When asking grandma to right down her favorite recipes that she learned from her mother, she sometimes can’t because she didn’t use measuring spoons and cups. She just learned by sight and touch. How much is a pinch? How much is a dash? The techno-dweebs will have to work it out themselves.

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

Sounds about right. Which reminds me that I need to work out and actually write down a consistent step by step for chili, and figure out a good spice mixture.

@thetraveler5798

Жыл бұрын

Well Said 😁👍‼️

@bobrees4363

Жыл бұрын

Believe it or not, there used to be a fairly standard definition of pinch, dash, and knock. I remember Grandma showing my brother and I when I was about eight. Sshe showed us using the tip of a paring knife, and I think the largest was about half an inch of the tip used as a scoop. I wish I could remember more; but that was close to fifty years ago and Grandma is gone now.

@crankyold

Жыл бұрын

Was thinking the same thing...I've seen plenty of old recipes call for a "slow" or "fast" oven.

@chaecoco2

11 ай бұрын

For the technocrat cooks, a dash is a scant ⅛ of a teaspoon, a pinch is about 1/16; of a teaspoon, and a smidgen is 1/32; of a teaspoon.

I use 4% water by weight. I use a 12 ton press with 3" die column. 3" PVC tube with steel separation discs to create a stack of pucks. My trick is to let it dwell for a few minutes under pressure. Air slowly squeezes out, I am assuming out of the pours and cells of the charcoal. I usually apply pressure 2 more times with a dwell time between pressing. It quits yielding after the 3rd application of pressure and the ram stays solidly against the column. You can feel it in the lever as you apply force. After applying force and letting it dwell, you can feel that it didn't lose pressure. It's as hard and dense as it's going to get. I read an article that Goex uses this method too. It works. I get 1.8g/cc. I don't need to repress. Glazed to flow proper through my meter. I have no issues with performance or characteristics.

This is the very best information I’ve found on KZread concerning this subject. You won’t find better guidelines. If someone can’t “get it” from watching these videos…….it ain’t gettin got. A remedial course in how to think for one’s self may be required. Some folks powder isn’t dense enough because they are too dense to listen to someone that knows what they’re talking about.

Man, Captain Kirk didn’t have to go through all this when he made the powder for his bamboo cannon. Wtf!

I find it interesting that people get so lost in the weeds over all this. Our ancestors were concerned about two things. Was the powder reliable, and was it powerful enough to take out game or foe. At the end of the day black powder is black powder. All this other minutiae is just that.

Thank you, Chucks of knowledge from several reasonable sources help us make better choices. * The average man 200 years ago could make powder.... **Don't forget history. [most kids 120 years ago could make fire without matches]

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

I have to assume that someone has written a book on how to best make your own blackpowder. Maybe that could be a long term goal for this channel, a booklet on blackpowder for the everyman, and the different ways you could make your own at home?

Considering the rise in black powder prices and the short supply, I've been looking at making my own. To that end, these videos have been a real help. As for the compression factor, I'm kind of a TLAR (that looks about right) type of guy. As long as the ball moves at a reasonable rate, who cares? Considering how black powder was made back in the sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen hundreds and that it was good enough for them, I'm good with it.

@bradkuz76

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking about this yesterday as well. Do you think during the revolutionary war they had an electric tumbler and a 20 ton press and different size screens to sort all of it? I don't think so. I found some documents a while back on the internet that claim to be from the United States government instructing farmers on how to build livestock pens in order to create the most potassium nitrate possible. Obviously I printed them off because I didn't think that would last in these times where things get scrubbed off the internet on a regular basis. What I'm saying is I think we strive for perfection when it's not exactly necessary. We still do it though.

@rogerclark9285

Жыл бұрын

If you measure by weight instead of volume you get the same amount of powder from a given amount of ingredients. The same weight of powder will, theoretically at least, produce the same volume of gas on ignition. While a denser powder will occupy a smaller volume and generate slightly higher initial pressure the effects on velocity will be small. In short, a pound of powder will give you 140 loads of 50 grains weight regardless of the compression.

i'll tell ya jake the ones who get so worked up fall into 3 groups 1 the ones who can't think for themselves 2 the lazy bastards and 3 the ones who are afraid of their own shadow and want someone else to figure it out so they don't risk anything!! personally experimenting is half the fun with stuff like this!!

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Well said

The Internet: YoU cAn'T wEiGh BlAcK pOwDeR!!!!!!111oneoneeleventyone! Everything Black Powder: Hold my whisky.

Makes sense to me. Some people just like to dwell on the minute details that in the big picture don't amount to a lot.

Thank you Everything antique muzzleloading propellant. There is another way to to fix small variations in MV. Don't own a chronograph. Really effective for me.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Excellent point!

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

Or just keep increasing your homemade powder charge until the ball hits in the same place it does with your favorite commercial stuff at the same distance.

