Why Oswald Mosley turned to Fascism
I'm NOT a nazi, NOT a fascist, or anything else. This video is discussing events or concepts that are academic, educational and historical in nature. This video is for informational purposes and was created so we may better understand the past and learn from the mistakes others have made.
This video shows how the failure of British politics in the 1920s and 1930s caused Oswald Mosley to turn to fascism in the hope of actually providing welfare to the British people.
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I know the majority of your audience is here for war history and tanks and whatnot, but I'm thoroughly enjoying your videos on history of economic thought.
@TheImperatorKnight
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're happy with the content! I feel guilty because I've not done a "tank" video in a couple weeks...
@spazz351
Жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight I love the variety.
@patrickday8067
Жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight I think this is where you shine, to be honest. I stumbled into you on an an-cap Reddit sub, and I’ve been hooked ever since. Maybe I’m alone, but I prefer you in these sorts of videos. Keep up the good work!
@bigmouthstrikesagain4056
Жыл бұрын
If you want to do some tank videos.. then do them and take a break from the ideology videos.. remember you shouldn't geelong guilty...you owe no one anything
@Hippo_Hegemony
Жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight im here for the ideology break downs. They took away our tanks so the pain is too much
I laughed when he said we need to start our story a bit in the past and then starts explaining feudalism
@bigmouthstrikesagain4056
Жыл бұрын
Well ya gotta start somewhere
@samsonsoturian6013
Жыл бұрын
Or at least how a modern Brit thinks that stuff worked. Life back then isn't quite what he thinks.
@stevewatson6839
Жыл бұрын
@@samsonsoturian6013 Start your own channel, mate. Where are you anyhow, "feudalism" wasn't the same across Europe, nevermind England. What we had is described as "Bastard Feudalism" which isn't at all the same thing.
@theskippy7
Жыл бұрын
@@a.nelprober-rl5cf I'd expect to hear something similar in a primary school playground,I suppose that's the stereotypical intellect of today's boys.
@empiregeof
Жыл бұрын
Should we expect something else from a man who made a summary of Operation Barbarrossa and cataloged and discussed the moverment of every unit BY THE METER!?
TLDR: All the political parties are on the same team and it's not yours.
@greyfells2829
Жыл бұрын
If you don't pick a team, don't expect to get anything from anyone. This is the natural order.
@ox8833
Ай бұрын
Facts
@dougquaid570
8 күн бұрын
@@greyfells2829 They expect something from you, whether you support them or not.
I love your military historical analysis but I am just blown away by how thorough an understanding you have of economic politics and how logically and well you explain it all. You put several of my professors to shame. I have a history degree and I focused heavily on economics, as I think and your videos show, politics and economics are inseparable.
@johncharleson8733
3 ай бұрын
He sucks and your education must be piss poor if you think this video is any good.
The life expectancy of 35 years is obviously also linked to the high mortality rate of babies and children. He said that, but often people have the tendency to think that the majority of adults died at around 35.
@dr.paulwilliam7447
Жыл бұрын
I think that is actually included as child-death often was not recorded in dire times! However getting to the age of 20 (meaning as a woman you already had your first children) made it rather easy to follow on to an age of about 50-60, especially for men.
@theowlfromduolingo7982
Жыл бұрын
@@BigHenFor So I‘m not sure if I got your point but I’m not judging this whole concept of calculating life expectancy in the past like the 1700s. Rather, I just wanted to share this thought to make it easier to deal with the 35 years of life expectancy.
@LarsAgerbk
Жыл бұрын
I did
@WraithOfMan
Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is a statistical effect - The *average* was lowered greatly by the sheer amount of young deaths, but for those who survived those early years you would expect to see lifespans into more like the 60s.
@unhippy1
Жыл бұрын
i read a old thesis paper years back about the mortality rate that was looking at the english mortality rate of the population that survived over the age of 10 years old between 1705 and 1905 based off parish death records.......it found that the median age of death of this section of the population was in their mid 60's.....and that for the same section of population it was not a lot different to when the thesis was written in the late 1930's
It's VERY good to see you acknowledge the manipulative consequences of the left-right spectrum. I've been saying this for years
@bigmouthstrikesagain4056
Жыл бұрын
And You were right Velraven
@bigmouthstrikesagain4056
Жыл бұрын
It's never been left v right... us v them...its always been the individual against vs the state
@ragnarok283
Жыл бұрын
🙋🏻♂
@velraven8944
Жыл бұрын
@@bigmouthstrikesagain4056 At the end of the day, fully boiled down, the only real political spectrum is individual vs collective. Social pressure vs healthy boundaries. People who think they know how you should live your life better than you do, vs people who love others enough to trust them to make their own decisions.
@finlaymcdiarmid5832
Жыл бұрын
Left right spectrum in the mainstream media has just become Good people bad people. there really should be a better spectrum because its incredibly vague. Right wing is traditional and left is progressive. That is basically the actual definition but lets be honest its totally abused and all the worst people in history get lumped into the right despite being progressives.
This is an absolutely brilliant explanation of the ideological/economic failings of the Lib/Lab/Con trick political system responsible for the needless poverty of the 1920/30s; but which have continued to inflict similarly needless poverty upon the British Nation right through to the modern day.
Good grief... I've been subscribed for a long time to this channel but have somehow missed this video. It's as if this video was written just for me.... I've independently come to exactly the same conclusions that both you and LK Samuels have reached MANY years ago and have felt I'm going insane that no-one EVER publicly espouses this line of thought. This video has filled in some grey areas and cleared up some inconsistencies in my thinking, and for that I'm extremely grateful. Excuse me while I take back whats left of my sanity. Absolutely FANTASTIC rendering of an alternative perception to the chaos thats being wrought across the world today.
