the real humans were... none of them, they were all aliens u can tell by how weird and huge all their eyes are

@desertsandfly2277

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't like the character designs of gundam SEED. They've got large eyelashes. Spiky hair and edgy designs.

@SeinenNinja

3 жыл бұрын

@@desertsandfly2277 Agree, Hirai doesn't have a good design. Also, they only know how to draw like a few faces, which makes other shows with his design weird.

@androyus

3 жыл бұрын

Most anime characters have huge eyes......

@messatsou

3 жыл бұрын

Did you think you were watching a live action show?

@Jact01

3 жыл бұрын

They all have massive eyes cuz the truth about Seed is it's actually a Shoujo anime that just happens to take place in a gundam series. I find changing your expectations for that is some of the best advice to prepare a new watcher.

I'm pretty sure most Gundam fans (such as myself) thought the title was "Why People Hate Gundam Seed" but thank you for explaining why people "hate" in Gundam Seed (tbh I myself just boiled it down to space racism too). I would like to see your opinions/topics on other series like 00, IBO and UC too in the future!

@DoggyP00

3 жыл бұрын

holy shit I was so confused this whole video

@thatmotivatedchris6749

3 жыл бұрын

Has he made any 00 or UC vids yet ?

@TheHumanPurpleTape

3 жыл бұрын

I feel seen!

@BioGoji-zm5ph

2 жыл бұрын

Why do fans *hate?* Why are fans so *mean?!* Anyone who gets this reference... give yourself a cookie.

@petrusdimitrilarantukan7678

2 жыл бұрын

Hey setsuna

SEED was very very complicated. But the emotions in that anime was real. I get to learn a bunch of lessons from SEED, and I'm grateful to have watched it and liked it.

@muyangcheng3874

3 жыл бұрын

@Ratfoo The Liberator then you haven't watched 00........

@wyldshot666

3 жыл бұрын

Best and most reasonable comment here.

@orangeyellow9695

2 жыл бұрын

Seed taught me to understand how hatred and fear is peddled in politics

@fidausdaus5080

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah 😂 like WW2 all over again but this time I sure be captain ooo sorry

@IriaChannel

2 жыл бұрын

lmao

To be fair, Seed gets lumped in with Seed Destiny and that causes it to get a large amount of hate.

@Markus-zb5zd

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and seed destiny is basically another 50 episodes of Kira domination, which we already had 15 of in seed

@sofiaciel7599

3 жыл бұрын

honestly, yeah. Destiny soured my feelings on SEED when it first aired, as someone who spent my high school years defending SEED as a valid retelling of the original series with much different and contemporary themes - themes that still resonate today, in fact. Which isn't to say First's don't, not at all - but I thought the themes of hate and trauma in SEED, even then, were important for the period in which it originally aired and I originally watched it, terrible fansubs and all.

@Zugam

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I always thought the Jesus Yamato joke came from Destiny because for the second time Kira manages to impossibly survive death. Honestly Destiny started out alright but when it became the Kira Yamato show instead of keeping focus on Shin or Athrun it went downhill.

@DevasiaMentalityGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I've never watched Destiny so that means nothing to me.

@dynamicworlds1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zugam Destiny started off terrible, hitting the ground running trying to ruin basically every character from SEED and shove Shin on us and make us like him dispite him being one of the most annoying characters in anime history and it being even less believable that he got through basic training (much less got to the point where he was given a Gundam without being court-martialed) than it was believable for Kira to survive that nuclear explosion. And then it just kept getting worse, yes, but only because it went on longer which meant the low-grade fanfic quality writing had more time to compound.

Yeah yeah yeah, we get it. Seed's great. ...but Seed doesn't have 30+ WINDMILL GUNDAMS PILOTED BY THE SAME PERSON ALL AT ONCE FIGHTING OFF A DEMONIC CHIMERA MONSTER ROBOT WHO GIVES PLOT CANCER TO PEOPLE DURING THE SPACE OLYMPICS.

@danielramsey6141

3 жыл бұрын

God I love G Gundam.

@frankjaeger2565

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the spoiler.

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

G gundam is love, G gundam is life...

@ThexDynastxQueen

3 жыл бұрын

It also doesn't have America's ultimate weapon, THE STATUE OF LIBERTY CANNON!!

@Waauugh

3 жыл бұрын

This is the one point anyone has to make to make anything else completely obsolete.

Woah....Gundam? Um Yes please. More of these videos please. Thanks! Also....Thunderbolt is the best

@Zephyrs009

3 жыл бұрын

THUNDERBOLT REPRESENT

@holden_7597

3 жыл бұрын

It’s up there, right around 0080.

@Beastkingzetta

3 жыл бұрын

@@holden_7597 No No it is 0083 is best UC

@androyus

3 жыл бұрын

As a fan of the original Thunderbolt manga, the anime actually left quite a number of character-important scenes on the cutting room floor. Thus, Thunderbolt anime for me still doesn't live up to its true potential. I wish they made a full-flegded series instead of 4 short ONAs for each season.

@kennethmendoza1350

3 жыл бұрын

Mine's 08th MS team and War in a pocket in UC, 00 in AU

Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket is the best gundam series, and it's only 6 episodes so there's no excuse not to go watch it.

@indigo_whiskey

3 жыл бұрын

(there's also a pirated subbed version available for free here on KZread, you just have to search for it)

@kylelovegrove8424

3 жыл бұрын

0080 and 08th MS Team are my favorites. You just can't beat the UC

@Mbewe_SM

3 жыл бұрын

Hey your comment made watch gundam for the 1st time (yeah, war in the pocket). I just gotta say thanks.

@David_Axelord

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mbewe_SM I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it!

@dranoelarios4788

3 жыл бұрын

Same art style as Dead Aggressor: Fafner in the Azure With an alternative universe Athrun XD

Its nice to see people finding the parallels between seed, and the 9-11 debacle. If original gundam is ww2-in-space, then seed is the first attempt at a gundam show with 21st century political climate. Other than the bloody valentine, there is another interesting 911-parallel; at the same time as seed and destiny is broadcasting, Japan is discussing whether it should send its self defense force to middle east, whether they should help their allies or continue to use their forces in self-defense role only. This plotpoint is reflected in seed and destiny by the Japan-stand-in nation of Orb Union; whether to join the alliance/plant or continue to be neutral, even in the face of pressure.

The only thing i dont like about seed is the recycling of fight scenes. Other than that i find it okay

@abelardenavalon1879

3 жыл бұрын

Not only the fight scenes, some scenes like the base explosions were also recycled

@daijoboudesuka

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno.. maybe because animating mechas isn't that easy?.. You might want to try it.. :D

@KinghtofZero00

3 жыл бұрын

@@daijoboudesuka True but Seed does it a whole lot. Its the first animated show I watched that I actually noticed it happening with how often it was.

@daijoboudesuka

3 жыл бұрын

@@KinghtofZero00 yep.. mecha animes often do snap movements as well. Imagine the people who animate just one scene and that they have to draw every perspective of the mech's shape every frame. Nothing will be done in a weekly release of episodes.. haha

@sharlesdaviskendy2391

3 жыл бұрын

The stock footage abuse is rough. But it saves money. Gundam was in a pretty hard decline before Seed. Their budget was not exactly high. Thankfully Seed revitalized the IP and they get better production values since then...

I only need to see you showing the scene of Milly attempting to kill Dearka and then actually ended up stopping Flay from actually killing the guy to know you really care about the series. People often uses very obscure reasons why they dislike the series but moments like that were beautifully done. It shows the raw, conflicted emotions of these kids being in a war between the 2 species which people never give the series enough credits for.

@sentasuS049

3 жыл бұрын

Dont forget they were in a ORB colony, a nuetral country with no hate for each other and proving that coordinators and naturals can live peacefully

@nedinnis6752

3 жыл бұрын

A good moment doesn't mean people are wrong or dumb to dislike SEED, and the problems with it are NOT obscure, especialky the recycling of animation. Read what other people say and try to understand why they don't like something you like.