@rayweir9903

Жыл бұрын

Best Dam video going ! Thanks ole boy ! I wasn’t sure about pucking’

People don't understand that water isn't part of the recipe. It just facilitates the activation of the adhesion process under compression, then evaporates off. Is not like there is residue hydrogen or oxygen left from the water. People just need to experiment with the amount of water that works for them. I think your recommendation of just enough for there to be no dust is probably the best rule of thumb you can give.

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

I think it's funny that I found Jake's advice to add water "just until it quits making dust" was one of the most accurate and precise tips anyone has ever given me regarding making BP, yet he gets the most guff over it. Given the number of variables involved, that tip simplifies all of them down to one thing.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

If you have a press that's less powerful, such as a 10 ton. Make your packing die a smaller diameter. By doing so, you will get more density because your psi (pounds per square inch) will go up.

Greetings. There are two values - the internal density of the grain and the bulk density of the grain. By creating pressure with a press, we increase the internal density of the grain. The main criterion for this process is the size of the pressure on the area. If you press with a press of 20 tons on a surface of 2 inches and 10 tons on a surface of 1 dune, you will get the same density in two cases. By measuring the volumetric measure of gunpowder, we obtain the bulk density. It depends on the internal density and on the size and shape of the grain. The optimal grain shape is a ball. The more geometrically the shape of the grain is more complex, then there will be more voids between the grains. And we get a low bulk density. The power of gunpowder depends on quality coal. Depends on the type of wood, on the temperature at which the wood was fired. High temperature firing of soft wood is good for a revolver. For a rifle, you can lower the charring temperature of wood. The burning rate of gunpowder depends on the degree of grinding of coal and other components. Highly crushed substances give rapid combustion. It is optimal when the components are sieved through a sieve with a mesh size of 325 mesh.

@Slowly_Going_Mad

Жыл бұрын

I'm beginning to notice that it really does depend on the density of the source wood charcoal as far as initial burn rate is concerned. Things that worked well for me white poplar (as dowel stock), and charred denim (had issues maintaining grain strength and structure.)

@pyrotechnicSAR

Жыл бұрын

​@@Slowly_Going_Mad mr ​ @Mad Scientist your thought is moving in the right direction!!! To increase the strength of the grain, you can use the addition of wallpaper glue 1-2% (modified starch) to the composition. When moistened with water.

@Slowly_Going_Mad

Жыл бұрын

@@pyrotechnicSAR I cooked a batch of dextrin specifically for such a case. I have more to try and figure through experiments, another thing I found works well is mixing charcoals. I have some grilling oak that's mildly undercooked but burns really clean just terribly slowly unconfined. It's major advantage besides clean burn is strong grains. I have a batch that I made with one third of the char by weight being oak and the other two thirds being white poplar. Burns super fast, unfortunately burns really dirty, but makes decently strong grains with out adding other binders.

Another way to get more density is to use a smaller diameter die. I get much harder pucks using a 1.5" die rather than a 3" die, but as you said lower density powder isn't a bad thing so I use the larger die to make the process faster.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I use a 1.5” die as well

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

3" die has seven times the surface area of a 1.5" die, so you need seven times the force to make the same density. This is what's tripping up 11BangBang when trying to duplicate commercial. You need something like 77 tons of pressure on a 3" die to make 1.7 g/cc density....if that's your goal. Any pressure enough to make a hard puck is better than screening, we all have different tools available and standards of "good enough".

@palavrasdoventania5371

Жыл бұрын

@@geargnasher9822 by this calculation, what would be the die diameter to achieve 1.7g/cc using a 10 ton press?

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

@@palavrasdoventania5371 10 to 11 tons per square inch is what I found it takes to press the dampened meal until it won't go anymore. Figure out what puck diameter gives you one square inch or a little less. Off the top of my head it should be about 1-1/8"" diameter. I keep reading numbers like 1600 PSI is the max needed and that GOEX presses to 3400 psi, but I've done the math on my setup and for my methods, it takes 11 tons per square inch to make 1.8 g/cc pucks.

@lr21643

4 ай бұрын

@@geargnasher9822 4 times the area.

Anyone that does baking, and cooking should understand just what Jake just said. Is kind of like when I cook my Gumbo, I can tell you what’s in it as far as the main ingredients but I cannot tell you how to do the seasonings as that’s done by taste and feel. If you still don’t understand, then go bake a few hundred cakes that you mix by hand without a pre-mix. And if you still do not understand after getting that feel for things, than god help you as you’ll never understand. As some things just have to be done be sight and feel.

Had to sub and like after watching the video. The flakes that can't figure it out are the same ones that complain about the variables in "The number of licks it takes to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop."

