In my opinion luffy vs naruto is a closer fight than ichigo vs Naruto 💀

@bongaloyiso6152

5 ай бұрын

Respectable but we kinda need facts not opinion😏

@bongaloyiso6152

5 ай бұрын

Respectable but we kinda need facts not opinion😏

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

In the naruto verse it depends on matchup. If luffy fought kisame, he'd get folded

@Cope690

5 ай бұрын

​@@LuciferArc1 i could see luffy speed blitzing him before he activates his jutsu

@masonmcfadden4886

5 ай бұрын

@@LuciferArc1 Luffy one shots kisame dude 😂

Ngl. Crafty went straight to fraud watch after calling Mayuri “one of the weakest captains” then immediately butchering Uryu’s name

@thehdtv7552

5 ай бұрын

Its true though, at that point he was pretty weak.

@ether2275

5 ай бұрын

@@thehdtv7552 He is weak compared to the other captains but more than makes up for it with how crafty he is. His intelligence and planning is his true power.

@thehdtv7552

5 ай бұрын

@@ether2275 no he is weak at that point. He does get much stronger post fight, mainly in terms of combat and reaction speed.

@ether2275

5 ай бұрын

@@thehdtv7552 Of course he does but he still isn't at the same level as the other captains. Not saying he's weak, he's just not a fighter as much as he's a strategist or scientist.

@Fw_Vergil

5 ай бұрын

@@thehdtv7552no he wasn’t he simply lost to uryu because he had no true information about Quincy’s and he was locked in the maggots nest when the first Quincy invasion happened this explains why he never lost a fight after uryu

Ichigo slams I'm sorry 🤷

@Copeaboutit

5 ай бұрын

I'm a bleach fan but with the new Boruto verse which has a God in 4th dimension, I don't think ichigo can survive.....(ofcourse Naruto has to upgrade to fight against such opponents)

@Levelingpro

5 ай бұрын

@@Copeaboutit4d? interesting because aizen said he is a higher dimensional being

@Copeaboutit

5 ай бұрын

@@Levelingpro same thing is written in the new Boruto chapters.....

@trinidie8156

5 ай бұрын

shut up

@cosmic.1448

5 ай бұрын

​@@Copeaboutitbruh I'm pretty sure bleach has been pass 4D since the karakura town arc

Ichigo easily wins. Naruto doesn't even beat Yhwach's royal guard or squad zero. One member of the royal guard can solo Narutoverse probably with exception of some Otsutsuki that we might see in the future. But for the ones we've seen currently, Lille Barro solos the Narutoverse. The only person who could probably beat him is Daemon.

@user-Hahaaa

5 ай бұрын

Daemon would have to touch him first which is impossible cause speed and intangibility 💀

@NEONlights-lb8um

5 ай бұрын

@@user-Hahaaa exactly

@faith4657

5 ай бұрын

bro lille is literally just light which most can handle. His intangibility is cool and all but anything which can compare will touch him also kind of disingenuous there

@bungusbongus

5 ай бұрын

​@@faith4657 he doesn't just have light he also has an ability that just instantaneous deletes anything between the muzzle of his gun and his target

@faith4657

5 ай бұрын

@@bungusbongus true but you can basically just dodge if you don't be in target of his barrel. just be faster than him pointing his gun at you.

I used to die on the hill that Naruto beats Ichigo extremely high difficulty. But I have recently changed my thought process on that.

@yuwannaknownodrip5079

5 ай бұрын

🎉

@user-uj1ve4zb5e

5 ай бұрын

you know the same way he high ball ichigo can do same to naruto and yes light novel naruto beats ichigo

@WakaDior

5 ай бұрын

​@@user-uj1ve4zb5ewho's gonna tell him 😂

@rayqwonjackson3474

5 ай бұрын

​@@user-uj1ve4zb5elight Novel Naruto weaker than anime Naruto

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

​@user-uj1ve4zb5e nah. Ichigo is universal at a fucking minimum. He can take the weight of the bleach verse in his zero division training. Hence his soul king candidacy. Naruto doesn't come close to ichigo

This is only a debate cause Nostalgia for Naruto no way you watch both series n think Naruto has any chance Ichigo wins this fight pretty easily especially true Shikai Ichigo

the fight ends as soon as ichigo says "GETSUGA TENSHO!"

That ichigo speed scale is the worst calc stack ive ever seem

@eddieboston6540

5 ай бұрын

you can do the same shit speed clac stack for naruto and he gets faster by millions of times. this is the reason clac stacking is shit. sage shouldn't have took that scale because he says multiple times he dislike clac stacking but oh his friend does it so it's ok. this was naruto scaled fairly vs ichigo wanked to high hell.

@alexclarke-wz9nw

Ай бұрын

​@@eddieboston6540that's not true.

I been saying Naruto is trash in comparison he probably can’t even see ichigo at his speed

@eddieboston6540

5 ай бұрын

@@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj no ichigo loses badly blame kubo for his shit writing

@zionhopkins1374

4 ай бұрын

​@@eddieboston6540how u gon say he loese badly n blame the author? Cause makes him look more op than he is cope harder

@holdupsomethingaintright7919

28 күн бұрын

Not really, both are almost at the same ballpark when it comes to speed only Ichigo is slightly faster.

I've been saying it. Ichigo's wins. Always said it, love both characters still. Few things I disagree with but good video overall.

@eddieboston6540

5 ай бұрын

no he doesn't sage says he doesn't like clac stacking then collab with someone who was clac stacking the fuck out of ichigo.

