guys! what i meant at 7:20 by "writing and producing your own songs was not a thing in kpop" was that being a songwriter was not really a thing kpop fans paid attention to. it was only after bts that i saw people talking about a "composer line" or a "songwriter position" when they didn't care about it before. of course there were kpop idol who wrote their music before bts but it was not as celebrated as it is today.

@monikabishnoi7240

Жыл бұрын

Can you pls tell me the song name at 8:50 i know the song but don't know the name Btw ur videos are great always you represent army's thoughts very well 🥰

@monikabishnoi7240

Жыл бұрын

@@cloverthv thanku so much for telling 🥰🙏

@z.z.4752

Жыл бұрын

Even then most “self written” songs by anyone outside of rock/metal/alt groups lean heavily on romance and hookup tropes and alienate people who may feel uncomfortable about it. It was all the more satisfying when a group who didn’t just write such lyrics exploded in popularity and got their voices heard.

@user-cb7mq4wb1u

Жыл бұрын

It stinks that some people are calling you out for that line. Sure you could've worded it better so what you were trying to convey was more implied better but whatever. I think KZread allows you to edit ~10 seconds of an already uploaded video so maybe you can put a caption note on it or something

@ashablue78

Жыл бұрын

This is incorrect. People started to talk about songwriters in kpop after Big Bang, especially G-Dragon

Two points you made really struck me: ARMYs come more from the general public than the kpop fan community, and ARMYs like all types of music, but are not fans of an industry. Well said!

@significant_other

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Did you know that kpoopies used to laugh at BTS because they claim only ARMY buy their music and no GP buys. They claim their favs got GP support. Kpoopies are so dumb for not realizing that BTS converts GP into ARMY and that's how they grow their fanbase 🤭

@wherethemilk6277

Жыл бұрын

Nothing they said is really factual at all. No kpop fan is a fan of the industry. We always complain about the industry, how they treat trainees, and how the deal with their idol and let's not forget that bts is also part of that manufactured industry. As idols or artists they just have more free rain now. Also kpop is filled with many differing genres from rock to pop to rnb to edm ect. Most fans of kpop don't only pay attention to 1 groups unlike Army's (which is fine) and just like bts who make different genres of songs it's the some for every other kpop group as although a title track will have a distinct sound the bsides (other tracks on the album) vary alot I recommend the perfect velvet album by red velvet or nct 2020 resonance pt 1. if you'd like to see what I mean

@carmencrespo5704

Жыл бұрын

@@wherethemilk6277 I don't follow kpop very closely but have come across plenty of comments about liking "xxx sound" or "xyz" having the best singers or groups. If that's not being a fan of a company's product, I don't know what is.

@wherethemilk6277

Жыл бұрын

@@carmencrespo5704 the sound of a group refers to their title tracks more than anything. For example the groups NCT 127 and Stray Kids are knows for their titles tracks being noise music however that doesn't mean that their other song on an album arent other genres it's just what they're known for since it's the main track. And yes a company may me known for the best singers or rappers because they have teachers to train the trainees and usually companies will hold auditions to find talented ppl or scout them. Based off of what you're saying BTS is also a company product as well as jhope had no back ground in rapping, and non of the vocal line had any background in singing as well and no one beside jhope and jimin knew how to dance. The company helped train and mold them so that they could debut.

@LiNestHetalia

Жыл бұрын

@@wherethemilk6277 I'm in the kpop community since 2010 and I can testimony that being a fan of a Company formula is a thing that does happens actually, also that kpop have styles of sounds that they give preference to BTS since debut don't followed what was popular back then, and when they do it generally is based in western industry more than korean, just like Dope was released back when It sound style was popular in US, and BTS does experiment way more with their music than a typical kpop group, the only other that I truly can say do the same are Mamamoo and G-Idle

Very well said! BTS was my introduction to “K-pop”. So I tried listening to other K-pop songs because I thought “this music is great “. I found out very quickly that the music BTS creates has nothing in common with K-pop. BTS just makes good music no matter what genre you want to call it.

@janavanbeelen8489

Жыл бұрын

Same here!

@nnaionp

Жыл бұрын

Same

@ivanatrip4504

Жыл бұрын

I really tried to warm up to other kpop acts but they fell flat for me. BTS sincerely makes good music. I know female groups work hard but I just don't enjoy their songs or choreo.

@Raynstor.m

Жыл бұрын

It’s not just their music but their lyrics. It still blows my mind how 7 of the most talented artists in the world can be in one super group. They are by far my favorite group of all times and I am 61 and have listened to many amazing groups of all genres from all over the world. I will be a BTS ARMY until my last breath! 💜 🫰 Borahae

@JaneteB

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my experience, I was more than happy to try K-pop after my BTS introduction but I don’t like the mostly empty pop, it’s why dynamite annoyed me a fair bit and then the rap line with their songs actually got me to stay around because of the deep and complex lyrics

I just remembered this one comment from one of my ARMY friends while we're watching this, he said that "BTS has no obligations to carry K-pop with them. If BTS could do it, then so could they, but only if you're truly passionate enough to care." And that stuck with me ever since.

@monimuppet6132

Жыл бұрын

The whole "if bts can do it so can they" sounds a little "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" which is a pretty flawed and dismissive sentiment. You're not going to say that to someone regarding MJ or Bey because their status is one of a kind. Nevertheless, BTS, and by extention ARMY, having no obligation to carry k-pop with them is accurate. The Industry itself is what holds all those Idols back. None of them can be BTS but they sure as hell can be way more than they are if given the room and empowerment to do so.

@littlebluefishy

Жыл бұрын

BTS’s success is ‘talent + passion + good mentality + the right time + the right environment (surrounded by good people that trained them, being in a small company, etc)’. I am an army for 6 years now but I couldn’t agree with the ‘if Bts could do it, then so could the other group’. I always think BTS’s phenomenal success is more than the members themselves.

@dolldeer

Жыл бұрын

but they are kpop? it isn't that deep. i don't think they are carrying kpop with them either

@kanaksengar8381

Жыл бұрын

BTS don't have to carry kpop because kpop never supported BTS. if any other group from the "big 3" ever made it then I think they would have some obligation towards kpop, because the industry would always be there for '' the big 3 ". kpop's disappointment in bts would have made sense if bts owed their success to the industry.

@blossom6693

Жыл бұрын

@@littlebluefishy you forgot to mention the embarrassing rumours and media play done on them by so called big3 , and about carrying k-pop when they were cutoff from broadcast it's kpop big3 decision so a few times shown in television but when they become big now it's people concern why other group are not getting that audience, BTS reach out to people themselves with pure hardwork and other group are getting a lot of audience from them, by paid recommendations and articles suggestions done by their company, there is huge difference between them, they are still fighting with racism among non k-pop fan abroad and here this all happening 🤦 let them have their success why just messing with it, Spotify filtering stream at massive rate to make that female group who has signed with them to become biggest group in the world in 2017 but BTS come in the way, they are not paying for adview to get authentic so their YT view getting deleted to a extent that 67 million views got deleted on 1 St day for ON MV, same with Jimin solo debut, Hanteo delete 700 k sale bcz it acquire by certain company that is competing with hybe of which biggest profit maker is BTS, like they coming from bankrupt company making all organically and now people are like why not this group, why not that group, why not whole k-pop ,why you didn't think this when other fandom collectively trends on twitter jhope ugly and make it to newspapers, when they get black ocean by those groups bcz army were small fandom that's fan war but when they make awards show into their concert just by their performance award show banned lightstick to stop those performance so that they can't be highlight of the show, it's the same strategy they are applying, sadly whole k-pop industry won't never leave them alone .

Wow! I love this video. Every time I mention I’m a BTS fan, people say “wow so you like Kpop?” and I’m like “hmmm not really” so it’s always tricky to answer, and this video explains it so well! I’ve been a metal and rock fan my whole life, still bts made their way to my heart

@eileencritchley4630

Жыл бұрын

When I got asked that question I said No I'm not a fan of Kpop, because I find most kpop music it's too boring and meaningless for my tastes, but I'm a BTS fan as I really love their music.

@myapplejuice

Жыл бұрын

@@eileencritchley4630 ...I relate... I've listened to lots of kpop song but their music doesn't fit with my taste...

@lizzykayOT7

Жыл бұрын

A fellow metal fan! I'm not hardcore into metal either, just Metallica and Coheed and Cambria really.

@areuseriousrn3343

7 ай бұрын

You’re similar to me lol. Personally I enjoy more Alte Cruise sounds, ex. hiphop, RnB, old rock pop…but bts still found a way lol

@iamwherethegossipis5403

7 ай бұрын

I can relate to that. People usually tell me that I look like a K-pop fan but I politely correct them that I am an ARMY not a K-pop fan😁😁😂

I became a BTS fan from the Coldplay My Universe collab and it actually wasn't the song itself, it was the behind the scenes. I admired how much they cared about the music they were creating. Then I just went through a bunch of their songs and realised they have so many bops! It's not just about their genres of music, it's also about their sincerity. I even managed to convince my entire friend group to be armys and we talk about them daily 🙂

@mari-xw4vr

Жыл бұрын

this is honestly so cute :((( welcome to the fandom, lovely!

@takk7500

Жыл бұрын

We became armys not only because of the songs, it’s because of BTS themselves!

@annaianniello1997

Жыл бұрын

Wowww!! This is so sweet!!! I'm so happy Coldplay and Bts got to collaborate!

@lindagraham2779

Жыл бұрын

I’m envious. I’m 72 and I know no one who is a BTS fan. I would love to have that camaraderie with other fans. I do talk about BTS a lot, but my friends and family tolerate me but can’t relate.

@wewereonlyseven9325

Жыл бұрын

That’s literally how I explain why I’m a fan.. they CARE about their art and how it’s put out to the world .. and in new music today (not just kpop) that’s hard to find..

The fact that BTS succeeded without any help from the Kpop industry, a lot of whom looked down on the members because they came from a small (poor) company, is one of the reasons their fans love them so much. They did it themselves, through the power of their talent and chemistry and the excellent direction from Bang PD.

@delicate55689

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

@jklg3998

Жыл бұрын

BTS deserves their well deserve flowers because the industry treated them like trash and they still do

@moonchild.99_

Жыл бұрын

That's why we highlight their achievements proudly, they worked so hard even though the industry tried to stop them at every chance.

@maggie_857

Жыл бұрын

Very well said💜

@minmin4842

Жыл бұрын

Fr

When I became Army, I didn't know how the boys looked. I had just heard the entire MOTS: Persona and decided I should be a fan. Like you said, it wasn't the looks, but the music.

@incredible_voice5463

3 ай бұрын

Same here girl first time I hear PTD and life goes on...And then I search Artist and I Found BTS now I am Army 🫶

@Taexaesthetic

14 күн бұрын

Same here 💜

When I saw idols' opinions about BTS, none were as honest and clear as Mamamoo's Moonbyul. She said "BTS are really musicians, they write lyrics and compose their songs, so they communicate well with those they work with. (talking about producers, musicians, etc)" in an interview with Adora (ex-producer of BH). That respect, was totally earned by working hard and honestly. No one in the world can beat a fandom like ARMY 💜 No western artist, neither Korean, or Latino. There is only one BTS and one ARMY on this planet and the music and entertainment industry will try to copy the formula but it will never turn out the same because it was born and grew organically. PERIODT

@ashton1356

Жыл бұрын

Another periodt to that!

@jerry-db9vj

Жыл бұрын

Only talent knows talent !!💜✋

@melissamedina2099

Жыл бұрын

and for this I love Mamamoo even more.

@download1712

Жыл бұрын

ikr like why would i stan a group like blackpink or exo as much as bts when bts is the one writing and producing their own stuff?

@R0lI

Жыл бұрын

@@download1712 u dont have to nor do u have to talk about things u obviously have no idea of 😭

The end of the video really struck me, and it's so real. I'm new to k-pop and, last month, I started getting into BTS. I assumed, at first, that BTS was just some handsome guys that sang about how cool they are. But then, when I started knowing them better and reading the translation of the lyrics, I found myself crying on the floor, because I relate so much to the songs. Their lyrics are so meaningful, and now I understand when people say that BTS helped them go through dark times. I'm so happy and pleased to see that BTS is more than what I assumed. It has been a wonderful journey to discover more and more about their work!

@spaghettiwipeawayfaced5963

Жыл бұрын

Hii fellow BTS listener, just wanted to say that I love your pfp

@iwasher9218

Жыл бұрын

This is not a hate comment but To be sincerely honest in my humble opinion without being sentimental of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view and without hiding any thoughts in my mind and without lies, to the actual truth with my clear open mind and clean heart, expressing whatever is embedded inside me for a long time which I didn’t say just because I was nervous. But today, by gathering all the courage and motivation, I just want to say that I actually feel and think that I have absolutely nothing to say.

