So it was in fact Grollo not willing to finance the land for their own proposal that shut it all down. Probably should have sorted that out a little earlier on in the picture 🥴

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

In one sense, it's a good thing that Grollo's financial woes were not found out until the very end; as a result, we got to witness two incredible works of architecture.

@leeuhmm9455

Ай бұрын

The Grollos, including the sons that run the company today are just cheap bastards.

This is INSANELY UNDERRATED!!! Perfect models animation editing research and voiceover! I WAS HERE before you get to 500k subs! Don't stop posting please!

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the feedback, I really appreciate it! I look forward to making more videos when I have the time. Your "One Year Anniversary" video has awesome cinematography and editing, so I hold your opinion in high regard.

@tfmg8223

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!! Think you’re the 1st person to say that online!!! I made that when I was in 9th grade high school it’s been a while😂 but thank you so much for watching it!! Your videos deserve so much more attention since you can see how much effort goes into them!!

@tfmg8223

2 ай бұрын

Also the music you use in your videos are awesome!!! I recognize some tracks from electronic gems 💎 !!!

@ThatOneA380

2 ай бұрын

Here gang!

@electro_sykes

2 ай бұрын

@@Contraflex ngl it would look great in the melbourne skyline if it was built today. Guess it was just ahead of its time

Hey mate, I work as a structural engineer here in Australia. Your explanations for how these systems work (PT decks, shear cores etc) are pretty much bang on. Do you happen to work in industry?

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

You guess is right, I am also an Australian structural engineer :) Thank you for the feedback, I'm glad to hear that my explanations were still accurate after simplifying them for a broader audience

Thanks for the memories! I remember back then, I was disappointed too, that the Grollo tower wasn't built. It would have been an impressive addition to Melbourne s skyline.

@Contraflex

3 ай бұрын

Instead we can look forward to the new STH BNK proposal, it has a very unique twisting design and will be Australia's tallest building if built.

@MitchellBPYao

2 ай бұрын

Unless you have CBD1 and Sky Tower in Sydney

@Kni0002

2 ай бұрын

This tower reminds me of one word trade centre, wish it was built

@Tbirdtrav71

2 ай бұрын

@@Contraflex It's been approved and I think are under construction. Melbourne's CBD and now Southbank are windy cold hell holes, little sunlight and huge drafts from too many tall buildings.

Nobody advocating for sunlight in Melbourne these days!

This is the beginning of a great channel, and i am here for it!

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

We'll see what the future holds! Thanks for watching

The one that got away... I am always sad when a proposed supertall building gets cancelled but especially this once since nobody has dared to dream of a tower this tall in Oceania since! A total shame...

@stickynorth

3 ай бұрын

For the record the second design by DCM is much more polished despite it being blander. It would have made a great antipodean sister of London's Shard...

@Contraflex

3 ай бұрын

@@stickynorth The Shard is a great comparison to the DCM design, it's almost uncanny how similar they look. And I agree it's a total shame that these towers were cancelled, it definitely seems like we missed the last opportunity to have the world's tallest building in Oceania. I wouldn't be surprised if only the Middle East and China are able to compete for the record in the future.

@Samsgarden

2 ай бұрын

Nothing more than a celebration of excess and brutalist dystopia.

@joet4811

2 ай бұрын

Waste of money.

@Lakridza67

2 ай бұрын

We don’t want it! It is ugly, unnecessary, ridiculous and just plain stupid! This is Melbourne, not some masculine utopian futuristic catastrophe! Thank God it got knocked back

When I was 6 I wanted to be a builder and was obsessed with skyscrapers. I even wrote a letter to Bruno Grollo (with the help of my parents) and he wrote me back (I don't remember where the letter is now or what it said). I was super excited about this and remember being disappointed when it didn't get built.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

That's an awesome story, I'm surprised Grollo would take the time to write back.

@davidpacheco5501

2 ай бұрын

@@Contraflex I'm going to guess being a property developer he didn't get much fanmail so maybe it was special, especially coming from a 6 year old kid. Haha.

Awesome vid. I checked your sub count after and shocked to see under 3k wow

Great video, amazingly well detailed. Most of my work is in these large towers and there is so much in them necessary to their function that the public never sees

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment. We put a lot of faith in the engineers, architects, and builders who labour for many years to create these skyscrapers

really well done video with great animations and storytelling

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thanks a ton!

