Sith: "We may be dark lords, bent on ruling the galaxy, but even we wouldn't stoop so low as to conscript children to fight our wars" (glares at Jedi)

@aster4jaden

Жыл бұрын

I imagine a Light Side Sith Inquisitor saying this in SWOTOR to a Jedi or a Dark Side to fuck with them.

@hadesflame9342

Жыл бұрын

​@@aster4jadenI would do that 😂

@dream6562

Жыл бұрын

Nah, sith don't have the time to train children

@jotheunissen9274

Жыл бұрын

@@dream6562 Which is why they let the Jedi babysit and teach them the basic and then the Sith corrupt the younglings

@thegreygoblin5165

Жыл бұрын

@@aster4jaden love it

Here is my take: Sith don't train infants because infants have not yet had any traumatic experiences and ambition for revenge that they could channel into power. The kids would grow up evil, sure, but wouldn't be as powerful because of the lack of said experiences. If anything their anger would be towards their sith master and the sith master wouldn't want the hate to be towards them but instead towards a common enemy. If a sith master approach a teen filled with anger and vengeance, he could exploit the apprentice and appear as a savior and solution in their eyes. Then the hate would not be towards the master but the Jedi. Basically what Palpatine did to Anakin.

@taetrrtot6205

Жыл бұрын

Hell throw them into the battlefield and the ones that survive would have all the trauma they'd need🤷🏾‍♂️

@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy

Жыл бұрын

That's what the video said.

@PeepoFrog

Жыл бұрын

@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy I commented before i watched the video.

@lordoffaiyum9727

Жыл бұрын

Only Bane trained a child. No other sith.

@Trash2000s

Жыл бұрын

@@PeepoFroghow can you give your take before watching! You specifically said it was your take on the comment

The Sith do not merely want their apprentices to have suffered the traumas of life. The Sith want apprentices that have or will overcome the traumas of life, a mark of power.

@Mr.DirtNasty

Жыл бұрын

I have to respectfully disagree. IMO the sith don’t want their apprentices to overcome the traumas of life because that’s where the derive their power from in the dark side, they need to hold on to their trauma and fear to channel it into the darkside and they can grow in power to what ever their individual potential is, and that’s even if their master allows them too before they are discarded away or die too soon. If the sith overcame their fears and traumas then they would become weaker in the dark side, hence part of the reason aniken/Vader got waxed cuz he was conflicted and couldn’t fully engulf him self in the rage.

@ajh364

Жыл бұрын

Ya bro that sounds more like the Jedi. To let go of everything. The sith harness their emotions to fuel their anger.

@archades115

Жыл бұрын

How the Sith overcome the traumas of life is very different from the Jedi. The Jedi let it go, become at peace with it. Whereas the Sith embrace it, and it no longer cripples them.

@Mr.DirtNasty

Жыл бұрын

@@archades115 if the sith overcome their trama in life how do they embrace it? To embrace it you would be actively working though the trama to find peace. Once it’s overcome where do they draw power from if they are at peace? The Sith need to be crippled to have something to lean on so they can tap into the darkside through emotions. If anything the sith embrace their trama and stop there and hold on to the fear hate anger rage all that because that’s where they can be the most powerful.

@archades115

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr.DirtNasty Think about Darth Bane, his story, and others like him. Then contrast them to... Say... Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, Asajj Ventress, and others like them.

Another example is Starkiller. Vader was awful to him but Marek knew nothing else, seemingly too young to formulate memories of his parents. He didn’t buck until he met Kota and developed feelings for Juno. It’s better to get them older. They hate the world, but now you give them the tools to do something about it. That’s probably what made Luke’s new Jedi so powerful

@euminkong

Жыл бұрын

Dooku too old

@rianmacdonald9454

Жыл бұрын

''They hate the world, but now you give them the tools to do something about it. '' - you have no idea how relevant that statement is, ability to act is all that stands in the way.

@efxnews4776

11 ай бұрын

@@rianmacdonald9454 kids make everything more complicate for the sith... kids require actual care and love, things that the sith are not very good, at. Can't have an evil monster, if this monster harbor love in it's heart.

@MikeEHY

11 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure it is Rey who makes, “Luke’s Jedi so powerful.” Well as we know, screw Luke, because he didn’t have any powerful Jedi. It is Rey who makes Rey’s Jedi more powerful than Luke ever could…. ….

@lordchaos3090

11 ай бұрын

@@MikeEHY [cough cough] Legends Luke is better [cough cough]

The Sith want developed emotions, Jedi want no emotions. So, from a certain point of view, it all makes sense. \m/

@zeewars6851

Жыл бұрын

A certain point of view?

@sunixjester

Жыл бұрын

@@zeewars6851depends, do you have the high ground?

@lordoffaiyum9727

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Bane trained a child though. Exception to the rule.

@decepticonxhunter4850

Жыл бұрын

The Jedi don't believe in ridding themselves of emotions. They believe that one's emotions are to be mastered so it can't master them. The idea that the Jedi philosophy is based on ridding one's self of emotion has no factual basis, considering Anakin told Padme that the Jedi's philosophy is based on love and compassion for other life forms.