@kaimobley5324

5 ай бұрын

​@@eddieboston6540 when one anime doesn't have a definitive X-Amount Amp and the other does you have to allow the verse with it to be properly scaled or else it's disingenuous and can't be argued to bias

@blue_boy5896

27 күн бұрын

@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sjit’s just that even if he did calc stack Naruto he would still be slower than Ichigo

Your analytical skills are so smooth it sounds like your spitting bars🗣🔥🔥

Bro that first Ichigo section alone made it so that Naruto would lose.

I knew Ichigo would destroy Naruto but DAYUM this is just sad 😢

@user-uj1ve4zb5e

5 ай бұрын

he doesnt

@JawBreaker4756

5 ай бұрын

​@@user-uj1ve4zb5e He does unfortunately. I'm a Naruto fan😅 but I'm smart enough to admit that Ichigo wins this. Although I'm a little bit against thee idea that he'll win without some form of struggle.

@user-uj1ve4zb5e

5 ай бұрын

@@JawBreaker4756 "I'm smart enough to admit that Ichigo wins" being smart is irrelevant you obviously not quite knowledgeably about the naruto cosmics you just fallacly associating between being smart and know what you actually admitting . and just ""stating"" that you're a Naruto fan doesn't give your admission any real value of truth

@JawBreaker4756

5 ай бұрын

@@user-uj1ve4zb5e It didn't, and I wasn't aiming for that so chill. Maybe I could have simply said "I personally believe Ichigo wins"

@GavrielRosario

5 ай бұрын

​@@user-uj1ve4zb5e chill narutards

Bro kept adding on to ichigo speed calls more than he needed to

Bankai is only 10x? No; bankai is 100x base, and 10x shikai 😂😂😂

Ichigo one shots him but i still like both characters

This debate should’ve been over years ago, ichigo negs naruto and everyone in naruto verse and its not close at all, the weakest bleach characters neg naruto

That Ichigo scale was horrendous, especially the speed. Bro took 1 feat and then just stacked every multiplier onto it, when not every bankai gives an amp to your physical stats. Ichigo slams, but that was some awful scaling.

@Troypal_._

4 ай бұрын

why are u associating every bankai including ichgos bankai and then saying it doesnt always apply to physical stats lol? u need to prove that applies to his bankai as well

@thatonguy2407

4 ай бұрын

@Troypal_._ scale claimed Byakuya gets 10x faster by going bankai, he objectively doesn't, shikai Ichigo was relative to shikai Byakuya in speed, Bankai Byakuya wasn't blitzing Ichigo the way he would if he was 10x faster. He caught shikai Ichigo by trapping him via having way more petals. Not every bankai is a physical amp.

@bootlegspinjutsu9966

4 ай бұрын

​@@thatonguy2407It was an AP and Attack Speed amp tho. Ichigo noted the petals were moving faster and the petal count obviously increased too

@trapmatrix5942

2 ай бұрын

@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 the value of that doesn’t have to be flat though. The statement says the overall combat ability is 5-10x greater. So it leaves open interpretations like “Byakuya’s petals getting only twice as fast, while the sheer amount is also increased by millions of blades.” That could be an example of overall “combat ability” being 5-10x greater. (And the lower end 5x is probably more applicable with my example.) That’s just an interpretation though. He could have explained why Byakuya’s bankai would likely be 10x faster in speed is all.

I told people this years ago and they thought I was nuts. I knew what I was seeing from ichigo was just crazy

This dude calc staking like a mf

Whitebeard vs ESCANOR❤❤😂

@KomiSenpai_

5 ай бұрын

wb obliterates

@saradaharunoofthesharingan1028

5 ай бұрын

Escanor no diffs ​@@KomiSenpai_

@marqusmedina5983

4 ай бұрын

Escanor beats old beard with moderate difficulty but gets clapped by prime

Coulda stopped at 160 million times FTL but kept going

@kaimobley5324

5 ай бұрын

True but it needed to happen as there are idiots who will try to use that as definitive and scale Naruto above it

Awesome

Naahh bro is lowballing bleach this is crazy what is happening

@Calamitus-cx2bs

4 ай бұрын

In terms of speed

@danfoxdude

3 ай бұрын

@@Calamitus-cx2bs 300 million times the speed of light is not enough for these Bleach fans they want him boundless💀

@Calamitus-cx2bs

3 ай бұрын

@@danfoxdude Well I mean you can scale him to that very easily if you want to and its not even a stretch to inf speed like im not joking I dont usually but you can

Finally some accurate bleach scaling on KZread

Bruh this mf said times like 30 times 😂😂😂

Ichigo slams Naruto

@pullupmate3008

3 ай бұрын

Cap Ichigo is ass

@Narcissistic_pyschotic

2 ай бұрын

@@pullupmate3008ok and ? A character being mid = Loses lol 😂

@user-lz2xw4ft2x

Ай бұрын

@@Narcissistic_pyschotic naruto fans last resort

LET HIM COOK ⛹️🔥🔥💯

The bleach scaling was SO BAD lmao, incomprehensible speed numbers debunked by Candice being considered fast with slower than lightning attacks. The ap part was disastrous too, no characters scales above planetary since the "realms" are 3 planets in context, and yuha had trouble destroying 1 of them overtime

@roywempor8395

25 күн бұрын

the realms are universes, the living realm is based on our own so its an universe and if that's not enough, hueco mundo has a desert that's stated to be infinite and it even has a forest outside that infinite desert, and all 3 realms are equal in size.

Do prime hiruzen vs kaido

8 million times ftl and he couldn't even compete with gin's mach 1000 bankai 😂😂😂

W vid

Rare SB W

Why use french translations instead of english translation for the subspace and hyperspace argument?