@INFERNO95

3 жыл бұрын

@@nedinnis6752 Sadly most of sunrise anime reuse old animation a lot. To do it once or twice is one thing but to keep doing over and over again is cheap and lazy.

@JustinVillemure

Жыл бұрын

@@nedinnis6752 Name one Gundam before Seed that didn't reusse animation lol... A lot of hate for Seed does come down to obscure reasoning. Seed is actually super deep and quality overall... yeah, Sunrise cut corners, but they do that in like all their anime.

@nedinnis6752

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinVillemure I'm not saying Sunrise never reused animation before, I've seen almost all the Gundam TV shows. I just don't like dismissing other people's opinions when a show I like has visible flaws. There is a reason to dislike almost any Gundam show, and that's ok. Few things are perfect, and I say that as someone who enjoyed Seed. It had a great story + characters and the Remastered edition fixed a bunch of visual issues. Doesn't mean I also didn't see why others dislike it and its sequel.

Jose confirming to everyone that he hasn't seen Turn A

@AjaxFerrariLeafs

3 жыл бұрын

Gundam X is the best

@Zephyrs009

3 жыл бұрын

@@AjaxFerrariLeafs this right here. Also Thunderbolt

@mythousandfaces

3 жыл бұрын

All of you are wrong the best Gundam is G Gundam. How many other iterations have a horse that can pilot its own horse Gundam?

@Sonicfalcon16

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I like turn a

@Raziel078

3 жыл бұрын

@@mythousandfaces Love Love Tenkyoken!!!! Some times I'll watch a video of that just cause.

Watching seed again, the biggest compliant is this Kira is portrayed as Jesus-like. He’s survived multiple “impossible for humans to survive events”, has basically all the main females thirsting over him and and has more plot armor than most Isekai protagonists.

@yvonnemoris2653

Жыл бұрын

😂

@asimhussain8716

26 күн бұрын

He's not portrayed at Jesus-like, this is just something you heard and now project and parrot like a mindless drone. He has all the main females thirsting over him??? He has ONE female "thirsting" over him as a means to manipulate him to fight to death, and only ONE other one who slowly bonds with him. Go back to watching cringe isekai anime lol

It's not a certified José video until he uploads it twice.

I appreciate that you don't bring up Rau Le Cruset, because in many ways he is the best part of that show for me. I freaking love that omnicidal maniac.

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

i still remember hearing on the reason he became the way he was, its actually a pretty good explanation that fits perfectly on what we see in the series. with thereason mu's father asked for him to be created, and even, on his relationship with durandal. basically the theory says that, Mu's father wasnt just an egocentric narcisist, but was also bisexual, and he literally wanted to fck himself, that would explain why he wanted rau to grow old so fast, and also what rau probably went through while groing up, and why he hates his own face that much. the fact that the fast growth also damaged his brain just exarcebated things. its one of those theories that is both too out there, and makes too much sense.

@CC-8826.

3 жыл бұрын

He was the char aznable.. and Mu is the full frontal

@phoenixfritzinger9185

2 жыл бұрын

Makes a pretty good Dutch oven too

Building a space satellite laser to use against the earth isn't even just an anime thing, it's a Gundam thing. I think at least 5 separate gundam series do it. Too quote a certain abridged series, "What do you want me to do? Build a laser satellite system? That never works!"

@David_Axelord

3 жыл бұрын

One is used to great effect at the end of Zeta Gundam, just not by the villains.

@RayOfTruth

3 жыл бұрын

That worked too well in After War Gundam X. Granted the space satellite laser was the main character's Gundam, so maybe that helps.

@khaii13

3 жыл бұрын

try starwars villain thing. though technically the space laser is not aimed at earth "alone" so...

@androyus

3 жыл бұрын

It has been a thing since Star Wars came up with the Death Star in 1977, two years before Gundam aired.

@Tahu33446

3 жыл бұрын

@@androyus it is a starwars thing that gundam has maintained until starwars took it back in one of the recent parts of the recent trilogy. But gundam makes it just as epic. Sometimes the threat alone of a space laser in gundam has me asking how are the gundam jedi gonna solve this one.

I've never hated Flay like everyone does, she is a well-build character not many people can understand her and her situation

One thing I would say is that Kira's character arc isn't fully complete at episode 35. Kira does go through his arc, but I think there's a neat little mini arc at the end of the show, where the main villain tries to undermine Kira's progress. It's kind of a rare example I've seen of a sort of attempted 'devolution' of a character. Kira has to confront his past, and the possibility his actions are irredeemably tainted by them (as Rau's were tainted by his own origin). Kira then has to reject that kind of thinking and find emotional catharsis in the proof of Flay who is able to reconcile with him despite both of their pain. I also really like the analysis on hate and how it is such a poison in this show, driving both sides to greater and greater atrocities.

Seed has a great final battle in Gundam history. Watching Kira learned how to counter Providence Dragoons and how damaged Freedom became in the middle of the battle, Kira had a possibility to get a bad ending like Kamille in Gundam Z. Unlike Seed Destiny which Kira and Athrun pretty much outmatched both Shinn and Rey without any effort. Most importantly, Yzak is a complex and underrated ace pilot in gundam.

@androyus

3 жыл бұрын

"Kira & Athrun outmatched both Shinn & Rey" Yea, that's what happen when you pit two veteran-aces against two manipulated junior-bitches who didn't even know what they were fighting for and had less-than-half the skill of Rau Le Klueze in Mobile Suits with matching levels: total domination.

@razrafz

3 жыл бұрын

shinn is basically completely rage-driven while rey has superiority complex

@gameryang3306

3 жыл бұрын

If I am not mistaken, Kira destroyed Legend Dragoons first before aiming the main body. On the other hand, Rey just go straight for Freedom while ignoring the Dragoons.

@argacc20417

3 жыл бұрын

In Seed destiny, strike freedom not get scratch, even justice only lose fatum 🤣

@Kirito843

3 жыл бұрын

Technically Shinn was the only one manipulated. Rey was basically just Durandal's lap dog and doing what he wants willingly, while Shinn continued spiraling down in his own guilt.

Gundam Seed was the very first anime I ever watched so it has a special place in my heart.

@MrPinoyako1985

2 жыл бұрын

try to watch gundam wings too.

I loved the commentary personally. Another aspect is the conflict between rich and poor. The only people who had money to have coordinator children were the rich. They also left Earth for their ivory space stations. This is a subtext worth noting. Hatred is of course a major theme, and possibly the core theme, but I think Seed and Destiny have incredible commentary.

That was really good, Joel! I look forward to seeing more videos about anime like this. I watched SEED back when the DVDs were being released and it's been over a decade since I last watched it. Destiny really soured me on everything SEED related and I kinda stopped caring about Gundam enough to watch newer ones a few years ago. But I've always had a fond spot for SEED so it was nice to see a video like this about it.

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

SEED is my first Gundam. Destiny is a let down to some but I see there's potential in it just it wasn't executed and written well. Stargazer although short but it's the only best thing came from Destiny.

This video was very interesting and well written! I loved Seed and this video re-assured the thoughts I had on the character development and writing. I wonder if many of seed haters watched seed to see big robots fight only to complain about how Kira is too op with his plot armor, completely looking past all the serious themes going on with the side characters. They don’t always do virtuous things and spectators might not enjoy that, but I personally found it extremely interesting.

I have been a Gundam fan since forever. Im just finding out that Gundam Seed is hated. I love Gundam Seed. All the Drama that surrounds the Archangel Base was a nice blend.

