As context Novák was supposed to be an “ideal woman” and represent an image of a mother of many kids, working hard and taking care of the family. She has often said that the family is saint and children must be protected, than have a presidential pardon to a child predator

@xXRealXx

3 ай бұрын

Well, these kinds of people, that are in power, are usually hypocrites. At least it looks like that to me

@jadenjerries2094

3 ай бұрын

It's always the conservatives that talk about "protecting the children" while brushing cases of child abuse under the rug. To them, child abuse is only when kids are exposed to anything LGBT.

@fear_the_smile961

3 ай бұрын

​@@NisiCaloponis "Your honor I was tricked. She said she was 18" lol

@ptonpc

3 ай бұрын

@@NisiCaloponis Strangely enough, just about ever child predator says the same thing "I didn't know / It wasn't my fault" The powerful filth that defend paedophiles also make the same claims. Just admit, you are the same.

@ImreneJecsi

3 ай бұрын

Endre Kónya was the one who helped the abused children withdraw the report and blackmailed them with various things

One thing that you didn't mention is that Novák apologized when she resigned - not to the victims of course, but to her political allies she had to abandon because of this.

@humorpalanta

3 ай бұрын

It would also be worthy of mention that Novák and Balog (bishop of reformate church) went to several vacations together, without their spouses, on governmental money on the governmental plane. And it is likely that her 2nd child is from Balog, not from her husband.

@turkizno

3 ай бұрын

And that we are paying for their ""contribution"" to our government with our tax money 'til they hit the bucket..

@Signorina1552

3 ай бұрын

He also apologised to the victims. Please do not listen selectively to the speech of the former President of the Republic.

@Signorina1552

3 ай бұрын

@@humorpalanta This is slander, defamation. Aren't you ashamed to spread such things? Ez egyáltalán nem humoros, hanem nagyon aljas.

@humorpalanta

3 ай бұрын

@@Signorina1552Said by you who does nothing but dezinformation XD

As famous Hungarian writer, Jenő Rejtő once wrote: "The truth is sometimes burried under, but lies are always found out."

@-Teca-

3 ай бұрын

Thats just dumb lmao

@donovanlocust1106

3 ай бұрын

​@@-Teca-or you're just dumb?

@RobespierreThePoof

3 ай бұрын

Not sure that this is an accurate statement.

@Hardcore_Remixer

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, totally dumb. Especially when everyone has sonething hide, especially politicians regarding their ideology. (Sarcasm, in case it wasn't clear. I'd like to avoid misunderstandings)

@InterMaus

3 ай бұрын

A better quote from him would be "A made up lie is never worth as much as clever truth telling" And honestly i never heard your quote from him.

Advice to politicians: If your instinct tells you this is going to look bad if it becomes public, don´t do it! Sooner or later the information will leak out.

@andrewhutchings8567

3 ай бұрын

Peter Beattie, a Premier of the Australian state of Queensland once noted that 'the cover up will do a lot more damage than the stuff-up." His successful application of this idea earned him the nickname of 'Teflon Pete'.

@themurmeli88

3 ай бұрын

"Naah, it'll be fine, because I'm, the smartest in the history of ever, unlike everyone else!" -every politician ever

@BladeTheWatcher

3 ай бұрын

Don't think for a second Novak had a choice. She got the list from Orban, and she had to sign it without question. Or next day she is out - of presidency, of any job, of any perspective. Orban made this clear in 2010 when he fired everyone from the committee of landmark names not only from the committee, but from their day jobs the next day they made a decision he didn't like. And that was just about a name! She is just a pawn - if there is a problem, she is sacrificed, while Orban remains in power. Any seat of power in Hungary is empty - except for Orban's. The "president" is just a title.

@bloodwargaming3662

3 ай бұрын

Avg conservative. You should go and see how their ministers were cought in a gay orgy just after giving out extremely homophobic statements

@aspenhill9662

3 ай бұрын

Saying as if that choice was completely free for her. There must have been a lot of interests involved.

As a Hungarian, this will not bring down Orbán. HOWEVER, there has never been a scandal like this since Fidesz first came to power. In scandals, outrage is almost exclusively shown inside the opposition. Most news sources are controlled by oligarchs loyal to the government, and Fidesz can just afford to not talk about. This, however has reached most of the country. Fidesz could not only face a challenge because of this in the upcoming EU elections, but also in the Hungarian mayoral elections this year which also tend to be competitive. By winning in various cities, the opposition can amass strength, and if that happens, in two years time, Fidesz could lose its supermajority. From there, they have much less power.

@Joey-ct8bm

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, i was curious. Didn't Orban built a house or office inside Buda Castle with like a balcony? Like a king speaking to his people. I heard that from a Hungarian.

@forianproductions6113

3 ай бұрын

@@Joey-ct8bm I think the one you are thinking of is the former Carmelite Monastery of Buda, which is his office and where the cabinet meets.

@Karim94222

3 ай бұрын

​@@Joey-ct8bm Even the German chancellor is expanding his office costing 800 million, while telling the people there is not enough money and they need more dept and taxes. They really are like Kings.

@thewingedhussar4188

3 ай бұрын

That Is the thing orban seems to have failed to remember or realize. Absolute power corrupts Absolutely. An orban has been in office for so long, stuff like this will happen.

@Tervezo001

3 ай бұрын

Hazudos rohadék ATV RTL nincs oligarchák kezébe a legnézettebb TV mind ellenzéki a legnézettebb online újság mind ellenzéki! Lehet hogy nem Gyurcsány Ferenccel kéne indulni minden évben és akkor lehet hogy nyernetek egyszer igazi lúzer vagy

5:50 I was also there in the protest, since then they say that it was more like 100-150k people there. For me, it's totally believable, because I was in several protests and there was no similar to this one in the past 10 years. A huge amount of people were there, and fortunately, it was a civil protest, so no parties tried to make marketing out of this one. I'm really grateful for this video, so English speakers can see more clearly how insane things are here and what Orban says in media, 99% of it is total BS. He is a salesman, but nothing is true about what he is trying to sell.

@kimwit1307

3 ай бұрын

That goes for a lot of politicians of his ilk, like Erdogan, Trump, etc.

@gaborrajnai6213

3 ай бұрын

There were two of them, the one in 2012, when he made the rightwing constitution, that was also 100.000+ and the one, which was organized againt the blocking of the internet. Thatswhy Im sceptical if thisone will lead to anywhere.

@DK-nx9ri

3 ай бұрын

So the alternative is the leftist government like in most countries and that leads the whole world to disaster. Considering there is no decent politics these days he is better that the left. Those who screwed up resigned. Look at the current USA. President that is not able to go to the court but who is apparently good enough to lead 1/2 of the world.

