Hello Carter Cutlery viewers and patrons! Murray here. Thank you for following along with our new videos. I can appreciate that some of you have concerns or reservations over my recent switch from King stones to the Nano Hone system. Fair enough! However, if you can patiently wait until next week when we will produce a video that should address most of your concerns and you will at least understand why I am so impressed by the Nano Hone system, and besides, I am still using my old King stones! That is one of the many wonderful things about the Nano Hone system is that if all you purchased was a backing plate and the stage, that would constitute a HUGE improvement over the King stones alone. Anyway, thanks for your faithful patronage and stay tuned....you know that Carter Cutlery will always look after the best interests of our loyal customers and followers!

@n_00_7

7 ай бұрын

I would like to know your general opinion on what is the difference between shapton glass stone and nano hone stone besides design?

i watched your earlier videos using the water stones, i bought a 1000 and 6000 grit set of stones. They worked fine for me and were affordable, i I will continue to use them . I wish you well with the nano hone but for my needs they are too expensive.

Those are nice. I learned how to sharpen using the king stones and your videos. I will continue to do it that way. There is no need to spend 1k dollars on a sharpening system when 50 dollars in king stones will do the trick. It's great to see you back on KZread though!

Never thought I would see the day...

@rockets4kids

4 жыл бұрын

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@glytch5

4 жыл бұрын

@@rockets4kids whats this? a virus?

@HUSS_BOSS

3 жыл бұрын

@@glytch5 no its a dumb song from 80s

1k+ for the set? Lapping plates are $149-$499 each? That’s a big NOPE from me!

@CECS1

4 жыл бұрын

Shame...cause those plates are the best money can buy.

@Wolf_K

4 жыл бұрын

autiger621 check Atoma #140 and #400 diamond plates for lapping. Cheaper, high quality, and made in Japan. I buy one with a stainless steel base and one replacement grit and stick it on the other side of the base to make a double sided plate. Saves a little money and makes it convenient.

@elievans4453

4 жыл бұрын

All you really need is the backing plates and the stone stage which is like 25 bucks per plate and 120 for the stage. Yes its expensive, and may not be necessary for you but its not as crazy as it seems at face value.

@mauwuang

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wolf_K I haved atoma, They're good for lapping, super fast.

@jhonnybravosc

2 жыл бұрын

A piece of glass and some silicon carbide powder 120 grit is all anyone ever would need for lapping. Wet the glass, sprinkle SiC, mark stone with pencil hatch and swirl circles. Done in a minute or two.

Good for you. Incredible stones.

You should put a link to your site in the description, so people can click over there... I've watched you for years, looking forward to the new videos... Hope all is well, take it easy...

Whatever happened to his king stones and newspaper strop that created hair whittling sharp edges?

@shameer343

Жыл бұрын

Capitalism.....me? Ixm sticking to king 1000 6000 stone.

@davidvaughn7752

11 ай бұрын

He's diversifying his product line. Money always has a way of corrupting people.

You taught me to not flatten my stones.

@elievans4453

4 жыл бұрын

Murray occasionally flattens his stones, and has for a while. if you watch more of his sharpening videos he says he has started occasionally flattening his stones when they get really bad.

I have two cheap whetstones I bought for sharpening my axes and hatchets. Total cost: $35 USD, and they do a great job! I think I'll just stick to King, Norton or Naniwa whetstones for my knives though, thanks so much. But if you do a LOT of sharpening, the Nano Hone system might be worth it. As for me, this would be overkill for the handful of knives I own.

@jcims

4 жыл бұрын

I'm getting grossed out by reading all of the crybabies just whining about cost and lost respect with this video. I think you have the most balanced complaint, saying it's not for you as a home gamer but maybe if you have a production knifemaking or sharpening business this might be the thing. FWIW, the whole point of this video is showing how you can use pretty much any whetstone (aside from some basic size constraints) with this system. It's $110 for the base and $25 for each backing plate. You only need the lapper if you have to flatten one side of the stone for the mount. Yes it's still an investment but if you're swapping stones a lot it might be worth it.

@jhonnybravosc

2 жыл бұрын

The plates are only $25? A naniwa traditional or a king deluxe is $25.

