I think his design is fine but a new art style and model, that brings out the expressiveness you see in the 2D games and Uekawa’s illustrations would be welcome

@STICKOMEDIA

Жыл бұрын

That would be epic

@somecitrus7561

Жыл бұрын

We went insane when we saw those classic noodle legs and hotdog shoes in the Frontiers teaser but it was just Marza understanding good animation and posing as usual, all for nothin...

@LannyLeArtist

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@BananaReidy

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Angie2343

10 ай бұрын

We need some more akin to the Sonic Underground designs.

I would love if Yuji Uekawa's art style came back on box art in some way. I think it would be a good idea if they experimented with different art styles on future spin offs instead of using he same renders

@STICKOMEDIA

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that would be so refreshing to see

@snailtrashx2

Жыл бұрын

sonic looks the best in that style it's so expressive

@ayrtonjoga

Жыл бұрын

Funny that Sonic had some experimental visuals in the 2000s, the Adventure games, 06, Riders and Unleashed all had different styles The only exceptions in the 2010s were Boom and the movie designs

@alptugraakan7490

2 ай бұрын

Random off topic fun fact:Maekawa was supposed to write frontiers

My favorite Sonic Style Is from the Adventure era. I dunno, I like the curves and the hotdog shoes.

@LannyLeArtist

Жыл бұрын

Same

@Kiasony

Жыл бұрын

Fr

@THECHRISAL3X

Жыл бұрын

PERFECTION.

@heather65204

Жыл бұрын

Even Amy's hair change. In Adventure era was shorter in the back. And now just looks generic and bland.

@AngelTHedgehog

14 күн бұрын

I proudly agree despite liking the Heroes Design

i’m fine with the model we have now but we can definitely have improvements. one thing i DESPERATELY want to see is more noodle-y limbs so sonic can fully embrace his rubberhose inspiration. i feel like this could lead to more expressive animation and more dynamic poses too.

@TechBlade9000

Жыл бұрын

Funny thing is, the Frontiers model supports it They just won't use it, they're too deep into giving this hedgehog actual joints

@NotSoGenesiz

Жыл бұрын

@@TechBlade9000 i mean you’re not wrong, it’s definitely a start, i’ve noticed that some animations are bouncier than before but it’s barely anything tbh

@TechBlade9000

Жыл бұрын

@@NotSoGenesiz Oh I guess I wasn't clear The model has the rigging support for rubberhose limbs, but goes completely unused in game

@NotSoGenesiz

Жыл бұрын

@@TechBlade9000 oh that’s a shame then

@ayrtonjoga

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, Unleashed had a lot of cartoony and stretchy movement and worked really well, I think the only game that came close was Shadow The Hedgehog

Oreo's fan model is literally the perfect Sonic model wtf

@littenfire3563

Жыл бұрын

Ikr? It makes me wish Sonic looked like that officially

Early to mid 2000s was the best era with the best character designs and art style. Sonic was about attitude and that’s what those era did awesome with. Now the art style/designs is missing that attitude and slick look

@THECHRISAL3X

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@blackdoom_

Жыл бұрын

Bro sonic heroes was peak design, change my mind

@Lillenmedmillen

Жыл бұрын

Went from cocky kid to snarky teen to generic frat guy in the span of 25 years years

1:56 also the fact that sonic is very well animated in sonic unleashed! He has a lot of expressiveness and animated poses that actually works with the model, however as time goes on he's becoming more and more stiff in his animations as well, lot less bouncy or exaggerates movement within the games, or if there is, its kind of mish mashed in between lots of static poses, that just end up looking a little awkward. So a mix of both the artstyle and how he is animated is really what makes sonic feel interesting, immersive and well, sonic. One of the reasons I loved the cg cutscenes so much for the sonic franchise is because you get to see them fully animated to their potential

@Shubbes

10 ай бұрын

if you go to the egg beetle intro cut scene you can really see how much they stretch sonics legs while he runs

I 100% agree. A Sonic model with the expressiveness and appealing design from something like Yuji Uekawa's art would be amazing.