My Grandmothers sister was born in Gateshead, England in 1914. She was born with Rickets. Which is caused by the Mother not getting enough to eat during pregnancy. Another ancestor give birth to half her children in the Workhouse. She died in a Newcastle Workhouse in 1910. Most of the Working class lived in abject poverty in Britain! It was like this for most till the 1950s, and 1960s in many places. Mosley given a chance might made a difference? Couldn't been much worse then those who did run the show? We will never know.
@kremepye3613
Жыл бұрын
It's still a hellhole when it comes to working conditions tbh
@noreply-7069
Жыл бұрын
@@flashgordon6670 Why do you keep spamming every comment with the same reply? Stop it.
@thetechnocrat4979
Жыл бұрын
Then there are stupid people from former colonies who hold every Brit accountable for colonialism and demand reparations. I am not a Brit myself but even a quick glance at history shows that the average Brit was suffering in hellish poverty even while Britain was a colonial empire.
@lamwen03
Жыл бұрын
The Great War devastated every major country that was involved in it, execpt the US. Then came WW2. Which was worse economically.
@jimmydesouza4375
Жыл бұрын
@@noreply-7069 Because it is important info and sadly a lot of TIKs viewers will take what he says on 100% regardless of how correct it is. I should add, spamming it the way he is, probably that's going a little TOO far, but it needs to be put out there pretty strong.
Very Interesting topic; it’s about time the establishment historians recognise the truth of ‘fascism’- and it’s basis in socialism. You’re doing a great job at exposing their ignorance. Thank you, TIK.
@YaBoiBaxter2024
Жыл бұрын
*Syndicalism it's a form of Socialism, but different in how it functions in seizire of the means of production and worker's participation in the economic sector.
@senry.
Жыл бұрын
@@YaBoiBaxter2024 My apologies!
@YaBoiBaxter2024
Жыл бұрын
@@senry. It's ok!
@deusvult836
Жыл бұрын
@@YaBoiBaxter2024 Socialism is the socialisation of the means of production, syndicalism is the socialisation of the means of production within syndicates, so syndicalism is a form of socialism, but it is not different from socialism since it is socialism. It is just one variant of the same thing, so it is 100% socialism. Socialism is an idea, not a system by itself, syndicalism is a system of socialism just like Marxism is, and they are both equally socialisms
@thesecondsilvereich7828
Жыл бұрын
Hitler was right
Hi TIKHistory, I’d like to say I appreciate you for including references. I enjoy educational / infotainment type videos a lot but I hate how many don’t include references or sources for their information making it difficult for me to learn more about a subject. It also allows me to fact-check information to create my own opinion as well. More content creators on KZread NEED to do this if they seek to “educate/inform” people on subjects.
@manuelviellieber4763
Жыл бұрын
I mean, this should be the bare minimum. After all, you’re citing from someone else’s work and nobody needs to trust you. As you said, that’s also part of educating.
@lilachie
11 ай бұрын
Frank 😍
Claiming the fascism is right wing because it’s often nationalistic is about as stupid as claiming the Khmer Rouge and IRA were right wing since they were nationalistic and well. Another great video tik!
@greyfells2829
Жыл бұрын
You missed his point about the wings being meaningless. That doesn't mean that conservatism isn't a natural ally of nationalists.
@evenbet9603
5 ай бұрын
By definition fascism IS nationalistic. Similarities between extreme opposites can be confusing.
@notastone4832
5 ай бұрын
@@greyfells2829 they are not an ally. the conservatives in america, canada and the UK do the same shit.. sabotage the nationalists as if they are their main competition. hell the CPC did that to maxime bernier here and then lost an election to trudeau (because ofcourse they lost to a guy who did blackface one time for every election hes been in)
@stipostipo2051
5 ай бұрын
The left and especially the communists are known for their anti-capitalism. Why do you think that the biggest capitalists during fascism in Italy or Nazism in Germany supported Mussolini and Hitler? When these men came to power, they did not ban these companies, they did not introduce strict regulations. On the contrary, this period became golden for these companies..
@pierren___
4 ай бұрын
Tho fashism doesnt have class hatred
"Mostly peaceful protests" TIKhistory is becoming more and more of a comedic channel. I absolutely love it.
@samsonsoturian6013
Жыл бұрын
I just point out that all protests meet the legal criteria for "harassment" and that should be taken as the motive of protestor. That opinion got me kicked from Imgur due to literally dozens of people following just so they could abuse the report button. For weeks.
@LarsAgerbk
Жыл бұрын
@@samsonsoturian6013 when was that?
@longiusaescius2537
Жыл бұрын
@Samson Soturian huh
@sorsocksfake
Жыл бұрын
I chuckle, but then I dislike it in this setting. Comedy is a great value, but it is the partner force of analysis. They must be joined, but separate, so both can shine jointly. Comedy is by its nature light-hearted, self-depricating, and open-minded. Analysis is close-minded, heavy-hearted and must have a degree of confidence. In a society, comedians show that something is off. Analysts then figure out how it is wrong, and what needs to be done about it. Politicians then judge what can actually be achieved (unfortunately in practice, ensure it isn't). Analysis looks for answers. Comedy looks for questions.
@freeman8128
Жыл бұрын
The word is COMIC. "Comedic" is a pretentious invention.
Thank you for bringing this up, as most of my history studying is in the middle ages and classical era, people really like to diss on the Industrial Revolution yet completely ignore the benefits.
@JamesMaximum
Жыл бұрын
*hates on the Industrial Revolution via iPhone*
@isengard1500
Жыл бұрын
Industrial Revolution is such a fantastic time period; Really should have more hype
@Arkantos117
Жыл бұрын
The same people that blame the British for the Bengal famine that wasn't even their fault but don't credit the British for ending the yearly famines that plagued India before their rule.
@yuvi3738
Жыл бұрын
@@Arkantos117 the Bengal famine was the fault of the British. As you say, india is no stranger to famine. And yet, the Bengal famine was so brutal. Why? Mismanagement, either through callousness or cruelty, I think the former.