@Gerilyn2003

11 ай бұрын

@@decepticonxhunter4850 But it's love and compassion in a remote, non-individual way. NOT mother-to-child or spouse-to-spouse; but "benevolent deity" to poor masses kind of way.

Galen Marek is a perfect example of what happens when you raise someone in darkness....the first time they get a taste of the light, they're hooked. When someone's only ever known pain, fear, hate and abuse it can be hard to get through all that...but once you do they become a completely new person. Still damaged of course, but nothing like they used to be. It doesn't usually work the other way. People raised to be good and decent don't suddenly get a taste of inflicting pain and fear and become addicted immediately. Not unless they were intrinsically broken from the start, and one of the main reasons Jedi train young is specifically to account for that.

@rianmacdonald9454

Жыл бұрын

interesting point, I think a well made point as well.

@LS1056

11 ай бұрын

I think it shows that force users will be interested in the other side. Like jedi be interested in the sith because of the limiters being gone, passion, will to bend the force and it's an addiction. Same to sith, they would show an act of good and become interested in doing more since the feeling comes. Grey jedi be the way

@TheCrimsonRevenger

11 ай бұрын

@@LS1056 Eh, no. Grey Jedi is the lie that Soon-to-Be Sith tell themselves so they can keep pretending that they can have their cake and eat it too. Grey Jedi are like those really simple minded girls who believe you when you say "C'mon baby, just the tip". Like I said initially, no...Jedi don't have an interest in the dark side. Nobody raised to be decent is going to get their first taste of murdering/torturing/violating another person(which is pretty much what you're doing to the Force itself when you use it in a Dark way) and say "Oh yeah, gimme more" unless they were already born with that particular screw thoroughly loosened. And that's a big part of what the Jedi try to screen out by wanting to get their pupils young. Mind you I actually do think they should take older pupils too, but I understand the rational logic behind why they prefer younger students and it's sound logic. People raised in Light might have a curiosity for the Dark, but that's about it unless they were already born broken. And you can pretty easily dispel that curiosity with the right teaching. But someone raised in Darkness will crave Light like a junkie once they get a real taste of it.

@Apathy293

11 ай бұрын

I think you pretty much nailed it with this one. Starkiller "fell" to the light because it was something he had never known: He idealized it, "the brave rebellion", because he didn't know enough about it to fully understand that it had it's downsides as well. To him, all it was was everything he had never known but always wanted. Same with Jedi falling to the dark side. They don't understand the suffering, the solitude and paranoia, the all consuming rage that they would have to endure as Sith. They only know that things like passion, glory, and greed are allowed by the dark side, things they had seen as Jedi from the outside in. A Sith who had a life before their training is less likely to turn to the light because they usually underwent some kind of trauma or loss. Because of their past suffering they believed virtuous things to be fleeting, fickle, and not worth risking your own station or power for. Lots of them tried being good, upstanding members of society and it got them nowhere, if not bit them in the butt. Why try being good ever again?

They deemed anakin a nine year old child too dangerous to train in the force Me: well they weren't wrong

@havco501st7

Жыл бұрын

But a 18 year old Kota in a war torn planet is a green light

Ironically, the traits that make children a terrible choice to raise into Sith Lords makes them the ideal choice to become Sith assassins and agents since their loyalty would be unquestionable. Starkiller was fanatically loyal to Vader up until the moment Vader betrayed him.

Bane taught Zannah patience and I would say she was almost if not more patient then Bane, she knew she would have to kill him eventually and for the most of the time he had the Orbalisks , she knew killing him would prove to be more difficult then she thought, she knew she had to play the long game and she did, only when Bane starting looking for another apprentice she had to speed up her process. I do think she had a small attachment to Bane but I dint believe it was enough to keep her from surpassing him

Zannah was planning to kill bane by the time he started looking for another apprentice, she was being cautious

@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy

Жыл бұрын

How?

@jakealter5504

Жыл бұрын

@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy by not acting until she determined if bane’s hand spasms were real or a feint. She did decide that her mission to doan would be her last mission for bane. She knew that he was starting to doubt her and decided to act. It’s literally in the first part of dynasty of evil. Another factor was that she hadn’t fully figured out how she would confront him and because of that she messed up during their first fight due to her trying to fight him with physical combat despite being a more defensive duelist. Their second duel went better since she played to her own strengths (sorcery) and used the environment to her advantage by channeling the dark side presence of ambria

@joshuaquinn4201

Жыл бұрын

​@@jakealter5504​​Sorry but Zannah was a fool, a coward, and quite simply incapable of being a good successor. Bane should have won and helped Cognus avoid the flaws he made with allowing Zannah to wait so long in challenging him. Rather than two darks lords fighting at the height of their power Zannah set up the rule of two so it was doomed to fail as we saw with Sidious and Vader

@jakealter5504

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuaquinn4201 that’s not exactly true since both bane and zannah were at the height of their powers at the time of their battle, it was later generations of the rule of two that did as you said but it started before palpatine became a Sith. It wasn’t the fault of either bane or zannah

