I'm having to film back in the Tiny Room against green-screen again, as lockdown means the Centre for Computing History is closed! Hopefully they'll be open again soon, although that depends on a very different kind of progress...

@tek1645

3 жыл бұрын

1 week ago?

@spywalkz1

3 жыл бұрын

Ohh HeLLo ThErE

@zelo101

3 жыл бұрын

hi

@vefq

3 жыл бұрын

hiii

@cheesecakeburger

3 жыл бұрын

oh

The most annoying thing is when it reaches 100% and then just sits there for another 3 days.

@ChrisD__

3 жыл бұрын

Or at 0% for 2 hours... Very cool windows update.

@MrBluemoon74

3 жыл бұрын

Standard windows xp behaviour use to be sometimes: set the progress bar to 90%, then begin what you have to do, upon finishing set it to 100%. now with windows 10 we have those dots that fly in, do a slow circle and fly out again, over and over again.

@dsi-films1264

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisD__ This is scary true

@titaniumvulpes

3 жыл бұрын

I once heard a web designer talk about how sometimes a progress bar isn't even truly a progress bar, it's just a code or gif image set to raise up to around 90-99%, swap to a different bit of code or image and display that until it's just about finished, and then swap to a third bit of code or image that displays 100% (this is most common on websites or video game loading screens but I'm sure some program installers do this too). The real trick to it is like Tom said, making it a little janky so it _seems_ like a real progress bar.

@iadtag1853

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisD__ At the very least, as Linus had pointed out too, they don't take that much time with the updates nowadays.

everybody gangsta till tom scott tells the exact length of the video in advance

@brunnomenxa

3 жыл бұрын

Here the video has a delay of approximately 0.5 seconds of the real value.

@adamrezabek9469

3 жыл бұрын

nah, much better is saying nothing to user, freezing and eventually dropping BSOD

@sharktacos

3 жыл бұрын

I KNOWW

@rosk3170

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 so true

@davidmachado132

3 жыл бұрын

@@brunnomenxa Maybe the computer calculated it wrong, cant trust those

The last 1% always takes by far the longest. And the risk of the whole thing crashing rises exponentially as well.

@traceyguilbert7906

2 жыл бұрын

Love ur pfp axolotl my fav animal

@lethall6609

2 жыл бұрын

No the 99 does 😂

@BassandoForte

2 жыл бұрын

It's called "the law of the sod"... 🤣

@BassandoForte

2 жыл бұрын

It's the same law that dictates that if you're waiting for a parcel it will come at the latest they say - Unless you nip out, then when you come back they've just been... 👍🤣

@noredine

Жыл бұрын

@@lethall6609 That's what he said. "the LAST 1%"

I once wrote a small program for a department in my company and they didn't think it was good enough. I added a small progress bar to the front that literally just incremented a counter at even intervals and they went nuts for how robust I had made it and loved it. It was a 3 second loop that flashed a modal with the word "loading..." and a progress bar that did nothing but count to 100 by 1 and it changed the perception of the complexity. I eventually took that out, citing a performance improvement.

@karolakkolo123

2 жыл бұрын

Big brain

@MowLawner

2 жыл бұрын

Really goes to show how little the non-techies know about tech

@KF-zb6gi

2 жыл бұрын

Anything animated is great🤣🤣

@GrimRize

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps not in your particular case but as someone who used to do a lot of programming for fun many moons ago, one word sums it up, 'feedback'. You'll know what I loathe if you are familiar with large commercial crap like SAP and anything designed around it for end user experiences which in my experience has little to none, or wildly unexpected or might as well be invisible user feedback. If you display something for more than a few seconds and it isn't immediately obvious what you should be doing, you failed with your GUI (assuming you have one of course). A lot of stuff has moved away from desktop software where I work and moved towards web front ends, oh god how terribly slow, fails a lot, has little to no feedback, half the time you only know something has worked or is working purely because you have sat through nothing happening so many times and confirmed the data via another method that wastes even more time..... and i'm ranting hahahaha!

@samwinchester7844

2 жыл бұрын

@@MowLawner It's called providing a good user experience. If you make the user wait with no indication of what's/if any is happening, they will hate it.

*every programmer after trying to fix a small bug in their code:* “It’ll still probably be wrong, but it’ll be differently wrong”

@Pattoe

3 жыл бұрын

I remember raising off a defect for a system I was testing where adding a discount of 50% to a service which cost £24 would instead increase its price to £48. In the next release adding a discount of 50% to the service which cost £24 decreased its price to -£26. Wrong in a different way.

@shaunkim5059

3 жыл бұрын

@@Darenz-cg9zg maybe it subtracted 50 from 24 (which would become 26) instead of 50% of 24.

@quixomega

3 жыл бұрын

I'd fire a programmer who thought like that. If you don't understand why your fix works, it probably doesn't.

@JusteFantastico

3 жыл бұрын

@@quixomega You are not a programming manager, then. At least I hope not. Sometimes problems in complex codebases are incredibly confusing so you try a hail mary in an attempt to fix it and it works. In an ideal world you can spend forever debugging and figuring out what caused an issue. In the real world, you have deadlines to deal with and something needs to work ASAP. It doesn't matter how.

@jcfiggy

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pattoe From x2 to -50. dang.

Good ol' floppy drives "3%.... 4%.... 98% DONE"

@CoderGautam

3 жыл бұрын

hello verified person

@skyvorythings

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, its my favourite 40k youtuber. Neat.

@josh_1518

3 жыл бұрын

You skipped the 2% after 98% but before done

@jupiter2142

3 жыл бұрын

Or netflix

@tparadox88

3 жыл бұрын

The store where I used to work would reboot the self service computer after every customer so it could restore the default state of the machine. The software it had to launch after the reboot used to be stupidly slow to load some process that takes the progress bar between 3% and 78% (like 5-10 minutes, or at least it felt like it when there was a line to use it) and then only a few seconds to complete, until we upgraded the computer to a faster processor and SSD, and then the progress bar would just already be at 78% by the time you could see one.

