed during the movie-making process, but that they start without having an end goal; like a marathon where nobody is told where the finish line is.

Lightspeed jumping made me want to die. The whole sequence just kept dancing on hyperspace’s grave. And I’d understand if they mentioned something about new droids being able to calculate hyperspace lanes much faster. But by god. They don’t

@Mystic-Midnight

Ай бұрын

even then they jump from some weird impossible crystal spires to the middle of a floating city and theres not going to be a direct path to accelerate/decellerate

I can't believe there was almost a version of this movie that felt like a movie.

JJ Abrams, Chris Terrio and Pablo Hidalgo are living proof that one can know a whole lot about a certain subject while simultaneously either not understand it or be completely clueless as to why people love it

Personally, I always thought that Palpatine's story about creating life (and the preserving as well for that matter) was a massive lie, specifically done to manipulate Anakin to the Dark Side, and I like that George Lucas left it ambiguous and an exercise to the audience.

@iwritechecksatthegrocerystore

11 ай бұрын

Same. I never liked that. To be honest even as a kid I was never super into Leah being Luke’s sister, seemed awfully convenient to me. So having palpatine be the grandad really would’ve been pushing it for me.

@pohjanakka4992

8 ай бұрын

@@iwritechecksatthegrocerystore As far as I know, from some old articles I remember reading about crafting the first trilogy, originally Leia was not Luke's sister - that's why that kiss exists - but Luke was supposed to have a sister, and she was going to be somebody Luke would be searching for in some later movie. But Lucas' divorce and some other things made him decide to make a trilogy, at least then, not anything longer like he had sort of planned originally (there seems to have been kind of plan A, plan B, and possibly even plan C, depending on how well the first movie did - one of them being "Splinter of the Minds Eye", published as a novel, but that would have been made into a movie if Lucas had been able to make just one sequel to the first movie - but then Lucas decided he'd make a whole new plan after that divorce) and while Lucas wanted to keep the sister they then decided to combine the characters of Leia and the unknown sister instead of introducing a new character, and so Leia became Luke's secret sister. Also, I remember reading that there may have been some hints in some interviews back in the 80s that originally the plan may have been to kill Han, after a bit of a love triangle problem, and Leia then ending up with Luke, in the conventional "hero gets the girl" style. Well, before she was made into his sister that is. Possibly that was ditched because Han turned out to be way too popular as a character. And while during the first and the second movie there were teams, team Han and team Luke, when it came to who she should end up with, I gather that team Han was rather bigger or at least noisier, and that affected at least somewhat the decision to go with Han/Leia. Of course, after that making Leia and Luke into siblings nicely solved the problem of the main hero losing in love because that would have been a bit of a bummer no matter how popular the Han/Leia pairing was, and maybe give the Luke/Han bromance some unwanted complications. But yep, I agree that connecting Palpatine to the birth of Anakin was a bit too much. It would have been much better if he had simply been clearly told to be a half-orphan when we first see him, with his mom maybe having had a short marriage or affair with a man she really didn't know much of anything about because he had died in some accident or something almost immediately after they had gotten together and he had gotten her pregnant. Some nobody. And then Palpatine just realizes the kid's huge potential when he first sees him.

@functionatthejunction

7 ай бұрын

@@pohjanakka4992 You are correct about the situation involving "Splinter in the Mind's Eye".

@Zooropa_Station

6 ай бұрын

The same thing with the "strike me down" line in the throne room - it was to manipulate Luke to the Dark Side. There doesn't need to be some stupid rationale about "oh I have another body to inhabit after this one" which this video's creator likes for some reason. It was literally just that Palpatine wanted Luke to lose control of his emotions, and he knew a rookie Jedi with minimal training wasn't actually a threat to his life.