@joshuaquinn4201

Жыл бұрын

@@jakealter5504 Have to disagree. In the books it actually goes into detail about Bane's power and his body due to the orbalisks and using the dark side for so many years. If Bane never had the parasites then maybe that could be true but after nearly being killed by them his body was weaker and not quite at the peak of his power. Which along with the spasms in his hand allowed Zannah the opportunity to kill him but in my opinion she only really tired to challenge him and claim the title once she knew he was seeking the key to immortality

Yeah it's weird how the Jedi chose indoctrination as apposed to allowing the nature of the individual to make itself known , no wonder so many fell to the dark side

@taetrrtot6205

Жыл бұрын

Well attachment is against the Jedi way individualism leads to lot of attachments which makes prioritizing harder. Although attachment is inevitable so the Jedi never had any skill in prioritizing to begin with I think that's the real issue

@TypicalidiotGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@taetrrtot6205 I completely agree.. avoiding any emotional response will , later in life, more than likely surface one way or another

@Brukner841

Жыл бұрын

@@TypicalidiotGuy it's such a cool analogy for the Jungian shadow.

@TypicalidiotGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@almightyproductions9657 well that's 21 Jedi masters not all who turned to the dark side

@rianmacdonald9454

Жыл бұрын

SPOT ON. I agree, let them develop, let their minds take shape, let the personality come through - then choose whether to train them or not. Like you said, how many would that of stopped from turning to the dark. Darkness lies in all of us, but only through adult hood do you fully learn to control it, once they have shown they can control the darkness, then they can be trained. Balance in the force, is to be in the person, light and dark together under the control of a strong mind. Only a weak mind has to choose either light or dark, a strong mind can walk both paths together and use both, without falling to either - too much good or too much bad are equally destructive - too much good stops you from acting, too much bad means you act to quickly.

Uh, you're incorrect on Zannah having no intention to kill Darth Bane until he began looking for another apprentice. I own the Darth Bane trilogy so I would know. Zannah was reluctant of being drawn into a trap when she noticed Bane's hand trembling. But she had already made plans when she was leaving to go to the mining world to investigate the cause of a Jedi's death that that mission would be the last one she ever took for her master. She even came close to killing him BEFORE he took Cognus as an apprentice. It was even said in the Rule of Two that she did NOT view him as a father figure despite the fact he raised her.

You are wrong about Zannah. She refused to challenge Bane because she believed he was trying to trick her into facing him too early (his hand tremors being seen as a fake tell).

@vannieuwenbergwilliam7792

11 ай бұрын

She's a smart Sith, she doesn't want to fall for a cheap trick. Also with the Orbalisk armor Bane was a tank, but after recovering from its' removal, he became a faster glass cannon since his movement wasn't impaired anymore, and his style was very oppressive, while Zannah was more of a caster, summoner, illusionist type of fighter, so his style was very troublesome for her to face ill prepared. Zannah is all about preparation, she's not the type to rush head on in a fight and she only ever strikes when she gets a clear opportunity, as her fight against her cousin and another Jedi apprentice showed in book 2. She didn't try to get into their guard or to make a power move, she manipulated them into getting in each other's way until it gave her a striking opportunity. And let's not forget that all these Jedi started the fight enhanced by Jedi meditation buff while Zannah and Bane didn't have anyone to buff them, without orbalisk armor Bane would have lost his fight and Zannah wouldn't be able to fight so many enemies. Also book 2 Zannah was in her late teens, early adulthood. She was still an apprentice yet played a major role in winning a 2v5 fight against 2 apprentices and 3 master Jedi. Book 3 Zannah was in her late 20s IIRC and had been absorbed in her studies of Sith sorcery and in furthering the Plan ever since the fight in book 2, so she wasn't really ready to fight Bane until the very end of the book. She was a Sith nerd and had to move from her library to fight a death battle against the mad man who had raised her since she was 11. One can understand that she wasn't exactly running into this fight.

Such a fascinating (and logical) explanation for the counterintuitive idea that the good guys only recruit very young and the villains don’t

Funny how Lucas basically made the Jedi an amalgamation of every negative aspect of fringe cults in an attempt to make us see them as the ultimate good.

@hebercluff1665

Жыл бұрын

Not true. He designed them to be like a cult... But the whole point of a Prequel story is for everything to fall apart. The Sith were allowed to triumph because the Jedi had grown frail and misguided. Their organization was written to be flawed.

@seekingabsolution1907

11 ай бұрын

​@@hebercluff1665also Jedi are magic space cops so. You know, AJAB I guess.

@slitherthewizardofwither6959

11 ай бұрын

@@hebercluff1665 like what flaws? I mean they seem to be pretty correct and kept things running a float for a thousand years, The only reason I see them failing is things they couldn't control with palpatine And I guess letting Anakin become a Jedi despite their better judgment.

