Why SpaceX won't propulsively land their Dragon capsule. Not on Earth. Not on Mars.

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Why did one of the coolest features of the Dragon Capsule get cancelled? Why are they no longer sending a Dragon Capsule to Mars? We answer this and more!
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  • @erikandersson1647
    @erikandersson16474 жыл бұрын

    3 years later - today ... SpaceX Finally launched humans to space. Congrats team SpaceX and Elon for your achievement.

  • @woodduck2178

    @woodduck2178

    3 жыл бұрын

    And in two days they will return to earth!!!

  • @woodduck2178

    @woodduck2178

    3 жыл бұрын

    And now they are back on earth

  • @Daniela-pr7rz

    @Daniela-pr7rz

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@woodduck2178 and now SN5 hopped 150m. Let's make this thread until Mars happens.

  • @snipestorm4555

    @snipestorm4555

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@woodduck2178 And they are going to send some more crew to mars next week and set up a colony

  • @archie2591

    @archie2591

    3 жыл бұрын

    And now they’ve launched SN8, taken it to 12.5km and belly flopped back down!

  • @MarkThrimm
    @MarkThrimm6 жыл бұрын

    I'm actually excited about this. In the past it always meant that SpaceX had even better idea in mind and now I'm anxious to see what they came up with instead.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Mark Thrimm agreed!!!

  • @catoomch

    @catoomch

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'm a little disappointed there was no speculation about the replacement in this video. If Red Dragon is not landing propulsively, the only alternative I can think of is a parachute + inflatable crash bags (which has been used by NASA).

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +catoomch we talk about how the ITS BFR/BFS is the replacement and we know how that’ll land. On earth dragon will continue to splashdown like it does today

  • @stefanfun

    @stefanfun

    6 жыл бұрын

    exept they want to remodel the ITS too

  • @catoomch

    @catoomch

    6 жыл бұрын

    Fair enough. But Elon was mysteriously referring to some new method to land on Mars in his interviews.

  • @philipp5433
    @philipp54336 жыл бұрын

    Your channel is starting to look really professional. Good job

  • @HSBTechYT

    @HSBTechYT

    6 жыл бұрын

    Philipp Buhr yes 😂

  • @chanrevo3841

    @chanrevo3841

    6 жыл бұрын

    He showed us a picture book of a capsule in an egg

  • @realzachfluke1

    @realzachfluke1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Oh the irony.

  • @ChrisBrengel

    @ChrisBrengel

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yaassss!

  • @11moonshot

    @11moonshot

    5 жыл бұрын

    Well - one of the best, most informative sites word wide! And you feel: Tim knows what he is talking about!!

  • @GreyEnfield_CRYSTAL
    @GreyEnfield_CRYSTAL4 жыл бұрын

    Ooohh 2 years later It's a success bro!!

  • @thestigsamericancousin4588
    @thestigsamericancousin45886 жыл бұрын

    I want to see a falcon heavy land on mars with the main center booster. That would be some Kerbal space program level crap

  • @Widestone001

    @Widestone001

    6 жыл бұрын

    Haha, now that would be a sight! xD

  • @wilmantube

    @wilmantube

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeahhhh that's not how it works

  • @nathanaelvetters2684

    @nathanaelvetters2684

    6 жыл бұрын

    In your dreams. You're saying that without even jettisoning the central booster and using the second stage, you expect the thing to get to Mars.

  • @bluemountain4181

    @bluemountain4181

    6 жыл бұрын

    They just need to carry on with the KSP style: Add more boosters and build a Falcon 9 Super-Mega-Heavy.

  • @AmbientMorality

    @AmbientMorality

    6 жыл бұрын

    Falcon Uber Super Hyper Mega Ultra Giant Monster Titan Heavy Block 6.1.1D Fullererest Thrust

  • @jackfetzer2862
    @jackfetzer28624 жыл бұрын

    Who is watching this after the demo-2 launch

  • @drewd2

    @drewd2

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yup. lol

  • @kumarthecowboy

    @kumarthecowboy

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yess binge watching everything now

  • @drabberfrog

    @drabberfrog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Me

  • @jonahdenning9330

    @jonahdenning9330

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @DarxusC

    @DarxusC

    4 жыл бұрын

    I was just thinking I bet he's getting a lot of views on his older related videos because of that.

  • @ClearAdventure
    @ClearAdventure5 жыл бұрын

    I love knowing Elon does not mean "Falcon" when he says Big Falcon Rocket. 😂

  • @drabberfrog

    @drabberfrog

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Jake Chen Starship

  • @uzogsi

    @uzogsi

    4 жыл бұрын

    And I love that it's a homage to the Doom and Quake games and their BFG - the best weapon in the game - the Big F*cking Gun

  • @carrotmaster8521

    @carrotmaster8521

    4 жыл бұрын

    @David Lazarus its a beautiful thing, the doom community went crazy for a little bit

  • @letterslayer7814

    @letterslayer7814

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Jake Chen man i was just about to say that lol

  • @jamessheppard4372

    @jamessheppard4372

    2 жыл бұрын

    Big F**cking Rocket

  • @MarcusHouse
    @MarcusHouse6 жыл бұрын

    This was most interesting Tim. Thanks mate. I suspect the two main reasons were due to safety restrictions and propellant weight. Probably pretty difficult to land at an accurate location from orbit, even by SpaceX standards. Suspect they could much more easily return to the ocean with chutes. Still hope they continue with propulsive tech for future stuff though. I suspect the super.d engines will still be there for abort or emergency anyway, probably just with much less fuel. They are not going to remove them entirely from Dragon 2 I wouldn't think are they?

