Soon as I saw the gray steel case in the chamber I knew what happened.

@richardolsen6570

4 жыл бұрын

phil lamonica , I thought the same thing

@PT5BASSMAN98

3 жыл бұрын

Same here, had the exact same issue with my Ishapore 2A1 on several occasions. Luckily the only issue I’ve had the extractor spring came out of the extractor

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

@Andrew-jm4tp

Жыл бұрын

I had steel case Russian .308 stick in my gun so bad that I had to remove it with a hammer. Never again.

@anthonylee6322

Жыл бұрын

Steel Russian ammo

As a Garand owner, that breaks my heart.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

@curtislarson1487

Жыл бұрын

Mine had the m84 .modern loads are much higher then the 150 grain rounds. But the steel round was like looking at a dudes butt

@jeffadams9807

Жыл бұрын

Mine To...

At least Cabellas was legit about the whole thing. My faith in humanity is restored.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

I've seen rifles that have come apart, and done serious damage to the shooter. This video is actually a testimony to the strength of Mr. Garand's design.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

@henryofskalitz2228

Жыл бұрын

None the less it didn't blow up it cracked the stock and made the case stuck

Great customer service, glad you didn't get hurt when it blew.

@theKGB65

8 жыл бұрын

+hecklarandkoch It's been almost two years and all the feeling has come back where I had numbness but I still experience some really bad tingling (buzzing feeling) that I feel as I type this, but is especially noticeable every morning when I first wake up. Spent over $2000 on a neurologist but he says this type of trauma will only heal with time.

@LuvBorderCollies

7 жыл бұрын

Traumatized nerves tend to be slow to heal. Got some experience with that.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Never use steel cased .308 or 30.06 cartridges in U.S. semi-autos. They were not designed for it. Brass only.

@Embosan

8 жыл бұрын

+HHH100 Absolutely correct, PLUS the Russian ammo is notorious for erratic quality control, resulting in either under or way overpressure loads. Every case shown in this vid shows signs of overpressure. Why risk a good rifle (and maybe your life) to save a few bucks buying crap like this?

@HHH100

8 жыл бұрын

+Embosan I agree. I only use the Russian steel for AK's and SKS's..... period.

@trumpenhammerofkek4821

8 жыл бұрын

+HHH100 I use steel in my .380 and my 7.62x39 AR. It runs fine.

@tallen4520

8 жыл бұрын

+HHH100 Steel cased .308/30-06 cartridges;, or did you mean "bullets"? I've never seen a steel cased cartridge for either.

@HHH100

8 жыл бұрын

+T Allen I do mean the cases. Russian imported cartridges in .308 or 30.06 are steel (TulAmmo, Brown Bear, etc.). The steel does not act like the brass when fired, hence could cause a multitude of problems or damage. I would not use them - period. If you want to risk damage to your Garands, M-14's, Carbines (.30 Carbine), etc. go ahead. Steel is designed for AK's and SKS's only in my book or bolt actions, single shot, etc.

Sounds like Cabelas did you a solid. Nice to hear. Glad you were not seriously injured. Stick with the 30-06. Very fun gun to shoot. The sound of WW2.

@hasamac10

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with a gun properly rebarreled to 762 x 51. I used one for many years. The only reason I didn't use steel was I had enough brass cased ammo to last long enough.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

What causes a man to buy an expensive rifle and the put garbage ammo in it. I will never understand it.

@EpicXXProductions

8 жыл бұрын

It's like putting standard gas in a Porsche.

@chrisbomboy3206

8 жыл бұрын

Yes sir, I just don't get it. That Russian ammo is dirty crap and I like my guns too much to use it.

@josephvanas6352

8 жыл бұрын

Tulammo is garbage but wolf is actually pretty good, I run wolf through my guns and no problems. Sure it causes more barrel wear but for the money you save on ammo you can replace the barrel and still have money for more ammo. There are few reason to actually buy brass cased ammo for standard plinking unless you are into reloading. Steel cased is more prone to sticking in the chamber or having issues with feeding because its coefficient of friction is greater than that of brass. If it were ammo for self defense or hunting, something that I would want to rely on to go 100% of the time then I would go with a good more expensive ammo. The only reason people dislike most of the cheap russian ammo is the cold war and something something those damn commies cant produce shit, and not actually knowing much about the ex com bloc produced ammo. Rifle is fine Ammo is fine if you cannot fix rifle in chechnya with a rock and hose clamps then rifle is worthless.

@akshooter762

8 жыл бұрын

tula and wolf is the same thing.....

@chrisbomboy3206

7 жыл бұрын

I shoot a lot and I would rather spend a few dollars more and shoot decent quality brass cased ammo. For cheap ammo I usually shoot Freedom munitions or my own reloads. Steel cased ammo sticks because of it not sealing as well as brass cased plus the lacquer coating can build up in the chamber. Barrel wear from mild steel bullets is not a factor. Norma has used mild steel jackets in some of their rifle ammo for years. By the way good barrels are not cheap. Buck 298 ammo in gun that costs over a grand will never make sense to me.

