Hey all, there’s a lot of back and forth in this comments section (so much for my final speech at the end) but to those who have left encouraging comments about the video or contributed to a civilized discussion, thank you so much!

@aldito7586

Жыл бұрын

Sorry. I didn't mean anything mean to anyone. I just don't like the way Roger Waters is treating his former bandmates.

@UserName_no1

Жыл бұрын

The parental squabble analogy is spot on. If it ends in a permanent separation it's up to the adults to act responsibly and heal any wounds, lest they fester. For the sake of the PF kiddies. Would've been helpful if the passing of Richard had made them realize what was important about what brought them together in the first place to create something so special as their music and the impact it had on the many fans they had...as a group.

@kevinohara2618

Жыл бұрын

@@aldito7586 and others dont like how waters is treated by gilmour, this is why we need to forget, forgive and enjoy. peace to all

@kevinohara2618

Жыл бұрын

@@UserName_no1 nicely said

@frogsterjonesiii6482

Жыл бұрын

Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall, their 2 best albums, basically were Roger Water's albums. He WAS Pink Floyd. They WEREN'T Pink Floyd without him.

There's no 'Team Roger" or "Team David". Both are absolutely brilliant, and they were at their best when they worked together. Pink Floyd, from Meddle to The Wall, is untouchable.

@Doormanswift

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have said this for years. Fact is they all, with the exception of Nick, had plenty to be culpable for.

@bennransom4784

Жыл бұрын

Spot on

@jozefmucha4730

Жыл бұрын

A two great strong personalities never will stay together...

@leolee5435

Жыл бұрын

I would include Live at Pompeii... such masterpiece.

@JimMorrison-ld2zh

Жыл бұрын

Not both, only David G is brilliant.Rog is tonedeaf and was always the least talented of the Floyd.

Gilmour said he would only play Echoes with Rick Wright. In a press release when David Gilmour announced he would be playing at the Pompeii ruins (after 45 years or so since the "Live at Pompeii" film), many fans were asking and begging him to play 'Echoes' there (as they did in 1972). He declined to. His reasoning was solid. He said that 'Echoes' (musically) was always intended to be a "musical conversation" between himself and Richard Wright. Since Rick had passed from cancer a few years prior, he added "regrettably, that's a conversation that can never happen again."

@homolupus1

3 ай бұрын

Anyone who has seen Echoes will understand. It was a dialogue between two leads.

@fredzep01

3 ай бұрын

That whole 70s Pompeii recording was a religious experience, and I can say Dave's playing was probably the most soulful I've ever heard, while Harrison's guitar gently wept, Dave's guitar soared into the heavens.

@suziederkins3310

2 ай бұрын

What I loved about Led Zeppelin was that when John Bonham passed, Robert Plant pretty much said, he could never perform with Led Zep without his drummer. Yes they did a one off, with Jason Bonham but he knew, no Bonzo, no Zeppelin

My daughter loves Pink Floyd. She attended a Roger Waters concert years ago. I asked her who'd she rather see, him or David? She replied "Mom, it doesn't matter. Even though they separated, their creativity still flows together. Their own contributions and legacies will always remain together. That's what makes them so unique."❤

@JTCurtisMusic

11 ай бұрын

That is beautiful! ❤

@MamaofaWrestler

11 ай бұрын

@@JTCurtisMusic Thank you!

@ruiteixeira6299

10 ай бұрын

No thats not true a PF sprit and soul came from RW, DG is just a good musician.

@tieukhavu8832

9 ай бұрын

@@MamaofaWrestler So cool ❤

The ending was just amazing. Whenever I listen to a Pink Floyd album, I simply focus on the music made by 5 fantastic men. I put all these arguments about who was responsible for the band’s success aside and just listen to some of the best songs and albums I’ve ever heard.

@Sandwich13455

Жыл бұрын

This will not do 😂

@Saman_English

Жыл бұрын

​@@Sandwich13455 CALL THE SCHOOL MASTAH !

@RockandRollWoman

Жыл бұрын

Words of wisdom. I haven't got time for the pain when I can find such joy in listening to the music.

@kevinmichael9482

Жыл бұрын

Well said! The fact their peak success occurred with founding five-members together is telling. The collective genius was more important than a single member, i.e., they shined brightest collectively.

@JOHNBANNON-ib3cj

11 ай бұрын

I WILL agree !~~

I don't care about the rifts between the band members, anything by all the band is music to me, I love all the Pink Floyd albums and all the solo stuff. All the members of the band past and present have their own talents, skills and qualities that made the Pink Floyd brand so successful. And I thank every member of Pink Floyd, for giving me hours upon hours of musical entertainment, with the band and all their solo albums.

Your conclusion to this segment was beautifully put. It’s sincerely heartbreaking to see fans replicate the schism between the band, when there’s really no need. Roger’s a brilliant lyricist, the other members of Floyd are brilliant musicians. In my opinion, they were best together, but moments of their respective brilliance absolutely shine through in all of their work. You can still like Floyd and Waters: you don’t have to take a side.

@jamesearly8518

Жыл бұрын

Hear hear! Well spoken!

@JimMorrison-ld2zh

Жыл бұрын

Rog got his lyrics from Syds notebooks.Almost every future lyric he came up with came from Syd.Very few people know this.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@JimMorrison-ld2zh and what is your source on this information?

@mikemace9644

Жыл бұрын

​@@JTCurtisMusic Sounds like rumors or assumption.

@markoer

Жыл бұрын

Great video. Some people just like to rehash rubbish rumours just to be polemic. Syd Barrett would have had to leave an entire encyclopaedia of notebooks to allow Roger to live off copying for decades… The “very few people know this” part is a typical sentence of conspiracy theorists. I guess know he is going to a Neil DeGrasse Tyson video to sentence about the Earth being flat…

There's some great tracks on Radio KAOS. I hated it at first, but after a few listens, it really grew on me. The 80s sound is really classic.

@andyjackson2901

Жыл бұрын

It’ll my favourite RW solo album. And the ‘expert’ that made this KZread video apparently hasn’t even listened to it all the way through. I don’t understand why people even make these videos. They should talk about something they know.