I am so freaking happy to find this video and a fellow Gundam Seed lover. I kind of always felt it didn’t get the recognition or love it deserves lol. I know it has its flaws, what show doesn’t? But I think it’s a gem of a show and I’ll always love it. Definitely my favourite. But whenever I rewatch it I appreciate its depth, the creativity, plot, characters etc. I generally always cry at certain parts. Anyway, thanks for the video, I would love to see more on Gundam Seed (and other anime). ❤️😊

@thedarkangel613

3 жыл бұрын

You are not alone my friend. I've seen quite a few gundam series and I still put SEED as my favourite. We are out there

@otakumangastudios3617

2 жыл бұрын

While I also have memories associated with the anime, I couldnt continue watching it, because of, for one, Im personally sensitive to sexual content, and second, i personally feel morally uncomfortable with Kira knowingly cheating with a woman whom already had a partner, which by the way, was not "boyfriend" they verbatim said "fiance" in the anime. I dont know, I just couldnt with that. Dont get me wrong, its still an anime that is warm to me while at the same time cant bear to commend the series myself.

@pax6833

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedarkangel613 There's dozens of us!

@ravendethshadow

Жыл бұрын

Hardly. Seed was pretty wildly popular when it came out. People started to shit on it when destiny happened, and by extension that's where a lot of the kira jesus yamato memes came from. That said, a lot of the themes are things that are repeated through the gundam franchise. A lot of the direction involves characters standing around and talking in close up shots, characters/faces center in a still frame, which felt like a waste of the medium. This isn't something special to seed either, many other popular anime are guilty of this as well (sao). A lot of the things that felt flat to me were more related to the visual direction, and that it felt more of a soap-opera direction in the writing (even for gundam standards). Either way, people can go watch it for themselves and develop their own opinions of it. I saw both series in their entirety and have my own opinions on it.

Thanks José this was awesome. I haven’t seen the anime but loved getting your take on its themes

These scenes following the final battle between kira and athrun I enjoyed quite a bit, a huge part due to Dearka (english voice Brad Swaile, who also did Quatre and Amuro and later voiced Setsuna) finally got some spotlight. Up til then the other Gundam pilots kinda overshadowed him (one being the protagonist, another being his friend and rival, one getting a new upgrade, and the last one died two episodes ago.) and I feel he didn't get much to do on-screen.

Two things: Not a regular to this channel and I was amazed someone was talking about Gundam Seed. Your points about the themes of Seed really opened up a new perspective for me it being a general discussion of hate, rather than a specific discussion on a type of hate is something I felt but you put it really nice words. Find it interesting you didn't mention Lacus, because she is often presented as a much more ideal leader than most of Seeds cast and often ask questions that force characters to think on those same prejudices, I think one of my favourite lines in Seed was from her "There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing. Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?" It's a fair question connecting to the premise that this story is about hate, obviously people can't love hate away especially if they are being killed, but is voilence the solution or is inflicting more trauma on all sides how we obtain that happiness. Really want to watch Seed again just to think about this some more. Secondly, I want to ask does Kira' s growth really end by episode 35? One of the major faults Kira as a character had was his inability to deal with his emotions and pain of the war. Kira became more distant and isolated as he grew through the series, crying in isolation up until he reached emotional exhaustion. I think his character sort of caps of after the reveal of his true identity when he cries with Lacus. Kira is the pilot hero who beats the bad guy but he finally has a genuine attachment with someone that he isn't desperate to protect all the time, someone he can allow himself to be vulnerable with. Which is pretty cool.

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

i do think that kira's growth ends at episode 35... but for a diferent reason to many people. that's when kira accepted that he would never become a normal person again, that he would probably die horribly in the battlefield(something that scared the whole series up to that point). its also the moment when he trully became... broken. that's why he is diferent after that, and why he "doesnt grow anymore". because he is a dead man walking. which is also why he isnt a hero, he will fight the war, he will stop the atrocity that will happen if he doesnt, and he will avoid killing as much as possible. but to himself, he is a monster who doesnt deserve to live. even after seed, which is why he tells lacus in SD that he is "ok now". if anything, Kira became the anti Hiero.

@doom3869

3 жыл бұрын

On the topic of growth, the character who had the biggest growth would be Flay.. she's the driving force that made Kira grow as well.. that's why when they got separated, Kira became a shell.. "like a deadman walking " .. only then when he saw her again did he show emotion.. Flay's character development startes from the beginning of the series until the end.. it's sad that they have to kill her off because the wife of the author likes Lacus more.. they had plans for her, the gundam Cagalli had was supposed to be for her and more. Even the author said in a conference that Kira's heart always belonged to Flay.. She's the one he must protect.. that's what he said in contrary to what he said about Lacus in destiny "it will bother me if i can't protect her". And even in destiny Kira never cried as a nod to her.. in the game, u will also see Flay behind Kira on one of his special boost.. just adding on to the fact that she helped Kira's growth or strength..

@orangeyellow9695

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcosdheleno that's when Kira became gundam. No need to keep repeating it like Setsuna who literally became one at the end of the series.

@orangeyellow9695

2 жыл бұрын

@@doom3869 to me, Flay was the most compelling female characters in CE. She is the one who shakes things up and destabilises the equilibrium in the archangel crew. Lacus is a sheet of paper compared to flay.

@doom3869

2 жыл бұрын

@@orangeyellow9695 if they just stuck with the draft and kept Flay with the EA like planned, Destiny wouldn't have failed cos her character would've made the story a lot more interesting. Lacus was already perfect, to begin with, so there's no more growth in her character that's why she falls flat compared to Flay who actually had great character development throughout all 51 episodes.

Thank you for this video! I already loved Gundam Seed, and your analysis was incredibly thought-provoking; it's great to find even more reasons - especially those in line with my values - to love the series.

I love Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny. Not a joke.

@jacobschaller6566

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with Seed. Destiny...not so much.

@shadow7901

3 жыл бұрын

I love gundam seed as well

@lukelim5094

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobschaller6566 Destiny was ok enjoyable for most part ... But fuck Chairman's dullandal plan stills doesn't make sense to me after more than a decade of thinking about it.

@kiplienightburn3530

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah me to, especially the ost is so beautiful

@wanjonathan1140

3 жыл бұрын

Luke Lim u’re absolutely right. It bewilders me that how some ppl actually like Durandal plan and put hatred in the kira gang. Did they not imagine themselves being affected by the destiny plan?

Honestly I do like seed, seed destiny is where everything got f up.

@CC-8826.

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. They wanted to shove in our threat that character named shinn boy he should've die

A story about stupid boy who fall for a wrong girl. Im talking about both series Seed and Seed Destiny.

@huy1k995

3 жыл бұрын

Shinn and Stela did nothing wrong

@CC-8826.

3 жыл бұрын

@@huy1k995 fuck shin the most none sense character ever

@SeruraRenge11

3 жыл бұрын

Fukuda and Morosawa?

The only thing i had problem with is the fact that there's a gun in a prisoner's room... What!?

@sandyman_4105

3 жыл бұрын

not a prisoner's room, just an medical room, see 16.43

@Matanumi

3 жыл бұрын

It's mentioned by natarule on the next episode and how fucking careless the captain was. Marrue just says "feel free to write in your report" and dismisses her. What's happened has already happened at that point It was careless but it creates an excellent scene of melodrama in context of the show

@innoillust

3 жыл бұрын

@@Matanumi I see, thanks for the explanation i think i missed that watching the Anime

Despite her being a B tier character Mariellia is one of my favorite characters don’t have to be a pilot in Gundam to be an impactful character imo and her character arc is one of the best in the series

I liked the regular Seed the second part lost me though

Having gotten into gundam through Wing and Seed, I appreciate this. It's interesting to think about Seed exploring a topic like this, and I'm interested in rewatching it now.

