I’m a cradle Catholic who became Protestant, and now revisiting Catholicism after learning about the early church. This topic has been of great interest to me, so I appreciate you posting this.

@lulabella9249

Жыл бұрын

I will pray for your return Home 🙏the rosary 📿 will guide you back 🙏

@TyrannicalReigner

Жыл бұрын

Be sure to check out Orthodox responses to these arguments before making up your mind. Ubi Petrus, Jay Dyer, Seraphim Hamilton, Fr Josiah Trenham and David Erhan are all great Orthodox resources.

@navinfernandes747

Жыл бұрын

Come back quickly friend.. nothing like being part of "the church"- the catholic church..

@N1IA-4

Жыл бұрын

@@TyrannicalReigner Personally, I have watched hours of their argumentation from EO and am not convinced. They are mostly sophist and intellectual in nature. The Catholic Church is responsible for great human florrishing in the West, with hospitals, monasteries, schools, charities...the list goes on and on. With all due respect......what have Orthodox done to promote the common good? They are in schism, just as the Protestants are. Don't you think it odd that they have hated of the Pope in common? The True Church will be obvious to those who truly want to know the truth.

@TyrannicalReigner

Жыл бұрын

@@N1IA-4 The Orthodox has traditionally remained more eastward geologically than Roman Catholics, but that is changing. You are not going to see the positive effects of Orthodoxy as much because of your lack of physical proximity to them. One great example of where the Orthodox did promote the common good in the West is the evangelizing to and baptizing of native Alaska. Contrast the way the Orthodox evangelized the natives in Alaska with how the Roman Catholic conquistadors brutalized the east coast natives into submission (just as their protestant counterparts did). I would argue that because Orthodoxy has objectively preserved the apostolic tradition better than papists, Orthodox dominant countries have less secularism going on that is tearing apart the moral fabric of western society as we speak. That is more good than any school or hospital. Are you really unaware of Orthodox monasteries? Mount Athos is the most grand and holy monastic society in the world. There have been temporary severances all throughout church history, so not sure why you think this is a valid point. From our perspective, we see no actual unity between, say, clown mass novus ordo and SSPX. True unity lies in unity of dogma, not one man. That doesn't make us hate the pope either. We just understand he is a bishop in error leading many different churches that have little in common with each other and somehow still calling it "one" and "catholic." We understand the first millennium church that we are the continuity of had a conciliar bishopric, even if they recognized primacy in the pope. Primacy did not mean supremacy nor indefectibility. Even Peter was in error many times and was not above correction. The Roman Catholics are responsible for the biggest, most destructive schism of all, which was the protestant reformation. Why has there never been a protestant schism from the Orthodox Church? It's because we are the original church and our teachings are so dogmatized and universal, that it does not allow for such heresies like those found in protestantism to foment. Protestantism is a logical flow from Roman Catholicism. They have more in common with each other theologically than we do with either of them.

When Our Lord returns we shall all find out who is In Schism. The Devil has loved the separation of East and West. The worst event in the history of the Church.

@livingweaponnightmare

Ай бұрын

I think the Protestant "reformation" was worse

@Bruno97118

Ай бұрын

​@@livingweaponnightmareagree

@notyourtypicalcomment2399

Ай бұрын

The idolatry in the Catholic Church is crazy

@Bruno97118

Ай бұрын

@@notyourtypicalcomment2399 I don't see no catholic worshiping their Saints

@notyourtypicalcomment2399

Ай бұрын

@@Bruno97118 forgive me, i thought they bowed down and pray to the saints.

This answered so many questions I had about Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism. I had a hunch that the chair of St. Peter and all under it was the church of Christ but this helped put my difficulties to rest. Please pray for me, a former atheist considering conversion

@dawncresci2724

Жыл бұрын

Praying

@tumutegyereizeben2276

Жыл бұрын

Never too late, as long as you're doing the right thing! Go forward listen to the voice of God deep within.

@davidestate

Жыл бұрын

God Bless for the Holy Ghost spoke to you and you listened.

@LiamLoves

Жыл бұрын

You're going to make it.

@Augnatius

Жыл бұрын

@@LiamLoves I made it brother, doing RCIA in October, God bless you

Love ur videos from an Eastern rite catholic . Prayers from india .

I appreciate a slow, sober view of Catholicism. As someone who was raised by a nervous neurotic, it's personally comforting that the Catholic Church decides things at the rate grass grows and paint dries. I think we will eventually fully embrace (I want to use the word absorb, but that sounds creepy) the eastern Church and become one Church. It might take a while, but we have a while, don't we?

@pemcortes9467

Жыл бұрын

Yes, we definitely have a while. Buts souls have only a moment.

@IsraelCountryCube

3 ай бұрын

I peay lol that Catholic church absorbs Orthodoxy and protestants in Jesus name force us as knxe church and not decision devision amen! Absorbed time! Abaorbing tumeee

Thank you for covering this a bit. It’s something I had struggled with quite a bit, as a former Protestant. I looked into orthodoxy for awhile and it greatly appealed to me, especially because I saw the Catholic Church as having so much baggage I didn’t want to deal with it. I started listening to an online orthodox Bible study, read a book by Peter Gilquest and bought an orthodox Bible. The more I looked into it, the more I was having trouble coming to terms with the fact that the visibility and universality of their church is simply not there. I am 32 years old and have never in my life met 1 orthodox person. This may be a poor point to make but the lack of orthodox churches in America, and worldwide, the emphasis on nationality, and the fact that the Greeks and Russians are not in communion with one another, did not seem like it could be the true church. I really couldn’t square their stance on sin. They see sin as ancestral, rather than original and they don’t believe in the Immaculate Conception, which the earliest church fathers all confirmed to be true. It also seems as though the Orthodox get hung up on wording quite a bit, like the Filoque. Their stance on abortion, contraception, marriage, seem pretty inconsistent, depending on which bishop you talk to. They don’t believe the sacraments that Catholics have are valid. They really have no way of solving their issues, as you said because the authority of their church isn’t there. The orthodox churches are usually few and far between, offering 1 liturgy in the early morning hours, with no adoration, and little contact with the outside world it would seem. I don’t mean to condemn anyone but it also seems that the orthodox in general are not very charitable to Catholics and those they deem as heretics. For the life of me, I couldn’t understand why St. Francis of Assisi, and other holy catholic saints are not considered saints by the orthodox. Again, I love you if you are orthodox. With the Catholic Church, there is visibility in seeing how they reach out to the poor and the widows, etc. The CC contribution’s to society is everywhere. The churches in Israel are almost all Catholic. And lastly, I was attacked by a demonic presence in my sleep that said it would destroy me and then take my life if I became Catholic. I definitely get it though. I remember wishing I could be more convinced of Orthodoxy, because they really don’t get the hate that the Catholic Church does. They don’t have to worry about a pope who is deceived. To me this is more proof that the CC must be true. If the world actively condemns the Catholic Church and hates it, there is something to that, that is undeniable. The incorruptible bodies of the saints, the miracles at Lourdes, Fatima, etc. after praying the rosary and asking Blessed Mother to please help me, I have been convinced that Catholicism is true. I can’t wait to become Catholic and am learning and trying to read as much as possible. Still trying to learn about orthodoxy too, for the sake of trying to understand what they believe better.

@madmax3655

14 күн бұрын

You had resumed all. The Catholic Church is the only Church of Christ. You shouldn't have doubts anymore. The CC is hated by the world.

@dariodesansebastian

8 күн бұрын

Brother, this might help. Before truly making up your mind, step into a traditional parish with Tridentine (Latin) Mass. I told this to my 14 year old cousin "Touch your Bible as much as a Protestant, know the founding fathers like the Orthodox, be knowledgeable as the Middle Age Catholics". Orthodox are our brothers, even though they are wrong in many things. Originally there were 5 original churches, we shared 1084 years with them. I respect how much they venerate tradition, we could learn that from them (Novus Ordo Missae is a fluke imo). It looks like you need some help with spiritual warfare, have a look at Dominion by Chard Riperger, also at one of his books on deliverance prayers for the laity. There's also a booklet Manual for Spiritual Warfare by Paul Thigpen. I hope these help. The summary, my brother. Confess weekly, pray daily. Step into a Traditional Latin Mass. God Bless, I'm praying for you

@iampurpxse

7 күн бұрын

Deep I find myself in this same place. Pray for me

"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant", Cardinal Newman.