@hebercluff1665

11 ай бұрын

@@slitherthewizardofwither6959 first, they'd grown complacent and arrogant. They kept on insisting that the Sith could never return, and that they'd definitely foresee any problem that popped up. Second problem is that they had grown so afraid of the dark side that they wouldn't talk about it with their padwans. It was such a scary subject that they became unable to deal with natural temptations. Instead of teaching purple to be mature with their feelings, their idea was to shut their feelings away like psychopaths. That kind of mentality is an extremely unhealthy way to deal with the darkness that exists within all of us. Another problem is that they had lost sight of what their real purpose was. Instead of following the will of the force, they got wrapped up in politics and the republic. They became loyal to the nation, not the force.

@slitherthewizardofwither6959

11 ай бұрын

@@hebercluff1665 @hebercluff1665 they didn't keep insisting that the sith could never return they knew they would return one day. That's why they had the prophecy They just met qui-gon's conclusion with skepticism. And rightfully so after a thousand years of peace it's rather strange that they would appear now with ki-adi-mundi letting out a shock statement. And Mace windu literally going "hmmm, I believe we would know if they returned" which means he's not saying it's at all impossible he's just saying that the sith have never been exactly subtle. Especially with their machinations (that the jedi know about at least) either way they still discovered it was true that they have returned in the end. once they were presented with hard evidence Also the Jedi talk about the dark side with their padawans all the time it's the number one thing they warn their students about even as a youngling they're taught the dangers of the dark side. And they don't fear it they fear the consequences they could have if it takes root inside which usually ends up with galactic genocides. Jedi were taught to handle temptation pretty well it's actually their whole stick so I don't know where you got they weren't able to handle them natural temptations from. The Jedi don't teach people to shut their feelings out, they actually teach their Jedi how to handle them in a really mature way. For strong negative feelings you have to contextualize them, understand these negative feelings and aspects of yourself and let them go and most definitely don't let them control you instead control your emotions. And because of how they handled that dark side they've only had a couple dozen Darksiders throughout their thousand years. Which shows how effective it is, it may be a little extreme for the average non force-user to be constantly vigilant over their own self control and maturity. But for a Jedi and makes perfect sense as every force-sensitive could cause events that leads to the deaths of trillions. And Jedi is unable to control their darker aspects or handle their passions they're allowed to freely leave the order with some compensation. This way they could discover themselves on their own without the political power and responsibilities of a Jedi. It was in the interest of the Jedi and the force for them to help the Republic as the stability and peace and brought did far more good than bad. And the Jedi were a separate entity which could deny doing something for the Republic if it went against their principles.

Yes taking darth maul in a such Yong age was a mistake since maul saw sidius kinda like father and admired him even though sidius didn't technically raise him

The one thing that’s always bothered me about the rule of 2 is that the master raises an apprentice they know will kill them. Seems counter to sith mentioned to raise their own downfall since sith are all about their own power & ambition

@Vskage65

Жыл бұрын

You should make a clear distinction between Sith and Banite Sith.The Rule Of Two Sith(Banite Sith) are all about training a more powerful apprentice so that with each generation,they becole more powerful.Unlike the ancient Sith,the banite Sith have a twisted selflessness .They merely care about executing the Sith grand plan and unbalancing the force.Banite Sith arent Sith because of themselves.They are sith so that the future sith might rule the galaxy and wipe out the jedi

@jakeolenickii1349

Жыл бұрын

That’s why the rule doesn’t work. The sith were so obsessed with outdoing each other, that it prevented them from completely destroying their common enemy. Plus they tend to have an obsession with having as few members as possible to saturate their own ego and lust for power. However, a system like that is fragile and isn’t very encouraging. Looks good on paper, doesn’t work as well once carried out through life.

@Vskage65

Жыл бұрын

@@jakeolenickii1349 Not true lol,the reason why having few members is better is because the dark side would be more powerful in these 2 people.Why have an army of 10.000 weak sith warriors who will end up killing each other if you can have 2 well trained and intelligent sith lords disguised as polititicians,engineers or doctors who can manipulate the galaxy on a greater scale without having to constantly fight??? Every single banite sith is more powerful than any sith lord that came before.Darth Tenebrous didnt need to fight yet was stated to be a master of lightsaber combat.Darth Plagueis being the son of a rich banking clan member literally paid for the clone army.An army of millions of soldiers whom destroyed the jedi order.They werent even force sensitive.Political and economical power is just as important as the powers of the dark side.Plagueis funded an army that wiped out the jedi,something that 10 000 sith of the past couldnt do.Plagueis also didnt have any financial issues.It just shows that the Sith need more intelligence than numbers and mass murderous sith rituals to take over the galaxy

@grimlord3181

Жыл бұрын

@@Vskage65 Then I guess Palpatine doesn't count as a Banite Sith.

@Vskage65

Жыл бұрын

@@grimlord3181 He is the ultimate banite Sith.He executed the sith grand plan

I'm surprised we didn't talk about galen marrak. Granted, he's Legends continuity, but you've never strayed from bringing Legends up like that before. The entire time I watched this video, I was thinking of Galen. Maybe do a part 2 to supplement this subject with Galen in mind?