  • @superwinner5010

    @superwinner5010

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hey Marcus :)

  • @davidhood9712

    @davidhood9712

    6 жыл бұрын

    Marcus!!!!

  • @nathanaelvetters2684

    @nathanaelvetters2684

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, if they ever want to carry crew they'd be required to keep them, or a replacement. Like you said, with much less fuel.

  • @ethanwilliams8211

    @ethanwilliams8211

    6 жыл бұрын

    Marcus House I

  • @AmbientMorality

    @AmbientMorality

    6 жыл бұрын

    Propellant weight wasn't a concern, Dragon 2 is still volume-constrained like Dragon 1. Still need quite a bit of fuel for an abort.

  • @AnonymousFreakYT
    @AnonymousFreakYT6 жыл бұрын

    This makes me sad. From an engineering perspective, I understand it, but from a fan of high technology, I'm disappointed. Also disappointed because a friend of mine worked on the SuperDraco rocket engines!

  • @eternalinnovation2118

    @eternalinnovation2118

    6 жыл бұрын

    The SuperDracos are still super important! They're critical in an abort, and it's cool that they're kept after every flight. In old space capsules, the escape tower is a separate component which is thrown away at every launch. Each Dragon gets to keep its superdracos for the next flight!

  • @bigdiglett3258

    @bigdiglett3258

    6 жыл бұрын

    While dragon won't land on mars, BFR will and spacex is basically gonna allocate everything to it making things like red dragon no longer an idea

  • @mobiuscoreindustries

    @mobiuscoreindustries

    3 жыл бұрын

    Its still very usefull to have them. I mean that way the capsule has acess to both low thrust high efficiency and low efficiency high thrust, which means in a pinch it can do all kinds of maneuvers. I mean, its not because the capsule isn't suposed to use its thrusters to land, it doesn't mean if something fucks up, they coudn't try that as a last ditch.

  • @25xan
    @25xan6 жыл бұрын

    Bravo! This video felt much more professional and serious than the others I have seen and I loved it!

  • @Giratina143
    @Giratina1436 жыл бұрын

    The hype is real for the falcon HEAVY!!

  • @HexaSquirrel

    @HexaSquirrel

    6 жыл бұрын

    It won't launch this year.

  • @motokid6008

    @motokid6008

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'd like to think December at the earliest. And then... When it does go off it needs to at least get far enough away from the launch pad before it explodes. Which as Musk said it has a good chance of. I'll bet right now it goes through several scrubs. No way in hell all 27 engines go green on the first try.

  • @AmbientMorality

    @AmbientMorality

    6 жыл бұрын

    Not launching this year. They aren't starting conversion until early October, then 60 days, which puts the pad ready at early December. They have to do a WDR or two (likely catch some issues with the GSE at that point), static fire, review a ton of data, then likely multiple launch attempts.

  • @motokid6008

    @motokid6008

    6 жыл бұрын

    I wonder how many attempts it'll take... I intend on going down to see FH launch, but I'm thinking I better plan a whole week down there. 27 freaking engines all needing to play nice with each other... Who's got the warmest feet at SpaceX? Lol...

  • @jondoig

    @jondoig

    6 жыл бұрын

    If it's as quick as a Tesla S it'll reach its 1200 km/h top speed (700 mph) in 30 seconds (2.5 s per 100 km/h). Wow.

  • @KreefS
    @KreefS6 жыл бұрын

    Wait... he only has 19K subscribers? This is the first video I have seen from this channel and I thought he has well over 500K. Good job on making these videos, I am definitely subscribing!

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Mike woahhh thank you!!!! That means a lot!!! I put a lot of work into these videos so I’m glad you’re getting something out of it! 😊👍 thanks for the sub hope you come around for some livestreams and say hi!

  • @spookyr

    @spookyr

    4 жыл бұрын

    2 years later and getting real close to 500k :-)

  • @peteralund

    @peteralund

    3 жыл бұрын

    735k now , it is starting to move faster

  • @delta-bird-thing-donkeysir506

    @delta-bird-thing-donkeysir506

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nearly a million

  • @stephenmiguel919

    @stephenmiguel919

    2 жыл бұрын

    1.15M!! Congrats 🎉

  • @tobywoollaston6757
    @tobywoollaston67576 жыл бұрын

    I loved that book on how the dragon was born 😂😂 Great video, keep this great content coming!

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Toby Woollaston haha thanks!!!

  • @scotts.8972

    @scotts.8972

    6 жыл бұрын

    I feel like he had that book before this video.....

