For those wondering why Born This Way isn’t featured, I forgot 💀

@phantomclouud6876

Жыл бұрын

Just like Araki

@josh-on5kp

Жыл бұрын

💀

@kawailook

Жыл бұрын

Forgor 💀

@Rush-ow4hq

Жыл бұрын

@@kawailook i can't believe he forgor 💀

@diegophoenix3589

Жыл бұрын

I mean to be fair even though it isn't Canon star platinum over heaven could negate ger entirely and he could be considered the strongest in that way even with things like Requiem and act 4

Time Stop pretty much allows Jotaro to solo 90% of stands in the series

@kingoftheives3488

Жыл бұрын

ATLEAST**

@CasualSHADOWenjoyer

Жыл бұрын

@Star-Universe-Requiem that's why magenta magenta wins

@jouskehigaskita8835

Жыл бұрын

He could of packed up Pucci had he not have to save jolyne

@CasualSHADOWenjoyer

Жыл бұрын

@@jouskehigaskita8835 you don't get anything about irony do you

@jouskehigaskita8835

Жыл бұрын

@@CasualSHADOWenjoyer yes

Jotaro Can Just Say "So Its The Same Type As Star Platinum" And Solo Whole JJBA Verse

Pucci : your free trial of plot armor is done

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

Emporia gave them an extended warranty

@chiashenglongchia1969

Жыл бұрын

not really tho , Jotaro can kill pucci but he choose to save Jolyne becuase his a father.

@thekingofspeed8960

Жыл бұрын

@@chiashenglongchia1969 Possibly but it took all 5 of them playing around Jotaro’s time stop with Annasui still having to sacrifice himself and Pucci STILL outplaying them. I can see it going either way in a 1v1

@thebaguettegod9769

Жыл бұрын

@@thekingofspeed8960It’s stated jotaro would have won if his daughter wasn’t there also jotaro can accelerate his thought process.

@galarstar052

Жыл бұрын

@Technical Clashers Star Platinum isn't lightspeed at all, the fact Pucci absolutely shitstomped him in terms of speed is just proof of that, and not an outlier.

This video is pretty great, although one small mistake I spotted was you stating that Part 1 Jonathan and Part 2 Joseph did not have stands; they in fact both had a form of Hermit Purple, just did not know how to use it. Hermit Purple is a shared stand which is achieved through mastery of the Ripple which both characters have accomplished. Additionally Araki has stated that if the Stardust Crusaders were to have met Part 2 Joseph they would see Hermit Purple wrapped around him. The same can be assumed for Jonathan as DIO has used Hermit Purple before. Nonetheless, this does not really change much in terms of who would win, it is just a nitpick of your pretty high quality content.

My man has the balls to call josuke's hair stupid 💀💀

We can't confirm that GER reverted with the loss of the arrow. Again the only reason the arrow remained in GER was so diavolo didn't have a chance to use it. Once there was no chance of diavolo getting the arrow it was released. Our only other comparison would be silver chariot requiem and we only see him revert when silver chariot accidentally got stabbed and polnareff stopped him before he lost control. Other than that Silver chariot requiem loses the arrow a couple times and remains still requiem up until he's ultimately destroyed.

@GangStarTie

Жыл бұрын

@Technical Clashers it's extremely logicless to go off of a fighting game where there are mechanics put into the game so you can have fun. After all it is only a game based off the series. Technically following the game would mean bites the dust isn't an instant kill, and Mih is not a permanent transformation and only lasts a round. You also bring up star platinum over heaven which only appears in the cutscenes from the game Eyes of Heaven. In this same game there's a cutscene where Giorno is seen using GER without use of the arrow. But Giorno's gameplay in that very same game requires that use stab yourself with the arrow to obtain GER almost like it's a gameplay mechanic and shouldn't be seen as any more than that.

@GangStarTie

Жыл бұрын

@Technical Clashers Also GER's return to zero only activates if Giorno is being attacked. The time acceleration most likely had little or not threat on Giorno's life therefore Mih wouldn't be reversed

@GangStarTie

Жыл бұрын

@Technical Clashers GER's power increased so much from GE that it couldn't be measured. Based on the TWOH has no major power or speed increases due to star platinum being able to keep up. GER would stomp jotaro and it isn't even close.

@ghitaianis9022

Жыл бұрын

Well you can also look at bites the dust which essentially works the same way like the requiem arrow has more virus yes but from bites the dust we can see that any arrow has the ability to give the user the ability they most need if their will is strong enough. Also I am not sure if the arrow that pierces Kira does come back out of killer queen or it stays forever or what not but I am just saying you can techiecally include bites the dust into the "requiem" status since in part 4 requiem wasn't a thing. Kinda how in part 1 the Joe star birthmark wasn't canon until part 3 and then the anime changed it so part 1 and 2 would have it.

@The-Beyonder

Жыл бұрын

@@GangStarTie It can return any actions to zero. There's no precedent that it has to be only when Giorno is directly attack. It's just the fact that there is no benefit to RtZ being in the Pucciverse as you said it doesn't inflict any harm to Giorno in any way and it just overall isn't necessary which is why it never was used at that time.