@internethardcase

3 ай бұрын

He is the reason Hungarians aren't a minority in Budapest like the English are in London. Show some gratitude

@kimwit1307

3 ай бұрын

@@internethardcase Hungary has never been an immigration country to begin with. It never had any colonies, the Iron Curtain prevented any and for quite a while afterwards Hungary had more emigration due to economics. Not to mention that the language is nearly impossible to understand for 99% of the people... In other words: Orban's got pretty much nothing to do with it.

A little correction: even the lowest estimates show that turnout of the protest was 150.000 people, not just 50.000. And there are no major or rather any protest all around Hungary just in Budapest.

@JUAN_OLIVIER

3 ай бұрын

And I take it that estimate you got from a leftist source?

@albernjmr2261

3 ай бұрын

@@NisiCaloponis 50k was a low-border estimate by the organizers, at least so many people answered the arrangement on FB.

@hunvandorrr6957

3 ай бұрын

From a conservative statistical perspective they measured the area taken up by the protesters and used pictures and drone videos, to estimate the figure which is: 130k-160k people, the government propaganda is trying to downplay any threats against the government, and it said the 40k-50k figure

@thelivingtechnomachine

3 ай бұрын

@@JUAN_OLIVIERwell, since the right reported a couple thousand which is definetely not true since I was there and saw it with my own eyes.. I have my reasons for a little bit of bias towards the left. But at the end of the day these are just estimates. I may not be right.

@Signorina1552

3 ай бұрын

There were no demonstrations anywhere outside Budapest. People in the countryside are normal.

It's a pretty good summary, but there are a few important things that were left out: The first time children and two caregivers from the children's home reported the abuses, an investigation was launched but the case was covered up. The pedophile director's lawyer was a local deputy mayor from the Fidesz party, who incidentally was also a lawyer. Shortly after, the director was praised by a Fidesz minister who was the head of the Hungarian Reformed Church, Bishop Zoltán Balog, a friend of Orbán Viktor and the pedophile director and his assistant helpers. A few years later, when a child committed suicide due to the abuses, due to significant media attention, both the pedophile director and the assistant director who helped cover it up had to be arrested. Interestingly, Orbán's family's star lawyer defended the director and his assistant. Furthermore, it turned out that Győző Orbán, Viktor Orbán's brother, had business connections with the pedophile director. When the case broke, initially the government media tried to whitewash the assistant deputy director, Orbán didn't react for days, then quickly dismissed the two mentioned ladies, and due to public outrage and further journalistic investigations, the bishop partly resigned, but he refuses to resign from his bishop title. Orbán is unwilling to explain his and his family's involvement, rather he sacrifices everyone and deflects the topic, only willing to speak to government propaganda media, but he hasn't even apologized to the victims.

@samuela-aegisdottir

2 ай бұрын

Sad. Shocking. But not really suprising. This is how state capture works. And this is exactly why state capture is very bad.

Greetings from Budapest! This is a good and useful summary of what has happened in Hungary in the last couple of weeks.

@Signorina1552

3 ай бұрын

Greetings from Hungary (which is not just Budapest.) The opinion of Budapest does not reflect the opinion of the country, it's just the loudest people there. But the real Hungary is the countryside.

@NAYRUthunder99

3 ай бұрын

​@@Signorina1552This is tragically evident.

@myownfreemind6627

3 ай бұрын

@@Signorina1552 spot the supporter of child predators! The fact you feel the need to defend this is telling enough. You’re an embarrassment to us Hungarians and stop speaking for us. Because those who don’t know better are uneducated on what reality is out of our tiny country.

@attilagyorffy

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@Signorina1552Of course Budapest isn’t equal to the whole country. Nobody even remotely implied that. What’s your point? What’s up with this whole “real Hungary” message? There’s really no reason to start a conflict between random people on the internet. ❤

@adamschmidt9084

3 ай бұрын

@@Signorina1552 Well it's time for the countryside to also step up against protectors of child predators

Hungarian here. One additional information, the Fidesz voters are also very upset with this pardon case, because this was one of the main communication presprective from the Fidesz in the past years. But honestly, this is the first good video about the scandal (outside Hungary). Keep it up TLDR!

@borzix1997

3 ай бұрын

But they are not upset enough to refrain from voting for the Fidesz bunch of criminals, unfortunately.

@bereal6590

3 ай бұрын

I really feel for you guys living with all this ✌

@farhanatashiga3721

3 ай бұрын

Yeah i can see why they might feel betrayed on that

@Pekka.Pekka.1296

3 ай бұрын

Fidesz-voters are easy to manipulate poor people with low income and education. They are living in a constant cognitive dissonance fighting with scapegoats what fidesz finds out for them. Hungary even has a dedicated PROPAGANDA minister for feeding those people with sh.t. So Mr Orban will find a new virtual enemy for his not too smart supporters and that was it.

@Debilinside

3 ай бұрын

@@farhanatashiga3721 Yeah it stings for FIDESZ voters because any reasonable adult can see the government does awful things and really does not have a good handle on economics... But the notion of defending families and normalcy against the "decadent west" and the "Brussel libs" is still very appealing. Novák just spit in the face of this notion and as its widely known fact nobody has autonomy in hungarian government (so every decision is made by Orbán) there is really no defense for this event.

At last General Election there, the opposition got 10 minutes of TV time at 8am

@csat1078

3 ай бұрын

if you expect TV to be the biggest media influence you are stuck in the '90s.

@gaborrajnai6213

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, they spend billion to buy youtube and facebook ads as well, and have a false influencer community called Megafon, which spent 100.000 Euros on advertising just in the past two weeks.@@csat1078

@edyslavico3761

3 ай бұрын

​@@csat1078you tend that forget that a large percentage of voters (i.e. boomers) still watch a lot of TV.

@csat1078

3 ай бұрын

@@edyslavico3761 well I actully live in Hungary and even my 97 year grandma is either listening to her radio or youtube podcasts she likes :D. We are such a small country that most towns have broadband fiber to home internet connections. And TV here is actully very much in decline. Some households use it as a "constant background noise" but more out of a habit than as a way to geather the news. People 1: talk to each other, on the countryside that is the most influential way to spread news. Local people trust: eachother. They form communities which are inherently untrustworthy towards outsiders.

@yabbagabb00

3 ай бұрын

lol Large percentage of Hungarian voters are stuck in the 90's then, if we accept your terminology. If tv wasn't important, Orban and crew would'nt spend so much money on it.@@csat1078

2:02 don't forget to mention... University ROOM MATE of orbán.