@yoshshmenge294

Жыл бұрын

I saw the Radio KAOS tour when he was in Toronto, saw Floyd the same summer at the CNE.

The story of Roger leaving Pink Floyd is honestly sad. Seeing him squabble with Dave after the music they made together is heartbreaking. It's sad but unfortunately there's people like that in the world. Not everyone is going to be someone who will address every need they see. There are people who destroy everything just so their egos can be satisfied. I'm just glad we got this out of the way, and we can re-focus on the music

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

Most of that was in the eighties though. I've never heard him say anyting about Dave since the nineties.

@6699230

Жыл бұрын

The killer is that the ego is never satisfied by all the destruction.

@YouChwb

Жыл бұрын

Most good bands have their differences, but Waters was the imbecile in all this as documented by himself. Waters for his own good was too philosophical in why he stood on a higher ivory tower than the rest of the band. For all we know, Roger might have encouraged Sid's ongoing drug use to be rid of him so as to pull the power game. Anyway, in my book, Waters can shag himself.

@thevoid99

Жыл бұрын

yeah but this time, it's roger just being an asshole with his views on the ukraine and his anti-semetic views. plus, supporting someone like julian assange makes you question your sanity.

@Sandwich13455

Жыл бұрын

There were Arabs with knives at the foot of the bed,right at the foot of the bed 😂.

I enjoy listening to both Roger and David’s solo albums as well as post Pink Floyd.

The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking is my favorite record of all time. The lyric “Did you understand the music, Yoko, or was it all in vain?” seems appropriate here, as it appears that you did not. It’s a tragedy to miss the depth of this album.

@mattthepolarbear

7 ай бұрын

Yeah idk how people call this album trash

@TheGravygun

6 ай бұрын

I got to see the show twice as a teenager it was fantastic.

@NolanEgbert

5 ай бұрын

@@TheGravygunit’s a shame he never formally released a live album or concert film of the tour considering how complex it was

Really solid recap. I agree with almost everything you say here. I am more a Roger fan than a Dave fan, but Division Bell is an incredible album. One thing I disagree with is the Pros & Cons album. Its very good, especially all the acoustic parts Clapton plays. Sure would be great if these 2 dudes could reconcile.

I canNOT, for the LIFE of me, stop reading about Pink Floyd's breakup. I just can't get enough information about it. I am utterly fascinated by it, for some reason. I will always be a die-hard Pink Floyd fan. Thank you for making this.

At 12:14 you are TOTALLY RIGHT! It was 1987/1988 and I had listened to The Final Cut and The Wall for years without ever knowing how Roger Waters or the others looked like! Eventually one of my friends sister traveled to England and brought back a couple of photos of Roger Waters and the other members of the band, only then I got to see who he was! And YES buying photos of bands was something we did back then because there was no Internet and mostly no information available at all!

Nick Mason is the most underrated drummer of all time...also really enjoyed the video

I feel similar to you about listening to their albums. When I listen to the wall, it reminds me of growing up without my mother and father around, growing up in a school where I was reprimanded for not understanding what was “simple”, the loss of my grandfather, and the loss of my first love. It also helps me cope with drug recovery and it influenced my view of the world in so many ways. I mentioned this on your instagram page but I once again just want to say I’m sorry for your loss and your father seemed like such a genuinely great man, I can only imagine what it’s like to grow up with someone for years and years only to lose them. ❤️

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@josephst.george7841

Жыл бұрын

@@JTCurtisMusic no thank you, your videos have been getting me through a lot recently and i appreciate the work you do, hoping to come see Pompeii Floyd live soon

I first heard The Powers That Be at the Madison Square Garden show Roger did back in August 2022, and it was an experience nothing short of kickass 🤘

As a 50+ years Floyd fan in my opinion Waters ideas and lyrics, needed Gilmour, Wright, and Mason to a degree to refine them to produce the final song, Waters needed them just as much as they needed him. For me the Floyd sound comes from the interaction between Gilmour and Wright, the contribution they made to the music was exceptional. I could Listen to Floyd without lyrics anytime it's all about the music for me. Over the years The Final Cut and The Wall albums have tended to be overrated to me and I have not played them for years, in my opinion Wish You Were Here is their best. With or without Waters it is still Floyd to me. In the end I think Gilmour, Wright and Mason done a pretty good job carrying on the Floyd.

@standbytogo123

Жыл бұрын

I became Floyd fan from day one, 'Arnold Lane' Have all their albums except the 'final cut', I don't rate the Wall and never play it. I agree with your sentiments entirely. I despise Waters for what he did to Pink Floyd, have never heard any of his solo albums and would never buy one or go to any of his concerts.

@nexus3180

Жыл бұрын

@@standbytogo123 Agree, the way Waters left Floyd and the lack of respect he showed the other members made me lose respect for him and interest in anything he would do. The Wall and Final Cut became a Waters whinge fest to me, repetitive and boring.

@tonyduncan9852

Жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@pougiourosseroxat

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly!❤

@MorrisonRoad

Жыл бұрын

Dude after Rodger left those albums sucked the Final Cut and the wall were genius

Roger's albums are on a different vibe and quality, last of the 2 PF albums are pretty good. RW shows today are excellent and PF doesn't exist anymore, amazing records over the years.

@CristiNeagu

10 ай бұрын

Pink Floyd died with Richard Wright. David just couldn't see a future in which he could write Pink Floyd songs without the musical back and forth between himself and Richard that defined their music.

To me, Gilmore’s playing transcends and extrapolates on the songs to such a degree that they become his. A lot of dreary music came out of Pink Floyd, but he made it so extraordinary with his ability to sonically frame everything he touched. As a musician I’m always aware of how rare that is an only a few guitarist or soloists, are capable of doing that.

@TheFrostDawg

Жыл бұрын

But the real Pink Floyd 'sound' came from Rick Wright.

@JimMorrison-ld2zh

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFrostDawg He wrote "Remember a day"😅🤣😁😂😀😅

@doggedout

Жыл бұрын

Well said. Plus, Roger is and has continued to be....a colossal D-bag.

