“It’s been nearly a year since the last Starship test flight” I honestly did not think I would last this long. I’m proud of me.

@danielfloyd9742

2 жыл бұрын

I can't believe it's been a year!! that's nuts.

Jack, using the cow pic to illustrate the boundary layer transition had me roflmao! You're awesome!

@JackABeyer

2 жыл бұрын

:💨🐄

@ckdigitaltheqof6th210

2 жыл бұрын

THERMAL COW AERODYNAMICS

@OctavianVoicu

2 жыл бұрын

Well that's how you can see he's not a physicist, otherwise he'd have used a spherical cow.

@ckdigitaltheqof6th210

2 жыл бұрын

...you mean, a more aerodynamic cow? *maybe* 🤣 ...no the cow was PERFECT, its a cgi showing the obstical, of a structure, with the senario of wind, drag, lift, stall and heat. *COW JUMPS OVER THE MOOON* 🐄👀

Thanks for your delightful and artistic mix of serious discussion with humor, Jack. Lord knows those of us who are SpaceX/Starship fans are desperate for significant new steps forward after these interminable FAA delays. It's almost enough to make me wish for the good ol' early sub-orbital days when we were treated to a launch per month or something like that.

@flippdoubt8057

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the treehuggers that have caused all this ridiculous garbage. I wonder if STARSHIP was the only way to save humans from eminent disaster, if the A-HOLE Politicians would then allow him testing through the roof …completely unhinged! QUICK! Redirect and asteroid!

@Crunch_dGH

2 жыл бұрын

See: Angry_Astro’s recent analysis of FAA documentation to find out that the FAA is actually “all in” on expediting Starbase approval. It’s just sh** ton of boxes to check off.

@jfh9209

2 жыл бұрын

The FAA delays have so far NOT delayed any orbital launches.

@flippdoubt8057

2 жыл бұрын

@@Crunch_dGH I love Angry Astronaut, but he’s not always 💯 correct. The head of the FAA is stepping down. He was hired by the previous administration. Why? Why leave now? We also know the ‘powers that be’ want the SLS to receive some positive press because that’s how these power-hungry politicians get their sickening over-fill of fraudulent funds….allegedly. I do agree that STARSHIP isn’t ready, but it was. 4/20 was ready to try, but it’s likely it wasn’t…but with permission I’m certain Elon would have pushed the button, if for no other reason, to just see what happens. I’m left wondering. None of us truly know the whole story, but….those politicians are definitely doing dastardly things behind the scenes. THAT must end.

@flippdoubt8057

2 жыл бұрын

@@Crunch_dGH Are they? What are those boxes? I can take a weekend & tackle them. They’d look like this ✅…I’m a cheap fast worker & I’m all in too! 😅

That *cough* FAA *cough* at 8:57 had me rolling!🤣 Brilliant!!

Hands down Jack's best commentary job to date. 🤣

Thank you for this great video! The script and Jack's presentation absolutely made my day!

6:40 lol I actually laughed at this joke. You have earned my like good sir.

I really like the more comical approach to this video 😅 brilliant and much appreciated, makes the video all the more entertaining! Keep it up!

I laughed out loud on that BRRRRT animation of StarShip spitting out starlink satellites XD

Raptor 2 needs flight testing, different landing thrust than before

More of this please. Jack needs a raise for these. Perfect mix of funny, factual and entertaining. A+

I love Jack's sense of humor. What a pleasure to listen

Great video, Jack. As much as I wish they would, I agree it’s probably best to wait and send the best vehicle available when the FAA review is complete.

In my view, the absolute key reason why NOT to fly is that Stage 0 is just too damned expensive and would take way too much time to repair if the ship underwent a RUD sitting on the OLM. We've all seen how long it has taken to construct the OLM. It is, by far, the most complex and intricate system of the entire operation, ships and boosters included.