@kaimobley5324

5 ай бұрын

People like to argue that with English Translations you can't trust it all the time (which is partially true). But showing how other languages also backs up the original language (bcus people like to argue about the Kanji being used as well) is extra insurance on This Is What It Is

@coffin_sinu6869

5 ай бұрын

@@kaimobley5324 after seeing this video I checked the English translation and there was subspace instead of hyperspace. He only showed french translations so how it's trustable and English translation is not. If he showed more than 1 translation to prove his argument then it would be reliable. What i saw In powerscaling that Fandom try everything to wank their fav characters like using mistranslations(especially naruto light novel), using translation of other language, twist the meaning of the statements and also using incomplete statements etc.

@kaimobley5324

5 ай бұрын

@@coffin_sinu6869 are you sure it said Subspace bcus I just checked and it has Kisuke saying Hyperspace out right. Him showing the Japanese kanji and meaning along with the French is showing more than one translation, both the Original Language and then a separate. The original language takes precedent obviously but we also have to remember that some words in Japanese don't exist in English and vice versa. Although I do agree there are people in the community who try to wank their characters if not the whole verse by using wrong translations or some trying to rewrite the story. I'm currently in a discussion with someone who is trying to say since Ichigo's Bankai prior to him unlocking his true powers wasn't a true Bankai he can't be given the 5x - 10x multiplier. He literally said at Most we can give Ichigo before the TYBW a 5x multiplier but it is more of a 2x - 3x one. I keep telling him how multiple characters including the sword itself, White Himself calls what Ichigo has a Bankai and Kubo hasn't ever said the multiplier for Ichigo's "Incomplete Bankai" (arguers words not mine) can't be given the Bankai Amp so we have to say what has already been stated and nothing else until new Info comes out from Kubo or the Material. But he keeps trying to argue against what the material said and what Kubo made for his own personal Head Canon

@Chillchildren999

4 ай бұрын

@@coffin_sinu6869He said there’s a Japanese version for it to

This is what people don’t get about bleach. Speed wise it’s absurd. It doesn’t matter if Madara can use a laser the speed of light or guy manages to distort space time. Bleach characters are able to literally fight at black hole speeds casually. Even dragon ball doesn’t throw that hard. Bleach is absurd.

Mrcrafty cant scale he said deku universal lol

@Chillchildren999

4 ай бұрын

He said it was a Joke

@musaw1550

4 ай бұрын

Xd

The Ichigo scale is dogshit 😢

Yo if we’re using multipliers then kaguya and Naruto and sasuke when fighting her were already 1000 times the speed of light but momoshiki is a multi solar to galaxy level being meaning his speed and stats should be multiplied by like 500 million to 2 billion just cause that’s how many planets there in a galaxy and it might be 2 billion solar systems

This is assuming they are actually universal

Bro I'm not even being biased when I say Ichigo wins debate if you want but you are not winning lol

Bro, can you or no you make draw video with = Asta New Devil Union + Zetten VS Luffy Gear 5 Yuno New Spirit Of Zepyhr + Notus + Never Neverland VS Zoro King Of Hell like this video, you understand with My Request Or My Talking, please bro, pleasee😭😭😭😫😫😫🙏🙏🙏

Naruto lost on soundtrack alone!

Woah woah woah when has Naruto ever showed Existence Erasure Resistance

@devilgod4552

5 ай бұрын

Trust seaking orb

@kaimobley5324

5 ай бұрын

@@devilgod4552 like I said when has Naruto actually shown this. Unless he's trying to talk about Naruto kicking it. If he's trying to say from Naruto kicking it that's vividly wrong. You can touch the Truth Seeking Orbs and even deflect an attack from them but that off rip doesn't by default means Soul Erasure Resistance. Goku and Frieza tanking Haki is without a doubt just like what Bleach does is also that but just simply kicking the Orb away isn't. Otherwise every One Piece Character strong enough to fight if not flat out beat or kill Brook has Soul Erasure Resistance and that's a Vivid Lie. Now if Naruto had a Limb chopped off by the orbs (Like Minato) and he reattached it and was fine (especially if they show the soul reconnecting) then Yes we can absolutely say that

@user-Hahaaa

5 ай бұрын

​@@kaimobley5324fr

@tmo_0

5 ай бұрын

Truth seeking orb is not existence erasure it negates jutsu, such as 'reanimation jutsu' which made them unable to regenerate. So no it doesnt erase it negates jutsus.@@devilgod4552

@Chillchildren999

4 ай бұрын

@@devilgod4552The Nine Tails couldn’t fight off the Shinigami though

I still do t get how people scale Naruto to kaguya just because kaguya can create and destroy her own dimensions, Naruto can’t create or destroy dimensions, I might be mistaken but iirc Naruto never actually beat kaguya he just sealed her or demonstrated power even close to universal, again I might be wrong I just don’t get it

@mufeezsyed2664

20 күн бұрын

You are right, unlike db and bleach where you need to have equal strength or spiritual to hurt the opponents, naruto doesn't follow this rule( like how momoshiki who naruto fans claim to be uni was knocked down by a tree level vanishing rasengun.