@quinkerbags8012

Жыл бұрын

Beautifully put! Have often felt that, he made them his as much as Rogers. It's a shame that Roger couldn't listen to and appreciate Pink Floyd's guitar sound the way we all did. If he had, then he would have known...shit, yea, David MAKES some of these songs....

@TheFrostDawg

Жыл бұрын

@@JimMorrison-ld2zh who cares what he wrote? I'm talking about the atmosphere of pink floyd's music. That calm, jazzy keyboard, soft beautiful voice. And as for your laughing emoji's, you clearly think Rick done nothing for Pink Floyd. Educate yourself.

I think Dave was absolutely right about there being different versions of Floyd. And while Pros and Cons does have some wonky lyrics, it remains one of my fav albums to this day.

This is a very hard thing to talk about, it’s such a difficult thing to get right and get the facts right, so good job! Can’t wait for the video on A Momentary Lapse of Reason! Also please say you’re do a video about Amused To Death, I love that album so much!

I really hope you'll cover their performance at Live8, as well as other times Dave and Roger played together post breakup. The bands rocky past makes the reunions, however big or small, all the more enjoyable.

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

For those who never heard the interview, at least Rogers telling is that Dave called him up for a show on Palestinian relief, something BOTH guys have in common, its just Dave isn't quite so political about it. There are people who just help the wounded, there are those who try to stop the wounding, the 'problem' is not them, the problem is WE aren't all in there helping. Anyway, the story is that Dave calls Roger while Roger is on tour, and Dave says "wouldn't it be funny if we did a version of 'to know him is to love him', which I 'assumed' was about Roger, because thats pretty funny, not Syd, where it would be tragic. Anyway, Roger says that it would take time to learn it, so couldn't they just do an old number. Dave then offers to play on his Wall tour in two gigs in London. Roger doesn't believe him, but thats the deal, and you can watch both online. I like the video where they are ARRIVEING at The Wall concert and Roger is bossing Dave around just like old times and you can kind of tell THIS is why you aren't going to see them touring:)

I full heartily enjoyed the Division Bell and A momentary Lapse of Reason! I absolutely loved On The Turning Away. And I was a big fan of The Final Cut as well

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Stay tuned for my Momentary Lapse of Reason review...

Pink Floyd transcends good musicianship, excellent songwriting and ethereal music that touches the core of the human condition, thought provoking songs and an indelible mark that will stand the test of time as long as humanity exists. And when Roger, Dave and Nick pass all the more immortal will their work become

Nick Mason's Fictitious Sports is something to be heard. And Zee of course. I love Voices.

It should be only about their music. Music is a product of love and devotion. Their personal differences should not affect our perception of what a song does to us when we listen to it. All the rest is gossip and not research.

This was a great vid! I especially like the message at the end of not letting differences get in the way of enjoying the music. The ongoing Glimour/Waters debacle is truly a sad thing, that’s for sure.

For me, there are four different ages to the Pink Floyd music. Fist one with Syd Barrett, second one with all three of the remaining plus David Gilmour, after "The Dark Side of the Moon" you have the Roger Waters era with help from Pink Floyd (mostly David Gilmour) and finally, David Gilmour with help from Pink Floyd (minus Roger Waters).

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

A good analysis but I would say Rick’s pretty vital on The Division Bell and later The Endless River.

During this time I saw David Gilmour About Face Tour 1984 Boston Orpheum. Also saw Roger Waters Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking Tour 1984 Hartford Civic Center w/Eric Clapton. Gilmour didn't play much from Pink Floyd. Only Money, Run Like Hell and Comfortably Numb. That's it. Waters played 13 Pink Floyd songs and then the whole Pros and Cons LP. Waters Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking Tour was the better concert show at that time.

I loved the Pros and Cons Of Hitchhiking.

You always upload right before I have track practice to it is always very fun to anticipate it.

Well said young man. You summed up 40 years of feud in under 20 minutes and did not miss a spot. But above all you addressed the feelings we must churn through in the aftermath with great empathy. I for one grieve for "what might have been". Thank you for this production.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

That you for the kind words!

@autojohn-pu1vf

Жыл бұрын

@@JTCurtisMusic I have already formed my opinion... and I'm listening to yours now... but I think Roger got a little too much of what fryed Syd🙄

I don't really know what makes you dislike The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking, but for me that's a great album. The concept is something so different and it transmits the message well. Also the songs are good and so are the solos.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Eric Clapton's solos are great, no question about that. I don't dislike the album, but everytime I've listened to it, I struggle to remember any hooks or even lyrics. For me its just not memorable, but as I always say that's one man's opinion.

@JimMorrison-ld2zh

Жыл бұрын

Worst album I ever heard.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@deanladue5367 About Face is not my favorite album either, but there were some songs that stood out to me like "Murder." Even "Blue Light" as cheesy at it is, kind of became a guilty pleasure for me.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@JimMorrison-ld2zh If Pros and Cons of Hithchhiking is the worst album you've ever heard, consider yourself lucky. I've heard FAR... FAR worse! Eric Clapton's guitar work alone keeps it from being anywhere near worst album I've ever heard. I don't even consider it bad, just not that memorable. More disappointing since it's coming from the same guy who conceived The Wall.

@pjpredhomme7699

Жыл бұрын

I really loved Radio Kaos - it was a concept album and a little crazy but it was the Reagan Era and I felt he was making a statement about that - anyway I thought it was great - a lot of cool songs - who needs information - radio waves , the powers that be , 4 minutes like you said -. there were a lot of pink floydish songs on that album .

Roger’s latest work is excellent particularly once he teamed up with Nigel Godrich. (Radiohead) and “is this the world we really want” is a wonderful LP. Rogers entered a golden period and his b&w stuff on KZread is also very moving. With luck I’ll see him on this tour but I can’t see him grouting much after this at 78 yrs old plus. Overall I think together it’s magical - solo they’re just not quite the real deal either of them.

Go Fishing, Sexual Revolution (which was meant to be on The Wall) and Every Stranger's Eyes are really good songs from Pros and Cons

I enjoy the immensely creative period of 1972-1973 and I have lots of live recordings from the era which are great. You hear DSOTM developed during this period. These recordings are magnificent enjoyable experiences under headphones.