Sonic Frontiers was supposed to be a new era of sonic. So I really thought they were going to change the Sonic model and the voice actor for the character

@fazelfarrokhi1998

Жыл бұрын

Yes right like they said new era sonic team liked doing new models for new era and voice

@spark9189

4 ай бұрын

i do wish that they changed the model, but roger in frontiers is imo the best sonic voice

@Jeff-te2cc

4 ай бұрын

@@spark9189 I like the seriousness of his voice on Frontiers. But I personally like the 4kids voice actor. However for a serious or darker style of sonic game, I agree with you

@_veloxity91

Ай бұрын

Frontiers definitely made the Forces model feel a lot different. In the cutscenes where the characters actually.. y'know, MOVE, the model is actually used very well. As for the voice, I think Roger is fine. A mix between his Frontiers voice direction and his original direction would sound great imo.

Hey ! 1 year later we've got Sonic Dream Team. And FINALY we have a new model and it look so good !!!

I don't think you addressed why Uekawa's art style translated into 3D would be better. It just felt like that's your favorite design, and it should stay that way, without giving a reason why. Instead of this video feeling like: "Why Sonic Should Have a New Design"; it felt more like: "What's My Favorite Sonic Design".

@LukeStation

Жыл бұрын

Hmm... you're right. I'll keep that in mind if I ever make another video like this!

@Asurilm

Жыл бұрын

@@LukeStation Alrighty! Also, I didn't want to sound mean just in case; I was just giving my opinion. Thanks for answering! And keep making awesome videos!

I love the heroes models. They don't seem to get a lot of appreciation usually. A cell shaded Sonic game would look sick.

I really liked the sa2 models, maybe a mix of sa2 and heroes could be a good model

I've never thought about Sonic's design that way, and i think you finally helped me realize why i found it kinda weird Cool video btw awesome editing :D

The modern Sonic character model looks like a plastic doll and I'm sick and tired of it.

@patrickdixon7202

Жыл бұрын

Nah.

@purpleboye_

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickdixon7202 Yah.

@patrickdixon7202

Жыл бұрын

@@purpleboye_ Clown.

@purpleboye_

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickdixon7202 Cuck

@patrickdixon7202

Жыл бұрын

@@purpleboye_ Duck.

Awesome job bro, people love to pretend sonic fans are unreasonable when it comes to sonic design complaints, but you explained it all perfectly!

@worthybutter2004

Жыл бұрын

I don't agree on "people love to pretend they're unreasonable about designs", sure some ARE reasonable, but you can't deny there's at least a few are the total opposite. But I digress.

@Beastmd

Жыл бұрын

@@worthybutter2004 in my opinion, the muzzle convo isnt really necessary, but i wouldn't really call it unreasonable. i hated seeing people getting bullied for wanting his quills to be longer, thats mainly what im referring to

@worthybutter2004

Жыл бұрын

@@Beastmd Fair enough!

4:19 this model and Oreo's...YEEEEEES! If this was Sonic's actual design in the games, that would be amazing

I think they could do what they did with Mario in odyssey. They could keep the design while adding in tiny details to make it look less “plastic-y”

I miss Sonic's this brow bone or whatever it's called.

i think that they should either go back to the unleashed model with the longer quills and stuff like that or what i would really want is a adventure and adventure 2 kinda artstyle like yk on the box art? i would like to see that but actually put into the gameplay i think it'd add a little personality and as im writing this i am noticing more and more ppl typing the same thing as me and the comments were before me but anyways thats all i wanted to say i'd like to hear thoughts on this mr @LukeStation (Edit i just watched the full video i don't need your opinions now XD already got them)

@edadankmemes

Жыл бұрын

did you watch the video?

@TheFaxTimes

Жыл бұрын

@@edadankmemes did u read the full comment?