@Everythingblackpowder

5 ай бұрын

😂

I'm surprised bp is denser than water. Density is just a ratio between any volume (cubic cm, gallon, dixie cup etc.) of a material and an equal volume of water. The ratio will always be the same. Essentially you could fill a shot glass with bp, weigh it and compare it directly with the same shot glass full of water.

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

Granulated BP is close to the same density as water, but the density of the solid pucks and individual grains of corned powder are almost double that of water.

@sheerluckholmes5468

11 ай бұрын

With enough compression you could make feathers denser than water.

Thank you very much your advise was very helpful this week we got our powder right there with goex. Now my goal is to beat goex... lol the experiment continues

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help

You my friend are the site to go to for making 'antique firearm propellant'...I've made my own for almost ten years, and it was good, but following your suggestions, mine is right up there with the commercial stuff...BUT for significantly cheaper! Thank you for all your videos and wishing you continued success!

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Excellent! For consistency, I like to actually measure the density of my pucks themselves, which is where 1.7 to 1.8 g/cc density comes in. Measure the volume of a pressed puck, weigh it, and divide. I'd also like to make the distinction between granulated density and grain or puck density, the granulated density of the finished powder as you measured in your video is actually about 1.0 g/cc, or the same as water. 1.5-1.6 g/cc puck density makes a little bit cleaner, faster powder, but I prefer to standardize against commercial powder so sight settings don't change. I use a 20-ton press and 1.5" diameter puck die and my pucks come out about 1.8 g/cc pretty consistently after pressing. My finished powder equals GOEX and Schuetzen in both velocity and granulated density within +/- 2% as long as my meal is milled enough, the charcoal is good, and I dried it enough. For those frustrated by the difficulty in determining how much water to add to the meal, it's really simple: Press to 1.7-8 g/cc (whatever that takes) and add only enough water that the bottom of the puck is slightly wet when removing from the press. The powder will compress more for a given pressure as moisture is increased....up to the point that excess water is squeezed out during corning. Use the least amount of water possible but put enough that you can tell a tiny bit was rejected when corning.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Excellent

@palavrasdoventania5371

Жыл бұрын

pressing the dry powder, can it actually lead to an explosion?

@KevinTownsend-hw5ih

Жыл бұрын

So, if your screen size is a little smaller or a little larger than the commercial granulation, wouldn't that also factor into the density by volume a little bit? Finer grains would be denser by volume and larger grains would be a little lighter by volume. Measuring puck weight would eliminate this variable as long as puck size was accurately measured size to weight.

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

@@KevinTownsend-hw5ih You got it. 11BangBang is wrestling with this a little bit and finding his burn speed/volume/weight/grain size was throwing things off a little bit for him because his screens didn't equal commercial grain sizes. I've read at least one source that states volumetric measures are calibrated with 3Fg sporting powder. 2F will be slightly less dense, 4F a little more dense, but only a few percent difference. I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but my most "accurate" (with commercial powder) adjustable volume measure is bang on with multiple brands of commercial 3F and also happens to throw exactly the indicated volume weight in water (1.0g/cc). I don't think that's coincidence but have never found documentation stating that granulated 3Fg equals water by weight/volume.

@lr21643

4 ай бұрын

@@KevinTownsend-hw5ih If the shape of the granulated particles is the same, and the proportion of sizes relative to each other is the same, the density should be the same. For example, let's say you have identical buckets. One is full, to the top, of equal numbers of 1/32" and 1/16" steel ball bearings. The other, also full to the top, has equal numbers of 1/16" and 1/8" ball bearings. The two buckets should weigh the same. On the other hand, particle size can affect burning rate directly.

EBP, This instructional video was very enlightening and informative for laying the basic scientific process of compressing propellent so as to achieve desired outcome via the proper application of force under tension in an iterative operation. 😉

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Well said

I don't understand why folks would be so anal about it. Out here in the western states it can be pretty hard to find real propellant. Simply having the ability to make it is an immense treasure. Flinters are now easy to supply. I don't give a rip if the stuff I make is somewhat different than what might be found in a store. It kills yander rock on a creek bank, it will break clays at 60 yards with every shot. I sure don't want to find myself on the receiving end of a charge of it. And I'm gonna kill an elk come fall with it. I'm not shooting matches with it. I'm just using it. Freedom to shoot is a tremendous blessing.

I was going to suggest pressing twice. Very well explained.

If you have a 12 ton press using a puck forming die with 3/4 the diameter should give you the same density as you get with a 20 ton press.