@neonight9

Жыл бұрын

@@iwasher9218 I was really wondering where you were going with that

@happysoul6784

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the Army Family 👪 💜

@Bang...9900

Жыл бұрын

​@@iwasher9218 my GHA- 😭 , I was really nervous idk why....

This is true. One of the reasons I’m an Army is because I genuinely love their music. I will always be even when they are in their 60s I will still be supporting them. I do think newjeans have good songs. So it’s not even about not giving kpop a chance. I just don’t think the majority of kpop actually cares about music. I’m here for music not just visuals even though BTS are very good looking.

@isolate6509

Жыл бұрын

I have a short attention span so I just skimmed through the hooks of each album on Spotify. I can personally instantly tell whether I like a song or not by the hook. I really liked cookie, so I saved it to my playlist, but I left everything else. And that’s fine :)

@bngnga

Жыл бұрын

Well said 💜

@truptidarekar5463

Жыл бұрын

Faxx🙌

@remaddy5469

Жыл бұрын

It’s obvious u properly never try to listen to other groups... There r groups who care about music... Ofc ur decision is upto ur choice

@Rinna33

Жыл бұрын

@@remaddy5469 I’ve been an Army since very early 2014 close to right after their debut. I’ve already tried for many years it’s not my issue if that’s not what you want to hear.💜

bro the "Are armys close minded?" section of the video literally blew my mind... you word it SO so so well. the justin beiber/drake/the weeknd comparison to bts/kpop was very impressive, and the quote "being the fan of an artist isn't a group project, just because i like one artist doesn't mean i have to like other artists associated with them." was exactly on point. why should we "work together" with kpop fans for THEIR favs if we're not fans of their artists? where were those kpop fans when bts was struggling in the kpop industry, being cut out of broadcasts and underminded/mocked by higher-ups?

@Forever_rain05

9 ай бұрын

Not to mention till this day, those kpop fans Don't miss a chance to throw stupid allegations and hate towards bts. At first we were too less so we got ignored, now we are too many so we get sabotaged anyways. Sorry fam. We're good. Bangtan is all we got and all we want.

@Kalakeiko

8 ай бұрын

I think comments like these are made over and over again, because of some toxic fans in any fandom that says that their favourite group is the most talented, hardworking, genuine, deserving and best, etc. group to ever exist and that no one will ever come close to that no matter what or deserve what their group deserves. But those kind of people can be found anywhere, not just in the BTS fandom, nor just in Kpop and that's just how it is unfortunately, even if it's very frustrating when those people downplay the achievements and successes of other groups and bash and look down on them or dismiss them as unknown/flops.

@Kalakeiko

8 ай бұрын

​@@Forever_rain05I think comments like these are made over and over again, because of some toxic fans in any fandom that says that their favourite group is the most talented, hardworking, genuine, deserving and best, etc. group to ever exist and that no one will ever come close to that no matter what or deserve what their group deserves. But those kind of people can be found anywhere, not just in the BTS fandom, nor just in Kpop and that's just how it is unfortunately, even if it's very frustrating when those people downplay the achievements and successes of other groups and bash and look down on them or dismiss them as unknown/flops.

@erxnga

8 ай бұрын

@@Kalakeiko what does that have to do with kpop fans narrative that bts fans need to support nugus and other kpop groups? 💀💀

@Kalakeiko

8 ай бұрын

@erxnga I mentioned it because I feel like there is this mindset for SOME Kpop fans that not being a fan of something means that you hate it and so when some people see others say that they only stan one group, they must hate the other groups, combined with some toxic solo fans from any fandom that actively do hate on other groups and members and give the peaceful solo fans a bad name unfortunately. There is absolutely nothing wrong with only liking one group or artist in general nor did I mention that anywhere and I don't agree with Kpop fans that try to make people like specific groups when they hear that someone "only" likes one group. I'm sorry though if it came across that way.

you know, i could never put my finger on why i felt most kpop songs were missing something and were just songs for shows, and why i only liked bts, but now i can see that it was the meaning, they have deep, there's meaning, feelings and thought from them in each lyric and concept they put themselves in their music, i guess kpop lacks emotion to say it that way for me

@3xitthissid3

Жыл бұрын

if u only listen to bts why did you koreaboo your username? that's not behaviour of a casual listener that's something people deep into kpop, kdramas, or k culture do. did bangtan teach you that??

@Bang...9900

Жыл бұрын

​​@@3xitthissid3 bangtan is not someone's tution teacher...... And what tf is her user name to do with bangtan !!?

@myapplejuice

Жыл бұрын

@@Bang...9900 Jealousy

@glitterjjk

Жыл бұрын

@@3xitthissid3 lol. i have english username so does that make me a englishboo? anime fans have japnese username does that make them japanboo? bffr kid ☕☕

@3xitthissid3

Жыл бұрын

@@glitterjjk having a korean username does make you a koreaboo just like having a japanese user name makes you a weeaboo. *Actually kbooing or weabooing your user name is REALLY NOT A PROBLEM* (I want to emphasize that fact) - problem is fake fans like her claiming to only stan bts no other kpop act, yet acting in a typical kpop/multi stan fashion. Many ARMYs are falsifying and faking information, in order to make BTS look superior. ya'll fakes need to stop. It's dragging BTS's authenticity and dignity. How embarrassing would it be to have a childish fandom.

It seems crazy to me that people believe that it is an obligation to listen to an entire industry, many of us are casual listeners of many genres and bts is the only exception for many

I was mostly a rock fan and didn't veer out of that genre much until BTS. Since they blew me away so much, I wanted to keep an open mind and give other kpop acts a try. Very few had me coming back for more like BTS had. They adhere to no single genre and when it comes to the human experience, no topic is off the table when it comes to their lyrics, even suicide ideation. Hell, they'll write about catching fish. (Thx, Jin.) The variety of their vast catalogue is more robust than any band that has been around twice or 3x as long as them. BTS just cannot be contained in the kpop world, nor can be classified as such. Army understands that.

@RiotGrrrl10

Жыл бұрын

I just love it when I encounter other armys that are rock fans, and there are many of us. My friends still don't understand just how and why I'm a fan of pink floyd and BTS at the same time, but I am cause I just love good music.

@Bread_Jinie

Жыл бұрын

Catching fish 😂👌 And the fact that HYBE even allowed it to have a 1 Min long M/V for my bias's random song is still unbeliebubble 😂😅

@Starcore600

Жыл бұрын

Same!

@rockangel1603

Жыл бұрын

lmao

@imnotsleepyo__o

Жыл бұрын

THIS!,,, I listen to a lot of kpop songs before and I really dont like the hip hop songs of bts, but now, NOW! I really love it and go crazy listening to it, not just their songs, but other hip hop songs too, also the rap I consider "rap" before is actually rubbish and nothing like the genuine lyrics and sick beats of bts so 👍👍👍they're the best!

This is so true. I am an grown up ARMY of 36 years old. Yes there are other Kpop bands with good music, but I can't name a full album that I fell in love with like BTS albums. I became an ARMY watching Run BTS. The relationship between them is the reason why I started to listened their music and my little sister is a huge fan too.

As someone on the flipside (a K-Pop stan who isn't into BTS as much), this was well said. Also, despite not being an ARMY, I'll respect that BTS' audience has grown to such a wide range and different variety of music fans that cannot fully click with the K-Pop community. Why fight about music you don't click with? Just ignore it if you don't like it. Let the ARMYs live their ARMY lives, and let the other kpop stans be kpop stans.

@winter2356

Жыл бұрын

Dang , thanks. That's what it should be like in every fandom. Enjoy the things you like and let ppl enjoy what they like. There'll be no wars or shit and maybe we can see more laid back and honest personalities of the idols, without any fake rumours. Only if it was this easy.

@mirage541

Жыл бұрын

You said it so well.

@btsforever1872

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! If only K-pop stans and K-pop industry will stop suggesting the US give their artists a chance.

@devashrijoshi9079

Жыл бұрын

Finally one chill comment

@ilikehatecommentsmorethann5825

Жыл бұрын

Learn more about BTS and read the lyrics of BTS songs paradise, nevermind, love myself, epiphany, magic shop, tomorrow, We On, Hip Hop lover, etc Watch the explanation videos of BTS songs Ddaeng, spine breaker, ugh, persona, whalein 52, Idol,blood sweat and tears, etc Watch The rise of bangtan docu-series chapter 1-21 Watch The most beautiful life goes on story of BTS. Watch BTS On commentary film dialogue

I've seen opinions thrown out there by multi-stans or K-pop fan that some people don’t like BE for some reason, or that they think it’s BTS’s weakest album, and I think this is a great example of what you talked about. BE was different in so many ways. The concept photos that the boys came up with were relatively natural and minimal. Although many songs have flawlessly proven themselves to be phenomenal performance songs, no song is a performance song with actual choreography (except Dynamite) or flashy visuals or special effects. This album had Bangtan filming a music video in their own clothes in their own rooms, and interviewing each other in extensive videos about their songwriting and production process and thoughts and goals as artists, and putting out a diverse multi-genre record with their reflections and worries and hopes. It was very much about the music, and that was something I loved. It was something they didn't even have to prove but they still did - yet another thing they showed they can do; a reinforcement that music is always no. 1 to them. Of course I love losing my mind over new hair colors and amazing outfits and being in awe of incredible choreography and performances and visuals and music videos, but I LOVED this genuine, simple yet extraordinary, cozy, perfect album. In my opinion, this was a decidedly “non-K-pop” kind of album, and maybe that's why K-pop fans have an issue with it? I myself am someone who was actually never that into music, but heard about BTS from a coworker, randomly decided to watch SNL in April 2019, and never looked back. I actually remember hearing the hype about SuperM and Jopping in fall 2019, watching the MV out of curiosity and not even being able to finish it because I just genuinely didn't care. Whether it's the music of other artists having such superficiality, or lacking the storytelling, authenticity and versatility of Bangtan, nothing can compare in my mind now. There is NOTHING like Bangtan and never will be.

@rafaelsmith5737

Жыл бұрын

I actually don't know much about their albums cause I never ever listened to their music by albums But I do know that they have a song called 'Disease' and I like it a lot Then I found out it's part of their BE album

@leejeanne487

Жыл бұрын

@@rafaelsmith5737 I think most tend to listen to their music on shuffle anyways. You get to see the diversity in genre and style more easily imo from their older and newer music mixed together

@lobsterlad7

Жыл бұрын

i agree with everything you said about BE. BE is one of my absolute favourite bts albums - i think the songs in that album flow seamlessly and i love the different genres of music that were included, but most of all i love how raw, honest, and comforting the lyrics were. even a song like telepathy, which sounds like a fun and relaxing listen (especially following blue & grey), is filled with so much hopeful longing. when i found out that there were people who considered BE to be "empty" compared to bts' other albums, i could only assume that they were the types of people who equated "fullness" in an album with big-budget flashiness, and didn't even CONSIDER lyrics because authenticity truly leaked out of every pore of BE.

@explore.express.love.3483

Жыл бұрын

This is extremely true. I feel like 'BE' album goes above kpop fans understanding while that album is what got many out of dire mental health issues. It was so well written that I even used a few lyrics from 'Disease' and 'Blue and Grey' during a speech explaining depression. And people really liked how I broke down the topic. I didn't even have to mention the song or the group and yet it resonated. That's how profound it is.

@monimuppet6132

Жыл бұрын

BE is my favorite album for all the reasons you stated. I don't argue with anyone about the "best" album or "best" era because who's to say? I can only tell anyone what touches me most and it has been BE. I am starting to understand why kpop stans, even ARMYmultis, get annoyed with BTS and just don't understand most ARMYs. It's because you can't really play the "idol game" with BTS. It's not as fun to pick apart their fits and concepts, M/Vs and choreo, and just move on to the next thing. The song is always the center with BTS and everything else is built on its foundation. So if you're not into the song itself, the accompanying visuals and choreo won't matter as much to you, they won't seem expensive and flashy enough. The idol industry sells a spectacle while BTS presents you with themselves in art form. So for the person that came to consume the spectacle, BTS isn't going to feed them enough. It seems it comes down to what kind of appetite a person has.

First listened to Kpop in 2002. Dived into BTS ARMY in 2020 and I only listen to BTS now. There’s never been anything like BTS that I’ve seen. They have something magical that Kpop doesn’t have.