  • @MirekHeikkila
    @MirekHeikkila6 жыл бұрын

    Awww that was so adorable with the lil egg around 1:00 .. Awesome Channel BTW!! :)

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Mirek Heikkila glad you liked it!!!

  • @MirekHeikkila

    @MirekHeikkila

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes i did, the scrapbook binder was classic too! :) nice!!!

  • @lunakid12

    @lunakid12

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@EverydayAstronaut: Oh yes, mate, that scene was hilarious, thank you! :)

  • @ericdouglas3039
    @ericdouglas30396 жыл бұрын

    Answer starts at 5:55

  • @maxspinks2181

    @maxspinks2181

    6 жыл бұрын

    Eric Douglas thanks bro

  • @Mksterk1998

    @Mksterk1998

    6 жыл бұрын

    Eric Douglas Thanks!

  • @dcdales

    @dcdales

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! So basically the answer is "it's not the best way to land the Dragon Capsule." Did I just miss something in this video, or was there no talk about the specific pros and cons about using propulsive landing on the Dragon Capsule? I feel kinda disappointed.

  • @BixbyConsequence

    @BixbyConsequence

    6 жыл бұрын

    God bless you.

  • @onjofilms

    @onjofilms

    6 жыл бұрын

    I wish I saw your answer first. Would have saved me from listening to that annoying background music.

  • @GameplayReviewUK
    @GameplayReviewUK6 жыл бұрын

    OMG I had those very same binoculars when I was a kid too :) The little touches make these vids so special.

  • @FlippFloppofficial
    @FlippFloppofficial6 жыл бұрын

    subscribed! With a little bell in the end kinda way! Great channel!

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Flipp Flopp wow!! Thank you so much. That genuinely means a lot! 🙏🙏🙏

  • @passthebutterrobot2600
    @passthebutterrobot26006 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, I love your videos. I agreed, being flexible & quick on their feet is one of Space-X's greatest strengths. Seeing spaceships land on thrusters is soooooo darned cool though.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Pass The Butter Robot totally agreed! Thanks for the kind words too!

  • @MrBlackjimrogan

    @MrBlackjimrogan

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeah its a shame...but if Dragon is never needed to be landed like this then the cost savings go towards the BFRS....i cant wait to see that flying and landing, that will be awesome...

  • @kyleperron2942
    @kyleperron29423 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate the quality of your production, man. Well done!

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    @michaelb49326 жыл бұрын

    I love channels like this. Instant subscription!! Keep it up 👍

  • @joshuapinter
    @joshuapinter6 жыл бұрын

    Great explanation. Really appreciate the deep dive and video. And you're absolutely correct: SpaceX doesn't do anything unless it supports their long-term plans and has no problem re-assessing and changing directions if conditions change.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Joshua Pinter thanks for checking it out!!! Glad you found the deep dive worth it

  • @dukeofworcestershire7042
    @dukeofworcestershire70424 жыл бұрын

    6:10 When you researched for the presentation but didn't bother practicing

  • @TheMyguitarisblue
    @TheMyguitarisblue6 жыл бұрын

    As other people have said, your videos are honestly crazy good and I've watched like half of them since yesterday. I genuinely thought that your sub count would be at least 10x as high when I first checked because of the quality of your productions. Keep this up and there's no way that you won't be huge as a Space related content creator.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Lazy Pharaoh wow thank you so much!!! That really means a lot!!!

  • @lilyjeanholt8210
    @lilyjeanholt82104 жыл бұрын

    U legend. Luved the little dragon fairytale story. Very originally composed and one of the best youtube vidz in ages

  • @victorgigante5374
    @victorgigante53746 жыл бұрын

    The government does seem to be rather prone to the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Victor Gigante it’s true!.... probably because of financial interests and constituents losing jobs

  • @diegoantoniorosariopalomin4977

    @diegoantoniorosariopalomin4977

    6 жыл бұрын

    Everyday Astronaut but mostly lobying

  • @lewismassie
    @lewismassie6 жыл бұрын

    Interesting point there comparing Dragon 2 and ITS to the Falcon 5 and 9. You may have just reversed my opinion on the matter (that's a good thing). Yes we won't get to watch D2 land on mars, but maybe we'll see the ITS do it instead

  • @pricelessppp

    @pricelessppp

    6 жыл бұрын

    Lewis Massie Dragon v2 on the BFR or lazy s pattern like the space shuttle?

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Lewis Massie glad you found that compelling 👍

  • @Redl1me_

    @Redl1me_

    6 жыл бұрын

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Elon Musk stated that he wanted to cut down the number of Raptor engines on the ITS and reducing it's size so we might sadly get a smaller than planed rocket ship.

  • @andrewbailey7999

    @andrewbailey7999

    6 жыл бұрын

    I think that is the case, but even if it isn't quite the original intended scale, it'll still be pretty massive, and it'll innovate technologies needed for even larger spacecraft in the further future

  • @antonnym214
    @antonnym2145 жыл бұрын

    consistently excellent reporting, sir! I have subscribed. Thank you!

