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@mattthesilent777RED

3 ай бұрын

Harbo, wake up to reality, this is bad! Doctor Who's been ruined for 7 years by ALL the showrunners of the modern day, we must purge this show of its non-canon episodes and characters

@user-tc9vn3ov2u

3 ай бұрын

You deserve so many more .

@davidaston5773

3 ай бұрын

Doctor who isn't stuck in the past.... apart from having Tennant, Catherine Tate, RTD, Bonnie Lanford and the Moff back.... And, fans aren't hypocrites.... apart from how they hated on the Moff and yet now, are gushing over him coming back? And I'm sure there's plenty of fans who bitched about Jodie (justified or not) who will gush over her if she returns. My point is: we're all both right and wrong as fans. But, let's face it: this is better than another sodding SEVENTEEN YEARS OF NO DOCTOR WHO.

@mattthesilent777RED

3 ай бұрын

@@davidaston5773 Jodie shouldn't ever return, plus I'd rather no Doctor Who than Jodie, Tennant 2 or Gatwa

@davidaston5773

3 ай бұрын

Well, then@@mattthesilent777REDstop watching ANY Doctor Who. Any era. Any Doctor. ANY AT ALL. You'll get your wish.

All praise the moff Edit: can’t wait for Moffat to be show runner again in 4 seasons time

@littleredruri

3 ай бұрын

god please no

@Splatinum69

3 ай бұрын

I really hope so

@NicoleM_radiantbaby

3 ай бұрын

YESSS! 🤞🤞

@pipsdontlie3031

3 ай бұрын

God yes

@LeviPennington-vv2kq

3 ай бұрын

Yes!!

Doctor Who fandom: Moffat was at its best under RTD. Also Doctor Who fandom: *votes a couple of his Capaldi stories as the best ever*

@KYCDK

3 ай бұрын

well thats because moffat is shit at world building, creating companions, and overarching series narratives

@dickottel

3 ай бұрын

he had good moments as a showrunner but it doesn't mean the whole showrunning was good for DW. He makes good single episodes. Also Capaldi is the best so he made those episodes great 😅

@corrinflakes9659

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@KYCDK worldbuilding I think he is okay at. I understand on companions, even if the actors of those companions are still good, the script isn’t great there.

@jeckjeck3119

3 ай бұрын

Capaldi's back was in pain, he had to carry the show.

@tom_4615

3 ай бұрын

I mean yeah he absolutely WENT OFF for the series 9 and 10 finales but his overall series narratives weren’t always the best, so rtds brilliant arcs paired with the moffs brilliant one off stories is just the perfect combination

While I acknowledge his shortcomings, Moffat is still my favourite of the showrunners (Davies an imperceptibly close second), so for me, his return is honestly probably the best bit of news I've heard about Series 14! Thoroughly thrilled to bits! 😊❤

I always loved the Moff, never had a problem him. so yay

@ftumschk

3 ай бұрын

Same here. In fact, I preferred his era to RTD's... not that I didn't like the latter.

I’m so excited for his return. Moffat is my favourite doctor who writer. He’s written all my favourite stories, especially for Capaldi’s doctor.💕

Proves how little time I spend on the internet listening to other people’s opinions because I’ve absolutely been obsessed with Moffat since day 1. Never had any issues with any of his writing. I’ve got plenty of issues with RTD writing though. To me Moffat was way more interesting

He transcends and is immeasurably far beyond good or bad, in the end he is just moffat. And he's what we need.

@tobylerone4285

3 ай бұрын

Beautifully put

@Comicbroe405

3 ай бұрын

Based.

As long as nobody lets chibnall write again, I am fine with anything and anyone returning. Also because I love the idea of most of Moffats stories, just not some of their execution.

I wanna see Charlie Brooker write a story, I think that would be amazing

@FahadAyaz

3 ай бұрын

Who's Charlie Brooker?

@greyhound1758

3 ай бұрын

@@FahadAyaz He writes Black Mirror

@johnlochness

3 ай бұрын

Omg yes. I’d like to see Neil Gaiman back too, despite nightmare in silver.