@mirandahw

2 жыл бұрын

It'd (theoretically, ignoring the fact it can't) launch from Suborbital B which is pretty far away from S0, so that shouldn't be too big of an issue bar an SN4-style RUD right at the point of maximum prop load. All of S0 would probably be fine-ish and the suborbital stuff is completely separate from the orbital stuff anyway

@glennpearson9348

2 жыл бұрын

@@mirandahw You said it yourself. I think they call them "suborbital" pads for a reason. ;-) I'm pretty sure the FAA would have a problem with orbital launches from those suborbital pads.

@typowy2300

2 жыл бұрын

They can't sit a ship on the OLM, it doesn't have the clamps and connections for doing so

@rickmorty5215

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I get that and the fact that ships quickly become redundant with iterations, but it really doesn't make sense to keep wasting ships, engines, and boosters this way. At least use ship 20 to test the chopstick catch system. They are going to have to test it anyway, and these tests could inform how they build the Florida facility.

@typowy2300

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickmorty5215 s20 doesn't have the right connections for catching

I think we should also ask... Can ship 20 even perform such flight without a booster? All previous flights had very little amounts of fuel in the tanks. If we were to add more to get necessary ∆v, it may get too heavy to even lift off

@l4bells851

2 жыл бұрын

I think that Starship (upper stage) has atleast a TWR of 1 incase the booster blows up, tho I can remember this incorrectly as musk said it on twitter like once

@Jay-qs1ef

2 жыл бұрын

Some estimates said ship 20 has a TWR of 1.3 fully fueled, and I'm guessing they probably wouldn't need it completely full to hit Mach 5.

@_mikolaj_

2 жыл бұрын

@@l4bells851 (i'm afraid TWR of 1 is not enaugh to outrun explosion shockwave) anyway, tbh, maybe we should be able to calculate it? We don't know the drymass of the ship, but we should know fuel mass and engine thrust

I agree with your points. While we would love to see a launch at this time, it's best for them to concentrate on testing ground support systems and making changes there to give it the best shot when the time comes to head skywards. They have more data than anyone when it comes to good space flight and return. Okay, it's only a "broomstick" but that data is important and I should imagine some of it is scaleable. Time will tell and it will all be worth the wait regardless of where they launch from.

I love your sense of humor Jack! Your reasoning is also impeccable!

@niftybass

2 жыл бұрын

Freakin' awesome! Thanks, Jack! Thanks for sharing the thought process, AND I'm still chuckling! 👍

Jack, you're an absolute gem.

Awesome vid! Love these unique mid week vids! NASASpaceflight is the best!

Ahh, I've been waiting for this. Jack getting comfortable enough doing these voiceovers to start seriously inserting his brand of comedy. Loving it Jack, keep on keeping on 😊

Agreed I'm right there with you I just want to see them do some more tests flying! 🙏🙏🙏

In my opinion, testing ships with raptor 1's probably isn't needed anymore but I do think that they should do at least one super heavy hop. Technically the thing has never flown or static fired like starship has, going straight to orbit seems like a stretch without having both articles thoroughly tested with flight data. Although I guess we've all come to appreciate the ability of spacex to do this fast by letting things blow up

@mirandahw

2 жыл бұрын

B3 static fired with three R1's. B7 or B8 (depending on how B7's surgery goes) will static fire before the orbital flight... They're not just gonna go 0 to 100. As for hopping SH, they just don't have the infrastructure there, plus it is EXTREMELY dangerous to do (much more propellant needed to test SH = bigger boom).

I agree. This is a NEEDED test flight. Elon is giving the FAA the breathing room to get over their dislike for him and approve the site for test flights. His patience here should pay off soon. I will add that further test firings of R1.x aren't needed. Tests of R2 are. Best outcome for S20 would be to wind up at the Brownsville Airport as an exhibit. Barring that, burst test.

@steveaustin2686

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, I would not say that the FAA dislikes SpaceX, since they approved the SN9 launch in Feb 2021 after the SN8 unauthorized flight. The FAA also defended SpaceX in front of Congress over the unauthorized SN8 flight in Jun 2021. The FAA is the lead agency with NASA, the Army Corps of Engineers, the US Coast Guard, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, and the National Park Service all involved from the beginning. Dangerous test flights have been around for a long time, so as long as the public is not involved, the FAA likely isn't anymore concerned than NASA over the robust test program. Boca Chica village is close to the launch site, so that has likely the FAA concern over RUDs affecting it. The US Fish and Wildlife Service and the National Park Service are the ones to have concerns over the wildlife and park areas around Boca Chica, so the FAA may have concerns for that, because other agencies have concerns. I agree on Raptor 1. It caused the failures of 4 of the 5 landing attempts. Move on to Raptor 2 testing. Brownsville Airport does want a Starship, so there are 3 candidates for that.