@nacmegfeegle2310

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@blueturtle1813

Жыл бұрын

yup but kpop stans try to rewrite history now and try to claim Kpop pre BTS was something it very much was not. see some of the army multi comments here

@KookiesNolly

Жыл бұрын

I have a colleague who told me he hated KPOP cause he tried listen to some 2nd Gen songs back in the day. It was from one specific company, he didn’t like their sound and vibe. When I told him I liked BTS he was very apprehensive cause he perceived Kpop has a genre. I showed him some BTS songs and he likes them now but still doesn’t like the music that is similar from the 2nd Gen stuff he heard before. Sometimes people just don’t like the sound lol

@mariamercedez9163

Жыл бұрын

the kpop industry is very overrated, most of the idols only show their most extravagant visual side and their music is so terrible, bts is so different you can feel and see the passion that bts have in their music they are true artists who want to send a message and leave a mark in this world

@devashrijoshi9079

Жыл бұрын

@@blueturtle1813 Kinda agreed as a 2nd gen fan. Internationally there weren't much audiences except maybe SEA & Japanese audiences. Maybe some European or Latin American countries as well but were very few. Tho Kpop pre BTS was def smth I have to agree

I've spent way too much time in this comment section but I can't help it, this subject fascinates me and I just thought of something: If those that are now only ARMY began stanning other kpop groups, nothing would change. The amount of time, money, energy, and devotion the average ARMY gives to BTS cannot be transferred to any other artist because it is BTS themselves, those individual humans together in a group, that make their work what it is. Any other 7 people under the exact same circumstances, with the exact same music, with the exact same choreo & marketing; would not have achieved the same results. It only works the way it works and it only resonates the way it resonates, because of how those very specific 7 individuals are together. Their specific delivery, voices, stage presence, humor, and how it fits together. So kpoppies are right in a sense; ARMYs love all of BTS' music because it's BTS that sings it. That is correct but that also means the constant detailing of how similar another group is or even how much "better" another group is, is a waste of energy. It's futile to be upset with ARMY over only supporting BTS because we literally CAN'T do these things for anyone else. We can stan others all day but because they aren't those specific 7 people, their music and content isn't going to conjure up the same level of motivation. If another group could have that effect on us then they would have, but they haven't. There's nothing to be done. But, hey, continue to discuss. I'm not above some discourse... obviously lol.

@jaconwood

Жыл бұрын

Wow,...so eloquently describing my exact thoughts and feelings! I have come to love BTS as individuals...they are like family, as are all Army. We all resonate on the same frequency; which is spiritual love. Nothing can beat this 'force' that is a rolling wave; gathering momentum all the time. BTS are not 'idols' to me, but 'forerunners' of a spiritual awakening among mankind. Praise God for sweeping us up in this wave of love in these very dark times! BTS is the crest...Army, the wave!

@hannahorse16

Жыл бұрын

No but this is so true! Started with bts dark and wild album back in 2014 so ive been around a while i tried to get into other kpop groups for years and nothing stuck beyond casual listening. (Its the same with literally any western music lol.) Bts is the only one i consistently watch every video of, buy their docs on weverse, buy every album (still have dark and wild on itunes lol.)

@Doyoungismyfave

Жыл бұрын

I fucking hate the term kpoppies

@aashrithakakumani1588

Жыл бұрын

I really agree with you, as an ARMY who does switch up music and groups, nothing really has drawn me like BTS. The only other one that could compare is Seventeen which did drag me out of my K-Pop slump. I don't want to offend anyone, but I feel like they do have some parallels but Seventeen was just never that bold due to the company being REALLY broke (see; literally Seventeen living in a basement pre-debut and it being a joke among carats) and their main fans originally being in the Korean media. But hey, if there are any armycarats who are more informed about this subject because before the last few months I've never really dived this deep so please feel free to teach me!

@zikiziki9422

Жыл бұрын

Seriously apart from my family bts nobody worth my money them and selfless love only bts

This is so true. So many of us, including myself say " I am not into kpop, but I am into BTS."

@kyokindakute

4 ай бұрын

soo. you're into kpop

I am a multi stan, I listen to a wide variety of different groups, and I can agree with this video. I love all the other groups I stan, but something about the music BTS makes just hits harder than all those multitude of other groups. I have also noticed that stans of other groups tend to alienate BTS from kpop, but hate it when ARMYs themselves try to separate BTS and kpop. A very well made video, as usual.

@m7i7naa

Жыл бұрын

the "kpop" tag doesn't describe bts fully as it does to a lot of other groups. At a global level, the kpop category was introduced to keep bts away from the main categories that they deserve to be nominated for and win. Because of their growing success, they are now on the frontline of the mainstream music industry which hurts the ego of racist people in the music industry who are at the top of the system. a recent example: Billboard changes its criteria for charting, now the radio airplay will be considered for charts and we know how most of the radio thing works in west *coughs payola. A lot of people(mostly in kpop and kpop fan communities) try to downplay bts success and discredit it to the kpop industry instead of bts according to their convenience to fit their narratives. This is one of the reasons a lot of armys separate BTS from kpop. Army is the most global and diverse fandom so the views come from different perspectives and the bigger global picture. These are some of the reasons ARMYs mostly separate BTS from Kpop, it puts the boys in the box. and armys were always excluded from the kpop fan community.

@caseytakanashi1397

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah.. I definitely want to separate BTS from kpop. Kpop label on BTS is a huge dead weight. Useless. A burden. BTS had to fight against kpop stereotypes all by themselves. That kpop label works AGAINST BTS! Good things happen to BTS...it's Kpop win. When dark side of Kpop shit happens its always BTS in the article headlines even when BTS is no way connected to it. BTS gets attacked with racism, xenophobia etc..K-pop fans laugh maliciously and wished death on BTS members. Kpop community/industry does not support BTS AT ALL in fact they do their utmost to engineer BTS' downfall. BTS broke away from that cheap Kpop mould a looooong time ago. As long as that K-pop industry and community continues to discredit and erase BTS' achievements..I hope Kpop crumbles under its own weight. K-pop fans can die mad from jealousy because none of those groups are ever gonna see BTS level of success. Should've kept their mouths shut and not antagonize ARMYs.

@ktsleeve

Жыл бұрын

BTS is not Kpop at all and Kpoppies hate BTS and ARMY with a passion so I’m not sure why it is always on us to take the abuse and then bow down to them. I’ve been ARMY since before they ever performed in America and I can tell you not a day has gone by without Kpoppies making up some disgusting vile lie about BTS. I know you’ll do bothsidesism and blame ARMY because that’s what multis always do. No we fight back we answer back but ARMYs are kind and good. I’ve met so many of them over the years they are not like Kpoppies. I am a bit angry as you can tell. I just wish there was a way that BTS and Army could get away from K-pop forever. Forever and ever.

@contagiousgaze

Жыл бұрын

because waaay back then the other groups' fandoms collectively decided to "kick out" bts and army from k-pop.. that's why army always referred to other kpop group fans as kpoppies. those twitter days were awful

@TheMusicBoxMashups

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this statement. I stan TxT along with BTS, and those are the only groups i have spent money on. BTS and their solo projects are the soundtrack my late teens & early adulthood.

I listen only to classical music for more than three decades. I heard Kpop way back but it did not interest me. Until last year when I heard and got fascinated by BTS. I digged and got enamored. Art is a magnet to me. Overall BTS is an art.

@itsbonniefay2417

Жыл бұрын

Yes classical music fan here!! Me too

@gabriellekoontz

Жыл бұрын

BTS is Art indeed! 🎉 well said.

@gailkeren

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.....muy simpatico!! I thought I was the only one. Seriously, my playlist is Beethoven, Mozart, Mahler (and the rest of the gang) and BTS. The videos I watch are BTS or the Berliner Philharmoniker.

@lovespeaklove

Жыл бұрын

this means a lot to us even if your decision to share this is not to impress or anything of the sort. it touched me bcos as someone inclined or into art, that's just what we see in BTS, art. i love art, tho art doesn't like me bcos I'm not talented in it. i know art when i see it.

@lunaskullriver1326

Жыл бұрын

I only listened to Metal Music (not the really "hard" stuff, mostly Nightwish etc) ... then my colleague brought me to BTS... I listen to their music mostly ever since xD

I just found this channel yesterday, and I'm quite ashamed that I found you so late, but thank you for giving this constructive information based on facts about Bangtan. I tend to zone out about the kpop industry as a whole and mainly focus on Bangtan. Some of my friends find it weird, but you gave me comfort by saying that it's okay as long as I enjoy Bangtan's music. Thank you so much!

@ilikehatecommentsmorethann5825

Жыл бұрын

Watch other videos from her channel

@blossom6693

Жыл бұрын

Please share her channels to other army.

@_birdie

Жыл бұрын

It’s insane how many subscribers she has. With the quality of her videos (and even just the topic being BTS) I’m floored the channel doesn’t have more subs.

My daughters stan kpop while I stan BTS. I could never explain to them why their various groups didn't interest me. I do like a song here and there by someone they stan, but I don't care much for the artists in general. That being said, I LOVE music. Maybe one day they'll stop trying to persuade me that I need to diversify, as if BTS isn't diverse enough. I have tons of respect for the kpop industry and its artists. Becoming an idol is no easy thing, but I'm not a child/teen/young adult. I want more than an idol. 💜

@lizzykayOT7

Жыл бұрын

Older Armies understand that, we've seen a lot of musicians come and go. So we can see now special BTS is.

I love bts for many reasons. 1. The music is amazing. The lyrics are great. 2. INSANE synchronized choreography. These men put on a fantastic show. 1 song is exhausting. I can't imagine doing a full concert! 3. Their shows are hilarious , intelligent and heartfelt. 4. They're family. They clearly are insanely close and get along well. I've never seen anything like it. There's no dumb drama that's scripted or artifical. 5. They're all natural comedians. 6. Most important- although they are all clearly different with their own personalities - I fell in love with all of them. That being said- they broke the mold on so many levels. It's not enough to be good looking, talented, a great dancer and singer/rapper. People have to actually like you and I checked out other groups and though I like a few. I noticed I'm not into them like bts. From the songs to choreography being sloppy or no passion. They don't make me howl with laughter like bts does. I actually fell hard for them through run bts episode 51. I had tears running down my face laughing so hard. 🤣 after that I binged watched all of run bts. Then I got into their music and started watching their performances . My jaw hit the ground. I cant believe these funny guys were doing these moves and crazy choreography. To me bts is almost a separate entity.

@lalaking7974

Жыл бұрын

@skorpia g - I feel EXACTLY what you expressed. - It's just the whole package! - Right now I'm in the middle of the amazing documentary series "The Rise of Bangtan". Some episodes (most, actually) make me cry for some touching/sometimes sad reason or other. But before my tears can even dry from that, the guys do something SO hilarious that I'm crying from laughing. They are just the best in so many ways.

This is becoming my favorite ARMY/BTS channel. To me, all the flashiness and dance choreos are just the icing on the cake. In order for me to become a solid fan, the music should evoke emotions. I've heard of kpop since the early 2000s but it never piqued my interest because I always thought kpop had this outdated sound. The first time my sister showed me BTS, it was the release of Mic Drop. I was (surprisingly) very impressed at how good and how mainstream they sounded -- but that was it and then I moved on. I felt too old for boy groups and kpop. Fast fwd to end of 2020 and what turned me into an ARMY was Jin's "Epiphany" and V's "Inner Child", two songs without all the flashiness. Those two songs took me deep down the rabbit hole where I discovered a myriad of impressive musical talents/works. Sure, the sound and aesthetics will capture my attention but the lyrics and message is ultimately what will ground me. Additionally, the people I support must also be kind, genuine, and overall good people who's truly passionate about their craft and cares about the world. BTS has proven that. I wish there had been an artist like BTS around when I was a teenager -- would've done wonders for my mental health.

@livuniverse

Жыл бұрын

the same for me what turned me into an ARMY was Jin's "Epiphany" I found it looking for motivational songs that was the first time I bothered to read the translation of the lyrics and I love BTS now 💜

@ParKbgtn7

Жыл бұрын

yes I agree. I want to support good people. earlier I used to not care about who made the music and just enjoyed it but after bts I feel it's important to know who you are stanning as well

@ikmalhaikal2230

Жыл бұрын

You're so right. BTS musics evoke emotions that I was surprised each time I read the lyrics. I thought they were the same as other kpop groups when I heard Boy With Luv because it was too cutesy for me. So I didnt like it as much. But 2020 came the world went into chaos and BTS released Dynamite. Then they released Life Goes On. Just the right message for the people during pandemic. When I start paying attention to their lyrics I was shook everytime. I even like Boy With Luv after knowing their lyrics again.