Harbo: Why RTD's Return is Bad for Doctor Who Also Harbo: Why Moffat's Return is Great for Doctor Who

@patrickginart1780

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I love Harbo but I feel like he's really splitting hairs here a little on why one is bad and one is good lol

@Kunfuxu

3 ай бұрын

Based

@tasha7726

3 ай бұрын

Moffat writing episodes with RTD reigning his worst excesses in? Sign me up,

@jeckjeck3119

3 ай бұрын

@@tasha7726 My thoughts exactly, Moffat needs someone to rein him in from time to time.

RTD + Moffat working together gives us great episodes.

moffat era is my fav and my introduction to doctor who so i feel very happy about his return and also his episodes in seasons 1:4 were always one of the best

Im happy to see moff as he's my favourite writer of the show, but I am concerned seeing how much of this series is just russel. Honestly I'm hoping for a way more diverse writing room next series but if the old writers wanna come back for an occasional story idm, id love to swe gaiman given another chance considering budget issues were always an issue in his stories production

@dylanburton4955

3 ай бұрын

He wrote a lot of series 1 episodes before writing less in series 2 in his first era so he may do a similar thing 😊

For me, I just hope that Russell takes the chance to cultivate a set of new writers that can take over. They won’t live forever!

I just think it's funny that fans act like RTD hates Moffat, I remember in the late 2010s where every word RTD said about Doctor Who was twisted into a coded insult towards Moffat. In reality they are good friends and The Husbands of River Song was literally a Christmas gift from Moffat to Russell.

i definitely wish there were more new names writing stories but i'm so excited moffat is back! He really improved with every season during his run (series 9 and 10 were my favorites) and i hope he's honed that all into a great story! right now the list of writers looks like its mostly rtd, so moffat writing one single story isnt a problem lol

He has 5 whole episodes in the DWM episode rankings. Somebody’s lying about disliking Moffat 😂

Moffat's era is my (and my families) favourite era of the show, 11 is my wife's favourite and 12 is mine and my daughter's favourite and, as said in the video, he wrote some absolute bangers before his era too!

Can I say both? On the one hand, having the Grand Moff back is the best news I've heard out of DW since "Twice Upon a Time" ended. But it honestly worries me that they're feeding the nostalgia bait and trying to have it be Series 1 to 4 again.

@vullord666

3 ай бұрын

This has been my biggest worry ever since the three specials. Modern who has this great formula built up of allowing itself to be perceptive and change and new ideas. Every actor had a tenure of 3 series (except 9 unfortunately) and showrunner two doctors. And RTD to Moffat set this up greatly. Both were so different and appealed to and angered different fans. It kept doctor feeling fresh and like a show that could do anything. In comparison I've HATED all these insistent reboots and remakes and whatnot coming from the same batch of writers (or what feels like them) because production companies are too afraid to make any risks. I was (well still am) feeling weird that Doctor Who basically just fell into the same trap because Chibnall took that risk taking and freedom DW had too far. It's the fact that David Tennant LED the 60th anniversary. Not Jodie or Ncuti. And that will never fully sit right with me. I've just accepted the situation and am hopeful that while, Moffat and RTD are both nostalgia baits, their writing won't be. I hope that while it might feel familiar (and it has felt so familiar and that was one of my biggest problems with the special), they'll take risks with new ideas and be the creative DW deserves. And granted while Chibnall was a new writer, none of what he did actually felt creative or risk taking. In fact he even backtracked his own timeless child mess the same episode it was revealed (saying it doesn't matter and lampshading it). Somehow RTD has made more mention of the trauma that reveal would cause than Chibnall (granted I stopped watching after the series 12 finale so maybe I'm wrong). That's what I'm hopeful for.