My absolute favorite thing is when loading time estimates spit out stuff like "infinite" or "96 years." I don't see it happen as often anymore (and it's also unhelpful) but it's hilarious.

@plumjet0930

Жыл бұрын

0% 14:34 remaining 7% 25:10 remaining 18% 2:10 remaining 63% 0 seconds remaining 92% 4 days remaining 100% 2 seconds remaining

@Edward256

Жыл бұрын

@@plumjet0930 "2 seconds remaining" it says for a full 5 minutes. XP

@birdandcatlover5597

Жыл бұрын

I never minded those, since they were so amusing

@TarunoNafs

Жыл бұрын

Oh, a dead torrent file will guarantee you that experience. The feeling when you see that infinity sign...

@thezipcreator

Жыл бұрын

infinite probably happens because of floating point

My old internet setup was extremely prone to dropping connections temporarily, and it was really funny watching "time remaining" estimates steadily climb by several days of time before suddenly jolting back to a few minutes

@brainwater176

Жыл бұрын

Had satellite internet limited to 10 gigabytes before. When it ran out it reduced to dial-up speed. A download once shot up to 4 years.

@God-of-canine

Жыл бұрын

So one day I was using my dell Inspiron 15 3000to download a steam game called world of tonks, it went like this from one hour to hour five hours three days 365+ more than a year. (It took a day and a half to install)

@calcutt4

10 ай бұрын

One time not very long ago I was updating a steam game, the estimating time remaining started at 5 minutes and steadily increased until it said "more than one year", before going back to 20 minutes

Personally my favourite kind of progress bar is when there's two progress bars: the top one showing the progress of the overall process, and the bottom showing the progress of each individual task. That lets you actually see why some bits take longer, and in my opinion gives you a better approximation of the time left.

@kjdude8765

3 жыл бұрын

Loved that in older installers. Very informative and reassuring!

@derdarkl2890

3 жыл бұрын

And in some cases help you with troubleshooting if somerhing crashes while loading :D

@simontay4851

3 жыл бұрын

Thats good because you can actually see what is or isn't happening.

@joweber7492

3 жыл бұрын

The only specific program I know that does that is WinRar while unpacking

@IceMetalPunk

3 жыл бұрын

@@derdarkl2890 As opposed to things like Limewire (remember Limewire?), whose loading screen had "steps" like "Scouring New York City for limes..." Which maybe the developers knew what it was actually doing at that point for debugging, but it means nothing to anyone else.

Progress Bar: Seems to be stuck. Me: Putting the cursor just right on the end of the bar to see if it's still running.

@MouseGoat

3 жыл бұрын

Progress Bar process to get stuck because the mouse is blocking it

@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! I do that too!

@kaylag5043

3 жыл бұрын

Omg ur stupid. If you put the mouse there it's gonna be in the way of the progress bar!

@softis5star110

3 жыл бұрын

I can relate, I also do that.

@enemdisk6628

3 жыл бұрын

Relatable

I feel like not enough people are showing appreciation for the timing skills he did for 1:24

@B4NDIT_12

Жыл бұрын

Woah wow he can read time from his camera

@chipchip3

Жыл бұрын

Killjoy

@NicoPlyley

Жыл бұрын

@@B4NDIT_12 Also I doubt the video started rolling the very second he started speaking so he has to adjust for that too

@sansundertale1234

11 ай бұрын

@@B4NDIT_12 how would he know that its 5:10 long tho

@wanganeu

10 ай бұрын

@@sansundertale1234Well you don't have to be a prophet, just cut and edit it accordingly - maybe that's why it cuts mid sentence in the end 😂

Windows 10's updates take "meh, good enough" a little too casually though. It can sit on 21% for three-quarters of an hour then jump to 81% for 15 minutes more and then 98% and done in a few seconds. I suspect they decided to only update the progress bar after completion of (e.g.) each file installed, and that in the above scenario there are some really huge files that are complex to install and a few smaller / simpler files after that.

@BassandoForte

2 жыл бұрын

When it forces a U2 Song virus on you - no wonder it takes ages... 😪🤣

@OLBastholm

2 жыл бұрын

@@BassandoForte That was not Microsoft. That was Apple (on the iPhone, I think). And why would it have anything to do with a virus?

@BassandoForte

2 жыл бұрын

@@OLBastholm - Did you want it? Did it take up pointless hard drive space..?? And no - it was Windows 10 although Aople is just as unethical... 🤣 That's why I use Android... 😝

@vinson3725

Жыл бұрын

@@BassandoForte pointless? updates are there to keep your devices up to date with anti viruses, security and patches, i don't understand why people have a problem with Windows updates, it barely takes any time for me

@BassandoForte

Жыл бұрын

@@vinson3725 - So you're happy they forxe pointless things like U2 tunes onto your PC..?? 🤔🤣

Can't explain the fustration of things getting stuck at 99%

@mixxed_nuts

3 жыл бұрын

Then be prepared for the frustration of it being stuck at 100% and nothing happening

@Iucebowel

3 жыл бұрын

Then be prepared for the stuck of it being at frustration 100% and happening nothing

@altrag

3 жыл бұрын

@@mixxed_nuts Or 101%. Always know you're in for good times when you see that :-/..

@iexplainjokestomakethemles1560

3 жыл бұрын

@@altrag i hate when my game loads 101%

@Fish-bt4cj

3 жыл бұрын

@@altrag oww that physically hurts to see

“Why can’t they just tell you how long something will take?”- Because they don’t know.

@lmao7454

3 жыл бұрын

Or they can calculate time but it's like "10 years left"

@lemonlattez

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmao7454 2 minutes left...30 minutes left....1 day left.... 70days left..... 148 Years left.. 30 seconds left.. DONE!!!