@YourBoyJohnny94

3 ай бұрын

Reading the Church fathers made me Protestant, Cardinal Newman was wrong.

@michaelbarry1664

3 ай бұрын

@YourBoyJohnny94 Yeah I’m gonna go with the saint on this one. No more prot nonsense, please.

@YourBoyJohnny94

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelbarry1664 Papism is literally nonsense, using forgeries like the Donation of Constantine and developing non bibblical practices that the church fathers didn’t practiced.

@cinta3805

2 ай бұрын

@@YourBoyJohnny94 so you went to the 40,000 confuse prots? The devil is the master of confusion. Truly 1 bible = 40,000+ prot churches of diffirent founders, teachings and beliefs is not the work of the Holy Spirit.

@YourBoyJohnny94

2 ай бұрын

@@cinta3805 Even within your Roman institution there’s division, it’s laughable you throw that number around but as long as one of those “40k denominations” are faithful to the word of God and don’t commit idolatry or systematically abuse children or even start communist revolutions like the Jesuits are known to do in Latin America then I’m good where I’m at.

Our Eastern Orthodox brothers are very much like us Catholics, and I have yet to find an orthodox priest that would refuse a Catholic the teachings of God. We do have our differences, however we are very much the same. I look at it from a perspective of two brothers, yes we share a Father and Mother, but we just have differences of perspective and organization, but never faith nor love for one another.

@kwazooplayingguardsman5615

Жыл бұрын

evil forces are moving, mayhaps it is time for estranged brothers to reconcile their differences.

@cruznature7545

3 ай бұрын

I've spoken to a few Orthodox they refuse to reunification because they believe Catholics are heretics, I'm afraid that's what's being taught in their Church’s and it's going to very difficult for uniting back together. Catholics are willing but Orthodox are not.

@HubertofLiege

Ай бұрын

An Orthodox priest will refuse communion to a catholic

@Hope_Boat

Ай бұрын

We are not alike. We didn't modify our creed, our liturgy and we didn't innovated our dogmas. This was recognized in 1995 when John-Paul II requested the publication of this clarification : The Catholic Church acknowledges the conciliar, ecumenical, normative and irrevocable value, as expression of the one common faith of the Church and of all Christians, of the Symbol professed in Greek at Constantinople in 381 by the Second Ecumenical Council. No profession of faith peculiar to a particular liturgical tradition can contradict this expression of the faith taught and professed by the undivided Church.

@nikopawlowic6557

Ай бұрын

@Hope_Boat you might be right about that, but didn't Saint Peter and Saint Paul have their own disagreements about whom should receive the gospel? Who was wrong then? And while I do acknowledge that your doctrine is by far better than what the catholic church has been doing recently, it makes me no less a believer in Jesus and a fellow Christian. I pray that you can find in your heart to not hold any hatred for me because I have none for you.

Wow this was a great video. Learned a few things I hadn’t heard about. Grateful for this channel. To God be the praise, glory, and joy. Amen

12:39 You realize the 2nd Ecumenical Council was presided over by a bishop that was not in communion with Rome?

I am (at present) an Eastern Orthodox. My wife is a hard-core Baptist but she still says, has always said, that the Eastern Orthodox were the first Protestants and that the Roman Church is the first church. For many years I refused stubbornly to even contemplate this but...as time goes on and the honeymoon is over (I converted in 2017) I see that the Eastern Orthodox has a deep serious issue and that is a lack of control. They basically have no control because their so-called governing principle does in fact not work at all. They can talk about it eloquently but the principle does not work in practice. Just look at the failure of the Pan-Orthodox council of 2016, with several churches not turning up. They had planned that council for 55 years. 55 years! Future councils will be even more difficult to organize given the schism between Constantinople (whose Patriarch is almost living in house arrest) and the Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia (who leads more than half of the world's Eastern Orthodox christians). This council was hardly a lesson of humility for the world to behold. Secondly, the Eastern Orthodox IS ethnic. It IS de facto nation-based regardless over how much ink is used to argue otherwise. Many Orthodox priests in the US seem unaware of or unwilling to admit to this. My country Sweden was never Orthodox, not in the present sense of that word. We have a few saints from before the Great Schism which zealous converts uses as proof of....well I am not too sure of what proof that really is...and they point to some Vikings who were supposedly Orthodox back in the day....1000 years ago. Not that it matters very much now mind you, looking down onto old graves from the 800s doesn't do much to enhance the spiritual life of me and my family. What we do need is services in the local language, Swedish, but there are only a few around. Most services are in Arabic, Greek, Finnish, Church Slavonic, Bulgarian, Romanian. I do not know any of those languages and I have no intention to start learning them in order to understand what is said, prayed and sung. Some do not even use Swedish for their service schedule. It is not too much much to ask for I feel, for me and my 11 year old daughter to be able to understand what is said in the services since the liturgy is so very rich. How is my daughter supposed to grow in the faith if she can hardly understand what is said? The people who go to Orthodox Church in my land all know Swedish, they have to, they go to schools here, they work and live here for goodness sake. Even if we somehow had a Swedish Orthodox Church it would still have to be canonically connected to an another Orthodox Church. And then there is the calendar issue. My parish uses the Old Julian calendar whereas our neighbor (the Greek Metropolitan) uses the New. It's not new of course since it's hundreds of years old. Thus we have two churches on the same street sharing the same faith which can't celebrate the Nativity of Christ on the same date. Some refer to the Old Julian Calendar as 'the calendar of the Fathers' which of course is complete pseudo-pious nonsense. Basically, if the service schedule at the door reads liturgy on Dec 25 then that liturgy celebrates events ascribed to Dec 12. If you go there on Jan 7, after the New Year, well then one will celebrate the Nativity because for them it is Dec 25. They certainly have no problem using the Gregorian calendar for the service schedule to inform people when a service is held. There was only one calendar before used in the church and the Fathers lived under a time when it was used. And that's it. A calendar is all about astronomy and mathematics, about the length of the solar year, it's not about faith. It's not about any Church Father. The Julian calendar is astronomically incorrect whereas the Gregorian is much more precise. The Eastern Orthodox Church has in reality no means to agree on or solve such a straightforward issue. They could agree to use the Revised Julian instead but then again, it would have to be adressed in a Great Council. The problem is known, even Bede in the 800s wrote about it. They planned to include the calendar issue in the 2016 council but it was not adressed I think. We had such a Great Council but it wasn't great, they bungled it. Mount Athos celebrates the Nativity of Christ on a different date than does Greece (Mount Athos is in Greece). Finland celebrates Pascha on a different date than the rest of Orthodoxy. Why not go 'full-Julian' and launch the fireworks in January (to the utter dismay of neighbors already fast asleep)? (They dare not do that because the Police will show up) And why don't our parish have the same bishop as the Greeks if he is under the Ecumenical Patriarchate? No our bishop is residing in New York in the Bulgarian Patriarchate there. Our bishop is not even living on the same continent as us. Why?! Because Constantinople dissolved the Russian Paris Exarchate. It's just a completely insane jurisdictional chaos in the diaspora. My people will however not listen to my complaints, they do get awfully defensive like a hedgehog if I adress the problems. My family has to drive 350 km to and from to go to a church service which we can hardly understand much of (Swedish services are only once a month). And I am not even complaining about any theological issue. Look at the broken communion between Constantinople and Moscow and the Russian Patriarch blessing fratricide and his priests blessing weapons. About Constantinople anyway, look at it now. It's not a seat of power, the Patriarch is experiencing extreme difficulties in a now Muslim land. The days of the Byzantine Empire are long gone. And who can excommunicate Patriarch Kirill? The man can thus build a church dedicated to the Russian Armed Forces, authorise frescoes of the Soviet Emblem and communist Red Army Soldiers while talking about Holy Rus. It was the Kremlin under that Soviet Emblem who tried to destroy the Russian Orthodox Church, not the West! There has been reports of the Russian church stopping their own priests from serving if they are opposed to the war. A war which is waged against Ukraine, a brother nation which has many Orthodox people. No, I say, we are the schismatics, not Rome. I am planning to convert, learning to pray the Rosary now. Pray for me brethren. Good video, kind regards!