Jotaro: it’s the same type of stand as star palti- Johnny : I know tusk act Za warudo

Bro caught a bullet the FIRST TIME HE USED HIS STAND

Young Joseph had a stand. In an interview, Araki stated that if the crusaders were to travel back in time battle tendency they would see Hermit purple around young Joseph

@dontaskmeaboutmyprofilepic5898

Жыл бұрын

Do u know the interview?

@maximusd26

Жыл бұрын

which is basically a plot hole or badly explained since we see part 2 from Joseph's POV and he should see the stand

@roronoazoro8789

Жыл бұрын

@@maximusd26 we saw just you didn't

@maximusd26

Жыл бұрын

@@roronoazoro8789 shieee dawg

@HunterStiles651

Жыл бұрын

@@maximusd26 Except it's literally not a plot hole. We've seen several occasions where characters subconsciously manifest their stand ability without fully manifesting their stand and gaining the ability to see stands along with it. Most notably Toddler Giorno and Trish. It also explains why Joseph's intellect seems to border on precognition at times with stuff like his famous "Your next line is". Because it literally IS precognition. It's Joseph subconsciously manifesting Hermit Purple without manifesting the stand itself.

Gold Experience Requiem was not a one use thing, Silver Chariot Requiem proves this, as it seemingly had the same abilities as it did, the first time polnareff accidentally pierced himself with the arrow. Im guessing fate decides the requiem abilities, as the requiem stands are seemingly born for a purpose, but their abilities do not ever change. In a battle between Jotaro and Giorno, Jotaro Wins, Unless Giorno has the Requiem Form achieved.

@tyrfxl5361

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this entire video was riding Jotaro and was very false.

@vipgoldmaster

2 ай бұрын

ik jotaro can lose if giorno has requiem if he dont have requiem he wont win

Techinally if he get the overheaven buff he solo ger any day

If Star Platinum wasn't so OP and Legendary. Literally none of the villains in the series would survive or stand a chance to defeat Jotaro. (Pun intended)

We all know if Jotaro wasn't nerfed, he could've finished Pucci off

@Kongongongg

Жыл бұрын

He wasn’t nerfed in the end of Part 6. His time stop was on peak - 5 seconds. Made in Heaven ability nerfed TS

@zackz7563

Жыл бұрын

and we also know that if it werent for anasui, pucci would have killed jotaro in the first 3 mins of the fight lmao

@zackz7563

Жыл бұрын

@Star-Universe-Requiem ok? His time stop wasnt nerfed or anything bcz of his coma lmfao, the coma didnt affect his speed or his ability. It was pucci who did that

@zackz7563

Жыл бұрын

@Star-Universe-Requiem ok tell me where is it confirmed? I can understand strengh and durability, but there isnt proof that he was slower. Part 6 literally says he is just as fast as he was in part 3

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

Жыл бұрын

he could have but saved jolyne instead

This gave me a huge ego boost even though Johnny Joestar, Giorno Giovanna and Heaven Ascended Dio. exist

@jotarokujo4250

Жыл бұрын

Well star platuim over heaven exists as well

@uc54321

Жыл бұрын

Johnny vs Jotaro could go either way, just depends on the circumstances. In my opinion the only characters who are stronger than jotaro/dio are pucci, tooru and giorno.

@jotarokujo4250

Жыл бұрын

@@uc54321 if they get over heaven they are strongest

@zarc1145

Жыл бұрын

@@uc54321 i'd say johnny wins high-extreme diff if jotaro doesn't know tusk act 4's ability if he did know it's ability he could win cuz he is stronger than Diego

@uc54321

Жыл бұрын

@@zarc1145 that’s fair

Time Stop: My fav power Soft and Wet: My fav stand design GER: My favorite stand

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

W list

@Rhetorical_Ife

Жыл бұрын

@@BUR404 W person

@Rhetorical_Ife

Жыл бұрын

@@BUR404 and a W channel

5:40 man gave us 🤓, then went on to state the most 🤓 bullseye I've ever heard

There are only 3 joestars who can stand a chance Giorno ger 10000000000000000000/100 Johnny tusk act 4 50/100 Josuke soft and wet go beyond 35/100 Any other joestar will just get clapped by time stop or star platinum speed and strength

@7even799

Жыл бұрын

Johnny wins 70/100 Johnny at the end of part 7 can bypass timestop

@zackz7563

Жыл бұрын

Johnny destroys Jotaro pretty easily what, idk about josuke because i havent read part 8

@zarc1145

Жыл бұрын

@@7even799 tusk can't move freely in timestop only a few seconds so 50/100 is very accurate

@pedrooliveira6394

10 ай бұрын

@@7even799He can't bypass time stop did u read part 7?