@lmao7454

3 жыл бұрын

@I WÅNT ŞĖX !!! SĖĖ MY VIDEÓ !!! what are you ._.

@Ansh77K

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmao7454 abomination of mankind

@mitaalishukla3850

3 жыл бұрын

@ʜᴇʟᴘ ᴛʜɪꜱ ᴅɪɴᴏ ʀᴇᴀᴄʜ 1 ꜱᴜʙ. Awwww! I choose to believe there's some good in humanity and that you're not just spamming. Happy Birthday, and I subbed.

As someone that has actually coded a very basic progress bar before, yes. It's near impossible to make it smooth, and yes, my answer was exactly the same. It shows that it's making progress and not frozen, and that's all that really matters. I have a new respect for progress bars after trying to make one actually function, and I had tutorials to figure out how to do it.

@Cypeq

2 жыл бұрын

It's not very sophisticated to increment value by a little every time something completes... Estimating time is whole can of worms.

@dagoberttrump9290

Жыл бұрын

How about a neural network that learns from different machine settings how long tve overall process is going to take

@Great_Olaf5

Жыл бұрын

I mean... How effective is it at showing that there is in fact progress going on when it sits unchanging at 25% for two minutes before racing all the way from there to 68% in less than two seconds.

I remember from some games, that they would have an installer that had: a blue progress bar with a percentage. And on the left side of the screen would be three additional bars for showing you what each step of the installation was doing. So a bar for disk usage, etc. That was far more informational then just one bar with or without an ETA displayed. (Windows 95/98 era).

@nedmurry

2 жыл бұрын

The Epic Games Store still does that. It gives my eyes something to do while a game installs/updates.

@zombiekiller7101

2 жыл бұрын

@@nedmurry lmao same

@UnJustKidding

2 жыл бұрын

Lemme get ANOTHER quick shoutout to WInrar the GOAT

@ahmed4363

Жыл бұрын

@@nedmurry A point for epic games. They just gotta compress their files like steam does because i dont want to download 30 fricking gigabytes just to make games if i fan just downloaded 3gb instead from Unity

@celestialtree8602

Жыл бұрын

While it's not quite similar, Minecraft's Forge Mod Loader also tells you what it's doing; specifically, it has multiple progress bars, in increasing levels of detail, each with a step count. One for the main 7 or so steps of loading, then one for what it's doing within that step (i.e. loading a specific mod), then a third for what it's doing within that (i.e. loading individual textures).

If good old internet explorer taught me something, it is that progress bar is also capable to go to 100% and then return back to 99% and stay there for like 5 hours.

@Vinni-2K

3 жыл бұрын

bruh

@mfThump

3 жыл бұрын

winrar showed me that a few times

@0_-

3 жыл бұрын

you're an old interneter

@brojoe44

3 жыл бұрын

When you're clicking it wondering wtf and "Explorer.exe has stopped working"

@brojoe44

3 жыл бұрын

At least little kid me was smart enough to just rerun explorer.exe when my taskbar and stuff disappeared

"There's 5 minutes and 10 seconds of video, and we've got through 1 minute and 24 seconds." - *checks* Holy frick.

@FarrelTTE

3 жыл бұрын

Wait What? How the Frick?

@bedro_0

3 жыл бұрын

HOW

@mcvibing2785

3 жыл бұрын

Sup Phoenix

@JoeMoment

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@arkanon8661

3 жыл бұрын

I keep seeing my subscriptions everywhere

I found this very interesting. My job is a performance test analyst, and we often find that performance issues in software is not the software itself, but the users perceptions of it. Have a user wait for something to happen with nothing going on, instant 'its running slow' report. Add a spinner, progress bar, literally any user cue that something is still happening and they'll be more tolerant. The software could actually be slower because it has to deal with updating the screen as well as the job it's trying to do, but users will be happy about it.

I am a computer security expert and you make a very good point about smooth progress bars representing something potentially malicious. Good stuff!

The bar: *goes to 99% instantly* Also the bar: *Takes 5 hours to finish*

@tofifichannel7199

2 жыл бұрын

Not gonna ruin it its in 111 like, not gonna like it cus its 111 not gonna break the chain. Because then it’s 112.

@ZenthosSohtnez

2 жыл бұрын

@@tofifichannel7199 You good?

@SecularTranscendant

2 жыл бұрын

@@tofifichannel7199 now its 222

@amazedacorn1062

2 жыл бұрын

@@SecularTranscendant I ruined it sorry

@hashishiriya

2 жыл бұрын

@@tofifichannel7199 dude, it's 699 now... i definitely can't like it

I love it when it takes 2 seconds to go from 0% to 99% and 1 hour to get to 100%

@treehugger8790

3 жыл бұрын

cough cough* steam installations

@65E

2 жыл бұрын

I know

@51256

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahahah

@williamaydelotte6420

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@LostToSpace

2 жыл бұрын

@@treehugger8790 fr steam downloads in a nutshell

This video would not get off my recommended so let’s see what it’s about

@kacauthecat9484

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, Dj

@content3551

2 жыл бұрын

this video randomly came up in my recommendations

@woahachannel

3 ай бұрын

*TWO YEARS. FOUR LIKES. WHAT.*

People: I need a better computer Physicians: Just flip the monitor sideways so the bar goes down due to gravity

@superevolvedshinamalgamleo8168

2 жыл бұрын

yup

@I_killed_that_beard_guy

2 жыл бұрын

yup

@___Zack___

2 жыл бұрын

..... Physicists?

@bosselotiscanon

2 жыл бұрын

@@___Zack___ not a typo, my doctor also prescribed me the same thing instead of viagra.

