Joker is supposed to be a criminal mastermind. Fleck just shoots some guys with a gun... This isn't The Joker, but joker paint slapped onto a completely different character.

@tonyfendex2558

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you. This is NOT the Joker at all!!!

@tonyfendex2558

2 ай бұрын

Christopher Noland's Joker is the best Joker EVER!!!

@UNKN0WNN.v

Ай бұрын

Thats not a bad thing its literally just a differant interpretation of a character

@Yo_Cami

Ай бұрын

​​​@@UNKN0WNN.v There is a difference between different interpretations and different characters. You need to respect the themes and motifs of the characters. Personally, it is a good movie but a bad Joker and it is okay 🎉

@mightguy3118

2 күн бұрын

​​@@UNKN0WNN.vBro there's a difference between a different interpretation of a character and a completely different character. It's like me naming a movie Batman but not having him be a crime fighting vigilante. That's not Batman. Every Joker interpretation has been different but they're still the same character and all are criminal masterminds and the crime Prince of Gotham. Which author will never be. In fact Todd Phillips just posted saying don't expect him to become the crime Prince of Gotham in Joker 2.

I agree with most of this, but your criticisms about Murray letting Joker on despite his makeup and name are because he wants to make fun of him for content, he's putting up with it for gits and shiggles

The King Of comedy was the main inspiration for Joker. Its plot is EXTREMELY similar.

why people think shock value equals good writing

@HunterMagunter

11 ай бұрын

Cuz 90% of people have the IQ of fish

@cappedminer369

6 ай бұрын

joker 2019's shocking content is not there because of shock value

@super8bitable

5 ай бұрын

@@cappedminer369I like the movie but it kinda is tho lol

@cappedminer369

5 ай бұрын

@@super8bitable not it is not, it's deserving of the praise

@johndong4754

2 ай бұрын

​@@cappedminer369 It really wasnt that great of a movie

1. It portrays Joker as a victim.

Man, that quote from Tarantino is rich. This coming from a man who once said, "I steal from every single movie ever made." Oh, and the overdose, adrenalin heart shot scene in Pulp Fiction, was a true story lifted from Scorsese's 1978 documentary "American Boy: A Portrait of Steven Prince." Steven tells this story, which is practically word for word of what happened in PF. You can find it on KZread.

This movie proves that a movie cannot just be a movie. This movie is fine, shot great, acted great, the music is great, excellent vibe, and a new take on a character that needs new takes. I’ve never seen such a good movie get shit on.

@UNKN0WNN.v

Ай бұрын

Ikr

I can't believe how much he spoke about it ultimately being about the importance of kindness. Where, Todd?? He really said with his full chest 'this movie will inspire the next generation of filmmakers' when so much of his work here is so blatantly stolen with none of the skill or insight of Scorsese, speaking of your deconstruction of how Scorsese uses certain techniques to either satirise or criticise his characters POV whilst inhabiting them compared to Phillips completely failing to do this was so well done. Another great video, I really enjoyed watching it and congratulations on finishing it! :)

@cappedminer369

5 ай бұрын

1. the parts where it tells you kindness is important are: a) the hallucinations arthur has with his crush, along with the scene where he is in her apartment and she is kind to him even tho he broke in. b) the part where he kills his co-worker who framed except for Randel the little guy who never did anything wrong to him ! c) the part where the guy who brought up his file was polite when he said he wasn't allowed to show it and even suggested help. it's done with something called subtly. 2. he didn't exactly rip off, just because something is similar that doesn't mean it's a ripoff ! parallels are not plagiarism !

@anonymous891

4 ай бұрын

Clearly u don't know difference btw inspiration and rip off!!

@Tyrone1336

3 ай бұрын

Girl doesn't know about inspiration and ripping off 😂, like ripping off other material and scenarios are there since the time movies were being produced even artist ripp off eachother to create masterpiece songs but seems like someone doesn't understand the industry 😂.

@barisbal7782

Ай бұрын

@@cappedminer369 except we can throw a, b and c in a trash can now, because this movie made sure that every scene has a potential to be arthur's delusion. which undermines the message and sabotages anything about its own plot that is worth investment. his crush wasnt even close to being kind to him. she freaked out when she saw him in her home and they made it clear what between them was just his imagination. we cannot say how many of those people truly wronged him. we cannot tell if those white collars were truly assaulting him or if he just killed them for some adrenaline and attention then imagined this way we cannot tell if randall set him up or gave the gun with truly good intentions but after he heard that this idiot brought it to a children's hospital, decided to wash his hands off of him. and what was this ''unkind'' act murray showed that arthur think he deserved a bullet to his face ? the story present you someone who just imagine things how ever he likes no matter if people treats him good or bad. so again ?

