so realistic infact that you have to pay a second mortage😭

@danielmorad

7 ай бұрын

Everybody’s scale is different

@tgreg9542

7 ай бұрын

@@danielmoradwdym most people make 50k a year so most people scale is the same. Content creators have lost touch of real life and real life problems like your real car breaking down🤦🏾‍♂️

@cmschmidt15

5 ай бұрын

​@@tgreg9542No, it's more like no one understands that while iRacing does charge a nominal monthly/yearly fee, it is the de facto online competitive racing sim with tons of active subscribers plus you really don't have to buy extra content. There is enough free stuff to last for a very long time (MX-5, GR86, Formula Vee and many others) Buy ACC or mod AC if you want to hot lap forever, iRacing is used to become a better competitive track driver that translates to the real track. For that it is very cheap compared to the real thing.

@elemento1991

5 ай бұрын

Idk I’m like 6k+ deep into my sim rig. I can’t even feel $12.99 a month after setting up the cockpit lol. I’ll gladly pay for clean racing and the functional system. Other sims are nice too but ultimately I’m looking to build my driving skills and iRacing provides the best platform for that. I can pay for an entire years worth of iRacing with 100s of races for the cost of 1 weekend racing my kart. Its expense all depends on how you look at it.

@JoeFiddle-ls5jh

5 ай бұрын

U pay $5000 for wheels and whine about paying 300$ for the software 😂😂😂

They better be at that price. It would be sad if they weren't.

Yeah see I agree; BUT there’s no reason iRacing should charge its customers monthly and on top of that, require you to buy your way into the game. Personally, i think they would be the most popular choice in the racing world had it not been for greed. (Please don’t get me wrong, I do understand it requires a lot of work in order to replicate such realism as iRacing does but RF2 does it for muchhhh cheaper!)

@misty7726

2 күн бұрын

There is a reason, its expensive for the customer because it is expensive for the developers. They are constantly laser scanning different cars and tracks and staff have to be active in post-race stewarding. Not to mention that fact that it is in constant development unlike other sim racing games.

Couldn’t agree more iracing just always feels the best to me but I don’t have real life race experience so cool too see this is your go to.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Yeah well your instincts are correct haha

@RandyMagruder

Жыл бұрын

Hard pass on IceRacing

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

@@RandyMagruder could it be a skill issue? How do you know it’s ice? Is this just a personal opinion that you have formulated using your imagination or is it actually factual?

@RandyMagruder

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad I once knew a sim racer who could set amazing times on CART Precision Racing from Microsoft way back. Alien level skills. Everyone else hated the game. It was a horrible sim, but no one could deny that for this guy he has crazy skill levels. His skill and lap times didn't make it an amazing sim. I haven't driven iRacing in a very long time, but my impressions when I did were that the Grand Prix Legends tire model I both loved and hated lived on. (Yeah my time with them goes all the way back to IndyCar racing in the early 90s.) I respect people for preferring iRacing. But it does have a reputation for a fall off a cliff tire model.

@amogos1489

11 ай бұрын

@@RandyMagruderTire models has greatly improved since then for almost all cars

PLEASE TRY RF2. Race Beyond Matter recently tried RF2 and was blown away and he loves iRacing too

@jonasclementdk

8 ай бұрын

This was my experience too, I loved how braking felt in iRacing but rF2 is really good in that regard too, while also having a much better tire model

@p.a.16motorsport27

6 ай бұрын

He is an iracing brand ambassador All team e driver (outside f1) use Rfactor PRO for training, and is’t very different from Rfactor2 (change the parameter and personalisation that the team could do)

@AL.farmlife

2 ай бұрын

rfactor even better then iracing, the tire model with more then a dozens of points compare to Iracing, and the braking is no difference to iracing

@nicolasoliveira4903

2 ай бұрын

​@@p.a.16motorsport27 Iracing = Rfactor 1 Rfactor 2 >>> Rfactor 1

I like the braking feeling of the cars in iracing without abs too. Requires a lot of finesse on the limit.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

For sure. It just feels the best.

@aumpauskar4653

5 ай бұрын

​@@danielmoradhow does this contrast to AC1?

I wish you would try rf2 and give comments! 😊

It just feels the best, while not perfect. Some models are a bit off, but overall is the most polished.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Definitely

It propably depends from car to car, but I have heard many other GT3 IRL drivers and they say that you pretty much smash 100% brake and keep it there for quite long, let the ABS do it's job and trail off at the end. But recently iracing did some major update on electronic systems and you can actually hit 100% brake pressure in a GT3 without locking up

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

That’s what average guys would probably do but they’ll be 1-2 seconds off the pace with that technique. The car will not turn in if you do that.

@marcinborysiewicz2910

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad Agreed, I mostly play ACC and, and even there if u push the brakes on 100 either car doesn't turn well or u have to compromise with setting abs very high, making your braking zones longer. You really make me tempted towards gt3 cars in iracing now, I gotta give it a go 😅

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

@@marcinborysiewicz2910No matter if u all in iRacing or not, it’s definitely a sim worth u for a try😊

@ErwinLiszkowicz

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielmorad but it seems to me that after latest ACC update cars don't really do well with this technique either. So far most of the eSports grade laps use an iRacing like technique of triggering ABS for a tiny second in a straight line and then immediately bleeding off.

@majo2626

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielmorad what do you mean the car won't turn in? You were trying to turn in with 100% brake and abs engaging? When you smash the brake at the start of braking zone and then trail brake, car turns in like crazy...