@___Zack___

2 жыл бұрын

@@bosselotiscanon Ha! not gonna lie, that was actually fantastic 😆

"The download will complete in 5 minutes." "I mean 10 minutes" "I mean 99 days :O" "Download complete"

@josedevgd9566

2 жыл бұрын

I know 100% what the guy above is saying

@sauce4897

2 жыл бұрын

@@josedevgd9566 smol brain

@Kangahrooo

2 жыл бұрын

@@sauce4897 yes

@imjustaguy4340

2 жыл бұрын

The ps4 allwes starts at like 7 hours and gose to 20 mins (i like watching that tho its sayisfying)

@Extremezotako

2 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOO

Even 0.1% movement of progress bar is a huge relief than it getting stuck for long...

@noeldoesthings

3 жыл бұрын

So true

@benrgrogan

3 жыл бұрын

Am I the only person who places the corner of the mouse pointer on the progress bar when this happens? So I know if there has been any movement

@soupkitchen467

3 жыл бұрын

@@benrgroganAll the time

@jvccr7533

3 жыл бұрын

@@soupkitchen467 you have to leave a space

@DavidKizivat1

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry to inform you that sometimes the progress bars are explicitly coded to keep moving continuously at least a bit even when no job was completed since the "last big jump" of the progress bar. The "big jumps" are often when something has actually completed.

*I'm being honest* , him knowing the exact length of the video time lapsed and telling the exact length of the video in between the video made me sub

My new favorite excuse is "I'm not wrong; I'm just differently wrong."

The worst kind of progress bars are the ones that roll in a circle infinitely and it doesn't really mean anything. Sometimes the installation process freezes forever but the animation is still going.

@arthurmoore9488

3 жыл бұрын

That's not a progress bar, it's just a dumb animation. Still better than nothing, but not by much.

@hoodiesticks

3 жыл бұрын

I believe the term for that is "Spinner". Ideally they should be used for tasks that only take a few seconds, because displaying a whole progress bar for something so short wouldn't be worth it.

@oskarwinters1873

3 жыл бұрын

if you see it on mobile games it usually just means your internet connection fell.

@Bentroen_

3 жыл бұрын

@@hoodiesticks Actually, the point of them is to indicate a task that will take an indefinite amount of time, e.g. when you're downloading a file that you don't know the total size of.

@CorelUser

3 жыл бұрын

they're there so you can tell whether or not the application has frozen and/or stopped working

Steam be like: "Ok pal, this game will take 2 weeks... I mean 20 seconds... I mean 4 days, I mean 5 hours. . . I mean. . ."

@hypereternal2263

3 жыл бұрын

I mean 5 hours .... 2 weeks .... finished

@kenji642

3 жыл бұрын

or 2 years.. im not kidding, steam actually said it'd take 2 years to download a game

@adamholliday3391

3 жыл бұрын

@@kenji642 What game was it? And what were the computer specs?

@StreamHGF

3 жыл бұрын

relatable

@debonairpuma8774

3 жыл бұрын

99+ years

Finally someone who asks right questions and gives precise and short answer in a concise manner - KUDOS to you mr Tom!

To further ensure the user knows that the program hasn't crashed, it's always nice to add a "time elapsed" counter as well

I love it when a simple download says "2 years remaining" or "∞ time remaining".

@wolfsyncc

2 жыл бұрын

"brb gonna download a game" last seen 2 years ago "yo bro downloaded that game, what did i miss?

@oofers9939

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfsyncc you missed my funeral

@Aeternus75

2 жыл бұрын

@@oofers9939 wait then who’s speaking-

@IIiiiLiiOiiIii

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aeternus75 my funeral

@placeadrien5566

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfsyncc that's what my father said to me never came back

The one thing that should never ever ever be displayed on a PC is "100% complete. Please wait"

@dave2980

2 жыл бұрын

But fr I get this a lot and it just doesn't make any sense. How is it 100% if I still have to wait like 1/4 time of the whole thing more.

@bilib1891

2 жыл бұрын

Because 99,5% is rounded up. DUH!

@dominicarmesiniataide9968

2 жыл бұрын

@@dave2980 rounded up

@lordsiomai

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Defeats the very purpose of progress bars

@anantkharade119

2 жыл бұрын

Man's waited 5 years to download a game

My favorite memory of a loading bar (or technically a "time remaining" counter) was one time downloading/installing a game on Steam. It was maybe 80% of the way when I noticed the download speed was slowing down significantly, and so the remaining time predicted went up from 3 minutes to 4, 5, 6, 7, and kept climbing. 30 minutes, hours, then days, then weeks, then months, and finally was all the way up to 1 year of predicted time remaining. A moment later it finished and was ready to play.

You could probably design a loading bar that manipulates human emotion to convince us to be patient and constantly thinking it is always almost over.

"Imma just let this update overnight" *Goes to sleep... Wakes up... Opens laptop "Would you like to install this device software?"

@jcfiggy

3 жыл бұрын

:/ i hate that

@ayaanazr

3 жыл бұрын

UNDERRATED COMMENT

@the.abhiram.r

3 жыл бұрын

or when windows crashes and updates the computer anyways. AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING.

@stirfryjedi

3 жыл бұрын

"Press okay now to confirm installation." 😭

@kabochaVA

3 жыл бұрын

sudo dnf update Whenever _you_ choose to update...

Petition for Tom Scott to re-edit the title and fill the progress bar slowly every day.

@NetheriteMiner

3 жыл бұрын

this is the this many views video all over again

@SKyrim190

3 жыл бұрын

I had a fleeting impression that it was increasing along the video and got paranoid observing if there was some sort of magical trickery going on...but, no...just a normal title

@dottyman7251

3 жыл бұрын

petition signed (and I'm the 68th person to like your comment)

@JBLewis

3 жыл бұрын

Mark Rober just a similar thing with his Mar Rover Perseverance intro video, each day the video was re-titled counting down to the landing.