I love Steven Moffatt I grew up watching his stories especially the Matt Smith era stories ,But my personal opinion on where he peaked was during Peter Capaldi's era

All of mainstream criticism of Moffat as a showrunner comes down to Series 6 and 7. People seem to forget that seires 8, 9 and 10 have much lower scope series archs that move away from the convoluted plots of Moffat1 and also from the finale powerscaling of Russell1

Nobody else noticing that history us repeating itself and nuwho is pretty much at that point where old who was dropping off and getting binned, wouldnt be a surprise if doctor who gets cancelled altogether in the next few years only for it to have a revival 20 years later

I was a teen when Moffat was show runner and i always loved him. And when i was a kid he scared the shit out of me, vashdanarada and original angels were terrifying

I am so hype for another moffat episode. Can't wait to see what he does with 15 and Ruby

5:02 Yeah, it's thanks to that two-parter if the Twelfth Doctor became my favourite incarnation of the Revived era.

@DaedalusRaistlin

3 ай бұрын

I think the 12th Doctor episodes started out pretty lacklustre compared to previous new Doctor introductions. I myself struggled with his early episodes. Not sure if it was different writers or what, but at a certain point he went from my least favourite to most favourite incarnation.

No accounting for taste, I suppose. Capaldi is my favourite new-era Doctor, Gomez my favourite new-era Master.

Boom was the best Doctor Who episode since Moffat left all the way back in 2017

Just to point out an interesting phenomena. Over here in the Chinese DW fandom, perceptions about RTD and Moff are the exact opposite, with the Moff getting almost universally loved, while RTD was often criticized for unstable quality output and deus ex mechina. So public perception is a funny thing. These opposite views cannot be both right, but they can be both illusionary. Just put them to rest and enjoy the ride.

You thumbnail is glorious But honestly Moffat is amazing, his return is awesome

Both RTD and Moffat have written some of my least favorite scenes, episodes, and choices in Doctor Who, but also have both written some of my favorite (and Moffat my very favorite). I'll always give my personal vote to Moffat because 12 is MY Doctor and his tenure peak who for me (series 5 is also up there). Part of me is always going to wish Chibnall hadn't made it so we NEED them back and the BBC kept letting new writers lead new eras of who, but both RTD and Moffat are great writers and they are also both really humble with their positions and understand the concept of critical feedback and that not everyone is going to love every writing choice they make. At least in the interviews. They've even talked about their own writing after the fact in the way many fans do; acknowledging their short comings. Plus they just have great podcast energy together (which we need a full podcast series of them if the BBC is reading this). Doctor Who won't be perfect under either or them (it isn't under anyone), but I'm a lot more confident in both.

Moffat was bad as a showrunner, but his stand alone stories, both while working under RTD, and occasionally when he was show runner, were phenomenal. Especially under RTD, his standalone episodes were always the highlight episodes of each respective season

Come on son, when are we getting the Children of Earth review?

I'm looking forward to having him back. I enjoyed his writing and I like his era too. We shall see what happens, but I'm excited to see what story he will tell

With RTD suggesting a lot of new comers for series 15, I’m really excited to see what they bring to the show! A more balanced mix of old and new is the best way to go.

@TreyTheeWhovian

3 ай бұрын

Shouldn’t be a “balanced” mix of old and new. Should always be more new than old. Can’t keep harping on the past. Best to move forward. Little sprinkles of the past are great. But it’s time for something bigger and better.

@carsforever4002

3 ай бұрын

@@TreyTheeWhovianI definitely agree with you there, the 2005 had more new than old and was amazing so it should be the same here too

@bobdallas4860

3 ай бұрын

​@@carsforever4002I guess both of you didn't really watch the clip in its entirety, have you?

I like his individual episodes during Russel T Davis show running.

I am excited to see him return because I love his work

Harbo called it!! Moffat absolutely crushed this episode

Of course it's good news. I'm sure Moffat will bring something really exciting to this era of the show

Writing one handed aside, Moffat's single episodes when not the showrunner are some of the most well regarded, and personally I enjoyed the showrunner time overall

I know it's far early to even worry about it, but I'm concerned that Moffat will end being a showrunner after RTD again. Especially if RTD's second era is panned and disliked (which is already cause for concern depending on who you ask).

I just love hearing you speak. It calms me down. I recently was scammed out of $1000 so feel really hectic. Thank you for existing.