You have the same attitude I have with stuff. You do things your way and explain it the way you found it to work. But if someone finds a better way great for them. So keep it up I like what you do

I have been watching your videos and they are really excellent. I am living and working in COSTA RICA WHERE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to get any kind of powder but thanks to your videos I am making my own. I have been experimenting with different charcoal. I have been researching why yellow willow and alder are used so much .what I have learned is it is because these woods are some of the fastest growing so they are more porous it has a faster burn rate. I have been using balsa wood trees and even faster growing is called a GUANACASTE tree. My black powder is really fast and clean. I only have a home made cannon because the guns are hard to come by. I am taking some of the wood I mentioned home with me and then I will try it in my rifle . If you would like I could ups you some and let you try it because I am sure you have forgot more about it than I know. Keep the progress coming.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

That’s interesting we have some balsa charcoal we are milling right now to try out.

The reason you can't tell them the perfect amount of water is because the problem is NP complete for each individual maker. See something called the "knapsack problem" for a complete explanation. You can give them a good starting point but they are going to have try the permutations for themselves if they want exact.

Well that solves the problem. Pretty simple actually. Thanks 👍❗ 😎🤙

Tech-Weenie ...... OMG, Bwahahahahahahaha. I am totally stealing this one !! Thank you.

Thank you , watchable and knowledgeable no nonsense video 💥

Going to make my own damned powder ..

Yes this black powder service announcementwas educational and instructive! Thank you sir for another helpful video! If my bp is a lil slower or with in 100fps or so, im good with that! Also, my panties dont get into a wad over this kind of stuff…

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help

The best powder I make is the scraps from the sorting that have been pucked and ground and sorted several times. But then I just mix it all into the can and don't worry about it. I do have some really good stuff saved back though 😉 Thanks for the videos, the learning never stops!

Great info jake

I shot my first batch of homemade today in my 44 caliber cap and ball revolver. Used Basswood charcoal at 77/13/10 ratio. I compressed into pucks with a bench vice and 4ft cheater bar. With 30gr/vol I got an average velocity of 887fps with the homemade vs 946 for Goex 3f. I can live with that. Got a batch of willow to puck, so might try the double press technique with that. I am using a small compression die from Amazon that makes 1 3/16 inch diameter pucks. It is slow going, but perhaps the smaller diameter allows me to generate more pressure/unit area using the vice as a compression source. Still eyeing that 20 ton press, since it would be much faster. Just don't know where in the heck I could put it in my garage. It is full.

@Everythingblackpowder

11 ай бұрын

Keep at it

@66smithra

11 ай бұрын

Not bad...and hey, less recoil!

This was just what I was going to measure next. Im glad I have something to go by.

Good morning Jake and thanks for the info it will be handy

I discovered that when black powder is polished then it is more dense, after polishing 2-3 hours my 3Fg is almost 15 grains in 1cc like goex, coating with graphite isn’t necessary but if someone want to do it start with 0.5% graphite and polish it next 3h (up to 24h). I have 12T press, and 2 inch die and I always have 1,8g/cc. I read about ppl using 3 inch die and 6T press and they had 1,7g/cc, key is using water, dry pressing makes less dense puck.

@Slowly_Going_Mad

Жыл бұрын

Polishing doesn't affect the density of the individual powder grains themselves but it does round them out and that means they pack better giving a gain in bulk density.

Another great video. Thanks for all the hard work you put into it.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Awesome video as always boss! I've been using a mixture of silver maple and holly as my charcoal wood, and pressing ONCE, I was getting velocities like you said, about 100 fps slower than GOEX, and my densities have been just a bit less than GOEX even when I use my 20-ton press. (I measured my dry pucks before corning to get my densities) Anyway, I will DEFINITELY be trying this to see if I can get my velocities up!

Thanks mate yes l love your no nonsense approach and l agree with you you are spot on 👍

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

I was watching a video recently of the Matsamoto Castle Gun Corps from Japan who are very dedicated to their presentations with matchlocks, and watching them grind up black powder with a mortar and pestle. Make me wonder how long it would take traditionally to mix the ingredients pre-industrial society and how strong it was. I'm sure weaker than commercial brands today, but how much weaker would be interesting to know.

I like the reading material avalable for this subject. Its very interesting and makes me feal like im drinking under age.

Good info, Thanks

I've been watching your vids on making "antique muzzleloading propellent", excellent job of explaining the process. One thing I was wondering about is in your vid on sodium nitrate you stated that it worked very well in cap fire weapons. Interestingly it burned slower in the open, but fairly fast when confined in the flintlock. Where I'm going with this is; If you are looking for an idea for another vid one comparing velocities of this powder in several caplock weapons would be greatly appreciated as I am not in a situation where I can make "antique muzzleloading propellant", but I am curious about this. Just a suggestion, Thank you for doing these vids. ]

Brilliant vid with just the right amount of information sir! And just at the right time for me. If you know what I mean😉

Can confirm my propellant (75:15:10 pine) is 80% the density of Shutzen, but goes well enough in a .38 regardless and definitely burns cleaner. My press is utter bilge.