I'm glad you are OK it worked out. Kudos to Cabellas for taking responsibility and stepping up!

@tristanmyers897

5 жыл бұрын

I want to know if he was using the original gas port because it sounds like that may have been part of the problem

Finally a store that upholds the honest thing to do. I have done business with Cabela's for years and have never been disappointed. Thank god you weren't harmed, it could have went the other way so easily. As for steel case ammo I have always had trouble with it sticking in the chamber, and I have tried them all believe me. Ammo is so expensive now that you have to try every avenue to be able to get out there and get some range time.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Man this just makes me want to cry!

Most anticipated follow up video! Glad to hear about cabbalas customer service! One rarely hears of the good. Excited to see what you find next!

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Man you were lucky you were not injured! Glad to see Cabelas stepped up for you!

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

I had the same thing happen. And Im going to say something that will disappoint those who told you the reason for the explosion. What actually happened is called an open breech detonation. I went through everything you have, and can tell you for certain it was the rifle breech that wasnt completely closed and locked in. I know it sounds like something you would have seen, but you wouldnt have. I will gladly send you pictures of my M1A and the cartridge. Its incredibly easy to blame the ammo because it is so rare to have an out of breech detonation. But when it does happen, you are looking at what occurs!

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

@peghead

Жыл бұрын

Possibly an 'out-of-battery slam-fire', I agree. I've hand-loaded for my M1 (cal. .30) since I acquired it in 1994 (had it rebarreled before I fired it due to excessive cleaning rod muzzle-wear) following Jerry Kuhnhausen's recommendation in his shop manual " The U.S 30 Caliber, Gas Operated Service Rifles, Vol. I&II", to use a primer pocket uniformer to ensure the primer pocket is squared and new primers can be seated below flush (.006)" to minimize "slam fires". I would not only use the primer pocket uniformer on new brass but, especially fired brass because brass would swage into the pocket with firing, which was evident in the brass shavings produced with every case, every time.

Glad you are ok and being taken care of by Cabelas. I have that ammo for 30/06, but now will chunk all it!

Im just glad you weren't seriously injured. It is good to hear Cabellas handled the issue propperly & TY for getting the word out about the ammo

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Have you checked the headspace on this rifle? Based on what I see with the steel cases, it looks like a headspace issue. Just my 2 cents. :/

@theKGB65

10 жыл бұрын

That is possible but I asked the gunsmith and he said said it was tip-top. The brass casings that were fired in this rifle looked perfectly fine. Nice to hear from my favorite source for military rifle reloading expertise and blowing up stuff! I spend a lot of time over at your channel.

@theKGB65

10 жыл бұрын

I checked the brass casings that had been fired in that Tanker Garand and they dropped all the way into the Wilson case-length gauge with a satisfying "plop", so I think the headspace should be okay.

@theKGB65

9 жыл бұрын

***** One of my first thoughts after this happened was - "Thank god I didn't load up a mag of this stuff for my SCAR!"

@rangerstl07

9 жыл бұрын

That flattened primer has nothing to do with headspace. Excessive pressure from poor quality control of single-base Russian propellants. Look at those pierced primers. There is a reason that ammo is inexpensive. That was not headspace.

@ninja54380

9 жыл бұрын

***** I dont remember where he claims to be an expert Gunsmith. I dont see any videos on your channel, maybe you could post some info on the subject?

A real standup show of customer service on Cabelas part. Sorry lost the rifle, still glad you weren't hurt. LOL at the Hickok45 reference. Cheers

Sorry About your Garand! Glad you are OK!! Always enjoy your videos!! Keep them up.

I got a Springfield M1 made in the 80s that was rechambered to 308 by someone a few years ago. I've exclusively shot ONLY steel case Wolf and Tula the whole time I've owned it and have had no problems. The one thing I did do before shooting it was buy an aftermarket gas plug so I could regulate the gasses and make sure the pressure was just enough to run the action reliably. Something I'd recommend everyone buy who owns an M1 especially one that has been re-chambered to something other than M2 ball.

@theKGB65

2 жыл бұрын

That was a good idea. Thank you for mentioning that here.

Glad you didn't get seriously hurt its so sad to see such a beautiful firearm destroyed by steel case I would only use steel in a SKS the rest is brass all day buy it, shoot it,save the casing's,clean,trim,reload it and repeat.

I told my wife I wanted a Garand. She said "But you don't even know how to play".

@silverdollarswede151

10 жыл бұрын

She said I COULD get the sub-compact model, you know... the Baby Garand.

@cavekritter1

5 жыл бұрын

Make sure its a yamaha.. then you can take it fer a spin in the mountains

@agwbcfjc2

5 жыл бұрын

I hope you gave her a really big kiss. She's a keeper!