@occam7382

4 күн бұрын

@@pohjanakka4992 ...some of that's correct. Originally, Luke and Leia were not meant to be siblings (although they were in the earlier drafts of A New Hope, but that was when Luke was still a 60-something war veteran). George planned to have Luke's sister be someone else who had been hidden away by their father (who was not Vader initially) and trained as a Jedi. However, during the production of The Empire Strikes Back, George decided to make Vader and Anakin one in the same, and after deciding he didn't want to make a whole new trilogy (after just how difficult the productions of Episodes lV and V were) he decided to rework the whole lost sister subplot by making Leia Luke's sister (which makes sense, since she was basically the only named girl in Star Wars at the time). This is probably untrue, but I think George was leaning in this direction as early as when The Empire Strikes Back was in production, considering how at the end, Luke and Leia communicate through the Force in a manner suspiciously similar to Luke and Vader's conversation. It may be that George just decided not to tell anyone about this until Return Of The Jedi was being made (because of course he would). As for Han, as far as I know, Lawrence Kasdan and Harrison Ford both petitioned for Han to die in Episode Vll (Harrison because he was sick of playing Han at this point, and Lawrence for... whatever reason), but George shot them both down as he didn't see any reason why such a thing needed to happen in the story. Palpatine is not connected to Anakin's birth. Anakin was created by the midi-chlorians in order to fulfill the prophecy of destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the Force (this would've been properly explained in George's Sequels, but of course, we didn't get that story).

Thank you for overview of Trevarow's script. Other videos didn't lay it out nearly as well. And I love the sarcasm as it is well-deserved.

My key takeaway from this video is this - it's very easy for a series of changes (many of which are understandable, driven by necessity, or even positive!) to have a cumulative negative effect. It's easy - and very fun - to dunk on this particular example, but the lesson is applicable to lots of our own creative endeavors.

@JakeAdkinsOfficial

4 ай бұрын

Facts. This video does an excellent job showing the domino effect of "well this needs to happen, so this happens" completely mauling a story that probably should have been figured out before principal photography on episode 7 even started...

The worst part of Rey taking the name Skywalker at the end is that it was set up so well in the Burning Man part for her to instead say Rey…just Rey but this time being proud of it instead of sad like before

@cameronwilsey9334

Жыл бұрын

I loved when she was the daughter of nobodies

@JDoe-gf5oz

11 ай бұрын

They could have had her learn and take her mother's name if she didn't want to embrace her Palpatine side. The Skywalker thing was hated by everyone. Maybe they'll retcon it in the new movie.

Fuck, every time I hear that Duel of the Fates script summary I get upset. It actually could have saved the trilogy.

@gamestation2690

2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t have made sense for Kylo to have been the one to have killed Rey’s parents, because he was still being trained under Luke and wasn’t “Kylo Ren” yet.

@matro2

2 жыл бұрын

With a name change and some corrections it could have saved the trilogy, yes. Instead we got this sterile rendition.

@constancemiller3753

2 жыл бұрын

@@matro2 it seems like a Lord of the Rings RIP off in space.

@user-ly2ll5od1r

2 жыл бұрын

duel of the fates would have been much worse.

@aidangreen7006

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ly2ll5od1r I genuinely believe that resurrecting Palpatine is the absolute lowest and most desperate of any creative decision that could’ve been made. So I’m at a place where I don’t think anything that avoided bringing Palpatine back could be worse. This is as bad as it gets as long as that story point is here.

People always underestimate the power of the Dark Side; the power to survive falls into bottomless pits.

53:05 "It's easier to imagine him having a history with a human being than with a rubber creature." **Offended Chuwbacca roar**

A note about The Room: The crew tried to make The Room a decent film, but Tommy fired anyone who questioned him and he never ever took advice from anyone. He was a dictator on set, and he squandered away a great crew and millions of dollars.

They raised the question of what Rey's friends would think if they discovered she had a dark lineage. They raised the question of how she would act knowing where she came from after finding herself in the last film. They then did not bother to answer the question. They retconned one of the best story beats of the last film for hardly any pay off. It also kills me that there's been so many opportunities for a better story in Rise that they consistently ignore.

@magicalglitch8801

2 жыл бұрын

They didn't even bother to ask the question. I'm STILL waiting to learn what Finn wanted to ask/tell(?) Rey...