@johnhanson6039

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think the FAA is anti-SpaceX, not sure about EPA though. FAA is usually highly competent and professional if byzantine and overly endowed by Red tape

@Myrddnn

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnhanson6039 Those are fair criticisms to be sure. But they are working under a paradigm that is rapidly changing. They still have to follow the current rules until congress changes them.

Thanks NSF! Great summary!

Best reason not to , is the design has changed , new engines and new aerodynamics due to body designs . Better to test a model closer to current one . And explosion of an old model would hurt newer model testing

@arik_dev

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. There's the risk of damaging launch infrastructure with every test. To take that risk, the value of the data gained should be maximal. They gain the most valuable information by flying the most up to date model and putting it through as many phases as it can get through. That's why it makes sense to go for orbit, because you test more phases for the same launch risk.

Great video Jack! I enjoy your sense of humor.

every starship prototype from star hopper to present just blown me away ! can't wait for the first orbital test flight and booster catch !

I see those hidden YEETS in the thumbnail 😉, I think it’s great 😂

Raptor 2.0s never getting a test flight and look how much starship has changed since they flew the last successful test. Fingers crossed 🤞 🤞 it all goes off smoothly :)

Not having had a flight in 363 days should be as good a reason as any. Not that any reason would be good enough to actually do some random rocketry for a change. Mmmmh, random rocketry. Sounds delicious!

I've been wondering if the stainless will make a good artificial coral reef, i think its too smooth for the coral to attach to well but the TPS might be good for it. artificial reefs are a complex topic though often they dont work as well as intended.

@arik_dev

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting question, maybe after rusting it would be more amenable to corals?

Great video! Congrats

Jesus Jack. I had to rewind the video several times cause I kept snickering. Awesome video please keep this up.

Bravo 👏 and yes we need to keep our spirits up and indeed 😊 what a beautiful Engine it is with no unneeded parts and pieces! -Cliff Battleship Marine Supply Fairhope, Alabama

I came up w very similar reasons to to a test of reentry TPS system. I agree w your rationals. Thanks for posting this!!

Well done, NSF! Another very informative and insightful narrated video and the level of the music was low enough to not compete with the vocals. Jack’s presentation style has come on leaps and bounds. He’s now more focussed and measured than he was. For me, I’d just like him to slow down a bit, as full-throttle narration can become fatiguing after 13 minutes. But keep it up and keep the quality content flowing. No one delivers like you guys do!

"non space fans are wary of explosions, even low energy ones" _remembering how multiple people lost their absolute minds over the LN2 spill from a test tank_ ...yeah

Yes to all that...but still, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY COOL!!!

Check the differences between heat tile installation on the newer models after S20, Night &Day. More and better data from later models. Beside the fact that there is time considering FAA approval delays.

Jack please yeet more of these videos.

Cool, good points all around!

Thank you Jack and NSF for this. And Mary!

I agree they should do so. But the planned almost orbital flight gathers the needed information as well, so if one can kill both issues at the same time great!

There's a little of Jack Sparrow in him without the alcohol 🍸 content explaining why we need to launch SpaceX star ship. Great 👍 video on how we all feel when we cannot light the candle.

This is now my favourite NSF video.

would love to be able to 'hit the LIKE button' multiple times. Thank you @NASASpaceflight and Jack for this very cool video.

@fred3000

2 жыл бұрын

Cool Name

Jack gets the ole WB-57 in there!

@JackABeyer

2 жыл бұрын

A L W A Y S

Thanks, Jack for a Brilliant video! Love your sense of humor.