@Hysterically_Accurate

Ай бұрын

Welcome home, brother. May the rift in our churches heal, and may the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church become One again.

@wenshan9101

Ай бұрын

Here's a conversation with an Orthodox priest. When asked if he considered the Orthodox East the continuing Catholic Church, he replied, "Yes, of course!" When asked if he would then call himself a Catholic, he offered silence and a wry smile instead. Personally, to be Christian is to be Catholic. For over 1000 years, there was no controversy, in spite of all the human failings. Those kept outside were considered 'brethen' no less. Separated in communion but never completely severed. Rome has never failed to invite the Eastern Patriarchs to most major events in the life of the Church. But when JPII wanted to make Apostolic visits to some Orthodox countries, he was at best treated with suspicion. One such visits even demanded a public apology from him. And yes, he agreed. Because at the heart of the matter, he recognised the pair of lungs keeping the faith alive. The universal Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, is one in Him. I welcome you back with great joy. But that is only because you have accepted the Church for what she is, the 'spotless Bride of Christ', in spite of her human failings. Otherwise, you will never feel family and home. Godbless!

@wms72

Ай бұрын

The Byzantine Catholic Church has the beautiful Divine Liturgy in the vernacular

@physiocrat7143

Ай бұрын

The Catholic Church in Sweden has been a war zone for decades. Things looked up when Benedict was Pope. Basically it is Lutheran plus the Pope. If you don't mind improperly dressed laypeople giving communion and Lutheran and Wesleyan hymns clumsily set to Swedish, you might find it acceptable.

Well done. I was looking forward to a vid like this

I’m glad I was born Into a Roman Catholic family, I love my faith and know it’s the true church that Jesus left in the hands of Peter.

@lacatusuionut4387

Жыл бұрын

The False prophet Bergoglio(or Pope Francis) is controlled by satan. Please read the Seal Of The Living God messages given to the last prophet Maria Divine Mercy by The Holy Trinity and The Holy Mary between 2010 - 2015. The last true Pope was Benedict XIV. The Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be in our generation!

@seekingtruth5637

11 ай бұрын

Roman Catholism has crumbled big time start from the head papacy

@irenemccann7032

11 ай бұрын

@@seekingtruth5637 dream on ,we’ve survived since Jesus left his church in the hands of Peter and we will carry on regardless of all the other man made religions .

@seekingtruth5637

11 ай бұрын

@irenemccann7032 look at the state of your church and popes its crumbled

@seekingtruth5637

11 ай бұрын

@irenemccann7032 let's start with 1986 Assisi and veneration of a false gospel the Quran

Speaking of which, there are schisms from the ortho church that came back to the Catholic Church. Most notably the Byzantine Rite & the Coptic Rite & so on. Pretty much any schism that exists, the Catholic Church has a rite that it came from

@TyrannicalReigner

Жыл бұрын

It goes both ways. St Alexis brought many uniate Roman Catholics in America back to the Orthodox Church

@TyrannicalReigner

Жыл бұрын

@@rangefinderz5135 My point was that it doesn't prove anything one way or another if it goes both ways. The doctrinal differences are major, actually. I could see how Roman Catholics would think so on the surface, but our worldview is far different than yours. In fact, you share more with protestants than you do with us. The Orthodox would be all for unification, actually, just not on the pope's terms. We do not see true unity in the pope's ring. We see true unity in conciliarity and oneness of dogma.

@TyrannicalReigner

Жыл бұрын

@@rangefinderz5135 They recognized primacy, but there was no "submission." The church was conciliar. Your church looks nothing like the first thousand years of Christianity, and now your services are barely distinguishable from protestantism and your schismatic bishop wants to eliminate any semblance of traditional worship you had, yet you still want us to believe we are supposed to unite around this one man. The lack of self awareness when you say our patriarchs dont want to lose power, yet the pope would never humble himself to a conciliar episcopate, is indicative of your projection.

@TyrannicalReigner

Жыл бұрын

@@rangefinderz5135 you say all this while ignoring the point from our perspective, which is that we do not find unity in one man, but in dogma and conciliarity. Somehow with our "flawed system" (from your perspective), we have preserved the traditions better than you. And no, it isn't just your current guy. It's been a history of one guy's that has made your church constantly evolve. The whole "nationalist" churches thing is played out and intentionally obtuse. We all have the same liturgy and the same chalice. How many different rites do you have all doing different things?

@TyrannicalReigner

Жыл бұрын

@@rangefinderz5135 I have no problem with being unified. We want all to come into the fold of the church. But you cannot join the church without repentance. We see ourselves as the true church as much as you do. When we see the Roman papal system, we see a hodge podge of sects (made up of sincere people no doubt) in various degrees of error all "uniting" around one man and calling it one and Catholic. That's not what One and Catholic mean to us. Just like a catechumen must renounce their former beliefs that are irreconcilable with church dogma, the papists would also have to renounce and repent of their errors, lest the bleed into the church.

Thank you for information very well put together

You should check when Germanic barbarians (who used forged documents as arguments) started becoming popes of Rome and wonder what happened there.

@cruznature7545

Ай бұрын

How about the times when Islam started selling the patriarch position to the highest bidder. Both religions have their dark history

@hxplxss1835

Ай бұрын

@@cruznature7545 Yet Orthodoxy doesn't make the claims of our patriarchs that Rome does. Not comparable.

@Hope_Boat

Ай бұрын

@@cruznature7545 "A Christian of the Fourth or Fifth Century would have felt less bewildered by the forms of piety current in the Eleventh Century than would his counterpart of the Eleventh Century in the forms of the Twelfth. The great break occurred in the transition period from the one to the other century. This change took place only in the West where, sometime between the end of the Eleventh and the end of the Twelfth Century, everything was somehow transformed. THIS PROFOUND ALTERATION OF VIEW DID NOT TAKE PLACE IN THE EAST where, in some respects, Christian matters are still today what they were then and what they were in the West before the end of the Eleventh Century." -After Nine Hundred Years by Cardinal Yves Congar (1904-1995) French Dominican Theologian

Wow- thank you for doing this work-

So the Eastern Orthodox had no problem with the Papacy until they decided they did? It makes no sense.

@LorenzoMasterConnector

5 ай бұрын

Because there is no other real reasons to leave.

@shobudski6776

5 ай бұрын

It makes no sense because that isn’t what happened. 😂

@DylanGames1000

5 ай бұрын

@@shobudski6776It is.

@dovikien1758

4 ай бұрын

because we didnt see a papacy we saw first among equals the position gave to rome

@EricAlHarb

3 ай бұрын

That’s not our position. We agree that the bishop of Rome has a primacy. But we define the primacy as being first amongst equal bishops.

It’s eastern churches reuniting with Rome, not western churches reuniting with Constantinople and Moscow, proving that the Catholic Church is the One True Church.

@RapidCycling07

Жыл бұрын

Exactly Stephen! Great point! That’s how we have most of our Eastern Catholic Churches (Eastern Rites). I haven’t heard of parts of Western Catholicism leaving Catholicism to have a reunion with the “Orthodox” Churches and thus becoming the Western “Orthodox” half of the so-called Eastern “Orthodox” Church. Sadly, pride and Satanic propaganda keep many who don’t desire the Truth enough to fully see the Truth that the Catholic Church is the One True Church of God, outside of which there is no salvation. We Catholics need to pray/sacrifice for their conversion to Catholicism. Viva Cristo Rey! ☦️

@DeaconYeabkal

Жыл бұрын

Weak Argument.

@alhilford2345

Жыл бұрын

True. The Catholic Church is the one true Church.

@seekingtruth5637

11 ай бұрын

​@alhilford2345 I agree tge Holy Catholic Church is the one true faith but not Romsn catholism

@Talktothehand.253

9 ай бұрын

Get real people. The first christian church was built in jerusalem. It was in the east that christianity was first founded. I come from the eastern orthodox church which was indeed before the catholic church. The schism is indeed because we will not bow down to the pope. The pope have been corrupted morally, ethically, sexual deviants. Not bowing down to those goats! 😡

This was very informative. Thanks

Excellent presentation. Thank you.