Huh, it's no wonder that the reputation of the Caves of Androzani precedes it with a massive returning writer like Holmes. I've seen all of his 3rd Doctor stories and loved every one of them.

Yoo the Goat is back I love RTD as much as the next guy but 11 was always my favourite Doctor so having the Moff back is a huge plus, excited to see what's up next

Seems there are new episodes of Dr Who, but where are they running? I haven't seen it on BBC-A.

@marionbaggins

3 ай бұрын

Disney+

Heavens Sent and World Enough and Times/The Doctor Falls absolutely deserve the top spots Very excited about Moffat writing again cuz yeah often his stories in the first RTD were always some of the strongest of those series

If I'm being honest, I'm glad he's back. His best work was when he wasn't a show runner but given a limited space to tell a great story, which for 4 seasons in a row, he delivered rather consistently. The issue is, as a show runner, he crapped the bed rather thoroughly until season 10.

I agree, when there’s soo many talented writers and composers out there (some of which became writers/composers etc due to being inspired by New Who after growing up with it) and who could bring new life into Who, why are we having people like Murray Gold back when he composed 10 series of the show and why would the first people RTD approaches as guest writers be Chibnal/Moffat when they just had an entire era under their run when since then there’s so many new talented writers out there who should be given the same chance to shine that these producers/writers have had. Obviously that’s not to say the previous writers shouldn’t return but I’m struggling to see why a revival of Doctor Who has no one new to the production team other than the new cast.

@carsforever4002

3 ай бұрын

But either way I was so excited for RTD’a return, and Moffat returning for an episode or two is great but I do hope we see some more new talent too.

10:30 I know it’s a bit unrelated to the video’s main subject (which btw I couldn’t be more excited about personally) but since you bought it up I definitely think Mike Flanagan would be a great choice to have as both or either one of the writers & directors, especially if Russell wanted an episode that leans a lot more into the scares than usual. I also really hope as well Peter Jackson still gets to do one one day like he’s always wanted, that to me would be truly something else if he did

I rather have moffat then RTD

@zocialix

3 ай бұрын

Even after Netflix Dracula?

Watched this after Boom. I wasn't thrilled to hear Moffat come back but he honestly addressed my criticisms of him and RTDs push to fantasy elements with his episode, Boom, the best episode of the new series. He gave us intellectual and skeptical theming. Ncuti questioning the Aglican Marine is what we needed after that shit with the language of ropes. We need more of it. Moffat shows that he can rejuvenate with his time away, RTD is yet to show that... And he's been gone longer.

He knew how to tie a story and make an hour feel like 3 hour film .. His episodes were the best.

Perhaps RTD was being courteous and inclusive to offer the previous show runners and writers the chance to contribute to the new series. A few episodes from past writers probably won't hurt but it is high time to bring in newer writers on board and have some different inputs. There's been good episodes from non-regular writers (family of blood, girl who waited). Some new input might also counterbalance some of the impact the show runner's style has on the stories, which was perhaps an issue in the SM and CC periods. Have to say 2 of the 3 specials also left a few doubts about the structuring of story telling from RTD himself; that didn't go as smooth as expected hopefully sharpens up in the coming season.

The only problems I had with Moffat as showrunner were the obsession with River Song and to a lesser extent the Weeping Angels, the love triangle with Rory and Amy (though I do like how that resolved with the Last Centurion), the sex jokes, and the idea that the show should be a "fairytale". He did eventually get us the best TARDIS design of New Who, dark colors aside. Put Moffat's 2nd TARDIS design with Davies' new TARDIS colors and working lighting and you've got a great TARDIS interior.

There's also an expectation of Moffat bringing something new and fresh for Series 14, and not to repeat the same stuff he does before, which was how fans criticised Sam Raimi for having many of his familiar tropes when he directed Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.

I always appreciate your sharp, reasoned, level-headed opinions and insights.