  • @andrewicase
    @andrewicase6 жыл бұрын

    Really well done video. Keep up the good work!

  • @maramalnahhas8442
    @maramalnahhas84424 жыл бұрын

    1:08 X AE A-12 in a nutshell

  • @DyingCr0w
    @DyingCr0w6 жыл бұрын

    Bet it got hot inside that nbc suit :D

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +DyingCr0w it’s the worst. But it used to be much worse than it is. It had a thick rubber lining on the inside and many of my old photos from Instagram I would have to set a self timer and run out and do a pose and do it over and over in 90 degree heat. Two or three times I almost passed out. That was the worst, now it’s more bearable.

  • @edenyanko9521
    @edenyanko95214 жыл бұрын

    Keep making those great videos !

  • @Oopsie223
    @Oopsie2236 жыл бұрын

    Love this channel! So glad I found it!

  • @jimbonuetrin2593
    @jimbonuetrin25936 жыл бұрын

    Why not just mount the landing legs on the dragon radially like on the falcon 9 1st stage instead of putting them through the heat shield?

  • @gedw99

    @gedw99

    6 жыл бұрын

    Jimbo Nuetrin that's exactly what I was thinking. I am leaning now towards landing on earth with parachutes, but landing on Mars a mini stage 2 with propolsive.

  • @robertbiebrich4489

    @robertbiebrich4489

    6 жыл бұрын

    They would probably burn up outside the heat shield. I’m guessing falcon 9 can get away with it because it’s engines are capable of a much greater deceleration. Just a guess.

  • @OriginalOmgCow

    @OriginalOmgCow

    6 жыл бұрын

    Depends on the kind of atmospheric entry I guess since an earth-mars transfer would without dropping into orbit at least, carry with it huge deceleration, and any change may require the entire atmophere entry profile to be redesigned. It would also require a great deal of redesign and RND to reevaluate it's normal flight profile alone. Who knows. Also, this "everyday astronaut" doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, he's skeptic that reusable rockets will not be cost effective? He's UNDERCUTTING the current market by a factor of TEN in terms of vehicle cost, what bullshit is this guy spouting?

  • @nathanaelvetters2684

    @nathanaelvetters2684

    6 жыл бұрын

    Soyuz does a little spurt with the engines before landing right? If they can do it why can't SpaceX? I suppose it's hard to spot land with parachutes.

  • @AmbientMorality

    @AmbientMorality

    6 жыл бұрын

    The capsule is designed for water landing so it hangs at an angle under parachutes (to lower peak splashdown acceleration). The engines would push it sideways which is not ideal

  • @4675636b596f755954
    @4675636b596f7559546 жыл бұрын

    About halfway through the video it dawned on me that Elon Musk has just been playing Kerbal Space Program with real rockets all along.

  • @Zariho
    @Zariho6 жыл бұрын

    You are probably the most informative youtuber I have ever seen. You deserve a lot more subs

  • @louisfristensky1254
    @louisfristensky12543 жыл бұрын

    You really know your stuff! It's refreshing.

  • @ArnolddeLeon
    @ArnolddeLeon6 жыл бұрын

    Good prediction!

  • @user-bl4oq7fd8d

    @user-bl4oq7fd8d

    6 жыл бұрын

    It was on point lol

  • @rogerwilco2
    @rogerwilco26 жыл бұрын

    I think the main problem with the "Congress run" projects, is that the politicians are not interested in the end goal, but only in what it brings to their constituents/state. As a Dutchman, I consider it the biggest flaw in the USA (and EU) democracy, that the representation is regionalized. A national election should have national candidates. The same should be true for the EU parliament as well.

  • @ChrisBrengel

    @ChrisBrengel

    5 жыл бұрын

    I heard someone say once that NASA has just become a jobs program.

  • @wolfbyte3171
    @wolfbyte31716 жыл бұрын

    Subbed. I have no idea why I haven't heard of you sooner. Keep up the great work!

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +wolfbyte3171 hey thanks!!! That’s great, glad you found me! 🙏🙏🙏

  • @johnbeal9405
    @johnbeal94056 жыл бұрын

    First video of yours that I saw. Awesome stuff! Thanks.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +John Beal awesome!!! Thanks for checking it out and saying hi! 👍

  • @xristoforostountas1252
    @xristoforostountas12523 жыл бұрын

    Who is watching after a successful spash down??

  • @kingwr12
    @kingwr126 жыл бұрын

    So the Dragon 2 will NOT "land as a 21st century spacecraft should," as per Elon at the unveiling. Perhaps in the 22nd century?

  • @pauljones3017

    @pauljones3017

    6 жыл бұрын

    Wait for the ITS.

  • @kingwr12

    @kingwr12

    6 жыл бұрын

    Paul Jones I'm afraid I won't make it that long.

  • @bigdiglett3258

    @bigdiglett3258

    6 жыл бұрын

    Randy King too late, they're doing it, but it's called BFR

  • @57hound
    @57hound6 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating video! Looking forward to your future content--subscribed!

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +The Warped Board thank you! That means a lot!

