I have wanted to make a long-tail essay on this topic for awhile, and am very happy with how this came out! Super excited to share it with y'all! But what are your thoughts on the band Liturgy, and Haela? Do you like them, hate them, neutral and don't care? Be sure to let me know down below!!!!!!! Can't wait to hear it. Stay heavy, keep it metal, rock on, and have yourselves a fantastic rest of your day or night, depending on which sliver of the world you come from!!!!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

@bryanmcfadden4071

Жыл бұрын

New Bell 🔔 Witch released, want to talk about the new release Tempest? Good episode my man 👍

@FILIOUS_DEO_FRATER_UT_SATANAS

6 ай бұрын

HHHe is a male cross-dresser, not a woman in any legit sense. Understanding what a woman is and what a transvestite is hardly amounts to bigotry or hatred.

@yallgottaunderstand

6 ай бұрын

@@FILIOUS_DEO_FRATER_UT_SATANAS wow so brave

@FILIOUS_DEO_FRATER_UT_SATANAS

6 ай бұрын

@@yallgottaunderstand Was that your best shot, little incel?😂

@ravenna-x-w

5 ай бұрын

Love the music of Liturgy, but Haela is weird as shit. And this comes from another transcendental trans girl who shares the name Ravenna with her. She's the only other one I've heard of. Fascinating, as you say, but... fuckin' crazy. Faetooth, Pupil Slicer, Feminazgul, or underscores, also great music but not biblically delusional.

One thing that's always grossed me out with the Liturgy hate is how in like any other situation where a black metal musician/band has objectionable opinions on anything you're always gonna hear about how you're a huge pussy or whatever if you can't get past it, and it's often about shit like nazism/racism/nationalism, or even pedophilia in some more extreme circumstances. But then, HHH is just strident about her opinions on black metal and comes out as trans and everyone starts shitting their pants and their ability to "separate the art from the artist" goes completely out the door. THEREFORE, Liturgy really does a lot to highlight the clear right-wing bias within black metal and how lots of peoples' ability to separate the art from the artist only goes but so far, despite their wanting you to believe otherwise. I know that those aren't the only reasons people hate Liturgy, but any honest person can look at Liturgy's whole situation over the years and know that HHH's gender identity/sexuality/philosophy at least a huge reason for a large amount of the hate. I love black metal as a whole, like even a lot of the more objectionable stuff, and love Liturgy's music too. I think HHH is extremely precocious and of course I don't like to see someone openly bringing Christianity into black metal. BUT you really gotta respect her for being as brave as she is and doing something truly different. If one of the main points of black metal is transgression, you have to admit that she's done a 10/10 job of transgressing... the irony of people hating her for that is very rich, and I think any honest person who knows the whole situation should be able to admit that. P.S., awesome video, thanks for tackling the subject thoughtfully and expressing opinions that aren't always well-taken within metal!!!

@OGbrundle

6 ай бұрын

cry about it

@TheRandomhobo123

4 ай бұрын

@@OGbrundleAre you sure that’s not what you’re doing?

I thought Aesthethica was interesting, if a little rough around the edges. The Ark Work was disappointing, but they really hit their stride with HAQQ. It's been great seeing the band come into its own over the years, and I think they've really outdone themselves with the last album.

Hello, I'm from Brazil, I stumbled across your video doing research on the band liturgy (which I ended up getting to know through youtuber anthony fantano). You are to be congratulated, you speak clearly and objectively, and you manage to keep people very attentive to what you are saying. Keep up the great work, it was a great help in my research. A hug from Brazil (note: I used google translator kakakakak)

@Calebeferrando

6 ай бұрын

achei um brasileiro nos comentários , que satisfação , tenho a mesma opinião que a sua 💪

Off topic note, but I'm extremely sorry that you got so much backlash and hate for wearing a woman's shirt. It's really infuriating whenever I'm watching a KZread video that was created by someone who is a part of the LGBTQIA+ community or a video regarding anything that has to do with the community and seeing endless amount of bigotry in the comments. It makes me sick and I wish nothing but the worst for those kinds of people.