@cappedminer369

Ай бұрын

​@@barisbal7782 1. it does not undermine the message the movie gives, the whole point is that Arthur is an unreliable narrator, we see things through his perspective 2. his crush was kind to him even when he showed up in her home, also she wasn't outright mean to him when Arthur did the gun to the head thing as he thought he did the joke to her in the hall. Arthur dreamed up some of the interactions but not all 2. those 3 guys Arthur killed on the subway were harming him, even the news seemed to acknowledged their deaths. 3. Arthur told his boss Randall game it to him to defend himself against the teens who attacked him 4. the unkind thing Murray did was invite him on the show SOLEY to make fun of him as he did when he showed his comedy performance one night 5. the reason Arthur has them is because of his injuries from his adopted moms abusive husband beatings and when he was chained to a radiator mixed with the head trauma !

I think the film is not really overrated, but it seemed such a big success because of the fact that it was welcomed by so many young boys who identify with the main character for some reason. Many young people are lonely and there is and epidemic of mental issues in modern society, so I understand why people would be attracted by this film. I don't have this mental issues so the Joker didn't speak to me that much. What is perceived as success may fade away with time, as demonstrated by some old films which were very popular at the time and now nobody even watch them.

I think you need to understand that all literature borrows from previous works. Tarrantino would call it an 'homage'. Every work of art uses the past to get a message across.

this was great you def deserve more attention

22:51 I think every individual scene where something bad happens to him isn't too cheesy/unrealistic by itself. I think the thing that makes them cartoonish and unrealistic is the fact that it's the only thing that he has in his life and there isn't any single semblence of hope or good from humanity in his life at all. It feels like the world is just playing a joke on him and making his luck so terrible that there isn't a shred of common humanity or positive coping strategies for him

If I had a nickel for every time a homophobic and/or transphobic bigot made a lame rip off of something because “wokeness” meant that they couldn’t be bigoted, I’d probably have quite a few nickels. Honestly I only liked Joker because it was somewhat Batman related (plus the Joker used to be my favorite DC character). Years later though the sizeable incel portion of the film’s fanbase completely ruined it for me. (EDIT: The subtitles saying “PIG” when the cop is talking is sending me 💀)

I think its a great movie but its NOT a joker movie that awkward guy isnt the joker at all. And movie was like remake of jerry lewis king of comedy. But hey its just different origin. If joker is going to have one it should be multiple choice

@mightguy3118

2 күн бұрын

It feels like this was going to be a movie about mental illness but they decided to slap the name Joker on it to make more money. If this was a regular mental illness film I doubt it would make 1 billion like it did.

I really like this movie. But how they got away with that script I don't understand. 70% off the script are just stolen from Taxi Driver and King of Comedy I find that very lazy. I hope the script for the sequel is better and more original.

awesome! you'll be big one day

Great video dude you deserve more subs. Heres one more

Liked and subbed. This is a really high-quality video, and you argue your points very well. When I saw Joker it left a bad taste in my mouth, but I couldn't articulate why other than it's overly dark and pretentious. You brought up some great points that I never even thought about, especially the role of Black women in the movie. My only critique is the use of random clips from other media got a little distracting sometimes, but that's more of a stylistic thing.

@DaveTalksTooMuch

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the compliments and useful feedback Brie! It's a pretty bloated video so I appreciate hearing ways I can be more concise with my future work. The silly jokes I splice in are just for some levity but I'll experiment with maybe dialling them down or making them less jarring somehow.

Thank you for this! I applaud any and all things critical of this overwritten, overhyped, and overrated mess of a film that is Joker. I will watch it in full soon. 😊

@jessicapinkman-hd4bw

8 ай бұрын

so you're hating on a film before you've even fully seen it

@wet-read

8 ай бұрын

@@jessicapinkman-hd4bw I guess that I could have worded that better. I meant that I hadn't seen this entire video essay at the time of this post, not the film it speaks of.

17:22 - it's not tho, I must point out to the respective YMS's video, it's a blast

Teach me how to make 2 hour long movie video essays

the lion king did not rip off kimba the white lion!

You'd have this string of good arguments and observations then add less than necessary a gen z-ish word or bit of take on it and ok fine, but that moronic argument about the black women near the end, whether that 's yours or you're just entertaining it, even if true is not a valid reason why it could be considered overrated, this is just "emotional woke overanalyzing" There's no reason it should be in here... This was so close to being a decent video.

Arthur: nobody is civil anymore!!! Also Arthur: *blam blam blam!!!