The original AC has the best physics, tyre, and braking feel. It also does weight transfer under braking better than any modern sim. What is doesn’t do as well is online racing. But as far as FFB feel and physics, nothing beats it.

@fullsendsimracing

Жыл бұрын

I've seen some serious professional simulators for real race teams in the UK that run on Assetto Corsa. They probably mod their own cars to replicate the real thing in the best way but the fact that they use the AC engine for everything else speaks volumes. I've also seen some run on rFactor 2 but I've never seen a high-end simulator for professional use run on iRacing

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard it’s nice because you can fully mod it.

@marksutherlandjr.2121

Жыл бұрын

Assetto Corsa is the ONLY other name that comes up in the same circles. So there must be some truth to this. I hear a lot of people saying the modding commute is GREAT over there. I've played it, its not for me. But definitely worth the mention.

@NotTheMaestro

Жыл бұрын

@@fullsendsimracing yeah because you can’t mod iRacing, whereas you can mod the ever living shit out of ac

@TheFrontyer

10 ай бұрын

@@marksutherlandjr.2121AC is used because it can easily be modded. There are many track models avaliable. So only really used when no other sim has the tracks you need

Started racing MX5s a few weeks ago and quickly hit 2k/B class rating and graduated to Advanced Cup. The driving and racing IS the best. And the sim as a whole is miles ahead in terms of overall user experience outside of just the FFB and racing. But LFM on AC/ACC offers so much more value that iRacing loses the crown, except for real drivers and those with money to burn. For literally $3, you get the same quality racing, better FFB, a wider range of racing types, a goliath community of free/cheap modders, and a game that feels far newer than its age suggests. For $40 bundle, ACC offers similar, although less varied racing. When I bought my first (and only) track in iRacing, the magic ended instantly. I will likely come back in the future, but AC/ACC LFM will steal the majority of road course racing enthusiasts from iRacing.

No. Asseto Corsa FFB feels better and weight transfer under braking feels best. Iracing makes you affraid of braking and of pushing and relying on your tyres. It is too fragile, unlike real life, where you have to push the car hard to actualy get something from it. Asseto Corsa invites you to push, which not only is more fun but also resembles the mentality and approach to go fast in real life. And it is basicaly free if you compare it to the absurd and ambitious price of Iracing.

I'm a nobody so my opinion isn't exactly valid but ACC is being too abused on the limit by the 'alien' drivers, that's why everyone is trying to brake like they do, as late as possible and 100% force for as long as possible. That's an easy exploit for laptimes >1 second faster than IRL, something that iRacing (sort of) has a handle on. But I've also seen other GT drivers say that they use ACC for training and that it's a great model that's very close to the real feeling. So basically, if you wanna drive at the real limit, how you'd drive in reality then you could argue that it's a far superior simulator, but driving beyond the limit may be the thing that you are referring to here which is a fair point. I wouldn't say iRacing doesn't have flaws however, it's severely lacking in many areas, one of which is the outdated tire model which is no small thing

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

iRacing had officially announced that they had already achieved a milestone update on latest tyre model, probably would be deployed at this year later, expecting…..

@fullsendsimracing

Жыл бұрын

@@ryomaprime3130 they've been working on that for a long time now. Even if it does come out it'll still be a way more simplistic tire model than what ACC has because the core engine of the game is the limiting factor. I don't think they can make it process the point of contact, the sidewall movement, the core and outer temps, the grip 'resolution', maybe they can get the pressures and the effects of them more accurate. And we haven't even started talking about the FFB which just isn't there no matter what people with Simucube turned up to 25nm will tell you

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I’m excited for the next updates

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

@@fullsendsimracing u have the point, but I do believe a key element of making a these sims better is ‘keep updating’, I really hope ACC won’t stop there, right after 2023, but after all it’s just a hope, it won’t be realistic for Kunos though…….So as long as IRacing keep pushing it I think they will be there one day…… plus I’ve heard rumor says that they’ve already recruited a senior developer on Tyre Modeling from RF2, looking forward to it😆

@thechode7394

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say iracings tyre model isn’t outdated, what I would say is that it has some flaws to do with the tyre wear and degradation over a stint due to the thermal properties. If you drive just one lap there is plenty of slip angle and the tyre model is physical same as rfactor2 and we know rfactor 2 has an unreal tyre model. I used to drive acc before iracing but I believe even in its current state iracings tyre model is still more sophisticated to acc’s non dynamic tyre model

Good to hear… I haven’t sim raced yet… only IRL and braking is my strongest suit. I don’t pass with the throttle, I pass with the brakes.

Can you compare iRacing to rFacor2? Would be interesting, because rf2 is also quite good I think. You can prove me wrong

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I would love to try it. I will eventually do that and just give my open and honest opinion as always :)

@HwXeXcluded

11 ай бұрын

It's kinda funny when you do a clip saying this is the best current sim out there when you haven't tried rf2 😂

@gamingandtechnology6913

8 ай бұрын

rf2 is really good sim if we want offline races, it is exceptional software, rf2 feels so realistic it is phenomenal... but for online racing no one beats iracing imo... I tried both but due to expensive content I stopped iracing and currently rf2 is go to sim.... the only and serious issue with rf2 is we need to set up stuff, unlike ac where one would hop in just drive. but after initial setup it's amazing game.