Jedi Order: "Why are so many of our order falling to the Darkside? Fallen Jedi: "You betrayed my trust and failed to protect people, including but not limited to people i cared about. You didnt even try to save them because you saw them as "not of the bigger picture". Jedi Order: "No that can't be it. You just had too many attachments when you came to us. Lets start training them younger so they can't remember their families or where they came from. Fallen Jedi:"......" * *Force Lightning* *

Sith just don't want to deal with child support, or PTA meetings. That latter half I can agree with. Though now the mental image of a Sith and a child sitting with a teacher is hilarious. Sith: "So what did she do now?" Teacher: "Well her reading skills are good, she's doing great in gym, but she did force choke a kid in lunch today." Kid: "He stole my chicken nuggies." Sith: "That's great progress kiddo!" Teacher: "NO, no look we talked about this right? Please don't encourage this."

Your forgetting that Darth Bane began training his apprentice Darth Zanna when she was only about 8 years old, with her first lesson being to find her way to the planet he was going to by any means necessary.

I think the fact that Jedi kept falling anyway proves that the Jedi were, once again, wrong. They should have taught their padawans to manage their emotions and attachments, not tried to make sure they had as little as possible. They made it far too easy for them to fall. I think you're spot on for both Jedi and Sith.

@dawidschaffrath8426

Ай бұрын

Yeah… like they should with Choosen one/Anakin by showing him how to control his emotions instead of suppressing them 🙂

If they raised and traumatized children from young, they could start to feel hatred for not only their master, which itself isn't so big problem, but even against system that created them, Siths. Dark side should be solution for them, way to become stronger, immortal and reality changing, not problem that is needed to be changed! Most importantly, dark side must be chosen!

Unrelated to the video but I was just thinking when he started talking about the sith of old. We’ve talked a lot about Revan but there is still one individual who I think could use some recognition and is an actually pretty important character and wonder how they stack up to Revan. I’m referring to The Exile from Kotor 2

Zannah wasn’t complacent she was looking for her moment.

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Great video!

The Sith limit the training of there apprentice to keep them weaker then the master. If the apprentice is raised from birth then that force user will have more time to learn all the masters ways to overthrow him. A teenager and even adults think they know everything and by doing so they don't accept anything new. There growth becomes limited. Plus I agree that the trauma needed in order to fuel there hatred in order to turn to the darkside needs a primary source other than the master itself to keep the apprentice in line. Plus there's the problem what would occur if the the apprentice had no knowledge of ever not being sith and that would be the watering down of the force users abilities of the darkside. If being Sith is the only thing known in a apprentices life then the natural form of rebelian would to explore other aspects of using the force which would lead to straying from from the darkside.

To be a sith is a choice. Children can't make that choice with only a handful of exceptions. One must feel the pain/ rage of loss, betrayal and fear. And desire the power to not just overcome it, but conquar it. To drown In the darkness so deeply, it bleeds your very being dark. And only those growing into themselves or those looking to be more than themselves can make the choice.

Fascinating stuff!

This is great explanation. Makes perfect sense. Children had no trauma,experiences. They didn't experience life,gain experiences,good or bad. This is good. Video, I mean. May the Force be with you too. Have a great day too :)

The wise bot says the strong survives and the weak perish - megatron.

The way I see it the Sith are looking for those who are leaning to the dark side on their own, even better if they are jedi since they come with useful set of skills!

I mean... didn't Bane train Zannah in the darkside as a child?

Part of it could be that if you wait until the children are older, and able to understand, very few would choose the jedi path.

When the very angry faction has more honor than the supposed friendly side.

The Sith value Freedom and there for the choice to become Sith is more important to them then just those who would be raised to become Sith. The new reasons that are given are just ways to make the Sith evil and not another path that has any valid points.

Darth Bane train Zana before she reached puberty. But then again, she had already unleashed her powers out of pain and wrath at 2 Jedi, breaking their neck for mistaking her bouncer friends as a threat. So I guess Sith just know what mr Meseeks does, existence is pain. You just need to let it accumulate so that an apprentice will use it and/or crave power.

even the Sith understand "leave the kids alone"

Idk tho i think the problem may be more with war. Bc i think that only the ones most rooted in the light and strongest resistance to the dark could be in war very long and even then extended time in war could still lead them to the dark as many fell thru being bathed in the darkness of war. Bc its the hardest thing to win and stay winning if you never finish off your opponents.