@olagokeemmanuel9625

20 күн бұрын

It's the same thing with bleach, we all know the hax yhwach had plus after absorbing the soul king, he wanted to destroy the 3 realms. In terms of AP and DC, he is far superior and ichigo could only kill him by using a silver arrow to stop of powers for a few seconds long enough for ichigo to blash him with everything he has for him to kill yhwach. Kaguya could create dimension and was literally immortal. Even hagoromo the sage of six path who also gave naruto and sasuke their power up and the seal couldn't kill her. He and his brother also had to seal her after fighting for months and her prison will later be know as the moon in the shinobi world. Ichigo doesn't have the hax to counter yhwach just as naruto can't create dimension. The point is neither MC can do half of what their respective villain can but still manage to defeat said villian

@furryfloofer8742

20 күн бұрын

@@olagokeemmanuel9625 Ichigo has the same stats, AP, and tier as Yhwach. The reason Ichigo needed Uryu and Aizen was to deal with Yhwach's almighty hax, that's it. Ichigo insta killed yhwach before Yhwach revived himself with the almighty, and fought evenly with Yhwach in the palace, before Yhwach destroyed his true bankai with the almighty, and if you AREN'T relative to someone in terms of stats+tier in bleach, you get hurt instead.

@olagokeemmanuel9625

20 күн бұрын

@@furryfloofer8742 if not for the arrow, there was nothing ichigo could have done. The fact that yhwach can use the Almighty to revive himself even after is death makes it worse for ichigo. Aizen for all his immortality had a hole in his chest as well as a missing arm and that was because yhwach went for the killing blow thinking it was ichigo. Aizen wasn't even able to wound yhwach with his hado 99.

@furryfloofer8742

20 күн бұрын

@@olagokeemmanuel9625 Read my argument, I'm not denying that Yhwach is better than Ichigo, but only because of his almighty hax, which had to be dealt with, that's it. Stats+tier+AP is the exact same between both of them, so you can't downgrade Ichigo's stats+tiering, and put it below Yhwach, Ichigo unironically scales to Yhwach. Ichigo WAS able to wound Yhwach with the getsuga tensho+gran rey cero combo in the palace fight, and Ichigo easily scales above Aizen due to his superior performance VS Yhwach.

I love Naruto but he's dying 😂

Finally, competent scaling.

@eddieboston6540

5 ай бұрын

there was non stop clac stacking for ichigo be for real

9:00 Most of the phrases that are referring to soul society are referring to seireitei. Yamamoto's fetus would be country level. One example is that it is mentioned by Toshiro that if Gerard fell into the Soul Society he would destroy it entirely, which doesn't make sense. A giant falling from the sky would be planetary level, or worse because bleachtards put the Soul Society quote as universal. A giant falling from the sky would be universal lvl :O

@Troypal_._

4 ай бұрын

💀💀

@roywempor8395

25 күн бұрын

you're right, fetus Yama is country level, and old man Yama is universal

this is just a Slaughter🙄🙄

KCM1 Naruto nor B are even close to 116x SoL 😂😂😂

Can't Ichigo manipulate fate with his bankai?

@mufeezsyed2664

20 күн бұрын

That's just a theory but then again soul king absorbed yuha with almighty was scared to face ichigo bankai.

@furryfloofer8742

20 күн бұрын

@@mufeezsyed2664 Feel like Yhwach said that if Ichigo fully brought out his potential, he'll have the almighty, but I guess we won't find out what Ichigo's true bankai does until cour 4 or some shit.

@mufeezsyed2664

19 күн бұрын

@@furryfloofer8742 yeah but I'm relieved because i know kubo gonna add tons of new scenes in cour 3 alone and cour 4 ending will be great

Could y’all actually discuss with eachother in the videos because I can’t tell if you all actually agree with eachother on all of this. There’s already some trash Bleach scaling as early as 4:30 How did he get START of arrancar arc Ichigo to x10 stronger than his Soul Society counterpart? He literally did no training from then until he learned hollowfication. Bro said he got a “mental resolve” and proves this by showing a panel of Ichigo UNDERPERFORMING against a weak ass hollow??? Not only is the evidence outrageous, but the supporting evidence is… he can hold bankai longer😅

@sbthesage2100

5 ай бұрын

I don’t agree with calc stacking I just had my friend on here bc I was having some trouble and then when he sent me his part it’s not as if I could tell him I didn’t like it or at least I didn’t wanna scrap the video probably should have tho

@trapmatrix5942

5 ай бұрын

@@sbthesage2100 oh okay that makes sense

@jayell2365

2 ай бұрын

The reason why he says that about ichigo is because ichigos mental state is directly related to his access and use of his powers. Whenever shinigami go through near death exp. The get a power boost just from surviving it and the greater the gap/the greater the boost. In ichigos case he went from using bankai the 1st and actively becoming weaker and unstable while fighting byakuya to by the end of the arc (when he's leaving to go home) to having his shikai state be extremely relative to his bankai state (so anywhere from 5-10 stronger) including ichigo himself in unaware of his mental state affecting his power level, he was on a high after saving rukia and not losing anyone. And for his "resolve" the picture is directly referring to that fight because ichigo goes bankai cuts yammys arm so fast yammy didn't register it to white messing up his confidence and not even being able to defend himself from yammy. And even ulquiorra states (with his power fluctuating at his lowest he's "no threat" to when it spikes he's even stronger than me) the spike being purely white the same "thing" that ended up killing ukquiorra later in the story. Hope this helps you understand.