@lca100

8 ай бұрын

@@gamingandtechnology6913 yeah I agree. I play iRacing now and I have to admit its really worth it. The online racing is amazing and you can learn a lot because of the "realistic" car handling. But I think the rf2 force feedback and car feeling is a bit better than in iRacing. I never had problems setting up rf2 and I think it's quite easy, also compared to ACC where I had problems with setting up the right steering angle

Iracing is the best RACING SIMULATOR, but Rfactor 2 is by far the best DRIVING SIMULATOR. On Iracing the cars feels like they have tires made of wood, where Rf2 tires physics really feel like rubber

@f1_onboardsAC

7 ай бұрын

Rf2 is equally as far from reality. Just in the opposite direction. Rf2 tyres are waaaaay too forgiving and the FFB has non realistic effects which are not in a real car.

@geth6146

7 ай бұрын

@@f1_onboardsAC Yes, no sim is perfect and some cars (mainly the older ones) are too forgiving. But in general I think the consensus is that the tire model in Rf2 is more realistic. Regarding the FFB, it is unrealistic in any game. It's there to give additional information to the driver to compensate the lack of car feel and G-force that you have in real life (and added effects for immersion). Trying back to back the TCR cars in Iracing and the BTCC in Rf2, the difference is huge (but wich one is more realistic, I don't know)

@f1_onboardsAC

7 ай бұрын

@@geth6146 for example, iracing does not add canned effects through FFB. It communicates less info, but more realistically regarding what you would feel on a wheel. Both are different and valid approaches. Rfactor 2 can be driven in a bit more realistic way than iracing, but you have to push the car beyond any real limit to be competitively fast. In iracing you are always a bit below of the limit a real car has. Again, two different approaches. Both have a lot to improve, and both are in a much solid state than 3 years ago. I don't really like tcr cars o iracing tbh hahahaha

@HDGamesWalkthrough

Ай бұрын

​@@geth6146you are right. rFactor and lmu is much closer to simulation than this commercial game product

Seeing the 24hr nurburgring this weekend. People couldn't even drive around the carousel without the cars getting damage... very realistic... xD

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Haha super duper. At least it drives well on the brakes. Most important element to driving.

I’ve been on ACC for like 2400 hours before iRacing, when ACC came out originally in 2019, it really staggered me about the ffb, graphic or sort of thing, but after 2020 the negative rear toe stuff came out, and I just became tired to compete with those ridiculous mega alien setups ( if I don’t do that, I won’t get any pace closer to others😅) First impression on IRacing: very realistic suspension movement, cars feel the weight on replay, much better weight transfer feeling than ACC……. So now undoubtedly, I’m all in IRacing now, fun to race&drive, love it!

@henkhenkos8647

Жыл бұрын

Have fun spending 1500 euro for all tracks and cars, and i didn't even begin about the monthly subscription... 💰😂

@bimsi100

Жыл бұрын

The alien setups are actually gone with 1.9

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

@@henkhenkos8647 And that’s the price for the best sim, if there is any other sim which running cheaper price with better realism, then I will reconsider that……But for now, no one can beat iRacing…..

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

@@bimsi100 are they? As I known, people still running negative toe and ultimate stiff bumpstop rate after 1.9 at LFM….. only alien setup made cars comfortable, like 992….. I am not being salty on ACC, cuz me personally achieved 2400 hours on this sim….. but the realism is really make me quit after 1.7, it’s kinda of getting worse for me, the physics just getting away from reality now….

@henkhenkos8647

Жыл бұрын

@@ryomaprime3130 imagine paying atleast 1500 euros for all tracks and cars, and after all that you still don't own them.... Lmao 😂

Both ACC and RF2 make you feel like you're driving a real car. Rf2 is slightly ahead in tyre model. Iracing is ahead only in multiplayer system

@danielmorad

10 ай бұрын

I disagree based on my real life experience of driving the actual cars.

@yanushkowalsky1402

10 ай бұрын

@@danielmorad I don't have a comeback to this. Maybe I just find the extra feedback, that these two games provide a more enjoyable experience. iRacing feels more bland to me in regard to actual traction (tyre deformation?) and track irregularities

@racerx94

6 ай бұрын

They've fixed it in the last couple years, it used to be terrible. you could not hustle the car. I've spoken to tech support about it about 5 years ago about it. definitely made it better now. Even Indycar drivers said as much during pandemic online racing series, probably made them change it. I do feel Rfactor 2 feels better. Rfactor Pro came from Rfactor 2@@danielmorad

@GiJoe94

5 ай бұрын

I also seen allot of people who race prefer RF2. Need to try it

The other huge feature over competitors is the damage, how close you can get to cars and the overall latency of other cars. ACC is just cars flashing, half the time you dont know if you got hit and the brakes are just mush.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

There are pros and cons for sure

This is just your opinion though and there are many other GT and endurance drivers who would disagree with you. I don't see a need for the "I've driven a real GT3 car, have you?" when your assesment of realism is only based on one aspect of the sim

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

This is a great video topic. I will interview the top GT and prototype drivers and ask what they like and why? Maybe it will surprise all of us. It’s just my opinion for whatever it’s worth.

Problem is 1 game & two Simulations need to come together, GT livery editor, iRacing’s cars, tracks & “braking” along with ACC’s physics engine, graphics & FFB. I present to you the perfect Simulator ever made!

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

100% that would be the best case scenario. Then we get a beautiful game

@RockafellaRacing

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad indeed it would be! Maybe Moradness can help us have shine a little light on this with a video? We love what you do irl & sim it’s awesome for our team but more importantly the entire community! Keep up the great work! Thank you

iRacing charges well over 20 times as much as Assetto Corsa and ACC and has inferior FFB and graphics. There is no excuse for a game this expensive to be this far behind its competition.