In legends the ancient Sith empires had access to humdreds of thousands of children. These children grew up in a dark warrior society, one where cunning not just brutal fighting was rewarded. After the first Empires defeat by the Jedi and Early Republic, much of their civilization had fallen and these young children became unavailable to the future sith empires often forged from Jedi Turned either by Sith Spirits or the Dark knowledge of Sith holocrons. They would go on to turn and train anyone with force connections in brutal sometimes even fatal ways. But by the end of the old republic era and the battle of Ruusan, and the survival of Darth bame and the Rule of 2, It became more pragmatic to often find and recruit older beings with combat skills already developed, or access to resources that could be passed down through successive generations of Sith lords simce having lost access to entire planets and the resources that interplanetary empires could amass. Thus the Sith in hiding looked to older individuals who were force sensitive, Warriors, Nobles, Even Criminals with dark behind the scenes power became good targets for unwitting allies or even potential apprentices. Such individuals often had rivals they wished to eliminate. A bargain struck between a newly singular sith lord and say a small time force sensitive assassin within a criminal organization could produce a fairly steady income, as well as a skilled and deadly apprentice. After darth bame having underworld contacts in criminal empires would be the easiest way to generate both income while remaining hidden from the jedi, as most systems did not employ jedi for standard criminal investigations. Even the Bounty Hunters guild, while technically a "legal" guild could provide enough cover and high value targets for such a sith willing to use their bounty hunting cover to also make assassinations for criminals or less than honorable nobles would generate a large income. The credits or even material goods could then be converted to say unique ships and droid trainers or trackers (as seen being used by maul in episode 1), or used to say fund a political campaign (for darth sidious in his senator disguise). So seeking older apprentices serves 2 purposes. 1 the apprentice has enough life experience to develop their own hatred for things, and potentially giving them either (2) resources to call on or potentially pass down to their apprentice, or combat skills that while maybe not on par with their new master are not something to scoff about (especially if recruiting from Assassins or bounty hunters), they may also have access to their own contacts or gear meaning less resources spent to train and equip their apprentice. To me these are all benefits to taking on older recruits. Less time training in combat means the master can focus on force usage. If the recruit already has access to their own weapons, ships, or other tech or can acquire them easily, thats less drain on the masters financial resources as well. And if the recruit has contacts in criminal and/or legitimate circles that they or the master can exploit thats just another bonus. Children may be moldable into anything but adults have access to much more.

It's actually very funny. Well, that is, everyone knows about the Sith rule of two and laughs at it. However, I would like to say that one of the many reasons why the Sith are constantly surviving and the dark side is always strong is the Jedi's approach to selecting apprentices. Well, that is, if you take a small child and initially teach him the ways of the dark / light side, then the problem will be that the child lives from birth in certain conditions and perceives them as stably neutral. That is, the Jedi from birth teach children the virtues of the light side and this does not allow them to fully come closer to understanding the light side, but when they fall out of these conditions, when the Jedi begins to work and complete missions, he experiences a storm of emotions, good and bad, and leads to an easier transition to the other side or leads to a manic desire to suppress emotions (which was seen every time the Jedi told Anakin to suppress emotions, they could not teach him to control them, since they themselves did not know how). Moreover, people who were sensitive to the force but not of the right age were more emotionally stable, and training among the Jedi would have benefited everyone. If an adult learns that he can control the minds of others, this may lead to bad consequences, but will not, since this Jedi ability is associated with the light side of the force, which means that this ability will be difficult to use for the sake of evil, the same applies to other abilities of the force . But if you refuse to train a person, then this will not make him forget about his abilities, he will simply go looking for other teachers and use his emotions as a catalyst. After a while, a bunch of force users should have appeared who would not tie themselves to the dark or light side of the force, or, as was shown in the Star Wars themselves, numerous factions and sects would have appeared in which different sides of the force were extolled. Accordingly, the relevance of the Jedi would simply begin to decline, since you could hire a private teacher or send the child to an organization that does not require the child to give up his former life.

The Jedi select you... you wander upon the sith and become captivated with it.

It's not attachments that the Jedi should teach against, it's the selfishness of attachment. Look at Anakin, he didn't give two shits what Padme would want only his own need to keep her alive, coming from not his love but his fear of being alone and HIS need to not feel the loss of a loved one. His fear, his pain, hell he lied to her about his feelings of wanting a "wise ruler" to make all the laws and decisions

@grimlord3181

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That is attachment in Star Wars.

@decepticonxhunter4850

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You have just defined what the Jedi and Sith defined as an attachment. Having attachments to ppl or a thing will naturally lead ppl to make bad decisions out of a desire to do whatever it takes to protect or save them. As Yoda told Anakin, attachment is the shadow of greed. Having no attachments allows a person to make decisions with a clear head.

There's a few things about the dark side I resonate with and the way that one becomes a sith makes much more sense and is more autonomous than becoming a Jedi

Sideous literally trained Maul from a young age lol. I understand that it isn't ideal and that he was undercover and all that jazz. But it is still funny to think about lol

I am only 3.26 minutes into this video so I don't know if you'll mentioned this, after what you've already said I doubt you will do that. There is another reason for why the Jedi "abducted" Force sensitive children with the blessing of the children's parents and family, protection. Remember the list in the Clone Wars series that Palpatine got his hands on, a list that had the names of many known Force sensitive children? I am pretty sure, I don't know this for a fact, that the families of Force sensitive children sought out the Jedi order to help with these children, there are so many reason for that other than just protection. Leia and Han had extreme difficulties with Ben as soon as he was born, he was dangerous because he held great power, a power he could not control because he was a baby. When these children get angry they can cause harm to others without intenting to do so. Raising children who hold no magical power is difficult enough. Imagien having a two year old toddler in a fit of anger, how would you control such a child, you couldn't unless you were Force sensitive yourself.

I had no idea Tenebrous pulled a Marty McFly, that's crazy.