@freiinmajor2511

Жыл бұрын

JJ's mystery box at the finest

@Early2000sCringe

Жыл бұрын

They didn't even bother to take 30 seconds to explain how Maz Kanata got the lightsaber

@rosvel92

Ай бұрын

​@@Early2000sCringeThe only question they needed to answer was the one that The Last Jedi setup, what if Rey was an original character, original person, living her own situations that aren't a verbatim remake of Luke Skywalker's adventures but she is a woman as the only difference. And apply the same to every character

That payoff at the end of using a discarded movie as a valuable tool for learning was the cherry on top of that theme that you kept reminding us about. I can’t believe I just watched/listened to an hour long documentary. Well done

I just wanted to say that this is the most well researched and informative video about the making of this movie that I have seen. From inception to release. It was amazing.

The problem with TROS start with TFA. A soft reboot and slavishly repeating the OT would never be anything be unsatisfying. Especially when they didn’t include the one thing that made the OT so great: The characters and their relationships.

@MrMinecraftGamer456

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like Disney has been rebooting alot of shows, like the OG disney animations turned live action. Then, when they want to deviate like for Mulan as well, it upsets everyone. Disney is a mess.

@CheeseOfMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMinecraftGamer456 Well deviation is fine as long as you don't stray too far. Clone Wars showed this rather well.

@Edax_Royeaux

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is that JJ is extremely shallow. He saw A New Hope and Empire as the only true Star Wars and that George Lucas was a bad director, so there were absolutely no references to the prequels at all in TFA and he probably felt that making A New Hope again would somehow get the franchise back on track. He also felt that prequels = bad because politic scenes = bad, resulting in the worst worldbuilding I've ever scene. The result being that the New Republic only exists in a single solar system? The rebels are the Empire, but also the rebels are also the resistance. Also the First Order reigns already, but also the Emperor reigns, but apparently the First Orders need more ships for some reason? Also the Empire gets outnumbered by...Lando? Palpatine can't die. But also Palpatine wants to die. Also Palpatine dies. Okay then. Good to know we'll never understand the political situation in the galaxy, they just have a forever Emperor in charge now.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

2 жыл бұрын

Especially when it undoes all character arcs and achievements of original trilogy. Empire hasn't fallen, Sith aren't gone, Han and Leia are not together, they are shitty parents, Luke left everyone like a coward, no Jedi order, New Republic is destroyed in seconds, another Death Star...and now Palpatine is back.

@rubym357

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed with everything you just said. Even though storytelling from 1977-'83 is different and must evolve, Disney wrecks everything. Lucas sold his franchise for $12 billion, just like Jim Henson had every intent to sell his workshop to Disney before his death to get cash grabs. Lucas and The Hensons wanted unlimited bankrolling for projects, but in return conveyor belt screenwriters are given the job of world crafting on a tight schedule. Disney is only interested in selling merch, building ride attractions, and repeat Blu Ray releases. Another thing that sticks in my craw is the toxic fandom SW has. It ties directly into Gamergate because scifi/fantasy/anime has always been marketed to white middle class males, which is why they felt "attacked by diversity", not that Disney correctly addresses racism, feminism, and LGBTQ relationships. Then there's the 'shipper crap, IDGAF if you like Stormpilot, Reylo, or FinnRose all that works ONLY in fanart and fanfics. In the OT Leia and Han were CLEARLY going to happen, Kennedy stated Dameron was not going to be a LGBTQ character, that was not how Dameron and Finn were written. Oscar Issac is a flirtatious actor and man, and the only reason why his character was given an entire life DURING TFA's filming was because of his looks. The Disney corporation pays lipservice to the LGBTQ community, it donates money to the GOP, and Disney family members are legacy execs and they are racist and homophobic, they would never sign off on an LGBTQ character for this kind of franchise. And the cast and Abrams pushed shipper crap because they knew the films were fails and depended on social media pot stirring to make their money back.

Fascinating video. The whole trilogy just felt like it ultimately wasn't made by creative people, even if there were creative ideas here and there.