@kerrierichard8121

Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! You really nailed it in showing what separates BTS from the K-pop industry. I could write a novel about how amazing BTS is, not just as musical artists, but also as humble, compassionate humans who truly love and appreciate their fans. They are beyond comparison, and I will be here waiting for their reunion.

@rosivlyz

Жыл бұрын

no seriously same

I feel like BTS has especially proved themselves as true artist whenever they’ve debuted solo. I consider myself a causal fan, but I’ve done deep dives into their discographies both as a group and individually. BTS continues to put out quality music that really resonates with your soul. Listening to their instrumentals and getting goosebumps then reading their lyrics and it resonating with you. Their music is their story and most kpop groups’ albums just have a bunch of songs jammed in but there’s isn’t much thought about the flow. I ALWAYS listen to full albums for most groups I’m a bit interested in and honestly BTS’ discography is unmatched. But everyone has different taste in music so take this with a grain of salt.

@blossom6693

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to interrupt but don't you think 'we on' by BTS is as good as dynamite and spring day, those are 99% army favourite and rest song are divided but I could not get over ' we on' till now it's already 9 year , it's really good or its delusion like as many army don't like their old songs and maybe never tried to know 💜

@Amii007ApoBangpo

Жыл бұрын

​@@blossom6693 It's not like we don't like their old songs, if you look at it, ARMYs' fav songs comes from old ones. Idk bout dynamite coz It's not their usual output. They already accepted that they lost their way and that's how dynamite and butter came, that era was not what they planned but still since fans grew massively after dynamite era so many like that one. So we can't say dynamite was the best one out there for favourites but pls SPRING DAY is very special to our heart. Never let this song down! This carries deep emotions and that's why this song is called the QUEEN of all BTS songs among us. All of their songs re so good, catchy, full of emotions, and so deep but there are some that stands far from all and Spring Day is one of them. It's my fav too(along with some other) Not saying WE ON is bad, but pls don't say like that. Lastly we all can have different tastes

@blossom6693

Жыл бұрын

@@Amii007ApoBangpo I mean to say that their old songs are underrated YK , spring day is definitely good but other songs also deserve better like in`we on' they announced that they are here only for music which is almost in the beginning of their career which is hella crazy knowing their background and big3 company sabotage

@Amii007ApoBangpo

Жыл бұрын

@@blossom6693 Songs depends on the taste of music that can differ from person to person. Spring day was made on the Sewol Ferry Disaster in Korea, where many kids died. It carries so much pain. I understand you, and I myself feel that some songs are underrated. So I'm not saying you're wrong, your way of saying it was wrong. The way you said firstly that WE ON is so better than Spring Day, it was kinda rude. Every song of theirs, is really so good. There's a song that tells their story of how they were looked down by their own country. There's a song that tells who they're. There are so many that we can't count. So I hope you won't say like this.

@blossom6693

Жыл бұрын

@@Amii007ApoBangpo ok I will edit that, I really want some of their song to get recognision bcz those are hella unique so say that out of emotions,we will edit the message

I used to think it's "KPOP is more than BTS" But now, I personally think it's actually "BTS is more than KPOP"

I must say as a 67 year old... sadly I never really listened to any music most of my life. It wasn't my thing. However, I discovered BTS 7 August of 2021. It is now the only music I listen to... ever. And I love most of their music...regardless of the genre the song should be in. For example... I had never ever listened to rap. It never made sense to me, I never saw the value in it. And now... I LOVE BTS'S rap. I can't get enough of it. It is brilliant and powerful. Thank you for another great video essay!

@dmorales1064

Жыл бұрын

@Suzan Rossi same here. I heard about them from my niece but didn't pay too much attention up until this year. I went down that rabbit hole but I'm enjoying the ride.

@cupcakenfetti

Жыл бұрын

I can relate. I was not into music at all. Used to be a random listener. But then everything you said I can relate

@rahmanoyshi

Жыл бұрын

Same. BTS made me love their rap. I didn't like rap before

@rahmanoyshi

Жыл бұрын

@@cupcakenfetti same. I never stanned anyone before them cz nobody stuck to me. I just enjoyed listening to random good songs

@cupcakenfetti

Жыл бұрын

@@rahmanoyshi idk if people say that we are being biased,that's just not the case w us. We not only love BTS for their music but also respect them for who they are.

Your video essays always capture the true thoughts of armys and I love it for that. This channel is precious.

@oanayuuram7542

Жыл бұрын

agree 100% percent

@moonchild.99_

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree

This explains a lot to me. I'm relatively new ARMY (infantry?), having only discovered BTS Oct 2021. It's only recently that I've started looking at other groups, but, while I enjoy a selection of songs, I haven't really clicked as well with the groups themselves. Thinking on it, though, the only other group that I've really clicked with was ABBA. I told my friends that I'm just slowly working my way through the alphabet! 😂 It only took me 40 years to go from A to B.

@lizzykayOT7

Жыл бұрын

Lol! ABBA is excellent though.

@_birdie

Жыл бұрын

“Infantry” 🤣🤣👍👍

@s_p5321

Жыл бұрын

I love the way you put it , from A to B 🤣🤣🤣💜.

and when I tell my Kpop stans friends that Im not a kpop fan, only an ARMY.. I was once a kpop fan tho... they keep telling me that it's the same thing, NO HONEY it is not.

This channel deserves more exposure. It's one of the best and necessary Army channels.

@sethi9917

Жыл бұрын

literally

@anikaorpa784

Жыл бұрын

We need to make youtube armys see this.

@tx_7892

2 ай бұрын

Literally!!

To me, the most attractive feature of BTS is their intentionality behind their music. The lyrics are always meaningful, and the songs in an album have an overarching theme, and the albums have progressions in the messages they want to convey. I have been trying to explore other kpop artists that have similar level of depth but to no avail. That’s why I always go back to BTS.

@McLaren1993

Жыл бұрын

Same. I've been trying to listen to other K-pop stars but the lyrics are often so trivial and meaningless that it seems like these idols have nothing important to say. No personality, no opinions, just like robots being programmed by labels what to do. They all sound the same, look the same and I just can't feel any bond with someone I would have nothing to talk about. While listening to their songs I don't feel touched and I don't feel emotional depth

@meeeee515

Жыл бұрын

I would recommend you to listen to IU. She has really meaningful music and she writes her lyrics and most of the times produces her music herself.

@tirkizs

Жыл бұрын

@@meeeee515 Thanks for the recommendation! i hv heard similar comments about IU as well and will definitely try listening to more of her songs

@lovely4998

Жыл бұрын

Pls listen to lesserafim and txt

@meowmeowmeowcatcat

Жыл бұрын

@@McLaren1993 Nah you didn't just say that💀💀 there are so many groups with meaningful, beautiful music, bts isn't ths only group that produces and writes their lyrics. Literally most of the kpop songs have it's hidden meaning, and saying that they have no personality and are just like robots is genuinely so disrespectful (also with the 'they all look the same). Stop belittling others hard work just because you're an only bts fan.

I think the most eye-opening part of this video is how bts is the only kpop group where the spotify streams actually match or even surpass the yt views. I have spotify and I listen to a lot of music with it, but I never listened to kpop on it, I only use youtube for that. I always thought it was just me but now that I think about it, listening to a kpop song without the mv feels *wrong* because it's almost like you're missing a part of the experience. When you're a kpop fan, you can't just "listen to their music" you are almost forced to see their videos, their performances, their interviews, etc. Not a fan of bts' music but I can at least appreciate the fact that they're musicians first, idols second.

@s_p5321

Жыл бұрын

We have a saying in our society or community at my hometown, that a good music or song will still sound good and fulfilling even without having to watch the video, probably might be the reason why BTS' spotify streams are big. I as well listened to mostly BTS' songs with some j-pop/rock or anime songs including some piano and other classical pieces through spotify a lot , rather than watching the mv in yt. It's waayyy convenient for me atleast, especially while studying.

BTS are their own genre to me. Their music is actually REALLY good. The lyrics, the voices, the harmonies-all superior. But in addition, they are incredible dancers/actors/models/performers. They are, quite simply, incredible artists. When they return from military service, they will have even more to write about, new experiences, new perspectives to share. They are artists and will continue to use their lives to hone their craft. They are my forever idols, but also so much more than that. The emotions they inspire feel personal, as if we have a real, mutual affection and concern. We will never forget BTS and yes, they will go down in history. They will be remembered like The Beatles, who put the British sound on the map and ushered in the British wave. If other Korean acts don’t benefit from the doors they opened, it is because of themselves. (“We” meaning ARMY and BTS, not me and BTS.)

@sanzr617

Жыл бұрын

@pambaby912 I hear you. I don’t think of t BTS as kpop they are a league of their own💜🫶

@inessacco9970

Жыл бұрын

That's right, but my question every day is... why do they have to pause their careers now in their prime being the best artists on the planet!? with incredible talent! when they deserved to exempt more than those pianists, classical artists and athletes and engineers that the government exempts! they exempt thousands per year and they did not exempt bts who were even ambassadors to the un, white house, expo, etc!! Military service is horrible!! and it's going to ruin them emotionally and physically just like it has done to the Koreans they were. many idols have suffered all kinds of unpleasant things there! it really is to worry!! It is incredible that the government ruins the best thing it has in its country!

I don't wanna say ' Thank you ' because, at this point, it really feels like an understatement. I just love the way you explain ARMY's perspective of Kpop so well and with clear purity. I can't thank you enough, to be honest. I'm glad I stumbled on your videos. Keep up the good work

I became an army this year and I instantly noticed that I don't really consider bts a kpop group. I mean, their music is so much more than just kpop.

7:04 I had trouble believing this at first but today my K-pop stan friends who don't liks BTS explicitly told me it's not about the music. It kinda rocked my world since I assumed liking a group meant having a connection to the music 😅

@juliettedinternet8707

11 ай бұрын

I think it depends on the person though. I mean, I do agree that kpop is probably not popular for the music but for everything else (visuals, choreos, parasocial relationships etc) but there ARE some fans of kpop groups who are there for the music (I'm actually talking about myself lol. I love Dreamcatcher and just for their music so it kinda hurts me when people generalize) This is just not the majority I'd say.

I became a fan at my lowest point (depression). BTS’ music helped me so much to love myself and trust the process. They still do even if they are on a break now. No other k-pop has done the same so far. Thank you for making this video. Borahae. 💜

As a 43 yr old woman, I’m into Christian rock song and contemporary. I’d tried to listen in other K-pop songs but honestly it’s not my thing. I’m drawn to BTS because they are relatable, their music gives comfort with sincere and honest emotions. Through their music helps me to overcome depression and stress in life. Including the Run BTS show that helps me to laugh in life and not be serious all the time.

I always answer people who ask that ridiculous question with "I like Johnny Cash. But funny enough I never have country music fandoms coming at me asking why I don't like Carrie Underwood or Waylon Jennings. Why do other fandoms believe I have to support the industry? Why can't I just like one group like with any other music I consume?" Of course they never have an answer because their question is insane and happens with NO other music.

@lifelong8053

Жыл бұрын

So true!!!!

@hope3290

Жыл бұрын

YES EXACTLY! I love this comment.

@serotoninis9084

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@maddigotnojams1964

Жыл бұрын

Great analogy. 💯

@kinetic3971

Жыл бұрын

Damn Johnny Cash? Good taste.

I was into metal/grunge/rock music before BTS. I listened to a lot of pop as well and was a huge Lady Gaga fan but rock was my ... well rock haha. I always went back to it. I got introduced to BTS by watching a Pewdiepie video and he reacted to Not Today. I don't know what it was about that song but it completely took over. I started listening to more and more BTS songs and also explored a lot of other Kpop groups. BTS's music is just on another level. There's fun, silly, serious, sad, deep, inspiring, dancing, and just so many different types of songs that can fit into any mood you're in. BTS has become my rock now. While I do still listen to my old favorite bands (especially MCR) BTS is my go to now. They've been my #1 played artists on spotify and KZread music. Now don't get me wrong there is songs I do not like from them. I'm not the type of fan who loves everything artists put out. It makes me upset when people tell me I'm not a real fan because I don't like a song. For example people come after me when I tell them I do not like Spring Day. To me it just sounds really loud and I feel like I can't hear the vocals cause of that siren sound. We can't be expected to love every single song that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the song it just means we personally don't like it and that's okay. I really liked this video you talked about a lot things thay frustrated me and I felt seen honestly. I will forever love BTS and I can't wait for them to come back to us and gives us more music. 💜💜💜💙💙💙❤️❤️❤️

@lovespeaklove

Жыл бұрын

this is so accurate. I relate to this bcos before BTS, the only bands i listen to were Linkin Park and Evanescence.