I liked liturgy's greg fox era, had some decent stuff. I think the main reason I'm not too big on Liturgy is because hhh is the heiress to an old money east coast oil empire. Her family is worth est $15 billion, i mean they own a football team too lol, look it up. I think liturgy is case and point a "don't ask the musician why her parents' names are in blue on Wikipedia" band. That being said, the amount of hate from the metal community is pretty fucking horrible to say the least

@helloface001

4 ай бұрын

that's insane, i had no idea about this. i wonder how HHH feels about this considering a lot of her philosophy is tinged with marxism

Yeah... transphobia in metal community, seen it enough. In personal metal life my friends say: "You are a man? Right?" "Well yeah and no, dosent matter to me what you call me" And the best ive gotten is that weird face *what is he saying*. I never checked Liturgy out, but seems like insanity that i love and dwell in. Great vid!

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

Yikes...yeah, i've personally faced so much shit in this niche and I don't even publicize my real labels and keep my personal life under wraps and I still get called a slur or two regularly lmao. It's really sad to see. :( hope you're doing well

@dagothdaddyur

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMetalTempestYT Even with a terrible health condition that im in, i am in best time of my life right now. About labels... I never cared and any is good for me, but you have a KZread channel and that's a whole diffrent world. Thanks for such a sweat comment!

@ZachGatesHere

Жыл бұрын

On the topic of LGBTQ+ metal I seriously recommend Body Void, an absolutely stunning project.

I want to admit something: when HHH came out as a transgender woman, to me, all of her beliefs expressed through her lyrics and her manifestoes all of a sudden made sense to me. It was very clear that her music and art is very much seen through a feminine perspective, one that was really closeted for a long, long time. Plus, pre-transition,she already had long hair, so she looks very very natural as her true self (if I am being bigoted unintentionally, let me know and I’ll change that observation). I think she is a bit of a genius, myself!

@miguel213

Жыл бұрын

What you are saying makes sense to me as well.

@delibellus

6 ай бұрын

i find liturgy's manifesto very masculine, though. if we're going to use the old masculine-feminine symbolism in western spirituality... hunt-hendrix has many things that have been clasically classified as masculine, such as the energic vanguardism. but not presenting those features couldn't be a decisive sign of being a woman, so...

Not heard of this band before, but they sound absolutely fascinating. To be honest, I grew away from metal at the end of the 80's, because it was becoming so inward looking musically - everything sounded the same, and any deviation was attacked. Top that with the 'schoolboy trying to upset their parents' lyrical content, and I just found myself not that bothered about listening anymore. HOWEVER, with the likes of Lingua Ignota and Zeal And Ardor on the scene, metal seems to be getting really interesting again - maybe it has been for a while and I just haven't been around to notice, my bad. I'll be checking out Liturgy, thanks, and if you (or anyone) happens to have any recommendations for metal that is forging its own musical path, I'd appreciate recommendations, thanks.

@b.m.s.821

4 ай бұрын

Try Oranssi pazuzu, Amenra, Omega Massif, Zu, Akhlys, Aoratos, The Dillinger Escape Plan...

@NessNayii

4 ай бұрын

@@b.m.s.821 thank you for the recommendations, I'll give them all a go!

I like Liturgy, and I also like bands like Vile Creature and Feminazgul. Then again, I like a wide variety of music types; metal and non-metal. Just in case you weren't aware of it, there's a Bandcamp project called Black Metal Rainbows (they've subsequently made a book under the same title) which contains tracks from several queer and left-leaning bands. Along the topic of a "one band genre/subgenre," the band Tragedy out of NYC labels their music "disco metal" (there might be other DM bands, but I'm not aware of any).

@wheelsofmercury

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been wanting to get the black metal rainbows book for a while!

@Cybermudgeon

Жыл бұрын

@@wheelsofmercury Earlier this year PM Press hosted a webinar by the authors. Here's a link to the recorded video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZpN3r8qmXZDZZ6g.html

I saw liturgy open for amenra in San Diego. I think most people didn’t know who they were but it was quite interesting

Liturgy have always just sounded like a lighter Evilfeast to me.

I feel bad as someone who has never liked Liturgy all that much because it's impossible to get into discussions of why without chuds speaking up like I give a shit about Hendrix's gender. I just always found the project pretentious with no substance under it, going from a mid-grade blackgaze band to a mid-grade avant garde outfit that spends more time LOOKING profound and artistic than having any actual depth. The transition I fear had the effect of removing nuance from the debate so now a lot of people see it as a case of making a statement for or against Hendrix as a human being rather than just the Liturgy project.