@bd00814

11 ай бұрын

I agree

Great content my guy, really lucky your videos are coming up in my algorithm because you do a great job with the editing and narrative. Happy Easter!

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Glad I’m coming up on SOMEONE’s algorithm - Happy Easter to you as well.

I laughed so hard when you said "Wait until we get to that!" You sounded like you had a lump in your throat at the end. I kind of felt a little choked up, too. "More lies than a tissue"- never heard that metaphor but it sure is interesting. Pardon the digression, but while I'll miss the Who as a unit, I'm happy for them. I wish Jon Anderson could patch things up with Yes but that may never happen either. Ditto Brian Wilson and what's left of the Bench Boys. And the Stones, well if you're a fan, count yourself lucky they're still sound. Back to what we all should be talking about, I loved the solo albums part. I've been looking forward to this video. And Roger admits guilt and sort of apologizes albeit reluctantly. God bless Pink Floyd, all 5 of them.

All four guys (David, Roger, Rick and Nick) did get together to play at Live 8 in 2005. They all seemed to really enjoy the experience and enjoyed playing together again. I really wished they could’ve continued on from that, but it was not to be.

Glad the Floyd Reviews are back. Your message about the Music is really inspiring.

Nothing compares to the legend of Pink Floyd. There's good stuff afterwards of course, but to me the band is from 67 to 79 and what a perfect stretch it is.

You are perfectly right. It hurts. I'm one of those who love both. I have given a spin to Final Cut just yesterday. Southampton docks is a moving song. I have all their albums including the solos. I find that also Identity and Fictitious sports are great albums. Decades ago I played in a cover band, too. Pink Floyd have not just changed my life, they have modeled it.

Seeing Roger and David still fighting when they are in there seventies is just sad these two should just grow the hell up

Great fair, objective video. Well done. Most people don't realize that with pop music with record companies back in those times, lyricists got more credit than they often deserved. Song writing is really more about "the music." It doesn't take a genius to figure out that those intricate guitar parts, keyboard parts, and drum parts are pretty distinctive to each member, which gave us The Pink Floyd "Sound." This why I still enjoy their later albums as well.

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Rick Wrights two solo albums. Wet Dream in 1978 and Broken China in 1996. Great video and research.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Mentioned Wet Dream in The Wall video, will discuss Broken China later, along with other solo albums.

thanks for putting this together. I didn't follow the break-up at the time, as it was too painful given they were my childhood heroes. So, it was good to see/hear a condensed version without the vitriol that fed the music press of the day. As for the music it speaks for itself: gifted musicians each making their contribution to a whole that has, for the most part, stood the test of time. As an aside since Genesis was mentioned, when Peter Gabriel left the group it wasn't as monumental as was thought. The band have said it was the much earlier departure of Anthony Phillips that they found the most difficult. They nearly didn't carry on they thought AP was such an important member.

Well done vid my man 👍

You're right, the music is important and everything changes depending on who you are, were, where you were, who you were with, etc. Example, I'm opposite of you when it comes to radio kaos and pros and cons. Kaos is okay, yeah it sounds dated and Roger singing about radio waves seems a bit goofy at times. The pros and cons, however, means quite a lot to me because I have really fond memories of listening to it at certain times in my life. The most notable experience being around the early 90's when I was a teenager and we took some...of the stuff Syd was known for liking, let's say. I remember lying in bed and it was about 6 in the morning in the middle of the summer, getting light outside and listening to this on my walkman! I was drifting in and out of consciousness, tired, but buzzed - and catching the odd bit of a track here and there, and it was a surreal experience, because my dreams were literally being affected by what I was hearing and it was like I was there at times, hard to explain but an amazing experience. I do agree on amused to death being his best work, lyrically and musically. Roger can't sing in that angry, spiteful way he used to, more gruff but it's still enjoyable and unique. Beck played a blinder on that album as did Clapton on the pros and cons. The solo in what god wants part III still blows me away to this day, and I bought ATD when it came out. Erics solo on sexual revolution is divine. On the other hand I found momentary lapse rather dull for the most part, maybe even less notable than radio kaos - there's a couple of decent tracks, maybe 2 or 3 but most of it was pretty bad and it too sounds dated. Division bell is good but doesn't have the unique floyd touch I wanted. There's no real clear, overall concept and all of the tracks seem like standard, formulaic pop songs just with great production and talented musicians. Final cut I regard an unappreciated masterpiece that's second only to animals. The only song on final cut that is bad I'd say is not now John - not that it's a terrible song, it's just so out of place and kinda breaks the mood set by the album, but it's actually a very beautiful album. How can you not appreciate and adore songs like southampton dock and the gunners dream? I'll say no more! Great video.

Waters wrote the music as well, he was the catalyst. It’s what he brought to the party and the others collaborated with. In truth they all needed each other.

The simplicity of Waters' bass playing and the raspiness of his voice masks the fact that he is a creative genius and the architect of the Pink Floyd sound. And it

@janpierzchala2004

11 ай бұрын

Pink Floyd concept albums above all. Long live Roger!

They get to fight with each other and their fans get to choose to ignore them and just enjoy their music. Sounds like a good deal.

Glad your back 👍 can’t wait to see your opinions on these next couple albums, I also agree there’s enough drama in the world already, music is so universal and should be used to bring people together not divide us farther apart ❤️

anyone else here in love with The Final Cut? UNDERRATED.

@marioarguello6989

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@DJSockmonkeyMusic

Жыл бұрын

I don't hate it, but it's not a record I put on very often.

@ignatiuspennyfeatherix4376

Жыл бұрын

@@DJSockmonkeyMusic Fuck all that we’ve gotta get on with these.

@mrdave777

Жыл бұрын

Final Cut is Waters first solo album.

Great summation of the PF history.👍 For me as a Floyd fan from the early 70's, neither 'A Momentary Laps' nor 'Pros & Cons were typical 'Floyd' albums. It was clear that Pink Floyd was a creative collaboration from all four former members. Whilst I've enjoyed their subsequent work, I think it's a sad loss that their creative collaboration ran out of steam.