This video is so unintentionally conceptually bad I don't know how to communicate it without being dishonest but also being charitable. The videos chief and most obvious error is that it simple presumes upon papal supremacy from the get go. It does not discuss the fact that for over 100 years before 1204 the Roman Catholics were creating parallel jurisdictions in the West and east. This is definitionally schismatic...sort of a big detail to overlook. Finally anyone who appeals to Florence and Lyons is simply not aware of facts. Nicea 2 defines that an Ecumenical council has the reception of all the synods. Simply all the synods did not accept Lyons or Florence. St mark of Ephesus for example was one of the synods legates. This video literally contains nothing the least bit relevant to the question...not because I impute bad motives to the creator but because of ignorance. My apologies for being frank.

@me-ds2il

2 ай бұрын

No, no. Please, be frank and be bold about it

@me-ds2il

2 ай бұрын

Please be frank and be bold about it

In establishing a universal (catholic) family of faith during his active ministry, Jesus begins to redefine Israel in the figure of Mother Zion with his mother Mary kept in mind (Mt 12:47; Mk 3:32; cf. Jn 19:26-27): "Behold your mother." The nation shall no longer be defined by national boundaries or birthright, but by faith, as the New Zion or Church shall extend beyond its borders and receive the Gentiles into God’s family kingdom. The autocephalous ecclesial structures of the Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox churches are essentially national churches that fail to square with Christ's vision of His Church. Autocephaly is the status of a hierarchical Christian church whose head bishop (Patriarch) does not report to any higher-ranking bishop., viz. the Vicar of Christ (Bishop of Rome). Thus, it is the Orthodox and Oriental churches that are in schism.

@hxrx9670

Жыл бұрын

Neither by Christ or any apostle the title of "vicar of Christ" was used. The sole term is heretic since it states the absence of Christ and the need for a replacement on Earth. "I will be with you until the end of the days". For Orthodoxy, just like it was for all Church Fathers, Christ is always present, no need for a "vicar".

Your channel is a perfect example of how one should speak with clarity and charity🙂praise God for your seamless ability to lay out the truths of the beautiful Catholic faith to the laity 🙏

It might be better to say that the catholic church are those individual churches in communion with Rome. There are the Eastern Catholic churches, for example.

The bias in this is amazing. Catholic just means universal, so please stop calling the Roman Catholics Catholic as if theyare the only universal Christian’s. . The orthodox are all Catholic. The supremacy of the Pope of Rome was never the issue, but the filioque question was the main cause. You need to read more and learn some humility.

@cantrait7311

Жыл бұрын

Well then do a video and let’s see if your video is biased

@declanhart1617

Жыл бұрын

And the word Orthodox means essentially “correct belief.”

@essafats5728

Жыл бұрын

​@@declanhart1617 correct belief under their respective state/nation/region. They cant even agree on the universal "correct belief" regarding contraception, divorce, rebaptismal

@porteno7025

Жыл бұрын

orthodoxy's 4 eastern patriarchates are now mu slim cities. Istanbul, Cairo, Jerusalem, and Antioch. All fell within 4 centuries after 1054. Di vine just ice. Current Istanbul population: 15.46 million people. There are only 600 families that are greek orthodox out of that population of 15.46 million. A representation of 0.01%. Di vine just ice. There are 220 million eastern sch is matics worldwide and they're divided into 17 separate churches that h ate each other. The Russian church represents 50% of that total population of different orthodox churches worldwide. The russian church's leader ki rill is putin's b itch. 1.3 billion Catholics and growing. Di vine just ice. C ry h arder. Your s la vic t ears t ast e delicious.

Looking forward to watching this. I agree with the premise you are giving. It also seems that EO has a "spirit of Protestantism" if I may use a coloquialism, in that they reject the Pope and take the negative position against Rome, the same as Protestants. It usually is a pretty good indicator that the most hated Church on earth could very well be the true one. Scripture tells us that the world will hate the true Church. I'm a Bible college graduate and former Pastor, and am a Lutheran, on my way to converting to RC. It is simply undeniable, and remaining in any of these other groups is tantamount to "kicking against the pricks."

@fortunefair

8 ай бұрын

I heard from a personal revelation of a French priest recently with this wording, that "The Church will bleed from all of Her wounds." It indicates a very difficult time ahead, based on the fact that the Church, as the Bride of Christ, will have to suffer a Passion like Jesus.

@bernardauberson7218

3 ай бұрын

Les Églises orientales n’ont rien de commun avec les Églises protestantes pleines d’hérésies.

Been waiting for one of this videos.... nice. Thank you. Very informative and educational. 🙏🏻🙌🏻🫶🏻👍🏻☝🏻⛪️👌🏼✝️🕊🕊

Awesome video dude, good job!

great video ❤

I love your videos. Thank you for taking the time.

Dude, I’m Catholic in South Carolina. Your channel is awesome bro. Keep going! Deus vult!

How is Rome the true church when it came after Antioch and Jerusalem church? How is Rome the true church when they are the ones who added to the creed and drew a circle around themselves? All the evidence shows Rome broke away. Thats why Rome is not in communion with the other churches.

@essafats5728

Жыл бұрын

So which orthodox is the true church? They cant agree on contraception, divorce, re-baptismal. Is it Russia, who declared war on Ukraine; and the Patriarch of Russia wont even say Jack squat to their prime minister. Yep, the Orthodox are still state/national/regional churches.

@porteno7025

Жыл бұрын

orthodoxy's 4 eastern patriarchates are now mu slim cities. Istanbul, Cairo, Jerusalem, and Antioch. All fell within 4 centuries after 1054. Di vine just ice. Current Istanbul population: 15.46 million people. There are only 600 families that are greek orthodox out of that population of 15.46 million. A representation of 0.01%. Di vine just ice. There are 220 million eastern sch is matics worldwide and they're divided into 17 separate churches that h ate each other. The Russian church represents 50% of that total population of different orthodox churches worldwide. The russian church's leader ki rill is putin's b itch. 1.3 billion Catholics and growing. Di vine just ice. C ry h arder. Your s la vic t ears t ast e delicious.

@harrisonphillips8365

3 ай бұрын

The EOC also doesn’t have the original creed

@AlexanderTate.

3 ай бұрын

@@harrisonphillips8365 if it wasn’t for the Eastern Orthodox churches, then how would you know there is a different creed?

@harrisonphillips8365

3 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderTate. the original creed isn’t from eastern “orthodoxy” it’s from the council of Nicaea, the original had no mention of the Holy Spirit in it. (The creed was created when the east was in union with Rome) so no the creed isn’t eastern “orthodox”

Thank you ❤️

How did the Orthodox Church split? Are you serious? The Patriarch of Rome split from the Orthodox Church.

@jlouis4407

Ай бұрын

There was no church called the Orthodox Church

@nitrianskehosamospravnehok4397

Ай бұрын

⁠@@jlouis4407That’s because the Orthodox Church means the correct teaching. So yes there was. You’re just too blind to see the fact that schism only exists due to the Orthodox disagreement with Rome

@thieph

7 күн бұрын

​@@jlouis4407do you even know the meaning of the words?

My video would be much shorter. It goes something like this: Was Peter the bishop of Rome, or the bishop of vague eastern-ness?

Now I want to know more about the Orthodox Church because I didn’t understand any of that. If their Eucharist is valid, then how are they in schism? Beautiful churches, by the way. Thanks for the video.

@GamerTech2001

9 ай бұрын

St. Ignatius - Where the bishop is, there is the Catholic Church. So yes I also wonder this same thing. Lord have mercy.

@universalflamethrower6342

5 ай бұрын

Read into Fatima

@contemplatingchrist

3 ай бұрын

Their eucharist is valid because of apostolic succession. Their divine liturgy is identical to eastern catholicism, as well as sacraments.

@arturobm1073

2 ай бұрын

They are in schism because they declare they are not part of the Catholic Church, even though the Catholic Church has accepted Orthodox sacraments and saints. It's the Orthodox deep pride and regionalism what keep them away from the Catholic Church.

