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While I generally agree with the notion of 'separating the art from the artist' in the case of NSBM and other similar musical genres this is simply impossible. The only differences between NSBM and other BM are the lyrics and imagery. If there were other differences like in the music itself, production, etc, than there would have been something to talk about. However without them what makes NSBM NSBM *are* the artists, who put their personal beliefs front and center in their art, so it's impossible to separate them. Now, that's not to say that everyone who listens to NSBM automatically subscribes to this ideology, far from it. The way I see it there are 2 camps in NSBM fans. The first camp are those that are truly enthralled by the ideology. The second camp are those that are just enjoying the lyrics for what they are, another form of extreme darkness, not all that different from extreme violence and gore like say Cannibal Corpse or the even more extreme bands that followed them, goregrind and all that. There's a lot to say about the NS ideology itself, and the people who subscribe to it, most of whom don't even know what NS actually stands for. Most of them only know what they heard from *insert random, often nefarious source here* who may or may not have been representing the actual NS ideology truthfully, regardless of what we think of the actual ideology itself. The issue is that regardless of whether a NS subscriber actually understands what NS stood for or not, said person does have an understanding of what s/he thinks it does based on whichever source introduced him/her to the NS movement initially. This thinking, even if not what NS was originally, does reflect what NS has become in modern times. A black hole of unending hatred towards anyone and everyone, often including themselves, born out of nothing but utter ignorance. You're giving them way too much credit Imho by talking about their pagan roots, connection to the land, ancestors, etc. These people do exist mind you, but they're a separate group than the NS crowd. There obviously is some overlap between the 2 groups but they are 2 different groups with 2 different, arguably parallel, ideologies. Paganism on its own doesn't necessitate blind hatred towards everyone that isn't you or the group you belong to. It's just that people can subscribe to multiple different ideologies, especially when they're dealing with different issues, on different planes(mathematical term). Back to NSBM, there is no issue with the people who just enjoy it for the music, or even for the lyrics, as long as they don't act upon them. After all a lot of people have all sorts of whacky fantasies, which can include vulgar crimes like rapes, murders, etc. These fantasies, while far from ideal obviously, are not dangerous in and of themselves. It's only when the person having these fantasies becomes unstable enough to actually act upon these fantasies that s/he becomes dangerous. It's only those very specific NS communities that use NSBM as a recruitment tool for their cult(in essence) that are the truly dangerous ones. Now, these communities will exist with or without NSBM, so the only actual risk here is people who were otherwise not at all interested in NS who became fascinated by it because of the music and got dragged deep into that rabbit hole to the point where they're now very much a part of it and can no longer escape it(whether they actual want to or not). Likewise I wholeheartedly agree with you on the free speech aspect of it all. I strongly disagree with this ideology but like you I don't think censorship is the answer. In fact I agree with you that censorship only made it worst and is one of the reasons the NS movement has grown so vast in the entire western world. If society wasn't so utterly terrified of dealing with the NS crowd and instead chose the easy way of simply censoring them, out of sight out of mind and all that, than we wouldn't have had this massive problem we have today. Our only point of contention in this regard is in the whole 'educating them' aspect, as many of the disciples of NSBM are well past this point. It may have been possible, decades ago, but the train has already left the station a long time ago and isn't coming back. At this point the only solution is to deal with the leaders of these groups, on a criminal level, and keep close watch on their disciples so that whenever they merely begin to plan an actual violent action against anyone they will immediately be on the police radar and in turn be caught and prosecuted before they can put their plans into action.