@satvrnz_png

Жыл бұрын

wow, same here, i was very much into rock and indie and also found out bts through that pewdiepie video

@aeongies

Жыл бұрын

have you tried listening to dreamcatcher?

@s_p5321

Жыл бұрын

Spring day is beautiful, but the track arrangement sure was loud, I have to agree on that 😂😂.

@marissa1341

11 ай бұрын

Oh wow. I never noticed that on Spring Day. That part never caught my ear. And I hope it still doesn't, it might ruin it for me. Mine is Whalien 52. Love the lyrics and the rap and vocal, but there is a high pitched noise in the production that I just can't do the song. I think it was supposed to be a sound at 52hz. It literally gives me a migraine.

This is so true. I myself started with Big Bang, then when i lose interest, I discovered Stray Kidz, I also lose interest in them thereafter. I found BTS when I was searching for a variety of music where I could relate the lyrics in my life. I discovered different groups and soloist too, Mamamoo, Everglow, Dreamcatcher, Jessi, Ichillin', TxT, NewJeans to name a few, but I always go back to BTS as my top artist. It doesnt mean that I hate other idol groups or soloist. Its all about music taste and messages, and for me, BTS has it all.

I hate when kpop fans come after ARMYs for "not giving others even a chance". I'm just like, what makes you think we didn't? 😭 This video is so spot on. I was the perfect definition of "general public" prior to becoming an ARMY, I had a few artists I was paying more attention to but nothing too deep (except for Little Mix, those have been my queens since 2012). After discovering BTS it encouraged me to actually explore music which I wouldn't have normally given a chance to, and I found a lot of songs and artists that I like now. Sadly, 99% of k-pop just wasn't "it" for me. And just like you said, BTS is amazing even without all the beautiful visuals, breathing choreography and everything else that is a norm in k-pop (not that they lack in those areas). Most ARMYs follow BTS for what they have to say, not for what they wear or how they move. Sure, kpop gives you everything in one package (dancing, singing, rapping, high-quality MVs, pretty faces to look at), but if the music - which should be the number one priority (and isn't most of the time) - isn't good, you're not gonna turn a GP into a loyal, loving fan.

@ashton1356

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@dreampinkreel

Жыл бұрын

Y’all actually have a huge complex superiority with a tint of xenophobia lmao

@jumpsuitgirl3835

Жыл бұрын

This. (especially the last two paragraphs..)

@btsforever1872

Жыл бұрын

I really don’t care what K-pop fans thinks about not giving other artists a chance. Those same fans were belittling BTS success and hating them for achieving world recognition; are now trying to force BTS fans to listen to more K-pop artists. The K-pop artists coming to the US are 2nd rate and the music is awful. I rather listen to non kpop Korean artists such as Park Hyo Shin & Paul Kim.

@raccoonchild

Жыл бұрын

@@btsforever1872 Same, I have no reason to care about the opinion of some musical bottom-feeders 🤣. I'm happy with letting BTS represent Korea for me when Japanese music doesn't occupy my mind.

Thank you again Boracity for never desappointing ARMYS with your amazing quality content 💜

Ur point about comparing basketball to K-pop was so valid! Made so much sense

@whatcanisay3862

Жыл бұрын

That got me too❤

8:57 "To become a BTS fan, you only need to listen to the music" So true!! For me at least. I became a fan after listening to Crystal Snow, DNA and Let go, I had no idea what they looked like, their mvs or performances for a week or so afterwards.

I found BTS in 2015, I was an 18 year-old girl in the middle of an existential crisis because I had no dream so of course I completely connected with their music and was blown away by their talent and performances. Since they were going to music and award shows, I was exposed to every group at the same events as them. I even intended to dive deep into kpop because I was curious but I lost all interest as months went by, it just wasn't my thing but instead BTS became THE Artists of my life, they definitely were and still are very different from others. Now that they are going to their military service, I've constantly seen other people doing comments like "now armys are going to go to other kpop groups" which makes me laugh because BTS aren't "disposable" or "replaceable" to me and I'm perfectly fine with waiting as long as it takes for them. I'm a big fan of other artists like McFly and Ed Sheeran and they got years between albums so I'll be okay 👍

@venom_2001

Жыл бұрын

Army....Lets spare some awards for other groups till 2025 BTS return 💜

@aiman434

Жыл бұрын

@@venom_2001 what ?? If BTS gets nominated we are going to vote for them no matter what even if they are in the military

@venom_2001

Жыл бұрын

@@aiman434 Anywhere if BTS is nominated, my vote is for them...... sorry for others .... 💜💜💜

@rafaelsmith5737

Жыл бұрын

@@aiman434 same

@jerry-db9vj

Жыл бұрын

@@haewonized no.. their music is not my type Sorry, you can leave now.

well said, it's now been 8 years since I've started listening to their music and nothing truly compares. I've been through so many genres of music, in so many completely different languages and from so many different artists but there is something very special about them and I always make my way back. It's truly fascinating how they managed to capture lighting in a bottle and then tame it. So many artists have a good song, a good album, a good era, etc but it's hard to find an artist who's entire discography is practically magic. Prior to finding BTS I rarely ever stuck with one artist or style for more than a couple months, let alone became obsessed enough to look into their activities outside of music and buy merch. If you had told teenage me that I would pay to watch a documentary about an artist on opening day in theaters I would've thought that you're crazy. There music truly speaks to the soul and I just hope that one day I'll get to see them in concert, although that dream seems a bit unreachable now.

No matter who you are, your skin colour, your gender identity if you make good music we'll support you - We ARMYs 💜✨

@WoNYOUngfallingoffaBigbIgStAGe

9 ай бұрын

Not all armys tho….

@thvsblanket

9 ай бұрын

​@@WoNYOUngfallingoffaBigbIgStAGeEvery single army is like this, why are kpop stans so hateful, have you watched this video? If not, then leave.

@Rahul-in6brcxs

9 ай бұрын

​@@thvsblanketThey hate other for no reason and you are telling They are supporting 😅

@The_unknow_Human

9 ай бұрын

@@Rahul-in6brcxs as a army i want to say that ever fandom does have toxic fans but not ever fan is like that same goes to blinks,stays,... and there are also Multi stands who stands more groups

@Rahul-in6brcxs

9 ай бұрын

@@The_unknow_Human every fandom has toxic fans but army and blink are just many

as a BTS stan who rarely listens to kpop and doesn't like being grouped with kpop stans I'm looking forward to this video!!! Edit 11:57 exactly my experience as a baby army. i was excited to look into other kpop groups too because i thought they would be as amazing as bts. but i was wrong ofc. nowadays i occasionally listen to a kpop song but i don't stan any groups other than bts.

@die444hobi

Жыл бұрын

ME TOOO

@octaviamarshall1266

Жыл бұрын

BTS IS KPOP

@hope3290

Жыл бұрын

@@octaviamarshall1266 If I don't listen to any rap but I like Nicki Minaj, does that make me a rap stan? You see how that logic falls apart once you apply it to other industries?

@koolvein_klein

Жыл бұрын

@@octaviamarshall1266 I can like taylor swift without liking pop then why not bts?

@jklg3998

Жыл бұрын

@@octaviamarshall1266BTS is more than Kpop I find it so disrespectful that y’all only reduce them to “Kpop”

I love you! You understands and portrays everything perfectly! Twitter armys were telling the same thing and they were called 'crazy and obsessed' by pur fandom itself. But you portrays the ideologies perfectly and puts them into words! ily. You're THEE army yt channel. Truly the boracity magazine of Armys who spills teas like the weverse!

I tried so hard to stan other groups but they just couldnt come even close to the way i love bts. It was exhausting for the other groups but not for bts. I still listen to kpop, enough to even want to go to concerts, but ive accepted i just cant be a stan of another kpop artist.

You are so right. I am that Army that you just described. The number one factor that made me an Army is that BTS are REAL artists and not puppets. Real artists for real people who cares about life and its journey.

@yaswanthvarma741

Жыл бұрын

BTS are biggest kpop act ❌ BTS are biggest pop act ✅

@ilikehatecommentsmorethann5825

Жыл бұрын

Same me too

@ilikehatecommentsmorethann5825

Жыл бұрын

@@EverRoxas here comes the multi or kpoppie

@yoonology

Жыл бұрын

@@EverRoxas they pretty much shadow the very minority in the kpop industry.

@shreshtha32

Жыл бұрын

​@@EverRoxas armys : praising bts in a bts related channel peacefully You, probably a multi or kpoppie : bTs iS nOt tHe oNlY oNe... like be serious, when someone says their parents are best does that mean other's parents are not best? obviously NO. Like a lil bit of common sense is needed, nothing else

What I also find a bit annoying from K-Pop fans/journalists is the whole idea that you have to either be a 'stan' or don't listen to a group/artist at all. There is no room for casual listening. Like you said, a lot if not the majority of ARMYs, DO listen to other Korean artists (including idol music), but we're just not a 'stan'. We just don't dedicate twitter accounts to those artists like we do with BTS, but that doesn't mean we don't enjoy them. Not everyone has to have a 'stanlist' of 35 artists, just be a casual listener

@Yor_han

Жыл бұрын

You know, some ARMYs say that having a stanlist with more than only BTS means you are not a 'true' ARMY It's kinda similar situations: both about staning and both kinda doesn't make sense

@MyrthexLatoya

Жыл бұрын

@@Yor_han I’ve not really heard any ARMY say this, but maybe that kind of rhetoric is just not in my ARMY circles. What I do see often however is kpop fans with a little bio on their platform that has every artist they are a ‘stan’ of in it, often very very long lists. I think it all comes down to how you define stanning, being a fan, being a casual listener, etc. And there seems to be a very big difference between how ARMY define that and how K-Pop fans and journalists define it. And this is where the friction comes in. K-Pop fans think once you listen to someone and like a couple of songs this makes you a fan or ‘stan’. ARMYs think you’re a casual listener in that case, and not a fan. So when you’re not 100% committed to BTS in streaming, voting, etc. you’re not really what many ARMY would consider a ‘stan’. And there is nothing wrong with that. But because K-Pop fans would consider themselves a fan even though they don’t vote or listen to an artist consistently, they get super offended when ARMYs don’t consider them a fan

@forg_tful.

Жыл бұрын

@@Yor_han that only applies to people (multis) who clearly disregard and throw bts and armys under the bus in favour of their other groups. it's a twitter thing some multis do. it's annoying.

I love the way you put things together about the power of BTS & ARMY being bigger than kpop💜

I am an American ARMY who loves BTS.I do like some Kpop songs but am not a fan of K pop in general.

One of the biggest impacts BTS has had on me is expanding my music taste and appreciation. Before, i only listened to the typical pop music on the radio and didn’t even bother to look into anything else. But after them, i started to like other genres such as rap, hip hop and ballads. The notion of a ‘genre’ became blurred and now i just love a song because i like it. Not because its a pop song with a catchy melody. But because i can appreciate more components of what makes it good. Either lyrics, vocals, the instrumental or the meaning for the artist.

@hqarmy231

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree with this was also the case with me!!

@zahrinalutfia8699

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree!

beautiful explanation. It is not a group project so why are we forced to listen to other artists? And with BTS announcing their solo projects, a lot of fandoms were like "now that BTS is gone, Army's will come flooding our fav" and I laughed so hard because from the outside they hate on Army's, and BTS, they throw racial slurs, xenophobic comments and just genuine hate for us, but the moment they heard about the "hiatus" (which was actually just them pausing OT7 projects for solo projects) they wanted Army's so badly to join that Fandom. They act like they hate us, but they're so envious of our loyalty, love and relationship with our boys. I listened to other kpop artists and their music is not meaningful at all, they create songs for tiktok and edits, nothing from their concepts, lyricism and creativity comes close to BTSs and that's why I love BTS. They tackle issues through their music, give comfort, speak about their struggles, the bond bts and Army share, and many more. You look at songs like converse high, and immediately thing it's about them hating converse, when it's not, or fake love, and think it's about love between your significant other whereas they talk about the fake love they have for their raw selves, how they wear masks to cover up their flaws, and only show the world what they desire to see within them, etc. BTS songs are really a great example of "don't judge a book by its cover" whereas in their case its "don't judge music by its artists ethnicity". BTS are not kpop, they are a genre itself because they don't only focus on one genre like hip hop, they do a plethora of it, mixing genres to find their taste. If you love and appreciate music and it's lyricism, BTS is definitely a must listen.