@trapmatrix5942

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@jayell2365That’s not how shinigamis power works. Never has been the case. A lot of these multipliers are only exclusive to Ichigo because he’s directly stated to gain heavy experience through combat. Also Ichigo’s bankai crushing his bones earlier is as White explained it, him being a dumbass and not noticing. So when he’s able to fight with it casually, it’s because he’s noticing his spiritual pressure. That’s not indicative of a 5-10x power up. The video creator would never be able to explain why “not experiencing side effects” would be indicative of an amp. Also I understand the Ulquiorra stuff. But he was referring to White, an entity who’s stronger than them, not Ichigo. Everytime White interfered is when his spiritual pressure was over Ulquiorra’s. He wasn’t saying that Ichigo’s power was over his before White messed with him. And Ichigo cutting Yami’s arm isn’t because he’s cracked. It’s actually because Yami’s an idiot. I thought the same thing about Ichigo’s bankai too, but apparently it was because Yami thought he could fight Ichigo without that Espada defense mechanic. I forgot the name of it, but Ulquiorra scolds him and says he should have had it on. That’s how I see it. But this comment is old, and I no longer think this video is anywhere near valid. The amount of egregious calc stacking had kicked in. And not every bankai-like transformation is “stat” amplification. Look at Soifon and Byakuya. It made a lot of this pointless when I realized that.

@jayell2365

2 ай бұрын

@@trapmatrix5942 the portion of getting stronger when surviving a near death experience is not an exclusive shinigami trait but shinigami do experience it. It’s just heavily pronounced in Ichigo due to him never getting the proper time to train like he’s supposed to. Well isn’t that the point of the video, it’s all about ichigo/naruto regardless if they’re anomalies or not? Yes that’s correct but that is due to ichigo not being able to control his own SP properly, but his own power crushing his bones was affecting him,even byakuya stated it clearly that he was getting slower all the while ichigo was under the impression byakuya was getting faster which equates to his power getting nerfed due to that, im not trying to say side effects equate to lack of proper power stacking but it directly relates to ichigo is all. White is Ichigos power, ichigo himself didn’t understand this until the TYBW arc but to everyone else feels his SP just gets high and low because it is his power. It’s a mixture of both to be honest, remember aizen sent the 2 of them there to assess how strong ichigo currently was, knowing that ulquiorra is #4 and tammy is #10/#0 is a good measure to how strong aizen was expecting him to be. And no i didn’t think it was because of his bankai, it’s shown that despite his lack of skill and exp. Ichigo has several times the amount of SP vs nearly all the captains and this is further pointed out to unohana by ichigo after his fight with ulquiorra. with just a sleeve she knew he was at a captains lv and when told that his bankai cloak basically equates to how much SP he has left she knew he stood a chance vs aizen in terms of power( due to how shinigami fights go) But in regards to Yammy specifically ( its called their hierro i believe) even though it would’ve made it harder to cut through in that instance it wouldn’t have matter due to how strong ichigo was vs yammy then. Yes every bankai isn’t a x5-x10 boost to all physical abilities. But it is a x5-x10 boost to something but in ichigos case its all phyiscal stats and his speed is either amped dramatically or the egregious strength he has due to how his shikai functions is translated to speed. byakuya says something ike that with ichigo condensing his power into a smaller blade allowing him to transfer most of that power elsewhere (and in this case it’s his body)

Man, I gotta watch bleach lol

@CoralVein

5 ай бұрын

Bleach is my favorite of the big 3. But I will say the world building isn’t as good as it’s counter parts. The filler can be too much at times, although some filler arcs are good. Bleach’s themes also have a need that someone watching is really paying attention. As your average watcher may just see it as “orange hair kid gets ridiculously strong for no reason.” After watching I would look into some videos that further explain somethings.

@yomyjjaago7744

5 ай бұрын

You can just read cfyow@@CoralVein

@Chillchildren999

4 ай бұрын

Read the Manga up until you reach Tybw, don’t watch the 2004 Bleach anime

@CoralVein

4 ай бұрын

@@Chillchildren999 maybe my nostalgia talking but even with its faults I love the 2004 anime

@Chillchildren999

4 ай бұрын

@@CoralVeinThe soundtracks really good but it just has way to much filler even more than Naruto had and New anime watchers aren’t gonna know the difference between canon and none canon episodes since they literally have the Bounts show up in the Arancar arc, that’s one of the reasons why I think the manga is the best way to get into Bleach

Ichigo puts Naruto on a leash 😂

Its kinda funny how sb sage just gave a calc then said he got 10 stronger with sage mode in the war arc and stopped scaling. But crafty spent minutes calc stacking ichigo and going over every speed feat

@piusolawore456

5 ай бұрын

Wouldn't make a difference lol ichigo claps

@theonetrueedgelord3596

5 ай бұрын

@@piusolawore456 if you don't apply the same standards of evidence maybe

@sbthesage2100

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I mean that’s true but that’s just bc Naruto’s scaling doesn’t have any quantification after whereas Ichigo’s boost come from increases that are equal to if not greater than a bankai which is 5-10x

@theonetrueedgelord3596

5 ай бұрын

@@sbthesage2100 maybe but the issue with bankai multipliers is that different bankai's are implied to only amp one stat (ikaku and soiphone for instance) and ichigo's bankai is the only one specifically implied amps speed. And its arguable ichigo even has a bankai multiplier since he doesn't even have a bankai for most of the story. He only gets a true bankai in thousand year blood war

@theonetrueedgelord3596

5 ай бұрын

@@sbthesage2100 also naruto surpasses six paths in base in boruto and crafty just gave 2 x multipliers even when the multiplier isn't stated. And I've seen crafty argue sage modes a 1million times multiplier. I don’t really trust his arguments

It’s crazy how Bleach fans will take a random visual description of a Cero in a databook as gospel but ignore the fact that Ichigo was looked like he was gonna crap himself when Gin said his Bankai was mach 500 😭

@danfoxdude

3 ай бұрын

And they have him at 350M x ftl there? They draining his balls from

@rimpiangere2965

Ай бұрын

that would be an outlier+gin lied and ichigo has no idea what 500x hand speed is even. also who tells me that the clap of Gin's hand is the same as the human one?