While I generally agree with the notion of 'separating the art from the artist' in the case of NSBM and other similar musical genres this is simply impossible. The only differences between NSBM and other BM are the lyrics and imagery. If there were other differences like in the music itself, production, etc, than there would have been something to talk about. However without them what makes NSBM NSBM *are* the artists, who put their personal beliefs front and center in their art, so it's impossible to separate them. Now, that's not to say that everyone who listens to NSBM automatically subscribes to this ideology, far from it. The way I see it there are 2 camps in NSBM fans. The first camp are those that are truly enthralled by the ideology. The second camp are those that are just enjoying the lyrics for what they are, another form of extreme darkness, not all that different from extreme violence and gore like say Cannibal Corpse or the even more extreme bands that followed them, goregrind and all that. There's a lot to say about the NS ideology itself, and the people who subscribe to it, most of whom don't even know what NS actually stands for. Most of them only know what they heard from *insert random, often nefarious source here* who may or may not have been representing the actual NS ideology truthfully, regardless of what we think of the actual ideology itself. The issue is that regardless of whether a NS subscriber actually understands what NS stood for or not, said person does have an understanding of what s/he thinks it does based on whichever source introduced him/her to the NS movement initially. This thinking, even if not what NS was originally, does reflect what NS has become in modern times. A black hole of unending hatred towards anyone and everyone, often including themselves, born out of nothing but utter ignorance. You're giving them way too much credit Imho by talking about their pagan roots, connection to the land, ancestors, etc. These people do exist mind you, but they're a separate group than the NS crowd. There obviously is some overlap between the 2 groups but they are 2 different groups with 2 different, arguably parallel, ideologies. Paganism on its own doesn't necessitate blind hatred towards everyone that isn't you or the group you belong to. It's just that people can subscribe to multiple different ideologies, especially when they're dealing with different issues, on different planes(mathematical term). Back to NSBM, there is no issue with the people who just enjoy it for the music, or even for the lyrics, as long as they don't act upon them. After all a lot of people have all sorts of whacky fantasies, which can include vulgar crimes like rapes, murders, etc. These fantasies, while far from ideal obviously, are not dangerous in and of themselves. It's only when the person having these fantasies becomes unstable enough to actually act upon these fantasies that s/he becomes dangerous. It's only those very specific NS communities that use NSBM as a recruitment tool for their cult(in essence) that are the truly dangerous ones. Now, these communities will exist with or without NSBM, so the only actual risk here is people who were otherwise not at all interested in NS who became fascinated by it because of the music and got dragged deep into that rabbit hole to the point where they're now very much a part of it and can no longer escape it(whether they actual want to or not). Likewise I wholeheartedly agree with you on the free speech aspect of it all. I strongly disagree with this ideology but like you I don't think censorship is the answer. In fact I agree with you that censorship only made it worst and is one of the reasons the NS movement has grown so vast in the entire western world. If society wasn't so utterly terrified of dealing with the NS crowd and instead chose the easy way of simply censoring them, out of sight out of mind and all that, than we wouldn't have had this massive problem we have today. Our only point of contention in this regard is in the whole 'educating them' aspect, as many of the disciples of NSBM are well past this point. It may have been possible, decades ago, but the train has already left the station a long time ago and isn't coming back. At this point the only solution is to deal with the leaders of these groups, on a criminal level, and keep close watch on their disciples so that whenever they merely begin to plan an actual violent action against anyone they will immediately be on the police radar and in turn be caught and prosecuted before they can put their plans into action.
The GOP want us back to the 50's (or in a sense 1850..)
I think there's a difference between mainstream music and mainstream culture. Allow me to elaborate, mainstream music consists of very specific elements that are typically found in very specific genres(pop, rap, hip hop, country to an extent, etc), and perhaps more importantly are targeted at a very specific audience: the lowest common denominator, as in the average joe who mostly listens to music in the background rather than dedicated listening, has no 'proper' listening equipment(good speakers/headphones, etc) and 0 or very little musical knowledge. This is the reason why this type of music is the most popular, as mathematically the lowest common denominator catches the largest amount of people(out of the general population that is). It's also why this type of music tends to be frowned upon by purists of whichever other musical genre, from classical to metal and everything in between. Now, that's not to say that these pop artists don't have musical knowledge, skills, etc, themselves, far from it, I was only talking about their target audience. Mainstream culture on the other hand involves other cultural activities that aren't directly part of the music industry. Sure, the music industry is obviously part of the mainstream culture large, but I'm talking specifically about the non music industry parts of it, whether it's sports, movies and TV shows, etc. This distinction becomes relevant when asking whether metal has ever been in the mainstream. As far as the music mainstream, no never. Metal bands, even the largest ones like Metallica, have never gotten anywhere close to the popularity of the top pop artists, and are of course targeting a very different audience. I know monthly Spotify listeners is far from the best metric, but it does give at least a decent ball park. There is absolutely no comparison between say Metallica and their over 26 million monthly listeners(which is huge by metal standards) and say Taylor Swift's over 97 million(nearly 4 times as many) or Katy Perry's over 58 million(twice as many) listeners, and