Thank you for this video! As ARMY who isn't really into kpop it is exactly how I feel about it

I am a kpop casual listener, and there was a time when I stop listening to that genre because i cant get accustomed with such mix match and high notes which kpop fans take a pride on their vocalist. It was around I Got A Boy was viral. But when it come to Bangtan, I can listen to their discography back to back, no skip, and dying to get the insitrumental version too because holly f it was dynamic, complicated, and an amazing sound humans ever produced. I have a massive love for Bangtan, still listen to kpop, liked some songs but never deeply care about anything else beside Bts.

As an ARMY who listens to KPOP quiet a lot: I first came for the music. So I thought I should be fair to the industry. So I did. Listened to Kpop from 1st gen to 4th gen and discovered many masterpieces. And among the ones I liked, few (countable) left a connection, but for the majority, they were bops. But I still thought it isn't fair to not go down the listener route of understanding the group and their efforts cause I didn't want to be ignorant of any aspects. So I did. But then I realised that a lot of it is dependent upon the fans. And the fans have given me so much pain and confusion. The disregard for BTS is so high that people shit talk you with no idea of your life and journey. Moreover none of them values an artistic journey. And so many among the 'ex army' who talk about the 'better era' talk with hatred. Which I fail to understand because a good artist is bound to go through the highs and lows. But they must keep experimenting despite that. Because otherwise their music becomes stale and repetitive. And even in the so called bad era, so many tracks have the exact aspects they want. But they no more listen (which is hundred % ok) but will still make some crooked explanation as to why they must still hate. And that's where the difference comes. Kpop doesn't care about artistry. Namjoon said 'the problem with kpop it doesn't allow you to grow' ie. *It expects you to be a machine that keeps running super fast until you inevitably die within few years. And kpop doesn't care about that death. Ok one group disbanded? So what there are 100 more left. Who is the next big band?* Thereby the attitude is never about the music. With BTS, purely based off of all the layers to their music (not including MV, Dance, Outfits or BU yet) has had the capability to induce emotion. Like the lyrical complexity of one out of plenty of songs like 'Ddaeng' to the complexity in musicality in 'Lie' explained by musicians as a purposefully change in minor to major to induce a painful and contradicting joy/euphoria when listening to it. This one aspect alone was capable of making me feel a exemplified personal connection with BTS. But then you include all the previous factors I neglected and then its complexity, it really healed me. It exists in Kpop. Many many artists who value that journey, and who value the artistic process. But get drenched under the everyday releases. I have huge respect for a lot of artists in kpop, and a decent amount of idols. I have also followed a patient and endearing journey with many. But unfortunately, I still can say *Because of the disregard I felt due to kpop, because they endlessly try to alienate me and my interest this group they hate, I have never fully been able to discover it with a mind of peace* Even naming BTS in kpop videos feels like am naming voldermort. Because I have had way too many experiences with just their mention (in the most appropriate and fitting place only and not anywhere and everywhere in an irritating way) and I still have been thrown hate over no valid reasons.

@kinetic3971

Жыл бұрын

There reason they throw hate is explained in the video. BTS is bigger than just kpop and for a lot of fans of the industry that makes them different than the rest and people don't like someone who stands out like a sore thumb. The playing fields isn't the same so to many it's not "fair". Their current favorite group should be getting attention as well.

@lealarsen2017

Жыл бұрын

so true.. kpop stans are the worst i am always nervous just looking at twitter. i hate when some other fandom try to brag about their stans achievements and say BTS is bad and what not. one thing is not liking the groups music witch is totally fine, but another is shitting on BTS and army for liking them. the only thing they learn from their groups are hate and jealousy. BTS teach us how to love ourself and overcome hardships in life and be a good human. and even if you dont believe in the BTS power, they should not undermining it impact BTS has on other people and wish BTS gone just because they want their stan to win an award. kpop stans ruin BTS reputation from outsiders who dont understand how it works. and that´s why army response negative to when the media compare BTS to other kpop groups for me BTS is the evolution of kpop but the kpop dont want to change. some has the memebers help writing music and even produce music. but if you are instructed in how to produce what the company wants you to sing then it´s not your own style and choice of music. when you write from the heart and make a song you really love. and see how fans also love it that will make you proud

@goodgirlgonebadfortxt2976

Жыл бұрын

fr!! i once saw this video about the creator showing the comparisons between 2 groups (i forgot which ones) and there was a moment that largely resembled a bts one. i saw someone bring it up in the comments. as i was about to respond “omg i was also thinking that!”, i saw hundreds of comments telling the op not to bring bts into everything it literally made no sense to me because if it was any other group, they wouldn’t have said anything i honestly don’t get the hate with bring bts into a situation that makes sense

@mirage541

Жыл бұрын

You really said everything that I wanted to say.

@mimitabiswas4534

Жыл бұрын

I just don't interact with fans of ANY KIND when it seems like they might be toxic. Especially that hell Twitter. Cuz fans are mostly blind teenagers, of any fandom, and they will make you feel like shit for just liking what you like. I'm a multistan with BTS as my ult and have both the fandoms not bashed me equivalently for being an ARMY and also a multi! Criticize any group and they'll be like 'Ofcourse you're an ARMY'. Defend other groups and explain to ARMYs that there are other people who are talented and that they shouldn't generalize kpop when they don't even know anything about kpop other than BTS, and then ARMYs would call me a fake ARMY and what not. At this point I only interact with my real life friends, thankfully most of them are kpop stans or ARMYs (more like I turned them into, the ones I turned into ARMYs are also multistan cuz they didn't have a fixed perception beforehand).

This whole video hit the nail. I already consider myself an old soul and only really listen to old R&B & Hiphop because today’s music just doesn’t do it for me but I got into BTS during the Dynamite era and when I dug deep into their discography I was pleasantly surprised because I’ve already heard so many negative things about kpop. I actually was very excited to try out other kpop artist after BTS but then was highly disappointed 😭. That’s when I knew I had to stan them because not only their content made me happy but I genuinely enjoyed their music and that’s hard to find in this day and age. I will say BTS has got me interested in listening to other music outside my language and I am now more open to other genres. I even enjoy a lot of of Kr&b & K-Indie artist now but that’s about it for me out of the Korean market.

This video is pure true, I occasionally listen to other kpop songs even before I knew BTS but they have magic, I don't even know how to explain it 🤣 their hard work inspired me, they are not pretending, they are who they are and never try to change that, loud, messy, honest and real, luckily their company never try to make them fit in.

In my music library, I always had every BTS album charecterized with all the songs and art and would listen and appreciate each one individually. I also had a playlist just called "k-pop" which was a mix of any other random k-pop songs from any other artists. For a while, I couldn't understand why I paid so much attention to BTS individually but couldn't really stay focused on any other groups or artists in K-Pop if BTS was also K-Pop. I guess in the back of my mind all of these notions of BTS being different were known to me, I just never put two and two together. This video made it so clear. I am a fan of BTS. I enjoy k-pop. I am not a fan of k-pop.

@monimuppet6132

Жыл бұрын

Spot on.

I became a kpop fan in late 2012 -- before BTS debuted -- when my high school daughter learned about k-dramas and kpop from classmates. I liked a lot of the music, even drove 6 hours to Chicago several times to take her to see B.A.P, ViXX and Block B concerts. I still listen to some of the early music that I discovered then -- EXO, Infinite, SHINee, Bigbang and others. But as I learned more and more about BTS, my focus shifted to them. First it was because of the lyrics and the stories of BTS Universe that were so complex and touching and beautiful. As time went on, and so much content was created by and about BTS, there wasn't enough time to digest all of it, let alone pay attention to other groups, lol! I can't get away from BTS because I'm so in love with their personalities, their inspiration, their thoughtfulness and intelligence, the love and acknowledgment they give back to us, EVERYTHING! No other group in my 64 years of listening to music has given me all that BTS has -- every day they inspire, uplift, teach me something new, give me energy, give me hope and joy and sunshine. Borahae, my friends! 💜💜💜

@jozefi68

Жыл бұрын

i started ...because of doughter with anime songs and then some japanes artists, than chinese and korean with movies and songs from series, BTS came thrue dance reactors, and music stuck...i wanted to know more, see more...i am 54 old...and yes they stay because of who they are, the BTS as whole💜

@xxheart_breakerxx8732

Жыл бұрын

Kinda similar to me. A friend from school showed me a lot of kpop videos around 2010-2012 and I kinda found it interesting, but didn't really found any group interesting until we found BTS

@wewereonlyseven9325

Жыл бұрын

I started because I needed SOMETHING my sister and I could bond over… 💜💜💜

Good thing you pointed out, kpop is an industry which is treated as a genre coz it's a big industry, much like Bollywood

My goodness, you explained this so brilliantly! Before finding BTS, I was mainly a heavy metal fan, but fell in love with BTS because of their music and especially their lyrics. I actually tried really hard to find other K-Pop groups that would capture me like BTS has, but nothing has come even remotely close.

@aeongies

Жыл бұрын

have you tried listening to dreamcatcher?

Your perspectives are so fresh and you expertly articulate your stances with evidence. I am grateful for this channel. It contributes to similar endeavors of BTS and BigHit by illuminating the unconscious limitations and boundaries set by a U.S.-centric music industry. Thank you - what a fabulous way to begin my weekend! borahae, boracity magazine!

@boracitymagazine

Жыл бұрын

thank you so much for the support!! i'm so glad you liked the video, your comments are always so insightful💜💜

It's annoying when other kpop fans provoke locals but we ARMYs get dragged for it- I don't like it when ARMYs get grouped with other kpop fandoms-

@rubylily3331

Жыл бұрын

and also when other groups get dragged for some reason kpopies always bring bts and army and try to shift the topic to bts and also sometimes kpopies blame armys without any reason without any proof like armys did that or this . They love to blame bts , armys and spread the agendas like armys are so toxic , they are close minded armys are evil etc.

@MakiMissRight

Жыл бұрын

@@rubylily3331 ikr

@generalesdeath8157

Жыл бұрын

Remeber that army WAS once a kpop fandom consisting of mainly 99% kpop fans. Before BTS blew up overseas. And they were toxic af, just like other kpop fandoms.Nowdays I barely see toxic armys, at least not on youtube (I quit using Twitter so idk the situation there)

@generalesdeath8157

Жыл бұрын

@@MakiMissRight The bigger a fandom is the more toxic people there is. If let's say 1% of a fandom are toxic that's still a huge number of people from a fandom that's big. Most kpop fandoms have toxic fans and in general kpop fans are too sensitive and take everything minor as an attack on their fandom or their favs. It's tiering honestly. Breathe slowly, armys are big fandom, BTS are huge group. You don't need to rush out at me like a rabid dog thinking I'm attacking you now. That just shows weird insecurity Are you a fan just for the music or to be a part of a "side". "We against them " mentality? You'll grow out of it soon. Hopefully.

@MakiMissRight

Жыл бұрын

@@generalesdeath8157 ain't no one reading that essay. By your logic though army is the biggest fandom, blinks is counted as the most toxic, the number of fans doesn't increase the toxicity.

Ive been an ARMY for years and only came to know why i dont like kpop in general and just BTS, i used to try and like other groups' songs but just couldnt bring myself to do so but now i get it.

@Kalakeiko

8 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity, even the groups that also write, compose and produce their own music and have creative freedom?

@Minguggie_14

8 ай бұрын

@@Kalakeiko huh?

@Minguggie_14

8 ай бұрын

@@Kalakeiko if ur thinking that I'm hating others songs than no that's not it, I just DISLIKE some songs because they're not my taste but there r a lot of of kpop songs of different groups which I like. Also, disliking a song is normal and acceptable as long as it's not HATING the idols or their songs

@Minguggie_14

8 ай бұрын

@@Kalakeiko I genuinely respect all idols for their hard work, so yh

Armies give other groups a chance but bts have set the standards to high and seeing other fandoms hate on them hurt us because all the kpop fans are United when it comes to hating bts

This was definitely an interesting video. I'm a kpop stan, but not a BTS stan myself although I do enjoy some of their songs. Something interesting I thought of while watching is how integral writing and producing their own music seems to have for many fans. I wonder if the expansion of idols who do produce and write their own songs (ex: 3racha, Soyeon, and many more) is due to BTS's crazy success. Perhaps it played a part in companies wanting their own artists to pursue those avenues in the hope to reach a similar level to BTS? Idk. Just a thought that occurred.