@danfoxdude

Ай бұрын

@@rimpiangere2965 those excuses are nothing but coping. Even if Gin lied it would make no sense for him to put such a low number if they were anything close to that speed at the time. Gin would be risking a plan he spent his entire life on for literally no reason when he could just say 500x faster than light or something. They're clearly supposed to be around that speed and it's consistent if you don't expect fictional energy blasts made of fictional energy to function exactly like real life light even though real life light doesn't explode on contact just cause it's "uhhh it looks super bright".

@rimpiangere2965

Ай бұрын

@@danfoxdude you're also right. but we don't have a base

@kevin-hv1se

Ай бұрын

​@danfoxdude actually you are wrong, he is comparing it to how fast he can clap his hands, which is obviously alot faster than a normal human can clap his hand, dunno why you guys think him clapping his hands is only as fast as human clapping hands lol

ichigo way over scaled in this vid like way to much he easily claps naruto but still

The same logic you used to get Ichigo to multiversal and whatever times faster than light can be applied to Naruto. Watching this video almost makes me believe that you aren't aware of a lot of the Naruto scaling. You used the Bleach Movie for scaling, but didn't use Naruto Road to Ninja which is also arguable to be just as canon. And within that movie, Obito proves that the infinite Tsukuyomi madara used on trillions of life forms on earth is each it's own separate universe which he's able to teleport in and out of using Kamui. Giving Juubidara multiversal scaling using your own logic. Same can be said for speed. Especially with Part 1 Kakashi reacting to Itachi's light speed water bullet and KCM Naruto being able to amp tens of thousands of shinobi with the power of an even faster Kakashi, and him getting ridiculously faster than that. Same with the arguments surrouding Baryon Mode potentially giving Naruto billions of times of an amp etc. All of this is to say, Ichigo and Naruto can more or less be argued on the same level, and it boils down to abilities. Where Naruto relatively logically wins.

You can say that Ichigo beats Naruto, but VL ain't it bruh 💀

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

His true shikai alone is enough to beat naruto.

@Copeaboutit

5 ай бұрын

​@@LuciferArc1💀💀blud watched anime from tiktok

@bootlegspinjutsu9966

4 ай бұрын

​@@CopeaboutitHis True Shikai scales to any Squad 0 member in Bankai lol, Squad 0 wipes the verse

Dude mftl is 1000c not 100+ 2:07

@sbthesage2100

2 ай бұрын

It’s 100 check vsbw

@Akr_editz-um3go

2 ай бұрын

@@sbthesage2100 i dont know bro i generally use mftl in physics but yeah the anime ones are same too i even re confirmed it with other scalers using the same so yeah it is 1000c yeah since power scaling basicly copy pastes physics units it is 1000c i dont know what vsbw is (correct me if im wrong)

@issactbh

2 ай бұрын

vsbw is inaccurate ​@@sbthesage2100

ichigo gaps

Naruto is not universal 😂😂😂😂. Shibai is the only character in Naruto thats universal. Kaguya is AT ABSOLUTE PEAK only a solar system buster

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You did a reasonable scale for Naruto and Crafty got to run the same highball he pushes on a regular. Even if you really needed to someone in the Bleach community to cover Ichigo you picked one of the biggest calc stackers there is. There was no real point to the collaboration if you were both just going to each just scale one character with no real interaction or discussion between you two.

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

He only needed a single scaling for ichigo. His zero division training makes him take the weight of the entire bleach universe for the zero division to determine his soul king candidacy. He's universal at the fucking minimum in shikai.

@faith4657

5 ай бұрын

@@LuciferArc1 universal is funny when the WOTL is earth, not mars.

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

@@faith4657 it's literally a parallel to our world. Not just earth. The world of the living is still in a universe.

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

@faith4657 the dangai is also contained by an infinite space, waco Mundo is stated to be infinite in size, soul society mirrors the human world and there's a section of it I believe it was the soul palace which is stated to contain infinite shadows which implies infinite in size. So yeah...then you also have the dimensions in-between. The arrancar were literally able to make fucking pocket dimensions with ease as well as break out of them. Ywach has the almighty which let's him damn near alter reality to his will and the soul king holds up the entirety of the verse. To be a soul king candidate you have to be able to do the same. Hence why ichigo would have to be at the fucking minimum although can be argued multiversal

@faith4657

5 ай бұрын

@@LuciferArc1 And whenever they say WOTL guess were they point to earth dude, but mostly to the Japanese branch.

Rizz

But ichigo is paracusal

The bleach cosmology is definitely not multiversal+, the only worlds in there are 3 worlds and some smaller dimensions. It’s one universe that got divided into 3 with just some infinite space between them.

yeah the cero is not light speed

Wortl and ss are universes, hueco mundo is infinite, valeys of scream all infinite, muken infinite, hell a multiverse, and garganta holds all of those infinities and more together so its multy++ ezz

i disagree in several points but love your videos SB the goat🗣🔊🤍

naruto and ichigo both are universal you spend 3 minutes talking about naruto and rest was craft scaling ichigo naruto scales to universal really dont get how naruto can be scaled to planetary becuz the very least naruto is low universal due to momoshikis dimension if you dissagree np but at least you acknoleged that naruto can get to uni+ so np

@sbthesage2100

5 ай бұрын

Are u slow I literally said I don’t agree with uni Naruto and so what I’ve scaled Naruto a hundred times on this channel and craftys part is what he sent me get over it

@jschannel6319

5 ай бұрын

If you want Universal Naruto scaling, just watch his Naruto vs Luffy video.