Velly Intlesting! I am glad you weren't hurt. Als nice to see Cabella's reaction.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

Glad you are ok. Thank you for sharing this with the community.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Too bad. Sorry this happened to you and your treasured Garand! I pretty much stay away from budget priced ammo and have never selected any steel case stuff. I know millions of people fire steel case in AKs and SKs, but I never was comfortable with it. I've always worried that the steel stuff would wear the chamber, extractor, and other contact surfaces. I never really gave too much thought to there being QC issues with budget ammo that might result in over pressure scenarios. I think I'll continue to stay clear of the budget stuff. This is good info to know - thanks!

The M1 Garand is a gas operated rifle. The gas system on a Garand has a very specific pressure curve. You should only shoot ammunition that is SPECIFICALLY manufactured for the M1 Garand. You can shoot other ammo IF you install a gas regulator plug to safely vent off the excess gas pressure. There are a couple different versions of this part on the market. I stay away from steel cased ammunition. But that is just me.

Holy Cow. So glad you did not get hurt considering the few inches your face was away from that bullet. Great video and thx for sharing this incident.

Good that you didn't get injured! Too bad with that beautiful rifle.

WOW MAN! Glad you're ok.

@AngelSilverFourtySeven

9 жыл бұрын

Wow!! That's insane bro!, I'm glad you didn't get hurt, great customer from Cabela's , outstanding !! Good luck on finding the M1

Pressure issues on an M1 Garand do not automatically occur as the result of heavy powder loads. It can just as easily occur if the projectile is not properly crimped properly. When the round cycles, and If the projectile slides forward from the casing, it will ram forward until it is stopped by seating into the lands and grooves. All bullets require at least a small "Running start" before they strike the lands and grooves. If the projectile is already contacting the lands and grooves when it is fired, the difference in chamber pressure is very significant, and can be enough to blow a rifle. It is just my opinion, but I believe that this was the issue that blew your rifle. I base this on the fact that if the loads were just "Hot" then the pressure would have been present throughout the bullet travel down the barrel. And if the pressure was high throughout the barrel, the operating rod would have been bent, and or damaged to a noticeable degree. This does not appear, at least in the video, to have been the case. The manner the rifle appeared more consistent with a pressure spike, rather than a heavy charge. A spike would have resulted in extremely high pressure the instant the primer lit the charge, with pressure decreasing as the bullet traveled down the barrel. Without operating rod damage, this would be what I would expect. A loose crimp, or the bullet not being seated to the proper depth, or even some brands of bullets with round noses may bring the projectile dangerously close to the rifling.

@danr5105

9 жыл бұрын

mag30th As i understand what you are saying. You feel the crimp was too light and the inertia from the round cycling caused in effect a cartridge that was in effect too long? Since in this accident we had many samples of flattened primers couldn't one take a unfired sample cartridge out of what is remaining from that lot and check the crimp? I feel more likely the cartridge overall length was too long from the beginning and the crimp was tight, or one can cycle a cartridge and check what effect cycling had on the cartridge (check the overall length and see if there are marks on the bullet indicating it was touching the rifling of the barrel. An inspection of remaining cartridges from that lot (including amount of propellant, crimp type and cartridge overall length, brass length) would be of value. Second explanation is simply poor quality brass. I have seen very old military 30.06 brass separate where the brass is necked down (due to corrosion). I was actually able to break a cartridge in half by hand (the brass broke at the neck down point). It would be interesting to pull a bullet , cut the brass and get a brass thickness dimension close to where this separation occurred. At least the shooter owned up to not inspecting spent brass. You have to examine that brass as it tells the story as to what is happening during firing.

@mag30th

9 жыл бұрын

Dan R yes, but making it worse is that this perticular manufacturer is using steel casings with match ammo, there also isn't any crimp whatsoever on the one the samples I looked at. I tested them in a hammer-type bullet extractor and there were several that can out of the case with little effort at all.

@mag30th

9 жыл бұрын

Dan R You know, I had tested that ammo and as simple as is sounds I never bothered to try cycling it through a garand as you mentioned and see if they slid forward upon the bolt closing. Good idea, (Great idea!) I wished I had thought of that myself! I'll see if I have any left any give it a try. I'd hate to see this happen again to someone else.

@mag30th

9 жыл бұрын

+mag30th Regarding the bullet sliding forward into the barrel lands prior to the gun firing and how it can affect the chamber pressure. img.photobucket.com/albums/v663/bwestfall/RELOADING/seatingdepthvpressure.jpg

@hasamac10

7 жыл бұрын

Sorry but target and bench rest shooters generally seat their bullets right up to the rifling. I have loaded ammo with out crimping. I have never had a problem. Good to crimp revolver if strong recoiling and tubular feed rifles.

Glad you didn't get hurt, kudos to Cabelas for their great customer service, broke my heart when you gave up the rifle, but to each his own!

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

I am just glad you still have your eyes and hands! Stay safe my friend

Glad you're ok. Bear in mind and be thankful for the utter strength of the Garand receiver. That could have gone a LOT worse to be honest. Hope you enjoy picking out a new 30-06 Garand (my personal preference)

@parkerwise703

Жыл бұрын

Would sure be my preference too!