@WarrenGarabrandt

3 жыл бұрын

No, it will get stuck where it's at for 6 months, then suddenly finish.

I don't know how many people will fully appreciate the fact that you knew in this long take exactly how long the video was going to be and mention exactly where in the video you are to the second. But with having a video editing background myself, oh boy, did I appreciate that! Well done! I loved it.

I’ve been a software developer for decades and I still find myself trying to explain to people that the progress bar shows how much of all the tasks the program needs to perform have been done, not how much time it’s going to take to do those tasks Since things have gone largely internet based (which can be a total crapshoot), progress bars have largely been replaced with spinning loading things because we developers have essentially given up on trying to give any predictions and just want to let the user know “we’re still doing something, please continue wait”

I remember in my younger years when reinstalling Windows Me on a borked computer. And we'd put a piece of tape on the screen to mark the progress bar position, to see if it was really moving.

@bsvenss2

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha. Good one.

@jcfiggy

3 жыл бұрын

Verified = Likes. Watch.

@ansilnaseem

3 жыл бұрын

@@jcfiggy Verified comments > Verified comment mocking reply. There is nothing wrong if the person is verified or not

@igorchistyakov8876

3 жыл бұрын

Good times.

@redsquirrelftw

3 жыл бұрын

I always put my cursor where the line is and see if it moves haha.

“.... and 24 seconds.” Smack bang on the 24 second mark. Now THAT’S attention to detail........

@feronanthus9756

3 жыл бұрын

Or padding out the necessary time with the intro

@igorchistyakov8876

3 жыл бұрын

@@feronanthus9756 one does not contradict the other, tbh.

@beast123465

3 жыл бұрын

I’m shook on how accurate this was

I love the Netflix percentage count.. It’s at 1%, 4% and then done, never even gets to 5

I found you a bit ago and you are delightful. I'm watching anything that is suggested by the mighty algorithm and so far? Pure gold.

I once had Steam tell me a game wouldn’t finish downloading 4 years from now. It’s been 5 years. Steam, where’s my game?

@zeinab9222

2 жыл бұрын

you got it yet?

@user-ty2fm3ge9m

2 жыл бұрын

You went 5 years without restarting your computer once?

@theuselessteammate2097

2 жыл бұрын

Is there some sort of r/missedthejoke

@maikeru5187

2 жыл бұрын

Dang steam still hasn't given you your game

@HL1_EP1

2 жыл бұрын

@@theuselessteammate2097 r/woosh

"It'll still probably be wrong, but it will be differently wrong" has to be my favorite tom scott quote

@3dlabs99

3 жыл бұрын

its a much more pleasing kind of wrong

@atomickoala62

3 жыл бұрын

Sheldon: More wrong? Wrong is an absolute state and not subject to gradation. Stuart: Of course it is. It is a little wrong to say a tomato is a vegetable, it is very wrong to say it is a suspension bridge.

@VictorLima-mv4ni

3 жыл бұрын

Tom scotte quot

Tom: Progress bar not smooth KZread progress bar: WHAT ABOUT ME Lag: Well I counter you and many others.

The fact that Tom can tell you inside of the video how long it will be AND the exact second that s clip plays in advance is crazy.

"It'll still probably be wrong, but it'll be differently wrong..." - this sounds like almost every single update to every piece of software that ever existed.

@3bigbignig-abandoned

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

3 жыл бұрын

And a cause for celebration for the software developers.

@baby333

3 жыл бұрын

hahahahaha

@HandledToaster2

3 жыл бұрын

Every programmer trying to bugfix :(

@0_-

3 жыл бұрын

@@HandledToaster2 true

* progress bar moves smoothly * *_something's wrong I can feel it_*

@jayageorge4278

3 жыл бұрын

Where is the n?

@muratkaanmeral2185

3 жыл бұрын

just a feeling i've got

@pmvid

3 жыл бұрын

@@jayageorge4278 I dunno,

@mvl8209

3 жыл бұрын

Windows Troubleshooter feels targeted by this comment

Progress bar: 3 percent complete Estimated finish time: 2 minutes remaining Progress bar: 99 percent complete Also estimated finish time: 22 years remaining

i have watched this video twice, refreshed my youtube recommended 8 times and still every time this video keeps getting recommended to me

Wow, kudos to knowing the exact length of the video WHILST filming..

@electron8262

3 жыл бұрын

That's the perk of filming your video in One Take™

@1xeshm

3 жыл бұрын

@@electron8262 you put a timer behind the camera and when you reach the point you just glance at it and say the time it displays. Cool trick nonetheless.

@thetipsysparrow9552

3 жыл бұрын

@@1xeshm Still had to know how long the whole video will be though, a timer behind the camera can't tell you what the time will be in the future for an unknown video length. Combination of editing start and finish to make sure it fits and rehearsals are the only ways I can think of to do that live

@gabormiklay9209

3 жыл бұрын

Editing can do magic.

@gavintantleff

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabormiklay9209 buuuuut it’s a one take, so there’s no cuts...

“It’ll be wrong, but it’ll be *differently* wrong” -Tom Scott

@ponypapa6785

3 жыл бұрын

few things are better than causing a *different* error than before. specifically when a lot of time has been spont on that one error

@Spikehead777

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I'd rather have something be differently wrong. Usually it means I did something to change the outcome and that potentially leads towards success.

I like the comparison of loading bars being like the queue to a movie or something, reflecting real world incremental improvements the typical user can understand at face value. But filling a glass with water is in itself a smoothly transitioning progress bar we watch in real time, and if it's chunky then you got other problems to worry about.

If you have two machines, you can leave one to process, download or install in its own time while doing something productive on the other computer or device. If you are building or fixing a computer, you may need a second one to display the PDF of the manual, or to search online for how to fix the broken one. And if it's the whole network that is being fixed, then it's time to catch up on something offline, even if it's just making yourself a nice cup of tea.