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. And in general, you can dislike the music and it not have anything to do with the gender debate, I think people forget that. Sadly, I think the biggest thing I tried to make a point of here, is people that already hated the music used it as further ammo, and wrote her off entirely. They already saw her as kookie, since the pretentious label had been sunken into her for awhile by detractors. And so when she became something they hated as well, it fueled the flames of their hatred FOR her because of it. That's totally valid to just, not like her or her music or her beliefs, it doesn't have to be a personal attack. I think you hit a good point of "l that spends more time LOOKING profound and artistic than having any actual depth." Style over substance, yeah? There are tons of valid reasons to not enjoy the music and personally? I don't really...listen much. I've covered their albums, and have listened to their discography, but they'll never be the first band I reach for. Cheers!

@ZachGatesHere

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMetalTempestYT Agreed all around, and I feel AWFUL for Hendrix that she turned into this flashpoint. Just because I'm not a fan of Liturgy's music doesn't mean I dislike her, and hell I think it's great that she's out there creating something she feels is important.

Ark Work is literally one of my favorite albums ever. Liked how weird and wonky it was, it didnt take itself too seriously which made it more adventurous and experimental.

I like how you pronounce djent :P

Your videos makes me wish that I was more of a metalhead, so I could contribute to the discussion. -:)

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

Aww, thank you so much. I really appreciate the support regardless, means a lot! Cheers! :D If I can help educate and just provide some entertainment and insight, I consider it a job well done!

I loved the video. Just now getting more into the band after being a longtime Melony Headtano fan and seeing his appreciation for them. I agree with what you said in that whenever someone wants to be themselves or try something else, our society has to pin and prick at it over and over again because THAT’S NOT ALLOWED. Originality is a big no-no. This video has made me a subscriber because you seem to know what the fuck you’re talking about.

Huh, I wouldn’t label myself as a metal head (closest I’ve been, a megadeth fan in my teens) but I got recommended exaco 1 on Spotify and I really enjoyed it. Hearing that they’re not a typical band sounds intriguing, so I might have to dive into liturgy’s discography some more

Ok, I never heard about that band. Gonna check them out!

1st I heard from them was HAQQ. This part kzread.info/dash/bejne/n42n0NmYorWqnNo.html reminds me of the sound my computer makes when it blue-screens and the sound card spazzes out. I never expected to hear that sound in an intentional musical context, so that was neat - they had my attention from that moment. They keep my attention by playing good songs, so... yeah. I'm a fan.

I'm not a metal person at all (for what that's worth) but I saw Liturgy perform about five or four or five years ago in Brooklyn, in a small venue, and they were transfixing. Just amazing. I don't tend to listen to them very much but I'd definitely make a point to see them anytime they come to town. (Oh! You mentioned Deafheaven! I really them too, very much! They are actually part of my wide listening rotation.)

When people hate a band it makes me listen to them

Me: *hears "transcendental black metal" over and over again* So.... did she just read Kant and just think the transcendental aesthetic was really neat or something???

They hate Liturgy cause they've been better than every other black metal act since Aesthetica and HHH knew it and wasn't ever afraid to say it.

As a fan of Liturgy, I can understand why so many people criticise them (only when it comes to their musical ethos of course). HHH is surely a bit pretentious, but I like how the music sounds and that's enough for me. Btw I'm a big fan of proper black metal too, so I don't care if it is Aesthethica or Panzerfaust by Darkthrone: I'll just headbang. 🤟

People who hate Liturgy are just WEAK 😤 nah but for real, I get for whom their music is just "not their thing", I like Liturgy personally, but definitely not for everyone

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

That's how I see it, yeah. liking something because it's not your cup of tea is one thing, but people really do some mental gymnastics to hate liturgy for any reason BUT the music itself LOL

@alexddragame

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMetalTempestYT yeah these people are just, I repeat, WEAK, absolutely weakminded no bitches lameos

ion even listen to metal like that but i loved that album with the numbers from this year from liturgy