Thank you for doing this video - very informative.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help

I have a 12T press, I'm going to try thinner pucks to see if I can increase the density. Two heaping teaspoons full in a 2" pucking die. I don't have a chronograph but I've made some that feels and in a video, appears to be damn close to commercial when shot out of my Walkers. I milled it overnight and am milling it a second time. I expect a lot of dust. I'll use density as a measure of my success.

As long as it goes boom. I’m cool. No fizzles are acceptable though. I thought pucking was to make it more transportable back in the day. 👀 remember something from black powder cartridge channel. Skol

Thanks

Knowing the 1.7 gram per cubic centimeter and with a press of only 10 ton available my puck mold should be half the diameter of the mold you use to make the same results in compression but i'm gonna hace to make 2 small pucks (in theory) , also gonna try naturally sun dried bp, and gonna try vacuum dryed bp with an A/C vacuum pump dryed to see if there is any difference in density, performance and even how clean it burns testing the same batch...really the best vídeos in this topic

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

Not half the diameter, half the AREA of a circle, do the arithmetic.

@luisgarza2036

Жыл бұрын

You're right half the area!

I don't bother with the pucking process. I just load by weight instead of volume. It's a lot easier to corn before pressing. It doesn't make any difference anyway if you are muzzle loading, only if you are making cartridges or loading cap and ball revolvers. If I test goex and home made by weight, mine is faster, for what that is worth.

Thank you

I tried to drop by Goex a few months back “in Minden, LA” to see if I could buy bp directly from them passing through on I20/US80, GPS told me to turn right and my destination would be on the right....turned right and I find myself approaching a US Army National Guard gate/base with cameras and GPS is pointing at a building about 1/4 of a mile inside the perimeter. Turned around and left. Obviously not exactly open to the public. I would love to make my own, but right now I just don’t have the time.

love it ~!

Great video, I have some home made but i bought 25lbs several years ago and have about half left. My home made is stored in empty cans. I need a better press, my grinder works well. I get around 1.5 grm/cc with my current press.

Great video

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

4:35 How much water in the mix. I've been delivering Concrete for 12? years now. I can tell you that the moisture in the base ingredients is such a factor in making a proper mix, we Burn samples (Weight rock, sand samples from each pile, heat it until the moisture is largely removed then weigh it again to get an idea what the moisture content is) twice a day. Even then we have probes in the bins that monitor moisture as the rock and sand come up from the piles.

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

....and even after all of that you STILL have to do a slump test of the finished product to meet the customer's specifications.

@saoirse5308

Жыл бұрын

@@geargnasher9822 exactly! or maybe 3 or 4 people have to do a slump test if it's for DOT

WHAT MORE WORK 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I can hear em now I am a scientist not a laborer😅😅😅😅

My ignition on my powder is good, as fast to burn as Goex and it cleans up well. My problem is accuracy. The accuracy isn't there though. It's not corned so when I use loads that would be 70 grains of Goex, I'm upping them to 80-85 grains of my homemade powder.

@Everythingblackpowder

9 ай бұрын

I would try doubling your charge and see if that doesn’t help. I highly recommend Corning your powder. I don’t make screened powder anymore and haven’t for a few years. It’s the only way to fly

I had a wild hair, so i tested the T7 ff i had. Set the powder measure to 50gn, then weighed it. It showed best out of 8 times 39.^gn. Most were at 38.^….i was a lil surprised bc i was expecting it to be heavier than my homemade, which is right at 46gn btw (and im good with that for now). I do use a 12 ton jack. For a complete noob amatuer im pretty happy with my results (for now)

Thanks!

@Byron-gm2ln

Жыл бұрын

That was a huge tip. Thanks a bunch.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

@@Byron-gm2ln thank you!

Have you ever tried charcoaling cotton for your powder? I have with very good results, but, I want to perform many more evaluations before investing in a bale to go there exclusively. And yes, I double compress my pucks but not the way described here. Thanks for the vid, keep them coming.

@Everythingblackpowder

11 ай бұрын

No I haven’t tried cotton.

Good information.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

I’ve subscribed, but know nothing about making black powder - learning fast though. I did wonder if you could extrude your powder rather than just pressing it. Drill a zillion holes in a disc and press it through that…. Or a cone with one micro hole at the bottom (funnel shape). Haven’t tried it, and have no idea if it would work.

I would use distilled water to to eliminate contaminates lime ,iron found in well water

BTW.....I always wondered if people years ago ever made a substitute for the black powder we use today instead of the modern smokeless type powders that apparently arrived around 1890 or so? Or did they go directly to smokeless which was cleaner burning?

I LIKE IT! I did think my old muzzle loading propellant may? need a Re Puck? and I did make a roller thing o ma Bob to Corn my Pucks? to get grain sizes I want? But mine is still Not as Fast as "I Want" I do 3% Dihydrogen Monoxide by weight or just enough to stop Dust Clouds and I let it sit to react with my KNO3 Your is still FASTER! my weight is low few % from Volume.