@Hope_Boat

Ай бұрын

Orthodox here. What happened in the 11th century according to the French Cardinal and theologian Yves Congar (Dient in 1995) : "A Christian of the Fourth or Fifth Century would have felt less bewildered by the forms of piety current in the Eleventh Century than would his counterpart of the Eleventh Century in the forms of the Twelfth. The great break occurred in the transition period from the one to the other century. This change took place only in the West where, sometime between the end of the Eleventh and the end of the Twelfth Century, everything was somehow transformed. THIS PROFOUND ALTERATION OF VIEW DID NOT TAKE PLACE IN THE EAST where, in some respects, Christian matters are still today what they were then and what they were in the West before the end of the Eleventh Century." Why? Because the chair of Rome fall in the hands of the Germans by 1014. And the germans wanted a schism between Rome and the east because they had "inherited" the Western Roman empire with the help of the forged Donation of Constantine. The second ever German pope, count Bruno von Egisheim-Dagsburg, alias Leo IX, claimed the imperial insignia for himself and constituted an imperial Roman Pontifical state, (Pontifex Maximus is the religious title of the Roman emperors) along with a Roman Senate (assembly of Cardinals) wearing the imperial scarlet and purple, ans a State Chancellor, the infamous Humbert de Moyenmoutiers who provoked the schism of 1054. Leo IX kickstarted the Gregorian Reformation that turned the Church of Rome into a personal religion of the Roman Pontiff, culminating with the proclamation fo the dogma of salvation by submission to the Roman Pontiff in 1304 (Unam Sanctam). A rebirth of the personal cult of the Roman Emperor. Babylon.

Hello, can I ask you where you got your information from? Thanks.

And now here in 2023, we have a Pope who does not clarify anything (other than it seems, defend sodomy) nor defend perennial church teaching and discipline. We now have many (not all) German bishops ready to once again break away from the true Roman Church.

Which form of the Mass do you attend?

I was Greek Orthodox for a little bit, but the big thinks that converted me to Catholicism was Purgatory and the Pope, which are clearly seen in scripture, but Orthodoxy denies.

@hxrx9670

Жыл бұрын

Keep studying, purgatory was invented in the middle ages, papolatry in Rome started after the Franks took the western church and replaced their bishops according to their political agenda. Orthodoxy keeps the same faith after 2000 plus years, while Rome has pachamama and lgbt propaganda.

@alhilford2345

Жыл бұрын

​@@hxrx9670 : You have been misinformed.

@hxrx9670

Жыл бұрын

@@alhilford2345 explain how Rome went from filoque, indulgencies, imploding in reformation, Vatican 2, and now Pachamama and Agenda 2030, while Orthodoxy keeps the same faith from 2000 and plus years despite muslim invasion and communist overtake. I hear you.

@vitorleal9254

Жыл бұрын

​@@hxrx9670purgatory is and was a jewish doctrine

@hxrx9670

Жыл бұрын

@@vitorleal9254 Yes.

What about Holy Inquisition? Is it fron Christ or Satan?

It cannot be that a single bishop even the Bishop of Rome has authority to overrule a church council, the canons of which are fruit of discernment and the work of the Holy Spirit. The Pope has no authority to unilaterally overrule an entire council (two in fact) and insert the filioque which I might add multiple popes also rejected until nearly the 10th century. If so, why bother with a council at all? Why not just call all of the other bishops in the world an ad hoc advisory council to the Bishop of Rome who may or may not consider their recommendations at his discretion? How's that working out with Pope Francis and adherence to apostolic tradition?

@jlouis4407

Ай бұрын

Council canons have to be approved by the Pope, always have

@ablarod948

Ай бұрын

@@jlouis4407 Yes, that's true, also for each of the Orthodox patriarchs, I believe. But that's a different situation; one of whether the pope accepts initially the canons for the church. What can not happen is that once those canons are accepted, a future pope rejects them, as was done with the filioque. In as much as we have to accept the inerrancy of scripture, we have to accept the working of the Holy Spirit in a legitimate church council. If this is true, then the latter pope's action are against the Holy Spirit. That can't be right.

This is an interesting argument that essentially accepts the Orthodox position that only ecumenical councils can establish articles of faith. What were these councils in the 13th and 15th Centuries? Weren't they essentially political in nature? The East had been asking for military help from the West to defend against Turkish Muslim incursions from the time of the 1st Crusade, in the waning years of the 11th Century, and yet the Eastern Empire became ever weaker (in part due to the treacherous 4th Crusade). Yes, these councils were called to decide theological questions, settle doctrinal differences, but they were obviously held under duress, these were "agreements" that the weak conceded to the strong. None of the "Seven Holy Ecumenical Councils" had that quality. Also, it is untrue that ecumenical (all church) councils were never overturned. At the Council of Hieria in 754, the Church endorsed an iconoclast position and declared image worship to be blasphemy. This was overturn at the Council of Nicaea in 787. In 449, Theodosius II summoned a council at Ephesus, where Eutyches was exonerated and returned to his monastery. This council was later overturned by the Council of Chalcedon in 451 and labeled "Latrocinium" ("Robber Council"). Were the differences between the East and West significant even as late as the 15th Century, when crusades were still being organized to defend Christendom? I don't think so.

So then when we go to the judgment are we judged based on what denomination we were in or how well we followed Jesus commands? I rest my case

@ST-ov8cm

Ай бұрын

Jesus told us in Matthew 16:18 that he came to establish His Church and he told us in Matthew 18:17 that His Church is to be the final arbiter of disputes among the faithful. Yes, I believe you are correct; we SHOULD follow Jesus’ commands.

Onward to 5k subscribers!

@imisschristendom5293

Жыл бұрын

Alright!!

Benedict XVI, Principles of Catholic Theology, 1982, p. 381: "If it is desirable to offer a diagnosis of the text [of the Vatican II document, Gaudium et Spes] as a whole, we might say that (in conjunction with the texts on religious liberty and world religions) it is a revision of the Syllabus of Pius IX, a kind of counter syllabus… As a result, the one-sidedness of the position adopted by the Church under Pius IX and Pius X in response to the situation created by the new phase of history inaugurated by the French Revolution, was, to a large extent, corrected..."[69] So which version of papalism are you suppose to follow the Vatican 2 version or before Vatican which even is different from the papalist church just after the schism, this constant changing church calling eastern Orthodox schematics and I agree we are schematic but not in the way you say, because we can't have union with a heretical church in anyway. But we are with Christ, and his church. Do cart wheels all you want a bunch of gymnastics truth is the truth and you are attacking Christ's church and you will one day have to hold an account for your actions

I have a question. Has the Orthodox Church modernized and washed down, protestantized in their liturgy like the Roman Catholic Church has? Just curious.

@user-kc7hc5ur2c

Жыл бұрын

No, it's the most traditional on that sense

@user-vj9qz3br6l

Жыл бұрын

@@user-kc7hc5ur2c Ok, thanks

@porteno2260

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-vj9qz3br6l orthodoxy's 4 eastern patriarchates are now mu slim cities. Istanbul, Cairo, Jerusalem, and Antioch. All fell within 4 centuries after 1054. Di vine just ice. Current Istanbul population: 15.46 million people. There are only 600 families that are greek orthodox out of that population of 15.46 million. A representation of 0.01%. Di vine just ice. There are 220 million eastern sch is matics worldwide and they're divided into 17 separate churches that h ate each other. The Russian church represents 50% of that total population of different orthodox churches worldwide. The russian church's leader ki rill is putin's b itch. 1.3 billion Catholics and growing. Di vine just ice. C ry h arder. Your s la vic t ears t ast e delicious.

@mallorysplace303

3 ай бұрын

How’s it going now that Greek Orthodox Church just legalized and condoned gay marriage lol

@thomas5585

3 ай бұрын

Most, except for ROCOR.

This is another great example of the GREAT WORK of I Miss Christendom”. This is arguably the most disappointing aspect of the breakup of Christianity.

Amen Hallelujah.

What is more important: truth or unity?

When I left Protestantism and was faced with the choice of orthodox or Catholic it was clear that modern Catholics had diverged from original teachings and worship and only the traditional Latin Catholic practice was original. Which begs the question, why would I submit to Rome if you won’t? I feel very happy in Orthodoxy. If you miss Christendom you should covert since we all still support Monarchy and double eagle and tradition and Divine Liturgy etc. You’ll never get that back in Catholic Church which proofs Orthodox position. Let alone the filouque heresy invention and innovation of papal supremacy.