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

This is why you don't load captured ammo into your rifle! :P

When I got my DCM Garand years ago, I had already decided to reload for it, and one advantage of that was the amount of information available on the importance of adhering strictly to load data tailored to this rifle. The most critical is the burning rate of the powder. The US military loaded IMR-4895 in the M2 ammo, although there are other powders with a similar burn rate that are fine to use. I had great results with Hodgdon’s Varget. I will post no specific reloading data here; there are plenty of online resources for this info.

@donbalduf572

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. A lot folks in 2023 aren’t familiar with limits on ammo for the M1. Seems to have been the case here.

Thanks for the information, glad to hear that Cabela's treated you well, not common to hear that in these days of big box stores.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Seeing that rifle looking like that made me cry

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hi, how are you doing today?

No Doubt the pressures were way to high !!! All them primers were showing very bad signs of over pressure and I have used Herter's ammo and found it to be much hotter then Tula and Wolf ammo and went with wolf as long as I lubed the steel cases there was no problems in AR platform ejection issue's !!! Glad you were not injured to bad and them Garand receivers can handle it for a fact !!! I hope you find another one that you like :)))

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Wow, Cabela's handled that very well. They're a classy, professional organization. Thanks for the sober reminder to be extra cautious when I'm reloading!

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

This problem is the very reason I reload all my major caliber ammo! Many complained about the 7.62x54R ammo in their Mosin Nagant rifles and having sticky bolt problems. It was never the lacquered cases that so many shooters claimed...it's that the Euro and Russian ammo makers produce it for use in cold to mild climates. Any higher change in ambient temperature makes the pressures go up. I had this problem years ago in my Nagants with Czech silvertip ammo...flattened or pierced primers and sticky bolt extraction. I went home pulled 20 cartridges apart...measured the powder load (50 grains) and reduced it 2 grains at a time. It wasn't until I got to 44 grains that the loads became safe to shoot in hot weather (90-100+ degrees F). No more flattened, pierced primers or extraction issues! Thanks for the video! I would have kept the Tanker since it wasn't harmed...a great tribute to the genius of John Garand for such a robust battle rifle!!!! Folks, be wary and very picky of the ammo you put in your Garands...they are only designed to work properly within a certain pressure range with just a few choices in powder! (A good idea is to install an adjustable gas valve (gas cylinder lock screw) if you insist upon shooting commercial ammo)

why would you ever fire steel cased ammo out of such a beautiful weapon?

@LucasIsHereYT

3 жыл бұрын

"If it can't handle steel, it doesn't deserve brass." -Brandon Herrera.

Wow! Am I glad I saw this video on Hickok45's channel. I have a .308 chambered Garand and a .30-06. AND, a few months ago I bought some Herter's from Cabelas. I am going to check because I know I bought some .30-06 and some .30 Carbine ammo in that order, but I can't remember if I bought any .308. I reload virtually all of my .308 so the chances are slim. But, thanks to your bad luck and your courage as a man to tell people what happened, I have a chance to check it out before I shoot it and chance a similar catastrophe! A lot of people wouldn't have the 'nads to share this kind of thing and would just leave others for fate to deal with as he chose.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

Sorry for your loss brother. At least you are ok and got your money back.

Glad all worked out for you. I have a M1 Garand from CMP with a refurbished stock and bought it with that stock on purpose. One it looked fantastic and was more interested in a shooter than a collector. Have never shot steel so I'm glad your video has brought to light issues with steel case ammo

@theKGB65

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment, and for recognizing the actual reason I made this video. Some people tap in their comments here just to regurgitate the obvious without a thought in their heads as to why I would have posted this video in the first place.

A see a lot of flattened and backed-out primers here.

Honestly, I think I would have cried just a little when something that beautiful gets destroyed like that.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

@TheJonesChannel11

Жыл бұрын

@@Franceliakarlee Not drunk enough. Heo about you?

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJonesChannel11 ohh really, I’m doing good. Thanks for asking..

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJonesChannel11 hope all is well with you?

@TheJonesChannel11

Жыл бұрын

@@Franceliakarlee Beer makes me giggly and it entertains my friends so yeah, all is well. How about you?

I recommend getting a 30-06 from the CMP. Glad you are ok. Great video and may keep many people safer because of it.

I'm glad you were not seriously hurt. It could have been much worse. It's nice to hear Cabella's took care of things as well.

I have a dream of someday owning an M1 Garand. Now I'm getting the impression that finding the correct ammo might be a big concern unless you load your own.

@votered3539

2 жыл бұрын

No, 150 grain brass case ammo. Perfect. Anything cheap not so much

Never shot steel cased ammo through my garand. Never will.

@MCPObr44 The gunsmith that extracted the shell had to pour molten Cerrosafe into the casing and beat it out with a long steel rod and a BFH.

@yung1cee246

9 жыл бұрын

theKGB65 isn't the garand related to the m39 emr like the m39 s an evolved version???