these statistics are heavily biased in favor of Metallica mind you as most of the people who listen to Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, etc, do so on the radio and other places, not Spotify(lowest common denominator remember...?). However, if you were to take the total amount of listeners for Metallica and for Taylor Swift and divide them by the number of overall listens(to every single song in their Spotify catalog) you'll see that the Metallica listeners listen to many more songs than the Taylor Swift listeners. Just goes to show the differences in the target audience for the 2 groups. However in terms of non musical cultural mainstream, the fact that you can hear songs like Enter Sandman or even Master of Puppets playing during NBA matches, in the stadiums themselves, is the definition of being in the cultural mainstream. Similarly a variety of metal musicians made various appearances on late night shows and other popular non musical mainstream contents. I didn't even mention Doom 2016 and 2019 yet nor all the different films and TV shows that have metal songs in their soundtracks and many other such examples. So how/why does this distinction exist? Because there are different overlaps between the different groups. For example you limit the discussion to only sports fans rather than the general population at large, you'll see that the subgroup of mainstream listeners among them(while still probably the largest group) is smaller(relatively speaking) to that of the general population. That is to say there is a larger overlap between sports fans(or any other subgroup for that matter like film goers, car enthusiasts, outdoors types, etc) and the various other musical genres that aren't part of the mainstream. Since these all these groups are culturally important, these other musical genres gained disproportionally larger cultural attention due to said differences in overlap. Another thing to remember is that the era difference, or more precisely the effects of the internet on consumption as a whole. Back in the 70s, 80s and even 90s, the internet was still in its infancy and not nearly as widespread as it is today, with KZread for example not being a thing yet, let alone social media as a concept. Technically My Space did exist and sort of was social media, or more precisely the precursor of social media. When we think of social media today we think of the post Facebook era. The point being that back before the early 2000s 'underground' bands were actually underground, as in only having dozens or hundreds at most, fans, mostly in a few nearby local scenes. These days you can have an 'underground' band with hundreds of thousands of monthly listeners on Spotify and they're still considered underground. That is to say the standards have completely changed, and as music becomes ever more accessible, the amount of people who discover one or more of the many non mainstream genres and fall in love with them is growing ever larger. That is to say that maybe(hopefully) sometime in the foreseeable future, appealing to the lowest common denominator will cease to be the winning strategy to maximize appeal, at which point the whole concept of what mainstream is will drastically change. We're not there yet, but the early signs are already showing, with the differences between mainstream and non mainstream bands, in terms of numbers, are growing ever closer. Lastly, before metal can ever be considered as anything but a niche, it first has to fully detach itself from rock. Even today, many people including musicians, still view metal as a sub-genre of rock music. As long as this is the case metal will never truly become mainstream. Heck rock itself isn't really mainstream, so a 'sub-genre' of rock by definition is a niche within a niche. Personally I don't agree with this view point but it's still the prevailing one so I can't just brush it off and ignore it. Similarly, until we stop talking about 'rock charts', 'rock radio stations', etc, and begin talking about the overall charts and radio, there is no way for metal, or rock for that matter, to truly be included in the mainstream.
A legend was born
I would probably watch a 5 hour long version of these videos. I probably need help.
I never get scared of anything, I sleep in the woods, I walk the streets of dangerous neighborhoods, I have tackled men who were a foot taller and way more muscular than me, I have looked down the barrel of a gun with no fear, and I used to watch horror movies before I was a teenager, and I was listening to Slayer and Bathory as a teenager. Nothing scares me except for women who say they love me
I don't care if they're not British, Rush is an amazing band.
actually astounding voice training
He sounds like a fuckin skeksis but i really dig the album.
i dont even like cannibal corpse but i'd love to have a beer with corpsegrinder
He's not even emo "I've been emo since middle school" isn't even true. There's videos of him where he's just arrogant and straight up bleh.
When a hippy trys to make metal.😂😂
No zodiac, bodybag, expire are vary high... No zodiac maybe number 1 in my book especially the album BURN IN HELL.
Fantasy wins! I love mental health.
I purchased the first edition of Grishjärta on September 10, 2011, and have been closely following the scene ever since. After delving deeply into the lore of Nattramn, I've come to the conclusion that it's all a joke.
What's funny is that whenever someone talks about NIN, they always say a similar thing. And that's pretty rare
I'm so curious what you think of Dynazty, Powerwolf and Soilwork
YOOOO VOLBEAT
Not just in metal but anything Avantgarde. You get a sense of unfamiliarity and the lack of popularity (generally) makes you feel alone when listening to them. Maybe that’s partially why some people like listening to boundary pushing music.
How dare you trash talk out lamp king!!!!
Deathspell Omega are not NSBM, Mikko Aspa may identify with that label however the band itself has nothing to do with politics. The people who decried their 2019 album the Furnaces of Palinganesia clearly never read the lyrics which instead examined the failings of political and societal revolutions across the political spectrum. None of their earlier material has anything to do with politics either.
Deathspell Omega are not NSBM, Mikko Aspa may identify with that label however the band itself has nothing to do with politics. The people who decried their 2019 album the Furnaces of Palinganesia clearly never read the lyrics which instead examined the failings of political and societal revolutions across the political spectrum. None of their earlier material has anything to do with politics either.