I saw Liturgy in like 2016. I think I had only heard one song beforehand. They greatly exceeded my expectations. First off, they were so fucking tight it almost sounded like a midi track at times, and their riffs were just... not like anything I'd heard before. Heavy, with some rhythmic similarities to black metal (in the drums and riffs) but the chords were not regular black metal chords, like more screamo-y? Almost uplifting at times? Also quite mathy. They pretty much blew my mind. But I was pretty fucking high on dxm and a took a hit off my friends dab pen so maybe it was just the drugs lol. Best metal bands i've seen: 1. Pyrrhon 2. Liturgy 3. Ostraca 4. Converge 5. Defeated Sanity

I've heard Liturgy for the first time today and I was delighted. I never thought I would be delighted by a "black metal" band. If you take a black metal concert as a ritual, similar to greek tragedy, where you get rid of your anger, hate and disgust through catharsis, I can see why metal fans would feel betrayed. That's just not a part of the deal anymore. Similar thing could be said about affirmation (?) of christianty in a sceen that articulates itself through satanic imagery. The third part being the feeling they are playing with metal more than they are playing metal. And I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. I'm neutral here. Those are the reasons I can see why people would get gatekeepy. Especially if this kind of thing becomes lucrative and floods their festivals. In a sence they have a sceen to "loose". But on the other hand the way she takes tools made for depicting darkness and paints a bright picture (of what? Despair? Mental breakdown? Religious delirium?) I is just fascinating and to be honest funny. I haven't laugh so much since Impaled Nazarene proclaimed themselfs to be fans of nuclear holicaust. And that's not a bad thing for sure. I'm defenetly going to listen to 96396 a few more times and probably through their whole discography too. As I said in the begining, I was delighted.

They ruined BM. I think they’re great.

@morbidhime

6 ай бұрын

Very based of them

@FILIOUS_DEO_FRATER_UT_SATANAS

6 ай бұрын

​@@morbidhimeI'm clearly the first non-buttboy here.

@FILIOUS_DEO_FRATER_UT_SATANAS

4 ай бұрын

@@SlyHikari03 More info, please. Is that good or bad for them?

@Bigjuicydumbdumb

2 ай бұрын

Hardly made a dent

I was just looking to go to a gig tonight in Berlin, saw this band called Liturgy playing and googled a bit to see what they are about, and Trans Black Metal? Awesome, I need to check that out! And now I see it's cancelled 😖 Goddamnit.

The stereotypical black metal purists are some next level cringe beings. They come off as people that literally have no capacity to enjoy music for what it is.

Why people hate Liturgy // A video es-ACK

Like them - even i heard just last album

Trha is trancendental death metal as well.....

Liturgy rocks!

Judging by the comments..I guess Im the only one who thought this was in reference to the brutal death Liturgy that released Dawn of Ash in '04.

Hating is what black metal people do best, so they should be grateful to Liturgy for bringing out the best in them. I don't understand all the fuss about it...

The only reason i really don't care for liturgy is i dislike anything avant garde