Even though I agree with most of the statements here, there are two things I think were wrong in the video, about GER. 1. GER probably kept his form after the arrow fell, since with SCR, it never turned back until it was destroyed, or when the arrow was quickly pulled out by Polnareff, which could signify that the stand wont revert back unless the user wants it to. 2. The Requiem"ed" stand will always have the same ability, probably decided by fate, or by the wish of the user. Normal stands are decided by their fighting spirit, so it wouldnt surprise me requiem stands are decided by their most latent wish. We can confirm that theyll always have the same requiem ability because in EoH, which is canon, but other universe, Giorno uses the beetle arrow several times to transform GE, and the same stand ability appears. As to why Giorno wants back GE, its probably because it has better healing factors and can create life forms.

GER isn’t temporary btw, it’s a permanent buff to gold experience.

Jotaro: Star Platinum act 4

@Rando1481

Жыл бұрын

Jotaro : so it’s the same type as star plati- Johnny: I know tusk act z warudo

I mean i think Jokuke's Crazy Diamond with a rage amp might be on the same level of star platinum

Jonathan does have a stand and it's similar to hermit purple

diego only beat johney because valentine helped him out by letting him know a few things

without stands, joseph would be the strongest

@killuaxxd458

Жыл бұрын

Perfect kars?

@malimaui2802

Жыл бұрын

Without stands? Idk I think It would be Johnathan

@BluDr3w

Жыл бұрын

@@malimaui2802 joseph was designed to be better than johnathan in basically every way, but they could be interchangeable

@malimaui2802

Жыл бұрын

@@BluDr3w maybe story wise, but brute strength I don’t see it. They are both quick on their feet( battle smarts ), and are both good at Hamon. But, yeah could be interchangeable. The biggest difference between them is that Johnathan more so bulldozes through things, while Joseph relies more on trickery.

@BluDr3w

Жыл бұрын

@@killuaxxd458 strongest joestar*

6:12 it probably would still be the same ger seeing as the first time polnerrefe used the requiem arrow it had the same look and ability as the second time he used it

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

I think the only reason the ability was the same was because Polnareff always had the desire to protect the arrow and keep it away from dangerous individuals. The requiem ability was created to protect the arrow, that’s why SCR immediately tried to walk away with it when it first manifested. It was a lot more aggressive the second time around due to Polnareff learning the full truth about the arrow and wanting to to protect it even more. Gold Experience Requiem existed to counter King Crimsons time skip ability since that was Giorno’s main goal.

@GangStarTie

Жыл бұрын

Part 5 is all about fate he had the same ability as later because he was already fated to get that ability.

Only reason Jotaro died was because he became a dad, and we needed to kill him off he’s too OP

Would GER actually be immune to time stop? As far as we know he isn't actually immune to time skip. GER sent Diavolo's senses into frenzy like GE did to Bruno at the start and then beat him to death initiating the death loop. Both scenes are actually very similar with the GER one being akin to a more exaggerated version of it. Also I could be wrong but I swear even Araki himself said Time Stop was meant to be the best stand ability in the series.

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

I don't think Time Stop would work on GER. I'm not sure about that Araki interview but he also said Calamity is the most powerful stand ability

@reuv8441

Жыл бұрын

@@BUR404 the most powerful enemy*

@epic-gamer57

10 ай бұрын

​@@reuv8441🧢

The rat beat him though

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

Biggie Cheese would be proud

People don’t realise how OP star finger is like Jotaro can just stop time and use star finger at there heart and brain and there dead.

I’m my opinion I feel Jotaro would lose to gappy more often than not because star platinum wouldn’t being dodge go beyond bubble because do not exist you can’t really dodge /react to something that can’t be seen and doesn’t exist

This may seem out of topic, and that's because it is, but Josuke's Piano is beyond better and superior than Giorno's Piano OR Jotaro's Piano. I'll just say without evidence that Josuke will solo both Jotaro and Giorno with his theme, but especially with his Piano since it has come to this point that the JoJo Piano officially makes anyone win thanks to the immense popularity of giorno's theme, but it depends on how great the piano is. Jotaro may have had the Piano first as a background instrument, while Giorno have made it more menacing as a short 5 seconds solo side instrument, but Josuke has took it to the next level and even further beyond the next level as his main instrument from his theme while having made it with different epic playstyles with unique variations including cool add on's such as the Piano with the Strings or Violin, the Slide Whistle, and even the Guitar and Saxophone Leitmotif of Jotaro's Theme near the end of the Chorus of Josuke's Piano being the first chorus where Jotaro's Guitar Leitmotif played twice and the 4th and last chorus with Josuke's Piano with the Strings in which Jotaro's Sax Leitmotif played repeatedly as 4 times near the end... Mista isn't not going to be happy. The Piano is already the Most Powerful Instrument that a JoJo Theme can have, and yet Josuke somehow managed to Fix it and made it Better as if it wasn't already completey perfect which is why he is the JoJo who represents as the official owner of the JoJo Piano for having the most creative, active, played, and catchy Piano in his theme out of the rest, it's just sad that everyone has turned the spotlight to Giorno for having a meme worthy piano after being officially recognized as the "Best Part" in his theme and making him the JoJo Icon of having the most popular jojo theme and more well known as a meme song or a tiktok song while Josuke has been overshadowed and left in the dark despite having more potential and even more amount of effort put into his Piano while most people including a majority of jojo fans especially giorno theme fans, piano lovers and memers has been ignoring Josuke's Piano and his theme as a whole.