What about those of us who don't have any sort of press? In short of me getting a fat kid to stand on the powder or drive over it with my truck, don't have any way to generate those types of compression. Going back to one of your first videos on how to make powder where you take the powder from the mill, spray it down with isopropyl alcohol, wad it up and then granulate it from there, I wonder how much less powerful that would be. Right now I would sacrifice some power for availability because it's getting too expensive to even find it in some places and one stupid political thing or any form of panic, and what is out there will vanish practically overnight.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

You don’t have to press your powder. Screened powder works fine in muzzleloaders. It just takes more of it because it’s so light compared to corned powder.

Very interesting. I didn't know the powder itself needed compressed while making it. I load a lot of black powder cartridges, and a drop tube, and compressed load is very important in the loading, but I had no idea about the manufacturing of it. I just found your channel, and will subscribe. Do you have a video on the actual making of the powder? I've always wanted to give it a try, but never have.

@saoirse5308

Жыл бұрын

If you look there are a lot of his videos about "antique muzzle loading propellant" KZread gets fussy about what things are called. 🙄

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

He's got some great videos, I'm confident even a dumbass like me could make some on his own, and I definitely want to try it once I have a nice and shootable antique.

Something I was reading up on, the original service load for a Brown Bess musket was 6 drams of powder which turns out to be 164 grains. Now, I can tell you I have no desire to shoot 164 grains because that's a pretty hefty charge, but, I wonder for the time how weak the powder was in those days given the inconsistency in the ingredients. I know where I am, there are two local forts that date back to French & Indian War and later the Revolutionary War and at both places they made their own powder. At Fort Ticonderoga, when the British finally captured the fort in 1759, the French when they abandoned it, they detonated their powder stores which was estimated at 21 tons, most of that was made on hand. It makes you wonder what a 164 grain powder charge would have been like shooting with powders of that time, compared to now.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Yes the 164gr charge was not pressed powder. If I had to take a guess I would say that later pressed powder would be roughly twice as powerful.

@lawrencestanley8989

7 ай бұрын

I don't own a brown bess, but I have tried out that load in my 12 gauge. I have a Mossberg and a single-shot Henry, both with rifled, slug barrels, and so for them I mold 0.735 round balls weighing 600 grains, put that on top of 150-160 grains of powder, and I get about 1,050 fps out of that load. It produces more energy than a 44 mag, so it's a great hunting load out to 100 yards. Actually, sighting it in at 2 1/4" high at 25 yards, it's dead-on at 75 yards, and only 5 1/2" low at 100, and even at 100 yards, it's maintaining just under 1,000 ft/lbs of energy. I've got a couple videos on my channel showing off the loads. Although, if you do check out the videos, I don't recommend the 220 grain load you see, it's a wee bit high pressure for a shotgun...

I'm good with my AMP for compression. I don't mind upcharging some. What has me bothered, that I haven't taken the time to fix, is the lead fouling I get when I clean after after shooting my homemade AMP. I think it's the rubber from the harbor freight drum, and using lead balls for media. Still need to make a PVC drum and get ceramic media and hope that fixes it. It's almost like I got lead melting in my powder residue. Ever deal with that?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Yes I had the same problem. I would recommend brass over ceramic.

I thought initially, that I would try compressing the powder in a vice with a big cheater bar. But it looks like I would just be wasting my time, since I don't think that will come near generating the pressures that are needed. Hate to buy a 20 ton press just to make BP, but looks like that is what I am going to have to do.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Give it a try! Any compression is better than none

I guess it's like everything else these days, you should be slapping the following label on all the videos "Your results may vary." Never ceases to amaze me how people think someone living in a dry climate can do everything the same as someone living in an area like southern Florida or here in the Northeast where temps can be 80 during the day or 45 at night.

OK partner, you talked me into continue buying already made black powder for my smoke poles and 45/70 Gov cartridges. I once took a stab at making black powder that wound up being perfect for burning out a big yellow Jacket nest at the mailbox keeping the mailman from delivering our mail. My home-made powder may have needed a pinch of nitrocellulose to beef it up some.

Excellent video, thanks for confirming my suspicions/conclusions....with a 6t press I'm around 4-5 grains light on a 50g measure. Nice thing is that it's cheap enough that loading up 5g isn't an issue.... My question is, why don't the "techies" already know all the techy parts? If you have to stand there calculating the timing of when to take the first step, how the hell do you ever get across the street?

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

6 ton press will require a pucking die with a diameter of .8 inches to achieve 1.8 g/cc puck density.

@TheWingnut58

Жыл бұрын

@@geargnasher9822 thanks for the info my friend, looks like I'm making a new die!