Because of the Rule of 2, Sith can be extremely choosy. Why take in an infant and spend 15+ years raising them, unsure of their actual potential or temperament, when you can just select someone who is physically and mentally mature and their potential is actually manifest? And given that the Jedi reject anyone over a certain age, there's always a large number of potential apprentices out there - presumably the Sith use the Force to find the best candidates. Heck, the Sith have the simple luxury of just corrupting Jedi, or recruiting fallen Jedi. Someone who is disciplined and Force trained, who needs only learn of the power of the Dark Side.

Maul was really young when Palpatine started training him though.

I wonder. What would've happened has a Jedi found Darth Zana as a child right at the time those Republic troopers shot that forest creature.

@jakealter5504

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It was actually Jedi that shot the creature

@brokenbridge6316

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@@jakealter5504---How do you know that?

@jakealter5504

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@@brokenbridge6316 because I read the Darth bane trilogy, it happened at the end of path of destruction

@brokenbridge6316

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@@jakealter5504---Okay. Just thought I'd ask.

@jakealter5504

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@@brokenbridge6316 no problem

Separately on the Jedi, their effort to avoid turn coats ultimately made them weak. It is not strength to have never suffered, strength comes from overcoming suffering. Something Luke proved in RotJ. He did what no Jedi before him could and what no Sith believed was possible. He touched the dark side, and let it go. Partly because he wasn't brainwashed by the Dogmatic Jedi or the insane Sith. Both of whom mistook a psychological fact for a fact of the force. They created self fulfilling prophecy that ANY interaction with the dark side was corrupt. But balance and control are NOT created by never being angry, they are created by letting the emotion flow naturally and not letting it consume you. This is a hard skill to learn, most adults never master it; but going the opposite direction... is just as much of a fool's bet. Detachment from emotions is impossible, and being unused to dealing with them makes you vulnerable to them. Passion, love, anger, and even hate are normal parts of life you can not have balance without having experienced them to some degree and shunning them only makes them more powerful. Luke did not grow up shunning them, and Obi-Wan/Yoda were too busy teaching him the needed parts of being a Jedi to stop Vader to worry about the Dogma. So when his emotions were finally tapped into Luke was able to act like an adult and stop himself before doing something he might regret. Conversely Anakin wasnt able to because he believed that the moment he gave in he couldn't ever turn back. And like a rubber band stretched too far he snapped. He took his revenge on the Tuskin's too far because he didnt know how to step back and ask if thats what he really wanted to do or if he was just drunk on anger and pain. And then that knife in his back was left exposed for Sideous. So instead of taking responsibility for his own actions he just let it stew and blamed the dark side. "I did that because I touched the dark side. Because I'm weak." So when Sideous offered him power to protect himself from fear, Anakin was primed to think he had no choice. If Anakin had learned to deal with emotions like a human being, and had been able to express loss and regret, and all the emotions the Jedi forbid he wouldnt have over reacted and wouldnt have been so easy to manipulate to the Dark side. Luke did so he could basically say "LAWL, no. I got pissed, that doesn't make me evil and Im not going to let you manipulate my own self image with guilt over a bullshit "sin." I am in control of my own actions and master of my emotions. I wont be enslaved by them, and I wont let them enslave me to you, you creepy old pervert." Mental health, stronger then the dark side.

This video proves that it’s hard to be both a Jedi and Sith because the characters are just human and same for anyone of us in real life

6:10 - where can i get that printed into a picture.

about even darth bane, sure his formal training began when he was 25 but he grew up in a dark side environment as part of a sith empire even being a foot solider in it for a time. same with like savage opresss Also darth zannah was still a child. but still overall agree with it and their reasons for taking them at the ages they do.

You cannot break free if you were never chained

I actually think that the Sith were right. Taking a baby in would be harder for them in the dark side, and if they took a teen then they would have emotions that they can learn to hate.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO REVAN VS SIDIOUS

The concept of evil cannot be fully understood by children.

Vader if not injured would have been a perfect example since he had a Jedi live before and was an adult when he became a Sith Lord. He is still a good example but he power is limited due to his near death injuries on mustafar unfortunately.

anyone knows the name of the music at the beginning of the video?

Sometimes I find these videos a bit lacking. Tiny points analyzed far beyond their merit and rather too much energy to make the solutions seem overly grandiose. This though was a genuinely marvelous and insightful examination of what lays beyond the surface of the Sith, how they view and attempt to shape those who will come to embody their teachings and goals. Most enjoyable one of these in a while!

Okay, but what if you are able to heal your pain? Does that automatically make you a jedi?

But wasn’t Darth Zannah found by Darth Bane at a very young age? True, she did suffer severe trauma that early and already showed signs of a manipulative psychopathic character 🤔

high quality shows a replica of the inquisitor's lightsaber fidget spinner

the process of sith training actually makes more sense than the jedi way just taking in everyone no matter how sensitive at a young age training them with the belief they could be a great force for good in the galaxy and then one day they fail a test and guess what here ya go bud you get to be a librarian for the rest of your life...... if thats not a way to create resentment i don't know what is. at least the sith had the stance that if you suck you ain't worthy to start. and don't bother training them.