That Sonic model by Oreo looks perfect.

I feel like Sonic Design today is cool IN my opinion, the Fact They change his quill to be Short to make them look like Classic sonic is good, but I wish they have more facial Expression rather than his Eyelids We only saw his eyebrows move a bit in Frontiers, so maybe I’m hoping in the future that they took Inspiration From Prime animations and implant it in the next Sonic game.

Have you seen how many Sonic Frontiers mods there are that add Sonic Adventure models, model edits or mechanics? It's obvious we're begging for that Adventure style of design again, both when it comes to models and level design.

Sonic's model now has lost its edge and looks way too baby-ish. The main problem is there. Sonic is supposed to be a cool and edgy character and Uekawa's art expressed that very well. Hisanobu Kometani, the Sonic Battle artist also nailed it with the use of sharp silhouettes. Even the first Sonic Riders during the intro the art reflects the tone perfectly. Their main inspiration were graffitis, Sonic was frowning and his posture reflected his confidence, competence and aggressivity. The current Sonic always feels unsure and offenseless, he's round and bland. They tried to make a Mario out of him.

4:17 holy! SHIT! NOW THATS A MODEL

Maybe some extended quills and with the facial expressions of Boom!Sonic and it would be a HUGE improvement

For as much as people want to talk about Classic vs. Modern Sonic, it's weird to think we've never truly capture the Sonic Adventure-era stock art in 3D models.

@ShockwaveFPSStudios

2 ай бұрын

I think you guys just did. Nibroc Rock made some great Adventure Era Models.

only 2k subs?!?! Wow, the editing quality on this video is insane, you definitely deserve more subs with these quality videos. Keep up the good work 👍

Nice video! Thank god this video and this channel appeared in my home section! You seriously have a lot of potential my friend! I wish you great amounts of happiness and success! :)

I think in the black knight cutscenes modern sonic looked perfect.

@Sonic_Hedgehog853

Жыл бұрын

Nah unleashed are god level when it came to cinematic Cutscence

@jasonblack2477

Жыл бұрын

@@Sonic_Hedgehog853 unleasched is god level but they drew him so damn awesome in black knight

one of the things I least like in modern design is the shoes, in Unleashed and Generations they worked because they matched the artstyle, but now it's too weird to see, I like how 06's shoes reflect how he is a character that runs at the speed of sound, the thinnest white line, the longest shoes, the white sole and the details underneath, that's perfect

I think he needs a more pronounced brow, and a slightly different eye shape to look better. Also, I love Yuji Uekawa's 2D artwork, and his 3D artwork for Gems Collection, and I also use the artwork at 3:22 for my PFP, as it's one of my favourite pieces of Sonic art!

I know Sonic beats McQueen anytime but he's such a big memory of childhood.

Uekawa's style has evolved HEAVILY from wut it was in SA1/2 & I honestly prefer all the future stuff he's done compared to the Adv games. I also LOVE the Riders style SO MUCH I wish it would return(& jus a new game in general u kno). Uekawa's current style actually *Strongly resembles the current (altered) model of Forces/Frontiers(tho it looks great don't get me wrong) which makes me believe they always chose to at least take inspiration from whatever he's currently doin. In short I kinda half blame him for wut we currently have but it's a bit of speculation on my part so who knows. The explanation u gave was not only spot on but actually made me realize a few things I didn't think of before. I love the Unleashed-Gens Design but even I think it's been too long since there's been a switch up & this franchise thrives on that stuff(like Zelda in a way). I think when it comes to promos the issue is more HOW they R used rather than the model itself(but it is also overused like I said). There R TONS of earlier promos that use this model REALLY well but as time went on that jus... stopped happenin for some reason & idk y.

@yadienbegode2778

Жыл бұрын

Really? Tbh, I LOVE Yuji's original art style from SA1 and SA2 way more than his current style

The only thing I dislike is how his spikes are shorter and how Sonic‘s spike‘s don’t go up anymore except when he is boosting.