Gundam Seed is a very good series to talk about hate and is so relevant now more than ever before. I love how you explained the situation between Mirielia nad Flay, it is one of the better interpretations of that scene I have seen for some time. I had always taken that scene as a way for Mirielia to say to Flay that Kira did not deserve to die - no one deserves to die for being a Coordinator. I wish that they had expanded on the themes and story from GS to GSD but what can you do. Really well done video :)

It's pretty nice to see someone have a take on Gundam SEED that isn't the same old "SEED bad because Jesus Yamato, there's too much drama,etc". All the discussion around the series has been stuck there for like a good 10 years. Also one bit this video just made me notice at 7:39 Kira says "What the hell can you protect with just feelings?" to Cagalli earlier in the series In the final episode when Fllay's "ghost" speaks to Kira she says "My feelings will protect you"

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

SEED Kira is tolerable imo. Him in the Strike had him fight using his wits due to the machine's limitations i.e battery runs out due to powering the machine along with its weaponry and armor.

Minor notes: the “Jesus Yamato” moniker was used as a complaint over his “death and rebirth” event. Not so much about his capabilities as a pilot. Also, the Mariallia scene sounds great when dubbed. The way the voice actress calls Dearka “this creep” there is so much disdain in her voice.

@z54964380

3 жыл бұрын

I personally think Yamato is a huge virtue signal coward, like dude shot off arms and legs off of some poor grunt's mobile suits, didn't he ever think that their crippled suits would most likely be finished off by others on the battlefield? Yeah sure "I didn't kill them, the others did." He didn't have the balls to face the reality that his hands were covered in blood ever since he first piloted the Strike.

@HonakoGreen

3 жыл бұрын

I loved Rau's voice acting in the dub.

@someguywithabirdface2583

3 жыл бұрын

@@z54964380 and his irresponsible uses of beam weapon .

@railguncat7751

3 жыл бұрын

Actually the nickname was in place before Destiny. Destiny just cemented it. It's because Kira is too perfect, too good at everything, too kind (sparing everyone). What people miss is that many things in SEED (such as sparing everyone) were done in the UC. For example Kamille kills almost no one in the final sortes leading up the finale, it's just never commented on. And Mwu and Quattro's "death" scenes are identical.

@matteste

3 жыл бұрын

The name actually seems to come from his constant moral grandstanding and how the show always portray him as in the right. Basically he is portrayed as someone who can do nothing wrong. He and Lacus are right and everyone else are wrong.

Gundam seed is the first gundam series i actually completed watching back in 2005

@ashockmizer914

2 жыл бұрын

back on toonami

Now I like SEED as well. SEED Destiny... Not so much... But you missed one rather perspective to SEED: Rau Le Creuset! While he is SEED's Char, and we don't learn his reasonings until the same point we learn of Kira's origin, Rau is playing both sides to just see everything burn. And all because he is, sorta, unique from everyone else.

@ashockmizer914

2 жыл бұрын

like the Devil lurking in the Shadows

i dont think its fair to say it "left people's minds". seed still is one of the best selling gunpla. and its still a powerhouse in asia(japan included). the whole "seed hate", is more of a western thing. hell they are still making new seed spin offs because of how popular it still is over there.

@vandamn1164

3 жыл бұрын

I love GS. It’s my fav out of the 3 Gundam series so far. I’ve only seen GIBO, GS, and GU. I was planning to watch G 00 and G Wing. I’ve been told they were great too.

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

@@vandamn1164 i also started with seed, and it also has a special place in my heart, my advice would be to check out the UC side stories, most importantly, the best trio: thunderbolt, war in the pocket and 8th MS Team. they are BY FAR the best gundam has to offer, i would also count stardust memory, but the last few episodes screw the pooch so hard, its kinda hard not to feel like WHY?(and without giving much spoilers, all i have to say is romance nonsense). wing is alot of fun, it isnt anything special by today's standard, but its not as generic a x(which isnt bad, just not as good). 00is also solid.

@vandamn1164

3 жыл бұрын

Marcos Danilo thx I’ll make sure to give those a try.👍

@akaneriyun4774

3 жыл бұрын

@@vandamn1164 good choice. 00 is another really great series. I think IBO is a bit overrated but it's still really good too! Btw you may want to watch the original Gundam series as well and follow the UC timeline from there. Lots of great moments to see.

@SeruraRenge11

3 жыл бұрын

It's not just a western thing, I remember when SRWZ showed off its PV and the moment it showed the recreation of Shinn stabbing through the Freedom with the Excalibur, the japanese viewers were fucking losing their shit cheering over it. They have never forgiven Kira for usurping the role of main character from Shinn and making the show all about him. Because even if Shinn was not a great character, I don't think anyone can deny that Fukuda and Morosawa did him dirty and squandered any of his potential. Episode 39, never forget.

Triggered me in the first 3 seconds.

@STIR-FRIED-SUBWAY-RAT

3 жыл бұрын

Triggered me with the title

After more than a decade, there are still many angles and themes from the story left to dissect and explore. Tq for this video.

I was dreading this video because I honestly love Gundam SEED, and have a rather overstated reputation with its sequel. I was worried you’d tear it down, but I really loved your reading of it. Great video.

@jeski_raptor7715

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you someone here isn’t still talking bad about it

@NickIzumi

3 жыл бұрын

Yukki Reddens Years ago I made a seven part audio series about my dislike of SEED Destiny. I still need to explain I honestly love it’s predecessor.

@TheTrueAdept

3 жыл бұрын

Personally, I liked SEED but was saddened by it's ruined potential. When I investigated behind the scenes, well, let's just say my sadness turned into outright HORROR. Let's just say the writer for SEED and SEED DESTINY was made by the same person and that person would not allow anyone else to write the scripts and would just SLAUGHTER anyone that goes against him/her. Cagalli's character assassination is partially due to Cagalli's Japanese VA and the writer got into a big fight and SHINN'S JAPANESE VA took Cagalli VA's side and then in spite character assassinated the both of them...

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrueAdept I found this on the trivia page of TV Tropes. Look at the last one. What Could Have Been: The original script called for the Strike Rouge to be built by the Earth Alliance instead of Orb, with Azrael placing Flay as its pilot due to her hatred of Coordinators and hoping to use her position as a Fallen Princess to stir up pro Alliance sentiment. Another rejected concept for the ending involved Azrael sending Flay back to the Archangel with a bomb implanted inside her, and her and Sai dying outside the ship in order to spare the others. Also in the same interview, Kira was originally going to be killed off, and Athrun would lose an arm in the final episode. Another idea for the ending would be an ending that was even more of an Kill 'Em All styled ending than the actual ending, with Athrun (while still being maimed in this version as well) apparently being the only surviving member of the main cast. Unlike the other examples, evidence from both the show and interviews suggests that this was indeed going to be the ending of the series and only was averted because the voice actors got too attached to their characters and the immense popularity of the Seed characters among the viewers. Kira was supposed to die and Athrun is the sole survivor. Cosmic Era does have the potential but poorly executed. Natural-Coordinator conflict is a great concept and it gives a fresh content to Gundam franchise. Stargazer is the only good thing that came out of Destiny and the GuAIZ are underutilized in Destiny especially the R model.

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrueAdept In SEED Morosawa was doing series composition. She became the head writer by Destiny. She could've take some rest and let others do it since they did have another writer standing by.

I hope José does some more videos on Gundam. I'd love a long retrospective on Gundam, Zeta, Double Zeta and Char's counter attack in the style of his other long retrospectives! Maybe covering the whole UC?

Seed was good. May be not great or best, but really good. I liked it for these moments you brought up. Now if only Seed Destiny was that humane. It's the first thing that come to my mind when I think of 'sequel that ruin it all'. It flanderized the returning characters into caricactures of themselves, then pushed the new characters aside for said caricactures.

@dynamicworlds1

3 жыл бұрын

And that's not even getting into Shinn...how I'm supposed to believe a military decided that he should not only pass basic training but be handed a prototype Gundam I can't understand.

@LatencyProblem

3 жыл бұрын

@@dynamicworlds1 To be fair, Shinn is an excellent mobile suit pilot.