@danielmorad

7 ай бұрын

It is the most developed game on the market with online severs running all the time. There a lot more that goes into it than we think. It is expensive but I’m sure a lot of the cost is justified. That’s why formula 1 drivers choose to drive it as their main sim in their free time. Seems legit if they’re driving it, right? Or maybe they don’t have the experience to know what a good sim is… who knows?

@a_single_white_female

7 ай бұрын

@@danielmorad Except for it just isn't. ACC has far superior force feedback. Far superior immersion. ACC has dedicated servers too, that isn't exclusive to iRacing. Yes iRacing has a great multiplayer but there is no way in hell it costs why iRacing charges to implement a good multiplayer system. People who justify the costs honestly sound like a cult to me, like they are proud of throwing their money away. Oh and rain? Most sims had this 10 years ago and iRacing still doesn't. What an absolute joke.

@roundearthshill248

6 ай бұрын

I couldn't imagine thinking that AC or ACC has better FFB than iRacing. Like honestly what in the absolute F are you on about.

@roundearthshill248

6 ай бұрын

@@a_single_white_female I think AC/C is all you can afford and this is your way of FOMO coping.

@a_single_white_female

6 ай бұрын

@@roundearthshill248 Change my diaper.

The only way you can once and for all cut this dispute between acc and iracing braking is to show telemetry of real gt3 car. Data does not lie.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I’ll get it done!

@nmelol

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad Ideally not yours cause people will make excuses you did it on purpose. Also someone who won the race or was top 3. Really interested to see this.

I just don't like that there is a monthly subscription requirement but you still have to buy cars and tracks.

@cmschmidt15

5 ай бұрын

Does anyone commenting here actually play iRacing? Yes, there is a cheap subscription fee but there is enough free content in iRacing to last anyone years that want to race competitively with tons of active subscribers. Spec MX-5 could take thousands of hours to master on all free content. No one needs to buy extra content in iRacing for a long time and if you want to simply hot lap with many cars on many tracks out of the box, get a different sim. Try to race in real life and then you'll see how dirt cheap iRacing is.

@5.3_rolando

2 ай бұрын

@@cmschmidt15I recently started in I racing and I agree with what you said, the fact that every other car just doesn’t feel the same makes it to where you always race on car for a while until you move on because of how different they feel

Maybe it's the best but ist also the most expensive

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Good things come at a cost

@GameOver-nm2us

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielmorad I'd still rather buy it than have a subscriptions, I bet it's a good sim tho

Don't listen all of them, they are just a sellers. Iracing is nothing but just a primitive old sim modernized for playing also using gamepad. They need more people, more money. This is not about racing and simulation of racing car and tires behavior

@Daniel: I think you touched a very sensible topic to Simracers and expressed a very strong opinion without testing yourself. The top Sims actual are iRacing and ACC with LFM Matchmaking / Leauge. A direct comparison iRacing, ACC and Real GT Car would be very very interessting to everyone regarding GT Car simulation. Fact, in ACC 1.9, they updated the Mercedes Benz AMG GT physics with actual real data regarding that ACC is the official sim for FIA GT championship. Would be very interessting to hear how realistic it is.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

That’s my plan after the race at COTA. I will use the AMG in iRacing, ACC and real life. Then compare them.

@majo2626

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielmorad great plan, should have mentioned it in the video. I was getting a little irritated because u shittalk my dear ACC 😂

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

No worries haha. We will check it out and see what the differences are.

@majo2626

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad you earned a subscriber sir. Looking forward to your video and other content

I have no real life experience, but I have been playin all the big sims. For me rF2 feels best, but iRacing also is very good.

Reason that I never want to play iracing is that they take huge payment just to play it and then the developer just leaves the games at old state, if they kept the game up to date in every departments especially the graphic as it looks like need for speed 1992 now makes me not wanna pay monthly and pay for every single track and car above that monthly...doesn't matter if the physics are great as long as they just leaves the game old in state. For me that's almost a scam from developers.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

As long as you enjoy what you’re racing or playing, then that’s all that counts :)

Agreed, but sadly they ruined the GT3's now (in my opinion). They all feel like boats now and the braking is now the same as ACC, just smash the brakes like crazy

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

it's pretty okay actually, for now if u smash it it won’t lockup which is close to RL incurrent GT3, but that doesn’t make u faster in iRacing If u replicate that one in ACC or others, u smash it, and u get the best braking distance, in a way u get faster laptime, that’s the real difference

@Traumglanz

Жыл бұрын

Apparently the smash the breaks part is like the GT3 abs works. So that improvement might have taken away from the fun for you, but it did increase realism. Makes you wonder if the tire model is the issue that ruins GT3 in iRacing. Either way, iRacing does a good job even when their drift and tire behavior when going over the limit considered pretty unrealistic.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

It will be better

@marijn17s

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad What do you mean with that?

I am new, but my feeling is sometimes cars' lack of control is exaggerated.

I’m so glad I got into iRacing. It’s about as close as I can get to getting behind the wheel of a race car. So much fun

@danielmorad

10 ай бұрын

That’s awesome. Glad you’re enjoying it :)

@HeyItsEmilyLove

10 ай бұрын

@@danielmorad Thank you 😊

Have you tried ACC with its new physics model? Just came out 2 weeks ago

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen the driving techniques from others already and it’s still not there yet. Step in the right direction. The plan is the record a video about iRacing vs ACC

@rankisdumb214

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielmoradwith the new 1.9.1 and 1.9.2 the exploit set ups have again become the fastest. If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably not realistic to smash the throttle coming out of a corner in a GT3 car with the steering wheel still turned at 60°. My guess is if you did that in a real car it would spin out. That's where ACC really lacks. The Exploit max negative toe mixed with max fast bump, rebound and fast rebound settings. I never used the exploit set ups until now.. The way they need to be driven definitely feels unrealistic. The amount of rotation feels really unnatural. It's almost like understeer no longer exist lol..