@quintiax

3 ай бұрын

They were roommates... ohhhh

@gaborrajnai6213

3 ай бұрын

No, he was roommate with the guy, who escaped the gay orgy in Brussels. But they were in the same college with Ader.

@Nad76

3 ай бұрын

All of these thiefs coming from same branch. Hungary now is a Family firm. They own EVERYTHING in Hungary. If Fidesz lose the next election they can still lead the whole country.

@grrumakemeangry

3 ай бұрын

@@quintiaxOOOH

@NAYRUthunder99

3 ай бұрын

​@@quintiaxo ma gawd they were room mates

My English is not excellent so I heard that Pal Schmitt "plagiarized his doctoral feces" 🤣

@cl8804

3 ай бұрын

he reeli did

@timhocking529

3 ай бұрын

He probably did that too.

@c.g.silver8782

3 ай бұрын

😅

@krisdaschwab912

3 ай бұрын

No, your English is fine, you just heard what you wanted to hear xD

@ptonpc

3 ай бұрын

That's fair :)

As a Hungarian - this channel does the most accurate reporting on Hungary relared topics - by a long shot! Well done!

@attilagyorffy

3 ай бұрын

Seconded!

Why does it seem that everyone who goes out of their way, going above and beyond to claim they are all about protecting children-ends up being exposed for doing something bad to them?

@localhearthian2387

3 ай бұрын

Protection in their heads means control, control leads to indoctrination, and indoctrination leads to abuse.

@yucol5661

3 ай бұрын

Maybe cause people who do their job right do it smoothly and without crimes? At least quietly as far as intentional media cares. You’d NEVER see a good orphanage story or a good parent on the news, unless asking for help. And why should you? Those are for important or dire events. You don’t get exposure or public scrutiny if you are doing your job right.

@ireminmon

3 ай бұрын

Why does it always end up people the loudest about child abuse are actually sterile, childless city dwellers, unwilling to actually have children?

@Noidonteatbabiesstopasking

3 ай бұрын

Projection

Correction : 5:53 : We were much more than 50,000 there. Some estimate we were at least 150,000 at and around the Heroes square. I really hope this protests going to continue.

Family affairs minister pardons child abuser… “Strong family and conservative Christian values” What a joke

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

Yep the clear example of when dumb ppl comment on Hungarian events. Novak was president of state not family affairs minister, and the man got pardon was not a child abuser.

@doom8082

3 ай бұрын

@@NisiCaloponis He was worse than a child abuser. He helped abusers get away with it, thus promoting abuse because the consequences were gone.

As a Hungarian, excellent coverage. Feel like it's worth noting that the protests were organized by Hungarian influencers, rather than political parties. As far as I know, this is something unheard of until now - not just in Hungary, but on a global level.

@whiterussian3335

3 ай бұрын

what type of influencers

*150.000 people in the protest on Friday

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

150 million, rather. lmao.

@hefywefy5331

3 ай бұрын

​@@NisiCaloponisthat's not even the entire nation's population 💀

@humorpalanta

3 ай бұрын

@@hefywefy5331don't mind him, he is a troll

@albernjmr2261

3 ай бұрын

@@hefywefy5331 It's a troll, don't feed them

It was actually closer to 150 000 at fridays protest

As a Hungarian, this scandal will not make Orban fail, however, it can make his strong Fidesz party weaken. Those who don't live in Hungary must understand that the only reason why Orban is still in power after so many years is because there is no opposition that could provide competitive alternative or would be able to make people believe they're strong enough to run the country. The peaceful demonstration on the 16th Feb organised by online influencers was able to take nearly 100,000 people out to the streets of Budapest, which put any previous efforts from the opposition to shame. So quite righteously, some political analysts are now wondering whether this segment of the society could give a boost in power for the opposition. As I see it, if the opposition is unable to gain political leverage from this momentum of dissatisfaction, then what?! We'll see what future holds.

Additional info: the protest at Heroes's square was organized by online content creators and was supported by many celebrities, journalists, actors, singers, etc. the organizers strictly asked the political parties not to join as party and they said they don't want to see any party flag or badge. In addition, they wanted to maintain the focus on the actual victims of the poor and corrupt system which duty and role would be to protect children who live in child care homes or foster families, plus they highlighted the fact that many children suffer even within their own families. They (opposition politicans) participated as civilians, and probably that is another reason why it could become so big. Because huuuge majority of the people are not only sick of the Orban regime, but also dissappointed -and partially sick of them as well- about the opposition parties and politicians, especially Gyurcsány, who is an important pillar of Orban's regime. So this Friday protest is not only causing headache for the fidesz and their propaganda machine, but made it very obvious for many people that opposition parties have lost the trust and support of people (at least I think this way and I know many people who thinks the same).

I did not ever expect Hbomberguy to be mentioned in a TLDR video

@prypiatshadow6371

3 ай бұрын

Why was he mentioned? Did he do it or something?

@poland-lithuania

3 ай бұрын

@@prypiatshadow6371 He made a video about famous or semi-famous youtubers who plagiarized. This was also his first video since a video he made a year ago.

@aktuellyattee8265

3 ай бұрын

Why not? All of the TLDR team are cringely leftist. Of course they all watch someone as insufferable as Hbomberguy.

@mylescasey8914

3 ай бұрын

​@@poland-lithuaniasaid video also attempts to slander IH as a nazi, in typical breadtube fashion

@Doosteroni

3 ай бұрын

I hate that guy

150k+ protesters were present on Friday. The organisers were talking about 50k on site but after the event it came out that there were a minimum of 150k people present at the protest. Thanks for the report TLDR🙃

@Revokefarleft

3 ай бұрын

Did you count them 💀 I know Orban wants to make numbers look smaller but so the opposition to look bigger. Matter of fact the votes against Orban still remain low so that what matters

@williamforsyth6667

3 ай бұрын

@@Revokefarleft "votes against Orban" There are no democratic elections in hungary.

@gaborrajnai6213

3 ай бұрын

Not entirely. The capital is hugely anti Orban, and as far as I can tell you he lives there, so this is kindof a dangerous situation for him. @@Revokefarleft

@JUAN_OLIVIER

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like leftist propaganda.

@ZsoltLinzenbold

3 ай бұрын

@@Revokefarleft Nobody is contesting the numbers, not even the Orbàn media. It wasn't them trying to downplay it by saying that it was only 50k, the organisers themselves were talking about 50k during their speeches; probably that was the number they were assuming from what they could see and probably this is where TLDR got the number as well but the official numbers came out later and nobody was contesting them, actually the national media is presenting it like it was something organised by FIDESZ🙃

Church? Child abuse? Never...