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWingnut58 You're welcome. You're right people some people get wrapped around the axle on this stuff, but I'm amazed at how many of the basic necessities people often miss with this process. Jake does a great job of pointing out what's important to be specific about and what's more of a work with what you have deal. All the techie stuff you need to know for commercial quality BP is cook your charcoal no hotter than 575 degrees F inside the retort until it quits smoking out the vent, ball mill your ingredients until the powder is so fine it feels slick between your fingers with absolutely NO gritty feeling, add water and stir stir stir the meal until it quits making dust, press in a die until the resulting puck itself measures and weighs to 1.7 or 1.8 g/cc (11 tons per square inch is the most pressure you'll ever need), dry the pucks a few days on your dashboard in the sun, break, grind, and sift to the correct granulations 20/50 mesh is 3Fg, 16-30 is 2Fg, 40-100 is 4Fg. To make it even better, add 1 teaspoon per pound fine graphite and mill the powder with no media overnight and sift out the fines, this will eliminate the dust and polish slightly, though it doesn't truly "glaze" the grains. Check your weight/volume against a volumetric powder measure and adjust your load accordingly. That's as technical as most of us will ever need to get unless shooting 1000 yards with cartridge guns in competition.

@TheWingnut58

Жыл бұрын

@@geargnasher9822 that's pretty much exactly what I've been doing for the past year or so....except my pucking die is a little too big for the diy press I'm using, also haven't tried graphite yet. What formula did you use to get the die size?....I'm either going to make another die or upgrade my press....or both, lol

@geargnasher9822

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWingnut58 I did the math on my press handle, pump piston, and jack piston to figure out how much pressure my press was delivering with a hard, one-arm pull and then measured the die length as I was pressing harder and harder, when the die stopped getting shorter and the press frame kept stretching I was at about 18 tons on the die, did the math on the die area and came up around 11 tons per square inch to reach "maximum" puck compression. I make pucks about 3/8" thick by 1.5" and weigh right at an ounce each. I only use a graphite polish because it reduces fouling greatly in my big smoothbores and the powder flows better through the horns and measures more consistently.

hey Jake it's Elvis i'am trying to getting in to reloading and i have a question is american pioneer powder black power substitute ok to use in shotgun shells I've learned a lot from your videos thanks for the info

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

I have never tried it so I can’t say. I’ve heard it’s not available anymore. Pryodex or 777 will definitely work.

Do you think these powder manufacturers are doing a double based powder. Adding glycerin or a another additive ? I know they do it with cartridge rifle powders. Usually that adds velocity. I am far from a powder making expert. I been following these topics. Thought i would ask

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

No

I really enjoy your videos. Off the subject, but I have a question. I'm looking into building a Kibler rifle like the one you shoot. What kind of stock wood did you order? Was it walnut?

@Everythingblackpowder

27 күн бұрын

Mine is the fancy curly maple

i have a question-statement correct me if I am wrong. I read somewhere about the French or English milling the mixture wet and then spreading the mixture out to dry and then running it over the sieve to whatever f size you want. I would think by doing this process the nitrate fully saturates the charcoal and Sulphur?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Yes but pressed powder has been the industry standard since the early 1800s.

By weight my powder shoots faster than Schuetzen. It is a little less dense through a one step corning process, but I really don't care. I can shove enough in my rifles to get the deer killed. Thought about testing it against other brands but I really don't see any reason to buy it at $25 per pound!

Teck- w. Could practice mixing cocoa& sugar with water ( dont shoot it )heat and pour over ice cream

Well I'm leveeing the hard stuff to the chemist. Anyway my numbers are way off 50 grains come in at 39.0 on one powder Measure and only 24 gram's and yes there head shop scale I have a set of single beams and gram wights to make anything like that stuff you use in very old firearms kind of hard to do grains on them. But this is another problem is and I just noticed that the Powder Maseru that came with the pistol is short 5 grains to the fancy one that is clearer you unscrew the bottom cap on the push rod go's up n down don't know if anyone has cough that yet I just did. And I can't get the black stuff ever since my buddy passed away over a year ago now. up 25 or 30 years I have always had 1 person I went to for everything my guns needed and never used pyrodex till a few mouth ago was the first time using it and I just don't like it I'll make my own even though it's not illegal in Texas no one wants to handle it academy did have it 20 years ago not any longer and now You have to drive 100 miles one way to bass pro shop to get the pyrodex or pay out the yang yang for it to be delivered. Anyway 12 Ton press willow charcoal or Air-flow 77/15/11 both of them is about the same burn rate just couple milliseconds off and my last stuff is faster and hotter and very clean sorry to be so long winded just happens when you get older . I will do the double press and see if that is the problem . And one more thing why not 100/15/11 ? I had to ask

I pucked the remainder of my batch to a measured 15 ton. Interesting result was the density was the same as the pucks at 8 ton. I am thinking my charcoal is the limiting factor. So for a 60 gr charge I will use 70 gr measure. Will compare chrony readings when I can.