What is the theme music for your videos? thanks

Your video is excellent and much needed, but please use the correct dating: A.D. is capitalized before the numerical date. A.D. is Latin for ANNO DOMINI, "in the year of Our Lord." (Latin only had what we call capital letters.)

What about the same sex aprovall from the Pope?

make more videos on orthodoxy please

The rough part is i do think some of the things they get right, albeit ultimately inconsequential, i consider somewhat appealing (immersive baptism, maintaining the Saturday Sabbath, et. Al). But yes, it's bizarre that nearly a millennium under the papacy they suddenly reject it.

@beatlecristian

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I thought, they had no problem with the Papacy until they decided that they did? It doesn’t make sense.

@hxrx9670

Жыл бұрын

@@beatlecristian Saint Paul corrected Saint Peter, there was no "papolatry" back then, just the first (elder) bishop among equals under the synod of churches.

@nathangraham2189

Жыл бұрын

@@hxrx9670 Do you think that Catholics think the Pope is inerrant or divine? Certainly not: he’s a sinner as are us all, and outside the limited and very select circumstances of ex cathedra, can and does err like anyone else. And St. Paul’s statement about dressing down Peter proves the point more than detracts from it: Paul clearly thought of Peter as THE guy. His statement would be akin to a Secretary in the President’s cabinet saying “I even told the President he was wrong.” The statement UNDERSCORES the authority and place of the President, rather than detracting from it.

@hxrx9670

Жыл бұрын

@@nathangraham2189 my friend, I know all the roman catholic arguments in favor of the Pope supremacy, because I was raised roman catholic myself in the most roman catholic place in the world right now, Southamerica. It took me ten years to study it and realize were the ancient Catholic tradition was. Certainly, not in The Vatican. One of the things that is clear like a symptom in roman theology is how it always leads to compare the Church with worldly hierarchy and earthly power, not to mention the legalistic and sterile doctrine that led to the causes of reformation (an exclusivelly western phenomena). All the good things left in roman catholicism are far well preserved in Orthodox Catholicism. Because Orthodoxy is Catholicism, we still state that in the Nicean Creed at the Liturgy.

@nathangraham2189

Жыл бұрын

@@hxrx9670 We state the Nicean Creed too, as you know. And? My analogy to the President and a Secretary of his saying he told him he was wrong “to his face” was just that: an analogy. We have to make analogies to other earthly things because that’s ALL WE KNOW in our common experience. That you think it says something pernicious about Catholicism is, frankly, a bit silly. But I love my Orthodox brothers and sisters and wish nothing but the best for you. Pax Christi.

*"ERROR"* After the Holy Roman emperor Charlemagne was crowned emperor by the Pope, the emperor declared the Pope of Rome to have primacy over all the others. Therefore Charlemagne really exalted the Papacy after which the Roman church grew by leaps & bounds. Therefore the speaker saying that the Church of Rome is the true church bc it has no political affiliation is in: *"ERROR"*

@user-je5ib5nv8u

2 ай бұрын

so Charlemagne being born is bad got it.

@me-ds2il

2 ай бұрын

I didn't say Charlemagne being born was bad did I? Take it any way you like. But the fact is that the Catholic church, east & west has had political affiliations & vice versa for may hundreds of years. All the way back to Constantine. To pretend like only the Eastern Orthodox only have been is either ignorance or lying And learn to read properly

Proud Byzantine here 😊

I am Catholic, but if he holly sprit guides the councils did it guide Vatican II?

@Murph_gaming

3 ай бұрын

Why wouldn't it?

@OrthodoxStudy-wd5nk

2 ай бұрын

The Holy Spirit can't be involved in heresy therefore he wasn't at Vatican 2

@vladgor4099

2 ай бұрын

@@Murph_gaming Read about it

The protestant Deformation was a total disaster, and not just for the Church, but for the world in general.

Jude 11 proves that there is authority over the church. Protestants and the Orthodox say the same thing to Peter that Korah said to Moses in Numbers 16:3.

Could you make a video about the Filioque?

@franknwogu4911

5 ай бұрын

Watch Dwong , he was multiple videos on the filioque

What are your thoughts on the Western Church insisting on Pastoral celibacy?

@eddardgreybeard

Жыл бұрын

They practice celibacy also. As in: if you're single at the time of your ordination, you cannot marry. If you are married and she predeceases you, you cannot remarry. It's honestly only slightly different than Catholicism, and in some instances Catholicism will ordain a married pastor, but the same rules apply.

@cantrait7311

Жыл бұрын

It’s a doctrine not a dogma Doctrines change Dogmas dont

@Recusant_

10 ай бұрын

Our Ordinariate priests are married

@thomasdonohue1833

7 ай бұрын

Celibacy is a church rule and can be changed at any time. In the east a married man can be ordained a priest. I single man when ordained in the east must remain singles (celibate). In the east bishops are chosen from among the celibates. A married man cannot be a bishop

Orthodox here. I watch your content and that of other Catholics with respect. The schism is, and will not be reconciled. Could anyone suggest otherwise under the current direction of the papacy (not just Francis)? We all know what, and who, is coming, likely within our lifetimes. This is no time for in-fighting among Christians. I can say that the Orthodox have not deviated one iota from the true faith.

@theAwkwardAvocado

20 күн бұрын

But when you limit the Holy Spirit from proceeding from the Son, are you not committing blasphemy against the Spirit or the Son?

The problem I have with the east which I love soo much the actual church members refuse to hear any pints that are counter to what they listen to. When they get cornered they get upset and blame the other for getting upset lol it’s like if you’re stuff stands it stands or it doesn’t don’t get upset when you get cornered lol

This is an extremely simplistic presentation. For example, he states that the Patriarch of Constantinople was celebrating an Easter Vigil on the day that Cardinal Humbert served the bull of excommunication. Easter Vigil in July? The excommunication occurred on 16 July 1054 -- hardly a date for "Easter" (actually, for Pascha).

You mentioned sedevacantism and I must correct you that not recognising present claimant to the papacy as pope and rejecting papacy as such are not the same

As someone born and raised Catholic, i would recommend reading “Two Paths: Orthodoxy and Catholicism” by Michael Whelton (also born and raised Catholic).

this is a really good video and explanation.

We're about to have another split if these American conservatives don't stop rejecting the authority of the Pope over stupid politics.

@user-zi7gd9pn3l

6 ай бұрын

As an American conservative this is facts. People don't realize that the personal politics of the pope are irrelevant and fallible, so these same people become schismatics just like the orthos.

You are wrong on two points. One, the orthodox do distinctly believe in Immaculate Conception. She is referred to as the holy virgin. Two, Christ gave ALL his disciples authority, after the resurrection. Not just Paul. He was deemed, first among equals. That was the the way the early church was founded. Still true among Prelates and the Patriarch. He is not iinfallible. Christ did not make the bishop of Rome, who is no called the Pope that designation. The bishops in the early church were equals. The change came when the political ruler in Rome told him and his counterparts that the Roman bishop was the head of the Church. As far as the difference between Moscow and Constantinople. That was a poor decision of the bishop in Moscow, who calls himself the patriarch due to his political alignment with the government. It is not a spiritual decision. It is unfortunate, but it has nothing to do with the spiritually and validity of the church. And as far as the ethnicity and eastern orthodox church, it is what keeps that church strong and valid. It is seen and many of the dissolutions, especially in the United States of the Catholic Church, where the faith has been watered down and the masses minuscule of what it was.

Hummm... You bring up the leavened/unleavened issue but there is a problem... Until the mid 7th century, the west used leavened bread as well. Their transition to unleavened bread was gradual. Additionally, the Schism was NOT over the leavened/unleavened issue. It was only Patriarch Michael of Constantinople made a small issue of it but it wasn't an issue overall.

I was born Protestant, and Baptized Protestant in 1982. In 1987 I went through RCIA and became Catholic which I still am today. I am so glad that I am Catholic. Indeed, at age 51 I still serve Mass. Adult servers are very common these days. So I served my Pastor, Monigmor John J. Yonk (whom I believe to be a Saint) from 1987 to 1991, and our current Pastor, Father Wayne Morris asked me to serve Mass again in 2022. Since November 2023 I've been the regular server for all vigil Masses in the Ironton Parish.