@youssefibrahim5496

5 ай бұрын

@@sbthesage2100 np dissagreeing but at least you dont scale naruto to planetary

@user-uj1ve4zb5e

5 ай бұрын

he also said he doesnt know anything about ichigo @@youssefibrahim5496

@eddieboston6540

5 ай бұрын

@@sbthesage2100 you did zero work for naruto haku is light speed getting final valley naruto faster then killer bee. there are no infinite spaces in bleach and the three main realms where one universe that all exist on the same plane of reality but in different dimensions that over lap. you are the worst naruto scaler every not using feats and statements that for naruto get him well over ichigo. ichigo is multi-solar system bleach fans wank the hell out of that verse.

Found a channel that gives bleach it’s flowers let’s goooooooo

i mean if you gonna bring someone that highball ichigo to max potential at least do same to naruto

@sbthesage2100

5 ай бұрын

I did

@thehdtv7552

5 ай бұрын

@@sbthesage2100 yeah you did, bias fans expected you to basically equalise everything except for abilities. That's the problem with out of verse scaling because naruto vs Ichigo is a mismatch. Still there will always be people that even think Luffy is the strongest of the big 3, so don't pay much attention to them. Your scaling for everything for one piece and Naruto is the best out of any creator I watch.

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

Naruto doesn't even touch universal. Ichigo does in shikai at the minimum. His high ball is multiversal for shikai if you count a few of the realms being infinite in size...which some are stated to be

@user-uj1ve4zb5e

5 ай бұрын

@@LuciferArc1 what this bozo bluffing about naruto was tearing the fabric of space time of the main universe in novel . + debate me on universal bleach i can debunk every uni or inf size bleach verse

Candice's arrow is cited as having 5 gigajoules of tnt power, which would be block level. Do you really think Kubo wanted to put his characters at solar system level? That same arrow disintegrated Ichigo's clothing that was made from Shutara's fabric, the same one that shook the 3 worlds. I'm not saying that they are block level I'm just saying that this absurd level that you put on the bleach characters doesn't make any sense with the anime. Ichigo forcing the feats would be planetary or moon level, or even lower

@rayqwonjackson3474

3 ай бұрын

So you are saying Ichigo is weaker than a city level attack because his clothes got damaged from the blast?😂 His actual clothes didn't even have a scratch on them

@Xtragams

3 ай бұрын

@@rayqwonjackson3474 I'm not saying that Ichigo is city level, I'm just saying that the characters in Bleach aren't that strong.

What this is just character boredom bet y’all choose ichigo….. What can ichigo do to naruto 🤣🤣🤣🤣

i only heard Ichigo part like explaining why he wins. Change the title to Ichigo is completely one sided

Naruto bodies

Bro Naruto makes nukes that be disengrating especially when that boy gets serious it’s over ichigo done he’s puny swordsman bro

People are downplaying Naruto versus Momoshiki and kaguya dimension stated to be a parallel dimension in boruto episode 24 at 14.10 and "parallel dimension"="parallel universe" (Parallel universe in fiction A parallel universe, also known as an alternate universe, parallel world, PARALLEL DIMENSION, or alternate reality, is a hypothetical self-contained plane of existence, co-existing with one's own. The sum of all potential parallel universes that constitute reality is often called a "multiverse". 👈 From wikipedia) And kaguya can destroy and recreate her parallel dimension which means it is a low multi feat (from Momoshiki meta and statement about etsb is clear that kaguya created her parallel dimensions)... And still inexperienced 6 paths Naruto can overpower kaguya... Also after 15 years Naruto completely kicked Momoshiki ass who also created a parallel dimension stated in both anime and novels and their dimension stated to be hyperspace that alone proves they are space time continnum (it is not subspace because that kanji can mean both hyperspace and subspace but kaguya dimension is stated to be space time 14 times so only meaning is Hyperspace(>3d) which means space time continnum) So it is also consistent with Naruto cracking the space time of the real universe just by the raw power of his chakra (Boruto episode 34 at the end)...

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

She connected multiple dimensions through portals. She's not multiversal. She didn't literally create it. She just threaded dimensions together

@cjmatrix7366

5 ай бұрын

@@LuciferArc1 read the databook about her ETSB it literally stated that she could "destroy and recreate" (not the part creating dimension as she please that is mistranslation) also doesn't matter because she is literally destroying her Dimension stated and shown in manga

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

@cjmatrix7366 a dimension is not the same as a universe

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

@@cjmatrix7366 and bleach characters can casually make dimensions lol

@eddieboston6540

5 ай бұрын

@@LuciferArc1 yea kaguya did as well why you don't question it in bleach

They gotta give Ichigo these ridiculous stats cause Naruto clowns on him if they scale anywhere close bro’s got way better moves and combos

Yeah... OK. One sided but Ichigo doesn't even take speed properly over Naruto. The Bleach wank gets dumber and dumber. The mention of a setting in a film makes the film canon. "HellVerse is canon," but Kubo is just now about to introduce hell canonically? They can't both be canon. And the only canon viability Memories of Nobody has. Is establishing the cosmology. That's what Kubo said the damn movie offers. A depiction of the world one could consider canon. In 2007 or 2008 the cosmology was an image in databook 1 akin to layers of a planet. Yuha Bach never says shit about the dangai. And CFYOW says his Almighty is like a keystone. Almighty is a damn hax not an energy pool that can be scaled. Or cross referenced between Ichigo and fucking Yuha Bach. The canon literally destroys this argument. Unless you gone honestly say Ukitake has sub-Universal to sub-Multiversal energy. Seeing as he could give his singular soul to uphold all 3 realms. In canon, Ichibe says Ichigo and his friends cannot defeat Yuha Bach. And Yuha Bach breaks and catches Zangetsu in the palm of his damn hand. This means Ichigo does not scale to Yuha Bach. Which is consistent across the story the whole arc. Until the arrow comes into play. Like holyyyy. Ichigo can be wanked this much. But let me guess characters being stated to have created their own universes in Naruto doesn't give him the same adequate scaling? Sure.