@tanatswamaenda6724

3 ай бұрын

Catholic Church

@JUAN_OLIVIER

3 ай бұрын

You mean all those gay priests that are part of the LGBT? Never....

@PaulEmanuelCiobanu

3 ай бұрын

@@tanatswamaenda6724 Orthodox priests like children too..My local bishop and his cronies raped children from the orthodox seminar he lorded over ..for more than 20 years..Their were found out because they were blackmailing each other over money and positions but even with video evidence they are still free

@gaborrajnai6213

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, thats what we laughed on that the catholics turned on the Calvinists as well with a fury.@@tanatswamaenda6724

@royale7620

3 ай бұрын

+2LGBTQAIAIVI146(insert+70 letters) ? child abuse? Never...

As a Romanian from Transylvania we are also Hungarian

@Game_Hero

3 ай бұрын

Be proud of being Szekely, you can be your own thing.

@ekesandras1481

3 ай бұрын

but we don't want to belong to Orban's Hungary. Better to stay in Romania, where the economy is booming, than belonging to Hungary, where everything is stagnating and inflation has reached the highest value in all of Europe.

I wouldn't be surprised if he proposed himself as a president + prime minister, lol. Either way, we call him 'our King' already to make fun of his unrestrained power 🤡

@panzerschliffehohenzollern4863

3 ай бұрын

How about abolishing the post of President and create a new position that combine both the president and prime minister power? You could call it "Fuhrer" if you want! I'm sure the last holder of that title won't mind.

@bence01200

3 ай бұрын

@@panzerschliffehohenzollern4863 The saddest thing is that Fidesz voters wouldn't mind and wouldn't even realize how bad it is 🫠

@karankapoor2701

3 ай бұрын

​@@bence01200then ig you should be moving to Germany or other PROGRESSIVE countries right

@evanwang5777

3 ай бұрын

@@wotermelon_ Hungary isn't mediterranean.

@klb-og7cp

3 ай бұрын

@@evanwang5777 lol

This is a perfect summary for anyone outside of Hungary. Most foreign channels, journals missing key points, or fail to recognize, sometimes mislead about the chain of events, the weight, even the conclusion. Iam not sure, i ve ever seen any political video, that was actually this precise. Congrats! A small adendum, to one of the last point: many people in the world struggle to understand the secret of Orbans success, and the willingness of the hungarian people to support him despite of his party's corruption, arrogance, centralization. One of the critical factor to explain it was mentioned here: the majority of the voters don't find the opposition parties to be a real alternative to Fidesz. Fourth tier clueless politicians, spoiled children of the previous elite, led by a notorious liar, and utterly failed former prime minister (who is also openly a heavy alcoholic). They are incompetent, impotent, without any ideas about the country, other than getting rid of Orban. Many people rather shut their ears, and eyes to live with a system they hate, than vote for this.

I don't think the pardon was because of corruption, I just think they didn't really care enough to read up on who they were pardoning.

@elesvazul

3 ай бұрын

NO, the pardon was for Viktor Orban's close relative / friend or something. FIDESZ is legalised crime, they did not think this will be a scandal. Katalin Novák will receive millions of HUF / month as usual for the rest of Her life. From our hard work money of course.

@alihorda

3 ай бұрын

Ministers usually saving their relatives /friends. What is this, if not corruption? Abusing their powers for nepotism

@user-wl7zi6pc3j

3 ай бұрын

Well, they should have done this. They should have precisely looked up who they were pardoning, what crimes they commited before granting pardons.

@bwhog

3 ай бұрын

Yes, and if it took months to come out, it is because someone was looking for dirt, not because someone was concerned about him.

@borzix1997

3 ай бұрын

They knew exactly. Both Novák and Varga had copies of the ombudsman's report about pedophile crimes committed in 2011-12 by the culprits they later pardoned.

That protest was rather 150 thousand. Confirmed by multiple news sites.

The number of protesters on friday is incorrect. The 50k was a number that the planners hoped for. The actual number was arround 150k or a little bit higher.

@TSEliot1978

3 ай бұрын

Let's be honest it's the same crowds that always goes to these protests and votes against Orbán.

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

The actual number was 30k, in fact.

@albernjmr2261

3 ай бұрын

You are being really sure about this 30k @@NisiCaloponis

@doom8082

3 ай бұрын

@@albernjmr2261 Ofc he is. He got the number directly from Orban himself. Orban counted them personally, really reliable source.

@zsoltakielvarazsolt1614

3 ай бұрын

you counted it?@@NisiCaloponis

*Insert something about the Habsburg's* idk....

Thank you for covering this one for us Hungarians!

The Hungarian opposition is still so bad he has nothing to worry about :(

@billotto602

3 ай бұрын

Really ? I know nothing about Hungarian politics. I just know Orban seems to like Putin above any leaders in the EU or NATO. So, being an American, I'm wondering why doesn't he leave them & sign on with his BFF Putin ?

@ANDR0iD

3 ай бұрын

Idk. They are incompetent at playing the game that got created by Fidesz, but they are not "bad". They just have no voice at all, neither of them, not the far right mi hazank party, not the soft right Jobbik party, not the centrist momentum, and not to mention the our leftist parties, they are divided asf cause of Gyurcsány.

@tobi6891

3 ай бұрын

​​​@@billotto602 Because he knows the EU can offer him a lot of money that Putin cannot. He wants the EU's and NATO's benefits as long as he could while having similar goals in foreign policy as he wants to "protect" Hungarian minorities in neighbouring countries like Ukraine, Romania, Austria and Serbia just like Putin does with Russian minorities in countries of the former USSR. Also, he can buy cheap oil and gas from Putin and unfortunately Orbán knows how to take advantage of both Putin and the EU.

@csat1078

3 ай бұрын

@@billotto602 ah don't be a simpleton american. You should consider geography. If you are a small country shaped strategically in a way to be defenseless and wihout any form of energy just to be reliant on others... big suprise you must cooperate with others in the region. And Russia is a sizable power within Europe. If you are a realist you must solves issues like where do you source x-y-z from. I wouldn't call Biden Putin's BFF because the US increased 3 times the amount the uranium it sources from Russia. I won't even mention fertilizer imports into the US from Russia. If you need something and they can provide: you trade. What is the big deal? Economics is not "who is friendly with whom", but about "who you can make a deal with".

@williamforsyth6667

3 ай бұрын

"opposition is still so bad" It makes no sense speaking of the quality of opposition in a dictatorship.