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

@@rankisdumb214totally agree, ACC is doing okay….but still not close to RL yet

@JohnnyGification

Жыл бұрын

What are you guys talking about. ACC isn't even where RF2 is, let alone Iracing.

@labpong7562

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad Please add rF2 in there....that would be much more useful overall.... especially from your view point.

That's cool and all, but there being so many possible discrepancies in control setup due to no public consumer sim doing brake pedal input/output correctly (Largely because almost nobody on the planet has the hardware for it) I would advise people to not focus so much on one specific aspect which is so volatile. From a developer perspective iR is not impressive due to the very basic parameters like car setup, slip graphs and heat sensitivity for tires being incredibly off on most models. Same issue with AMS2 and rF2. AC and ACC's stock content is...of variable quality...but the engines are sound. AMS1 has relatively decent stock content but I am fairly sure there is some kind of fundamental balance issue with the old isiMotor engine (GTR2, rF, AMS1 etc.) but I could not find anything concrete via troubleshooting even with developers who worked on the engine. The cars just all oversteer more than the telemetry indicates, which explains why front ARBs are about 5 times too stiff typically. That pretty much only leaves AC or a completely custom ($$$) implementation if you want to make a sim model and have it be somewhat accurate.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Seems complicated

@ArchOfficial

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad It is. As a driver all you really interact with is the controls and sometimes the setup, but developers have a lot of valid things to keep in mind. Your perspective changes as you get better.

I’m waiting for Le Mans ultimate to come out

Iracing is far too expensive. I’m stuck, and other people are too, in free content even though you could be in a A class with 3000 irating. Whereas instead of spending all that money I could go play assetto corsa which I got for $5 and have all the content and more from mods. So to me assetto corsa is a better sim based on availability and not being more money hungry then EA

@danielmorad

9 ай бұрын

For your needs and situation, it sounds like you’re right. It’s all about what the game is designed to do for each individual user. No right or wrong but just have fun with it :)

No one wants to pay 3000€ to get the cars you want

@PeteV80

8 ай бұрын

I will

@samdajellybeenie14

4 ай бұрын

Nowhere near 3000 euros. All of the road content is 600 euros at the most and almost no one buys every single thing.

You are totally righ. I started to experience that actually

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

No shit sherlock… with a motion rig and $6000 pedals everything feel real 😂

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I love every second of using this stuff :)

Never tried rFactor 2, I guess

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Not yet. But I will.

I'd love to play iracing, but I don't want to pay a subscribtion for a sim/game, if it was lifetime i would definitely get it

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Totally understand that. It’s an investment but imo, a good one.

@HerkusLeGuitarman

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad yeah, I just don't really like paying subscriptions

You need braking simulator? Go on! but i need car simulator lol. This is usual game, not a sim. And i don't have nothing bad about simucube pedals, they're great, but expensive.

Have you tried RaceRoom

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t, but I’ve seen people play it

No hesi players after slamming their brake into the wall to avoid hitting an innocent car then taking off again

It's the best because I've sunk so much money into it I can never walk away! Seriously though - the online is unmatched and I'm happy to pay for it. Far better value than Prime Video.

Nah. Richard Burns rally is free and assetto corsa costs only 3-7€ And iRacing doesn't have enough classic racecars and historic tracks to catch me

Iracing just never really felt right to me, while the braking may be good, it feels too slidy and like I’m not really controlling a car. AC and LMU give me a really good in car feeling😊

If only we got the real world of outlaws games on console

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I probably won’t play that lol

Yeah screw the cost of iracing!

Iracing brakes the bank, I can't afford to enjoy that type of sim.

@Deadbeatbeats

Жыл бұрын

Its expensive but if you got expensive gear its a fraction of the total cost.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Very true.

I see so many Iracing players just slam on the brake as well 😂

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

But they are slow :)

I am trying iracing, I think the downside for me is that you have to pay for cars and tracks. I can understand why the pay wall but yea. For now I am enjoying ACC. And if you are new it is still difficult to drive a hot lap on any track in ACC and be even close to the real life lap times for each track on GT3 and 4. This is with a fanatec p1 kit I purchased as it is ok sale right now like 150 gbp off. But I can understand that there are people who drive crazy fast and even beat real life lap times. Also some cars are nice. Whilst some albeit very nimble. They are wild and feisty. *looks at the Porsche gt3 😂 and the mclaren's.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

The most important thing is that you are enjoying Sim racing

hello, and in global terms, driving, physics etc... are rf2 and iracing very close to reality, if tomorrow I get into a gt on a circuit I will be able or unable to drive despite hours on the simulation??

@ArchOfficial

Жыл бұрын

No, because the basic parameters like slip and heat are extremely off in rF2 and iR. There are less bad options out there, although it's kind of limited to AC and AMS1.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Ummm I feel like there’s no way to prepare for the g force and feeling but if you’re a good sim racer, I don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to adjust. Some can and some cannot. It’s definitely not 1 to 1

@ArchOfficial

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad I might add that equipment matters a lot. You're gonna be jerked around by the car and not stepping hard enough on the brake if you come directly from a low-end wheel, but a few hours on a well-setup direct drive and loadcell/hydraulic pedal could allow you to skip that part and be more comfortable immediately.