@Arkantos117
Жыл бұрын
@@yuvi3738 The Bengal Famine happened because local autonomous governments and aristocrats did not want to share their abundance as food prices were massively inflating after the Japanese invasion of Burma. There wasn't a total lack of food, food was just too expensive for the poor to buy. The only way the British could have solved it would be to take food by force from Indians to give to other Indians.
Such a shame that evil and/or stupid people rule the world.
@ikiyuz4344
Жыл бұрын
then let us fight, strugle and debate for a better one
@sammorrissey9094
Жыл бұрын
You can try and apply Hanlons razor, but it is too commonplace and too often to be sheer idiocy
@007kingifrit
Жыл бұрын
maybe you're all evil and stupid and your only shield is weakness and the illusion you could do better if only you had real power
@DrSpooglemon
Жыл бұрын
@@ikiyuz4344 We have nothing to lose but our chains!
@goych
11 ай бұрын
It doesn’t, there’s just people in a whole lot of pain
When the poor were struggling and dying out of sight in the countryside all was well. When industrialization pulled the poor into the cities, the poverty was much less, but it was more visible in the cities.
Your Mosley series is going to be the key jewel in your complete coverage of the topic of Fascism imo. Mosley was intriguing for certain, both very familiar, but clearly the redheaded step child of particular groups all the same. Wait until people see you bring up his ideas for a "United Europe" and how familiar that concept is lol
@bigmouthstrikesagain4056
Жыл бұрын
Sounds a bit like nato and the European (cough...soviet) Union
@ZoranZoltanous
Жыл бұрын
Kalergi is another fascist adjacent individual that was instrumental in shaping the European Union.
@finlaymcdiarmid5832
Жыл бұрын
Yeah moseley opted for a united Europe in 49' i believe. And to be honest its not that far from what the EU is becoming. They have been rattling on about Pan Europeanism for decades, and have some pretty weird youth programs.
@themanchestercollective3616
Жыл бұрын
@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 the difference of course being that Mosley wanted a united Europe for Europeans while the EU wants it for a everyone but.
@finlaymcdiarmid5832
Жыл бұрын
@@themanchestercollective3616 thats one of few.
It's Hegel's statist trap. The Hegelian Dialectic presupposes a statist worldview, and that way, regardless of left or right is "winning," - the state grows stronger and more dominant. Hegelianism is the overriding philosophy that produces all the statist ideologies of the left, right, and center.
This is my new favorite channel. History and just history.
Yes, your analysis of war is excellent and your analysis of political philosophy and economics is doubly excellent 👍
One thing to remember is how few people in Britain had the vote in the 1800s. The Reform Act of 1832 increased the electorate from around 366,000 to 650,000, which was about 18 per cent of the total adult-male population in England and Wales. This added to the electorate small landowners, tenant farmers, shopkeepers, and householders who paid a yearly rental of £10 or more. Not as conservative as the aristocrats and large land owners, but not the working class either. The next expansion was the Reform Act of 1867. It still was based on property qualifications, and the number of adult males eligible to vote was two million. It wasn't until the end of WWI that the least well off working-class males, about 40% of adult males, gained the vote.
@Fanakapan222
Жыл бұрын
A cynic might suggest that a franchise that requires no qualifications other than majority is merely guaranteed to represent the opinions of those who cannot be arsed to take an interest beyond the gimmies, and to use a Mosley expression, 'Are blown hither and thither by every gust of transient opinion'. :)
@stevewatson6839
Жыл бұрын
@@Fanakapan222 Most of us are too busy living, mate.
@longiusaescius2537
Жыл бұрын
@Steve Watson yep
Statements like, "They're all the same," when it comes to political parties aren't very helpful. To say that Mosley may have seen them as all the same is useful in showing his disillusionment; however, in general it does little to explain why one party will defeat another.
@longiusaescius2537
Жыл бұрын
Well his whole shtick is 'actually the market can do no wrong"
@burnvictim77
Жыл бұрын
True, but I think TIK's speaking in a narrow sense. Not that they are literally the same in every respect, but as it regards using the straight to restrain the market and trample individual rights, they all agreed on doing that. Of course, they used different rhetoric to defend similar policies.
@Guerillatoker
Жыл бұрын
@@burnvictim77 The reason it isn't a useful statement is because any party, if it aims to one day be the leaders of the state, has to "restrain the market" and "trample individual rights" because there is no such thing as a free market or rights without a state. It's a paradox originating from nature itself; the market is always restrained by natural forces (geography, time etc) and there's no such thing as a natural right. What the state aims to do (whether successfully or not) is alleviate these natural inevitabilities by organising society in a manner so the forces are distributed more or less equitably, depending on their goals.
@burnvictim77
Жыл бұрын
@@Guerillatoker Clearly not all states are equal in this regard. As TIK stated, the Liberals of the 1850s-60s were substantially pro-liberty, though far from an-caps, in his own words. So it is possible to have a party with a substantial different from this paradigm, even if there is never going to be a complete freedom of the market.
@Guerillatoker
Жыл бұрын
@@burnvictim77 I agree, I was just expanding on why I think it is still worthwhile acknowledging the distinctions between parties, as “they all want to tax you and take your rights” is ultimately too reductive.
wow someone in England was able to afford more meat per year/per person in 1912 than I am in California in 2023, and I am a military veteran.
One of the best videos, and great analysis going right back to the Age of Enlightenment and tracing these economic ideas through the industrial revolution to the 20th century. Great stuff, very original perspective. Don't agree with everything, but your point of view is so well argued and clear, especially on the artificiality of the spectrum. You should turn this into a book.
you really shouldnt say that youre not a racist fascists nazi or anything like that. dont make them force you to say things. dont give into them. dont say what youre not, when you do in a small way theyre winning. they see blood in the water and will know theyre influencing you and will come back for more and over time they will further and further influence you.
@occidentadvocate.9759
Жыл бұрын
100% correct!