I'm sure the Kremlin will let him know who to appoint.

@StevenHaze

3 ай бұрын

No, its is the CIA doing what they did in Ukraine, you just ask Poo-tin or Pesky, or Lavatory Or the Drunk Nicholas lookalike (Medvedev). 😁😁😁

@geraldmeehan8942

3 ай бұрын

100% true

@rageagainstmyhatchet

3 ай бұрын

There's a difference between general right wing nationalism and "all bad people must be in the pocket of the most bad person". We're not living in a comic book.

@TSEliot1978

3 ай бұрын

You read too much Western media.

3 ай бұрын

@@TSEliot1978 Several Fidesz-loyal celebrities talk about their respect for Putin and Russia like Nagy Feró in public. This is the real communication in the country right now. Russians are friends. (according to them)

Very well presented. Thank you.

Before you read this comment, please note that I am not supporting any of the parties or people mentioned in this comment. I have a more conservative than a liberal point of view, but I believe that we have to live and let others live the way they want and need to (within the accepted ethics, rules and without hindering anyone's life). I feel deeply disgusted by the Hungarian politics as a person born and raised in the country yet living abroad for the last 4 years now. Not because I didn't like my life in Hungary, but because I wanted to see more of the world. I was born and raised in Hungary and was about 5-6 years old when the government before Orbán's current reign admitted that they had f-ed up everything possible and lied to the people. Then came Orbán and for some time he really showed good progress for those who were really left on their own without any social support. Our economic crash started before the one in 2008. My parents (both entrepreneurs running successful businesses at the time) quickly saw the effect of the government's failure on their income, and their positive and lively outlook on life progressively turned into bitterness and pessimism. Soon after, my mom's business (supplying mainly public hospitals) went nearly bankrupt as the government denied any payments towards suppliers. It only became worse when Orbán's governance ended the campaign time after people (mainly those in the isolated countryside) believed that he is their guardian angel. They are left to believe that the guy before Orbán (Ferenc Gyurcsány, who is btw still in the parliament…) is the devil himself, as the propaganda has projected it. He fucked up in fact, that is true, and he should not be allowed to be in the parliament after what he has done. But that is just my personal opinion, on a side note. There are not many new faces in politics in Hungary, which is why it is hard to choose by any elections between worse and even worse. But the whole election system is made to support Orbán, and to be fair the opposition is pulling itself apart. Which makes them super pathetic and unserious. Just a bunch of clowns most of the time. This is sad because whenever I get asked where I am from the first topic is this, and it has become embarrassing. Sadly I am often not proud to say that I am Hungarian and hate how some friends of mine became supporters of the system and feel good about it due to their connections which I could also have but refuse to even think about as my moral compass could never allow me.. I am 23 years old, and I have no plans to move back home. I can not live and have a family in a country where hospitals are rotting, physics and chemistry are “taught” by the PE teacher if the school still has a PE teacher or where the country is owned by 5-6 families (as quoted by Peter Magyar). Also, I cannot live where they mix up and demonize the LGBT-Q community with pedophiles for the sake of propaganda while someone who has actively helped an actual pedophile for years while psychologically forcing victims to change their testimonies is back to working with kids. I always hope for change, at least when I think about my parents and grandparents, but I don't think that it will come any time soon.

@poonczey

3 ай бұрын

Kthxbye.

@mastermindd

3 ай бұрын

I remember the 2010 elections, people were so optimistic and hopeful for the future, after MSZP was finally ousted.

@holofernesz

3 ай бұрын

@egervarigreta7887 You'll feel better if you stop watching western media and read more centrist news. It does exist in this world but hard to find. I'm glad about the moral compass aspect of it. I too don't like the lack of choice, but as a person who has lived in a few countries in the West and actively follow politcs in all of those countries, not only is Orbán the lesser of evils in Hungary, he is better than most of the Western leaders combined. The way I see it is that politicans in most of the world are the loosers of society. They are rich people who didn't know what else to do with their lives and are uneducated. This is the sad state the world is in. Most governments are hypocrtical, use smoke and mirrors to draw attention to other people (look over there... Hungary is a bad country...pay attention to that!) while the corrption is rampant and far worse than anything Hungary has to offer. Canada as an example is on the tettering edge of the beginnings of becoming Communist. People in that country are just starting to wake up but they still don't understand the implications of the situation their government has formed. Don't feel embarrased.... even with this situation. When was the last time you saw someone from a more western "democracy" resign? It's been at least 20 years for me, despite many scandals and run ins with ethics commisioners and violation of basic laws like the bill of rights. What about that list that was just released regarding a special island? Nothing happened despite some big names being there. The only hospitals that are "rotting" are the ones in Budapest.... and that 's a complicated topic because they are the last places to be listed for upgrades as part of a master plan for revamping health care. All other rural places have either had brand new hospitals built or have had their clinics renovated. Your parents may have been in the beginnings of the reformations. Hungarians are very vocal and have an unrealistic group of people. It's really easy to bring a country to the brink of Bankruptcy (Gyurcsány) but it takes a long time to rebuild it. People have been consistently complaining for the past 6 years that Orbán hasn't done enough. How? If we do the math, 13(years in now)-6(years ago people started to complain) is 7 years in office. So people were expecting that everything should be fixed in 7 years? Change of government? Judicial system? Total beaurocracy and total revamp of economy of an entire country in 7 years? That's impossible. It's a wonder that he's even come this far in 13 years. Canada took 22 years to make one decision to procure new military jets. They are still using trainsets from the 1950's because they can't muster up enough might to actually build infrastructure and upgrade transportation in the country. Taxes they can raise overnight though and they can spend millions of dollars at the drop of a hat doing nothing. Canada's health care is falling apart and the USA has no health care... just saying. Nobody is demonizing the LGBTQ community, that's a western lie. They are demonizing specifically the trans community and if you want to know why, all you have to do is look at what is happening to Sweden with their current lawsuites by kids who went through gender change too young. Some regretted it and now have severe complications and mental health issues and others simply died through the process. There is an abundance of science available which talks about the development of a human and how the brain doesn't really stabilize until your mid 20's. If you only look at the science, confusing a child on gender etc is basically a travisty and in the same category as child abuse because of the mental anguish you are causing them. Many politicians in the EU are simply ignoring this for some reason. Migrants are 100% a nightmare. Ask anyone that has had to accept them that past few years. They are a drain because they are not immigrants. Orbán is 100% right on this topic. Don't like the corruption, don't like the favouritism and all that.... but when I compare it to other countries, it's way better.