@thiscorrosion900

Жыл бұрын

It was always a collaboration even back in the Early Years. The thing that changed by Animals or so, even possibly bits of Wish You Were Here, was that Waters' ego went Supernova and he slowly erased all that collaboration and he decided that he was writing everything so he was Pink Floyd and everything was by him, and he was the be all and end all of the band. I think what happened in fact is that Waters did such a great job coming up with huge selling albums like Dark Side and WYWH, (but not Animals, it must be recalled---didn't do very well) and later, The Wall, the other guys let him get on with it and by the time they realized what was going on, the man had just installed himself as the Genius in Pink Floyd and nobody else was going to counter his creative decisions or input any longer. The fact he just took it upon himself to fire Richard Wright was a prime example of this. Firing David Gilmour would have been even more foolhardy. Waters claimed Wright was coked out and not pulling his weight in the band by then, and there may be some truth to this, but then, he could have claimed that about any of them since he was being allowed to write most of the material by then. Nobody had a heart attack when Peter Gabriel left Genesis! And in this case, Waters himself left the band only to legally claim that he WAS the band!! From the early days this was never the case. Waters only WROTE the lion's share of the later material, unfortunately for the other guys, who essentially let him get on with it since he was good at it, etc. This came back to haunt them. I maintain the success of Dark Side came back eight years later to haunt them like a fucking poltergeist!

Agree. Let's just appreciate it for what it was and be thankful that we got to live in a time where such greatness existed.

This is a very good and balanced take on the situation, thanks for putting it out there. I too tend to veer more towards David's side of the argument, because the music in my opinion is what makes Pink Floyd's legacy immortal, but at the same time Roger is the one whose concerts I have been to three times now, and every single time he put on an amazing show. I just wish Roger was a bit more appreciative of the musical side of things, instead of being so laser-focused on his writing and lyrical efforts. It's the synergy between each band member's musical contributions, together with Roger's themes and lyrics, that made Pink Floyd the juggernaut that it was. Roger's solo work is just... ehhh. I know it's got a lot of depth to it if you really invest in it, but the music simply isn't there to carry the themes and lyrics. His stripped down version of Comfortably Numb that he's touring right now is just dour, with none of the elation that the original song brought. I'm dreading what his re-recorded version of Dark Side of the Moon will sound like, I'm almost certain it will lack everything that made the album special. Yet at the same time whenever Roger performs his Pink Floyd work live, faithful to the albums as perfectionist as he is, it is one of the most transcendental musical experiences you'll ever witness. It's so hard to understand that he willingly threw all of that aside, still belittles Pink Floyd's musical achievements, and still gets into arguments over it to this day.

Love these videos, I was wondering if you had ever thought about doing reviews on individual albums that are considered some of the greatest ever made. It’d be cool to hear your thoughts on albums like Music from Big Pink, Pet Sounds and The Velvet Underground & Nico. Keep up the good work JT.

Wow! Terrific synopsis of the this period and excellent perspective on the current Gilmour/Waters divide. I like you tend to be more of a Gilmour fan but have always admired Waters' creativity and lyricism. He was the driving force of the band. As a lifelong super fan, it's disheartening that after a brief respite there is so much animosity again. And after reading Polly's Samson and then Gilmour's tweet, reconciliation appears dubious.

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

A think a lot of that is kind of overblown. Basically all we have is Polly saying she doesn't like Roger, we don't even know WHAT she is referring to....Ukraine? Dark Side? The Web Site? No idea. But considering Bob Ezrin once said that The Wall was also most certainly about Rogers tendency towards fascism himself, its not like Roger is new to hearing criticism. And he didn't even reply, so thats that. So it could MOSTLY be a problem with social media which prefers to pick at scabs rather than talk about healing.

@tb-cg6vd

Жыл бұрын

Yes good video with some classic 80's Waters outfits - I especially like the comment 'it's like watching your mum & dad fight!', coming from somebody in their 50's!!!!

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

@@tb-cg6vd I think I remember somebody saying that Pink Floyd was like that BECAUSE of that. Roger lost his dad, so only seems to have had a very determined and independant mother. So he was the dad figure while David was the nurturing, steering Mother, somebody once said he was kind of dumped in a boarding school and sort of abandoned by his parents, so that made him into the 'seemingly' nice guy he seems to be (although somebody said he really knows how to hold a grudge). I think for touring he actually said it would be like getting back together with the ex wife.....ironically its more like HE"S the ex wife. Live 8 was basically a 'one off affair' for the family to get back together for a family reunion, became civil for an afternoon but you can understand why David position would be what it is. Roger possesses all the qualities of a father in a dysfunctional family, and rock groups are VERY dysfunctional. Awhile ago I read about his divorce from wife number whatever and she just wanted some watch or something and he was being a dick about it, you never know with divorce stories but it said it all when the reporter said he gave a look like "what did I do?" Even now he's not exactly grovelling over his apologies about suing the band, publicly I've seen him only addressing it ONCE, in saying "of course it was stupid, who cares?" Not exactly contrite. So yeah, very much like exaxctlyl that, although again, we have Polly sending a tweet calling Roger names and Roger not even responding. Thats HOW bad Rogers reputation is by now, he is not even playing a part in the argument but we all consider it them fighting.

@jans724

Жыл бұрын

@@mikearchibald744 It was such an unnecessary tweet, slandering Roger as being racist, misogynist etc.., and then David retweeting it. So unnecessary! I love Davids guitar and work but this was a low point. Roger must have been a pain back at the time but seems to have moved on and matured.