I don't know. Seems kind of gimmicky to me. I've used some of the same Japanese stones for 20+ years. I feel pride that I made wood bases ("stages") for them, too.

I’m needing more practice Just bought my 1st set of diamond stones and I realized how completely I was fooling myself in thinking I had skills I’ll be watching and taking notes

@codysykes5568

3 жыл бұрын

It's just about practice, man. It's a hard skill to learn because it can be frustrating, but keep at it! If I can do it, I know you can. :)

I am impressed that you remember Vascowear!

@lindboknifeandtool

3 жыл бұрын

Wish it was still around. I got to handle a “funny folder” in vascowear years back and only recently realized what I was holding.

It will never be the same from easy to insane but I’m still a huge fan

I absolutely idolize Murray for his sharpening philosophy. But this is not it. Murray used king stones if I remember correctly, he didn't really flatten his stones cause he uses the entire surface, and he would scoff at a $1000 sharpening kit. I am legitimately bummed out about this. But can't blame him for the money opportunity.

@jcims

4 жыл бұрын

I don't understand comments like these. Do you run a knife business or sell mail-order sharpening services? Maybe the guy just changed his mind. Maybe the way he did it before just doesn't scale when you're running a business in knives. Maybe he has customers that have asked for a better system. Maybe he genuinely likes this product line and is willing to put his name behind it because of that.

@jamesgentry6864

4 жыл бұрын

@@jcims if you ever watched a Murray Carter sharpening video do you think he would spend over $1000 on that set? It's likely just a business venture and I said I don't blame him for that. But good luck selling em

@elievans4453

4 жыл бұрын

The philosophy hasn't changed at all. Murray has just found something that works well. He would still say that you can sharpen with anything you have, but he would also say he would rather sharpen on these than a piece of concrete. He does flatten his stones occasionally and he has for a while, even says it in one of his videos. While everything for a complete set is around 1k, most people will pick and choose what they want, likely only spending a couple hundred bucks for the stone stage and some backing plates.

@jamesgentry6864

4 жыл бұрын

@M Ski I'm carrying a pm2 in 10v dumbass. I have thousands of dollars in my knives. That still don't mean you abandon years worth of philosophy for a few bucks. What do you sharpen with pinwheel?

@jamesgentry6864

4 жыл бұрын

@M Ski 🤣🤣 you don't have a clue what were even talking about do you. Let men talk son

Really nice diamond stones - but one must be a really big sharpening enthusiast to spend that much on a few sharpening grits....I have about 30 stones and I would rather keep them than spend the equivalent or more on the nano-hone system. But - I am sure they are very nice and effective.

I'll be honest I've looked into the nano phone I watched the video with you and I forget the guys name going back to the first videos I watched can I do more on the nano stones than I can do with a king 1000 and 6000 grit stone I do have more but would love to know

@Wolf_K

Жыл бұрын

Nano Phone? Is that related to Moviefone? 😂

what is a surf stone?

You never showed the system?? Can you run it all down again ?? I’ve never heard of that outfit, I’m new to knives!!! Thanks

how many knives can i sharpen on a stone with 1000 grit approximately how many knives ????

I Understand why this is smart for protecting the stone, but i cringed when you said “i just dryed it with a heatgun” that is actually the opposite to protecting the stone, May i suggest lettting it dry slowly

@jcims

4 жыл бұрын

He suggested leaving it out for a few days to dry. He made it pretty obvious that he forgot to take the stone out and used the heat gun he could shoot the video.

@CarterCutlery

4 жыл бұрын

The stone I used in this video was made by baking it in a high temperature oven, so hitting it for a few minutes with a heat gun would not cause any damage...

I think everyone here agrees this is *way* too expensive for what you actually get. Don't get me wrong, you get quality stuff, but that doesn't mean anything. A sheet of steel, is still just that. The lapping plate, OK. It's an industrial diamond coated plate (seems similar to a mining drilling head) which is expensive in the bill of materials, but who _actually_ needs that? A piece of glass can be used to remove high spots too. That's free in most places. The plates themselves aren't special either, yet they cost 25 dollars. It's not a machined piece of high spec steel, a mild steel sheet with some paint would do. Conclusion: spends less or nothing on accessoires, get a better stone. That you actually use. I'm not hating on Carter for this, there's always a market for things like this, but it's certainly not meant for the home-gamer.