I just wish iracing had a wider window with tires on the edge

hmm rfactor 2 is also same as Iracing in turms of braking

Oh please. simracing and realracing are two different universes. No matter how expensive your software/hardware is. This sounds like marketing to me (that omp shoe oh my gosh😅)

@Critical_Stinking

8 ай бұрын

You're just jealous of the shoes. Everyone knows you need a full race suit to play sims

I have some experience on multiple sims, I agree, although I had to stop using Iracing because it is just too expansive. I joined an AC league/group and the racing is the same, just not the experience. Wish it had better pricing.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

It’s not that expensive once you get the core stuff.

@thecornercomplex5848

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad You are right, the monthly payment works, but only if you have every item you want. But getting the core stuff is still a little pricey, at least for me.

I would’ve believed this if I didnt know you were sponsored by iracing😅

@danielmorad

5 ай бұрын

I wish I was. Maybe you can negotiate a deal for me. You seem to know more than me. 🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠🫠

Just wish the cost of entry wasn't so high.

Sounds legit. But good is giving me the UI eye cancer 🤮 so it's still ACC

Your no supposed to slam the break pedal into turns?😅

I wish it wouldnt be so expensive

@danielmorad

5 ай бұрын

Get what you pay for I guess

@Pizzarolles_.

5 ай бұрын

@@danielmorad yeah i would Love to Play but i Just dont have the Money for all the dlcs

iRacing is farr off realistic. As a amateurs who did endurance racing from 6hrs to 24hrs on road tyres in a low horsepower car. iRacing doesn't even close to irl.

Open the floodgates…

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Oh I’m sure there will be opinons. That’s totally okay. As a real life driver, this is what I feel

How would you say Assetto Corsa compares to real life racing?

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Not very well. ACC is a fun game but not realistic

What about Le Mans ultimate?? Racing is too expensive

i honestly don’t care too much about realism although iracing is probably the best and the most fun conpared to ACC i just wanna drive for fun and to me I get so much more fun out of iracing than ACC but thats me and i feel like the less realistic the iracing car is (eg sliding too much etc) the more fun it is for me especially the 991.2 gt3 cup

Just wish the tire model was better.

I would like to see a video of iRacing where your drive a GT3 racecar and show your braking technique. I always thought ACC was off regarding braking because my life went all by watching onboard GT3’s with throttle and brake indication and saw that many many drivers braked correctly. I find that even rookies can brake easy in ACC like 100% 24/7 in each and every corner no matter which type of corner. In iRacing (without any brake cheat mods like calibration which I just don’t do) braking is for the experienced drivers so I like it. I’m just a couple days on iRacing GT3 only and I left ACC after 1800 Hours. Not because I hate ACC but because of realism. And graphics and sound and all I still like it, and FPS is top with iRacing for my PC but not on ACC. But still I would gladly watch a video with your view of: Real GT3 vs ACC vs iRacing side by side compared. 🏁🏁🏁

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

You’re 100% right! That’s what I always say. I’ll do some side by sides just make sure it all adds up. Going to go in completely neutral

@f1_onboardsAC

Жыл бұрын

I remember when i started in simracing literally not knowing what trailbraking was. I started on ACC and easily got into LFM and was able to drive well with zero knowledge. Imagine what would have happened to me if suddenly I had jumped into a real GT3. Exactly. not only to be fast, but to mantain the car on track at relatively competitive speeds you need some basic knowledge. That is what happens on iRacing. This speaks volumes about the two sims.

@bmwM3M5M6

Жыл бұрын

@@f1_onboardsAC So you prefer iRacing for the realism ?

Everyone’s complaining about the price, but yet to realize once you get a DD wheel nice cockpit and pedals you’re already $1000 in bare minimum. So how would a membership that’s as much as xbox live every year and around $200 for all the tracks for a season and a $15 car. which is maybe 3 new AAA games? And these tracks and cars can be used for other leagues as well. So still cheaper then a console imo. Also I don’t play Iracing I play strictly ACC, but I want to dive into Iracing at some point.

@judemolina2168

2 ай бұрын

If you play acc then you should be able to see that DLC from Kunoz is far better priced than anything in iRacing… for the price of 2 gt4 cars on iRacing, you get the WHOLE gt4 series in ACC.. for the price of 1 track on iRacing, Kunoz gives you 3-4 tracks.. and LFM exists..

I really don't get why people are saying it's expensive, I just payed $119 for a 2 year subscription. I spend that much just on gas to get to my local track irl 😂.

@killorkubed

9 ай бұрын

Yeah until its $15 per car and $15 per track...

@nukedogger86

8 ай бұрын

Value is relative. Not going to argue, if you're happy, that's all that matters. iRacing is cheaper than real racing, but significantly more expensive than pretty much every other sim... combined.

@killorkubed

8 ай бұрын

@@nukedogger86 oh yeah for sure… I think the other part is like people will happily pay $1k+ for a wheel base but like won’t fathom paying $500 for software to use it… and like the software adds way more than the wheelbase does in my opinion… Mind you this is coming from someone who gets a 20% discount on iracing cars and tracks if you know what I mean lmfao

@nukedogger86

8 ай бұрын

@@killorkubed I mean my rig has evolved something major, and have a decent DD wheelbase, nice pedals, etc. But, iRacing wasn't a night and day difference in feel. I will say iRacing has one big thing going for it, it's online multiplayer system. That is top dog. But, if you have grown away from online racing because whatever reason, one can do more with less. Myself, I rarely race online, too many race ending jerks killing safety rating and it just became more frustrating than fun. I have my rig for fun, though it has it's own frustrations at times (hardware going up in smoke).