This video has Jack fingerprints all over it and I love it

Solid vid. Thanks!

its likely that spaces launch towers have been model tested in a wind tunnel, or they've used finite element maths to test the designs in 3d cad.

Good, though I'm hearing a lot of microphone popping in your narration . Here are some possible solutions: Use a pop filter Distance yourself from the microphone Tilt the microphone slightly off-axis Place your finger or a pencil against your lips Use an omnidirectional microphone Engage the microphone's high-pass filter Engage the mic preamp's high-pass filter Fix with equalization Fix with software Alter the vocal delivery My recommendation would be the first two. Thanks for the videos!

The FOIA request about Boca Chica wildlife is interesting, significant impacts on wildlife but very easy (maybe too easy?) mitigations

@mirandahw

2 жыл бұрын

That only applies to the expansion, which SX has already abandoned it seems

@dominicbendinelli4805

2 жыл бұрын

All mitigations are also only recommendations, although they are so minimal I hope SpaceX complies.

@steveaustin2686

2 жыл бұрын

The Endangered Species Act section of the review was completed on Apr 29th, leaving the Environmental Assessment (EA) and Section 106 review areas to go.

Great arguments here! I'd love to hear what SpaceX has to say about these points and how they rank the tradeoffs that led them to scrap.

Ok, this was *Greatly Entertaining* with more than a bit of truth to it! I say: GO FOR IT!

This one rules! What a fun video! We love Jack?

Did anyone else notice the yeet in the thumbnail

we often underestimate the thermals because the chance of tiles being scratched not drop out is quite possible.

Omg the humor was absolutely amazing 😂😂

Love the videos. Couple thoughts: can starship get to orbital speed by itself or would it need super heavy? If you’re testing super sonic speeds, are you already getting closer to orbital speed? If so, makes me wonder if these test would best be carried out with an orbital launch

Haha wow love this format. Blessings

The impact crash of a large/bulk object in velocity of *hyper* sonic speed, can be *huge devistating* results, this is why for so long, the FAA had to delay this attempt. How to reduce these risk? For one, the task will have to be divided, instead of a full plung to the landing spot, Starship stage two, will have to use *much more* fuel yeild of speed, AFTER the re-enter burn effects, as the HS tiles being the prime objectives of THAT single task, so the sonic boom/crash isn't amplified on Earth. The NEXT divided test, is the classic, gravity fall ratio of Mars, which is quite low, being that landing acrobate of extreme criticle risk fuel, since that part has been tested (last year), it would be another test-2 of for a radicly new/added ship model tweak (Mechazilla choptix). A third task/test, of RISK time duriation launch scrubb, this one is actually a 'concept-task,' that *double full-set starhip Refuel & Refill (of 02/human cargo resources) with t-minus *future weather kind* conditions scrubb, WHILE astronauts being *delay lost* in orbit. This is ALL due to the fact, the BEAST, is NOT able to take stage two, to FULLY parked in *orbit velocity* ...resulting in a 3rd STAGE flight, JUST to change that idea.

Hey Jack thanks it's great great video and this is something I have actually been wondering for quite a while you just thought of all the points that I never thought of. Now you said one thing in there was about the cost. And you're definitely right it cost money to get locks it cost money to get liquid methane, and having said all that then why are we putting these fuels and oxidizer in the orbital tank farm just for them to vent out and have to put more in.

Thanks!

best reason is that I WANT TO SEE IT!!! ;)

When I woke up today, there was no intention of learning about the aerodynamics of a cow... ...yet here I am.

I can think of plenty of city museums that wouldn't mind a donated starship prototype. If you can ship it, you can have it!

Danger cam!! I remember watching that live

This flight wouldn’t have to fly from the orbital mount. It could be launched from the suborbital pads. As for the engines, they don’t need to be changed if the ship itself is being studied.

How about taking a fueled S20 to 60miles up, flipping it at apogee, then firing downward until it reached Mach25 to simulate reentry from space, to test the tiles? Then belly flop down to the landing flip & leg less chopstick catch?