@DracoFlame67

3 жыл бұрын

@@dynamicworlds1 No answers about passing basic training, but it's mentioned in episode 13 of GSD that the military did not choose Shinn to be the Impulse's pilot: Durandal did. Arthur says that he (and implicitly the rest of the Minerva's crew) expected Rey to be named the Impulse's pilot, but Durandal surprised everyone by giving the Impulse to Shinn instead. They were initially confused by Durandal's decision, but after the events of episode 12 (i.e. Shinn enters SEED mode for the first time and takes down half a dozen ships, two mobile suit carriers, and a brand new mobile armor all by himself in a matter of minutes) they understood it. Durandal analyzed Shinn's DNA and knew he had the potential for SEED mode all along. Later reveals in Destiny add more layers to Durandal's decision to give Shinn the Impulse. Durandal had the Destiny Plan at the back of his mind for a while and anticipated that Kira would oppose it, so he needed someone to take Kira out beforehand. But people with piloting skill rivaling the Ultimate Coordinator's are extremely rare. He knows Athrun qualifies, but prior to the start of Destiny, he doesn't know where Athrun is and is unsure where his loyalties lie. Rey wanted to fight Kira on Durandal's behalf, but if Rau couldn't beat Kira, Durandal couldn't count on the man's sibling clone to defeat him either. In comes Shinn, an immigrant from ORB suffering from survivor guilt and PTSD. The kid is at his most psychologically vulnerable (and thus easily manipulated to his cause)... and he has the SEED mode gene (so he can become a pilot as skilled as Kira or Athrun if pushed hard enough). Shinn has everything Durandal needs for an anti-Ultimate Coordinator weapon, so he insists on making sure Shinn becomes that weapon. This includes giving Shinn the Impulse, pardoning him for breaking Stella out of ZAFT custody just in time to pilot the Impulse during Operation Angel Down, and giving him the Destiny as a reward.

@nastybigJim

2 жыл бұрын

True but the funny thing is I bought a random anime magazine in Japanese back in 06 that I couldn’t read and it was featuring GS. I bought knockoff GS dvds because of it and I still don’t regret it.

Every time outro hit on perfect point of story beat make my heart flare up to the roof. Watching seed series is like watching well acted and written melodrama.

@Junebug89

3 жыл бұрын

Anna ni issho datta no ni Yuugure wa mou chigau irooo...

Great Stuff Jose! Long time Gundam fan, and while I definitely don't love SEED, it did get me into the series officially. If you ever find yourself with time (LOL) give X a try. It suffered from production issues but I love it.

God, do I love SEED. The story is good. There's so many good character development. So many good character interactions. I just love it.

@wyldshot666

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

This video makes me want to rewatch SEED and SEED Destiny lol. Jesus Yamato is definitely more apparent in Destiny lmao I love em tho

@KiomonDuck

3 жыл бұрын

If you have 200$ you can get a blu ray set in december.

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

In the original planning, Athrun was to be the sole survivor of Three Ships Alliance, missing an arm and a leg.

@nastybigJim

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joshua_N-A so he’s supposed to be kaz from mgsv?

I remembered watching this on Toonami but was confused when Flay and Kira would hook up cause they'll edit out some scenes, except for the one where Flay lying in bed under the sheets laughing while Kira is running out the door. This makes so much more sense. Also loved how you talked about how science can be used to divide people and societies. I wonder if scientific racism would be a good word to also describe the hate in Gundam Seed. Love the work you do and I hope you'll do a video on Gundam Seed Destiny

I love how much things we got on Gundam Seed, there are so much gold in their characters and personalities, the development of events and even some fights. The only thing I always heard most people hated and even I noticed it watching it one episode after another in the same hour... is how much they recycled on animations, at some point it was gross... but skipping I simply love Gundam Seed, it will always remind me of how sad humanity is and how much some people worthy will sacrifice to not let them kill themselves, or how powerless you are and try to use nice words which have no value at all unless you can back them up.

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

the irony is, the reason seed uses SO MUCH recycled scenes is because, its was done cheap, because at that point gundam was basically dead. if anything, seed is the reason gundam got a second wind... again. and its why asia loves seed. seed brought gundam back.

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcosdheleno SEED revitalize the franchise and it was meant to be enjoyed by new and older fans. It's my first exposure to Gundam as well.

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

I like the concept in CE. It's a refreshing take on Gundam. The Coordinators is also interesting take in genetic engineering. All Coordinators but Kira is imperfect and sterile. Kira may be the only fertile Coordinator due to the artificial womb. Envy and hatred and cycle of violence and consequences of fiddling with genes drives the world in SEED. Rau is the result of one's ambition and quest for immortality, that's why he wear the mask as to reject of who is he truly is. The consequences of progress and how far people willing to bend the rules just to achieve their ambitions makes me think would genetic engineering leads to an endless conflict.

Between you and HBomberguy I’m learning a lot about anime I never intend to watch

Jose knowing exactly how much he's shitposting at the start there, oh man.

I just finished this series and found this video again and I'm so thankful for this thoughtful video

I rewatched the series recently after about 12 years since the last time. I forgot about some deaths and it was like watching it all over again for the first time. What a good series.

Thank you for reminding me that SEED is my favourite anime and I really really really need to watch it again.

I hate: - Seed lack char development - Boring protag (kira), shin was more interesting than kira until he turn into jerrid messa in 2nd half - those acronym -"random bullshit GO!!" - plot hole

This was very good, would love to see more. Thank you for putting this out.

Very enjoyable and loved how you covered one of my favorite Gundam series.

The "Jesus Yamato" moniker came from those gundam fans that revere Kira as "The best Gundam Protagonist" not necessarily because of his abilities. And also there's the fact that he survives explosions even previous gundam protags (except for Heero "self destruction boy" Yuy) couldn't. I honestly think Gundam SEED would've been infinitely better if Athrun was the protagonist, not Kira. Now that I've watched the first two of the main three(UC), I can say that SEED tried to recapture the magic of eaarly UC, they succeeded to a degree by giving us a new "newtype" but for everything else, now that I'm looking back on SEED, all I can say is "wow, that's just what they exactly did in 79 and Zeta. Just think about it, an enemy soldier being captured/ defecting to your side, would make the story far more interesting when the whole schtick of the SEED series is banking on the fact that "this series is a remake of gundam 79" Also, watch Gundam Turn A, it is Tomino's Magnum Opus and you can't convince me otherwise.

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

seed was made as a reboot of sorts of the original, so yeah, it makes sense it follows in many steps. however, it never tried to become the new "0079" as many people think, with as many similarities as it has, it also has alot of diferences in both character development and the conflict itself. seed is its own thing, just like 00 isnt just a copy of wing.

@androyus

3 жыл бұрын

"SEED tried to recapture the magic of early UC" That was the reason SEED was made in the first place XD. And considering that SEED revived the anemic Mecha genre in early 2000s, they did a real good job in rebooting the Gundam franchise with SEED. You can't blame the team behind SEED for fulfilling their established goals.

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

@@androyus more than that, they did it while having a(pretty much at the time) dead franchise, and almost no money to make it.

@PossessedbyPhoenix

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcosdheleno How did it become almost dead? I thought G Gundam and Gundam Wing were smash hits?

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

@@PossessedbyPhoenix x not so much, it was successfull, wing for sure, but the problem was what came after, X now, in the west, X is beloved, but in asia... people hate it. it kinda became more apreciated in the last couple of decades, then came turn A, and dont get me wrong, i love Turn A, but man, people in japan DID NOT. and turn A wasnt cheap, from the design to the animation, they invested heavily, and it was not a money maker... g was released in 94 wing in 95 X in 96 then they waited 2 and a half years to release Turn A. and then around another 2 and a half to release seed.