"Are you done?" "No." "When will you be done?" "I won't know until I'm done."

@thunder_bird0012

2 жыл бұрын

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@varindred

2 жыл бұрын

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@Shadhooe

2 жыл бұрын

....

@lucianomachado8345

2 жыл бұрын

.....

@parcivalnayuta

2 жыл бұрын

......

Vista: "Estimating time remaining..." *2 hours later* Vista: "Estimating time remaining..." Vista: "0 seconds remaining" *Task finishes*

@FalconFlurry

3 жыл бұрын

At least your task finished, legend says there are Vista computers out there that are still estimating the time remaining

@mojave5661

3 жыл бұрын

haha funny because vista bad.. get it?

@0_-

3 жыл бұрын

I think the disk can go faster but it'll take time to get to it's max speed at that current time

@krinkrin5982

3 жыл бұрын

That particular issue is because the system is indexing files and it can take ages to do just that.

@Menjoood

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the Vista experience of everyone who've never used Vista.

One of the most underappreciated technological advancements is the way loading times are becoming largely redundant now. The pain we used to go through in the 80's, 90's and 2000's has largely been resolved. Think cassette games on your Spectrum, Dial Up Internet, Firing Up Windows or downloading an MP3 or updating your phone software and I bet you can remember the horror when they went wrong. Things are so much speedier and reliable now, that for many, they're barely noticeable. The fret of worrying about whether something will work or load has largely subsided and for that, I think we should be eternally grateful.

Now I really want to get in line for the UFO experience.

Google Chrome has once shown me "8 years left" as the remaining time for a download. Sure, I can wait!

@CrazyMazapan

3 жыл бұрын

It's because it's Chrome. Too busy collecting your personal information to do the job. ;)

@pmvid

3 жыл бұрын

Premiere once showed me 939281827478383:23:07

@julius855

3 жыл бұрын

Steam users: PATHETIC

@Pmf95k

3 жыл бұрын

Super Smash Bros shows “280 hours left”

@Bentroen_

3 жыл бұрын

@@julius855 Oh, I get this all the time as well. My theory is that they keep calculating the "rolling average" even when the download is idle due to some external factor (i.e. the disk is busy so Steam can't write files to it), but they still proceed to throw those zeros into the calculation and you get "more than one year left".

Knowing the exact video length a minute into a five minute one-take video is a solid flex 💪

@justcallmenoah5743

3 жыл бұрын

Honest

@m-th

3 жыл бұрын

And also just casually mentioning the exact time you have currently spoken at the right time. Takes no effort at all, slap it in there!

@ROCK-rd3hs

3 жыл бұрын

Well it didn't really matter on the take. Man's gotta adjust that in the outro though

@greentjmtl

3 жыл бұрын

Probably just the camera screen flipped towards the front.

@gabedamien

3 жыл бұрын

My favorite thing about the video! Though it's not exactly difficult, just needs a little prep (rehearsal + timer + note down milestones, or even better, code up a simple scrolling teleprompter with time display). Intro and outro clips also afford some padding for wiggle room.

Your videos are extremely interesting. The way you compose them is very good. I encourage you to keep working. Thanks for the content, Tom! Congrats!

really clear and interesting. Thanks!!

Checkout lines at the supermarket ARE the real life progress bars. You think that they're only a couple of shoppers ahead of you remaining but then one of them spends eons on counting their coupons and/or "remembering" to get one more thing and disappearing into the aisles!

@Milamberinx

3 жыл бұрын

Did they have to take a boat to get to the isles?

@stevencraeynest7729

3 жыл бұрын

or the cashier's shift ends suddenly

@geshtu1760

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly - and wondering whether to switch to a different checkout is like deciding whether to cancel the download and try again from a different server

@dananskidolf

3 жыл бұрын

All these things sound like problems from back in the "human cashier" days.

@canis_lupus2220

3 жыл бұрын

​@21st Century Socialist Cannot happen here, because every scanned item needs to go into the weighing area before it lets you scan the next. But I agree, I take longer at the self-checkout than a trained cashier would take to mark my items. So the waiting time becomes an important factor when choosing between the two options.

how you managed to time this single uncut monologue and casually describe the exact length of the video is a subtle nod to the pre production behind these videos. Great job as always Tom and team!

@wariolandgoldpiramid

3 жыл бұрын

I don't even understand how they managed to pull it off.

@Megaranator

3 жыл бұрын

@@wariolandgoldpiramid they used very good estimate and then they can hide the few seconds of error behind edits.

@rei-rei

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of Tim Minchin's Three Minute Song

@Josh-ui7nq

3 жыл бұрын

The outro had some leeway when it cut out, also the endcard could be increased/reduced. Also practice

@michaeljones5681

3 жыл бұрын

@@Josh-ui7nq yes the Tom loading screen could also have been cut out if really that close

I absolutely love the ending well done.. well done

Great explanation and great ending :)

Steam: "installing.. estimated 0 seconds remaining." *1 minute later*

@mirjanbouma

3 жыл бұрын

I've had the opposite: download time remaining: 3 years. Spoiler: it did not take three years. It was less than 15 minutes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@TaijiArban

3 жыл бұрын

Same with valorant update: More than a year. I even saw some program say incalculable.

@AgentxRyan

3 жыл бұрын

@@TaijiArban lmao that reminds me Windows once said that Valorant took up 3.4 terabytes of space (visual glitch) when it really took up like 13gb

@kasane1337

3 жыл бұрын

I get that so often. Usually it sits at "0 seconds remaining" for at least 2 min.

@safe-keeper1042

3 жыл бұрын

@@AgentxRyan not progress bar-related, but your comment reminds me of installing an old game on a modern computer and the install program telling me the computer might not be able to run the game because it required 32 MB of RAM and I had only 4 GB.