It is true that this and other aspects that you brought up are a contentious issue close to the end of your video you brought up historical aspects referring to what the orthodox never bring up. They put the blame on the Catholic Church but they don’t seem to understand that a number of emperors linked arms with Muslims in order to get what they wanted I’m not saying in the west it wasn’t done but it was partly done in the eastern half. You get that in Albania Bulgaria and then they wonder why the countries were taken over by Muslims. also on top of this Luther Calvin also went against the Catholic Church and they were getting coffers from Muslims for their wars against the Catholic Church. The great guy to listen to is Lloyd de Jongh he has a number of great programs dealing with these issue. He is not a Catholic but he sounds definitely like a Catholic show his sources. Enjoy your program. God bless.

How many Popes were there before 1054?

@franknwogu4911

5 ай бұрын

go to the catholic website, they have all the popes there

This is decidedly partisan, but enlightening as to the Roman view of the history.

I think both orthodox and Catholics are going to need to have a big piece of humble pie each for them to unite.

@Dreamingofivoryart

6 ай бұрын

Jesus coming back as a Muslim would be great

@Nerdskov

6 ай бұрын

Why?

@Dreamingofivoryart

6 ай бұрын

@@Nerdskov would be a perfect serving of humble pie far too many Christian’s justifying Genocïde rn. Orth. & Cath/ prots included

@Nerdskov

6 ай бұрын

Christian’s justifying genocide? If you mean in Gaza what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians honestly more Protestants are on that train than the other Christian denominations. I can tell you for sure in my Orthodox community we have condemned Israel’s actions.

@Dreamingofivoryart

6 ай бұрын

@@Nerdskov not all but like half , it’s disturbing

Thanks for making more orthodox videos brother! I have recently left protestantism and have been attending an orthodox church but I sense that they are very anti-west in nature but half my family's Catholic and I have respect for the Western tradition not the modernism going on in the Catholic church but the real Catholic Church so thank you for giving me more western side of the stance because not many people do a good job sadly on KZread

@franciscoguzman1065

Жыл бұрын

@Johnathan Price there’s no such thing as modernism. I hate that word. The church is still being guided by the Holy Spirit. Not all Catholics accept abortion etc whatever issues. Catholics need to learn how to defend their faith against other man made religions.

@richardguzman2108

Жыл бұрын

There are western rite Orthodox churches that recreate pre schism Western Liturgies.

@hxrx9670

Жыл бұрын

Yes, we should stick to our western mentality of democracy, progress, liberalism, lgbt rights, tolerance, globalism and climate change awareness that make the core of our faith, just like Pope Francis says God wants. 🙏

@Johnathan909309

Жыл бұрын

@@hxrx9670 that's clearly not what I'm talking about brother those all fall under modernism within the Catholic Church

@costakeith9048

Жыл бұрын

@@Johnathan909309 You can draw a straight line from scholasticism to the enlightenment, passing right through the reformation. These are the fruits of the western tradition, this is what you get when you replace the teachings of the Cappadocian fathers, which are the bedrock of Orthodoxy, with Aristotle. We're only anti-western insofar as we seek to avoid the errors of the west and the destruction they have wrought. I don't know of any Orthodox who do not think it is tragic that the west has fallen, but when they worship pagan goddesses and place idols upon their altars, I don't know how you could say they have not.

Sir, it is clear that you understand early history and it is also clear that you understand the development of Christianity in the western area as well as the east.. and to your credit I will assume that you understand the different rights which occur along the Catholic faith which are valid and licit and blessed by the Holy Father through the authority of St Peter. Saint Cyril and Methodius used the vernacular because of their apostolate.. and there are a hundred and 1 million documentation about rational ideas which question this phrase. Please allow this suggestion. Let us pray Orthodox and Catholic and everyone else who is interested in the beauty of our Lord and salvation

The only problem now is, do we have a pope? The guy who says "Call me Jorge" is hardly Catholic, let alone pope.

where Peter is, there is the Church. it is sufficient to believe in the words and promises of Jesus Christ to Peter when He gave Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven and promised him that hell will never overcome the church and that Jesus will be forever with the church until the end of time. so if you fail to believe this, then everything you believe becomes a lie. I would rather become an atheist than believe in a lie or a liar.

Good!

Don Bosco has an explanation why the Orthodox split and it was mainly politics even maybe personal ambition

For those coming into the Catholic Church from a Protestant background, having to make this decision between the EOC and RC church is the most painful, and I mean, tears in my eyes painful. It is difficult for those born to Catholicism to appreciate how tragic this split really was and still is. Protestantism can be seen as foolish in fairly short order if you study a little church history, but there is much of beauty, wisdom and truth in the EOC.

Here is why i am not Catholic (coptic ortho) papacy is false but first let's properly define papal infallibility Vatican II explained the doctrine of infallibility as follows: “Although the individual bishops do not enjoy the prerogative of infallibility, they can nevertheless proclaim Christ’s doctrine infallibly. This is so, even when they are dispersed around the world, provided that while maintaining the bond of unity among themselves and with Peter’s successor, and while teaching authentically on a matter of faith or morals, they concur in a single viewpoint as the one which must be held conclusively. This authority is even more clearly verified when, gathered together in an ecumenical council, they are teachers and judges of faith and morals for the universal Church. Their definitions must then be adhered to with the submission of faith” (Lumen Gentium 25). meaning that the bishop can be a complete utter scoundrel but god will keep him from teaching heresy and he will be able to teach the doctrines of the lord infallibly. The way to refute it is to point out an example of a pope who taught heresy or contradicted another infallible pope here i am talking about the monothelite and dyothelite controversy third Constantinople declared dyothelitism to be the truth and monothelitism to be a heresy (i am a monothelite BTW)one of those who were monothelites and were anathematized by the council was Pope Honorius I. This is from his Wikipedia article. In the Third Council of Constantinople on 16 September 681,[7] the monothelites were anathematized by name "and with them Honorius, who was Prelate of Rome, as having followed them in all things" in the XIII session. Citing his written correspondence with Sergius, Honorius was subsequently accused of having confirmed his impious doctrines; the XVI session reaffirmed the condemnation of the heretics explicitly stating "to Honorius, the heretic, anathema!",[8][9] and concluding with the decree of the XVII session that Honorius had not stopped provoking scandal and error in the Body of the Church; for he had "with unheard of expressions disseminated amidst the faithful people the heresy of the one will", doing so "in agreement with the insane false doctrine of the impious Apollinaire, Severus and Themistius".[10] The Roman legates made no objection to his condemnation.[1] Pope Leo II's letter of confirmation of the Council commended it for it had "perfectly preached the definition of the true faith"[11] and made reference to the condemnation of his predecessor:[12] We anathematize the inventors of the new error, that is, Theodore, Bishop of Pharan, Sergius, Pyrrhus, Paul, and Peter, betrayers rather than leaders of the Church of Constantinople, and also Honorius, who did not attempt to sanctify this Apostolic Church with the teaching of apostolic tradition, but by profane treachery permitted its purity to be polluted.[10]. This is the embarrassing answer on the Catholic answers website. Answer: No pope has ever been found to be a heretic. The accusation is sometimes thrown around is that Pope Honorius was a heretic. However, he was never actually accused of being a heretic during his lifetime. Pope Honorius was condemned for not stepping in to stop a heresy and thus was considered guilty of its spread. He was not condemned as actually believing or teaching the heresy. this is embarrassing i don't even want to talk about it so let's move on. peter was obviously special but not as much as Catholics make him out to be Matthew 16:18-19 New International Version 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.”. This passage is often cited as proof for the papacy but read this Matthew 18:18 New International Version 18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[a] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[b] loosed in heaven. Here Jesus gives the apostles the same authority to bound and loose does the first passage mean that Jesus gave this authority only to peter no but to all of the apostles why are the keys to the kingdom considered an exception. Peter never acted with supreme authority as the one with the last word he was even opposed by other apostles. Galatians 2:11-14 English Standard Version Paul Opposes Peter 11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.[a] 13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”. This is self explanatory let's look at the next example. Acts 15 who declared the decisions of the council of Jerusalem was it peter or the bishop of Jerusalem yes ot was the bishop of Jerusalem james if peter has all authority why didn't he do that instead of James. Rome isn't the only petrine see Antioch is also a petrine see why isn't the papacy theirs obviously because it fell into muslim handa while the christians in Antioch suffered under muslim rule rome flourished as the center of Christianity therefore if we are to the supremacy of the petrine see we should do the same with Antioch. Secondly i am not sure if we can really say peter was the first pope the one who established the church of Rome is paul not peter peter was a late comer to the party he was definitely martyred there (read first clement). And he definitely taught there and definitely helped paul but probably choosing linus was mostly Paul's decision. We don't have any evidence to support that peter intended for the position to have universal jurisdiction over all of Christendom the same applies to Antioch if he really wanted the position to have universal authority instead of local authority he would have chosen someone else with that i am referring to john the deciple whom Jesus loved (lived till the 90s) and was also called by Paul one of the three pillars of the church. Why did he chose some random nobody from Rome instead of john unless he didn't want this position to be universally authoritative because that means linus and a few other popes were more authoritative than the apostle john himself