I do like how this comment section is so civil and curious usually. Just a nice place for europeans to come together and learn about what's going on in each other's countries. There are a few trolls that say generalized negative statements and only express emotions instead of debate. Let's not get too annoyed by them. I would love to see more videos about EU news that are not only about politics! Surely there are some disruptive businesses on the continent, for example

His party’s polling at 50% I really don’t think he’s too worried.

as a Hungarian, I waited for your video about all this. But now I realized that for somebody from the outside this complicated story probably makes no fcking sense

@celtspeaksgoth7251

3 ай бұрын

We have scandals like this, so not too complicated

@Debilinside

3 ай бұрын

People in power or related to power are child abusers... This is unfortunately very common in almost every country.

@herptek

3 ай бұрын

There are scandals elsewhere as well, but the biggest real problem with Hungary as far as outsiders are concerned is their tacit approval of Russia. Why can't they have proper anti-russian right wing. They single handedly manage to make all right wing conservative ideas look bad in a manner not known before, by associating them to external enemies, dependencies and corruption. This was how the left wing used to be perceived of globally. The right wing has never been pro-russian in the past, except perhaps in Russia and not always even there.

@Fly_Slo

3 ай бұрын

Based on what I know about hungary, this may hurt orban a little bit but really won't change much imo. What do you think is going to happen?

@ClannCholmain

3 ай бұрын

It does and it doesn’t. The United States republican front runner was found guilty of being a predator by a jury of his peers in a civil case.

Aww those famous Christian values the same ones like at pis & ordo juris in Poland , Christian evangelicals in the USA and others that think they have a right to tell me how to live because THEY believe in a 2000 years old book

@celtspeaksgoth7251

3 ай бұрын

So you want to burn all books or not learn to read

@vih-qq9pm

3 ай бұрын

Because the left is so good at not pushing others around? Yeah...

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

In fact the left thinks they have a right to tell how ppl live, like for example you can send parents into prison in GB or Germany not letting their child to get transition. It is pure distopian totalitarism.The right thinks parents have the rights to take care of children.

Even the Hungarians are know who came to Britain for University (can’t make a more probably progressive demographic up) voted for him.

@JUAN_OLIVIER

3 ай бұрын

Probably because they took care of the cancer in western education where leftists use the education system to indocternate people.

Good research and clear delivery.

Why would it hurt Orban. Few guys messed up and resigned as they should. He just need to appoint some new guys for their places.

Man I wish our Belgian politicians had as much decency and class as the Hungarian ministers. If Hungarians mess up they feel guilty and do the responsible thing. In Belgium they feel no shame. They are openly corrupt and hold on to their power until it's completely surrealistic to do so and get dethroned by the party leaders.

The problem with unseating Orban is the same problem with unseating the two party system in the United States that it’s not politically viable. Because the parties that are more leftwing don’t have much power and they are heavily out gunned in the Hungarian political system that it’s just hard to have an alternative the parties literally pulled all their money together and backed one candidate against Orban and still got blown out. So it’s incredibly unrealistic to have a alternative to Orban. Hungary isn’t a dictatorship like Russia or North Korea because you won’t be arrested or killed for political speech but at best it’s a heavily flawed democracy.

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

The opposotion is which heavily flawed, not the democratic system in Hungary.

@KisDre

3 ай бұрын

@@NisiCaloponis '14 45% gave 66%(2/3). Nearly all of the radio, TV, and newspaper are goverment sided. Of course it is flawed. Don't be blind asf.

@holofernesz

3 ай бұрын

The opposition got blown out because they suck. They let Gyurcsány and his wife be the head of the opposition union.... and that was the end of that. Democracy is working just fine.... the opposition needs to be less corrupt and stupid.

Kudos for the "Damn you Hbomberguy" @2:00 ....hilarious

Unfortunately, nothing will change. They can brush it off with "See? You can't trust women with anything" and Hungary lost its "good cop", making international relations even worse which Fidesz's voter base LOVES, but makes the people who'd study and travel around the world suffer for it.

@ireminmon

3 ай бұрын

Everyone has to adapt their way of life to college students and people who roam around, right?

@19Szabolcs91

3 ай бұрын

@@ireminmon ??? How does excluding Hungary from the Erasmus exchange program help "the average Hungarian"? Aside from to spite the "liberal college students" shich is the entire goal, of course.

@prothyyy

3 ай бұрын

@olcs91 It helps because it makes the population a nation of uneducated, obedient little serfs that will keep voting in their dear leader even after he dies. Would you want Gyurcsány in power instead?!

@ireminmon

3 ай бұрын

@@19Szabolcs91 I don't see Hungary's foreign relations getting worse under Fidesz government with any country other than the EU member states. I don't see how Hungary is going to get excluded from Erasmus exchange programs either. I know EU tried to exclude Switzerland from erasmus though. Either way, the program has some serious flaws and its collapse could benefit the majority of Europeans who pay for the subsidies.

@19Szabolcs91

3 ай бұрын

@mon "I don't see Hungary's foreign relations getting worse under Fidesz government with any country other than the EU member states." - first of all, those are the most important partners, and second, it's getting worse with the US too, with two restrictions to the ESTA program already (for example, I cannot get an ESTA anymore because I happened to be born outside Hungary despite both me and my parents heing Hunarian, and me being a citizen and living here for 32 years - all because Fidesz has been selling citizenship to the Russian and Chinese maffia so it's a blanket sanction). "I don't see how Hungary is going to get excluded from Erasmus exchange programs either." - It's happening already, look it up.

Hungarian here. FACTS: - Novák and Varga were not autonomous individuals. They did as they were told. There is a single person running this country, everybody else is his avatar or proxy. The person is called Viktor Orbán. - Zoltán Balogh did not resign. He only resigned from the Hungarian Reform Church's synad leader's position. He is still a high ranking member of the Reform Church of Hungary. - There is a direct tie in with Endre Kónya (the pedophile collaborator, who was pardoned by the President) and Viktor Orbán's younger brother, Győző Orbán. Also, Endre Kónya is from Transylvania, and a worshiper of the YES YOU GUESSED IT, the Reform Church! Orbán is also a Reformist. Also, Orbán's wife, Anikó Lévai has some shady thing going on in Transylvania with a connection to Endre Kónya. The few independent press organizations are working on shedding light on this. - There were AT LEAST a 100 to 150 THOUSAND protesters on the 16th of February, organized by Hungarian KZreadrs. This was THE LARGEST protest in the last 10 years and our opposition leaders could not produce such numbers in the entirety of the last 14 years of the Orbán regime. - Judit Varga's husband since came out and started telling very troubling stories about how the Orbán Mafia has taken the country hostage. - Orbán's Party has Super Majority with about 2,5-3 million votes. Our electorate counts 8 million souls. During the years they have tailored the election laws in a way that less than HALF of the Hungarian electorate voting for them will constantly give them SUPER MAJORITY. With this they legalized corruption for themselves and now more than half of the country belongs to 4 or 5 families, one of them is the Orbán family, and frankly speaking we as the voters can not do anything about this. There is NO WAY to get rid of them without violence. Here are a few facts for you guys to take into consideration. Cheers.