Haqq is a 10/10

I'd consider myself an outsider to the the metal music community, but I'm aware of the bigotry within the black metal niche. I have a friend who's in a local black metal band, and he explained to me that some artists within the black metal niche are n*zis or embody other forms of bigotry, and that people who raise their voices against such hatred are often told that they need to just muscle through that stuff if they really want to enjoy black metal. So, if anything, it's nice to see black metal artists who are using their platform for anything that isn't bigotry, you know? And with that in mind, I'm not the least bit surprised that so much of the hate towards this band comes down to the fact that their front-person is transgender. Before I even clicked on this video, I already knew that Haela Hunt-Hendrix's gender identity was going to be one of the reasons. Sadly, I don't think that this is unique to the metal community, either. It breaks my heart to say it, but I believe that a transgender front-person would be on the receiving end of hatred regardless of what genre of music they create. I believe music is supposed to be something that unites us all, a place where the weird, creative people can find their voices and help us look at the world from a different angle, so it's sad that such a unique voice is being dismissed simply because people are afraid of what they don't understand. But, beyond all of that, I think Liturgy is an intriguing band. I've only recently discovered them, mostly because their 2023 album became a topic of discussion within the music forums I participate in, and I've gotta say I've never heard anything like them. I haven't really decided whether their sound appeals to me or not yet (I need to listen to more), but I've watched a few videos of them playing live and they are an extremely gifted group of musicians. They're extremely well-rehearsed, and it's amazing that they're able to execute such technical, lengthy compositions in a live setting. I can't call myself a fan yet, but I'm interested in them, and I get why people like this band. As for Haela herself, I wasn't really aware of any of the philosophical stuff, but I'm not that interested in it. If she wants to host philosophical seminars in the middle of a tour, that's cool, but I think I'll pass in favor of their concerts. When I listen to a band I care about enough, I am interested in learning a bit about who the people in the band are, but there are limits to that. Too much information, and I start to feel like I have some sort of parasocial relationship with the band, and I don't want that. The weirdest thing I found about Haela is that she comes from a billionaire oil tycoon family. That was a bit of a surprise, but the more I look into this band, the more it seems to add up. In terms of sheer numbers (I'm talking social media followers, album streams and downloads, and press), Liturgy isn't anywhere near as popular as other bands who are capable of going on a world tour. Yet, they toured for most of the year in 2023 on their latest record, which is not a possibility for most musicians. There are so many bands which are probably just as talented and innovative as Liturgy, but you will probably never hear about them because they can't afford to tour all the time and market their music at large scales. I want to make it clear that that's not a critique of Liturgy, though. I'm a musician, and you better believe that if my family was made of billionaires that I would use that money to promote the shit out of my music. It's more a critique of the system we live in, which gives limitless advantages to the wealthy while everyone else has to work hard just to survive. Most people can't even afford to play music at all unless they work a shitty job that exploits them, you know? All of that said, I'm glad that Haela Hunter-Hendrix is using her position of privilege to create such strange, genre-bending artwork. And, despite having all the advantages that come with being an oil-tycoon heir, she's obviously still a very hard worker. I don't think that anyone should be a billionaire, but at least she's doing something cool with her money instead of whatever Elon Musk is doing. Tl;dr - The bigotry makes me really sad. This is an intriguing band who is making history whether the sound appeals to you or not. It's true that Haela Hunt-Hendrix comes from a privileged position when it comes to her family's wealth, but I'm glad that she's using that privilege to create such innovative artwork.

I think there are people who see music and art as part of a search for God and there are people who see music as Something Very Cool and that second group of people always seem repulsed when people are noticably trying very hard to accomplish something outside of playing Very Good or being Very Cool. And I think that's really fucking corny. Outside of a handful of artists, I can't think of anyone else trying to make something that has direct and legitimate political, philosophical and religious implications upon the world at large with their art, to where it's not this vain disposable moment of protest where you just show up and show out, amounting to nothing, but an entire framework to creating a system that delegitimizes violence as the operative function of power. It feels so much more pretentious to me to be this cynical nihilist internet arbiter of effortless cool that cringes at anyone trying too hard to find worth or meaning that isn't contingent on the reward of social capital. I wish more people were writing whole religions about why they do what they do. Maybe the world would be a better place if people put the same amount of care into shit as she does. I would be high on myself too if I felt like I had found something real through my art. Something actually worth having faith in in this fucking internet sea of nothing. I would hold onto it and make operas about it and defend it with my life

I think that singer just rubs ppl the wrong way and came on too strong without the chops to back it up. It seems more made for kids that went to Columbia University and also have billionaire parents that never tell them no. Being trans is awesome, but there’s the other aspect of extreme privilege and pretension. Like who else can just hire Steve Albini casually? Also not cool with the christianization of black metal which is what she’s doing.

@khawlskater

Ай бұрын

i just dont get the obsession HHH's fans have with "pissing off elitists" the music isnt even good enough nor is it pushing any type of boundary

@ThomasWake1

Ай бұрын

@@khawlskater right you’re just a reactionary at that point

You shouldn't be allowed to lieten to music if you watch Needle Drop...... But in all seriousness I personally don't like Liturgy because of the way HHH used to hold herself back when I interacted with the music project. I haven't followed or hate followed them since the 2015 so I'm just more neutral twords them. Hell I didn't know HHH is Trans until I heard it mentioned on another video by you. Look if you like them, great. If you don't like them, great. Just don't hate them on the basis of the music or if you don't like HHH's philosophy. Going after something as shallow or low hanging such as being trans just shows that whoever is using that to attack someone is very immature. Stuff like that really shouldn't matter

I love liturgy

I have never heard of them😅

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

LMAO, no worries! Definitely look into them if you want something super different!