@cappedminer369

Ай бұрын

thats not how it goes

@Brad__McCormick

Ай бұрын

@@cappedminer369that’s exactly how it goes. And this Joker cries like a frigging baby.

@cappedminer369

Ай бұрын

@@Brad__McCormick sure...because someone who gets beaten down, mocked on tv, learns the truth about their mother who kept a horrible secret from him, got set up by a co-worker who he thought was helping him and got called on live tv solely to be made fun of and was tired of it all, sure bud, bathe in your delusions

@Brad__McCormick

Ай бұрын

@@cappedminer369I’m glad the movie brainwashed you into condoning violence. Unlike Taxi Driver, which this movie wants to be, Arthur isn’t trying to save anyone the way Bickle did. And that’s why the movie, and his character, sucked. Hard.

@cappedminer369

Ай бұрын

@@Brad__McCormick 1. Who the fuck are you calling brainwashed. Rich coming from you. 2. Why would Arthur try to save those who wrong him ? He didn’t even kill those who weren’t rude to him. 3. Just because something takes inspiration from something doesn’t mean it’s plagiarism. 4. I never seen taxi driver so I’m not gonna make any assumptions in there.

Not even finished and instant sub.

@DaveTalksTooMuch

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to my cult haha. Thanks for the sub!

If you take out the word Joker and called it something else, it would be lucky to make 300 million if that

Thank you for a legitimate critique… I agree. Way over rated and I knew it when I walked out of the theater and I get like an insane person hearing the praise it was receiving. It’s literally a polished piece of poo. Has the bones of two actually good films with the skin of a super hero villain and executed by extremely renowned artists. … the dancing was cringe.

Joker is a joke for me,just like end"overrated"game. Marvel created and build this avenger universe for more than decades to give us some elementary senseless kids fight scene. Just some street rats coming from their hole and fight to get a cheese. And there are so many lame things in endgame and othere avenger movies. Huge vacuum avenger universe.

Regarding your criticism of the treatment of black women, no matter how much it makes sense it cannot be whitheld against the movie to knock it down as there are plenty more movies which flip the narrative to the other race for ex. in the batman all black people are put up as the ones trying to do the right thing (except Bruce and alfed ofc, tbf not even alfred because he does literally nothing in the movie), the new mayor candidate is black, gordan has been race swaped and kyle is black too.Even though things like this are hard to ignore after being noticed, they cannot be used as a valid criticism in my opinion. Great video Dave, love the hard work and points you made.

I said it was the biggest taxi driver hack job ever when I watched it and I’m a little surprised people noticed, cause i felt gaslit by the whole thing. Mediocre film.

@Robert_Daniel

Ай бұрын

besides both films being about a compulsive male loner lashing out at the world, I don’t really see how the two are that similar.

I felt it was a terrible(yes, my opinion) movie, but I would never be able to explain that deep. Great video!

@theprophet9429

10 ай бұрын

It’s a movie that fooled idiots. Its a dreadful movie. Laughably bad.

@wet-read

9 ай бұрын

I would be happy to post my short essay length, bulleted criticisms of Joker if you wish!

@luciodias4901

9 ай бұрын

@@wet-read I would sure like to see it, if I understand what you said.

1:07:30 (Time stamp I’m saving)

"i have a condition that causes me to laugh when im sad" *grabs remote, turns off film*

I'm not sure if you mentioned this to much detail, but I think one major thing that I disliked about Joker compared to Taxi Driver was its shooting/attempted shooting of the rich white dudes. In both Joker and Taxi Driver, the protagonists end up shooting a person they dislike for their own reasons. What Taxi Driver did really well was make the shootout "justified" by only using Travis's thoughts. Palantine represents unity and society, much like how Murray represents positive attention and fatherhood. Travis's attempted shooting of palantine represents him hating society and positive change, just like how Murray's shooting represents Joker's hate of being positively accepted. What makes Joker's shooting worse is that they have this unnecessary interaction where Murray makes fun of Arthur directly. Like... why? We already have the ingredients to make Arthur hate Murray. Arthur is ignored until he kills the subway dudes. He has already realized that maybe being hateful is the only way to get truly accepted. Having Murray mock him on TV seems like the film just really wants to shove into your face more bland justification for Arthur's shooting. The original message of disliking positive attention gets muddled with Murray mocking Arthur, the film just HAS to kick Arthur in the chest and scream "society bad!!!!" no matter what, even if it means stymying genuine character arcs. It's so annoying.

Man, this is the best review of the Joker I've ever seen.