It’s definitely messed up the Jedi recruit children but the Star Wars galaxy is very dangerous and vast and a lot of the children will live better lives than if they stayed with their families. Also if Anakin skywalker if he was discovered and trained at a young age he likely wouldn’t have fallen to the dark side when manipulated by darth sidious but we wouldn’t have a good story would we.

Dark Side Code is pretty much general motivational speaking. Also, having a family is against the Jedi code. Hank Hill is pretty much a Sith Lord I’ll tell you what.

@dylansylvester4719

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Iirc sith didn't have families either but for different reasons.

@decepticonxhunter4850

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@@dylansylvester4719 Yes. Sith didn't generally encourage families and attachments either because it allowed one's enemies to use them as pawns in their schemes.

You missed two important points, I think. First of all, Sith value free will. A child raised to be evil won't be evil by choice, it will simply be all it had known. Second, wiser Sith know the lure of the Light Side, and what keeps their apprentices in the Dark is often the feeling of guilt and notion that they cannot be redeemed (e.g. like Vader). But to gain a guilt this deep one must betray all he held dear. However, a child raised to be evil from infancy has no feeling of guilt or anything like that. It only needs to be shown the Light and it might rebel against the Dark.

What is the background music?

a child can look you in the eye and scream that they hate you from the bottom of their heart, and mean it, then an hour latter ask for a snack and after you give them one say "thank you, i love you" and STILL mean it. children dont understand true hatred and rage, which is one reason they wait till they are an adult because atleast an adult who has never felt true hatred can understand what it is

Nothing teaches suffering like life.

Why would they? A child wouldn’t know suffering let alone understand it well enough to harness those feelings into power in the dark side of the force

Just saw this, not sure if mentioned before but jedi generally didn't or families so they looked for apprentice's younger to fill the void.??

Deep

“He’s too old.” And yet you’re just gonna let a kid with a higher midiclorian count than Yoda go and possibly become a Sith?

yo, you should add compression to your voice, its a little too low compared to most videos on yt, had to raise the volume from 15 to 30.

Thumbnail picture?

All Darth Sidious did was seek out force sensitive children. During the Clones Wars he tried and during the days of the Empire a great portion of his efforts were ordering Darth Vader and the Inquisitors hunted force sensitivity children. Darth Sidious had Jedi Master Jocasta Nu on the top of his list of Jedi to capture simply because she had knowledge of where more force sensitive children could be found. Darth Sidious long since broke that Sith rule. 😂

I thought they did in the EU books. So many different Sith had to have had different ideals how to pass the dark side

Background music??

I think itd be better if jedi only took older beings bc we are weakest to what we do not know which is why i think the dark siders wanted beings to know the light and have it crushed rather than never being exposed to it bc in that case if you are it can be way more enticing. Just as how if you have been thru pain suffering and loss it is much more likely that you wont want to experience that anymore or want anyone else to if you are empathetic but if you arent you would turn to the dark side or be a horibble jesi anyway.

I don't think the Sith strive to take an apprentice to take over just because Bane instructed them. There must be some manipulative or religious aspect to this. Perhaps some crumbs are dispersed throughout texts meant to increase one's power, or maybe Sith artifacts radiate such energy.

Playing to win vs. Playing not to lose

Darth Zannah was literally trained as a child.

Why didn’t Palpatine try to bring Thrawn to the dark side? Was Thrawn impervious to temptation?

It's actually funny, when the "heroic" order has so much 💩 in its roots. It's no wonder they eventually fell!

* Laughs in Arcann, Thexan and Vaylin

The One Sith must be the exception.

Who takes care of the younglings. The jedi sound like kidnappers 😂

wrong zannah did not become complacent with bane. she was going to kill him before finding out about another apprentice

Being a Sith is all about a life plagued by trauma, loss and strife, and children are, usually, innocent in that regard.

The thumbnail art is based on MissSinisterCosplay. You're welcome.

If you look into the the EU starkiller was taking in by vader & trained to be his personal assassin

@doomedbringer

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Yes but that’s the thing, assassin/agent, not a Sith Lord. Palpatine also kidnapped babies from the list of force sensitive kids to corrupt them and raise them to be Sith assassins

What about darth bane and darth Zana

@sunixjester

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A possible exception. Bane was literally building a new order after wiping out the old order, using a new philosophy.

Coz children are usually not evil.

@vikingsword3485

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LMFAO good one

@marcelberes469

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Look up the Nevada-tan case.

@spectre8_fulcrum

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@@marcelberes469 Look up the Moralo Eval case

this is true ... but with rarities attatched there were sith royalty there were sith born of a line trained from childhood but yes generally like to open students no they did not train children as a regular thing and even among the royal houses unless the shild was gifted and already using the force ... otherwise they would wait

Both sides thought they were right. Maybe the force is neither good or bad, it’s all the force, just depends how you use it. But after seeing the Mortis gods we know there are two sides. What side of the force we seek would have a direct influence on what we do. Some people are just evil and want to watch the world burn.

It higlights a deficit of the Jedi order. They were not anle to teach the redemptive ardour of love, which Luke Skywalker’s academy got rite, eh?

Hold on, let me ask Kira about this one...