I just think it's awful music based on the music itself, whatever the person in the band refers to themselves as does not matter. But if you like it, more power to you.

You accidentally referred to the Liturgy guy as “she” when in reality he’s a dude.

@TheMetalTempestYT

22 күн бұрын

@@CatchmeIfucan-fo2hf wasn't accidental lmao

My friend who was in a Black Metal band in a real band called apotheosis said there is no such thing as transindental black metal also he thinks the lead singer is a f*g for transitioning this is coming from someone who was in an actual black metal band , and I happen to agree.

@TheMetalTempestYT

5 ай бұрын

Agree with both parts or the transcendental black part alone? I can get the first part but the seconds just uncalled for in my opinion

The only Liturgy I know of is the brutal death metal band that has members of the band Brodequin in it… and they friggin CRUSH!

@penisenvy1212

23 күн бұрын

Right on brah brah

Liturgy are fantastic, bm is so stale and samey and they break out of that and make genuinely interesting music

I mean, I'm also trans and can't stand Liturgy or HHH in the slightest. It's very much the result of an incredibly rich artist having little to no actual creative inclination or want to just, you know, make good music. It's avant-garde in the most surface level sense of the word. Also I just refuse to support landlords and/or people whose families own literal major league football teams.

@meatsuit6922

11 ай бұрын

What makes something surface level avant garde? How is some shit like John Zorn's Naked City not surface level avant garde when it is literally copy pasting genres together, meanwhile someone literally created an entire philosophy system behind their music and it's surface level? On top of that, throwing every single person born into money into the garbage is dumb, especially when that person uses their given resources to literally create a Marxist religion???

@meatsuit6922

11 ай бұрын

Please stop using actual surface level leftist justifications to validate erasing things you don't like, it's making everything worse, she is actually coming up with solutions and you are not

@user-ol3rh9oj9q

10 ай бұрын

What an absolute dog shit take 🫵🏾😹

@TheCornfieldGamer

7 ай бұрын

you can hate liturgy's music for any reason, it's subjective of course, but calling them uncreative would be a hard position to argue

Theres a lot of over generalizations in this video and declarations . I would say most people who dislike Hunter for the trans thing is because they think “yeah OF COURSE your trans now” because people think hunter is riding a bandwagon of controversy and just purposely being subversive because Hunter comes off very pretentious herself. As far as bigotry in metal in the modern era, I would have to disagree with your view. I think this is very geographical and depends on the subgenre. You cannot sit there and claim that metal and black metal in a place like portland oregon is going to be anything but accepting and socially progressive. You’re going to find the opposite in places like Poland or Finland. You basically lumped all these different subgenres and regions together as a giant scene and called it currently and historically racist and homophobic when its more nuanced in reality.

Maybe look at why her grandparents name is blue on Wikipedia

@Jesusblowsme666

Жыл бұрын

We can use this same argument with Mgla and their association with NSBM bands and labels. This is a pointless argument to make.

@lesperke

Жыл бұрын

@@Jesusblowsme666Pointless as you bringing MGLA in to this, dosen’t make any sense. Eat the rich, fuck nazis.

@kingnotail3838

9 ай бұрын

So you're saying it's impossible for rich people to make great music? Why?

@puggenton6535

2 ай бұрын

My hot take on this is that it’s about the least awful thing something with her class character can use that family money for, and the fact that she’s a trans woman and an avant garde musician makes her about as much of an ideological enemy to the things her family stood for as possible.

My experience with Black Metal has been sparse and limited to popular Black Metal music released in the 2010s. I'd imagine purests would hate me and everything I represent on the basis that I'm unfamiliar with the legends and things they view as foundational to their genre. Really, I've only listened to Deafheaven, Botanist, and Liturgy. Even then, among these acts, I've enjoyed Liturgy's music the least. The gender identity of Haela Hunt Hendrix is neither here nor there for me. If anything it would make me bias in favor of their art but I just don't find it listenable. It annoys me. Not only that but this sonically garish music has an additional incoherent philosophy/religious perspective piled onto it. Isn't Black Metal supposed to be Satanic? Why is she advocating for this new sacred "God" trinity that she's amalgamated from Christianity and other religions? Not only this but in the video where she presents her conception of "God", I worry she is unwell throughout. Liturgy to me is a calamity and I don't know how to comment on it other than to say it's not very worthwhile or good.