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't have said it better myself, Josuke's piano will remain superior unless Steel Ball Run or Jojolion somehow top it

@Jo-Wilbe-Dina

Жыл бұрын

@@BUR404 I must find at least 69 more people who agrees with you on that statement.

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

@@Jo-Wilbe-Dina That would make you a true legend. Good Luck

Purple ghost goes ora ora

Jonathan did have a stand, The Passion, but like Jolyne, didn’t receive it at birth. It wasn’t really strong, but he could predict his lineage, the Joestar Dynasty

Also GER has to touch you to reset your will to zero hence why Diavolo couldn't use his stand abilities, it's because his fighting will kept being reset to zero along with his actions. Just don't let GER touch you and you have a great chance

Insert Homer meme: If he's so strong, How come he's dead? Sorry i couldn't handle myself :( Btw saying that Giorno doesn't have Requiem stand is actually pretty convincing

HOW I TRULY THINK JOHNNY VS JOTARO WOULD GO ; (*Bold dialouge is for jotaro*, unbolded is for johnny.) "*Star platinum, ZA WARUDO*" (Johnny uses Wormholes) *" I have 5 seconds, to beat your ass. More then enough- what the fuc-"*

So while I like the video, I feel like the GER section is making several unfounded assumptions. We do not know if Gold Experience Requiem reverted back to Gold Experience because, even though the Arrow fell out, we never saw Giorno manifest his Stand again. While there's a possibility it reverted back to Gold Experience, we do not know that for certain as the limits and specific rules of Requiem stands haven't been fully elaborated on(Chariot Requiem did not always have a grip on the beetle arrow nor was it embedded in the Stand itself). Additionally, for the above mentioned reason, there's nothing to suggest that GER would have different abilities if it was brought out again. Finally, in regards to GER vs Time Stop, I think "Revert to Zero" is one of the only stand abilities that could affect it because Giorno does not even have to be conscious to activate it. We've seen Made in Heaven shorten Time Stop and Tusk ACT 4 move briefly in Time Stop, so we know there's precedent for unrelated but powerful abilities potentially affecting Time Stop in some way.

If this dude mentioned eyes of heaven jotaro it would have made more sense despite it not being canon

Can you also do a video for Josuke Higashikata. About the untapped potential of his stand crazy diamond that technically has Matter manipulation and how can negatate durability by fixing the bodies of others by fixing it incorrectly Josuke so badass he didn't need to have a powerup to defeat the main villain

Bro still got bodied by a couple of sniper rats and a speedy Priest both in 5 minutes each.

@sadistic_sid5479

Жыл бұрын

@Star-Universe-Requiem I'm joking, relax

4:03 Correction: Jotaro had 0.5 seconds of Time Stop at the beginning of part 4, he gained 2 seconds at the end of the part

Giorni: do i look like a joke to you??

If jotaro was smart and immediatly goes for kills, then he would solo all of the joestars

Seeing how you mentioned Part 8 Joseph, who’d win Part 2 Joseph or Part 8 Joseph?

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

I think Part 2 Joseph would win, he may not be able to see Hermit Purple but he’s incredibly creative and unpredictable with Hamon. It would definitely be a high difficulty fight but Part 2 Joseph has enough in his arsenal to win

@ZAPRST8879

Жыл бұрын

@@BUR404 It's been said by Araki that part 2 joseph had hermit purple it just that he never met anyone with a stand

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS JOTARO’S TRUE POTENTIAL

@Gappys6thTesticle

Жыл бұрын

eh, id put him number 4 on my list 🗿

I do like this video, you bring up some good points. However, I don't think Giorno lost GER's abilities once the arrow fell out. We can see with Silver Chariot Requiem that Polnareff kept its abilities even after the arrow was taken away. Once a Requiem Stand's abilities are determined, they stay the same. Also, even if Giorno lost GER's abilities, he would get new ones that can beat Jotaro. A Requiem Stand's abilities are determined by what the Stand user desires most in the moment of being pierced by the arrow, Polnareff wanted to keep the arrow safe, and SCR does exactly that, switching people's souls and making it nearly impossible to take the arrow from SCR. All Giorno wanted when he obtained Requiem was to defeat Diavolo, and he got an ability that makes him untouchable, and put Diavolo in an infinite loop of death, defeating him for the rest of time. And, if you consider Bites the Dust a Requiem Stand, that still applies. When Kira got Bites the Dust, he had just killed Hayato and just wanted to live a quiet life in peace without being discovered, and Bites the Dust does exactly that by making it to where whenever anyone discovers his true identity, they die, and time gets rewound by an hour, to before they found out about Kira. So even if Giorno lost GER's abilities, when he gets pierced by the arrow again, he would get an ability that can beat Jotaro. And I am undecided on Jotaro vs Johnny or Gappy. Like you said, Jotaro and Johnny both have one shot abilities, Johnny can end the fight in one punch, using the infinite rotation, and Jotaro can do the same, having displayed the strength to donut people. And Soft And Wet has a one shot as well, if he lands a bubble on Jotaro, he can take his eyesight, and then Gappy would win, but Jotaro could just stop time and donut Gappy.