Me when Athrun killed Tolle: this is where the fun begins I think the fight scene between Kira and Athrun is good but too short, and I think that Kira managed to survive almost without injury is kind of a plot armor

@The_Viscount

3 жыл бұрын

While I love Seed and Destiny Jesus Yamato is Jesus Yamato, in my opinion, because he keeps surviving sitting on top of massive explorations and having no injuries.

@krizlad

3 жыл бұрын

I always find this Jesus Yamato strange to hear. I get that he really shouldn't have survived both explosions but I've always wondered why is this picked apart by people but in Wing Hero survived not only the self destruction of the Wing Gundam but the fall from its cockpit to the ground which has to be 40 to 50 feet and no one seems to have any issues with it 🤔.

@GlassGolem

3 жыл бұрын

I can explain why Kira survived the Aegis self-destructing: He was originally intended to die in that scene, but the writers decided to bring him back in the episode he was revealed to be alive (which was the very next episode BTW). This is basically what happened to Andrew Waltfeld as well (apparently the head writer wanted more "older man" characters when he was brought back); and is... *Probably* what happened with Mu in Destiny - admittedly, it's a bit hard to tell what was originally planned about Destiny when so much of it was influenced by the "fans" and the head writer's own hang ups, like shafting Cagalli's character because he hated her voice actor. All of which is say that this is an explanation, not an excuse. Even though Gundam SEED is my favorite Gundam series (and trust me, "8th MS Team" and "War in the Pocket" make for VERY stiff competition; and I've found something to enjoy in almost every Gundam series), when people talk about SEED's habit of bringing characters back from the dead and Kira's resurrections specifically, and how they're bullshit; I will agree with them: it's a genuine writing flaw with the show. And no amount of after-the-fact justifications will fix that, like Kira ejecting the Strike's cockpit(... yes, that was the official reason at some point). And if someone says those survivals are why they don't like the show? I say "that's fair", because we all have different kinds of bullshit we're willing to put up with to enjoy a show, especially Gundam. Actually, if you'll give me a moment to vent, I had an interesting experience with Turn-A Gundam. See, I heard from people on a Gundam forum that Loran was Kira "done right". I... didn't really see what they saw: he spends most of the show fighting things that are bad at MS combat - demonstrated by when they get slaughtered by "real" MS in the latter third of the show - and when Loran fights those same "real" MS? His no-kill rule was almost immediately dropped. Here's the thing though: I actually really liked Loran! I clearly understood his motivation and why he has a no-kill rule; his hope and optimism made him really stand out in a cast full of psychos and grumps; and he dresses like a girl because Tomino wanted for him to be a girl, but the executives wouldn't let him. He's not even the only character I really liked in it ether. The main thing that kept me from really enjoying Turn-A was how almost all the other characters used violence as their FIRST solution to their problems. There's also some protagonist-centered morality in there too, though not as bad as in SEED Destiny... and characters tendancy to talk past eachother, but that's hardly unique to Turn-A.

@vandamn1164

3 жыл бұрын

krizlad a man survived a 75 feet bridge. It is possible to survive, but with a possibility of serious injury.

@krizlad

3 жыл бұрын

@@vandamn1164 You forgot to add the fact that Hero was at ground zero when he self destroyed the Wing Gundam which is a huge explosive force on top of the fall. So Hero should have died but again no one seems to have a problem with his surviving all that but take issue with Kira's survival. BTW I'm just scaling the hight Hero was at it could have been a lot higher

Well put together video man. Even as a Seed fan I can't ignore the flaws but I haven't seen someone praise its strengths as well as you have

Unexpected vid but still one that I'll watch all the way thru ❤️

You also dont point out that the genetic modification robes the coordinators of being special in the eyes of naturals. Remember the scene when lacus sings on the arc angel and several crew members compliment her voice, but then ask how modifications were made to let her sing so well. Kira is offended by this and this is a central theme especially with ral la cruse. He seeks to watch mankind consume itself out jealous. Even the leader of blue cosmos recalls a group of friends being soundly beaten up a coordinator. And angrily asking his mother why she never made him a coordinator. The jelous and hatred that those abilities are not you own. Just fake gifts. And kiras final words, i am not defined by my abilities alone.

I am amazed with the internet's collective wisdom especially when it comes to determining if a single Gundam show was good/bad. I was a child of the 80s/90s and so my first Gundam was Wing. I thought it was pretty good, but the conventual wisdom on threads was Wing was an abomination and deserved a horrible horrible death. When Seed came out in the early 000s the internet was rejoicing at the return of the Messiah. I watched about half of the show and thought it was pretty ok. Fast forward to now and everyone hates on seed so much. It's crazy.

This was one of the first anime I remember watching! I remember a specific scene where the crew of the main ship (archangel i think?) defects from the earth forces and they essentially decide to fight to stop the war, and even as a young person I thought that was a cool as hell narrative.

Great video. As a Gundam SEED and Destiny fan, I've always found the duology to be so intriguing with the premise, technology, and characters. The bandwagon might be strong, but that won't shake the rest of the fans from the hype of the movie that's to come out in 2023. Also, I believe you should do an analysis on Shinn Asuka, as his character is quite interesting for a parallel of Kamille, at least in my opinion.

SCREAMS IN UNIVERSAL CENTURY WITH THE FIRST 3 SECONDS

@zudahkai94

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the best timeline

@Justin-fh2yp

3 жыл бұрын

UC got more space magic than any Seed can possibly do. The overall Timeline ain’t bad, but ZZ and some other series lower the whole quality of UC timeline

Seed = Flay Destiny = Shin Most people who watched both seasons hate these characters making them hate seed series.

@kyoshiro6043

3 жыл бұрын

Although I hate flay, I have to say that Shinn is my favorite gundam pilot (if u ignore some stuffs in the late half of destiny)

@doom3869

3 жыл бұрын

So True... only few ppl realise this tho.. by the end they had to kill off Flay cos Lacus was the fave character of the authors wife.. so they had to trash the awesome plot with her on it.. ugh missed opportunity..

@junztermax4387

3 жыл бұрын

Not really

@KaioenGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I dislike seed cause they reuse the same 5 animation gifs enough for me to notice, and the pace is real slow Plus the message it tries to convey is something pretty obvious i already knew

@AssaultRider555

3 жыл бұрын

Well, Flay is probably the most realistically written character in that show, honestly. Was actually kinda sad that she died even though I hated her character most of the show.

I agree with what you mean this was my first gundam show growing up along with the 00 series. When I first saw this show I was 12 and couldn't process what was going on and 12 years later, I rewatched it and then understood what it was about. It changed my view on people and that we shouldn't give in to hate. Hatred is like a parasite: it controls our actions and the more we feed it, the more it takes away something from us until we have nothing.

If anime is something you want to make more videos on, i think it would very interesting to hear your thoughts on Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade. There is a LOT to unpack there, specifically as regards the aesthetics of fascism and its psychological effects.

@LatencyProblem

3 жыл бұрын

THIS. I enjoyed the hell of that movie, lots of things to unpack indeed

@mechanomics2649

3 жыл бұрын

I've really been meaning to watch that but I just don't seem to get around to it.