How about hauling 420 out to one of the floating launch platforms (phobos or deimos), and test systems out there? That is when they're somewhat close to being launch ready...

cool cool cool I want more

I had though, going back at least 50 years or so, that model wind tunnel testing was a well developed science. The need to test fly a full size object was pretty much discarded by the end of the Vietnam war. Maybe behaviour at hypersonic speed transition is not well understood, but I kinda doubt that.

spacex would have to build a hypersonic wind tunnel as nasa's isn't big enough to test a full size starship, although they could test a scale model in it.

Haha, more ep's like this please :D

Everything you said in this video is 110% true. No flight until testing is done.

perhaps next time we could include that sling shot economics this must be one step further than man has tripped out...

They should call the starship Mach 5, and the booster Speed Racer.

Where is the link to the other video?

@JackABeyer

2 жыл бұрын

Starship Design Changes: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWiZxMiLd5ScnrA.html

8:59 😂😂😅

Starship 20 would be ripped to smithereens. It's just a mockup-vehicle to get the boosters airworthy. It's flawed in every way possible. I am totally excited about Booster, that'll get necessary tonnage up in space. A beefed up version of dragon plus a good ol' second stage will work out. Put that on top of booster and then we' ll be getting somewhere

The tiles on ship 20 are too fragile and fall-off very easily. The loss of one or two tiles would cause hot plasma to burn through the steel fuselage and would eventually lead to the ships loss. It would be very difficult to get any useful data from the debris that didn't burn-up on re-entry and was strewn across a large swath of the pacific. They need to work on the thermal system a bit more.

Would Raptor V1 be a reason not to launch, if it's not the engines they need to test? They've got plenty of the things they need to do something with...

I'm with the "Screw it, LIGHT IT UP!" crowd. 😆

If its just going to be scrapped anyway, why not fly it to get as much value out of the investment as you can. If it goes BOOM then nothing's really lost. Except... The investment needed in potential clean up...

@Rob2

2 жыл бұрын

And maybe (as rightly indicated in the video) some confidence from the authorities and general public is lost in their ability to safely operate a launch site in the area. That could affect future operations a lot.

Hi guys thanks for your video of showing me about space and the space industry yes 👍 i hope the FAA makes their minds up soon but i won’t hold my breath David 🚀❤️🇬🇧🙏🧑‍🍳

I still think they should use it for point to point research, seeing as they were contracted to have a look at it 🖖😁

Could S20 do an orbital flight? Or rather, could it do an orbital return to launchsite?

OMG ROFL!!!!!!! Good one, Jack

Thomas Edson tested light bulb filaments many hundreds of times until he found the best filament. Then it was a champion race. Nobody is born knowing.

When was the last static fire at boca chica?

Funny video. I liked this

Tests can be endless. He does real.. REAL flight tests. Reason 1: to land a Raptor is most important. Reason 2: to test full rocket you have to PRODUCE the full rocket. Reason 3. IT IS EXPENSIVE. And he paid taxes. Or could test it all. Well.. Wanna test? PAY YOUR OWN MONEY

SN5 landed too!

Yes jack i agree with you.

Thanks for this Video and #Maythe4bewithyou

Just one point I'm not quite clear on. Is this Jack character an engineer at SpaceX?

See if it needs a flame trench or blast deflector?

Nah. Remember that a few Starships are expected to be lost, and if not will just be retired pretty quickly anyway. Add to that the fact that much more data will be obtained from an orbital flight, and there we are. I'm quite sure they won't want to lose a booster (other than the first one maybe -- but is that plan going to change now that it's a more developed version with Raptor 2s?), but the booster flight already is basically a hypersonic suborbital flight. And SpaceX *knows* reusable boosters, so there's no reason to pull punches on the testing.

Should SpaceX shift production to the Cape? I know they are currently building there, but still seems like the bulk of construction is in Boca. The Cape is a sure thing, they can launch there, Boca is a question mark. So much fear, uncertainty, and doubt when waiting on approval from a government entity (private entities are powerless, all they can do is wait and hope).

@knowledgeisgood9645

2 жыл бұрын

At the cape they have to deal with the Air Force and all the other companies launching from there. It means endless delays. The weather at the cape doesn't make it any easier.