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

@@jans724 We don't actually know WHAT was behind that. She didn't actually say. It starts off with something like "Cut it out Roger", so we don't know exactly what she is referring to. It could be Ukraine, it could be his rerecording of dark side. I do think its mostly OUR problem because most of those comments I can't imagine Roger hasn't heard before. But it was a tweet and compared to some of the stuff Roger has said about dave in the past when Dave NEVER retaliated very negatively, it was pretty small scale. Nowadays with social media people tend to amplify everything and wanted Roger and Dave to ride off into the sunset together, but I don't think it was that bad. The anti semitic stuff I suspect she just doesn't know any better and just parrots what she hears. It wasn't that many years ago that Dave invited roger to appear at his concert for palestians, thats right , for palestinians, not jews. So its not like palestinian rights aren't something Dave is interested in as well. The 'thief' stuff just likely meant some musical riff or something like that, or else those problems Roger had with his previous ex wife. A guy who is worth 300 million is likely not stealing from the local five and dime. And musically almost ALL Dave's stuff is ripping off blues masters as much as Jimmy Paige did. THere was stuff like 'envy' and all the cardinal sins, and I think it goes without saying that in the love department Roger has not had a great deal of success and is likely fairly unhappy in that regard. In about 2010 I remember that documentary where they talked to Syd's old ex girlfriend and she was saying how good looking Roger had grown into. So its hard to know, frankly I mostly ignore it. I don't jive with Rogers politics all the time, but he's free to have an opinion and I'm glad for ANY prominent anti war voice. But yeah, its too bad the price he seems to have paid for his art. Phil Collins seems the same, lots of financial success and a lot of good social commentary songs in the eighties, likely better than Roger, thats probably why Roger used to diss him all the time. And even Neil Peart who wrote great lyrics and was a brilliant drummer suffered with success and then later in his personal life. As the song says, 'rock and roll is a vicious game'. For those who are serious about it and not just there to make a buck, it takes its pound of flesh. But then I remember how much money they have and its hard to waste TOO much sympathy.

Yeah, I'm not on anyone's "team," either. I love both Roger and David for their respective contributions to music. And as far as which one's Pink, they all are! "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" is the only Roger solo album I've listened to so far. I was particularly curious about that since he came up with the idea of it the same time he conceived the idea for "The Wall." "Pros and Cons" is...okay. I mean, it's not a bad album. I did enjoy listening to it. Just didn't have that same magic "The Wall" did.

Amazingly produced video. I'm glad you are also a Division Bell gigachad.

Nice vid. If I had to take either Roger Waters solo albums or Pink Floyd’s post-Waters albums to a long stranding on an island, I’d go with Roger.

@Jim_L

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Me too! 👍

I really love The Final Cut and The Division Bell. Both are really expressive Pink Floyd albums but in different ways. They were an album apart from each other and yet tonally completely different.

@krisgopi_8

Жыл бұрын

Divisional Bell is Great classic album. Final cut i didn't listen because of setback for me then.

@101wut2

8 ай бұрын

I have to agree. The Final Cut sounds like an album that was painful to make, but that tension and turmoil in the studio really adds impact to the finished work, and I still love it to this day. The Division Bell is also one of my all-time favourite albums, but with a completely different tone and mood. Ultimately, no two Floyd albums sound alike, and that's part of what makes them such a great band. Perhaps TFC would have benefited from more of David's musical nuance, and maybe TDB would have been enhanced by some of Roger's lyrical insight, but there's no sense dwelling on these things since they both stand as phenomenal albums just the way they are.

Roger Waters concert in Frankfurt Germany, in May 2023 included a lengthy remembrance of Syd Barret that left Waters in tears. The concert is on KZread. .

I remember my father being shocked to see them play again at Live8. He let out a "Holy Shit!" and it was rare he swore around me when I was in my teens.

When I was 13 years old, I found about an album Wish you were here. I was listening that album in my basement on old turntable. It wasn't in good shape but I fell in love with Shine on You Crazy Diamond immediately. Since than, Pink Floyd is my all time favorite band. Back then I didn't know about the argument between Dave and Roger. Now, after three years I am sure that Roger couldn't do all the songs alone (solos, drum fills, amazing jazz chords from Rick ...). He came up with the lyrics, but he didn't do everything himself. His ego spoiled the band that had a great influence on other musicians.

I am not in one camp or the other, I have a lot of respect for Roger and David. They both have put on absolutely stunning concerts of Pink Floyd music.

In my my late teens, I fell off the wagon a bit. Got depressed, dropped out of college and went on the dole. The Pink floyd marathons I did in those days got me through it. Some days, I'd listen to six of the their albums at a time. 67-69 Syd Barret and even those other bizzare experiments on 'more' and 'ummagumma'. The post Barret, pre-populist era. 70-72, pre-darkside. Meaning also that I thought some their music became a bit lighter in tone here. Take 'summer '68' 'Fat old sun' from Atom heart mother and the majority of the A side from Meddle. Light weight stoner material. And not in a bad way. 73-77. The 'classic' era. The albums that need no introduction. 79-83. 'The wall' and 'The final cut'. Roger Waters' confessional albums that set the stage for his solo material. '87 onwards. The sobering years. Still great songs. Great fucking music. Teary-eyed guitar work from Gilmore all over the place. EVERY era of Floyd has something to give. They won't get you laid! But I'll tell you what, they gave me a lot of solace when I really needed it. And whenever I come back to any of them, it's never a chore.

You do great reviews!👍🏻

The primary creative force of a band often gets arrogant and thinks they don't need the others, but rarely do they succeed as well on their own, after the breakup. The moral is; maybe your band mates are more valuable than you thought

Pink Floyd truly died with Richard. R.I.P.

For whatever reason, I've never warmed up to Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking. I've always like quite a bit from Radio KAOS and I absolutely love Amused To Death. I think his latest (Is This The Life We Really Want) is pretty underrated. I do like Amused To Death better, but I think his latest is better than it's getting credit for.

I liked the music at the end , shazam'd it and its yours! very nice

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Yes, it hurts. I took my 17 year son to a Temporary Laps of Reason, many years later he took me to Rogers The Wall concert, in a way Pink Floyd binds us.

@5jerry1

Жыл бұрын

~ Momentary, not Temporary.

I genuinely love the music of Pink Floyd, from the very first album, to the most recent single. As a primarily keyboard player, but also other instruments as well, I find that Richard Wright is my biggest influence. I have never been team David, nor team Roger, rather I have always been team Rick. I have always found Rogers treatment of Rick to be rather reprehensible, but his behavior towards and treatment of Rick does not diminish the genius and vital part that Roger played in the band. I may not like Roger on a human being level, but I deeply respect his contribution to Pink Floyd. Every album that the band has put out has at least one thing on it that is worthwhile, and in most cases substantially more than one thing. The good thing is, we will always have the music from every era of the band, and as time passes, we can dismiss the personality and personal issues that the members had.