I remember the mention of a shadow being cast as far as Glen Iris 13km away to the east back when the Grollo tower was proposed. I wasn't aware of the airport problem as well. Great vid, cheers.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment, these towers can certainly cast some nasty shadows

Great video! I remember being so excited when the DCM design was approved. I wasn't that keen on the Harry Siedler design.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

The DCM design is my favourite too. Thanks for watching!

Really well done and interesting doco mate. 👏

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Many thanks!

great video. I much prefer the Grollo tower for its look, and from your explanation appears to be structurally more sound. I especially like the mechanical floors which allow more wind to flow through, and even if its only 15%, the solar panel is still a great touch to the top of it.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

The open mechanical floors and solar roof were revolutionary at the time; they are very common on skyscrapers these days, but not in the 1990s. Thanks for watching

This is fantastic. Can't believe the quality of it. Did you study 3D graphics/design or videomaking prior to starting this youtube channel? Do you run another channel?

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the feedback. This is my only KZread channel but I have been learning 3D animation in Blender in my free time for about the past two and a half years.

If Private Developers sort 'Public Opinion' on every project, nothing would ever get built

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

That's true, but I would argue anything as large and impactful to a city as a skyscraper should definitely have a large amount of public consultation.

@linkkicksu

2 ай бұрын

good fuck private developers

Good presentation of animated facts.

Melburnian here, sad it did not go ahead

I guess the Green Spine is as good as its going to get here in Aus for some time (if they can pull it off). Great video mate. Never knew about this tower before!

@MitchellBPYao

2 ай бұрын

That's 350m

Finally a video on this

Great video

Awesome video please do more like this thanks

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

The design was sold and was going to be located at Doha convention centre in Qatar

@Contraflex

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, where did you hear about that?

@KantolanceDragonenthusiast

3 ай бұрын

@Contraflex look up doha convention centre tower, cancelled due to the construction of Hamand International Airport being in close proximity

I wish I was an architecture nerd, I would love this. But as a filthy casual I thought the "why Melbourne cancelled their biggest tower" would be more about.. I guess that and the project management, but the description of the physics was a little too dense for me to enjoy. Still, Its clear the amount of work that went into this, so nicely done!!

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the feedback, for me the engineering and physics is the most interesting part of a story like this, but I can see the appeal of the project management and political details.

FYI DCM did a circular 750m mixed-use tower design for Dubai that preceded the Burj Khalifa and followed on the footsteps of the Melbourne Tower. Amazing project and great shame it didn't go ahead. The outer layer was wrapped in perforated sheeting with a unique graphic patterning.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing, I just looked at it on DCM's website and it's definitely a unique form. It's a shame there isn't more information about it on the net though.

Great video! I remember being super excited about this as a kid. I think the original Grollo tower may have had more support if it was in dark blue or dark purple instead of Gold?

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Gold is definitely an unorthodox colour for a skyscraper facade. In my opinion, it's a nice change from the typical shades of blue.

@AlexHellene

2 ай бұрын

@@Contraflex Yep perhaps, good point.

Amazing video mate! I've always been interested in this backstory so thank you for creating a video on it!

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the feedback, I really enjoyed making this video about such an important chapter in the history of Australian architecture

Wow dude you guna have 1m subs, keep going!!!

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

We'll see what happens, thanks for watching!

what a great video!

@Contraflex

3 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for watching!

I remember when this was in the news. The only real reason I heard it was scrapped was becasue of the shadow

Interesting video

I remember seeing a newspaper article about this a long time ago, seemed fanciful at the time.

Grollo was not only a visionary, but one of the most down to earth humble human one 14:45 could ever have the pleasure to meet. Lived in the Northern suburbs of Melbourne. Family meant everything to him. I could go on but …..not enough space to do so. 😊🙏

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing. Grollo was definitely a visionary who wanted to put his city on the map.

@sgm7777

Ай бұрын

@@Contraflex amazing KZread thoroughly enjoyed it and learnt so much - thank you 🙏

@sgm7777

26 күн бұрын

@@murraykitson1436 wow today?

@sgm7777

26 күн бұрын

@@murraykitson1436 that he passed away? I thought he was still alive?