Araki claimed in early part 6 manga that Star Platinum has the strongest stand ability ever. I belive that Star Platinum can defeat GER too.

@weslei7169

Жыл бұрын

When in the actual fuck he said that

I dissagree with Gappy

I think after some thought about how GER works, Time Stop might not be returned to 0. GER only affects attacks on Giorno, and Time Stop is universal, and doesn't target people. The question is whether or not GER can act in stopped time or not.

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

You can make the argument that time skip is also universal as it affected people Diavolo wasn't fighting

@7even799

Жыл бұрын

No GER reverts any actions to zero timestop is an action so it will he set to zero

@kelvyiturralde8111

Жыл бұрын

@@7even799 if that’s the case, Pucci’s universal reset wouldn’t have happened. Also consider that he didn’t revert Diavolo to Zero during the time skip, he reverted him to zero when he was about to attack.

@7even799

Жыл бұрын

@@kelvyiturralde8111 Ger was unaware of Pucci so it wasn’t considered a threat to Giorno and we see that everything around Giorno reverts to zero even the bees and birds flying backwards and the leaves returning to the tree Also it’s literally stated that RTZ is the ability to return all actions to zero

@bluebandit9715

Жыл бұрын

Time stop wouldn't be affected until jotaro tries to his Giorno you are correct about that but ger would still win

Counter arguement to your GER's point: - There's literally NOTHING state that Giorno cannot use GER after Golden Wind, that arrow fell out after achieved it's purpose is a good point, but Requiem (Silver Chariot) Literally carrying the Arrow and WALKING AROUND with it in its hand. So there's nothing confirmed that Arrow escaped body = No more Requiem. - Giorno doesn't need to manifes nor mastered GER's abilities, it can literally manifes and control itself just fine like Spicy Girl or Echoes act 4 or even WOU to a certain extent. So no, Jotaro within range + Time stop will just be the same with Diavolo's Time Skip. - Even if we're not talking about RTZ or Time stop ability, Ger still has better overall stats than SP by him just shooting rock at Diavolo and it destroyed building, it can literally fly, heal and manifes its surrounding objects without touching it with RTZ putting on top make it almost a perfect stand. SP's ability is literally just punching people, fade in objects and stop time. I agree of everything else you said, Jotaro and his SP would literally solo every Joestar out there but not Giorno with GER, dude was not in Stone Ocean for specific reason.

How would Jotaro be able to dodge the Go Beyond bubble if it is invisible? Star Platinum has enhanced eye site I know but that doesn't excuse the fact that the bubbles literally don't even exist.

@potturtle366

11 ай бұрын

yeah idk man its really strange

Trish stated that the arrow forever belongd to Giorno but that doesnt matter since a part 6 guide stand guide stated that star platinum is the ultimate stand. And rtz wouldnt work agianst ts as it is no direct attack. And there is no forces that can exist other than a ts stand in time stop.

@Saibotedits747

Ай бұрын

A guidebook in part 7 also says that ger is the ultimate stand along with tusk act 4, d4c love train, and made in heaven. The part 7 guidebook is more up to date so ger>star platinum. Also ger turned back into ge at the end of part 5.

Good video, soft and wet go beyond's bubbles move through logic it's self, so maybe it can move in time stop like tusk act 4

@toothierlion3525

Жыл бұрын

It’s def can since it defies all logic and time stop is logical

@FunandStuff88

Жыл бұрын

I think it probably would. But Josuke would still be frozen and vulnerable. And I agree with the video that the bubbles could probably be dodged pretty easily. Remember that Star Platinum bested at least a dozen powerful stands before he even had access to time stop. He’s not helpless against abilities that ignore it.

This dude straight up has the worst takes in the Jojo fandom

I agree and mostly on the Giorno part because 90% of Giorno fans think GER was still around at the end

@Epremte

Жыл бұрын

@captlevi4232 No that's not how requiem works, if he were to stab himself now he wouldn't get anything without an opponent or without having an idea of what he needs to overcome. If he did have an opponent he'd get something that can overcome that opponent's ability. Requiem doesn't work like some kind of switch that you can just turn on and off whenever you want to ahahahha.

@Epremte

Жыл бұрын

@captlevi4232 Yes because Polnareff's goal was to protect the arrow that's why it was the same and it's not theories it's how requiem works it gives the user's stand the ability to overcome whatever they need to overcome it's a very simple concept that was displayed 3 times lol.

Actually Jonathan does have a stand, Dio uses it when he acquires his body and it’s how he has foresight like Joseph. If Jonathan survived longer he would have awakened it and been able to see stands.

You glazing a lot of these people would beat jotaro

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

Only Giorno and Johnny beat Jotaro

Could Jotaro defeat Wonder of U on stopped time? Or he would be unable to Even be close to his user.