@THEScottCampbell

Жыл бұрын

Wright's unique use of keyboards were the defining sound of Pink Floyd. His melancholy voice and lyrics were bright spots in ech album up to "Dark Side...". His absence after that and the generic sound of the band after that was enough reason for me to stop buying their albums. Richard and Dave sang beautifully together. If you like "Corporal Clegg" and "Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk", good for you, but they were two great examples of why Waters could never be successful on his own.

@southsider3542

Жыл бұрын

​​@@THEScottCampbell I don't like those two songs, but I really like Welcome To The Machine and Have A Cigar and Pigs On The Wing and Pigs (Three Different Ones) and Sheep and In The Flesh and Mother. You know, songs written solely by Roger Waters

I was a huge Roger Waters fan and supporter until recent years when my feelings became more complicated. But Roger Waters Pros and Cons is brilliant and one of my favorite albums of all time. Amused to death has its moments but Pros and Cons is a hugely greater work.

@alihenderson5910

11 ай бұрын

Is that because he holds some independent political views by any chance?

to be honest, I'm more "Roger" than "David", but love both (and Syd ??!!). And what they did, is exceptional. For me : momentary Laps of Reason, Division Bell, Pros and Cons..., Radio Kaos, even Amused to death : bof bof bof... 😐😐😐 But then You put together Last River and Is this the Life together : that is the Floyd we know and we love 😍. Each of the two last albums are great. Saw both Floyd with Gilmour and Waters in solo in concert. Was Great...

Great review.

These two individuals are brilliant musicians. Don't know why they can't leave well enough alone and enjoy what they've accomplished. What legiondary music they've created for generations to come. So sad.

David Gilmour is one of my favourite all time guitarists and a true artist. But if I'm being honest, I enjoy Roger's solo work much more than post-Waters Floyd. But from what I can tell, if I had to choose which to have a pint with, I'd definitely choose Gilmour.

very nice documentary with interesting details that for my part have never heard before. thanks!

Great vid👍🏼

Waters had a fatalistic approach to the Wall we all know the story, that affected him so. It's a sad thing that happens when in bands guys who start out getting on no longer do. Waters had a time where he was not so easy to get along with which also affected Rick Wrights whole approach. Look, these guys together created some incredible etchings to the music of our entire lives but it became unhinged. Gilmours approach and influence told the story musically, he was also brilliant in his own way especially from the Division Bell Tour, Momentary Lapse, the his work On An Island is musically brilliant. Waters is sadly fussing about doing The Wall sellout shows, but it's retro said and done, it's over. I love the final results of their music but you can clearly tell there was a turn in history for Pink Floyd fans. Let's keep listening and Keep On Talking.

Great job on this video man. Really enjoyed it.

Love the final cut, Love radio kaos, Love The division Bell and until I listen to your video I had no idea they were fighting this much and I don't care it's about the music🤔✌️

Loved the video

Love your show man. Well done. I always watch

I like to say that I really enjoyed this video. So very well-researched. Please please make more. I love Pink Floyd they are my higher power and reason for living! Thank you bro❤

@RockandRollWoman

Жыл бұрын

Hah! Music is also my higher power. That's worked for 27 years now, and I have endless gratitude for that.

Imagine if Roger and David saw this and it played a part in their reconciliation.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Would be an honor to play at least a small part in their reconciliation. Highly doubtful tho…

Good damn job on this brother

Watching this essay for the first time, something is coming to mind, and that's the end of the Cold War. Being a kid in the 70s and 80s, the fear of war and nukes was palpable. WWII, in my mind and heart, was something to look back at, learn about, and hope a terror like that never happened again. Those two powerful fears, and the things they had in common (the Bomb), probably played a giant part in my love for Roger's Floyd. To me, he as a character/narrator, and also the other characters in his writing, were maddened by the loss and terror of war, but were also making a plea for peace and reason, a plea that we not make terrible mistakes that would kill us and our world. To me, the band was really different without Roger. The new Floyd hits weren't bad at all, and weren't devoid of the themes I've referenced, but I just no longer felt that connection.

The gunners dream is a great song, it should have been a Pink Floyd classic, on par with Wish You Were Here, and I’m sure it would have been had Dave had more involvement and rick had been around

@ianfortier6796

Жыл бұрын

That's where The Final Cut suffers. The lack of David and Rick. The tracks where David plays sound and feel like Pink Floyd, the others don't. I'm definitely not taking anything away from Roger's lyrics or concepts, he's one of the best at those aspects of music. I just feel as you do, there's some great music out there from all parties involved which would have been that much stronger if each stayed with their strengths. IMO, Radio KAOS would have made a phenomenal Pink Floyd record with it's concept, and Amused To Death and The Division Bell might have been on par with their 70s heyday. A Momentary Lapse Of Reason (and I feel it's underappreciated) could have been that much better with Roger's conceptual input.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Check out my review of The Final Cut, I mention that the live version of The Gunner’s Dream with Eric Clapton soloing takes the song to a new level. Definitely agree Dave and Rick’s contributions would have added so much more. And Radio KAOS definitely seemed like an interesting concept.

@ianfortier6796

Жыл бұрын

@JTCurtisMusic I missed that one but I'll have to check it out. I'm with you on Roger's Pros And Cons albums. It's a decent concept but not his strongest, and musically is pretty weak, imo. I'd much rather hear a Pink Floyd KAOS album with the 80s sensibilities pulled out of it. I also agree with you about David's first two solo albums. About Face, aside from a few specific tracks, didn't do anything for me, and I'm a huge Gilmour fan.

All I could think about was how John Densmore was able to block his band (the Doors) from reforming without him with a lawsuit and Roger Waters was not. I've read Densmore's book so I understand the reasons there, but I still wonder what the key differences were. Perhaps it was just the time and the place. Another fantastic video here! I can't wait for the next one.