My favorite progress bars also have the optional "Details" feed that prints what's been happening. Seeing a lot of text print really quickly gives a satisfying indicator that "things are happening!"

@doomse150

3 жыл бұрын

If the detailed log is really detailed, this could actually slow down progress, because displaying stuff on screen also takes time

@pacifico4999

3 жыл бұрын

@Ezequiel Ciamparella it will take the same time with dummy text or meaningful text. Printing on console is the slow part, if you do it too much.

@doomse150

3 жыл бұрын

@Ezequiel Ciamparella What Pacífico said

@ABaumstumpf

3 жыл бұрын

​@@doomse150 Depends - but just 1-2 lines per Second will have no noticeable impact unless you are really really bad at your job (or a web"developer").

@MrTyrellcorp

3 жыл бұрын

@@ABaumstumpf 1 or 2 lines in a loop can really slow things down tho

Loved the video! Thanks!

Probably the most tom Scott video of all Tom Scott videos.

Even an actual queue acts like loading bars, many people just go straight through and then there’s one person who takes forever

@jackw7714

3 жыл бұрын

At the cash machine there is always that person who acts like they've never used one before

You always gotta love seeing “ETA: 11960 hours 28 minutes 54 seconds”

@0_-

3 жыл бұрын

What does ETA mean?

@heck_n_degenerate940

3 жыл бұрын

@@0_- ETA stands for estimated time of arrival, in this case it’s the amount of time the computer thinks will take for something to download.

@brethebird3148

3 жыл бұрын

37 seconds later *task complete*

@wesleymays1931

3 жыл бұрын

ETA 2147483648 hours

@Penguinking9466

3 жыл бұрын

Or like 99+ hours

Gotta love it when the time left goes from 2 minutes left to 10 days left

the fun thing is that... sometimes the progress bar is independent of the job that's being done. it's just an animation to trick the user into believing that something is being done, even if that something got stuck for some reason and will never finish.

@euckb

Жыл бұрын

Looking at CCleaner.

I was friends with a computer genius as a kid, and his parents always had the cutting edge tech to play around with. One thing I remember him saying is "When I grow up and program games, I'm going to make a load bar that runs smoothly." That was his one mission in life, haha.

@Josh-ez1bt

3 жыл бұрын

i hope that guy becomes successful

@leonardofranzinribeiro4220

3 жыл бұрын

I wish him well on his crusade for the perfect loading bar

@farisfaikar_r

3 жыл бұрын

We'll watch his carrier with great interest

@inolongerusethisaccount4004

3 жыл бұрын

The quest for the perfect progress bar

@magi1134

3 жыл бұрын

My idea is the active colored part moving smoothly, but the size of the end extends itself if the loading is buffering

When my torrent downloads shows _"63 years remaining"_ I'm like "great, I'll leave it downloading and come back when I'm 84." Ten minutes later: _" seeding"_

@laurinneff4304

3 жыл бұрын

Always love it when that happens. One time I got like 500 bytes per second. It hurt, but at least the download wasn't completely stalled

@dylanwhitney8889

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing worse than going back to check on the download and seeing that it's on 99% but all the seeders are gone😂

@kaitlyn__L

3 жыл бұрын

@@laurinneff4304 I always increase my seed ratio like 10-100x higher than my default limit when that happens, hoping to offset the ppl that just leech, and maybe ultimately bringing the speed a bit higher for later ppl

@jaakkopontinen

3 жыл бұрын

Heh is Bittorrent still a thing? Been years since I last saw these terms used :) Seeding! Had forgotten! And share ratio!

@donnawander7710

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaakkopontinen yep! it gets used for linux ISOs quite frequently

Well done great job explaining it

Progress bar at the store checkout queue: one person is buying 3 items, the next has a whole cartful, the third's using a credit card that's wonky and has to be tried several tines,# 4an elderly person counting out the change one penny at a time, kinda different speed per person.

The progressbar type I hate is the quick or smooth type, but just takes forever to confirm the last % because it skipped all of the other 99 bc of the smoothness

@Noone-of-your-Business

3 жыл бұрын

YES! YES! YES!!!!

@tomihawk01

3 жыл бұрын

Search in Windows Explorer does this and I hate it.

@Henning_S.

3 жыл бұрын

Windows Updates do this

The real pain is when it starts going backwards.

@tk36_real

3 жыл бұрын

Hello there

@dabs4270

3 жыл бұрын

@@tk36_real general Kenobi

@31ll087

3 жыл бұрын

@@tk36_real General Kenobi

@kislayanand4641

3 жыл бұрын

"I've come to bargain"

@dabs4270

3 жыл бұрын

@@kislayanand4641 no, you came here to be general Kenobi

Well that was quite informative, thank you for the video

imagine the progress bar in the title actually started to move, I would freak the fck out

“it’ll still probably be wrong... just differently wrong!” is a perfect explanation of me going back to check my answers on a math test

@shakir_ahmad

3 жыл бұрын

Your comment is the reason why I like internet.

I remember back in the 2000's , the bars had little reference and animation. So I would put my cursor lined up with the bar to see if it was moved.

@igorthelight

3 жыл бұрын

+1

@ardenkel1127

3 жыл бұрын

Waaaay before that. I did it in Norton Commander days...

@johnme60

3 жыл бұрын

yup😂😂 , I did the similar , I used to remember like: " it was below the letter "e" , now it has moved from there.

@clockworkkirlia7475

3 жыл бұрын

I remember doing the same!

@kirishima638

3 жыл бұрын

Haha same

Gotta love that reference to the invention of the progress bar at the end there.

Tom is proof that knowledge is the coolest thing

Me downloading a game off the PlayStation store: "Download will be complete in 50 minutes... 3 hours... 20 minutes.... 30 minutes... it's done."