I love my Catholic brothers and sisters but we really need to remember, “you shall know them by their fruits.” And you’ve really got to dig deep into history to understand the full scope of what those fruits really are for both the Catholic and Orthodox churches. I strongly recommend to anyone interested in getting the complete picture with the Orthodox perspective also taken into account to watch Orthodox Ethos’ examination of Catholicism: kzread.infobTOkG5G9lUY?si=lW7MYPNLvebQK1Bw

Another fact you could’ve used: Humbert’s excommunication was invalid. The pope had died, so Humbert didn’t even have the authority to act on behalf of Rome. Both Humbert and Celularius were aware of this, yet Celularius retaliated with his own bull anyway (when he should’ve ignored it since Humbert’s wasn’t worth anything). So, technically, the excommunication was one sided.

@imisschristendom5293

Жыл бұрын

Yea, I thought about that

@dp34576

6 ай бұрын

Source on Humbert/Celularius knowing that +Leo had died?

You did excellent on this video as Historians do so poorly on it because they always push from the Protestants side, even when they don't say anything about Religion. It's hard to believe that MAN would allow, Language to separate them and straight our Power Hungry Countries and Empire Leaders. In these days, we all need the Orthodox to return and give up the childish argument. One Orthodox Bishop who's Orthodox churches returned back to Catholic Rome. The fight is this, the Parent say, this but the children want to prove to the their parents that they are right even when they are wrong. Listen to your parents and that Parent is the Pope him the children of Orthodox feel they can't in these days, based on Conservative Principles and that they say , now the churches are to different but that is not true for other Churches that are Orthodox show who is speaking about this? Let me also add that Calvinism also played a role of Propaganda against the Catholic Church.

Why is it that Anglicans are not considered an original church

Very impressive and concise video. Out of so many I have seen, this is at the top.

You forgot to mention Photian schism

is it true that only Catholics go to heaven and orthodox wont im very scared of hell

@vassilopoula

8 ай бұрын

Pray to Our Lady every night, Trust to Her this fear. God bless

@anthonyrodriguez6181

Ай бұрын

No brother. Follow Christ and pray he shows you the truth. If you abide in your faith and show Christ through your works that you love him, only he knows your heart and intentions.

Catho Temples, your father is a beast !

If all baptized Christians are in the Church in the spiritual sense, then that would mean even Protestants are in the Church in the spiritual sense.

@imisschristendom5293

Жыл бұрын

If they are baptized properly, their baptism is Catholic. Not baptist, methodist, etc.

@ginomaietta2702

5 ай бұрын

by properly you mean after repenting of your sin and believing Christ is our savior like in the new testament over and over? or insignificant sprinkling of an infant who doesn't know what's going on? @@imisschristendom5293

@vladgor4099

2 ай бұрын

@@imisschristendom5293 Whats important? To be baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Or in Roman Catholicism?

Imagine looking at the fruits of the Roman church since schism and believing this... Nothing against the laity, I know many Catholics that love Christ, but the fruits of the church are rotten

@franciscoguzman1065

Жыл бұрын

@Leatherfoot Seeker learn about the history of the church 🤡 and not the lies made about the church made up by Protestants who are heretics John 15:18. Also the orthodox are indeed in schism because when Constantine came he got involved with church affairs and made his own church in the east Constantinople which had no apostolic succession. The east slowly starting to separate themselves from the chair of Peter. Learn your history and don’t make up stuff .

@mariorizkallah5383

Жыл бұрын

@@franciscoguzman1065 Wow how can someone be as wrong as you are

@alhilford2345

Жыл бұрын

And just how would YOU describe the "..fruits of the 'Roman' church..."? The past two thousand years of history, but take your time... ( I'm guessing that by ROMAN you are referring to the Catholic Church, Latin Rite ?)

@achilles4242

Жыл бұрын

Nothing says rotten Catholic fruit like hundreds of thousands of schools, hospitals, charities, food pantries, hospices, etc. all across the world. Give me a break. We surely would not contest or call rotten these things when the Orthodox do them. Why then when Catholics do them? Is it because they do it on a much larger scale all over the world?

@AlexanderTheFarmer

Жыл бұрын

The ones leaving the Catholic Church because of some clown masses are just damning themselves to hell, the True Church of the Lord God itself is not the problem, the people are the problem. The devil doesn't rest, he keeps trying to drag souls to hell and he is doing one hell of a job at it unfortunately.

That's some real revionist history right there. You also don't seem to understand how councils work. It's not a majority rule situation and it never has been. Papal supremacy and infallibility are easily disproved. Peter never claimed supremacy and was definitely fallible, so much so in fact that Paul had to rebuke him at one point because Peter was spreading heresy. It's right there in Galations, but Catholics don't believe in the Bible anymore, the apostles, or even Jesus. They only worship the pope. That's not real Christianity.

@Rabbit19964

Ай бұрын

Acts 15 Peter spoke infallibly when deterring issues without scripture Isaiah 22 describes the transfer of authority between a Prime Bishop to Another , Verse 15 is in line with the words of Christ to Peter Christ said the Spirit would lead them to truth And all in Acts and the Epistles the Apostles clearly identified it is either the Holy Spirit speaking for them or their determination is inline with The Holy Spirit. If Christ is a Shepard what is his church without a Shepard? Feed my sheep, Tend my Flock. The Pope on Faith and Morals is Infallible

@SolidSnake0

Ай бұрын

@@Rabbit19964 so as far as Acts 15 I see nothing that says anything about Peter teaching in an "infallible" manner. I'm guessing that you either misquoted or that you were suggesting that Peter in his statements at that time were without error. Which I would agree with, but to be infallible would mean to always teach without error and Peter, certainly did not. That's just a fact. As for your Isaiah reference, it has nothing to do with Peter whatsoever. It was about replacing Shebna, who was likely a negligent priest, with Eliakim. Hope that clears up the confusion.

@Rabbit19964

Ай бұрын

@@SolidSnake0 So he was wrong that in order to be Christian you have to be circumcised first?

@Rabbit19964

Ай бұрын

@@SolidSnake0 Also just Google who Eliakim is and his role and look at Matthew 1 geneology

@Rabbit19964

Ай бұрын

@@SolidSnake0 Also Matthew 16:17 is clearer for you about what it means to speak infallibly. It’s only been used twice, quit being a Meiser and applying to the human nature and rejecting the Holy Spirit

12:19 Purgatory is considered Personal Theology but it's still Heretical. It was Acceptance of Papal Authority on Geo-Political Bounds, not Theology. Doesn't prove your point at all when Europe was Saved from Muslim Conquest by non-Filioque thinking Martyrs in the East and West for Centuries.

Protestans are also not a new church, they are rather a reformed church. Luther was a catholic priest, so consequently we can say that there was the sucsession from apostles in lutheran church. We can get stuck in this discussion for ages: who was from whom, who was first. But the truth is that all Christians are from apostles by receiving the faith from previous generation. Othodox and roman catholics will never agree who was first, additionally they are also internally devided. I asked God once - who is right, who is the church? And I received followong answers: Mar 4:30-32: "And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it." and: Rom 14:17-23: "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offense. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

lmao, virtually no mention of the filioque and papal forgeries through its history.

@cruznature7545

2 ай бұрын

Eastern Orthodox are no white doves either.

@USDebtCrisis

2 ай бұрын

That's because they are cheap excuses that EO laypeople throw out because they don't understand that the issue is political and not theological