@killorkubed

8 ай бұрын

@@nukedogger86 yeah, it’s definitely different than it used to be… I started iRacing in 2016, picked up my first DD in 2019… it’s crazy what sim racing has turned into honestly… the more popular the better through because the hardware and software get better and better all the time when there’s enough people to support continued development… And yeah iRacing is best for its online stuff for sure, and I hear you about not playing online I spend a decent amount of time in assetto and pcars just goofing off but I’m competitive enough that I love bashing doors online… Also I think you just can’t take iRacing too seriously… if someone comes up and bumps me off track it’s just a racing incident and it’s like what ever it happens… very rarely do I ever see people purposely taking each out out anymore… I also favor dirt road racing where safety rating is like impossible to destroy I think mine is like 4.5 or something lmao

M SQUAD is right and you better know it 😊

@danielmorad

7 ай бұрын

Yes they are

iRacing is great but Rfactor beats iRacings braking model, but we all know ACC model sucks 😂

This time I completely disagree. You cannot make such a statement without having thoroughly tested ACC. On ACC you can brake exactly as you said you do on the real car and have an advantage over those who rely 100% on abs.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I have examined the braking of average and top tier drivers. The technique is incorrect. Sorry to share this news with you but I can see it with my eyes. Is it better with 1.9, yes. I’m sure there will be improvements and I really hope it becomes a viable option in the future.

@fabiozannettino

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad Daniel, it's all the same to me. I'm just sorry that you didn't take the time to try it for yourself and instead relied only on what you saw others (who are not real drivers like you) do. I don't do e-sports but I think I know this simulator inside out and I can tell you that what the "top-tier" drivers do is many times out of all logic and there would be many ways to get the same or even better results by doing things judiciously. But I am not an influencer or top-tier driver so my opinion is probably worthless. However, I will continue to follow your videos with interest because they are always authentic and interesting, including on the braking talk which is definitely correct as you explained it, but in my opinion can also be replicable on ACC. Have a good evening.

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

@@fabiozannettino Can’t u read what he just said? He’s already examined it. U are not saying this could only being done by a player who spend thousands of hours on ACC, are u? Me, personally did 2400 hours in ACC from 2019 it first release, and I could tell u ACC did wrong on that, also couple of my friends who’s been working on car engineering said it’s wrong……ACC is just not there yet compared with iRacing And I highly suggest u have a try on iRacing and RF2, just a Porsche cup car, u will understand there’s some serious problems with ACC physics

@fabiozannettino

Жыл бұрын

​@@ryomaprime3130 I currently race on rF2 and ACC. I think iRacing provides very good braking feel for cars without abs. For those with abs I think it is the worst of the three. But that's just my opinion.

Iracing is no where close ACC for the gt3 and gt4 class IRL simulation. It has more options and events thats about it.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

You’ve driven the cars in real life? 🙃

@EpicGT

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad yeah I have around 4 years of official rally experience, then sense 14 i have grown up with cars did karting ,some track toys-low level +-365-420hp , drift around 15 years . Not a gt3 but gt3 porsche street version tuned for hotlaping 6 laps. In simracing around 2k h give or take ,racing games ,and motorsports of many kinds around 18 years of experience and hobby.

@ryomaprime3130

Жыл бұрын

@@EpicGT then u haven’t drive a proper GT3 car :)

@Squale37

Жыл бұрын

@@ryomaprime3130 James Baldwin is a real GT3 driver and esports simracing champion and said that ACC is more realistic from his POV :)

@EpicGT

Жыл бұрын

@@ryomaprime3130 u haven't raced acc then mate 😀

Yet most of iracing drivers use ABS, i turn that crap off in Forza and can brake better than most

@Pizzarolles_.

5 ай бұрын

Forza isnt a sim

As a new SIM Racer, every trusted voice in my circles says iRacing. Clearly the Authority on SIMRacing.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

It sure is

@SenseiDeJovenes

Жыл бұрын

You have to try for your self and compare ! You need to have your own experience

@RandyMagruder

Жыл бұрын

It is an aspect of human psychology to defend what you invested the most in. People who have spent a massive amount on iRacing subscriptions and its content will run into the psychological inability to back away from it. To be clear. I am not making the case that iRacing is not better. I am saying that wealthier investors in it's ecosystem are going to be the hardest to move regardless of merit. Would YOU want to admit that a $50 sim in any way beats one that you spent hundreds or thousands on? It's an unappetizing prospect and therefore easier to develop a bunker mentality. One looks for rationalizations. So yeah unfortunately this has to be factored in when people say "this is the game all the rich folks play".

Shame I can't race because of the god awful, unstoppable force that is random stuttering. Agreed though.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

That’s too bad

The breaking doesn't mean anything when the fact that they charge for the content on top of a monthly cost is disgusting and that is why Iracing will never beat assetto corsa or any other top sim racing game that respects my wallet. Also the breaking is fairly good and comparable to real world in ACC and am2 so your point is moot because it's just your opinion and most newer sims look and feel a lot more realistic in comparison to Iracing's super dated graphics engine but if you're willing to mod AC, you end up with one of the best looking sim racing games currently out there so take what I say with a grain of salt.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

You really know your stuff. Thanks for sharing your opinion :). If I may ask, what are you comparing everything to? You obviously know what is realistic.

could you please elaborate on what you mean by 'brake model'? and how iracing beats the competition? okay, i lied, i dont care about the other sims, just tell me how you put iracing above rf2? :D :D :D xD

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Haha. No problem. Essentially what I mean is that the “technique” you would use on braking is best simulated on iRacing. The amount of brake pressure required for the corresponding corner shape is more accurate compared to the other sims

@ArchOfficial

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad So I take it you've figured out what the equivalent input line pressure is in the sim and matched your control setup to correspond on your sim pedal? See these things are complicated. For the same game output you can see ten different control inputs depending on setup.