@milannovotny2085

6 ай бұрын

Not necessarily Satanic, many of them are into Norse, Slavic and other Paganism, they can also be atheist or not care about religion at all. Christianity is just another religion on the table, don't see any issue here

Anything that pisses black metal elitists is automatically top tier

The reason metalheads hate Liturgy is because metalheads have a very narrow taste in music, and if a band is not doing the exact same thing every metal band has been doing for the past 3 decades, and instead is exploring and pushing rhe boundaries of what this genre can truly be capable of, they whine about it. I’ve been around metalheads my entire life. I know. Personally I love metal and I’ve always felt it has so much unexplored emotional potential Kuz all the metal world cares about is their music just being the same 4 ideas/emotions/themes/aesthetics that have dominated metal for decades. Bands like Liturgy, and many other more experimental metal bands, have been demonstrating that metal can be vast, creative, diverse and most importantly, a cataclysmically powerful vehicle for a wide range of human emotional expression.

@antimessiah666

3 ай бұрын

Maybe Liturgy just sounds like diarrhea

@the.bloodless.one1312

3 ай бұрын

@@antimessiah666 you sound like a 12 year old. I won’t even retaliate.

Liturgy sucks, simple as

You can call Liturgy post black metal if you want but it's just not black metal. You can call me a gate keeper but we can't be 100 inclusive because that'll just create chaos. We need to set the standards and well... Liturgy is just not black metal

@kingnotail3838

9 ай бұрын

So what you're saying is that extreme music needs strictly-defined rules? OK, champ...

@FaustNemesis

9 ай бұрын

@@kingnotail3838 Better question would be what it doesn't need and that's intruders who do not understand the music itself and try to redefine it without stopping to think about anything

Hunter wants to be the next Chuck Schuldiner sooo badly.

I saw/heard them for the first time around 2015, when they toured with Lightning Bolt. Greg Fox was still in the band. They were absolutely incredible. One of the best unexpected first live experiences with a band I’ve ever had. Hunter does seem like a pretentious twat though, so Trans stuff aside, I can understand why so many people hate them. BM is full of these kinds of strong personalities though, so who cares.

When you hear things like “ rhythm isn’t important”. I’m done.

I just sat through HAQQ.. im not into death metal.. but I feel like at some point your not making music anymore.. your just randomly throwing sounds together. It reminded me of hearing a baby cry for 8 minutes.. just uncomfortable to experience. I am not a musician.. but I feel confident I could recreate a sensory experience like that by screaming into a microphone while banging on pots and pans and smacking a guitar.. because its not treading a line between chaos and order.. its just verged head first into total chaos.. its a cacophony of random sound. If thats your cup of tea, great.. but I think you could get that anywhere.. why not go listen to the sound of a highway or a train slamming on its brakes?

I don't hate Liturgy, I just think HHH is extremely cringe, even more cringe than most BM bands

Any band that pushes an art form and pisses off the purists is doing gods work imo.

I just want to add that when HHH was getting dunked on all the time, he wasn't trans. His hype had died down long before that

@the.bloodless.one1312

8 ай бұрын

*she

@Bigjuicydumbdumb

2 ай бұрын

@the.bloodless.one he*

Idk he makes good music. I'll listen

6:56 BM, as a whole, is pretentious to begin with fwiw

Liturgy is hated? transgenderism? Idk bud but I think you have something against trans people. If something, I have only read positive comments on this band

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

Haha, well, considering I am LGBTQ+ myself, I very, very much do not, and if anything, think the treatment is disgusting. And while there is a lot of positivity, there is SO much hatred across forums and comment sections whenever I have seen a new record come out. Think you misinterpreted where I was coming from. You might be in a place where the fanbase is not hostile, but considering I try my best to see all spectrums and corners of stuff, and am constantly surrounded by it, I've seen some heinous things in this community both towards me, and other people within the community. I was talking/using terms that I've seen used BY the haters, to describe why they hate. So this is all 'devil's advocate' but not in the advocate way, lmao