@TheStarBlack

2 жыл бұрын

It was made to generate maximum profit for Disney. I'd like to think they may have learned a lesson or two from this experience but I sadly doubt it.

@arthurballs9632

Жыл бұрын

The Leader isn't creative but she believes she is.

@A2forty

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurballs9632 you mean abbrams since he is the one creating the story right?

@arthurballs9632

Жыл бұрын

@@A2forty 1. TFA was written by Michael Arndt, but his script was rewritten by Lawrence Kasdan (Empire, RotJ) and JJ Abrams. 2. TLJ was written by Rian Johnson, at the personal invitation of Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. RJ had weeks of meetings with the Lucasfilm storygroup before he went away and wrote the script. 3. TRoS was written by Derek Connolly, Colin Trevorrow, JJ Abrams, and Chris Terrio, with the final two being invited in at the last minute as Trevorrow had walked/been shoved out. The failure of the trilogy lies mainly with the president of Lucasfilm regardless of the efforts of entry-level gaslighters to find scapegoats for her colossal mismanagement of the trilogy.

@origamikiddo2625

Жыл бұрын

it seems like it was made by too many people, trying to put in everyones ideas to please all then reversing those when they aren't received well (cough Rose cough) and listening to much to us on the internet. Yes, we will gripe and complain, but have a solid idea and stick with it despite our whinging and we will respect it, even if we wished it went differently.

Alright, 44:30 is now officially my favorite part of this movie, with the added music of course 😆

@Adeon55

6 ай бұрын

🤘🤘

What an absolutely brilliant video. Thank you. And for your amusement, the "its not a phase! Dad!" Had me laughing out loud in the store while I was paying for my shopping 😂😊

The more I learn about the Episode 9 we almost got, the more pissed I am at the Episode 9 we actually did get.

@kidwajagstang

Жыл бұрын

From what I’ve heard, there was an attempt by some executives to sue Kennedy because they actually were able to watch an edit of the film done by George Lucas that was apparently MUCH better than what was released. In fact, it also was screened to test audiences and received a higher rating as well. Now, it’s not likely the Lucas cut will ever be seen simply because if it was released, it could validate their claim that Kennedy knowingly rejected the better movie in favor of the one that had more of her personal ideas and preferences than Lucas’s cut did.

@Yoda-wf6bu

Жыл бұрын

@@kidwajagstang dude cite your source :3. There's no Lucas cut. And even if it was true, how would that ever be a good ground for a lawsuit.

@10ToesDownWithBass

Жыл бұрын

@@kidwajagstang Lucas was not involved. He said so in an interview he had nothing to do with the films. He simply gave his plans/ideas to Disney, and they bought the ideas but said they may or may not use his stories.

@lingricen8077

Жыл бұрын

@@10ToesDownWithBass What a backpedal you just made

@10ToesDownWithBass

Жыл бұрын

@@lingricen8077 it's not a backpedal. Lucas was not involved. He wanted to be, and tried to pitch ideas, but Disney rejected him. Even though Disney bought the rights to his new ideas he said they did not use any of them.

Okay putting aside the other 200 dumb things about the dagger and the death star wreckage -- what I find hilarious is that the script thinks you need a plot device to tell the protagonists to search the Emperor's chambers in order to find things related to him, as if that isn't the first place you would look. If the point is just to show where the chambers are in the wreckage, the dagger isn't special and you could get that info from different sources or just by exploring a little on your own. But the movie treats it as a reveal -- like the dagger is providing the X on a treasure map -- except that the X is on the most obvious place the treasure would be "hidden" and if you didn't have the map you would have looked there immediately, anyway.

@benjaminroe311ify

10 ай бұрын

Yep it's very dumb on basically all levels. Although I liked the idea of a assasins weapon used to kill lots of people having a connection to sith power etc. But the whole way it was implemented SUCKED.

@lvbdevinelove2329

10 ай бұрын

Good point. This movie really pisses me off.

@SexycuteStudios

10 ай бұрын

That is just signature JJ Abrams. Old movie construction memes without any forethought. It's like Rick Berman writing Star Trek stories involving time travel because "we need time travel".