@NEONlights-lb8um

5 ай бұрын

First off, it's stated multiple times that the soul king has endless/ infinite power and is omnipotent. In bleach, hax is proportionate to spiritual pressure/energy. But in Naruto, it's not the same. People with hax can defeat characters with huge energy pools. But in bleach, people with high energy pools easily negate hax. Eg. Aizen's Kyokasuigetsu is only that effective because of Aizen's huge energy pool. You'd know this if you actually read/ watched bleach. Literally no character in Naruto is stated to have their own universes, stop LYING. Not even in the light novels nor in the manga. 2. The term "infinity" is used far more often in bleach than in Naruto. To describe the realms. Not a single realm of an Otsutsuki is described as infinite. Besides, weaker characters in bleach can create realm of their own where they are essentially "god" people like Yukio can easily do that. Each espada has access to a Caja de Negaccion which is a separate dimension used for punishment. In the current anime which I'm sure you aren't watching, cuz the last two episodes confirm bleach characters have multiversal levels of power. "Ichigo doesn't scale to Yhwach 😂😂😂 but one shots Yhwach twice killing him both times with getsugatenshou. Yhwach stating verbatim that Ichigo's Bankai is a threat to him so he had to break it in the future. Yhwach broke zangetsu by breaking it using his Almighty in the future not by using his hands. If you actually read the manga, instead of looking at clips of manga pages, you'd know this. And you'd also know that his name is spelt Yhwach, not Yuha Bach.

@Excaliber682

5 ай бұрын

The moment you said Ukitake gave his singular soul to uphold all 3 realms you lost all credibility.

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

Ichigo takes the weight of his own verse in zero division training that made it clear he was a soul king candidate. He's universal at a fucking minimum and they were well above light speed in the arrancar arc

@eddieboston6540

5 ай бұрын

@@NEONlights-lb8um damn you a hypocrite

@devilgod4552

5 ай бұрын

Current me if I am wrong, Bleach verse is prity unstable on it's own, you didn't even need to be a universel to destroy a universe in bleach, just a small disbalance from both sides is enough

The ichigo glazing was insane

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

Bro. Ichigo literally carries the weight of the entire bleach universe in his zero division training. Hence his soul king candidacy. Naruto doesn't come close to universal while ichigo does in fucking shikai alone

@darrellvanderpuije591

5 ай бұрын

I have never seen any verse as overrated as the bleach verse in my life

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

@@darrellvanderpuije591 MHA easily

@verde6043

5 ай бұрын

@@darrellvanderpuije591Overrated how? There's literally data books and the manga itself giving out the descriptions of each and every power. How is that possibly overrated? Unless it's beyond your comprehension then, it sounds like YOU have a valid point.

@darrellvanderpuije591

5 ай бұрын

@@verde6043 💀💀you are so butthurt for what?? Your dumb self wouldn’t even ask what particularly is overrated but no let’s just jump to defend the integrity and criticisms of another towards the series. Goon

8:26 No, sokyouku is not planetary. It is only mentioned that if someone took the sword it would devastate the soul Society, as it has immense power. That's a phrase misunderstood by bleach fanboys. And generally the word soul society is generally referring to seireitei, and not the dimension itself. I don't doubt that someone with it would destroy seireitei, but at that moment when the sword hit Ichigo, the sword didn't have the power to destroy the entire seireitei. It's not like the sword would emanate country-level power just to kill Rukia. Ichigo was at most block to multi-block level in this arc

Na you are wrong Naruto wins

@OtchimU-pt7zh

Ай бұрын

Imao Ichigo neggs

But Luffy beats both

@Logical_Jay

5 ай бұрын

wanna debate this

@trouble001

5 ай бұрын

@@Logical_Jay sure

@Logical_Jay

5 ай бұрын

@@trouble001 then drop your discord

@LuciferArc1

5 ай бұрын

Luffy is too dumb to max the power of his toon force...so no. He'd get one shot by ichigo before going gear 5. I'm sorry but it's fax. Hell, luffy loses to fucking kisame too or any other water based character.

@Copeaboutit

5 ай бұрын

Luffy who? He hardly island level 😭😭 couldn't even touch both of these legends, so stfu and cope

People who claim *"Ichigo solo the Naruto Verse"* No he ain't beating someone like Kaguya or Hagoromo the strongest beings

@furryfloofer8742

24 күн бұрын

Yhwach scales so much higher than Kaguya that it's absurd, and Ichigo is equal in stats, and tiering to Yhwach, he dogwalks both. Ichigo's unironically 5D+, low multi-low comp. NO ONE in Naruto, or even Boruto outside MAYBE Shibai scales to that level at all.

naruto dogs ichigo

@NEONlights-lb8um

5 ай бұрын

With zero evidence to back up your claim

@sebastianjack2341

Ай бұрын

How

had to stop watching once he said the raikage moved faster than light. lightning is not the same as the speed of light.

cap. naruto wins 0 diff

@sebastianjack2341

Ай бұрын

How

@OtchimU-pt7zh

Ай бұрын

​@@sebastianjack2341with balls😂😂😂 Ichigo neggs

W vid