Aesthetically, this system looks like a winner. Even the lapping plates are pretty.

Im sure those lapping plates wear out as fast as any other diamonds are not forever and def not on lapping plates

which knife is on your neck

@zube410

3 жыл бұрын

Almost certainly the perfect model necker.

Wish I had that kind of money, but then again i could save up for it like i do for knives but i already have a kme. And yeah Murray changed over and yeah their exspensive but you have to follow the market and super steels are taking over, that's what sells for the most part now days. I bet next you might even see murray switching up steels and forging some of the super steels out their that can be forged.

bit too pricy for the common man

It's like someone who spends 30 years advocating healthy natural foods and suddenly starts to market vitamin pills, after all it's more practical to take a pill than make a nice salad or eat a fruit!

Live & learn right?

So a guy who could get his knives sharp enough to shave on $30 stones is now hocking a "system" that sells for 20 or 30 times that much? And so it goes.

Menos es más. ¿O no? 🤔

Harrelson Stanley once peddled Shapton stones in the US. Murray Carter advocated using King stones earlier. Murray particularly used to stress technique over tool, a concept that is common amongst Japanese artisans. Both men got their start peddling Japanese techniques and tools to Americans. Now, they are suddenly peddling "Better" diamond stones? If they manage to sell these to the Japanese and convince the old school bladesmiths, sharpeners and kitchen specialists there that the Nanohone is better, then they have a real product. I live in Japan and do not see a single Nanohone product for sale here. No knife professional nor enthusiast uses Nanohone. Natural stones are considered top notch, and synthetic Japanese stones are used by pretty much everyone. Diamond stones exist, such as the very good Atoma series, and these perform as well as any precision diamond stone at a fraction of the price of Nanohone. In the US, DMT makes diamond stones every bit as good as Atoma or Nanohone at prices everyone can afford. In the end, it is enthusiasm and pure diligence that will lead to sharpness and satisfaction. I see none of that coming from Murray Carter, Harrelson Stanley nor Nanohone these days, but I see plenty of snake-oil sales masquerading as enthusiasm and efforts tainted by profit motives too great that they fall into the greed level. I will not pay for Nanohone products at the current price level. Used to buy things from Murray Carter but I will have to consider other vendors from now.

I'm seeing a lot of crying comments on here about cost. I'm a fourth generation German knife, tool, and axe sharpener and I own not just a vast collection of knives but a vast collection of whetstone's. You think $1k is expensive for an entire set? No one said u had to buy every stone at once. I just opened my Naniwa drawer and my entire set of Choseras not counting any other naniwa stones in there like Aramusha, kurotu, green brick, Fuji, ect. was up over $1k. Will I buy a nano home stone ever? Maybe, maybe eventually a few. What I will buy now is that stage and some basis because that a great idea for stones I have that are extremely thin from grinding away over years. Remember people Mr. Carter isn't sitting beside u with a gun to your head forcing you to get on sharpening supplies and buy stones, he probably doesn't care what u do. He's just giving a professional recommendation into a good system he likes. That's it.

Zır zır zır sadece çene icraat yapta görelim.😂

The complete set is $2037.

@LightBrand

3 жыл бұрын

😂🔫

Ridiculously expensive and over engineered system money must be good though

dang! expensive, i will stick with Japan stones

1k for knife sharpening? Is it that much sharper than using a 30 dollar whetstone? I mean... Maybe if the knives were sharp enough to split atoms... Or if I was sharpening and selling knives. Seems like overkill for basic home use.

That is a no for me. 1000 and 6000 does the job. Loosing his Japanese tradition. it's all about the money.

This feels like if it's not just a big sponsor it's because it works. Here me out, if you are a big time sharpener and you want to find the OBJECTIVELY BEST system and you can wipe your butt with thousands of dollars then maybe this system is worth a try. I am just not convinced that this system is better than the traditional approach or precision machining approach, or other approaches.