I loved this video, but i must say you're too politically motivated. I'm not on either side of the political battle and I feel like constantly making it known you're not conservative takes away from your clear talent as a content creator. Peace and love.

@DaveTalksTooMuch

11 ай бұрын

Fair point. I made this almost 2 years ago and when I skim through it now, I can see what you mean. Appreciate the feedback! Peace and love.

@fettypaige4551

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@DaveTalksTooMuchnah, you’re good. Better to inject your personal views than to make a boring movie review. You can’t please everyone anyway

Marty approved it so I don't get the issue. It's only the haters who got problem with it.

brilliant analysis! this is the best video on the joker! you got it spot on

I'll comment more when I've finished watching

@gross_john

2 жыл бұрын

"joyless and self-indulgent drag" yess

@gross_john

2 жыл бұрын

it goes so far beyond homage and inspiration. the analogy I made was that Scorsese is Banksy and Phillips is Mr. Brainwash (you have to see Exit Through the Gift Shop for that to make sense)

@gross_john

2 жыл бұрын

great idea to encourage the audience to take a coffee break

@gross_john

2 жыл бұрын

king of comedy is very underrated and contrasted with Joker its so superior in every way

@DaveTalksTooMuch

2 жыл бұрын

It's hard to tell when people have actually sat through the entire thing so your comments are much appreciated! I'm sure you know how long video essays can take to put together so thanks for watching!

You’ll get popular, sir….I’m sure of it! Keep up the great work. I personally like the random media clips! I only saw this a few days ago, I don’t why it took me so long…but I never watched any reviews or critiques. I find the movies aesthetic really nice, as you say, the score is soOOO good. But I like the movie well enough…I think more I love JP. His subtlety in expression and certain words. A part I love is the ‘why would I take/keep his sign’ the way he says it is so good, and his speech as joker (more his voice) I just love…he’s just a fantastic actor

How it won Oscars its not the Joker he's should be a smart and scary villain instead of a stupid punk who I don't care about

brilliant video, subbing immediately, although your overtly leftist POV will open your criticism of this movie and others to be boiled down to SJWism, if I am making sense. You talk too much but happy to listen.

You got yourself a like and a sub for this good work. Will check out your other Videos.

Fantastic video. Very well made. You have earned a new sub.

17:21 Scar himself looks like foreign, weak and with very female moves

you're exaggerating the movie is just okay

I agree Joker is extremely overrated (well made technically) but vastly shallow on story. I just think it's a huge misstep as a Joker origin movie, I do not buy this guy being the Joker. Joke is theatrical, and seemingly nuts, but he's also smart, and cunning, something not present in this movie. I also somewhat agree with the racial criticisms, but am not naive enough to buy into all "woke" mentality. I mean it's Hollywood mostly controlled by elitist vile people, much like our governments, so yeah expect superficial handling of social issues. Black Panther is overrated crap too, but it checks boxes depending on who cares about what boxes are being checked. I just want a good movie, not a movie all about identity politics. It's fine if it's in there, but it better feel purposeful, and should never take you out of the movie.

@celphone1cellphone591

Жыл бұрын

Movies like art are subjective what you may like others dont, what you consider masterpieces other don't and today there is more variety than ever, and great blockbusters, Mad Max fury road was good, you have the John Wick movies that a lot of people like, TV shows are basically long movies these days, etc etc.

@wet-read

Жыл бұрын

​@@celphone1cellphone591 Yeah, everyone knows that. Merely liking something does not mean it is good, or worthy of being compared to any other movie (on account of taste being subjective). There are movies I like that I know are not very good, or even terrible. Conversely, I am capable of seeing the merit in certain films being highly regarded even if I personally cannot get into them as much. And sometimes, reading someone's critique or an actual review will lead me to see new things I missed, or even reevaluate it altogether.

TY jeeze im tired of people thinking this was so great

The trailers made it seem like Arthur was a sad sack who snaps and becomes a criminal mastermind with followers. What we got was a mentally ill man brought on from a brain injury inadvertently becoming the face of class warfare. Heaths Joker gets a bomb into a police holding by sewing a fucking bomb into a large mans gut. Arthur gets a gun into a popular show by……….security not checking an obviously deranged man that came in his own sinister makeup for no reason.

Soulja boy -

the joker is easily the second most overused comic book character in history right behind batman and i legitimately do not understand the characters appeal he's literally just some psyckopathic clown what at all about him stands out amongst a plethora of other villains

@anthonyackerman7914

2 ай бұрын

If you understand why people like Joker then do research into why people like him

@TheWorkersNewspaper1994

2 ай бұрын

@@anthonyackerman7914 Kick him out of Gotham and replace him with Pennywise!