  • @ellarpc
    @ellarpc6 жыл бұрын

    I had those exact binoculars when I was a kid. Thanks for the video.

  • @cavereric
    @cavereric6 жыл бұрын

    What about..... A large space station (maybe Bigelow) With 10 Falcon9 like vehicle landers and rovers. Fuel production. Launch the whole thing to Mars orbit.

  • @fierygaming4307

    @fierygaming4307

    6 жыл бұрын

    cavereric I hope you realize you can't produce much fuel in orbit... Not really that much material to work with

  • @Phoenixx-vy7ln

    @Phoenixx-vy7ln

    6 жыл бұрын

    and a magically long tube sending in crude oil

  • @kyeush1398

    @kyeush1398

    5 жыл бұрын

    They can't afford the fuel that is required to bring the giant space station into mars orbit.

  • @tsamuel6224
    @tsamuel62246 жыл бұрын

    Everyday Astronaut The little itsy bitsy legs stuck through the heat shield never made sense for a Mars landing on unknown terrain. An unknown terrain landing needs high flotation legs with active leveling. That puts the legs outside like on the F9 booster. If they want to send scientific instruments around in the solar system, there is no point at all in developing legs they can only land on a flat concrete tarmac. And on Earth, there isn't much point in propulsive landing unless they can land on a helipad, airport, ship, or wherever. I was wondering why they weren't doing routine propulsive take off and landings (with extra fuel on a stripped down test vehicle) to get deep practice. Thx.

  • @Choop4fun
    @Choop4fun6 жыл бұрын

    Pretty neat channel, definitely subscribing. Like the way you lay things out. Thanks,

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Gil Vil thank you very much! That means a lot!

  • @OMGSOMANYSURVEYS
    @OMGSOMANYSURVEYS6 жыл бұрын

    Subscribed, professional and straight to the point. +A little humour

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much! That means a lot :)

  • @icwiz
    @icwiz6 жыл бұрын

    I think its NASA at its cold feet about landing this way that actually created the problem. Elon said it would take too much resources to "qualify" propulsive landing. Maybe NASA wanted way more test flights and other expensive testing that would have made the whole thing too expensive.

  • @MsSomeonenew

    @MsSomeonenew

    6 жыл бұрын

    Crew safety requirements need 3 - 5 redundancies on all critical systems, I'm guessing that is just not doable with their system. The rules are there to prevent casualties, but obviously put a heavy burden on future designs.

  • @icwiz

    @icwiz

    6 жыл бұрын

    The fact that there is a competing space launch system being developed by defense contractors also bring politics into this. I wonder how much of those "requirements" were just junk to make this more difficult for SpaceX. I mean, Boeing's "Starliner" could never do propulsive landings. Seems like a way to force SpaceX to stop being so Badass.

  • @AmbientMorality

    @AmbientMorality

    6 жыл бұрын

    Are you joking? NASA, if anything, favors SpaceX. But they do not want to lose crew, so there are strict requirements. Given SpaceX's track record so far, they're the most likely to end up killing astronauts.

  • @icwiz

    @icwiz

    6 жыл бұрын

    No, its more politics than anything else. The fact that the SLS is still being developed shows that its all politics. The SLS uses SRBs, the one tech that has killed more astronauts than any other. Id rather trust SpaceX's rockets then that POS.

  • @FunBotan
    @FunBotan6 жыл бұрын

    Early USSR ships also had ejection seats.

  • @porko882

    @porko882

    4 жыл бұрын

    So did the Apollos and the Space shuttle.

  • @jshepard152

    @jshepard152

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@porko882 Apollo never had ejection seats.

  • @rgurgel
    @rgurgel6 жыл бұрын

    Great thinking about all those things going on ! and Woow nice music !!!

  • @GRSG
    @GRSG6 жыл бұрын

    Very useful info thanks!

  • @kenloose3560
    @kenloose35606 жыл бұрын

    Has anyone considered a propulsive landing in fresh water. The precision of a propulsive landing would make it possible to land in a small pond or even an artificial dugout pond. Fresh water would be less corrosive and a water landing would be gentle enough that there would be no need for landing legs. A crane and truck could be driven to the pond and pick the Dragon out of the water and whisk it off to wherever it is needed. A truck and crane would be quicker and cheaper than a ship and a helicopter.

  • @armandooliveira3712
    @armandooliveira37124 жыл бұрын

    Watching this after starship in 2019

  • @ChrisBrengel
    @ChrisBrengel5 жыл бұрын

    You rock! These are such awesome videos! SpaceX, NASA and other organizations should have an appropriate number of their employees become Patreon supporters every time you do a video about them!

  • @jojotoomojo8016
    @jojotoomojo80166 жыл бұрын

    I have been asking the same question, thanks for answering it.

  • @ZeusDilu
    @ZeusDilu6 жыл бұрын

    Since the reveal of Dragon 2, I always thought "Where are they going to store the fuel required to do a propulsive landing? The capsule is mostly space for people and it doesn't seem to contain a lot of fuel"

  • @eternalinnovation2118

    @eternalinnovation2118

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's actually not one of the limiting factors - SpaceX has already done the pad abort test and performed hover tests of Dragon 2 test models, which were perfectly fine storing fuel. The capsule has enough space for things like this. That's not a problem.