@memez_dreamz6870

8 жыл бұрын

+Rexplays 20th Think of it as the grandfather the M39s father is a M14 and the M14s is the M1 Garand.

@Wrangler458

8 жыл бұрын

+Ghost Airlift What?

@tallen4520

8 жыл бұрын

+theKGB65 Then you may have a rough or cracked barrel chamber. A rough chambered barrel will seize the casing, after firing.

@cumulo25

8 жыл бұрын

What's a BFH? "Big Fucking Hammer?"

Wow glad you are ok.

Same thing happened to my friend, but he got the top piece of his thumb blown off in the process. He was shooting his grandfather's WW2 garand.

@theKGB65

9 жыл бұрын

tkach21 What a tragedy; sorry to hear that.

@BOFH2

9 жыл бұрын

Was he able to replace/fix it? The fixing is just the stock but I am sorry.

I can't believe that you fed that crap to a Garand! I have to be honest with you. You can't put high end hunting rounds through a Garand if the powder isn't correct or you can cause over-pressure and at the least wreck an op rod; but man, you almost committed suicide. I don't mean to lecture but knowledge is wisdom. If you're buying cheap ammo stay away from corrosive primers as well. You may want to get your ammo from CMP if you can't tell the difference. This is like a friend of mine in high school who bought a brand new Norton Commando in '71 took it out at night and came back to a room full of his friends with a singed face. When I asked what the hell happened he admitted that he ran out of gas and since it was dark he lit a match to look into the tank and check. He actually admitted that and laughed. This is the best I have heard since. I own Grands and I've built them from parts and to look at this video is like a kick in the gut. It breaks your heart.

@theKGB65

3 жыл бұрын

The only reason that I ran two boxes of Cabella's house-brand of Herter's low quality surplus ammunition was because when I bought the rifle it was non-functional and the floor salesman tried blaming the problem on my ammunition. They took the rifle back, had it repaired, and during the subsequent proof firing I wanted to make sure I had some of their own off-the-shelf ammo along for argument sake in case the rifle still did not function. I shoot handloads exclusively and have been doing so successfully since 1987. And yes, if I'd inspected the blown primers on the steel cases in the grass I'd have noticed the problem in time to save the rifle. The only cases I inspected were those of my handloads which functioned perfectly for about 70 rounds of initial test firing and zeroing. I was just shooting off the two boxes of Cabella's ammo to get rid of it at the very end of my shooting session. The incident occurred with just a few rounds left in the second box. If this disaster hadn't happened I would still be enjoying this fine rifle. Instead, I returned the damaged piece for a full refund and now use a standard .30-06 Garand with IMR-4895 handloads.

@deancook867

2 жыл бұрын

yet the old timer garand enthusiasts i know have thousands of 180 grain winchester, sako, and whatever other hunting ammo down their garand barrels without any issues. go figure. thousands of rounds of steel cased norinco, no issues. weird how different one's real life can be from an internet comment

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hi, how are you doing today?

I have the same ammo. I shot some through my Ruger Scout rifle. My friend took one look at the flattened primer and told me to not fire another round. I am stuck with 10 boxes of this stuff.I am going to contact Cabellas and see if they will buy back the ammo. This video has been very helpful. Hopefully they will.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

Thanks for your video & follow up regarding Cabela's service. A lot of time we forget to give enough credit to our retail outlets. Sorry you lost a great looking M1 but as you stated you'll find another. Thanks for the added info on the ammo, take care

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

The only reason I am here is because of the toughness of the M1 Garand . My dad was targeted by a sniper at Anzio and his round hit the magazine instead of my dads throat. It damaged his hand but saved his life.

@daisylais4587

6 жыл бұрын

Randy Musick the M1 Garand doesn't have a magazine.

@joew8013

6 жыл бұрын

Daisy Lais he might mean the internal magazine?

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

One question, why spend all the money on an m1 then load that cheap stuff in it?

@zendokai1527

5 жыл бұрын

1 Answer: Dumbass

@x.y.8581

5 жыл бұрын

No, because you can shoot more

@tristanmyers897

5 жыл бұрын

@@x.y.8581 you can shoot more until you're rifle blows up

@lathanr8625

5 жыл бұрын

@@x.y.8581 or you could shoot quality ammo and have your rifle last longer

For everyone commenting about the steel casing, I doubt that it was blew it up. It was because it was MODERN steel cased ammo. Garands were designed for low pressure rounds. You shoot enough modern brass cased Ammo through a Garand and you will have the same outcome. Thought this was common knowledge with Garands.

wow, glad your ok, hate to see beautiful firearms go through hell like that. glad to hear cabela's doing good by you

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Damn bro, those are some flat ass primers!