@BUR404

Жыл бұрын

Wonder of U’s Calamity is basically logic itself, which everything follows, including time. Since Time Stop still has elements of logic such as Jotaro and Dio being able to interact with objects, that means they’d still be attacked by calamity and thus lose against Wonder of U

also johathan did have stand technically, since dio had 2 stands that were shown in part 3

Another thing Giorno, Johnny, and Josuke (Gappy) all had to evolve their stands to defeat the enemy meanwhile Jotaro didn't and just made Star Platinum learn ts.

@josephjewstar3145

Жыл бұрын

It is kind of an evolution, just not as drastic as GER, Tusk Act 4, or Soft & Wet: Go Beyond. We can see in the part 6, and I believe part 4 as well, stand stats, that Star Platinum's name was changed to Star Platinum: The World, he changed appearance as well. And Jotaro only beat Dio by learning timestop, without evolving Star Platinum, he wouldn't have won. But that is just my take on it.

@yurielicay9757

Жыл бұрын

@@josephjewstar3145 I believe Araki just wanted to change SP:TW's appearance maybe to match Jotaro's color scheme or stands age along side with humans and change appearance overtime with their user. I play Pokemon and when I level up a Pokemon to certain level it learns a new move kinda like SP he reach a certain level of mastery and learned how to stop time because he observed from TW. The stat change maybe it's because Jotaro stopped using SP:TW so his stats decrease. So my opinion SP did not evolved just gotten more experienced and learned moves. Also If Jotaro ages backwards SP grows backwards pretty neat fact right :).

young joseph has a stand , the creator said that if the crusaders went back they would see hermit purple on young joseph oh yeah also he might of activated it during KARS so that may mean that it beat a god

And when we add the OVER HEAVEN to it he is strongest in his verse and others verses as well

@MosquitoDoidoMaluco

Жыл бұрын

Chill

@nicholasaugello2534

Жыл бұрын

There are non canon characters from the Jojo verse above this non canon version of this Jojo , Pretty sure Light novel Kars stomps

In terms of Stand power (Yes, Yes, Yes!) when it comes to close range attacks, but his creatively makes up for it by just throwing objects at high speeds into his targets like firing off a sniper. But if he fights against Jonathan without his Stand power, he will get the living poop beaten outta of him. But like with Joseph, Jotare isn't gonna fight fair. So it depends who gonna strike first and what environment and if as well other aspects.

All he has to do is say “so it’s the same type of stand” and then it’s over lmao

I am the 92nd liker Btw jojolion Joseph lasts 2 time stops(5s time stop)

Ger enthusiasts coming to the comments all angry (they're gonna say ger solos every joestar):

so act 4 is the same type of stand huh? :star platnium turns into star platnium :the world act4:

Surprised me with the GER reverted theory .

Its funny that the biggest reason pucci won against him is because it wasnt a 1v1 fight

@The-Beyonder

Жыл бұрын

It's funny how you forget Jotaro had anasui as a handicap cuz Pucci was too fast and would've died without him earlier in the MIH fight. Jotaro is really strong and would beat Pucci in almost any scenario that doesn't involve Jolyne, but it's just a little dishonest to say he'd win 1v1 against MIH.

@rimsky7590

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@@The-Beyonder, proving anything to the Jotaro fanboys is useless, they'll still pull other shitty excuses out of their asses anyway.

i think gappy could win this, because his go beyond bubbles come out of his birthmark, not s&ws fingers. So if jotaro were to get into range for a barrage he would just get smacked down by a go beyond bubble instantly no matter if gappys stand is summoned or not

@yoaveragelostmain1862

Жыл бұрын

also if we assume that jotaro gets to fight with peak star plat, meaning the one at the end of part 3 with a non-nerfed timestop and overall stats why would every other joestar need to fight with base-form stands?

Giorno: nuh uh

Crazy diamond faught a jotoaro who's star platinum was still the same strength and speed just rusty. CD vs sp would be probably relative or about 50/50

@Saibotedits747

Ай бұрын

He didn't touch mista, the leaves falling off the tree and the birds flying, yet they all got rested back to zero. And the games also implies that ger can just use return to zero on you without touching you.

True, Jotaro is too strong. The only Stand users that for sure beats him are Giorno with Ger, and I guess Wou. But Jotaro should be able to beat everyone else, especially when it comes to character's own power. He is indeed stronger than Johnny and Tusk Act 4. He is stronger than Dio without a question (people who think otherwise didn't understand their fight), he is also stronger than Diavolo for example. Pucci with MiH also can't beat him in a fair one on one fight. I don’t want to write a big comment again to explain why, but I will if necessary. Many people still don't understand how mih works and why it can't beat Jotaro. Overall, Jotaro is a monster, za warudo is so OP, especially when used by someone as smart as Jotaro.