  • @ZeusDilu

    @ZeusDilu

    6 жыл бұрын

    I know they did that, what I meant was that a propulsive landing takes a lot more fuel than an abort or hover test

  • @AmbientMorality

    @AmbientMorality

    6 жыл бұрын

    Propulsive landing uses less fuel than an abort, by quite a bit. Remember the engines are throttled way back on landing. In an abort, they're at full power.

  • @Widestone001

    @Widestone001

    6 жыл бұрын

    Also, don't forget that our atmosphere is actually quite dense and when the propulsive landing starts it's less than 200 KPH fast. Quite slow, actually. And slowing down from that is not that much of a problem, when you have the tech and know-how to put the thing in orbit in the first place. Also, they have done propulsive landings many times now, with something much bigger and heavier than the Dragon 2 ;-)

  • @BDMort147

    @BDMort147

    6 жыл бұрын

    This is such a good point. I was thinking how on the pad it went form 0 to like 300 mph up, so for it to go from 150 to 0 mph down, sounds very doable. Were they planing a hover slam landing originally?

  • @Justin-gc4ms
    @Justin-gc4ms6 жыл бұрын

    but.... can it run crisis?

  • @miles2378

    @miles2378

    6 жыл бұрын

    justin van der werf every time a person references crisis in a KZread comment a puppy dies a little inside!

  • @Drakenex

    @Drakenex

    6 жыл бұрын

    Is Crysis FFS!!

  • @Finallybianca

    @Finallybianca

    6 жыл бұрын

    No but it can run Half Life 3.

  • @ls200076

    @ls200076

    6 жыл бұрын

    Can it stop water?

  • @pingpong9656

    @pingpong9656

    6 жыл бұрын

    justin van der werf Nothing can run Crysis 1 at 60 FPS... I'm still waiting for a GPU to do it at max setting, then I'll buy one... I seriously stopped buying GPUs because of Crysis 1 and the long wait for 60FPS!

  • @Maxschellenberg
    @Maxschellenberg6 жыл бұрын

    Nice video, great breakdown!

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Max Schellenberg thank you! I appreciate that!

  • @breker19er
    @breker19er5 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting! Great post!

  • @AleksyCastillio
    @AleksyCastillio5 жыл бұрын

    it would make more sense to still be able to propulsively land incase the parachutes fail

  • @Supadubya
    @Supadubya6 жыл бұрын

    At 10:05 you indirectly refer to the Sunk Costs Fallacy (when already spent costs are incorrectly factored into future decisions- leasing to abandoning a project that is cheaper to finish than to start over, or continuation of a project that would be cheaper to abandon and start over than to continue with...) However NASA and big contractor behavior is often NOT an example of this fallacy, and YOU are the one engaging in the Sunk Cost Fallacy in those cases... If you've already SUNK enormous amounts of money into a project and it is close to completion, then those costs are LOST already. The only things that matter are costs going forward- and if you are close to completing a project then finishing it often comes with far fewer additional costs than starting over on a newer project with the same capabilities. For instance, the Shuttle was INCREDIBLY expensive to develop, but by the time they realized they were going to end up way over-budget the future costs to finish the Shuttle were lower than they would have been if they had stsrted over on a new super-heavy lift rocket like SLS. There was no recovering those costs, and despite your ignorant mocking, ABANDONING the Shuttle at that point and stsrting on a new auper-heavy lifter would have costed even MORE money than just finishing the Shuttle. If you're 90% of the way into a $200 Billion project and only have $20 Billion to go, and a new option cones along that would have the same performance and cost only $40 Billion to develop you SHOULDN'T abandon your current project and begin work on the alternative- that would be exactly twice as expensive. Your already-expended costs are lost and you can't get them back- this is what it means for something to be a "Sunk Cost"... Industry, interestingly, gets away with abandoning projects all the time because they can just write failed projects off as a loss on their taxes- and pay less in taxes several years into the future by crediting those losses towards their USA tax obligation. It's a messed-up system, and one that Trump abused all the time in Real Estate to avoid paying taxes. It's an option available to defense contractors and private corporations like SpaceX, but it's NOT an option available to NASA. In short, abandoning a project is often still the more expensive choice even for private industry, but they can EXTERNALIZE part of that cost by writing it off as a loss for tax purposes, shoving off enough of the financial burden of abandoning the project (in ultimately higher total R&D costs) to the rest of society in the form of reduced tax contributions that abandoning a project often becomes the profitable option for a business- but the more expensive choice for society as a whole due to ways the government ends up subsidizing this decision...

  • @patrickschoute
    @patrickschoute6 жыл бұрын

    Great video!!

  • @unnarari13
    @unnarari135 жыл бұрын

    Came here from Mind and Machine podcast, Great stuff!

  • @siyacer
    @siyacer6 жыл бұрын

    They might change their mind.