@perludierende_praesumtion

Жыл бұрын

@@ArchOfficialI don‘t think this is what Daniel meant. As he said, it is all about the technique you would engage when finding the limits of a car irl. So Daniel says that braking techniques feel most intuitive and realistic in iracing. Braking inputs or telemetry always depends on temps, car setup, track surface status, car modifications and so on. So it is not possible to just compare 1 by 1

@ArchOfficial

Жыл бұрын

@@perludierende_praesumtion Well, iR tires are pretty objectively off, so it is likely to be a controller-side thing as you can setup the output to be almost whatever based on very different pressures and deflections. That or some cars have a specific thing like combined grip during braking more correct than most sims (I don't know if iR even has combined grip, but many sims do not have it standard) and he is focusing on that even if the rest of the car is way off.

I think acc is the best sim but not anything to do with closer to reality the sim is always full of races 24 hours competitive races all day iracing it’s either rated or practice no race for fun unless everyone online is rich and acc is the official gt sim which also makes its unique something iracing can’t get even if they took half the budget of the sim racing drivers .. non compatible … iracing also changes there braking mechanism I wonder why

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you really enjoy it. I’m happy that you’re having fun with sim racing :)

Assetto Corsa 😏😎

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

It looks cool

@sir_race_a_lot_SimRacing

10 ай бұрын

​@@danielmoradbecause it is

Do you use irFFB or just the default ffb?

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I use default :)

@wongsrila

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad thanks for the reply! Have you tried it before? If so why do you prefer the default ffb?

@mrmowersemporium

Жыл бұрын

@@wongsrila I could be wrong, but I believe irFFB ads latency.

What din for console acc

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

No clue

david perel will disagree

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure he would. David is a friend but he also bases the majority of his business around that platform so you need to understand that as well. I do not. I am free to choose any platform I want to play on. Why do you think Max Verstappen chooses iRacing? Think about that.

@jimlansa7098

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad i was watching a live stream of perel the other day'he rate the braking level of ACC the most relaistic breaking tecniqch in simracing game,the second place was GT7 and on third place was iracing.if he is a friend of your,you can ask him about it.i can understand what your relate about his obligation to kunos (ACC) but he has none to Polyphony (GT7)

@ArchOfficial

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmorad Max chooses iRacing because he can race with other people. Nothing whatsoever to do with the modeling of the car. Pretty low tier argument honestly.

I(ce)Racing cannot hold a candle to ACC when it comes to GT-racing. Old. Slow. Slippery and the buisnessmodel is just evil

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

It sounds like you’re comfortable with acc and I’m happy that you’re enjoying it. I am just referring to what feels closer to reality. That’s all. Sharing my personal opinion on what I feel from actually driving the real race care. Not meant to be an attack or talk about business. But I understand your points

Yeah if you only had to brake. Sadly there is more, and iracing is bad and expensive

Wish I could afford it lo

What are your thoughts on the general handling, tyre physics and FFB though Dan? A well known bald tea drinking KZreadr insists the original Assetto Corsa is the best and most realistic in that regard

@ewenblack4174

Жыл бұрын

And that loud mouth knows little to nothing about real race cars…

@TzDavid95

Жыл бұрын

Nah he won’t respond to that, because iRacing has better braking physics and that’s all a racing car does is brakes. Nothing else, tyres? Purely braking alone 😂

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Tires can be improved.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Somebody is a little salty 😌

Wait a moment, i've never played i racing before, so i don't really understand what you mean...as far as i know, you almost always want to press the brakes as fast as possible, almost slamming them and then release the pressure slowly trail braking, unless you are using cars with no abs...

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Not always the case

I agree but has anyone really played Gran Turismo 7 with ABS off? I’d like to hear anyone who plays it like that and plays iRcing

Assetto corsa is the best and always will be

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

It’s definitely a personal preference and subjective.

Agree 👍

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Im sure you’ve tried both

No doubt rF2 is the best simulator around: best physics, best ffb.

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Have you compared it to the real car?

@Squale37

Жыл бұрын

I said that because some real drivers recognized it and don't forget rF2 also incorporated code that was developed for rFpro. rFactor Pro is a software simulation engine used by real-life racing teams and car manufacturers.

@ErwinLiszkowicz

Жыл бұрын

​@@Squale37 rFactor Pro is used because it's modular. Not a single race team uses its physics to simulate anything. They rip everything apart and leave the renderer and audio engine. Slip angles in rFactor 2 are so off that it's not even in contention to fight with iracing or ACC.

@Squale37

Жыл бұрын

@@ErwinLiszkowicz Can you share the source of this information please?

@ErwinLiszkowicz

Жыл бұрын

@@Squale37 Source is: my multiple friends who work in different areas of motorsport. But mainly a friend of mine who has been an aerodynamicist at McLaren F1 team for 4 years and stopped working a couple of months ago.

RaceRoom

yes but its more expensive than real racing 😂

@danielmorad

Жыл бұрын

Oh is it? You need to share the real racing you’re doing so I can tell the community :)

i dont want to pay 10 $ for each car its trash

its to expensive

Just sucks iRacing has the worst tire models ever made

@danielmorad

9 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t say worst but definitely room to improve at the moment