@sgm7777

26 күн бұрын

@@murraykitson1436 👍

Shame the first one never built, seems like a great design, excellent video, thank you.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Love the orange seidler design. totally iconic and unique. A shame it wasn't constructed. Awesome video.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Orange and gold are great colours for skyscraper facades, although they are probably more expensive than colourless glass which might be why they aren't as common.

i remember this, at the time i was so enthusiastic to see melbournes skyline transform into something more akin to the bigger citys like nyc etc, but now that it has moved progressively in that direction 30 years later i really feel like the city has lost its soul and old school character and is now just another cookie cutter metropolis in the making

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing. Your sentinment regarding skyscrapers is very relatable and makes perfect sense.

Gooday mate, this was a fair dinkum explanation I reckon.

I remember that in early 1990's when Bruno Grollo announced new tower will be finish by the perfect year 2000 and the Victoria Premier Jeff Kennett that year announce pick 1 of which 2 new designed to be build Grollo Tower or Melbourne Link when Jeff Kennett turn head look at other member of Vic government then Jeff turn to tell Melbourne Link that has me blow my head up shout at Jeff Kennett "Fuck Off".

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, it sounds like there was only enough money in the government piggy bank for one megaproject at the time.

@ACDZ123

12 сағат бұрын

And now thanks to hunchback Danny, Victoria is broke

Firstly what a fantastic video! Great graphics and visual execution! Secondly I loved the Denton design and the symbolism would have been apt as Melbourne has been casting around for a signature landmark. This also could've been a feature piece to anchor the Docklands district and build around, instead the district is lacking identity and fallen into confusion. I also admire the local passion that Bruno Grollo had for Melbourne and his desire to see it elevated (ha!). I remember being disappointed when the Denton design didnt come into fruition. I am looking forward the twisty sisters in Southbank though.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. For me, the landmark of Docklands is the stadium, when it could have been so much more. Fingers crossed that the STH BNK towers go ahead, they have such a unique design.

if only it could be built!

this video was fkn sick bro

@Contraflex

27 күн бұрын

Much appreciated!

Great video! As a Melbournian I think you are very talented. I think this would have been awesome to have in the city.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Fingers crossed that the new STH BNK skyscraper in Melbourne comes to fruition; it's twisting form is incredible.

@out_spocken

2 ай бұрын

Why would it have been awesome?

both designs are still kind of awesome

There was not enough sun in Melbourne to turn the building into the centre of a sundial.

Brisbane had a couple of Supertall skyscrapers from back in the 1980s, I think it's when they were proposed the inevitably cancelled. 😢

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this, I will do some research into Brisbane's cancelled towers.

I live in Melbourne I didn’t know about this tower I’m very disappointed with Melbourne

would be nice to build a building like that. Though it wouldn't be the worlds tallest, it would look better in the Melbourne CBD skyline now with the taller buildings

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Yes it definitely wouldn't stick out as much today.

what software was used for the 3d model?

@Contraflex

3 ай бұрын

The 3D models of the two Grollo Tower designs were made in Blender. The scenes which show the full city skylines with hundreds of buildings were made in Google Earth Studio.

@adriansanchez4875

3 ай бұрын

@@Contraflex thanks!

@MitchellBPYao

2 ай бұрын

​@@ContraflexSketchUp and Archicad for mine

My impression of the naming of Australia Square is that it refers to the public space, or square, at the base of the building. Harry Seidler also designed Sydney's MLC Centre which is taller than Australia Square but not mentioned in the video. My question , however , is whether the similar " cut-down " version of this building in Melbourne was also designed by Harry Seidler ? If anyone can identify this building , this would help considerably . A very tall building was also proposed for Parramatta , called Aspire at over 88 floors and exceeding 300 meters ,but of course this has not eventuated . Parramatta was once mooted to be the capital of NSW , and it even has its own Government House which dates from colonial times, however with so much recent commercial development in the CBD around the Metro site , we could eventually have it both ways - two major cities in one !

@Contraflex

24 күн бұрын

I'm not familiar with the "cut-down" building you mention. Do you mean there is a building that looks similar to the Grollo Tower? I think I chose to talk about Australia Square because it's circular shape is quite unique for skyscrapers. I hadn't heard of the MLC Centre but thank you for bring it to my attention.