@TheImperatorKnight
Жыл бұрын
It's actually for the KZread censors, not the audience. I don't really care what my critics call me anymore. I've given up with them.
@juniorvonclaire3576
Жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight And you’re not being forced.
@vegvisirphotography5632
Жыл бұрын
Whenever anyone calls me racist, Bigoted, nazi etc? I simply pull down my zip and reveal to them, 10 masculine and girthy inches. Quickly silences them without a word spoken.
@RK-zo9vs
Жыл бұрын
A nazi loves all races, they should just remain in their own countries!
You should cover adrien arcands national unity party in Canada during the 1930s.
@irvinmartin9259
Жыл бұрын
Why?
@irvinmartin9259
Жыл бұрын
@@rickjones7977 An irrelevant entity, in an irrelevant country.
@va3svd
Жыл бұрын
Canadian, here. I think it’s more worthwhile to study Fidel Castro Jr’s current movement here.
@rickjones7977
Жыл бұрын
Trudolf.
@longiusaescius2537
Жыл бұрын
@Rick Jones if that was the case he wouldn't be importing China and India and outlawing religion in favor of gay sex
"I'm not left or right, but Dickens is socialist propaganda." Yeah right bro, I hear you.😅I'm not black or white. I'm beige.🤣
where are you based in the UK and do you do school visits for history? (*I'm thinking Year 6)
Oswald was the most gameriest gamer of all time...
@YaBoiBaxter2024
Жыл бұрын
He might have been a better leader for Britain, considering how it's going for us now.
@CharlesLumia
Жыл бұрын
@@YaBoiBaxter2024 seems like a reasonable conclusion
@jimc.goodfellas226
Жыл бұрын
Based
@yochaiwyss3843
Жыл бұрын
@@YaBoiBaxter2024nah fuck that. It's good that Germany got stuffed.
@occidentadvocate.9759
Жыл бұрын
Quite admired Mosely. My Father was a supporter of his in the early 1960s. Moselys biggest mistake When he founded his "British Union of Fascists" in 1932, was the name itself. Using a name with Foreign connotations was a big mistake. Ditto with calling his protection force "Black shirts". Not sure if his Pro Monarchy leanings helped him win the Working Class support he hoped to get? If he had simple called his Movement "The Nationalist Party" or Something like "The British Peoples Party" he would had a better chance of gaining more support. His Protection Squad should been simply called that.
Tax policy is one of the strangest things in existence. In the US, both parties are pro high tax RATES. But neither is pro high tax PAYMENTS. The thing that all parties in all nations seem to have in common is the lip service to "the people" which the average working class hears and thinks of themselves, not realizing that the politicians mean themselves.
@TheImperatorKnight
Жыл бұрын
The "people" are the "public", and the "public" sector is the state. So yes, when the politicians say they're "doing it for the people", they mean themselves. I've tried to explain this in my public vs private video, but it's surprising how many people rejected this, even though it's clear that that's exactly what they're doing.
@stevewatson6839
Жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight It is frustrating; but we all do it. You can see thru Halder's distortions but similar distortions of the "Table Talk"? We are all great at bursting others bubbles; our own, not so much. The first person we fool is ourself. Plenty of work has been done by psychologists on how difficult it is not to go along with outright nonsense if everyone around you is hellbent on nonsense and you don't even know you aren't being allowed to see otherwise. After seven or so years of almost everyone going along with barking wibble since it dawned the Donald might actually win the primary and we actually might see off the EUrine, and the even more accelerated and accentuated daft of the last three years; it is actually surprising how many folk have accepted your argument or accepted that you have an argument. I'm surprised you find it surprising you get vehement pushback; especially when you point out how suspiciously often things go tits up and what progress we've been making suddenly goes into reverse. You are fighting human psychology and several ruddy great arses, nevermind a thumb, on the scales.
I live for these kinds of videos.
Your videos are incredibly interesting and I love to hear you analyze these radical political movements with nuance. Keep it up!
Tik, you can the only reason I look forward to Mondays, thank you so much for all you do.
@posham219
Жыл бұрын
@@flashgordon6670 I think you posted your comment on the wrong comment
@stevewatson6839
Жыл бұрын
@@posham219 He's a spammer. I'm only seeing his comment because it is misplaced, LOL!!!
@stevewatson6839
Жыл бұрын
@@flashgordon6670 You have an attention span that makes goldfish look good. I rest my case and hope this helps. /s
Benjamin Disraeli. Classic British name there.
Thanks TIK great vid!
I’m glad you’ve seen the light on the reality of things here. We will continue to be conned for the forseeable future.
A big reason why people moved into cities was also the enclosure movement in England. obviously this was not the case for all of the movement but it's a little bit dishonest to act like it was just a free market, opportunity cost decision when people literally had their lands taken from them.
@nicholascarter9158
Жыл бұрын
And given to wealthy British nobles to.. build factories on!
As an American, the first part of the video breaking down what "conservatism" means in a British sense was very, very helpful. Here in the US, we've had a Free Market, pro-individual rights, anti-big government society since the beginning, so our "conservatives" are trying to conserve that system, whereas in Britain, ya'll have a completely different set of values your conservatives are trying to "conserve". So despite sharing the same term, our conservatives and your conservatives are not actually natural allies. Over here, our biggest problem is our leaders have to play a statists game, so when they are in Washington DC for 30+ years, they become part of the statist system rather than a representative of their anti-statist constituents. I mean, how many of us Americans vote for someone only to be disappointed that our candidate just became a cog in the same broken machine we sent them to fix? IMO, we need to stop trying to fix the machine, we need to take a sledgehammer to it and dismantle it. One page bills- "X department of the Federal Government will dissolve on Dec 31st this year" ect. No repealing and replacing, just repealing and shredding. If it has a three letter acronym, it's gone. Dismember the Federal Government on a wide scale. Actually honor the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 10th Amendment. I'd argue that even the 3rd Amendment is being violated right now, the NSA is in my home watching what I do, why is that fundamentally different than a quartered solider sitting with my family at the dinner table? Think about, some asshole at FT. Meade is in your home, permanently watching you with a HELL of a lot more snooping power than a normal human has. Abolish it all, even if we're "less safe"; but guess what Freedom is risky inherently, personal responsibility is risky. If you actually believe in freedom, you're against the State.