@PhantomAlucard

3 жыл бұрын

@@mechanomics2649 It's worth it. Just don't expect to be uplifted. lol

@SeruraRenge11

Жыл бұрын

The Kerberos Panzer Corps did nothing wrong. The Japanese government was plotting against and undermined them at every turn, despite them never ONCE comitting a single act of betrayal against the state prior to the government deciding to wipe them out first. Don't just watch Jin-Roh, watch the other 2 movies Red Spectacles and Stray Dog (the chronology is Jin-Roh, Stray Dog, Red Spectacles), and read the manga. Yes, ultimately their highest loyalty was to their fellow squadmates and not the state, but that's basically true of every police and military unit ever because they're the ones watching your back when the bullets start flying. Regardless, they did their job as a counter-terrorist unit without even a hint that their loyalty as a unit was wavering, yet the government was so paranoid that a group that's that good at killing terrorists might some day turn on them, that their answer was to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by massacring the Kerberos and thus turning them against the state. So the Kerberos attempt a coup to save their own skin, and are slaughtered. The only difference between the events in Jin-Roh vs the manga is in the manga, the girl kills Inui (the character Fuse is based on) because in the end she's still a terrorist and has no desire to end the cycle of violence, while in the movie Fuse kills Kei for the sake of the unit and because Kei is directly tied to a corrupt rogue faction of the state (Public Security). And the most telling part of it all was what the government replaced them with: genetically enhanced assassins with submachine guns who wear white suits and mime makeup with a permenant smile painted onto their face. A deliberate "putting a happy face on counter-terrorism" by the state, a way of making everything going on seem good and normal. You can call the Protect Gear the Kerberos wear authoritarian and imposing, and that's true, but that's the point. It's honest, it's blunt, it tells it like it is. It doesn't hide its cruelty behind a smile. That is the difference between them and the mimes, it is "we are oppressing you" vs "we are oppressing you, but don't worry about it, it's all ok, this is for your own good and you'll appreciate it in the end". As CS Lewis once famously said, to quote him here, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." Ghibli's Miyazaki talked about this very danger during his conversation with Mamoru Oshii in regards to Patlabor 2 the Movie.

@blacklegion2531

11 ай бұрын

​@@PhantomAlucardnames gundam seed

This anime will always be part of my childhood. It's inaccurate, complicated, it have Mary Sue characters, bad plot, nonsense characters, bad writing. But I will still love it. It's not perfect, it's a disaster but it will always be cherished childhood memory. It's special and will always be iconic for me.

@sayan6728

2 жыл бұрын

( ╹▽╹ )

@JustinVillemure

Жыл бұрын

I think you're talking about Gundam Seed Destiny. Seed is solid. Who is a Mary Sue? Lacus? Who is literally adored by many people as a pop singer then reveals herself as being quite aware of war, with the help of Andrew Waltfeld and because of her influence, she's able to bring many to her side, both in war and ideology. Seriously, I'm curious who you think the Mary Sue is...

@MadDragonify

11 ай бұрын

@@JustinVillemureKira How did he survive the Aegis explosion? We still have no idea And then how did he end up in Space? Supposedly the red frame pilot found him but it’s so contrived

@JustinVillemure

11 ай бұрын

​@@MadDragonify You can be confused, that's fine. Kira was designed to be stronger than all other coordinators, he was taken to space via Lacus and her alliance on Earth. It might not be the strongest written, but its fine enough. Every Gundam show has some questionable things in it lol...Get over yourself.

I read the title as "Why people hate Gundam Seed Destiny" which to be fair is probably because it's critically panned in the west but in the Asian countries were immensely popular

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

Because melodrama? Seems like an Asian writing norm.

@ernestorio3550

3 жыл бұрын

@@Joshua_N-A as an Asian, i could pretty much confirm it's true. Cuzz honelty out of all the Gundam series out there, SEED is the most Soap Opera drama of the bunch.... And SEED was my first Gundam anime (most Anime Gundam to me was 00)

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

@@ernestorio3550 SEED is my first exposure to Gundam. Basically K drama with mechas. Despite the harsh feedback from older fans it is the Gundam that revive Gundam by bringing alot of younger and new audiences. I do enjoy UC stuff especially the OVAs. Kind of a bit of let down when Stargazer is just an hour long still the best thing came out of Destiny nonetheless.

@ernestorio3550

3 жыл бұрын

@@Joshua_N-A sad to see CE's potential being shadowed by the drama here. And yeah Stargazer is an example of what SEED could have been if it tried to be Gundam (less teen drama, more actual war story from a non combatant perspective)..... But i guess back then Sunrise was trying to win back the audience by trying to be what the general consensus want at the time (by edgy and angst), which didn't age in a long term.

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

@@ernestorio3550 SEED Cagalli is the best Cagalli.Her comforting a troubled Kira made me wanna ship them but then again Fukuda, the director is a Star Wars guy. Is it weird that I like Flay more than Lacus? Houko Kuwashima did a great job playing 2 characters at once in the scene where Natarle and Flay having a conversation. It's almost makes you think it was voiced by two people. CE is almost an antithesis to UC. Rau even said that people wont or don't want to understand even if Kira tell them. CE revolves around human nature and humanity's pursuit of progress by any means necessary. The reason Rau wears a mask is that he's a clone of a man that thought he can bribe Death and George Glenn regrets that him giving the manual to make Coordinators had created a much larger conflict. It's also an interesting take on Gundam with flaws in genetic engineering as Coordinators may need a Natural in order to survive as they are getting sterile due to breeding with fellow Coordinators. Flay is probably the best written character. She is a product of Blue Cosmos controlled media and this made her called a bitch by fans due to her behaviour towards Lacus and uses her body to manipulate Kira after he failed to save her father bringing the theme of violent cycle of revenge in Gundam. Tl;dr CE's untapped potential could've made it one of the if not the best Gundam AU ever. It just need a better execution and some tweaks. Man, they really milking the Astray line. Also am I weird that I like Flay more than Lacus? Lacus could've been the Haman of CE.

Thanks, I love it. Seed is my fave series, but it's pretty interesting to see it in a new light - I wasn't a very nice person when I first watched it so back then it boiled down to "smashing giant robots awesome!". Good video.

I disliked seed destiny more. The reused animation, the curbstomp final battle etc. But seed series did give us awesome gundam (model kit) and dope music.

I didn't enjoy Seed personally, but I really appreciated this video. Good work!

Bruh I got this notification while downloading the gundam seed art book lol, ive never even seen gundam, I just decided I wanted to learn to draw mechs today

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

Kunio Okawara always deliver.

Just wanted to pipe up and say that you're getting better at making videos, and that's cool. I noticed that the whole thing was a bit smoother than your videos have been in the past, and the audio mixing is especially nice. Thanks Jose. :3

my only memory of seed was the princess giving the equivalent of the nuke codes to the guy she thinks is hot that is on the other side of the war her country is fighting. because young love

Got into Gundam not too long ago, watched nearly every show by now and by far my favourite was Seed and Seed Destiny. About the Jesus Yamato point, I'm actually unsure if it started out as criticism. I wasn't around at the time, but from what I got alot of people back then worshipped Kira, unironically calling him Jesus Yamato. Nowadays it's def more in use as a random criticism tho.

@zudahkai94

3 жыл бұрын

UC is the best

@railguncat7751

3 жыл бұрын

@@zudahkai94 I love the UC but SEED is literally a remake of it and many of the things people hate in SEED can literally be found in 0079 and Zeta and CCA, which is about as "pure" UC as you can get. SEED is more true to the UC than Unicorn is.

@JackgarPrime

3 жыл бұрын

Destiny cemented the Jesus nickname after Shinn impaled the Freedom, which really should have killed Kira on the spot. And we still don't know how Neo Roanoak is alive...

@SOMEGUY7893

3 жыл бұрын

@@JackgarPrime The Aegis exploding a few feet away from him should have killed him too yet he also survived that somehow.

@templariox32

3 жыл бұрын

@@zudahkai94 tbh the only uc shows i like are Zeta and ZZ

im six minutes in as someone who never watched or cared about Gundam as a series. im having a weird moment. i think to some extent i harbored a lot of hatred. not at any specific group, but just toward humanity. i think ive been trying to contain my hatred by letting it defocus and watching this video im having the epiphany that hatred isnt really something that we can contain as individuals. i cant keep a growing hatred of humanity and still be a healthy person. it will bleed into every opportunity it has. watching how those two hated made me realize i have some inner work to do. uh thanks jose. i guess i needed this video

@christopherferrin5662

3 жыл бұрын

There's this really great moment in Gundam Unicorn where a really minor character that is never seen again says that a principle character who started dropping asteroids on the planet after it became clear that earth's politicians and people were unwilling to move to space so the earth's climate could get a break says that he is unsure if said principle character "ever really loved humanity." Honestly I think the themes Jose gives SEED credit for are present in all of Gundam and discussed better elsewhere--it's just that the problem with things like Unicorn is that it is less accessible if you aren't familiar with the franchise history.