Go Beyond would beat Star Platinum stop the cap. Jotaro handily loses to Giorno, Johnny (unless he has prep time and knew Johnny's ability as shown in the Diego fight), and Josuke 8

This guy shpittin straight facts

Give Giorno one free hit? Where did you come up with that? And also why would that free hit not give Jotaro permanent brain damage or death as Bruno expressed?

jesus joestar

Tusk4 beats star platinum. Also almost everything you said about GER is speculative.

this didnt age well 0:41

Star Platinum is underused lol

I think Jonathan's being a bit downplayed

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

He’s the weakest jojo

I feel jotaro should’ve beaten Pucci. The fact that a stand user without the ability to stop time is able to bs his way into dodging that spear was just lazy writing. What seems to be the way that jotaro could move in dips timestop is because he was another stand user who could stop time. As only jotaro and dio were aware when their opponents stopped time. So it doesn’t make sense that pucci could be aware that time was stopped.

@josephjewstar3145

Жыл бұрын

The reason C-Moon was able to make Pucci aware of time stop was due to its gravity manipulation ability, it's the same reason Tusk Act 4 was able to slightly move in Diego's time stop.

@_l0unce_

Жыл бұрын

@@josephjewstar3145 I haven’t seen anything last stone ocean so correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that the only reason tusk could move slightly in the timestop was because it’s a holy stand, or it’s a stand that was acquired through the user merging with parts of Jesus’ corpse. Diego had merged with Jesus’ eye to get a powerful stand that could stop time. You could say that it was because pucci fused with an alien baby, or because people who have stand abilities that mess with the fabric of reality (like stopping time and controlling gravity) are able to move within a timestop since both are users of stands that mess with reality. Even if you said that anyone can move in a timestop if their fighting spirit is strong enough. Pucci shouldn’t have been able to dodge that arrow. Pucci is just a regular guy, and he doesn’t have that strong of a fighting spirit. With the power of the green baby, he could barely move his EYES in a timestop, but he shouldn’t have been able to dodge the arrow. Pucci is just a normal guy. He doesn’t have that much fighting experience so he shouldn’t have that fast of a reaction time to dodge a spear thrown by star platinum. Star platinums arms are so strong that he can bust a hole in the wall bigger than his size(fucking 6’5) without even punching that hard. If you have any complaints about my arguement, feel free to tell me

@josephjewstar3145

Жыл бұрын

@@_l0unce_ I don't even know how Pucci was fast enough to dodge the spear. And I don't remember the specifics of it, but Tusk Act 4's timestop movement is related to his infinite rotation ability.

Ummm actually giorno with GER is the strongest 🤓

Giorno still has GER actually

@nicholasaugello2534

Жыл бұрын

Kinda irrelevant cuz his own universe got reset and he didn't reset it 😂

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasaugello2534 he didn’t reset it cause it wasn’t a threat to Giorno

@nicholasaugello2534

Жыл бұрын

@@zaneplayztmcsgo2252 that literally makes zero sense, that's why I don't think he has it anymore. Because something that should threaten you should be your entire world being reset

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasaugello2534 the universe didn’t get reset like that. Everyone and everything was placed back in the new universe if they were alive. Ppl like jotaro were replaced since they died. This Giorno and GER would go to the new universe thus no threat. Also Araki make GER unbeatable

umm Johhnny? Gappy and Giorno???

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

Жыл бұрын

also josuke was stated to be stronger

never rate again

Giorno with ger and Johnny with act four are the strongest wdym

Also great content subscribed

All that to get beat by a tiny rock

time stop isn't OP, tusk has timestop negation, bullets scale to MFTL+ he can't grab infnite rotation energy that makes no sense. Even Gyro has better stregnth feats and scales higher than jotaro. Also Johnny learned how to walk and use infite rotation energy wtihout a horse. Tusk also scales same speed and strength as star platnium

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

So you clearly just didn’t read the manga Timestop is WAY to op because the only way to beat it is to have timestop or and ability that’s extremely broken like the infinite spin or RTZ And no both TA4 or BB haven’t shown strength that rivals star platinum

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

Жыл бұрын

@@Dronk.D.Scales nah bb and ta4 have better strength feats they breaking opening dimensional barriers with the steel balls abd they’re own hands to damage Valentine

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

Жыл бұрын

@@Dronk.D.Scales 5 second time stop isn’t that op and jotaro can’t even use it consistently to spam