@moreuse

3 жыл бұрын

then its stuck at "Copying...." for hours

@ahmed4363

3 жыл бұрын

You guys have anything other than a samsung s3?!

@ahmed4363

3 жыл бұрын

And GOOD INTERNET?!!

@miningmonkey1

3 жыл бұрын

@@moreuse yes

@no1DdC

3 жыл бұрын

It took me three days to download all the updates for Gran Turismo 6 on PS3 - with a freakin' 300 Mbit/s connection. I was using the disc copy, I might add. Why? Because someone at Sony decided that the best way to deliver updates on that system was by having each individual update install separately. This is a minor annoyance with a game that has received its normal three to five patches over its lifespan, but with GT6, this meant installing 22 patches, one after the other, each of them at least hundreds of megabytes large on a system with a hard drive that would have been slow in 2006 and a processor that is fine in a supercomputer, but utterly incapable of quickly decompressing large amounts of data. And the system inevitably failed at installing some of these patches, even crashed during one over night download session, because it's from 2006 and Sony's engineers were taking crazy pills at the time, so I had to delete everything and restart again twice. Those three days were the successful installation run and don't include previous failed ones. Naturally, Sony's servers were also slow as hell, for some reason, which didn't make it any faster. Let's just say the PS3 is the last Sony console I've ever bought. The game's great though and it was totally worth the effort, but holy hell, what a nightmare.

I know you could easily just look at a timer but I was honestly more impressed at your 1:24 callout than the "this video has 10,646,282 views" video

@blaster-zy7xx

3 жыл бұрын

It was done by 1) a good estimation of the script length with a few practice runs. 2) Leaving one cut at the intro to slide the body of the video up or down the timeline to have his callout match the timecode.

@brodiebligh4828

3 жыл бұрын

@@blaster-zy7xx Or there was just a clock next to the camera

@wojtek4p4

3 жыл бұрын

Probably a teleprompter and a timer. And experience. And a few retakes.

@CoffeePoints

3 жыл бұрын

And the nothingness at the end of the video. Just add the required amount of seconds needed to make the prediction accurate

@ekevanderzee9538

3 жыл бұрын

Stopwatch and a buffer at the end of the video so the final length could be edited precisely.

You did not search for this video, it was randomly recommended.😑

This is the most brilliant video ending on KZread EVER. Period.

I'm sure we've all done this, placed our mouse cursor right at the current position of a progress bar, so we can see if it's actually moving when we check on it again after some arbitrary amount of time.

@roietbd2992

3 жыл бұрын

Not okay, boomer.

@fk0692

3 жыл бұрын

@@roietbd2992 you on mobile or something? everyone does that!

@rukevweb5674

3 жыл бұрын

@@roietbd2992 Shut tf up

@user-zl1fx3lw9c

3 жыл бұрын

I have made a game out of keeping my cursor _just_ out of reach of the bar, and keeping it as close as can be without touching it. The suspense of 'will I have to move my cursor some second in the next hour?' really helps time pass.

@yplokalaileekai7106

3 жыл бұрын

i put my finger and always thought i moved it and the bar hasn't moved

I like it when they include something like a "3/16 modules loaded" or scroll names of current operations in plain text ( more common on linux machines) its a much more tactile sense that the machine is continuing to work, and seems a little more reassuring.

@sulevturnpuu5491

3 жыл бұрын

And then the Everquest progressbar started telling things like 'Attaching beards to dwarves.'

@Hxrb

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen a post about someone complaining that "Their apps (or website, I forgot) tooks forever to load" and the company decided to do nothing except adding words like "Processing File (abc)..." and "Rendering assets (123)..." under the bar. The same customer said that the loading screen are now faster than before HAHAHA.

@whatis4295

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hxrb One of the beauties of UX. Just add in something to look at and the program appears to be more responsive. It even works for people who knows how that trick.

@fissure256

3 жыл бұрын

@@sulevturnpuu5491 Or the classic "reticulating splines" from SimCity 2000

@lukmly013

3 жыл бұрын

@@whatis4295 Yes. Like turning on Linux machine. How it feels normally: 5 minutes How it feels when I hit arrow: 10 seconds

Tom Scott tells me things I didnt even know I really wanted to know

When loading gmod, we knew something was wrong when the icon actually spun like it was designed to

"It will be differently wrong." I'll use that when I don't want to admit when someone is more correct.

@MrC0MPUT3R

3 жыл бұрын

I use something similar in programming. If I can get a program that was failing to fail differently, then I've learned something.

"Maybe the computer just thinks it needs maintainance." This guy definitely uses Windows.

@JohnDCrafton

3 жыл бұрын

ikr Like for example, Background Intelligent Transfer Service is neither "background" nor "intelligent." I'm actively using my PC, watching streaming video or whatever, then BITS kicks on and suddenly my ability to do anything on the internet dissipates. It literally uses all of my bandwidth and the only solution is to stop the service.

@SimonBuchanNz

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDCrafton if it helps, BITS is the downloading part of Windows Update, so I wouldn't leave it disabled! Check updates in settings next time to see if it's an update you can pause instead maybe, and if there's any options in update scheduling that seem wrong? Keep in mind it doesn't have much of an option if you're literally turning your PC on, watching a video then turning it off, for example, but even then the impact shouldn't be that big.

@sonicruled

3 жыл бұрын

Me: Oh sht I have a school test I need to do Windows: Update go brrrr Also windows 1 hour later: "Couldnt install update"

@JohnDCrafton

3 жыл бұрын

@@SimonBuchanNz I don't disable the service, I just stop it. It restarts itself eventually.

@JohnDCrafton

3 жыл бұрын

@@SimonBuchanNz It doesn't help that I only have 1.5 Mbps download. My ISP sucks. But it's not my ISP's fault that Windows believes it needs all of my 1.5 Mbps to download updates "in the background".

those edits are really great