  • @foobarbecue
    @foobarbecue6 жыл бұрын

    You said the ITS landing maneuver "looks nothing like how a dragon capsule would land," but how is it any different? They both do aerobraking and then propulsive landing, right? I think what's going on here, plain and simple, is that SpaceX is admitting don't have a realistic way to get to mars any time soon.

  • @BDMort147

    @BDMort147

    6 жыл бұрын

    Maybe because the dragon would've had boosters on the sides and landing legs in the middle while BFS or ITS is the opposite of that. But mainly I think it's because of totally different hardware being used so the experience gained from it wouldn't have been worth the cost. I wouldn't have said "looks nothing like" like he said, but rather it's different enough not to make it worth while.

  • @Zamolxes77

    @Zamolxes77

    6 жыл бұрын

    Course they don't lol, nobody does, they just playing the hype game. They should take D2 and make it land on the Moon 1st so we can establish a nice Luna Colony first. Then we'll think about Mars.

  • @radovankrizalkovic9084
    @radovankrizalkovic90846 жыл бұрын

    man you were basically right about all your predictions. Subscribed.

  • @aquasurfer9
    @aquasurfer96 жыл бұрын

    Great job. Great information. Keep up the great work.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Rick Ruehl thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏

  • @f2havcu
    @f2havcu5 жыл бұрын

    music is too loud, it is competing with your voice

  • @WilliamAndySmith-Romaq
    @WilliamAndySmith-Romaq5 жыл бұрын

    I love the show! I look forward to seeing the comparison between the Space Shuttle development and SpaceX.

  • @TinyPirate
    @TinyPirate6 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see a vid on the causes and lessons learned from the various SpaceX failures - what they missed, why, what they corrected :)

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +TinyPirate great idea!!! I’ll put it in my list to do! Thanks for the suggestion

  • @x666x34b
    @x666x34b6 жыл бұрын

    Prediction: We will be very old people when the Chinese become the first to land on Mars.

  • @GlanderBrondurg

    @GlanderBrondurg

    6 жыл бұрын

    I doubt that the People's Republic will ever land on Mars. Perhaps a successor to the current regime, but China has a long, long way to go before they can get a crew to land there and I doubt it will be this century even if their government changes.

  • @taylorsukoshi6126

    @taylorsukoshi6126

    6 жыл бұрын

    They have bigger problems to worry about like falun gong

  • @shadfurman

    @shadfurman

    6 жыл бұрын

    I would have made that kind of prediction 5 year ago, now I'm betting we'll have people on Mars in a decade and people living there in two, a city in 50. I know it sounds absurd, but extrapolating technology trends, it won't be as expensive as most people assume. The first dozen manned missions to Mars will probably cost more than the next 100.

  • @DevinDTV

    @DevinDTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    shadfurman there's literally no reason to colonized Mars, so I don't expect to see that happen for a couple hundred years. Space x and NASA will visit, maybe we'll eventually get a permanent research facility. But colony? That's just throwing money away

  • @GlanderBrondurg

    @GlanderBrondurg

    6 жыл бұрын

    +DevinDTV What makes you pessimistic about having a colony on Mars? I admit the cost of going there is not going to be cheap and the difficulty of simple human survival on another planet is going to be challenging to say the least. For myself, while I will admit there is no guarantee it will happen at all, there does seem to be at least an outside possibility that a permanent settlement could happen on Mars by the end of this century, assuming that politicians don't screw it up the way they have with Antarctica. The only thing really stopping settlement of Mars is the Outer Space Treaty in a strict interpretation of Planetary Protection guidelines that would prohibit human touch of that planet.

  • @deanseawa
    @deanseawa6 жыл бұрын

    I got just a little over one minute into it and then the baby scene happened. That's as far as I got. Immediate exit.

  • @holytothelord116

    @holytothelord116

    6 жыл бұрын

    DDD BBB neat

  • @isaacvanbaren2711

    @isaacvanbaren2711

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well... Not immediate apparently. Took some time to write that nasty comment.

  • @jshepard152

    @jshepard152

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@isaacvanbaren2711 More insightful than nasty.

  • @phoreman88
    @phoreman886 жыл бұрын

    informative video. you seem like a natural at this. the little bit of humor was good to balance all the information . thumbs up

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +brent f thank you very much!

  • @RODERICKMOLASAR
    @RODERICKMOLASAR6 жыл бұрын

    Great stuff. Dense with information and useful observations.

  • @beterthanlife
    @beterthanlife6 жыл бұрын

    11 minutes of blurb wrapped around a 30 second clip of Elon actually telling us why they won't pursue propulsive landing.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +beterthanlife part of science communication is providing context so they can understand the answer

  • @beterthanlife

    @beterthanlife

    6 жыл бұрын

    Fair enough, but did we really need the history of SpaceX, again?

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +beterthanlife some people don’t but according to the comments a lot of people did. I’m aiming at informing the general public and want to not assume everyone is on the same technical level. There’s PLENTY of sources out there for those of us who are looking for that.