@thewitchpolyglot6625

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMetalTempestYT ok sorry to misinterpret

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

@@thewitchpolyglot6625 No no you're totally fine, just wanted to clarify. Because if anything, I've made quite a bit of pro-LGBTQ+ content and have even come out a couple times on various channels/been vocal about my experiences, because sadly this niche just doesn't have the kind of representation needed to make those type of people feel safe. and considering this niche is notoriously leaning right, traditionalist, older, etc, there are a lot of misguided opinions. Personally, I feel like someone should be a person before a label, and this channel will always be a safespace for any sort of person, as long as you're not hurting anyone.

I don’t think there’s as much homophobia and transphobia in the metal community as you would think. I just believe we are a group of people who don’t like being told what we should accept and what we must do, and we all know that we’ve been told for years now that we must accept transsexuals and we must accept homosexuals. We live in a world now where depending where you live a person can be charged with a hate crime just for disagreeing with this philosophies. So I think that’s why we push back so hard. It’s because we’re being pushed upon

@gelatobenne4342

21 күн бұрын

Bro made a whole video about your comment lol

I have mixed opinions on transgenderism. When I was first introduced to the concept I had less shock than most, I honestly did not care and kind of thought it was cool. The problem is that meeting trans people made ne resent them. If someone is trans and is chill I have no problem, but in my personal experience (with big emphasis on personal and experience) every trans person that came into my life was a negative figure, being the kid who tells mom. I once was banned from a group because I laughed at an edgy joke another member made (laughing is something involuntary) and the trans of the group was the one who told the leaders of the group by making a huge tantrum. This is only one of my experiences. This is not because trans is part of LGBT, I've met gay, lesbian and bisexual people and they have all kinds of people, yes I've met PC LGBs, but I've also met edgy ones and ones in between. I cannot say I hate all of them, or the concept by itself, but I cannot make myself publically condone them as I fear I am reaffirming people like the ones I've met.

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

That's the best thing about talking about these issues...it's so broad. And in general, sadly the extremists are the ones that get a voice. As someone on numerous spectrums, and with a ton of colorful friends, many of which are trans/enby, etc, most are just trying to exist in peace. They don't want special treatment like the major news stations cover. If anything, they're 10x more scared of the world than the world is scared of them. You have to take it with a grain of salt. Because we all have our demons to fight, and unfortunately, trans people just fight a lot more uphill battles in modern society for existing in such a split world, especially when parental figures are unaccepting, the online spaces are toxic, and real life is dangerous. There are tons of amazing LGBTQ+ people, and plenty of bad, just like any other group. It's just easy to parrot talking points from these news outlets because people don't know any better, and won't educate themselves/listen to anything other than their own beliefs.

@bazookaman1353

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMetalTempestYT I see, you have a point. You have a really open mind, you hearted and answered to a comment you disagree with on a very controversial and personal topic, I have huge respect for that. One awesome and underrated channel, been watching since the Bell Witch video was randomly recommended.

@TheMetalTempestYT

Жыл бұрын

@@bazookaman1353 Thank you so much! I will always tackle controversial topics and have a discussion, because that's what I seek to do on this platform. I love reviews, don't get me wrong, but I want to make videos just as much on the philosophy of why people think the way they do, and make people think about the music they listen to. I want to make an impact with my platform, and I'll always love a good discussion, even if we disagree! Two respectful sides conversing about a topic they disagree on is amazing, especially when you learn more about the other side in the process! Thanks so much for the support!

@bazookaman1353

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMetalTempestYT I came for the review but stayed for the philosophy. Lots of channels do reviews so you stand out. I've found your reviews very modest despite the controversial topics.

Do your thing, but it ain’t black metal. It always sounds like a jumbled mess. No riffs, no cohesion.

This video is a whole lot of cope lol

no transphobia at all. their music just suck

Death Metal Liturgy is leagues better than that hipster Math Rock shit from Brooklyn. They're a math rock band pretending to be "white metal". Also, HUNTER IS A GUY.

Theyre my fav band