Personally, I feel Moffat returning as a writer under RTD is the best situation. Moffat was a great writer......but he was a bad showrunner. If you go back and actually rewatch those early Moffat seasons, you can really feel him struggling to try to pull his own RTD style long running drip feed plot while also pulling a "I need to make my mark on this series in every way possible." Look, RTD was far from perfect, but RTD knew the power of calm and quiet, and understood certain old monster factions like the Cybermen and Daleks far better than any of his successors (he got what they were meant to represent and really evoke in viewers more than later show runners, who either pandered too much to nostalgia or failed to realize their new ideas went against the core of the character concept). However, with RTD to keep him in check and to guide the flow of the series as a whole, I think we can get some really great content.

Thank goodness 😊

5:11 That's true for all showrunners though and that will always be so. Nobody is perfect.

So long as he's not writing Dalek stories. We really need major new writers. Just anyone who hasn't been showrunner since 2005, really. Even if Moffat was the best of the three as a writer.

As a writer for single episodes he is good, as a show runner taking care of season long arcs, not so much

As long as he keeps both hands writing instead of one up and one down.

Why have I got the feeling that after Davies goes Steven will become show runner again

@zacharybrafman402

3 ай бұрын

Huh it feels like there’s a echo in here

Moff is the greatest modern who writer. He did spread himself too thin, think he realised that by series 10 and gave us a perfect season

Thank God for getting me out of depression but most important these people see u in there prensce amen

THANK YOUU

I think the best approach would be to have one or two episodes per series be written by previous writers, but circulate who gets to write them. Basically, Moffat would write an episode for Series 14, Gatiss gets one for Series 15, etc. They could then have other episodes be written by _newer_ people, giving them a turn in the spotlight whilst also having the more experienced writers in the background. Even better would be to have people like Moffat, RTD, and Gatiss work as advisors for newer writers, helping them keep things streamlined but allowing for new ideas and creative freedom.

Can you imagine if Moffat is the next showrunner?! 😂 Hopefully it won’t be Chibnall after that.

3:25 I feel like this happens whenever a new showrunner appears. Like, I can very well imagine in the future some people saying that Chibnall is way better than showrunner X. Once Chibnall himself took the reign, it felt like even the people who previously hated Moffat were now praising him! But it was a pretty heated time in 2017. I remember not daring to criticize Chibnall because everything felt so toxic and extreme. Say one good thing about Chibnall and you were villainized as a woke propaganda SJW or some shit insult and if you said one bad thing about Chibnall, you were accused of hating Doctor Who and people whose xenophobic misogynistic hate comments make you vomit abuse your criticizing comment of Chibnall as "proof" that the show is "dead". I love Thirteen as she literally changed my life but I think the Chibnall era is deeply flawed with some great concepts that were sadly executed poorly.

PRAISE BE PRAISE BE

i don't mind is moffat has 1 or even 2 episodes a season, i am a fan oh his stories, as a showrunner hes a bit iffy with bad world building and bad finales and overarching series narratives, but single stories are great

Love you Harbo

I'm so excited for Season 1!!!!!!! or Series 14 or Series 1 or Season 40 or whatever you wanna say. and people are mad about his return? I'm not. I mean his era had my favourite doctor in it so I may be a bit bias.

moffat is a lifestyle

I'm looking forward with cautious optimism. It could be great or it could bomb. We can only wait and see.

I love the moff. All hail the moff. I love his work and i am excited for him to come back. I would rather have new writers instead of rtd little boys club but i do love his work. Chibs really embraced new writers which sometimes was amazing sometimes not but at least it embraced change.

i do not want a doctor who season without controversy or issue. preferably, it'd be at least semi palatable, unlike s12, but even flux had its good bits. RTD1 had its problems. moffat is an incredible writer--- who indulges in some serious 'hand down pants itis,' unfortunately. thus far though, its a small price to pay for the absolute bombshell additions he has made to the show.

Moffat is the greatest writer in NuWho. While I think his showrunning was overhated, but it definitely wasn't as good as RTD. I'm excited to see what he does.

I'm really excited that the loki writers are writing dr who episodes, I've always thought they would make great dr who writers, that said I'm still confused on why they haven't gotten any of the writers from the comics, or audio dramas to write some dr who episodes. johnathan morris, scott gray, and cavan scott are some of the best dr who writers full stop

A writer I would love to see do at least one episode of _Doctor Who_ is Connie Willis, author of the Oxford Time Travel series. Not likely, but wouldn't that be interesting?