@murraykitson1436

24 күн бұрын

@@Contraflex The MLC Centre is now known as 25 Martin Place according to a Google search . It has 67 levels , and instead of being cylindrical in shape it appears to be hexagonal . It was said to be of unique construction when it was opened in the 1970s . I seem to remember a comment about it being the tallest concrete block building at the time , but I may be wrong and would have to research this . I would recommend a Google search , if only to view the photographs ,then visualise a similar looking building in Melbourne . Update ! I have identified the Melbourne building as Nauru House , at 80 Collins Street by looking at a map where I thought it was , then searching the name shown . Nauru House is actually considerably taller than I realised , and in fact had been Melbourne's tallest building upon completion ! It was also not a Harry Seidler design . Mystery solved ! 👍

@Contraflex

19 күн бұрын

@@murraykitson1436 I'm glad to hear you solved the mystery. The lack of glass in the facade of Nauru House definitely looks similar to Seidler's work.

@murraykitson1436

19 күн бұрын

@@Contraflex 👍

A great place too store those 4000 icu beds 👍

The sunlight argument in Melbourne is bit of a joke these days. Also hilarious is the flight path woes for both Essendon and Tullamarine. It would be fun to raid FK and DCM (and Seidler's) archives to see what these building really were like. Alas I only work in another (much smaller) firm in Melbourne. Alas we have 'classics' like the pantscraper and Australia 108 to look at these days. Eugh.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

I can't believe I haven't heard of the pantscraper before... the crown of that arch would have been a nightmare for the structural engineers...

4:03 - - cables in the floor slabs

I never understood CASAs argument. It wouldn't necessitate a new runway, just shifting the some turns a little south so they don't go over the CBD.

@Contraflex

19 күн бұрын

I agree, it seems hard to believe that planes couldn't just make a slight adjustment to their flight path if necessary.

It should have been built and named Melbourne580.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

I like the name idea, similar to Australia 108 which was planned to have 108 stories but ended up with "only" 100.

5:20 its the area moment of inertia not the moment of inertia. The moment of inertia of the ruler in those two orientations is the same due to the integration of mass over the square of the distance.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for clarifying, I always thought the moment of inertia was equal to the second moment of area, but you are right.

I thought the video was great and well made, with great explanations. I prefer the first design. I just wanted to point out that you mention that Melbourne rejected the tower twice... whilst possibly correct for the first tower, the main reason the second tower didn't go ahead was due to Grollo / Grocon lack of finances, it had most of the approvals already in place.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

You are certainly correct. Thank you for watching and the feedback

Cancelled because Melbourne is the Geelong of the world

Second design was great. So disappointed it wasn’t built

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Another viewer pointed out that that the second design looks like The Shard in London.

The column-less floorplan is somewhat similar to the original World Trade Center but sturdier.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

The World Trade Center is definitely one of the pioneering examples of the columnless interior and inspired many other buildings.

2 buildings , one 50 floors and one 49. 49 sticks a 5 storey high antenna on top,,,, which is the tallest building ?

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

According to the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (the organisation who maintains the rankings of the world's tallest buildings), an antenna is not counted when considering the "Height to Architectural Top", which is the metric used for the rankings. So in your example, the 50 storey tower would be taller to the architectural top, and thus the taller building. However, if the antenna was an architectural spire, then it's height would be counted the 49 storey building would be considered taller. Some people prefer to consider only the height to the "Highest Occupied Floor", in which case the 50 storey building would win. So, your question is difficult to answer and depends on who you ask.

We don’t need anymore skyscrapers thank you.

@sam-jl7oq

Ай бұрын

Especially that one.

I swear skyscrapers are always cancelled 😭🙏

I like both of them

Melbourne city council wanted more money in bribes 😂.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

There is probably some truth in that

Melbourne needs something to put us on the map

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

There is a new proposal for Australia's tallest building called STH BNK in Melbourne. Fingers crossed that it goes ahead.

Wrong ! Canberra is the second coldest capital city. Not Melbourne

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

I checked the BOM website and it looks like it goes Canberra, Hobart, and then Melbourne, based on minimum temperatures in July (the coldest month). So l was wrong, apologies for that.

GANGSTA FKN VIDEO BRO

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Thanks dude!

I prefer the first one

I like the video but I have a question why is your voice different? no offense

@Contraflex

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching, I used a TTS program for previous videos but I finally purchased a decent microphone for this video so I was able to record voiceover. Hopefully you prefer the real voiceover, otherwise I just wasted $100 😂

The first design for sure.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

It's definitely more unique, there aren't many hexagonal skyscrapers with an orange facade.