@Wolf_K

Жыл бұрын

Yep. The best system is the one you build up yourself over years via experience and new requirements. I have literally dozens of high end synthetic Japanese stones and Diamond plates. Naniwa Chosera line,Naniwa various others; Shapton M24 line, Shapton Ha No Kuromaku line, Shapton DGLP (from the Glass line); Arashiyama; Kitayama; Asano Nagura and various finger stones for polishing; complete Atoma sets; Suehiro; King; various Diamond pastes, powdered abrasives, Norton oil stones; Fällkniven; Spyderco; DMT, etc etc. I’m always adding to it with various stones, plates, etc What’s best about my method is I built it up and I have a ton of variety, I can sharpen anything from simple carbon steel to Carbide bits. Sure, I’ve spent thousands but I’m not limited to one system by one maker. It all serves me a practical purpose and the collection of various stones is a hobby as well. No one needs to spend thousands, but if you do why limit yourself!?

sure he changes to his 2k $ set ........ ridicolous pricing AF .............. i stay on may not even 50$ suehiros my 15 bucks stoneholder and my diy sinkbridge

Why is everyone hating? Too expensive? Then don’t complain about it in the comments if you can’t afford these stones. Carter switched for a reason and sees more potential in his current system and again, being someone like Stanley money isn’t the factor that he considers when buying stones trust me he’s not on a budget out here 1-2000$ isn’t too crazy to him because he truly looks at the quality of the stones and not only the price. In that case buy a king 1000/6000 and call it good

A $500 lapping plate, really? You showed me how to use a cinder block and a brick....you showed me news paper on a stone for a strop. You showed me two pieces of lumber screwed together for a sink plate. I still us that. I sharpened my work knives for 15 years on a 120 grit norton silicon carbide bench stone using soapy water instead of oil using the principles you instilled in me...light pressure honing on them to finish. I dished 2 out on both sides, still have the 3rd. Thats less than 100 bucks for 15 years. My scimitar, bones and fillers were toothpicks because I always ground the secondary bevel. My dad taught me that geometry and you reaffirmed it. I have a wicked edge system that was mostly comp'd to me by Clay. I have payed that forward by buying paddle diamond stones off him. It's an awesome system, I even have black ark stones for it. It's too expensive though, although I am truly blessed to have it. But I'm right back to the wood sink bridge lately with a king 300 and a butcher steel for maintenence. To each their own, I'm a Capitalist and a true believer in its virtues so I also believe in what you're doing here, but those virtues include voting with my Bill for a dollar....which will continue going to king and norton every 5 years or so. I can see saving up for a $1k knife by you or at least $400 forged by your suboodinates someday and I plan to when my current set of foschners are done but another few grand for sharpening is pretty wild. Thanks for letting me vent fwiw you should have won forged in fire imo.

😂 gone from sharpening on blocks and dont worry about the grits particularly....to selling £1K systems..... SELL OUT.

Dude comes back after disappearing for almost 2 years, to sell you a expensive sharpening system. Get them shekels Murray

This is not carter. It is a Chinese actor with a mask. OMG where is Murray

Wow, I’ve gotta say Murray, I’ve lost a bit of respect for you.

@elievans4453

4 жыл бұрын

Why?

@zube410

3 жыл бұрын

@@elievans4453 he has made a good argument over time for what philosophy or mindset changes would be needed to shift to the more expensive stones, but at first glance, and even after a little bit of examination, this seems to fly in the face of several things that seemed core to all of the principles of simplicity and using skill over complicated or expensive equipment that led so many people to idolize him as a sharpener over the years.

@zube410

3 жыл бұрын

@@elievans4453 I don't think I'm really in a position to judge one way or the other how accurate that impression would be, but it is certainly an easy impression to get watching the jump from tutorials on how to sharpen on a brick if that's all you have, or buying back fancy systems and then throwing them in the garbage so that people will use their own skills, up to the $1,000 systems or $150 individual pieces of systems that are being sold now on his site.

Cringe.

@Yokatosh

4 жыл бұрын

Totes cringe bro

Nano hone is just over priced shapton glass

@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929

4 жыл бұрын

They cost more than the shapton glass stones but they are also double the thickness. Last I checked they were more expensive but not twice as expensive as the shapton glass.