Dedpite my initial annoyance of the "writer-rehash", this video has given some insight and assurance on the new writers joining the show. I'm really looking forward to the new era, (despite it airing really late in the UK.)

I'll gladly take a few more 10/10 Moff scripts. Then a new team can do whatever they will

Honestly don’t see how anyone can be unhappy about this. As you suggest his batting average, and the amount of time he will have had to develop this idea, suggest it will be a very high quality episode. I think the fandom was out of step with reality. I was a dr who fan but not involved in any fan communities during moffats run and people I knew of all different tastes loved the Smith era and many said Capaldi was the best doctor. Seems the fandom has come around to that with Capaldi now.

moffat is really good at 2 things characterisation of the doctor and single stories everything else is kind of meh, but those are the 2 things he needs when hes a writer, not a showrunner, he doesn't need worlbuilding, he doesn't need to come up with the overarching story of the season, he doesn't need to come up with new characters, just use characters who already exist (which is excells at enhancing already existing characters) and write a good one off story for the season

Imagine being mad that the best New Who writer and one of the best Doctor Who writers overall is coming back for an episode. I've had enough subpar Doctor Who since he left, best news regarding this new era of Doctor Who by far. For the haters, I'd be more worried about RTD writing 6/8 episodes having already written 4 prior episodes, than Moffat writing one episode. I wish he will come back in subsequent seasons too, I want more diversity in top 10 episode lists, Heaven Sent, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, Blink and World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls are still dominating them (guess who wrote those).

I think Moffat worked better under Russel and his episodes were quite good and when he took over as showrunner he was still good just more hit and miss. People who are moaning about him coming back its not exactly unheard of especially looking at Classic Who where a lot of old writers came back and nobody moans about that in retrospect

@mayotango1317

3 ай бұрын

The RTD era is more hit and miss.

Yeah, it's good news overall.

"The two episode premiere and then Boom! a Moffat episode" this is so funny because episode 3 is heavily rumoured to be titled "Boom"

Moffet wrote Blink. The end.

We really don't know how close to being canned Dr Who had gotten, So I think a season or two of Dr Who where the reigns are held a little tight isn't that bad an idea.

I would find it really funny if Academy Award winning writer Peter Capaldi wrote an episode.

Whoa wtf Moffat has haters in the DW community? They need to hand him the keys to the show tbh

I can't hold the question in anymore, call me stupid if you want, but is the channel name pronounced harbo "Woah-lmes" or "Holmes". Or something else?

I don't think this news is that significant. Even if the episodes awful it will just be one episode in an 8 episode series.

just hoping big gatiss isnt coming back icl his stories draaag (expect sleep no more that one goes hard)

The show is beyond saving. I'm sorry.

I think it's fairly apparent from viewer counts that seasons 11 to 13 something was going wrong with the show. They're the only seasons that really didn't grab me. I think Chibnall has a well deserved reputation by now, his episodes seem to be the least watched or some of the lowest rated out of all of New Who. I think they need to return to different showrunners and writers to try to get the series back on track. Maybe Chibnall isn't entirely to blame for the rating losses, but it's fairly clear that they need to try something or someone else if they want to return to the success of previous seasons.

@chriszone50

3 ай бұрын

RTD and Steven Moffat are the best writers of the modern series, RTD worked best as show runner, and Moffat worked best as guest writer, by replicating that formula that had proven to be successful and using the best and most experience writers on the show, will lead to the best outcome. If you have the best writers at your disposal then you use them, you do not hire an all new team just for the sake of renewal, look how that turned out with the Chibnal era, a crappy show runner, with crappy writers. If the best writers are willing to come back, then you bloody well utilise them.

>Heaven Sent >Underrated Hidden Gem I simply cannot process the irony there.

One Man's Showrunner is Another Man's Writer! Choose your Destiny!

Saying "Boom" in a moffat video about series 14