@greyfells2829
Жыл бұрын
Yes I also want to see America divided and weak
@Carlin2810
Жыл бұрын
The best part about you Americans is they way youre more than happy to let people die because they cant afford healthcare & you demand it stays that way. Americans are great people.
@BrorealeK
6 ай бұрын
American conservatives love social control, military spending, and repression of individual rights. You're insane.
@notastone4832
5 ай бұрын
@@Carlin2810 lol im canadian and id give up "free healthcare" to be an american without needing even a second to stop and think about it.. MAID is the smoking gun that proves the americans have always been right on government healthcare being a bad idea..
@robwashers
5 ай бұрын
Hi, try this book ... 'A People's History of the United States' by Howard Zinn. gl from the UK
Can't wait for the next one
Was expecting outrage in the comments. Reassuring to see the 3 dozen I scrolled found your assessment even handed and educational. Thanks for shedding more light on this history of which my knowledge is limited. More power to you Tik.
I'm so glad someone like you has as many subscribers as you do. I'm worried people are running away with themselves and getting triggered by political narratives when history should be studied in an unbiased way.
I absolutely love when I believe something to be true and then somebody steps in and turns my thought process upside down. Thank you very much. Subscribed and look forward to devouring your library and more videos you make. ❤
Tik your history lessons make me a better person
That was an unexpected and surprisingly deep dive into the history of british politics and economy.
I grew up on a family farm. To be frank, though we did not starve, we were always poor. The farm was...well...shitty. Literally. Cows, chicken, pigs, ducks, etc all shitting everywhere all the time. The water came from a well that was under the land the shit was all over. Dad stopped farming and went to work at a factory. We never had so much money. We stopped farming the land, stopped raising our own animals except for FFA and 4H projects, and leased the majority of the land to another farmer. We sold out to another family member in the late 70s, moved to town and never looked back. My dad was the first person in his family to live past 60. People can wax poetic about the "idyllic" life on the farm, but that is such patent BS, no actual farmer could tolerate it.
@darthcalanil5333
Жыл бұрын
My grand father was a farmer. His mission in life according to him was to suffer back breaking work in order to allow his sons and daughter to get good education and find better jobs and better life than the farmer's life.
@long-hair-dont-care88.
Жыл бұрын
If you seek freedom fram life is best life you can't exit the system without food production ability.
@oddballsok
Жыл бұрын
haha ..true that !
@lamwen03
Жыл бұрын
Country life is just dandy. Farm life is an unending grind. Even today, with all the mechanization available, a family I'm following routinely work 12 to 14 hour days when the weather permits. Often more.
@davejob630
Жыл бұрын
@@lamwen03 Even just keeping the weeds under control, the firewood for winter cut, the tree's trimmed and bushfire fuel cleared away is almost a full time job on 40 acres, let alone controlling the rabbits, keeping the fencing maintained, the vege garden free of pests, weeds, and the fruit trees clear of birds....those folk who idealise the country self sufficient lifestyle have next to no real life experience IMHO.
Mosley just sounds like a socialist who is not trying to lie to me.
@themanchestercollective3616
Жыл бұрын
He was a patriotic right wing socialist opposed to left wing globalist fascism.
@longiusaescius2537
Жыл бұрын
Yeah
@osamaobama
Жыл бұрын
Mosley was basically right about everything
"Standard history books," just like state-approved and employed historians, are just that. State approved to be acceptable by whatever ideology rules the day. And should therefore be studied and taken with just as much skepticism and research as any other source.
In Peaky Blinders Mosley was performed beautifully but written diabolically.
@lucidmoment71
5 ай бұрын
Peaky Blinders is a travesty of history.
Mussolini was held up as a success by politicians and the press on both sides of the left/right.
"But so soon as anyone, be they an individual or an organized interest, steps outside those limits, so that his activity becomes sectional and antisocial, the mechanism of the corporate system descends upon him." -Oswald Mosely, founder of the British Fascist Party
Well done!
People want simple answers to complicated situations.
@Harry_Tick
6 ай бұрын
Stupid is what stupid does.
so far i am at 36 mins and can only think. 100 years later and nothing has changed . the essence of the 1920s is the same today and here we are just hoping for a new party. as the old ones are failing the country
@TheImperatorKnight
10 ай бұрын
Perhaps I'm pessimistic, but I think any new party will either be suppressed or become corrupted, and be the same as the current ones
@bigfoot8103
3 ай бұрын
Party pooper!
I have to take issue with one of your statements. The status quo of the conversations was to... "To PREVENT the poor from IMPROVING their standards of LIVING"? I would need some hard evidence that anyone goes out of their way to PREVENT someone from improving their standard off living. Not want to spend effort to HELP someone else, I could understand, but, to *actively* PREVENT? NEED MORE INPUT...
@stevewatson6839
Жыл бұрын
The amount of input doesn't matter if you lack the horsepower to process it.
@ramixnudles7958
Жыл бұрын
@@stevewatson6839 Where we're going, we don't need horses. Nurses would be nice. Candy stripers, too.
@longiusaescius2537
Жыл бұрын
Huh
Excellent content. I, perhaps unsurprisingly, had no idea about this. Much food for thought.