You should have stopped shooting this ammo after the first flattened primer was noted. I am always amazed that people will shoot cheap and shifty ammo in an expensive firearmL

@theKGB65

8 жыл бұрын

+Steven Bland Again, it was two boxes of test ammo of their own brand to prove whether or not a non-function issue was resolved by Cabela's gunsmith. I doubt that most people stop to check for pressure signs on ejected casings when it's not their own handloaded ammunition, especially when the rifle is running smoothly like this one was. Note: The rifle itself was completely undamaged. Op-rod perfect condition, per gunsmith.

@imwatchin7770

5 жыл бұрын

As a hand loader myself, I check any round fired thru any of my weapons, period. Takes what, 1-2 seconds to see a flattened primer. But then I don't run steel cased ammo thru my Garand and never will. Nor do I run factory hunting ammo through it.

I am sorry to hear that aye, good thing they took care of the issue.

That was one of your best Hickok45 impressions!

I'm really losing faith in the ammo makers. My wife had a Remington 22 LR round blow up in the S&W M&P 22. It was an obvious overpressure and scared her pretty bad. It didn't hurt the gun but the case blew out. I disassembled the the gun and couldn't find any obvious damage but had a gunsmith check it out. He said there wasn't any damage to the gun and I have shot it several time since, but I discarded all my Remington 22 ammo for safety sake and won't buy any more Remington 22s.

@NWA744

6 жыл бұрын

How the heck does a .22 blow up?

When you cheap out on ammo this is what happens. Never shoot steal ammo unless it's through a comblock firearm.

@guntherapy5539

4 жыл бұрын

I shoot steel cased out of my ar15 about 1000 rounds litaraley nothing has happened

@gregdaweson4657

3 жыл бұрын

@@guntherapy5539 give it time.

@Schnipah

3 жыл бұрын

I put aluminum through my keltec sub-2000, it was fine lol.

@rustyswift1893

3 жыл бұрын

Wish I had seen this video before I blew up my M77 zastava with Tulammo

@MyItchyBahllz

3 жыл бұрын

@@rustyswift1893 Yeah... Zastava rifles are the only rifle I've had blow up. Thankfully it was out of the left side and didn't hit my arm.

Ouch. That's such a beautiful rifle, it's hard to see that happen. I'm glad you're safe though.

I'm VERY glad I had seen this before I ever got a Garand; only shoot 30-06 ammo that says "Made for M1 Garand" on it.

looking at all those primers...Didn't it make you wonder on the previous rounds why your action would have been cycling hard and the rifle probably recoiling hard......

@HalfLifeAMD

7 жыл бұрын

oppps...just heard in the video about you saying you should had paid a bit more attention. ..

@theKGB65

7 жыл бұрын

Yea, I fastidiously watch for pressure signs like these when firing my handloaded ammunition, but in this case I only wanted to function test Cabela's used rifle with a couple boxes of Cabela's in-house brand of ammunition. I was just firing away and letting the empties lay on the ground.

just a note. NEVER use Russian steel through american rifles. I'm sure you know but for others who may not. it will destroy your american guns because we use BRASS not Steel casings. AK, SKS, Mosin, Nagant, SVT, or Dragonov is okay for steel.

@fawakamaha

8 жыл бұрын

+edward steel case is fine. I have been using it for years. Only malfunction was a case stuck in the chamber and that didn't happen until several hundred rounds without cleaning the chamber (mini 14). My roommate tested his AR to see how long it would go shooting steel without cleaning or lubing. Still made it over 400. My AR went long enough that I decided to just call it good and clean it. Still no failures in any of my pistols (380, 9mm, 40 s&w)

@edwardshields

8 жыл бұрын

+Mancub2489 mini 14 might be designed to handle steel but AR is not. Your headspace will slowly change due to the steel cases scraping away at the roof of your chamber. You may not notice it for 2-3 even 5 years depending on how much you fire but eventually that rifle designed for brass will start making pressure marks on the necks of your extracted casings. If this continues then eventually the case will just burst at the neck exploding your hand which is what happened to this dude in the video. I tried to explain but I feel that you'll have to eventually find out the hard way. Brass isn't more expensive so why not just use brass?

@fawakamaha

8 жыл бұрын

edward shields sorry but if you can find me some source for that information then I would take your advice with more consideration. Using google produced results that were almost all forum posts and still supported my interpretation. At this point I don't doubt the concept of steel ammo causing extra wear and tear on the gun, I agree in fact. However I am confident that the increased wear and tear is negligible. I am confident that by the time my chamber is dangerously over sized from friction that the barrel will also be shot out. That would take tens of thousands of rounds. I also feel confident that what this man experienced was an isolated incident and is not the norm. As for the cost of ammunition, steel has been far and away the cheapest ammo (where I live at least) right up until the last year or so. I have one question about guns designed to handle steel. What is done differently that qualifies a gun for steel ammo?

@edwardshields

8 жыл бұрын

Mancub2489 www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/ This link is just one of many tests done to show that you should not use steel in american guns. the barrels flex when fired which requires a less hard casing to be inside when that flexing happens. if you have a harder case then the metal of your barrel then you will see (as shown by cut aways from the source above) the throat will erode about 30-40 times faster then if you were using brass... thats drastic. i have expericance in this matter other then research on the internet also. I am a U.S. Marine Marksmanship coach that knows is m-16 in and out and also a Reloader of various types of ammunition.