@orbaitv5991

7 ай бұрын

There is almost nothing dumb about the dagger or the wreckage if you actually follow the plot.

@joecrutwell2577

7 ай бұрын

Yes if only we had a character who had been established as an expert at exploring wrecked ships.

What I loved about the original trilogy was you were allowed to take things for granted; you were allowed to have an imagination. These movies have 50 fully developed co-leads with their own 15-minute subplot.

The benefits of a singular vision permeate this documentary. When I look at the group meetings at 2:41 I see a committee, which is antithetical to good storytelling. Everyone has their little pet ideas (the horses, the not-so-subtle messaging). When this “committee debris” is allowed into the script, it only serves to compromise the tightness of the story. There is a lot of committee debris in RoS that doesn’t serve the overall story, so audiences finish it feeling unsatisfied.

I disagree about it not being important to know how Palpatine was brought back. Without that info there is no way to be sure he couldn’t come back again.

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

that's what they want

@pumkin610

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, it's lazy writing as well and it can be bad writing sometimes to bring characters back from the dead.

@oliverford5367

Жыл бұрын

Episode XII. Palpatine Returns Somehow!

Really though the biggest problem of this trilogy was that nothing meant anything. They had numerous options for a meaningful story and took none of them because Abrams thinks macguffins are a replacement for storytelling.

@MSpotatoes

6 ай бұрын

It's funny how this trilogy gets even worse with time, even though it was awful to begin with.

Ive now watched all but one of your videos. And im glad i subbed on my first one. Look forward to more of your videos in the future!

With every installment in the sequel trilogy, I kept having the same wish: I want to know more about the Knights of Renn. Since episode 8 came out, I thought it would be very interesting (and refreshing) if they had made the knights as the prominent bad guys; and when 9 came along I was convinced that the integration of the knights into the main arc would turn this franchise into another classic. With the (supposedly) notorious Knights of Renn as the main antagonists spread through the series, the sequel trilogy would have been more interesting. They would be a constant (and incresingly harder) irritation for our rebels to overcome, and a dilemmatic anchor that keeps tugging at Kylo's journey back to the light side of the force. Rey would have to 'level up' fast and hard if she wants to have any hope of fulfilling her destiny (what IS her destiny, anyway?) Point is, we have a bunch of under-utilized side characters that bear the same name as one of our main characters. The plot practically writes itself. Such a shame.

It's very strange to me they felt this need to impart a hero can come from anywhere. And its referenced that heroes don't just come from high status families like the Skywalkers. Did they all forget Anakin was a child slave who rose to prominence?

@dispositionguise7467

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention that it was one of the primary functions of the Jedi that they took force sensitive children from every conceivable background to teach and train. Force sensitivity and age were pretty much the only selection criteria.

@benjaminroe311ify

10 ай бұрын

I don't mind the theme. I also don't mind the theme they had to try to show that things that get "thrown away" can become super valuable when looked at from another perspective etc. BUT! If you are a story teller you CANNOT sacrice story and character for THEMES. I makes it so that people don't like your story and won't get the THEMES either. The production crew of Rise of Skywalker got hyperfocused on themes and scenes and not Story and Character and it really suffered because of that. So sad.

@ghostbuster7575

10 ай бұрын

Rey was the same though yet people love anakin but hate rey ?????

@comandantegorrion7271

10 ай бұрын

@@ghostbuster7575 Yeah, but they didn’t undermine Anakin by retroactively making him part of some really important pre-established family. The whole point is that he could have been anyone, he just happened to be a Skywalker. By going back and making Rey a Palpatine, after they already had a perfectly workable “Rey is the child of nobodies” thing going, they undermined that theme. If you’re trying to make a story with the message of “dynasties don’t matter“ making your main character retroactively the child of one of the most important characters in the previous stories sends some pretty major mixed signals.