Re: the start of this video on your commentary about the flow of labour from the countryside to the cities with the growth of industrialisation, there is one major omission in your analysis: the enclosures. Several million people sustained their livelihoods (admittedly in relative poverty) farming strips of land in "open-field systems" whilst having access to commons such a fields where livestock they owned could graze or woodland where pigs could be put out to pannage. Whilst industrialisation, urban population growth and economic growth increased trends in larger farming systems (farms) to generate higher food production, open-field/common-field land-use patterns remained more conducive to the production of market-garden produce for longer around the major English towns such as Leicester, Nottingham & Liverpool. Between 1760 & 1870 about 7 million acres (about 1/6th of England) were changed from common-land to enclosed land by some 4,000 acts of enclosure - mainly for sheep grazing. A suite of business innovations (double-entry accounting, the joint-stock company, etc.) combined with this systematic policy of kicking people off commonly managed lands so that a system of “rent seeking” could be built up for wealthy people to extract money from the working poor.
@BrorealeK
6 ай бұрын
Shhhh, he doesn't like to acknowledge that the free market jsut extracts wealth from the working poor.
You should tell the aristocracy in Imperial Russia that their revolution accomplished nothing and the elites stayed in power. I am as anti-Communist as the other guy, but the real threat of having their stuff taken and their heads cut off was the thing that balanced the concentration of power in the elites of the west in the 20th century. It is the dominance of a single ideology (whether left OR right) that creates the excesses, and it is competition and balance that limits them.
@johnnyjohn-johnson7738
Жыл бұрын
The Bolsheviks to my knowledge were complete outsiders, the mainstream "revolutionaries" and "radicals" in Britain on the other hand were all aristocrats or at the very least rubbing shoulders with the crown.
It was the agricultural revolution before the industrial revolution in the UK. The Norfolk four field crop rotation system made a huge difference and led in no small part to the population of the UK rising five fold from 1700 to 1850.
@MaxPowerPT
Жыл бұрын
Perfect, also the new crops from the Americas made a tremendous impact, and unfairly forgotten nowadays.
Thanks for the stats. I had not made that link, but I had always believed that when my great grandparents moved from fishing villages to coal mines they were not complete idiots.
Very interesting cheers
Excellent. I've always wondered why I hated politics. American definitions may be slightly different, but you make amazing points. Thanks
Just a comment on Thatcher. While yes the poll tax in itself was a terrible idea, wasn't it bought in to replace another evil tax which is council tax? The better solution is to get rid of council tax altogether and allow private companies to compete for bin collection services. Also she was the best conservative PM in history IMO (obviously the standards are not very high). Had she not bought in the reforms in the early 1980s the UK would have plunged into a Greek style economy. She also had a massive battle on her hands because whenever she tried doing anything remotely radical and free marketish, both her own party and the public would be in uproar. Thatcher was not voted in because of her free market beliefs, she was voted in because the country was sick of 1970s socialism... She was extremely unpopular early on and was only saved by the Falklands. She unfortunately became more statist in her later years in office which was a shame. This just tells me if the people cannot even tolerate minor Thatcher market reforms with some deregulation, then those who want a true free market in Britain are dreaming.
@Mitch93
Жыл бұрын
It just means that pro-free market people need to learn from the statists and get better at propaganda and convincinng people. Also, to grow a backbone and stand firm for their convictions and beliefs without compromise.
@TheImperatorKnight
Жыл бұрын
"The better solution is to get rid of council tax altogether and allow private companies to compete for bin collection services." Bravo! That's precisely what I've been saying. - "Had she not bought in the reforms in the early 1980s the UK would have plunged into a Greek style economy. She also had a massive battle on her hands because whenever she tried doing anything remotely radical and free marketish, both her own party and the public would be in uproar." I do agree with that assessment. From her point of view, she was in a tough position, and she inherited a country that was on its knees. However, my point is to say that she's not what people perceive her to be. And if people take their emotions out of the equation and look at the facts, yes she closed the mines, but the industries she supposedly "privatised" weren't really privatised. The railways are still owned by the government via their corporation: National Rail. It's only nominal privatisation, not actual. And she introduced the Poll Tax, which is obviously a tax increase.
@connormcqueen3633
Жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight all true... There were so good reforms made to the financial sector and she did give some pretty good speeches. I think her and Reagan were great speakers but could not pull the trigger when it mattered most. I would still take both over the shower of shite we have today on both sides of the pond.
@stevewatson6839
Жыл бұрын
Poll tax replaced the domestic rates; council tax "replaced" the Poll Tax. More like put a pair of knickers on it imho! The Domestic Rates if I recall properly were a part of Liberal governance before they went off the deep end.
@stevewatson6839
Жыл бұрын
@@TheImperatorKnight Her better ideas were just watered down Powell. I'd be interested in hearing your take on John Enoch someday.
"Just get a room will ya" xD that was perfectly delivered - Great video Sir.
@TIKhistory Perhaps something got cut in the edit but at 32:59 you state that Mosley sent his unemployment proposals To Keynes, yet at 33:34 you state Mosley got his ideas From Keynes (only reference on screen is that of the AJP Taylor book you were critiquing with none for your comment); you also state at 35:42 that Keynes had no influence on the Labour Party at the time - what am I missing here? p.s. Thank you for the video.
I hope to see a world where disclaimers like the one in the beginning are not needed, but sadly people have too many feelings and not enough common sense today.
Mosley was never a 'Lord' he was a hereditary Knight, a 'Baronet'. Being a member of the very wealthy landed gentry he really had very little to do. So politics was his hobby. The Mosleys had a great deal of property and also a small village in South Lancashire. That village grew quite a bit and its people wanted to improve their political status against the Lord of the Manor and held a demonstration which was put down by the County Magistrates in 1819. However, the local people even managed to get itself a couple of MPs as a new 'reformed' Parliamentary Borough under the 1832 Reform Act. Then in 1835 they got themselves Borough status under the Municipal Corporations Act. The problem was that the Land Lord of the Manor owned most of its territory, so the new council negotiated a buy-out from the Mosleys. The old main street of this village is 'Mosley Street' and the price agreed with the Mosleys for the land was .... £800,000 in 1838 - do the math for today's value. Oh, the village is called 'Manchester'.