Imagine trying to change the solar panels every 10 years

@Contraflex

27 күн бұрын

That's an excellent point, I didn't think about that. It would be a challenging operation.

went to there house a couple of times in the 80s.

@Contraflex

4 күн бұрын

You went to the Grollos' house? That's awesome.

Thank god it wasn't actually built. What an eyesore. Also, great video quality - keep it up if you want to be a serious content creator.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the feedback! Although I must admit I disagree with you on the aesthetics of the buildings :)

@glens0r

2 ай бұрын

@@Contraflex I can only agree on the latter design. And eh, Docklands couldn't be any worse than it is now. I get depressed even driving through it

leg up to Grollo for having the vision. Melbourne lacks any real world headline grabbing monuments.. hence why that sail thing where people sing and that bridge which has been built a million times around the world grabs headlines for sydney.. as i said before.. Melbourne is the Geelong of the world.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

"Sail thing where people sing" 😂 It took me a moment to realise what you were talking about

The sears tower looks kinda ugly though. The Grollo tower looks a lot better

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

I always thought the antennae on top of the Sears Tower looked out of place. But I like the blockiness and tapering size of the tower.

W vid

It’s the Ultor Tower from Saints Row 2

@Contraflex

19 күн бұрын

The triangular roof and spire does look similar, good pickup

45 elevators. is there any space for stairs. dam

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

I didn't model the fire escape stairs, although they definitely would have been a part of the core. The Burj Khalifa has a whopping 57 elevators, it makes sense when you think about how many people work/live in these buildings, how far the elevators travel, and the goal of minimising waiting times.

Fascinating if they're worried about Shadows I wonder what they do at night time

grollo wanted 1/2 the money up front before they even started construction that's why

I remember when it was a thing. I collected 3 or 4 brochures of the building. I may still have one among all my collected crap over the years.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

If you manage to find a brochure, it would be great if you could share it, perhaps on the Grollo Tower Wikipedia page. Despite its size, there is very little information about the building online.

@MitchellBPYao

2 ай бұрын

​@@Contraflexfictional status

Thank FK this wasn't built! Bring in tourists? Err... maybe for a year. Melbourne doesn't have the skyline to pull it off. Melbourne isn't New York. This would've been a Taipei 101 type of Dubai-esque build it regardless of population density/business demand, build it and they'll come. You have a pretty decent skyline, build one super tower and suddenly the skyline looks terrible. It just takes one super tall building to make a previously dense looking skyline to suddenly look empty.

It’s strange that you’ve got the Architect wrong. Whilst it’s possible that Seidler designed a version of Grollo Tower, it was not the definitive design that was proposed to Council. Denton Corker Marshall designed a far more slender and beautiful tower sited at the west end of Collins Street in the late 90’s.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

From my research (Fluid City by Kim Dovey), Seidler was a serious contender who designed the first iteration of the tower. You can see Seidler's drawings on the firm's website. However, you are right in that the DCM design was the one that had a higher chance of being built (which is covered in the second half of the video).

i like the first building much more

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

One of my favourite skyscrapers is Riparian Plaza in Brisbane, which was also designed by Harry Seidler. You can see some similarities between it and his vision for the Grollo Tower, in particular the open mechanical floors, the communications spire, and the massive glass entry awning.

I don’t think Melbourne will ever house the world’s tallest building. It’s not rich enough, doesn’t have the manpower, not big enough

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

I agree, we'll leave that honour to the Middle East and Asia.

Literal "Tall Poppy" syndrome that Australia has always been classic for. That's why you don't ask permission from the peasants.

Coulda shoulda woulda.

There are too many tall buildings in Melbourne too close together. This has created windy dark streets.

@Contraflex

27 күн бұрын

I think future skyscrapers will be more considerate of their impact on street sunlight and wind, but the damage has already been done with existing skyscrapers.

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️Give me strength. I’ve found a child with an edifice complex. No one cares about having the highest building. It was a rubbish proposal then. And it still is in retrospect.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

Thank you for teaching me about the edifice complex, I've never heard of it before. I just think skyscrapers are awesome... the combined effort of thousands of humans to transform ground up rocks into works of art taller than almost anything made by nature is pretty cool. The political side of skyscrapers is kind of boring to me.

The orange one is too ugly for Melbourne's skyline. The second one would have been pretty cool. It's a shame that the government weren't more supportive.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you, I think I prefer the second design.