  • @desert123100

    @desert123100

    6 жыл бұрын

    I appreciated the brief history

  • @seanmanny8727
    @seanmanny87276 жыл бұрын

    You really need to ditch the space suit, or at least beyond the intro. It's kinda silly at this point.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Sean Manny well I took a poll on a previous video and most people think I should wear the suit and helmet for intro and then suit for the rest of the video. (75% of people) so that’s what I’ve been doing

  • @symbioticcoherence8435

    @symbioticcoherence8435

    6 жыл бұрын

    I agree with what your poll said. I like the helmet, but together with your spectacles it seems kinda odd. I think you should get rid of the binocular though. It looks childish in contrast to the space suit, IMO.

  • @NarwahlGaming

    @NarwahlGaming

    6 жыл бұрын

    Everyday Astronaut - For the next video, you should wear just a banana hammock for ol' Sean!

  • @BugRib

    @BugRib

    6 жыл бұрын

    Naaaahhh. Don't change a thing.

  • @foobarbecue

    @foobarbecue

    6 жыл бұрын

    Add a propeller beanie.

  • @sgkingly8392
    @sgkingly83925 жыл бұрын

    Came back here after the crew dragon demo flight! So much has changed in a few years....

  • @11moonshot
    @11moonshot5 жыл бұрын

    I fully agree with Tim's final judgement: See the final target and be flexible!

  • @amirulzinel5812
    @amirulzinel58126 жыл бұрын

    awesome video keep it up!

  • @danielfuller3040
    @danielfuller30406 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video. I learned a lot from this. +1 sub : )

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Dan Full awesome! Thank you!!!

  • @eltmg7135
    @eltmg71356 жыл бұрын

    You summed it up perfectly. The propulsive landing would have been awesome, and it's kind of a bummer that it doesn't happen, but then again, why put so much into it at all, when they could just put all their efforts and resources in developing BFR? After all, the Dragon 2 is still going to be launched by the Falcon 9, a partially reusable vehicle, and while it is pretty cool, it'd be much cooler to see a much bigger ship replace it. So with that in mind, the plans getting canceled is actually something good, because with SpaceX it pretty much always means they have something bigger and better in mind.

  • @jemandindentiefendesintern3096
    @jemandindentiefendesintern30965 жыл бұрын

    Found you in my recommendations. Instant sub.

  • @kenleach2516
    @kenleach25164 жыл бұрын

    Nice update!

  • @omermagen824
    @omermagen8246 жыл бұрын

    I really like your music! It goes so well with your videos too!

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Omer Magen thank you!! 🙏

  • @peterlewis4199

    @peterlewis4199

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sorry Tim, but I found when the speech and music were playing together, that it was hard to focus on what you were saying. Just too much going on... Perhaps make the music quieter when you are talking. Don't worry I loved the video. Keep up the good work.

  • @peterlewis4199

    @peterlewis4199

    6 жыл бұрын

    Actually it was just near the end that the music got too loud. Have a listen and see what you think.

  • @LukeJamesLewis
    @LukeJamesLewis6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video and the reasoning! Originally I was sad but given your perspective it makes sense

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Luke Lewis no problem! Glad I could help!

  • @codysett1
    @codysett16 жыл бұрын

    I got to work on some of the tooling for the dragon 2. Pretty cool stuff.

  • @bob2nifty
    @bob2nifty5 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the info just subbed

  • @Icanbyorsuprman1
    @Icanbyorsuprman16 жыл бұрын

    I just love seeing this many people being excited about what SpaceX is doing. To see this happening before my time passes is inspiring in itself.

  • @johnedgeworth453
    @johnedgeworth4536 жыл бұрын

    Excellent show and review of current affairs. Thanks for the fun show and I will be watching all the shows in the future. Sooo, how does one get to be a member of your space corps?

  • @playstationaddicts8279
    @playstationaddicts82796 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Tim,love it.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +SKINNY WIBBS glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for checking it out 👍

  • @YeahScience
    @YeahScience6 жыл бұрын

    You're doing cool shit man. Love I found your channel!

  • @popculture70
    @popculture706 жыл бұрын

    Your music is really cool! :)

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Simon West thank you! I’m actually writing more as we speak, I’m glad you enjoyed it! 👍

  • @emaPug
    @emaPug6 жыл бұрын

    liked especially for the music

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +emaPug thank you very much! 🙏

  • @Tomfoolery1972
    @Tomfoolery19723 жыл бұрын

    That record scratch at 1:16 had me howling 🤣

  • @jacklambert3117
    @jacklambert31176 жыл бұрын

    Informative and interesting.Many thanks.

  • @EverydayAstronaut

    @EverydayAstronaut

    6 жыл бұрын

    +jack lambert you’re welcome! Thanks for checking it out! 😘

  • @lucywucyyy
    @lucywucyyy5 жыл бұрын

    i really hope they bring back the propulsive landing one day, they could atleast use the drako thrusters in tandem with the parachute the way the soyuz does

  • @thefinalfrontier318
    @thefinalfrontier3186 жыл бұрын

    that thumbnail is amazing!

  • 6 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for the next video!

  • @clikzip
    @clikzip5 жыл бұрын

    You seem to make these videos longer than they need to be. Good video overall tho! +1

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