The design we currently have is just too cookie cutter. It has no edge to it at all unlike how the classic and adventure designs had more personality.

bring back 06 model

@fazelfarrokhi1998

Жыл бұрын

Yes right good

@eliasferrercano4984

Жыл бұрын

That is the BEST Sonic model

I would not mind seeing the sonic cast having new designs

This is what I've been saying, man, the current models are already very stale and somehow, whether it's the rig or the animators, they don't use it to their full potential (Frontiers was a bit of a step-up from Forces but there's still plenty of stale shots, or they keep using Sonic's eyelids for expressions more than his eyebrows). There's gotta be a change, not only for the Sonic models but for the worlds as well, Lost World was cartoony, Forces was a bit of a combo of semi-realism & cartoonyness and Frontiers is borderline semi-realistic again which made it jarring to see random springs and flying rails on top of random terrain.

In terms of chi, the current sonic design goes even further back to shadow the hedgehog in 2004, the intro cinematic for that game had the current design

Finally, someone understands why Sonic's modern design really shined in only Unleashed and became lesser after each game afterwards.

3:24 *COCKLEY INVITING?!* Nice one man

2:35 HOLY CRAP A ONE PIECE REFERENCE LUKE YOU GENIUS

Just do longer quills, and a CGI Modern Sonic look. That’s my favorite look.

You know who I think I needs a new redesign is amy ngl

the modern sonic model always looks good when Marza personally animates it, like in Sonic Unleashed and night of the werehog. As soon as it falls to in house workers, suddenly he is much stiffer and less expressive, which is why sonic started to look worse as early as Sonic Colors. You know what you're talking about though, especially zeroing on on Uekawa's design being the ideal that ought to be worked towards. The Secret Rings/Black Knight Model i feel deserves more credit than it gets, as it's basically a higher poly version of the Heroes model.

Had to give you props great video and editing

Yo dude! I really love your videos! There truly amazing and I see you going places! If I were you I’d try making longer videos. Like if you can 10 mins plus. These videos are great, and I feel myself always wanting more after 5 minutes when there up. It’s not a knock at you because you do an amazing job, but I think it would really benifit it you.

@LukeStation

Жыл бұрын

I'll think about it!

@thefastcommenter7774

Жыл бұрын

Hmm

Im tired of the extrem big hands and feet, it looks ridiculous especially on amy

Good video! Can we get this guy to 2K subscribers?

@donchii9538

Жыл бұрын

Thats what i wanted to say 😊

I feel like they can go off of heroes sonic and build off of that, keeping sonic short stumpy body or maybe sa dx sonic, really either or. But obviously don't make heroes sonic look so shiny. I'd prefer the nice shade of blue with a cool texture that frontiers has. I feel like team Sonic racing tried, which alot and I mean alot of people over look. They made modern sonic look better but could use some more work.

NO HE DOES NOT, it’s ok current Sonic design, you’re good enough for me…

I think Sonic’s design peaked in ‘95 with the release of Sonic Labyrinth. When’s the Labyrinth review, Luke?

I totally agree !! Thanks for the work on this video man ! U got a sub 🙏🏻

My man really dissed sonic 3D blast I see somebody doesn’t have any taste smh

kid, you're going places..subbed!

The movie design is perfect. Two seperate eyes, blue arms, realistic quills yet cartoonish. Perfect.

@clawcakes2

10 ай бұрын

this take is hotter than the sun

@CuteRedPanda64

9 ай бұрын

I fully agree with you.

this video is literally so peak, u deserve more views my brotha

@thefudgway

Жыл бұрын

can’t forget subs and likes too, u underrated fr

DAMN this vid is rlly entertaining and well made gj

ANOTHER GOOD BANGER LUKE

I prefer Adventure style Sonic. Like, for example, Amy's hairstyle (quills) back in adventure era looked shorter in the back and longer in the front and i LOVED that. Now her hair just looks generic.