@fawakamaha

8 жыл бұрын

edward shields I'm sorry bud but your credibility has fallen even more. I read the article and found multiple points that your comment contradicts. First the article has no mention of barrel flex in it and actually specifically says that "The steel cases themselves don’t have any effect on the condition of the bore. The difference lies with the projectile - the soft copper jacket of the Federal ammunition simply doesn’t cause the same amount of wear as the bimetal (copper and steel) jacket of the Russian ammunition". If that was your attempt to respond to my question about what qualifies a gun for steel case my reply would be that ak type rifles have significantly more barrel flex during firing. Next they estimated the bores being shot out on the steel rifles between 4 and 6 thousand rounds while estimating the bore of the brass rifle to be serviceable for another 3 after the test (13000). That means the steel, based on those estimates erodes 3 to 4 times faster, not 30 to 40. (I will acknowledge this may be simple mistake in math) Third the article states that the "rate of fire definitely contributed to rapid barrel wear" including rates of fire that got the barrels "hot enough that a chambered round would cook off in ten to fifteen seconds." If the rifles were shot at rates of fire more consistent with what most casual shooters use then the life of the barrels would have significantly higher round counts. If we put all that information together the article still supports my previous statement. Steel cased ammo does increase wear and tear on the rifle but that increase but not enough for the average shooter to worry. What I will concede to you however is this. Our original argument was with regards to chamber wear and marks on the casing in the study did show that " a number of cases with distended and/or split necks were observed." This shows that you were right about the steel case potentially causing erosion of the chamber (not bore) which could lead to dangerous head spacing issues. However those were not observed until high round counts and no head case separations happened during the test which I would argue as more evidence that the wear is negligible for persons not burning up their barrels with insane firing rates/duration. Last point, your military background is something I would have to take with a grain of salt because my personal experience with military persons (well claimed at least) is that many of them barely know anything about their guns. One man claimed his military background for his credibility in assembling AK rifles, however he demonstrated his idiocy when he gave me a rifle he assembled and I found that the gas block had not been put far enough back on the rifle for the gas tube to reach. There was a visible gap between the gas tube and the gas block. Perhaps you are telling the truth but my personal experience with others claiming military background leaves me skeptical at best.

Luck that you got like this. Man that thing could have really blew up with many taking parts of with it. Great service from the shop. Something we can only dream of over here.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Glad there were no injuries. I'm always concerned with my kids shooting and try to make sure I pay attention to the ammo and the firearms. This is a good reminder of how quickly things can happen.

Considering its a .308 garand atleast it wasnt a old example, right?

@marcjansson1039

7 жыл бұрын

Cindy Bronson That was kinda my question. That it wasnt an old example that blew apart ripping a nice old gun apart. I havent heard of 308 garands before tbh, so its all new to me. When where they produced? And are they still making em today for the civilian market or?

lucky you didnt lose an eye

Just glad your OK

Glad things turned out ok in the end for you. Nice touch with the radio spot. : )

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

Such a beatiful riflle ,but using steel case ammo ?Leave it for what's left of Eatern Block Weapons brass is more like it.

theres a reason I don't buy cheap steel cased ammo for my guns. because of horror stories like this.

@christophermccarthy6192

9 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with steel cased ammo, so long as you have weapons designed for it, ie: Mosins, SKSs, AKs, Makarovs, Tokarevs, CZs, Zastavas, etc. That ammo is meant for those weapons and looser tolerances to cope with any ammo failures. If you have a SIG, Glock, Beretta, S&W, any 1911 from any maker, Ruger, a Garand, M1A, FAL, G3, or AR, stick with brass cased. All of those guns are designed for and intended for brass, the pressures brass can take, and the tolerances of the dimensions of brass. If you want to use steel cased, get an East Bloc weapon. The aforementioned Mosins, SKSs, AKs, Makarovs, Tokarevs, CZ, Zastavas, etc.

@redneckmini14

9 жыл бұрын

even if I get any of those guns ill still probably stick with brass just cuz I will be reloading for all my other guns anyway.

@Snadzies

6 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with steel case ammo in ARs, glocks, SIGs or any modern firearm. Many, many, channels that shoot tens of thousands of rounds of steel cased tula / wolf through their various firearms with nothing worse than a bad primer.

@tristanmyers897

5 жыл бұрын

@@christophermccarthy6192 really? I had a cheap Delton ar15 and it ate everything I put through it without any failures including military surplus m855 and m193, over 500 cartridges of of .223 wolf, and various types of brass cased ammo that I bought on sale

I am so sorry. That is a beautiful weapon. I'm glad you weren't badly hurt.