Deathspell Omega are not NSBM, Mikko Aspa may identify with that label however the band itself has nothing to do with politics. The people who decried their 2019 album the Furnaces of Palinganesia clearly never read the lyrics which instead examined the failings of political and societal revolutions across the political spectrum. None of their earlier material has anything to do with politics either.
Havent even watched the video uet but i know im gonna like it. Theres always discourse cause metal dudes hear hardcore are like "oh i like this" but then come to our shows thinking we play by their rules. We respect their scene and how they do things , but they gotta respect our scene aswell
I'm so glad this band is getting the recognition they deserve. Their stuff is beautiful
I think it's partly because they're overexposed. All pop music is overplayed, because all music on popular radio stations is overplayed, and the reason why they're on the most popular radio stations is because they're safe, which is another problem.
Greetings, fellow BRS enjoyer. Didn't expect to hear them mentioned in 2020, but Back from the Dead fucking rules. Another 2000 release from worth mentioning is Bile's The Shed (the Dutch are at it again), though the follow up Camp Blood (2005) is even better.
I have been arguing that it is counter culture 😂.
Huge cannibal corpse fan. That part of cannibal was funny. The whole thing was funny. I agree on most of them
Cattle Decapitation, Death Atlas was an album that at the time completely floored me, easy 10 out of 10. But when the pandemic hit, I became terrified of the album and it wasn’t until Terrasite. I came out, but I revisited it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a display of pure hatred for the world
I appreciate you appreciating yungblud
Szia bocs, romániábol jössz?
Romániábol jössz?
I am not, I'm sorryyy! That's not the romanian flag. <33
Havent really meshed with a whole lot of grindcore, but Pig Destroyer at their best have a knack for great riffs and great songwriting that combine with the frantic grind chaos to make a whole that i really like a lot
I know is a pretty subjective take, but for me metal (or rock spectrum to be more accurate) is the best genre because it encapsulate the whole spectrum of human emotion, and by that I mean it can go from the most hopeful and pretty music to the most degenerate and deranged hateful stuff. Every emotion imaginable have a metal song for it. I can't say that about other genres that are only made for very specific mods and are unexistent outside that context, by that I mean something like chill relaxing music, party music or folk stuff. Metal on the other side can happen everywhere and is one of the the few genres where their listeners actually care about how is made and try to play it instead of listening it as background noise and turn off the brain. And the best part of this is that is not an isolated genre, it can work pretty good with any other music, jazz, pop, classical music, trap, folk, latin, etc... throw everything, there is at least one metal band mixing metal with it.
Devlab by Devin Towmsend. When I am interested in an artist or sepecific record, I usually set them aside to listen to before I go to bed. No lights no distraction, stereo earbuds, my full attention. I love ambiet music and avant garde stuff, but my first listen to this scared the sh*t out of me.
When i was 14 i thought that anything heavier than metallica was for actual mentally disabled people. In 2015 i Got into Cannibal corpse. I Think the closest thing i Can currently Think of is Fractalize. A band/2 guys of which there is like 1 picture and the music being pretty far from any regular metal. But it isnt scary, more like just unknown or interesting. Like the bottom of the sea or space
Honestly never been scared over my music
Metal was never scary, it’s only threatening to people who don’t listen to it or understand it. I guess the only time I felt genuinely scared somewhat was maybe listening to some of the more experimental noise type of stuff like emit, abruptum, blur aus nord, but even than I’d hardly call it scary it’s more just atmospheric. When I first discovered cannibal corpse and saw “I cum blood” I thought it was more funny than anything else. Like it’s so obviously campy schlock horror and so are most extreme metal bands
Yesterday i got a friend into deafheaven
Bro. I was chilling with some mellow black metal on Spotify radio while working. Suddenly, this chill clean guitar comes. "nice", I think. Then Nattramn shrieked and I nearly shat myself. Scariest shit i've heard So yeah I guess Silencer would be mine
"Cassie Eats Cockroaches" really disturbs me. The song is about having sex with a Cassie, killing her and continuing to have sex with her. Thematically it sounds Cannibal Corpse like but it's very different in this song. The middle section where they play movie clips (I think) makes me feel uneasy
As an advid Judus Preist listener, I still have no idea what they are I just assume speed metal after painkiller
Yesssss power metal represent!!!
Bring back the horror in metal
Even when there are mainstream heavy metal bands there will be thousand more underground heavy metal bands
Deftones around the fur jump scared me because I thaught the album was over. Same thing hapend whith nirvanas nevermind because I thaught that something in the way was the last song.
Torsofuck’s last album was pretty disturbing, but I wouldn’t say it was scary.