@HadalStreetlights

3 жыл бұрын

​@@christopherferrin5662 to be honest, this is actually a problem in a lot of media. videos like this do a great job of introducing people like me, who saw snippets of episodes growing up but never sat down and watched the entire content of each show, to the major themes and concepts which underpin the show.

I'm not a Gundam watcher, but I still enjoyed the video. It's an interesting topic, to be sure. Also you have a very soothing voice and cadence and I've been super manic today so that helps too

Amazing video! Love the new theme song too :D And I'm not sure what my favourite anime is (there are too many that I love), but one that I watched recently and loved is Parasyte.

Hey José what’s your thoughts on Iron blooded Orphans?

This show looks so noughties it hurts my eyes.

@Zephyrs009

3 жыл бұрын

Noughties? You mean 90s or? Cause this was early 2000s, back when anime studios were still working out the kinks with Digital Animation after Being essentially entirely based apon Traditional Cel Animation since the 50s

@zacharymollohan3346

3 жыл бұрын

The Grand Black Mage Noughties is slang for the early 2000’s. It’s like nought as in another word for zero

@Zephyrs009

3 жыл бұрын

@@zacharymollohan3346 oh. Okay. And yes, the Artstyle hasn't aged with Grace

@kapitankapital6580

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zephyrs009 yeah, although really I mean that period in anime between the late 90s and early 2010s where you have the shift to new technology, drop in funding and shifting fashions that meant that a lot of animes from this period just look like Yu-Gi-Oh

@Zephyrs009

3 жыл бұрын

@@kapitankapital6580 yeah, I personally actually kinda like that period of Early digital, if only because Animators were still figuring out what works and all. Modern anime feels too clean, too sterile for me. There's that inherent lack of Grit and Mistakes that older stuff has, and That means for me a bit of Identity is lost in that. When you can Emulate something perfectly , you remove it's humanity in my opinion, as under mankind's tree no root hasn't been crooked, so to say.

Anime is the topic I didn't know I needed from you, sir. Please continue.

I'd definitely like to see more Anime videos form people who usually cover other stuff. You've increased the odds that I may watch Seed soon, right now the only Gundam series I've seen in full is still 00. What do you think of Code Geass?

I found seed's melodrama believable. I want to add Tolle and Nicol's deaths felt so impactful and are still iconic because you truly believed how important these people were to their friends, so Kira and Athrun's hate for each other comes off as reasonable, honest, and real.

Finally someone who actually likes Kira Yamato.

I think when I was a kid I watched a Gundam series, I think it was Gundam Wing. It was way to complex for me at the time, but I remember loving the depth of the series and the mature themes it tackled. So, can I just hop back on it and rewatch it, or should I watch the different Gundam series in order? Do all of them take place in the same universe? Are story elements that I would spoil for myself if I watch them out of order?

Now I'm sad that I missed out on this particular series, I'll have to get my hands on it. Samurai Pizza Cats was my original introduction into anime and it's a wild ride on how it came to be.

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

give it a try, seed is worth a watch. it does have alot of recycled scenes and animations, but that's because of how cheaply made it was.

//"I have no plans on making a video about GSD for the foreseeable future."// You could do a bit, where you set up a plot and some characters, but then half way through you just repeat this video again. Anyone? Anyone? :D

@JackgarPrime

3 жыл бұрын

Or he starts off talking about Destiny, but then drops it to talk about Zeta instead a few minutes in.

@SeruraRenge11

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with Destiny is you can't avoid the show-hijacking Jesus in the room. Everything you could find positive about Kira in SEED, results in Fukuda and Morosawa saying "not anymore bitch" and ruining not only his character, but a lot of other characters in the process.

I like Gundam X, but I lost due to my hard drive crashing. But Zeta is great as well.

@Joshua_N-A

3 жыл бұрын

What is the difference between UC Newtype and AW Newtype?

@ashockmizer914

2 жыл бұрын

WAR Between Newtypes and Newtypes

It's nice to see a video from someone who understand SEED instead of haters who simply trash-talk it. I wish I could give you more than one like. Keep up the good work!

I used to watch this show now and then when it was on YTV, but now I kind of want to go back and watch the whole thing and actually pay attention this time.

This has always been my favourite series and I have a lot of merch ranging from games, toys and manga just from Seed and Destiny. I can easily rewatch the whole series, while others that I enjoy tons such as Wing, is harder to revisit

@JustinVillemure

Жыл бұрын

I have very fond memories of Gundam Wing from my childhood... but rewatching it now, with my understanding of story telling, greater ability to grasp themes - its not very good. Its beautiful, the art is amazing, but it lacks in characters, story and meaningful themes... Endless Waltz is still really good, but Wing the series, yeah, I don't see myself revisiting it anytime soon. Seed, I am watching once more, as I do think its a very good Gundam Series (doing right the things I mentioned Wing failed at).

@Detective_L

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinVillemure it’s good to see that nostalgia isn’t blinding us for modern viewing. Just like many people back in the day, Wing introduced me to the Gundam franchise when it was on Toonami and I was obsessed as a kid but it’s not that great to watch apart from a few key battles. The same applies to video games such as Goldeneye. Amazing back in the day but painful to revisit all these years later, and yet people still blindly praise it as still been the best.

But what about Zeta

@cabbage2587

3 жыл бұрын

Zeta is great. AEUG the only morally good faction in the entire UC

@congrilla-

3 жыл бұрын

@@cabbage2587 I think you mean Londo Bell. Despite it's good intentions of dealing with the Titans AUEG was in the pocket of big business like Melanie Carbine. They also didn't have much of an idea of what to replace the Titans and Neo Zeon with, which just made way for their former leader to attempt his own colony drop.

@andagean

3 жыл бұрын

@@congrilla- that only happened because of what happened to Kamille...if the AEUG had a more decisive victory I don't think it would have played out that way. Londo Bell still made way for the events of Hathaway's Flash. Londo Bell is also mostly former AEUG members...so it feels more semantic to say their better than the AEUG since its what they were previously.

@superciliouslunamaniac9903

3 жыл бұрын

It might be true that Seed handles this kind of analysis of hatred in a unique and interesting way. But I really don't think the video did a good job defending the overall quality of seed. I agree with Zeta, and frankly it's really hard to put Seed above any of my favourite Gundam series - even though Seed is where I started. Off the top of my head, Zeta and Turn A jump to mind as series that particularly touch on themes of hatred whilst also being, in my opinion, better series. I will say that Zeta in particular started off kind of disappointing to me, I actually just finished 79 and by the end of that series there's a fair amount of thematic depth. By contrast early Zeta seemed kind of meaninglessly edgy. I changed my mind later on, and Kamille is one of my favorite characters in fiction. That said, a lot of the new type stuff is really more about transhumanism than hatred. So I can see why Seed might be preferred for that kind of discussion. I don't agree, but it is a more straightforward look at such a theme.

@cabbage2587

3 жыл бұрын

@@congrilla- I would disagree that Londo Bell was better they are apart of the federation while the Aeug even with its problem were still contolists. Contolism can only be achieved when you destroy capitalism even Deikun called outs capitalists as a problem in his speech Zeon's Call. Char is a completely different person and his beliefs became closer to the Zabi's then what his father believed while char in zeta is closer to his father than the zabi's.

Finally! Someone who shares my views on SEED! Thank You for your video 😁😁😁

I only started watching more Jose videos recently. I had no idea he made one about Gundam SEED of all things lol.