What a coincidence, 8 years ago when you posted this I was having extraction issues with steel case in a tanker garand. No problems with brass though. Got rid of it and bought a socom and never looked back

When the barrel is shortened the gas pressure will spike sooner and cause pressure to rise, unless the gas system has been modified to release some of that pressure. A good example is the Russian AK47/74 when they developed the AKU74 ( very short barrel ) the automatic rate climbed from 750 rpm to 900 rpm because the shorter barrel was spiking the gas before the round left the barrel. replacement gas plugs are availiable to bleed some of the pressure off, I'm sure your op rod really slammed back on the receiver hard.....I was curious why the 1911 is at full hammer cock with a magazine in and the safety isn't on ?

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

You lucked out, that could have been ugly .

Never had a single issue with TulAmmo. Glad you are ok.

Thank God your ok. Hope you got another Garand man

you should have got the ported gas plug if you are going to use any 30-06 other than M2 BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@gravelydon7072

9 жыл бұрын

Tommy Sands Suggest you head over to www.garandgear.com/m1-garand-ammunition You will find that some commercial ammo is just fine without a ported gas plug. Remington Express Corelokt 150 gr as an example. And it wasn't .30-06 to start with, it was .308/7.62x51.

@300whiteout9

5 жыл бұрын

It's chambered in .308 but here here

Fuck Tula ammo lol.

@milehighballistics9872

8 жыл бұрын

Right! even the pistol cartridges are garbage. Never will i buy that shit again hah.

Wow, glad you were not hurt too seriously.

Thanks for sharing the info. A month or two ago, I was shooting with a guy from my school's faculty. He had a new sig and was shooting herter's brass cased 9mm.This stuff has a cannelure about half way up the case, and says "Herters" on the headstamp. He had several malfunctions of failure to fully go into battery. After about #5, I was able to stop him and save it. It would not chamber into my Taurus PT99 either. I measured it at home and it was wide at the case mouth. Nothing dangerous, but grossly inconsistent round to round. My pt99 will chamber very fat loaded cartridges with bullets .002" over .356" so this stuff would jam up most anything.

Sorry this happened to you. I guess all is well that ends well. I like to stay away from cheap ammo.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello, how are you doing today?

Nice stock. What a shame.

Wow, that is crazy! Sorry about the rifle, but glad Cabela's took care of you and worked with you on this.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

Glad you're okay, Sir.

Dam near broke my heart, my dream rifle with a gorgeous walnut stock, that's what happens when a lovely specimen of American arms history meets Russian "engineering", a bit like feeding a thoroughbred racehorse with potatoes...I live in the UK. not allowed weapons,or anything sharp..

Maybe the gun was committing suicide after being chopped up.

@chilopandachabeta4373

4 жыл бұрын

It wanted REVENGE ! ! !

Testament to the strength of the design that you weren't injured, and that you had shooting glasses on.

That's a testament to the rugged build of that gun that you weren't hurt more severely.

A final note, the chamber pressures of Herters ammunition tested against other brands (In 308) are actually the second lowest of the brands tested, this further supports my belief it was a pressure spike. Also, here is a photo of the type ammo you were using. The steel casings show no sign of a crimp, which suggests the projectiles lack the cannelure generally seen on all military ammunition. And being their "Select" grade, it is most likely a match type projectile lacking any cannelure anyway. This combined with the steel casing, is a good recipe to have the projectile slide free when slammed into the barrel. Here is a photo of the ammunition. www.slickguns.com/product/herters-308-150-grain-fmj

@theKGB65

9 жыл бұрын

Interesting, thanks for looking that up!

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

Never use steel cased ammo. I could tell why it blew up from the screen shot. And last I knew, cabelas doesn't have real gun smiths. Unless its a good ak-47, I wouldn't use steel ammo unless I knew I was going to die anyway. If you need a gun worked on (unless its choke tube removal or something of the like) find a real gunsmith. Not a DVD gunsmith, but someone with experience.

@theKGB65

9 жыл бұрын

Buck Getz Our local Cabela's contracted gunsmith is very highly respected; has his own separate place of business.

@olesleepy6633

9 жыл бұрын

Never had any problems with steel cased ammo, however I've never used this Cabela's ammo. Being a retired military and with over 20 years in the ordnance field I would like to point out a clued to the problem ( which is pressure) with this ammo, some of the primers are back out of the pocket and some what fattened, I would not trust this brand ammo.

@olesleepy6633

9 жыл бұрын

Ole Sleepy It also looks like there are pierced primers. pressure baby, keep away from this ammo.

You know you make a great point in this video. As shooters we've become to complacent about factory ammo. We assume because we bought name brand ammo from the store that its 100% good to go out of the box. For the sake of our lives ans body parts and the people around us, we should take the few seconds to check the OAL on our rounds from box to box and our brass for signs of over pressure. Thanks for the great video.

@Franceliakarlee

Жыл бұрын

Hello how are you doing today?

Sorry to hear about your Garand. I'm glad you didn't suffer a serious injury from the over pressure. On a separate note, I am never buying Russian ammo again and I'm glad that Cabela's resolved the problem.