@TheLostProbe

2 ай бұрын

I kind of disagree. it would've looked very odd back then, but now we are seeing some more abstract and unique designs popping up. it would've looked better in Southbank rather than over the railway lines near the Batman Avenue Bridge though, it contrasts too much with the buildings in the East End and just looks out of place

if Sydney is anything to go by it would have a multitude of defects😂😂😂

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

A reference to Opal Tower I assume?

@billmago7991

Ай бұрын

over 900 defective buildings found by the newly appointed govt building inspector from newcastle to wollongong with over 100 found to need urgent repairs. Clearly self regulation doesnt work.

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

@@billmago7991 Incredible, I had no idea of the scale of the defects. Deeply concerning.

They can't afford it

You’ll find that you cannot build these tall buildings in the Melbourne CBD because of the airport landing splay from Tullamarine Airport. This is the reason why the super tall buildings are in Southbank in Melbourne.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

That's quite interesting how just a slight shift in a building's position across the river can clear it from causing any airport interference.

The groll9s were an end of an era graft and corruption mafia family, not corageous entrepreneurs. Glad a monument to tbeir criminal greed was not erected.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Many viewers have the same thoughts about the Grollos as you, I was not aware he was so controversial, but I can understand it now.

@rustle2

2 ай бұрын

@@Contraflex the grollos amongst other things were early in on a cartel of hijacking the supply and pricing of concrete to the construction industry. Every building needed their inflated price product. Folklaw rumours tbat if you went up against their monopoly you might end up sleeping in a slab at the bottom of a construction site.

@rustle2

2 ай бұрын

Concrete hijacking of supply and pricing made them rich and a foot in the door to their mafia organisation. Folklaw said if you cross them you may end up sleeping in a slab at the bottom of the next skyscraper​@@Contraflex

As a work at height professional today and a Melbournian most of my life I’m surprised I’ve never heard of this baby and also, what a hair raising prospect to do maintenance up top. I hate architects (jk)

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Huge respect to you for being able to work at heights, it's not for the faint of heart

Denton

@Contraflex

Ай бұрын

My favourite design as well.

Bruno Grollo had a very bad Reputation in Australia. Payments were (too often) paid short, leaving Trades with debts and some in financial failure. I don't think that Australian Companies would want to 'get involved' with Grollo again. Many examples I have heard of were to avoid Grollo. Fact that they could not / would not pay for the Land is a warning ⚠️ sign.

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment. I agree that Grollo's reputation was less than stellar. Perhaps if the design was in the hands of another developer, it would have come to fruition. But the fact is that there were probably no other developers as ambitious as Grollo.

@MelodyMan69

2 ай бұрын

@@Contraflex After 51 years in this caper, I have dealt with many Trades, mainly HVAC, Plumbing and Electrical/Data. All the 'players' I met said the same. A Man that thinks a huge set of Bulls Testicles (at the entrance to his Preston Residence) is a reflection of his strength is kiddin himself. You mistake 'bluff and greed' with ambition.

Not posdible as the airspace for airports cannot be intended by skyscrapers under Australialn aviation law. This pipe dream gets quashed again and again.

Personally I think we have too many tall buildings in the city now. These tall buildings create wind tunnels and leave streets in permanent shade and freezing cold. There should be stricter height limits applied here in Melbourne. Great cities like Paris and Rome generally don't have buildings above 10 floors and can still achieve high population densities. As someone who lives in the CBD I think the council has gone too far in allowing so many very tall skyscrapers, especially in the West and North West of the CBD, Spencer street is a freezing cold wind tunnel and unpleasant to walk down.

@Detrabot

2 ай бұрын

Yeah we should have more buildings in suburbs where it’s close to shopping centres, trains, etc

@Contraflex

2 ай бұрын

It is a shame that many of these skyscrapers were built without regard for how they would impact the amount of sunlight and the behaviour of wind near existing buildings, and once these new skyscrapers are built, it's impossible to undo the damage.

@GL-xz3xk

2 ай бұрын

Bingo. Corruption and politics meant many classic Melbourne buildings were destroyed for high rises and as someone who has lived at times and worked in the cbd for 20 years, it’s gotten worse every year. This would have been another unnecessary Grollo eyesore.

@Detrabot

2 ай бұрын

@@GL-xz3xk can’t imagine what the city whou have looked like with the grollo tower

@GL-xz3xk

2 ай бұрын

@Detrabot Better without a doubt.