@KisDre

3 ай бұрын

@@NisiCaloponis Nah, these are true.

@gerszki

3 ай бұрын

​​@@NisiCaloponisezt mond anyádnak aki homokert baszik a sivatagba. Varhato volt hogy elomasztok vity picsajából.

Right wing politicians. They always the same.

"Damn you hbomberguy" LMAOOOO

It was 150,000+ people and the clip you put in is a mile away from the center of the protest 🤦🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️

Does Orban still have the genuine support of the Hungarian people or is it like, say, Erdogan in Turkey where he uses media control, suppression of opposition forces etc to stay in power?

I really hope Hungarians will be able to sort out their affairs without foreign meddling. What I really like about Orban is that he puts his country's interests ahead of everything else.

Great work, thanks from Hungary. Really exciting to watch this all unfold, if nothing else, finally some fresh air in national politics.

It’s a small and overall unimportant detail, but the number of protestors at the protest on friday was over 150 thousand rather than 50 thousand.

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

Rather 30 thousands.

@albernjmr2261

3 ай бұрын

Nope, easily 150@@NisiCaloponis

@gerszki

3 ай бұрын

Rather over 100k 😃​@@NisiCaloponis

Over here in the US the average American doesn't know much about Hungary and how it has been under Viktor Orban so it is pretty alarming seeing Republican politicians just casually inviting him over. Orban being the last thing you'd want to emulate your government after but the conservatives are all in on that

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

Yep conservatives should listen to the current dement hiperinflated cryptobholsevist warmonger president and its panderboys like you. clap clap.

How hungarians allowed this to happened to their country is beyond belief. Hope they manage to get it back.

@Roli-kh3ff

3 ай бұрын

Orbán promised to everything to win the election but when he seized power all he did was undermine democracy and creating a far right oligarchy..

Thx

Right now the opposition are acting as if this crisis is their favour. But Orban rightly says that at least the people did step down. The Hungarian opposition has plenty of leaders who did not step down despite their various mis-steps and scandals.

Orban is untouchable. He will rule till the day he dies.

@Dezznuts2294

3 ай бұрын

so sad but there is still hope aigaints his dictatorship

@HyperScorpio8688

3 ай бұрын

As a Hungarian? No. There is no hope anymore@@Dezznuts2294

@cl8804

3 ай бұрын

poor people tend to live in clusters

@HyperScorpio8688

3 ай бұрын

How TF is that relevant here???@@cl8804

@pjhgerlach

3 ай бұрын

No one is untouchable as history has shown.

this is probably why they're approving Sweden's NATO bid

@csat1078

3 ай бұрын

no. Completely different topic. Hungary always said it will eventually sign the swedish accession.

@MyLittleMagneton

3 ай бұрын

@@csat1078 it's a different topic, but it's the same subject (politics). There's only so many stressors one can deal with at the same time.

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

Very probable it is not totally unrelated.

@CacGod

3 ай бұрын

They approved, cos they got the Grippen deal.

I wonder if it’s a coincidence that Orban now sounds more optimistic about Swedens NATO membership than ever before….someone’s doesn’t want his neighbors throwing gas on the fire

@beaudenoir

3 ай бұрын

No need to overthink it. Few guys messed up and resigned as they should. No linked to anything else.

not the hbomb reference 😂

Every politician who claims to be a champion of "Family Values" generally values nothing but themselves. This is universal.

@dharmagall9082

3 ай бұрын

The hipocrisy with Orbán's family policy led to the explosion of housing price

There was only one mass protest in Budapest organised by social media influencers - absolutely no "mass protests around the country" - we are not there yet (sadly)

The figure of 50,000 is very misleading, in fact it was spread because of miscommunication by the organisers, because that was the number announced at the demonstration, but according to subsequent footage and analysis, there must have been 150,000 people there. Otherwise a fair report.

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

Maybe there must have been 150k ppl but there wasnt, quite exact estimates speak about 30 k ppl. (maximum). 150 k is only influencer propaganda by one of the organisers.

@albernjmr2261

3 ай бұрын

@@NisiCaloponis "influencer propaganda" by influencers not having any advantages of such high numbers. The arrangement was told to be completely free from party politics, they have even asked every participiant not to take any party emblems etc.

Very well documented. However, there were 150K people on the Friday protest, not just 50K. 5:45

That's my kind of humor: being the first woman to be president and at the same time championing "traditional family values" where women don't usually work to bear children and take care of the family

@diebaronofg0nzo470

3 ай бұрын

She has 3 children and she always emphasized that it is possible to have a family and a career at the same time. By 'traditional family values' she means heterosexual married couple with more than one child.

Crazy how if this happened in the US, it would have most likely made her MORE electable.

@saberswordsmen1

3 ай бұрын

Not really sure what this is getting at...? US is apoplectic about even the mention of child predators even when it's nutty conspiracy nonsense, no? And I think I recall Roy Moore being run out due to allegations.

@Pekka.Pekka.1296

3 ай бұрын

Only if she was a MAGA-supporter.

@captainvanisher988

3 ай бұрын

@@Pekka.Pekka.1296 ?? Biden is the child sniffer and he is POTUS.

Oh, those good old days when no foreigner had any idea who the PM of Hungary was...Yes, I am Hungarian. :)

As a hungarian, this will not end orbáns career. He has overcome many things and his propaganda machine will sweep this under the rug somehow.

@gaborrajnai6213

3 ай бұрын

If the west will remain steadfast, he will be overthrown. Noone in Hungary wants to belong to Russia or China so just the leader can continue building his palaces.

@NisiCaloponis

3 ай бұрын

Protesting against child abuse by a flock of child abuser propagandists, will not work, thats you wanted to saym right?

Fidesz and other nationalists, "We are the only ones who can protect your children!" Also Fidesz ... Btw, pardoning someone who covered up child sexual abuse ahead of a papal visit is ... ehm ... ironic.

5:51 the Fidesz media stated 50 000, but it was a lot more people

Excellent!