"What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner, with a society who treats him like trash?" All the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face. I've only seen Joker once but that line always stuck out to me. It disgusts me to no end. It tells us all we need to know. I know there's probably many more examples of this but this is just the one I've focused on. Just horrendous writing.

usually i'm against disclamer warnings... like wtf why are snowflakes even allowed to watch if they are gonna get offended BUT warning people about jared leto's joker is god's work, thank you

Ok, I finished this video and have to say it is the most comprehensive analysis of Joker I've seen! All the reasons it is a bad film are laid out here, excellent work! They are reasons I thought of on my own, plus some I hadn't. There is another I thought of that, curiously, I haven't seen anyone else speak of tho. In addition to my own short essay length criticism of Joker, I can direct people to watch this terrific analysis (and some other good criticisms) 😉

To me the movie was overrated big time.

I hated this movie when I walked out of the theater. I knew it was getting universally hailed yet for the reasons I couldn't articulate then that you have so eloquently have here. Bravo.

@theprophet9429

10 ай бұрын

I almost walked out. But, stayed. It’s such a poor film.

As a big fan of the character this is NOT joker being a mentally ill person dressing up as joker in gotham city dosent make you joker

Id rsther have a blatant rip off of great films than the trash hollywood has produced the last 20 years tho.

I would love for you to give The Batman the same treatment as this movie, I find that one to be incredibly overrated as well

@barisbal7782

Жыл бұрын

it is. the detective aspects handled terribly, the love interest uninteresting as hell, and the villain getting his competence from plot armor. i gave it a 8/10 sheerly for its casting and style

Other problems with the film: It reinforces the false,harmful and outdated stereotype that abused children are doomed to become abusers themselves which often leads ta victim-blaming,demonization of the mentally ill and social outcasts. Its portrayal of the economic and political anxieties of the underprivileged and mentally ill in the Reagan era are extremely shallow and reinforce the social conservatism of Frank Miller,Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan. Abuse is frequently talked about and depicted yet the psychological effects which deserve ta be treated with sensitivity and empathy are instead simply background noise ta move the plot forward. Narcissism isn`t genetic. The adoption system did not work that way in the `40s. Most of the characters are unlikable, I know that`s the point but it is still lazy writing. Schizophrenic episodes usually are not as predictable as The Film depicts. Young Bruce being emotionally stunted even before his parents` murder is just weird.

It's a copycat film

you know whats crazy? you could probably double the videos time. after 90 minutes this movie still has issues to point out. this movie tried so little to be a comic book movie, its almost became as big of an issue of it trying so hard to be like a scorcese movie. just change the certain names(the title, the characters, the city, etc.) and write the exact same story... just try. you couldnt possibly see the same amount of praise its getting. you couldnt possibly see joaqin's winning oscar. the only reason that not enough people considering that this movie is a taxi driver rip-off because on paper it based on another well established character. but on paper only. calling it ''based on'' is a generous take. arthur has no joker in it. he is not competent, he is not smart, he has victim complex, there is a concerning amount of age gap between him and his arch nemessis, he is not even pure evil. and it stayed that way up until the movie. and the cherry on top director said he might not even be joker but just be the inspiration for joker. which almost sounds another way of saying the narrative wasnt worth investigating so the writing just cornered itself. its either ''it was all his dream'' or ''this is happening, feel free to dislike the issues''. worst part is joker 2 might be just as self sabotaging as this one because now phillip know the fans will eat it up

Not sure how a movie can copy taxi driver and king of comedy this horribly and get away with it

Joker is awful.

This movie stinks. I bought a digital copy & there is no way in hell I’m getting a refund.

Keith Ledger above all, Joker movie ain’t even the type of movie you wanna watch more than once.

yeah you talk too much

@ElectroIsMyReligion

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you whine too much

@R1ck_Ryder

Жыл бұрын

Homeboy you never shut up!

This film gets 9/10. 🌟🤩⭐🤩🌟🤩⭐🤩⭐ No politics. No WOKE ideology.

If you love this film, or if you think it’s “art” and have it in your top-10, then I refuse to believe that you’re familiar with quality cinema. And, I’m instantly judging you. 😊

this movie is trash. restore the snyderverse

@DarkSoldier916

3 ай бұрын

Snyder is trash

Thank you, i waited a long time for this review! You nailed it. When you are surrounded by non critical thinking Joker Lovers and you find this video, its golden! On top, i think Phillips self congratulatory domina has gotten unbearable. This channel needs more viewers! PS: Maybe its because i am over 35, but Jack Nicholsons Joker is still my favorite.