@themanchestercollective3616
Жыл бұрын
And proud of him.
@Fanakapan222
Жыл бұрын
@@themanchestercollective3616 Hmmmm. Proud ? For so many years Mosley was the turnip ghost of British politics, probably due to so many big political names of living memory having flirted with him whilst they were still on the way up ? I'm amazed that TIK has so many works covering the Mosley phenomena, its maybe a sign that he has passed firmly into the historical and therefore unthreatening realm, thus enabling a full examination.
@longiusaescius2537
Жыл бұрын
@Fanakapan222 if that was the case Fascists wouldn't be arrest more than ISIS veterans in the UK
This is the best video on our political state ever
The main reason people left their farms was that their landlords evicted them to raise sheep. Infant mortality was higher in the cities and the decline in the early 19th century was due to increased immunity following a wave of epidemics caused by urban living.
What a great piece which makes more sense than the old left/right argument. We seem to have gone full circle with 'stakeholder capitalism' and Conservatives taxing us to the hilt with artificially high energy and food prices as a result of net zero policies. Far better to measure political parties based on free markets (red tape / regulation), cost of living (inflation), individual rights and taxation (direct and indirect) etc. On that score all mainstream parties score badly.
42:57 Labor/Socialists: "It's not our fault we suck, it's the system that made us fail"
@Rbloxx81
Жыл бұрын
Socialists acting within the government's methods of the election process (Democracy) is the reason why they fail to garner power in the modern day.
One problem is that Britain is not a true democracy with proportional representation. The common citizen is not represented or has any voice in Parliament. We vote in representatives that only persue their own selfish aims.
@keithstevens5614
Жыл бұрын
Took them 3 years and 2 PMs to execute the Brexit voted on in a direct democratic process, raging and fuming all the while, threatening and throwing around their vendettas along the way. They also decided that Brexit was the last straw, regretted they allowed the people taste too much democracy here, and vowed never to repeat the same mistake again. From now on only dictatorship and obedience. Referendum/direct democracy is now called populism which can then be interpreted in some twisted way as fascism, while top-down dictat is democracy.
@greyfells2829
Жыл бұрын
Well the UK tried a democratic vote with brexit and see how that turned out.
Looking at the grave stones in my village, i was shocked to read on a headstone from the 1880s a death in the parish at 36 and the death of his two daughters at the age of 6 and 9 years, just yesterday the 8th of april 2024, was it famin in the uk ? .
So as an American hearing this, I wonder if many Brits who aren’t that informed ( but think they are) think conservatives are low tax because in America, they generally are low tax. Granted it depends on the conservative and some want to be more like their British counterparts.
@longiusaescius2537
Жыл бұрын
@Jeremy Adrian he's a basic bitch liberal malding that everyone of his types victories for the last 70 years and not working out wasn't be those policies were shit but because it was actually those evil scheming aristocratic federalist fascists ruining his perfect globalization state
@PointNemo9
Жыл бұрын
Firstly, why would Brits base their definition of conservatism according to policies in another country? Secondly, are conservatives in the US really that low tax? Or is it effectively the same game as being played in the UK? Who was the last Republican to substantially lower taxes?
@kered13
Жыл бұрын
@@PointNemo9 Bush and Trump both had rather substantial tax cuts without significantly raising taxes in any other area (though Trump did close a bunch of tax loopholes). In the US the equivalent "game" is that Republicans claim to be in favor of a government with a smaller and balanced budget. But in practice tax cuts are never balanced with corresponding spending cuts, and Republicans have usually spent just as much as Democrats, just differently.
@BrorealeK
6 ай бұрын
If you don't take into account state governments, you're lying by ommission. Conservatives love taxes--sales taxes, which generally hurt the poor. In many rural US states the sales tax can be as high as 10%.
Fantastic, well done
Brilliant work! Now I have to figure out how to share this without triggering the idiots.
@chrissedaka8141
Жыл бұрын
The share button near the top of the page offers one means. Copy-pasting the url is another. Idiots triggered by fact will always be triggered, but people seeking to be informed will appreciate it. Don't allow the latter to be denied by appeals to the temperaments of the former.
@themig71
Жыл бұрын
Well said.
@chrissedaka8141
Жыл бұрын
@@themig71 Thank you.
When you look at 3rd position politics where shares of stock are sold exclusively to the worker of said company, it makes a lot of sense. Similar in operation and stability to tbe modern day Credit Union. Its straight forward and has very few moving parts. Also, such an enclosed autarkic "syndicalist" economy would prevent external and international interests from meddling in domestic economic affairs. You can still have low taxes, small government and technological advancement while at the same time giving the workers a greater piece of the pie and a bigger voice in the board room. With their own personal wealth on the line, the stock holding workers will perform their jobs well so as to collect the maximum dividend from their labor efforts.
@Carlin2810
Жыл бұрын
You realise thats pretty much the core tennants of Marxism right,the workers owning the means of production & worker co-ops.
Remarkable. I discussed this last night with my son. A good analysis. I also agree the deliberate Left versus Right fog is just that. More so today than in the past, however. It is also remarkable that the new fascism of today (Green-Red-Woke) camouflage is backed financially by many of the same oligarchic/ruling establishment families which backed the old fascism - and indeed also various other wars, Revolutions, fanatical and deranged movements/ideologies and a transfer of more wealth from the working people (lower and middle class) to the ‘Supremacist Clique / Cabal’. Hence, had Mosley existed today, he well have been in the Labour/Lib/Green/Tory party and pushed Oligarchic dystopia under the guise of wanting to do good for the masses (normal people > 99%). Over privilege breeds contempt, mysticism instead of logic / science / progression, sociopathic behaviour and also, unfortunately, psychopathic trends. History clearly shows us this clearly. Indeed recent history shows us this. Here in Germany, 70 % have learned nothing from recent history and de facto fascism in imperial, National Socialist and now US/WEF-UN/EU type. Mostly, it is the East Germans who can still spot a pig dressed up as a ballerina.