You don't have to revere Orban to vote for him - just look at the pathetic opposition. They are absolutely hopeless and totally inadequate to do anything, excepting screaming abroad about Orban's dictatorship - which is quite nonsense, as this demonstration has clearly demonstrated.

@doom8082

3 ай бұрын

I see you thoroughly enjoy licking Orban's boots.

Liked the video so much

Hungary by this point is like drama-filled trashfire that the family REALLY wants out, but can't even get them out of the door.

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, but it's not that fun when social security is in its lowest and you know that there are pedophiles in the whole system who get cleared track records if they are loyal to the king.

Thank you for covering these tremendous 2 weeks of hungarian History! ❤

Thanks. As a Hungarian, I have no clue what the fuck is going on, and it's useful to to hear the analysis of outsiders.

Very good 👍 ❤

The law (made by Fidesz) says: the former president (even if he/she was in offie for only 1 day...) receives a salary for life EQUAL to the salary of the current president in office at anytime... also receives a suitable recidence (meaning: a huge villa in the most illustrious neighborhood in Budapest), a cabinet of 3 person, luxury car with a driver, a yearly budget for charity, free healthcare and more... If he or she dies, his//her spouse receives 60% of the salary for life...

@holofernesz

3 ай бұрын

And? Every former British colony does the same thing and it's likely that other countries with non-symbolic presidents have the same rule. What are you trying to say here? Please make your position clear as I can look up this fact at any time.

To stay in the loop? The Loop by definition is something unescapeable, so why would I want to be in it? In order to trap myself?

@soundscape26

3 ай бұрын

"Keep in the loop is a commonly used idiomatic expression that means “to keep someone informed or updated on recent developments regarding a specific subject or situation."

@FinUgShiet

3 ай бұрын

@@soundscape26 I know that irony's easily lost on the internet. But I appreciate your noble deed to offer help to a fellow english-speaker :)

@soundscape26

3 ай бұрын

@@FinUgShiet Which is double ironic because I'm not a native English speaker myself. 😄

@FinUgShiet

3 ай бұрын

@@soundscape26 Neither am I, but still I write better english than +90% of native speakers, I've noticed. I've also noticed the contrary when it comes to my native language, finnish. I have no idea about the grammar (unlike a foreigner who has been studying the language as an adult) but I still have a gut feeling on how it should sound.

It's a challenge I hope he can never overcome

TDLR has been awesome lately, honed craft

Hungarian here. Nice summary of the events, I only have one correction. The large demonstration was (at least on paper) not anti government / anti Fidesz, but pro children and anti pedophilia. And it was organized by media influencers.

Such an objective and well written summary of the situation and the scandal in Hungary. Thank you for your great work!

I never go Hungry to bed.

The thing is, even people opposing Orban don't want the parties currently in opposition to rule the country. So, even if Orban falls, thing will be a lot worse than this. - a Hungarian

@KisDre

3 ай бұрын

It can't be worse than that. -an other Hungarian

@mastermindd

3 ай бұрын

@@KisDre Yes it can, I don't trust the opposition parties

@KisDre

3 ай бұрын

@@mastermindd Than trust in the change itself, and the will of the people. I honestly tired of that orbán-gyurcsány debate, and yes, i don't want neither, but... we are at a point where we started to risking our fkin NATO membership? What are we doing even?

@tiborklein5349

3 ай бұрын

@@KisDre Can't be worse? Look at South Africa and Argentina.

@mastermindd

3 ай бұрын

@@KisDre Na jó, hagyjuk ezt már, úgysem fogja ezt olvasni egy külföldi sem, mert az algoritmus ezt a kommentet mutatja az utolsók között. Mi az, hogy a NATO tagságunkat IS? Orbán-Gyurcsány tengelytől függetlenül mondom, hogy nagyon rossz irány, ha a ez alapján kell kormányt választanunk! Vannak ezért annál hajszálnyit fontosabb szempontok is, szerintem.

It was more like 130k+ protesters on Friday

Don't threaten me with a good time.

Belongs at the Gremlins as a delievery boy.

@JUAN_OLIVIER

3 ай бұрын

By that logic the leaders of western Europe belongs at the White House as servants to Biden.

Love the nod to Hbomberguy in the graphic about plagiarism!

You forgot to mention one little thing .... he is Pro Putin, which most Hungarians aren't.

All I know about Orban is that he said he would keep the rubbish out.

Family affairs minister and then has to resign for pardoning someone who covered up child abuse? That connection does NOT look good.

At last a useful video from this locked-in-the-UK channel. 1956 was more turbulent...😢.

Someone still needs to explain me how cracking down on LGBTQ rights protects traditional families

@karankapoor2701

3 ай бұрын

Because they are these days are going way too far

@noir1923

3 ай бұрын

it stops gayness from spreading and saves families, so its for a good deed !

@deepfocusinside4685

3 ай бұрын

@@noir1923 are you serious? gayness will spread around if not forbidden? maybe that is the way people think, when they have no clue, what is the reason people find themselves in a particular sexual orientation. lol

@johnvanjohn825

3 ай бұрын

It doesnt, they just want LGBTQ rights to not exist.

@krisdaschwab912

3 ай бұрын

​@@noir1923Ha, you're funny

5:50 - this was not an anti government protest. the purpose of the protest was and still is to *make the politicians do their job*, and create a better living condition for orphans/better support them after they turn 18.

@saberswordsmen1

3 ай бұрын

The crowd literally started chanting "fuck fidesz". While it is true that the aim of the protest wasn't partisan, and the organizers did a good job of redirecting that energy back towards nonpartisan protest, clearly there was a pretty strong anti government sentiment among a very, very large segment of the crowd.

@gergoradeczki

3 ай бұрын

@@saberswordsmen1 and you can't say mocskos fidesz without being anti government, right? I think with Friday's protest the organizers found a sweet spot, where we don't want the ruling party gone, we just want them to do their fucking jobs and don't be lazy assholes. And I can get behind this idea.

@saberswordsmen1

3 ай бұрын

@@gergoradeczki no, I don't think you can, honestly, not when the party is as inextricably tied to the very shaping of the modern Hungarian government in a very literal way as Fidesz is. We agree that how the organizers handled it was good, but there was pretty clearly an anti Fidesz sentiment in the crowd, and Fidesz is the state in every respect. I'm not even talking about in a nefarious sense, by the way. Even in a perfect democracy, you can't have one party elected for nearly two decades then pretend the present state isn't a direct reflection of it.

At the protest, there were more then 150k ppl out, making history. The first protest organized only by influencers and content creators. And one of the largest protest in the history of Hungary.