@ilikehatecommentsmorethann5825

Жыл бұрын

Watch trend that BTS has created from the same channel Watch BTS ARMY Documentary You never walk alone part 1 and 2 Read the lyrics of BTS songs paradise, Epiphany, love myself, nevermind, mikrokosmos etc And watch The rise of bangtan docu-series chapter 1-21

@mrigamonmrigamon2615

Жыл бұрын

Well, in my opinion- no. Tbh self-prouducing was already a thing in the kpop industry. Many groups from 2nd gen was _already_ producing their songs, including successful groups like SNSD, SuJu,. B.A.P, Bigbang etc. The difference is that, it WASN'T their *main* "meta-point". Like SuJu is known as the legendary grp with many accolades, but how many people know(or even care) that they had produced a lot of their songs?? None. The thing about BTS is that, they were the first ones(or one of the very first ones) who TRULY EMPHASIZED on the importance of self-prouducing. They went against the general principle of the industry, which treated self-prouducing as an add-on, not a main charm and told us that it WAS an important aspect of artistry afterall. Apart form BTS, only SVT were a grp that truly *boasted of* their producing skills(even earning the title of self-prouducing idols), but even that was kinda unintentional. Which means, they did produce and took pride in it, but didn't think of turning it into a marketting strategy. BTS were the only one that did, and that's what set them apart from the rest of k-pop grps.

@jamais_vu3

Жыл бұрын

@@mrigamonmrigamon2615 "boasted" "marketing strategy" lol

@mrigamonmrigamon2615

Жыл бұрын

@@jamais_vu3 ???????

@s_p5321

Жыл бұрын

Actually writing and producing songs is great for any artists and it's admirable , but the message the songs deliver , or the way it deliver is what makes someone a real producer in the end , so ... just writing and being producer alone won't make any difference if what you produce isn't really reaching the depths of the audiences heart.

I was into rock, punk, funk, classical, global folk music, and sporadic songs of other genres, until I met BTS during their HYYH era, when I was 45. I was blown away by what I missed having no idea of kpop's existence until then and the first thing I did was to search for other kpop acts. And it was disappointment after disappointment after disappointment. As an army, I watch all the k-award shows where kpop presents its best products each year. And they range from forgettable to unbearable for my ears. All these years, the only songs I enjoyed while waiting for BTS to take the stage are 2 by mamamoo, 1 by super junior, 1 by got7, 1 by dreamcatcher, 1 by jessi - plus some trot, rock and ballads that aren't kpop anyway.

@timefortakeoff1447

Жыл бұрын

Oooo nice I'm a pop punk and rock fan too. Have you heard txt's loser lover and lovesong? It was what got me into kpop

@alexinfired7109

Жыл бұрын

I did. Good songs - esp. the 2nd that credits RM too. ;) But I found out that my taste is more with Pdogg's & BTS' style.

@moonchild.99_

Жыл бұрын

@@alexinfired7109 same, they are something else 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️

@allivega

Жыл бұрын

same!! i got introduced during the HYYH era, and i was blown away by that album, i tried looking for more music like this album but no one did come close. No one does it like BTS ever since their debut.

@forfun2777

Жыл бұрын

Give big bang a try. Aside from gangnam style, they introduced me to kpop as a whole. Your taste for BTS might reign though but still lol

K pop's priority is NOT music...That is what I always thought about the kpop industry. Other Kpop acts feel very manufactured. That's why it's so hard to latch on to some acts. Their music is so empty...

NO soy joven,tengo 43 años y llevo escuchando K-pop más de diez años, mi primer grupo fue Super Junior. Siempre fui oyente casual,nunca fui tan apegada o tan fanática de un idol.Fue a fines de 2020 que conocí a BTS con Dynamite,y me gustó. No los conocía, y fue que a principios de 2021 empecé a investigarlos y escuchar que tipo de música hacían ..y fue entonces que poco a poco ME ENAMORÉ DE SU MUSICA, ME SENTÍ IDENTIFICADA con las letras de sus canciones, y muchas veces al escucharlas derramaba lágrimas...me emocionaba muchísimo!! Yo no sabia la traducción de sus canciones..LA MUSICA DE BTS TIENE UNA MAGIA Y ENCANTO QUE ME SACA DE ESTE MUNDO, ME HACE FELIZ, ME CONSUELA,ELEVA MI ESPÍRITU Y TOCA LAS FIBRAS DE MI SER. Quizás se burlen de mi, pero,esos SON MIS SENTIMIENTOS HACIA BTS.LOS AMO Y SOY MUY FELIZ DE SER ARMY Y HABERLOS CONOCIDO. ARMY FOREVER 💜

Here’s another point: I’m a fan of BTS because I love the music, but another reason is because I care about the members. They’ve done such a good job of giving ARMY reasons to know and love them. Their VLives, interviews, and shows like Run BTS helps me know about their personalities, interests, etc. I’ve invested a lot of time learning about these guys and I can’t imagine investing that same amount of time getting to know the members of another K-pop group. It’s not that I don’t think there are wonderful people in other groups, but their music has failed to “hook” me the way that BTS’s has, so I have no motivation to fall down that rabbit hole. (Plus, I’m not rich enough to be a fan of more than one group…K-pop merch is expensive 👀) Before BTS, I mostly listened to indie and alt. rock. My music taste has evolved since then, and I will listen to other K-pop songs. I just don’t care as much about other groups; they haven’t captivated me the way BTS has, and I think that’s okay. Not everyone has to be a K-pop fan. 🤷🏽‍♀️

I’ve always felt alienated by popular music regardless of whether it was western, kpop, or American country music because many people do NOT make their music asexual, aromantic or autistic friendly. For a while the only bands I didn’t feel alienated by were rock bands, metal bands and alternative/punk music. Then BTS came along, and not only did they have very sensory friendly music (most if not all their songs have a very gentle background and even those that are fast paced give you a lot of breaks in between verses to collect yourself), but they also cover a variety of topics and human emotions and do it WELL. I’ve never liked positivity anthems because they were super vague and make it feel like you were at fault for not being happy, but BTS’s love yourself series not only show that it’s okay to stumble while trying to love yourself, they also did it with a message about how we’re losing ourselves because society keeps telling us that a romantic relationship is everyone’s end goal when no, it really isn’t, and there are other types of loves and goals out there (like self love). That was what I really appreciated as an aro-ace person, something that validated my existence (which I still absolutely can’t find these days) And even with their solo works, they’re still making varied content, still making sensory friendly music, not meandering around with their lyrics and messages, have love songs that are actually about different types and not just about romantic love, and are straightforward and direct. And that’s what makes them so great. I am never leaving.

@nacmegfeegle2310

Жыл бұрын

VERY well said.

@Da_NG

Жыл бұрын

I just want to say that you are so right (about the asexual and aromantic aspect) I remember trying to share a BTS song with one of my sisters and all she kept saying is that it was another love song. I tried to explain that it wasn’t and that it was actually aromantic and how it was beautiful. I really tried to make her see that BTS’s lyricism goes beyond what it seems in the surface. I eventually gave up trying to show her BTS songs because she told me that she didn’t care the messages of the songs she only liked songs to dance that she did not enjoy just listening to songs the only songs she enjoyed were the songs she could dance to with a good beat. So I try to change my perspective and try to show her BTS songs that have good beats to dance to. I try to show her the song far away by Agust D and people by August D, also love myself answer, magic shop, and Epiphany. Her response was very unexpected she told me “I don’t get why teenagers these days like dumb music that talk about dy*ng and feeling very sad. It’s stup*d it’s just damaging your brain. But you can listen to what ever you want, but I don’t get why people would want to listen to that. These days young people are so emotional they are not prepared for real life and they are so whiny. She also told me that in her days she liked a band that was called “Rebelde RBD”(a spanish speaking band of boys and girls). But that I take it too far with BTS. That I am obsessed and that I should live life and not only see them through screens. That I should go out and party and make friends and that I am wasting my life listening to BTS. Of course I didn’t take what she said to heart even if it did hurt my feelings in someway. I still love her obviously she’s my sister she will be there for me when I fall she will help me pick myself up. But I don’t agree with her, all the things she said are so wrong in so many different ways. Now I have officially given up on persuading her because I’ve realized she will never understand and I have tried for so long on so many different subjects but she always thinks she knows more because she’s older she always tells me “El diablo sabe mas por viejo que por diablo” = “The devil knows more for being old rather than for being the devil” BTS lyricism saved me, it made me rethink a decision that would 끝 my life. It made me realize that I wanted to be a part of this family called army for the rest of my life to share each other’s happiness and support each other in hard times and that there will always be a spring day waiting and that we’re never walking alone and that it is OK to be sad to be angry to be happy and most of all that it is OK to show it. Of course nobody knows this, nobody knows that they are the reason I can smell the flowers or that I can see the snow or that I can feel pain when I fall of my bicycle or that I can be screaming at the TV because BTS won the award they were nominated for, or that I can “waste” my time listening to BTS songs. And they will never know because they will never understand and I’m OK with that I’ve learned to live with all these scars because of BTS and I am proud of being an army I am proud that I can share such delicate experiences with this family and That I can be confident that nobody will judge me but you my family can uplift me. -I Love you all thanks for listening to my ranting goodbye have a great day 💜

@rhythmelia

Жыл бұрын

Well said! Ahh it's such a mood, I'm probably looking in the wrong places but so many mainstream songs of many genres are focused on romantic love, and that so many Bangtan songs /aren't/ when I explored the lyrics was such a breath of fresh air for me, and really drew me in.

@bruhyo9745

Жыл бұрын

I love every single one of you and you're not aloneeee.. 💜 we're all in this together.

@oof1682

Жыл бұрын

Romance is such an overrated trope in mainstream music and I’m not even asexual😩

saw this video recommended all over twitter and it was so concise and down to the point and reflective of my own experience that I am in awe. thank you!

Some of the comments here are a little wierd… just because you dont like other kpop groups doesn’t mean they’re bad… just because it doesnt hit for you doesn’t mean it wouldn’t for anyone else. I do understand if you only like BTS’s music and don’t vibe with other groups but that doesn’t make it ‘only visual and dancing focused’. Not everyone’s taste is the same.

@explore.express.love.3483

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree. But I wish kpop stans didn't make it seem like ARMY listen to bts because are in someway at delusion and forbid ourselves from others. I feel like the first excuse is, 'yall think only bts writes their own lyrics or only bts does this' etc. We know others do. It's just that bts's artistic progression hits closer than others because they undoubtedly have many anomalies compared to most of kpop. A lot being the artistic freedom bts worked hard to get in the industry. Most kpop groups don't get that because of their pre-established companies. In no way does any of it mean other kpop groups are bad or lack soul.

@mediverge

Жыл бұрын

@@explore.express.love.3483 !!!!

@Nikita-

Жыл бұрын

@@explore.express.love.3483 Ah true

@joonsBonsaiFairy

Жыл бұрын

@@explore.express.love.3483 SLAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYED

@bee-hx2di

Жыл бұрын

@@explore.express.love.3483 "It's just that bts's artistic progression hits closer than others because they undoubtedly have many anomalies compared to most of kpop." that's just a personal preference. kpop groups are diverse and some groups may hit harder than bts for some people because that's their taste. no need to diminish the individuality that other groups have too 👍

Very well said! I was never into K-pop. I am considered a new ARMY (I became one after I saw their Dynamite performance at the Grammy’s in early 2021). Their showmanship is superb and I got hooked right away. I did an extensive research on BTS and listened to other songs that made me wonder why I haven’t known about them. I also love the fact that they’re really humble and down to earth. I have never seen any other artists or celebrities pour their love into their fanbase like BTS does.

Thank you so much for saying this for most of us! Growing up loving metal and rap, never thought i would enjoy BTS. I tried to give a chance to kpop, but nothing really got my attention and i got bored after listening to some catchy songs 2-3 times. I've always loved strong lyricism and BTS gave me exactly what i want in music. I really wished everyone would be open-minded and give them a chance. Their discography is so huge that they might find at least a song they like. Thank you BTS for your dedication and the passion you put into your music and performances. Thank you for coming into music industry and raising the standards 💜

I kinda get now why i don’t love a lot of k-pop songs, I’m usually someone who loves to read the lyrics of songs and love when the lyrics has a meaning I can relate to and I found that BTS’s songs has the most relatable messages and that’s why I became Army. Sure I can enjoy songs when they’re catchy and fun but when there’s no meaningful massage behind it it won’t stick for a long time.

Im not into kpop. But i am into BTS. I like their music.