Riders Sonic: *Am I a joke to you?*

Slightly longer quills, thicker eyebrows and no elbows or knees would go a long way.

Adventure and modern sonic are not the same and they are also the same. It’s more confusing than it should be.

Sonic needs his longer quills back and he needs to be dark blue again or just make a model that's like generations or Unleashed

@bluefire9285

Жыл бұрын

He is literally already a dark blue in frontiers

@jasonblack2477

Жыл бұрын

@@bluefire9285 mhh not really he looks like in forces

@FighterBro48

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonblack2477 Sonic does have a darker blue in Frontiers. Tf you on

@yay29823

Жыл бұрын

@@FighterBro48 Yes, o It's darker then it is in forces, but it's not enough

@kaosagamerreal

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonblack2477 nah he's a darker blue

Sonic adventure looks with 3d animation. Would be amazing.

The Sonic model you put in the Thumbnail is perfect to me. I wish the model looked like that in the actual games

my ideal design is: generations length legs, frontiers textures and spine length, and movie sonic shoes

@purplebruh947

Жыл бұрын

respect for the short quills, king

@Swaloo

Жыл бұрын

pbs.twimg.com/media/FRt64bcXMAA7CT4.jpg aye ya dropped this

I agree. He does need a new design .

Perfect example i Hope Sonic Team made New model with details combining of All Sonic designs

If the characters ever got redesigns, be cool if Amy looked more like Madonna. Note: I mean the character in the franchise's concept art.

I think if you try and use Hesse's design and utilize the propertions of Sonic 06 right, then you got a really good design. I like it when Sonic doesn't appear like a big head with weird arm and leg porportions which the past few games kinda did. Sonic 06 added a little bit of age to Sonic, and all it needed was to add more charm to it

@tek3576

Жыл бұрын

Nah the proportions of the 06 design sucks. Even if you try to make it look more cartoony it'll look jarring.

@Brianycus

Жыл бұрын

@@tek3576 The proportions actually work when you look at Sonic Prime's model, and by extension Boom.

They took that urban flare from Sonic,

Yuji uekawa sonic in a 3d model would be perfect

Sonic prime is actually canon thats all you need to know.

Give him 06 type arms, Boom or Toei esc quills and a face more similar to the Heroes artstyle and I think that it will look good

@fazelfarrokhi1998

Жыл бұрын

Good 06 sonic idea and nice long quill idea

Yeah they should go with something that allows for more fluid animation

Sonic's Best looks in cgi are confined to the pre rendered opening cutscene of unleashed and Sonic Prime! Otherwise he looks unable for emoting anything other than a permenant scowl!

I want Sonic’s game design to take after the movie design more. Giving him and Amy fur colored arms and making their hand and feet smaller.

The best was SA2 model. The depressions under his eyes, the skinny pianist hands, long legs, the face that even unanimated looked like he acknowledged things around him.

Honestly, I agree, I want a model that echoes the adventure style The 2011 sonic renders tell me that he's voiced by an old dude, while the adventure model, model in the thumbnail, and heroes model tell me that this cartoony little bugger is rad and on an adventure to save his friends

Disagree-ish, I think his design is pretty great. I'm welcome to new designs (I was a Sonic BOOM enjoyer, I think everyone except Knuckles looked incredible there) but I don't think they're necessary at all, especially on the main timeline. What I do want to change (which is why I said disagree-ish) are the shoes. I'm sorry but his default shoes kinda suck, they look outdated artistically, they feel old and not in the good way and their simplicity does them harm, they're just ugly all around. I played Frontiers with his soap shoes and I felt undescribably cool, they should either make them the default ones in the future or create new ones that lool cool (like they did for the SMEU Sonic and his Puma shoes).