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

It will always depend on the contract. Its been awhile that I've read, but I seem to recall that Floyd settled out of court before an actual verdict. In The Doors I'm pretty sure the contract said ALL the members, but thanks to what happened with Syd (technically he WAS still alive,so would be a voting member), they had various ways of kicking people out, as they did with Rick, and there was some talk that it could even include Nick. As long as its a 'majority'. Apparantly I've read Rick had to sign a contract saying he was NEVER rejoin Pink Floyd, so there were legal technicalities in how he would play at concerts. Which goes to prove what Roger says, the band MEMBERS are not the entity. You could argue EMI 'owned' Pink Floyd, as they bankrolled them for many years before they made it big. Roger thought HE was the band, forgetting that 'in the machine' no matter how much you do, your still part of the machine. So he did get his contractual way in not allowing Rick to become a full blown member again until later. I'm not positive, but pretty sure the guys in The Doors agreed everything needs to be unanimous, which many bands like Rush do, or did.

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

Again I think because of Syd’s departure so early, they never made a formal contract of who the band must consist of, and in that case Roger wouldn’t have been able to force Rick out. The Doors were a set unit up until Jim Morrison’s death, so it’s possible that they had a contract, but then they did the “Other Voices” album without Jim so… 🤷🏼‍♂️

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

@@JTCurtisMusic That was when Jim sued, they basically just did a common corporate decision which is "its easier to pay a lawsuit than formalize a contract". Thats a variation of "its easier to apologize later than ask permission first". You may have covered this, sorry, I didn't get all the way through, I'm a reader, I don't concentrate well on audio, but I'll get to it, but Nick says it had to be unanimous. Again, maybe you mentioned it, but Roger lost it when Rick was supposed to have a part by summer and he just fucked off to his boat when they had a deadline. Roger lost it and told the other guys he was going to do it as a solo album if they didn't turf Rick. Once Rick was gone I'd 'heard' somewhere that Roger and Dave sorted of wanted to turf Nick-thats obviously not in Nicks book and since the band would be three guys, that would be two to one, so they COULD have done it, so maybe thats not even true. But yeah, sorry, I like talking floyd and was listening to something else already but I'll get through the thing I promise. I've only actually seen ONE article where Roger goes through it, and it was a long time and pretty byzantine so I'll get through the video....even if you did pick sides:) But yeah, you probably read Ricks book but if its not mentioned, its a pretty good story that gives Roger some credit that Rick just basically sat around and did nothing. Then asked for producer credit, and Roger said, 'fine, as long as you produce', which is a pretty fair thing to say, much like both Roger and Rick claim they gave Nick songwriting credit to give him some publishing royalties, I forget the track. But apparantly Rick just sat around and thought a producers jobe was doign nothing, so when he pissed off Roger really lost it. And I can understand that, he's very much like Phil Collins, partly probably why he hates him, but both are hard workers and expect others to be hard workers. OK, I'll stop commenting til I listen to the whole thing:)

@JTCurtisMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@mikearchibald744 From the research I've done, Rick did not "sit around doing nothing." You know those keyboard chords at the end of "Another Brick in the Wall"? Bob Ezrin confirmed they were his composition. That's a pretty huge contribution. James Guthrie also said he made significant contributions in the evening when the rest of the band wasn't there - I explain this all in my Wall review. Again if you take this long-standing claim on the internet without verifying the sources, this same tired story is just going to continue to go around and become accepted fact.

@mikearchibald744

Жыл бұрын

@@JTCurtisMusic Well you didn't say where your research comes from. The story I wrote is almost word for word in Nick Masons book. Frankly Rick is dead and the other guys are millionaires and there are ALL kinds of stories that go around the internet, hell there were stories going around LONG before the internet. Its called the world. I didn't make ANY claim that Rick never contributed to The Wall, I would certainly never say that even if he DID literally not contribute anyting, I just reiterated what the drummer of Pink Floyd said in his book. And the reality is that likely NOBODY even remembers back then very well, I've heard Roger tell the same story three different ways in three different interviews in three different decades, I've also heard him admit to not remembering any of it, and also claiming he remembered parts of it like yesterday. Thats why I wrote that Pink Floyd is like literature, even those INVOLVED don't know what happened. I've heard the story about Syd coming into the booth during Wish you Were Here at least three different ways. One they noticed him right away, one where none of them recognized him, one where Roger tells Rick who it was, one where a producer tells them. And on and on. THose stories are most definitely going to continue and proliferate, so any clams of 'this is what happened' is going to at most be an approximation, so relax. I didnt accuse anybody of a crime or anything like that, I just stated whats in Nicks book. Frankly its about the ONLY interesting part of the book.

David's solo work, and later Floyd projects, proved Pink Floyd would never have been what it was without his musical input. Let's face it, David is one of the greatest rock guitar players of all time, and my favorite lead guitar player. Not to mention he's also a great singer. But David also proved that without Roger's visionary themes and lyricism, those classic Floyd LPs would have been empty calories, if they would have been noticed at all. Roger sketched the painting and David gave it the colors it needed. Those guys owe each other and need to drop it.

That ending was great! As someone from Gen Z I couldn’t agree more. The music is what brings all of us so much joy and ofc we can all like what we wanna like👍🏼

Waters’ moment of greatest narcissism, ironically, is his mea culpa. “I was wrong - who cares?” he grandly announces, as if there were no consequences of his destructive actions….as if nobody is allowed to hold him to account.

@fruitvibes

Жыл бұрын

That's typical Roger.

wooo. amused to death and the division bell next!!! cant wait

I wrote a comment before hearing your closing comments and I have now put aside my original feelings. I agree, its over and I am THANKFUL for all of the band members. As a member of a band it has occurred to me how challenging it is. We all have a vision and taste of our own music and putting it all together is the goal!! Great video and thank you for ending the hate I had!

I love your video very unbiased! Thank you for making this video! 👏

Roger messed up everything and quite frankly I love Pink Floyd but always knew David was the lead, and being I was 14 when I saw them live in Phila in 1994, by that time, Roger was gone. To me, they didn’t need Roger. The music moves me a lot. Lasting memories