@leqtix4391
11 ай бұрын
ur insane
@BrorealeK
6 ай бұрын
Modern fascism is just fascism. It's a guy on a state-sponsored concert pretending to nuke the US. It's a bunch of cops and used car salesmen trying to launch a coup on the US government. It's the belief in the Nation as a deliberately amoebic and nebulous thing that can be molded to manipulate people without consideration for who it destroys, openly.
Why did Dickens not compare the plight of the poor to their plight a hundred years earlier? Because that doesn't make sense. He was comparing the plight of the poor to the plight of the rich capitalists living in the same day and age. This is why I started to distrust Libertarianism, the arguments seem to make sense on a small scale, but fall apart as soon as you take a moment to think about the bigger picture. Just like some other ideologies I could, but will not, add. 😀
great vid
Virtually every country in Europe had his Oswald Mosley in the 1930's and 40's the only difference was how successful they were in gaining power.
@johnnyjohn-johnson7738
Жыл бұрын
Eoin O'Duffy was like what an Irish version of Mosely played by Mel Gibson in a movie's alternate reality would be.
Now THIS is different and interesting! Great job doing dives into the why of stuff like this! Your the one KZreadr I constantly reference when dealing with all the morons who refuse to cite sources or do any serious research.
@theImperatorknight can you please make a video on lasseaire fare economics and if It was the cause and why not ? That would be really useful
Did the enclosures not play a huge part in why people left the countryside for the cities?
Excellent video Tik, I was someone who got caught up in the whole left vs right ideological battle but now I just look at the world through the optics of moral vs immoral, good vs evil.
I've been religiously listening to your channel purely to learn about political ideology and its history
The ambivalence -- on all sides -- is use of the word "progress". . . without definition.
this is my 3rd try at this vid - fell asleep or got distracted previously. this time I will absorb!! edit - holy crap..
Can you do a video on King Carol II of Romania short lived corporatist regime 1938-1940?
@alanpennie
Жыл бұрын
Romanian fascism is an interesting topic. There may be a link back to Alexandru Cuza, the reform - minded dictator (domnitor) of the 1860s.
I've never taken the left-right spectrum very seriously. It forces a bunch of contradictory ideologies onto the same axis together and re-enforces tribalism.
16:13 the liberals considered themselves the party of reason, they love a good sounding argument. The conservatives would have kicked the Hegelians out on their ears.
You could mention mercantilism (which if judged fairly was a set of theories and policies not just about favorable trade balances in some sort of obvious or acknowledge fatalist negative sum game race protectionist to the bottom but also about stimulating the economy). In the General Theory, J.M. Keynes even likened himself to the mercantilists, who he tried to partially rehabilitate.
@jmgonzales7701
Жыл бұрын
isnt merchantilism capitalism?
@user-wi3yx3gy2o
Жыл бұрын
@@jmgonzales7701 No mercantilism is political economic strategy/philosophy or a set governmental policies designed to increase the exports of a country relative to imports or even to increase exports and reduce imports, to increase the inflow of gold, into the country and reduce the outflow of gold out of a country as a general economic strategy. It is a more of an old style early capitalism big government political philosophy. It was, in practice, similar to the following policies: subsidies (especially export subsidies and subsidies for and high tech or capital intensive industries), import substitution, protectionism, weak currency policies, and even (in a sense) stimulative monetary policy. But it was primarily an 18th century pre-classical liberal economic policy. The classical liberals in Britain, like Adam Smith, were advocating for more laissez fare (free market) policies as to replace mercantilist policies.
@jmgonzales7701
Жыл бұрын
@@user-wi3yx3gy2o is there a place for mercantilism in the present?
@user-wi3yx3gy2o
Жыл бұрын
@@jmgonzales7701 Well many of the policies used by the mercantilists to increase the amount of gold and production (especially high value added production)in their countries. are either drasticallycurtailed or outlawed by the GATT/WTO rules. Also, you might not have a reason to have a main economic policy of accumulating gold if gold is not the basis of you and your trade partners' currency systems. However, some countries still do things that would be considered quite protectionist or pro export, including currency manipulation import substitution, tariffs, either in defiance to or under exceptions to the GATT/WTO rules. But according to Keynes, Keynesianism is a almost a form of neo-mercantilism, or rather mercantilism a crude unintentional form of proto Keynesianism. This is not exactly my assessment, but his. Also "we are going to be better off if our country imports more gold by producing more high value goods reducing imports and increasing exports" is not far off from "we are going to be better off if our country produces more of the things we and foreign countries consume, even if we have to resort to subsidies and even if our consumers have to pay higher taxes or higher prices for imports" or "jobs are more important than cheap imports, so we need positive policies to create jobs at home even at the expense of imports being more expensive for consumers." So similar policies exist but with slightly different underlying philosophy.
Knocked it out of the park with this one! Been following your stuff for a while, quality is always high, but the expanded intro made this one even better! Much appreciation to all your efforts, TIK, never stop.
*Sir Oswald Mosley
First half of this video is literally one of the greatest works by TIK in his career in my opinion. 😂
So familiar to these times at 24:00!
Very happy that you're exploring Mosley and British fascism TIK. Your videos always make my monday evenings so much better! :)
Additionally, in the preindustrial period, farm workers didn't work for the entire year. Large numbers of workers were needed for planting and harvesting. The rest of the year, there was a large number of unemployed men. Prior to the French Revolution (and the introduction of mass conscription) this was the population that armies were made of.
5:30, no, the real political spectrum does exist, rule of law vs rule of might. Most Socialist and National Socialist doctrines are based on the rule of might with some flavor of ethnic/racial divide, not equal rule of law. Rule of law requires as a base that all people in a society are equal before the law, with no free pass for dictators, corruption, race, and ethnicity.
5:00 Thank You!!!
Hello, Would you ever do a video on Enoch Powell?