Cappp Soft and wet likely could keep up with jotaro’s barrages if not faster

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

Um no absolutely NOT soft and wet is nowhere near as fast as Star platinum

I disagree, given how DIO in part 3 is weaker than he was in part 1, Jonathan should upscale from DIO in part 3 and all the feats would apply to him. Jonathan who fought DIO in part 1, would have power comparable to Jotaro. Joseph who fought the Pillar Men who massively upscale from vampires like DIO, would be stronger than Jonathan. Josuke in part 4 was able push Jotaro to use time stop, as he was faster and stronger. There’s no evidence to say Jotaro got weaker, as the only statement that even talks about him being weaker was his time stop, not his strength and speed. Considering how Jotaro’s stats are the same as in part 3, it implies that Araki still thinks Jotaro is just as fast and strong as he was in part 3. The only ones that don’t have a chance are Giorno and Jolyne, Giorno because the best he can scale to is Bruno, Bruno who fought Diavolo who was comparable to Polnareff. Polnareff with just Silver Chariot is too weak and slow as he fought Anubis who gave Polnareff trouble and almost died. Jotaro easily defeated the second user of Anubis while holding back, and Silver Chariot amped Anubis is even faster and got faster as the fight progressed. Jotaro kept up with him, despite the amps in speed putting Jotaro way above Polnareff in speed. Jotaro is stated in part 6 to be the strongest stand, so Jolyne would be weaker than Jotaro. Bottomline, Jotaro isn’t the strongest. Including the other Joestars from parts 7 and 8 Jotaro doesn’t stand a chance. Johnny’s infinite rotation scaling off from D4C love train who transcends dimensions is just way above anything Jotaro has. The Go Beyond bubbles can be scaled to immeasurable speed, which is faster than anything Jotaro has done.

@roberteriksson1248

Жыл бұрын

Alas, that’s not how this works, jotaro could beat the pillar men, even if he couldn’t doesn’t mean Joseph beats him. Because paper beats rock and rock beats scissors, does paper beat scissors? No, scissors beat paper.

@reflex9238

Жыл бұрын

@@roberteriksson1248 That's assuming this is rock paper scissors to begin with. Unless you have an argument for why the Pillar Men don't upscale from DIO the scaling is valid.

@kaisac.

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I remember how dio is weaker because he didn't have a stand that stopped time

@reflex9238

Жыл бұрын

@@kaisac. it’s not like stop time really helps at all, as it doesn’t make him any stronger than the Pillar Men.

@roberteriksson1248

Жыл бұрын

Stop time does help a ton, it allows jotaro to attack a lot more and a lot safer and he can also use it to dodge attacks. And stands at the highest level are like Rock Paper Scissors, Diego beat Johnny who beat funny valentine but Diego with the world can’t beat love train because he can’t attack it, the misfortune would be redirected. Power scaling by who beats who doesn’t really work in jojo unless you are comparing very similar stands.

Unpopular opinion: Joseph can defeat any jojo character bro literally defeated the ultimate life form and outsmart a 400 iq character with mid diff ( kars) sorry man but I think he can outsmart Giorno with ease and he's stronger than jotaro ( jotaro is slightly above dio and the wold which they're waaaaaaay weaker than the pillar men and Joseph defeated them )

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

Joseph never defeated Kars it’s clearly stated by Joseph himself that it was all just pure luck that was timed right and he admits to himself that he didn’t plan it So no Joseph never defeated Kars at all and the only jojo he beats in a fight is Jonathan

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

And no star platinum, crazy Diamond and the world >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base pillar men And the only reason Joseph could beat the pillar men was because hamon is a hard counter for them hamon to pillar men is like kryptonite to superman And again Joseph NEVER beat ULF KARS

@fireplays754

Жыл бұрын

@@Dronk.D.Scales bro dio and the world are somewhat equal in straight and the pillar men are waaaay stronger than dio so pillar men are waaaay stronger than star platinum and the world

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

@@fireplays754 wrong so wrong The World is MUCH stronger then any vampire in jojo in fact all stands with B or above tier physical strength are stronger then vampires Dio and the world do not share the same strength TW is much stronger And no the pillar men in base form are not stronger than stands like TW, CD or SP. only ULF Kars is but Joseph didn’t beat ULF Kars it was fate/pure luck that did all the work

@fireplays754

Жыл бұрын

@@Dronk.D.Scales wrong the world and vampire dio are close in power like when he throw the road roller he was over powering SP even with the rage buff because he and TW the two of them were pushing it and in the manga just dio was overpowering SP So dio is close in power with sp and tw and we know that the pillar men are waaaaaaay stronger than dio so they're above sp and tw

Gappy is also relative strength and speed to star platnium and gappy trascneds logic, easily and outversal, gappy has way higher AP.

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

Wrong soft and wet is nowhere near as physically strong or fast as Star platinum

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

Жыл бұрын

@@Dronk.D.Scales that is true however, speed and strength are irrelevant since he simply outscales jotaro since his hax are outerversal

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

@@zaneplayztmcsgo2252 The bubbles may be able to ignore timestop but their not a 1 hit kill since WOU survived a hit and Jotaro is much faster then the bubbles

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

Жыл бұрын

@@Dronk.D.Scales can’t compare durability of WOU to jotaro he is rock person who lived for like 10000 years also the bubbles don’t exist therefore he wouldn’t even see them technically

@zaneplayztmcsgo2252

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@@Dronk.D.Scales anyways since his ap is outer speed is out of the equation

Jolyne also has better stregnth feats than jotaro

@Dronk.D.Scales

Жыл бұрын

Wrong you obviously know nothing about jojo Jolyne has ZERO strength that even come close to Jotaro lmao you clearly haven’t read the manga Jolyne best strength feat was hitting a small meteor the size of a football while Jotaro was using star platinums punches to push back a 20 ton road roller being forced on him by the world’s strength So no your just simply mistaken Jotaro >>>>>> Jolyne in terms of strength feats