1:28-2:20 I 100% agree the only thing I hated about Sonic Frontiers was 1. Sonic was kind of slow 2. His spikes/quills were incredibly short

@Electrical010

Жыл бұрын

@SfP2xxx Have you been living under a rock? Morio kishimoto himself has been responding to feedback from FANS. Even he wants to upgrade the model for the next game. So yeah luck is on our side.

Ok so I call this misleading, why under description is says SONIC FRONTIERS, when SONIC FRONTIERS IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED HERE !!!! I mean you could have mentioned the desing, which looks really good and one of the best designs in my opinion.....

@jasonblack2477

9 ай бұрын

Frontiers has the forces model😂

It's weird, too, cause it's not like Sonic can't be designed differently. Just look at how he’s drawn in the *IDW* comics. Though emulating that design into the games may be difficult, it would be better than what we have now.

@TechBlade9000

Жыл бұрын

IDW Sonic is just the modern Sonic model though, like they're deliberetly trying to look like the models Except Mauro that one time in issue 51 where he said "Nah Sonic X model sheet time"

At least boom tried to do some new

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I thought that same idea to his design and no one ever brought it up.

4:15 - WOW, I'd never seen that model before! Looks incredible! IMO the Adventure games were the peak of Sonic's design.

i feel adam bryces thomas' idw sonic is more consistent with the in-game models and with a cool enough artstyle, people always say uekawa sonic is perfect, but i think it's a little too radical with the specific artworks everyone uses, those being the adventure and such.

Nah SEGA just needs to stop using the same fucking render for every game.

What if I told you that there was an in-game Sonic model that seemed like it evolved from the Heroes model, and it was overlooked by everyone?

I like Uekawa's Sonic but in 3D, it feels limited to a certain artstyle which is a more Graffiti and cel shaded look while Sega likes to have a more fantastical but more realistic look to the games. It's just not feasible for a AAA 3D Sonic game in 2022. They just need to make a new model that takes certain elements from Uekawa's art like the eyes flowing into the muzzle, the Heroes color pallette and the proportions but keep that Pixar styled look for the model. Essentially, an in-between like Gryz's model, BlueParadoxYT's or my favorite being LixePrototype's Uekawa Sonic model

@tek3576

Жыл бұрын

Uekawa's style hasn't been the adventure style in a long time. His current Sonic style is a lot more older looking and angular, with his muzzle not flowing in certain artwork. If they made a modern Uekawa model it would look way different

Just make the current model look like sega superstars, it fixes all of the problems.

I think it's the animation that's gotten worse, rather than the model.

@Mattsuki

Жыл бұрын

4:16 that model but for a Sonic Heroes remaster would be 🔥

I want the SA design philosophy back Something about those and CD's designs just look... right.

About Uekawa's designs, those are all the much better during the Dreamcast's "Radical" era -- a time period where Sonic was all about exuding a "cool" abstracted Hip Hop like vibe, very much in line with Jet Set Radio. Those designs often featured odd angles and exaggerated proportions, with nods to Skater culture and "fish eye" lens type camera (used a lot by that scene in the 90s/00s) One other thing is that I think Sonic would benefit from having its promotional artwork be a little separate from its in-game models. And with this I mean that the artwork would be better off by using stylish semi-impressionist takes on the character, while the 3D in game model would be a bit more "sober" (similarly to how it happened with SA2 -- which btw, in its DC incarnation features some of the best 3D models the franchise has seen to date, in terms of stylishness, proportions and character)

Finally someone said it, I hope we will see some changes.

I think the Sonic 06 and/or the Sonic Unleashed model looks best.

They predicted it.

Agree with everything except complimenting Heroes and Oreo’s models. Heroes characters look like they’re made out of plastic and so does Oreo’s last render to a lesser extent. The shininess of the latter screams outdated CGI. And while I’d be interested in a game with that old school CGI look, (seriously why hasn’t anyone tried it??) it’s not attractive to a general audience. You want your promotional 3D art to look fancy and technologically advanced. If not you end up looking behind the times or poor.