@Kalakeiko

Жыл бұрын

I personally like many Kpop groups as a music lover of pretty much every genre, but I respect your opinion. What is your prefered genre or music? (curious) My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee, BTOB and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS. My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV (and all of NCT), Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now, especially TXT since their music and lyrics resonates a lot with me.

@BabesTeng

Жыл бұрын

@@Kalakeiko mostly new wave of the 80s, beatles, beegees, 70s-80s ballads like carpenters. Am not into music i cant sing along. But there is something abt bts’ sound that i like. I came to like them when i accidentally heard black swan when they performed it on jimmy fallon. From then on, i started searching about them on you tube. That is when i started liking them.

When BTS won BBMAs and placed themselves in hot 100 chart for the first time, that's when I knew they were really blowing up in music industry and I wasn't a fan of BTS or kpop at the time ! It happened slowly as I got to know them and what they stand for, I tried to check out other kpop idols but I found myself coming back to BTS ! I really liked how kpop MVs had huge production and attractive visuals but with BTS it's beyond that and that's why I am still here !

hip hop fan turned BTS fan here. This channel is absolutely amazing, thank you for your work!

@CYNA187

Жыл бұрын

Hands up for hip hop fans turned bts fan

Thank u Boracity, aI have been saying to myself this... If I have to explain someone else BTS, my body is not able to say they are K-Pop, instead I would use, they are Korean artists. As always you are very smart and wise.

@Kalakeiko

8 ай бұрын

Tbh they can be both and there is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I personally see them as both a Kpop group and global artists.

One more thing, if some people say that the other groups are totally commercial, it's because they know absolutely NOTHING about Kpop.

This was a great video. As a 48 year old American who discovered BTS a year ago, I realize that it really is the music that made me a fan of BTS. The music is intelligent, thoughtful, and varied unlike much of the garbage that passes for music on my local radio. I have tried branching out listening and watching videos of other K-pop groups, but haven't found any other group whose music hits me the same way. I like a handful of songs by a few other K-pop groups or artists so far, but that's it. From your video, I realized that the reason is that K-pop is an industry that is not about the music, but about the visuals. It now makes so much sense. Thank you.

I first found BTS at the start of 2020 and immediately fell down the rabbit hole Throughout the rest of 2020, I watched all the korean award shows and learned about the other major groups and thought that maybe I had found my ultimate Boyband Heaven! As someone coming fresh in to kpop, I didn't have any bias about following different groups and was happy to give everyone a try. But as time has gone on, and as I've seen more Comeback Cycles, I've realised that all of it is recycled. It's like cotton candy. Initially visually alluring, sweet for a second and then leaves you with nothing. It was fun for a year when it was all new to me, but now it's just kind of soulless and repetitive. I still have fondness for the personalities/boys in some of the groups, and some people (like Taemin for example) are very special artists, who I hope get more recognition. But my interest in kpop as an industry is pretty much dead. The wave washed over me and has already peaked. BTS's catalogue, and quality is ever evolving, and their lightning-in-a-bottle dynamics are why they are the biggest group in the world. It can't be replicated or compared. I don't blame fellow Armys at all for skipping the candy and just eating the delicious meal, in fact, I'd recommend it.

That's so true. For most k-pop groups i like i HAVE to engage with the whole package to enjoy (meaning not only the song but the visuals) BUT for BTS (and only a few other k-pop acts, like Mamamoo for example) the song itself contains great meaning already so if i don't want to engage with the visual part, it's ok! Anyway, such a great video. You have the best army analysis channel 💜

The fact that I'm an army and totally understand everything you said cuz this happens. BTS are artists in true sense and that is exactly why they are so loved all over. They are not just pretty boys in trend setting clothes who follow a good dance routine without paying attention to the quality of music. Thye've established themselves are artists n that is all we want. Quality music. BTS will forever rule as long as they stay true to their cause n their passion.

i can relate. never heard of kpop until i stumbled upon bts on youtube. once i became fascinated i checked out other kpop groups thinking i'd find another favourite group. i was sadly mistaken. i admire kpop groups hard work and efforts and even talents but almost every song was just pure meaningless noise. i honestly dont even have a second favourite kpop group. on the other hand i have an entire playlist of other non kpop korean artists that i've started listening to. and were it not for bts, i would have never discovered these other korean musicians. one thing i wish she clarified is at 7:20 when she said it wasn't a thing in kpop to write ur own music. i think it did exist but wasn't as prevalent as it is within other types of korean music. cause didn't g-dragon write music? he's the only one i'm aware of but there might have been others.

@boracitymagazine

Жыл бұрын

i should have clarified😭 what i meant at 7:20 was that being a songwriter was not a thing kpop fans paid attention to. it was only after bts that i saw people talking about a "composer line" or "the songwriter of the group" when they didn't care about it before

@shorouk1172

Жыл бұрын

yes I wanted to say the same at 7:20 but I loved this video. Great job.

@led_by_pied_pipers1530

Жыл бұрын

@@boracitymagazine thanx for clarifying. i've watched all of ur previous videos and have always admired the amount of research that goes into it. it can't be easy but i know u do ur best to be as accurate as possible. i respect that and as always, u've created another great and insightful video. you nice, keep going 💜

@z.z.4752

Жыл бұрын

He did - but I’ve mentioned this before, even if they did write their own music it was still “playing it safe” and the lyrics were very amatonormative. For Asian aroaces who grew up with that, like me…it still did not have the impact that BTS did because they would write about varied human feelings that were a relief amongst all the pushing of romance down our throats.

@serotoninis9084

Жыл бұрын

@@z.z.4752 your comment was so insightful, Z.Z. i actually did not think of that perspective before, and now i can put a reason as to why i like bts exceptionally. don't get me wrong, i'll always respect artists other than bts who participate in their music, but at the end of the day, those musicians are different if they do. they have their own growth, history, story, and rise which is eventually portrayed in their music however they feel. if their music is then about those topics, just because they participate in their art, it doesn't mean all their messages will reach out to a person. but bts' music does resonate with me and many others.

No pierdas tu esencia Army. Sigue apoyando a los chicos porfavor.

While I agree with some of these points, it also makes me uncomfortable to disregard the work other groups have done, particularly the ones who are actually self-made and produce/compose their own music like BTS. I don't know, it's really hard, for me at least, as I really love a lot of groups, including BTS (literally one of my 3 ult groups) and because I know a lot about so many, I know the backstories for most of them and I know how hard they've worked and how committed most of them are to their music. So, yeah, it's just hard for me to fully agree with all of these, especially considering some of the points aren't accurate and are kinda overgeneralising. I don't know, you don't have to agree with me or anything, I'm just kind of thinking out loud. I'm still sort of formulating my opinion and organising my thoughts because I'm just so torn. Anyways.

@carasss7775

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I had similar thoughts and commented. She makes some good points about the Kpop idol industry. and Music isn't really a primary focus. The visual packaging and merchandising is. But this tends to broadly insult all other idol groups.

@bonniepedersen4688

Жыл бұрын

@@carasss7775 Mmm, that was one of the points I half-agreed with because while this is partly true, it's a massive overgeneralisation and yeah, kinda insulting to other groups when they do work hard on their music too, whether that be recording alone or being fully involved in the process. Idk, it's true but also off if that makes sense 😅 I have so many thoughts on this but its hard to formulate it coherently and accurately lol

@monimuppet6132

Жыл бұрын

You can take it as an insult or you can realize that a handful of exceptions in the Idol industry are never going to be enough to change the overall image and perception. It is still true that the main focus of the Industry isn't music even though music IS the focus for some individuals and groups within it. Right now it seems many companies are using their more self-made and music writing Idols as experiments. They let one group have more artistic freedom but still go the standard production route with the others. The standard is their bread and butter after all. The video is only trying to explain the 'why' behind BTS gaining the audience it has but not the Idol industry itself. There is obviously an audience for what the Idol Industry does. That full package it presents takes time, money, and effort from all parties and it attracts hoards of fans. At the same time, if an Idol company or the Industry seeks a status in the global entertainment market that is different from what they have now, music will need to become the main focus of the whole industry, not just a handful of groups. The vid isn't trying to dismiss those groups, but them being exceptions in the Idol industry will cause their uniqueness to be often overlooked by the passerby.

@carasss7775

Жыл бұрын

@@monimuppet6132 Your points are better stated than what I took from some parts of this video. Seventeen is often shown as examples of a group that does not have artistic direction, growth, writing, producing like BTS. BUT they are one of the most self-produced group 'experiments' that you mentioned among idols. Big Hit has always had head producer PDogg and Bang PD in the beginning who really wrote and did the majority of producing on BTS songs, or at least 100 controlled the finishing stages. I think Seventeen's Pledis company was even smaller, poorer and perhaps did not have major producers on staff so they let 17 basically do most everything themselves in the beginning, including group choreography along with writing and actual producing, mixing etc. I like the 'sound' of 17 songs, but technically I don't look up their lyrics so I don't know how 'deep' their songwriting is compared to BTS.They do on surface sound lighter, more Kpop traditional upbeat songs.

@natalib3972

Жыл бұрын

Army, please vote for bts on MAMA2022!!! And we are constantly in second place!!! In the next years 2-3 bts are unlikely to receive awards, so let’s try and give them a win!! Link in the description of my channel!

At the end of the day, it is much better to say that BTS is not limited to Kpop. Separating the boys completely to Kpop is absurd. We are winning and taking Kpop awards left and right and bragging about "first Kpop act" titles and records. It's confusing and a little hypocritical to sweep the Kpop tag under the rag when clearly, BTS was part of that industry since day one. Yes, BTS has become bigger than Kpop. They have elevated their music that's why our boys have become the biggest group in the planet but no matter how you detach them, Kpop will always be part of them because they still belonged in the industry.

@thetunafromsupertuna2169

Жыл бұрын

i really don't understand why you would want them to always be associated with that industry when it so obviously takes all the credit away from them every time. the same industry that has sabotaged and used their names to further their own agenda countless of times. have you forgotten why their name was even dragged into the enlistment issue? bc other kpop entertainment companies brought it up. remember the vendetta mbc has with them after they were the one who insulted them by not giving them the last stage during the 2018 year end music festival? the defaming articles. the lack of acknowledgement for their achievements by the korean media. the exaggeration of the achievements of other groups in articles so obviously paid for by their companies. the continuous struggle to find the next BTS when they are still very much active and still have so much to achieve. using their name in articles about other groups. there was a time when every article about bts mentioned the entirety of kpop. like could you imagine journalists mentioning other female pop stars while writing an article about Taylor swift?? that kpop tag has always been disadvantageous to them. the association has helped the kpop industry a lot but it has done nothing for bts. so i don't think we're in the wrong to not want them to be associated with "kpop"

@skzpinklover9277

Жыл бұрын

@@thetunafromsupertuna2169 so you would rather them be associated with the american industry? the one that shows them blatant racism and xenophobia? why value the american industry more when if anything, that industry has been worse towards them than the korean one?

@thetunafromsupertuna2169

Жыл бұрын

@@skzpinklover9277 where did i say that? bts are their own thing. they don't need to be associated with any industry in order to thrive. don't try and twist my words based on your assumption that they just have to be associated with a specific industry or that they need a label to carry them forward. they don't. both industry's are trash but the kpop one is even worse bc they were supposed to be bangtan's own people and yet the tannies were constantly undermined and insulted by them.

@skzpinklover9277

Жыл бұрын

@@thetunafromsupertuna2169 i wasn’t trying to twist your words i just didn’t understand what you were trying to say bc if they shouldn’t be associated with the korean industry then which one would you rather them be associated with? whether you like it or not they’ll always be associated with an industry

@monimuppet6132

Жыл бұрын

@the tuna from super tuna What "we" want is irrelevant. Only BTS has the power to actually disassociate themselves from kpop, and they haven't. Everything else is just a bunch of talk.

you said everything perfectly !!! this made me feel so validated. twitter tries to get army to "stan" other groups and makes us feel guilty for not doing so. it's ridiculous.

This video articulated so my thoughts and feelings that I’ve always had trouble pinning down myself! Yes I love Korean film, dramas, music etc, but it’s not just because it’s Korean, but because I love specific titles and artists from those media. I love BTS but when I try to explain to others why, I feel like a bit of a pretentious git when I try to say ‘they are not just K Pop.’ I completely agree that a BTS fan loves them first and foremost for their music, and I would add their lyrics and messages in the music , which is so profound. Their looks and concepts are additional but not conditional. So much of Kpop is pretty soulless and especially with today where there is so much falseness everywhere, maybe artists like BTS do offer that escape and place to feel more hopeful and seen. I’m waffling. I’ve got so many thoughts on this! Thanks so much, great video ☺️💜