@michaelbeemer8019

10 ай бұрын

"When everyone's super, NO ONE WILL BE." - Syndrome

Something really hit me when talking about the timetables for how this was made. George started writing Episode 1 in 1994 and it wasn't released till 1999 now I'm not saying he probably didn't have some sort of release deadline, but when you look how little time this film had to be made it's absolutely clear the studio doesn't give a shit if it's bad they literally do not care it just has to be out so they can sell billions on the name recognition

@TheFightingNemo

10 ай бұрын

He didn't have a release deadline... he OWNED Lucasfilms back then.

@tjdaniels9128

10 ай бұрын

@@TheFightingNemohe had a deadline. The distributor sets the release date and Episode I was distributed by 20th Century Fox.

@detah1

9 ай бұрын

Um. No. George wrote all 9 movies long before 1994. I read all 9 scripts in 1990. And they were written quite some time before then. Perhaps he rewrote Ep 1 in 1994. But he had a full 9 stories (movies-worth of story) done before 1990.

@samkornrumph8545

8 ай бұрын

That was a problem from the beginning of the trilogy sadly. Disney’s unreasonable deadlines and JJ’s ego destroyed any chance of seeing a story that at least honored Lucas’ legacy.

@Jiub_SN

7 ай бұрын

@@detah1George stopped working on the franchise shortly after episode 6 due to divorce and raising his children, what you may have read if you aren't lying is some early outlines. He gave up on a sequel trilogy the moment he stepped back and didn't even plan to make one again until he knew he was selling his company as he knew the buyer would want to make a sequel trilogy. Those sequels were dropped by Disney and JJ

I think this is an interesting case of planning a movie with moves from the start, focusing on your opening, vs focusing on your ending. The initial script wanted to weave a story of all the characters coming together to achieve a goal together. The final cut wanted to focus instead of a big splashy dramatic climax. honestly the final moment where big sheev tempts rey almost sells me on the idea. But if we're truly sold then I guess our only takeaway is "don't shoot big expensive scenes early in production/approve things in preproduction if you're gonna try to shuffle chairs around to make a different story at the end"

1:11:24 - It's never referred to as a "Force Diad" but something similar existed between Kreia and The Exile in KOTOR II. 1:15:59 - I just figured it was another nod to the video games. Yellow lightsabers have been a thing in the games for near 30 years. Given how popular Jedi Knight and KOTOR specifically were, I'd imagine there were at least a few people involved who loved those series growing up.

@finetoothcombine7014

7 ай бұрын

The original Luke Skywalker action figure had a yellow lightsaber

@timbirdie8180

3 ай бұрын

Those games were fun!

To think they made a sith holocron into a ''wayfinder'' nobodys heard off, yet looks exactly the same lmfao

@Afinati

Жыл бұрын

This.

@sebastiangibson9671

Жыл бұрын

Cept it’s a bluish green instead of red

Holy shit. I have a hard time dealing with just HOW DUMB some of these ideas were. They created a “sabotage brick” that could disable the entire FO fleet?!? How the F can J.J Abrams write this and say: “Oh yeah! Here we go! This makes sense and will make for a great movie!”

@robwett1

2 жыл бұрын

JJ is not much of a thinker. That is the problem.

@reader111089

2 жыл бұрын

I mean which is worse a sabotage device built by generatiins of enslaved ship builders, or the space ships flying in formation over the surface of a planet dont know and cannot figure out without help which way is UP?

@corruptangel6793

2 жыл бұрын

I'm just stunned they were so obsessed with having a mcguffin

@TheStarBlack

2 жыл бұрын

It's kinda like the droid control ship in episode 1.

@rolletroll2338

Жыл бұрын

This is bad. But it’s a shame that it has been replace by a worse idea, aka the tower needed to tell the ships how to go up….

I forgot this movie exisited, and I was so happy. Thank you for the video though, it sheds important light on the situation, and i can't imagine the amount of effort that must've been poured into making this video.

you didn't mention that Ben shows up on evil planet in an original trilogy tie fighter he took from the death star wreck. a ship that is specifically mentioned in ep IV to NOT have a hyperdrive so cannot travel between star systems.