@Everythingblackpowder

7 ай бұрын

How wide is your dye and how wide is the post on your press?

@MrVoltar1

7 ай бұрын

Iirc the piston is 1.375” diameter and the cylinder wall about 0.250”. The aluminum cylinder failed with the increased pressure.

@Everythingblackpowder

7 ай бұрын

@@MrVoltar1 I ditched my aluminum die over a year ago. I’ve been using a stainless steel die and it’s holding up well.

@MrVoltar1

7 ай бұрын

@@Everythingblackpowder ah makes sense. Checked and my piston is 1.875” dia.

What is the density of the puck?

Man how named this apparat which help you to know how much powder you have? Measure

You state "I have a 20T press" but what is the area that force is concentrated on when you're pucking your powder? Someone with one of the weaker presses mentioned can get the same results as you, they just have to concentrate that smaller force on a proportionally smaller area.

@Everythingblackpowder

3 ай бұрын

My die measures 1.18 inch and the post on my press measures 2 inch. I find this works much better for more uniform compression

I don't press.....I use 91 percent alcohol after milling and end up with a clay like ball and screen it. After it dries it is fast and powerful and that's good enough for me. BTW...I use my own homemade willow charcoal that I run through a coffee grinder and ball mill it.

Can black powder expire? I have muzzleloader pistol barrel 18cm smooth bore .34cal roundballs .33cal bullet mass 53.8 grain or 3 grams 8 grain black powder I shot the pork fat and it didn't penetrate.

i have a cuestion that no one has answer me, do black powder weapons have lock up or even need some tipo of lock up, becouse, from my understanding muskets dosnt have lock up but a rolling block yes. Please if you can, answer me this Thanks

Let's assume that the chemistry is correct, and the materials are "pure"... so if we compress it to a decent amount to make it burn well, can we just weight it to get " the correct" charge? If that works, you could just weight out your 50 grains, figure out the volume on the measure, and shoot with what might be a less dense grain. Is this a valid thought process? I'm having a difficult time getting both real powder and percussion caps, so I'm thinking of making both, but a press will be something I need to buy/build and maybe not a 20 ton unit. So if 1.4 per CC burns well, I could just weight out a few to get the new volume needed for accuracy and get going. Only other question would be how does compression affect the finer priming powder for flint? Do you still want the 1.7 per CC or is something a lot less dense OK.

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely. I haven’t noticed any effect on the priming powder.

The number of people who think that it is natural to provide the know-how that they have learned through hardships for free has increased. I think that you can acquire real technology only by making an effort yourself.

Have you experimented with using mineral oil in place of water during the pucking process?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Nope

I've successfully made BP for flintlock conversion using sodium nitrate but the grains get crushed easily I use CIA method w rice flour & I have same grinder as you what setting for ffg?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

I can’t tell you exactly. I open mine up and make several passes tightening up the grinder each time until I get the desired size.

This is more a question than a comment. My willow tree has always made good charcoal with the green limbs, but now I have a lot of dead limbs on the tree. Have you ever made charcoal using dead limbs? Wonder if it would be the same as dried wood?

@Everythingblackpowder

8 ай бұрын

Yes, it works well. Just make sure you take the bark off of it.

I'm too lazy to make my own videos, therefore, this video did not suck.

So a couple of questions; one, what grinder or type of grinder do you use? I would imagine you'd want either aluminum or ceramic burrs. And two, where did you get your compression dies?

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

It’s a grain grinder. I bought it on Amazon. The pucking die I currently use is something for pressing weed. I like it because it’s 1.5 inch diameter instead of the more common 3 inch. I’ll try and find the links

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

www.amazon.com/Cranking-Operation-Grinder-Grinding-Commercial/dp/B08MDYLM88/ref=asc_df_B08MDYLM88/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=632065800132&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6692611414156903256&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1014165&hvtargid=pla-1886912518276&psc=1

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

www.amazon.com/stores/Rosineer/Pre-PressMolds/page/E5B43511-973A-402C-A5CC-FFBAC26EEBD7

Jake: I've watched your Myth busting video, dozens of time. Extremely informative. My Question is how do they make a pipe bomb out of black powder if nobody can blow up a muzzleloader no matter what the block the tube with and set it off ? Theidahoanshow managed only to bulge the barrel a little bit. I'm just curious. Thank you for all your great videos.😊

@Everythingblackpowder

Жыл бұрын

Smokeless powder would be my guess

@kevinthompson4320

Жыл бұрын

As an old ordinance guy, black pipe and galvanized pipe are structurally not that strong.....One only has to look at the old 'iron cannon Balls' of the 19th century that only contained 2-3 oz. of BP, and yet were able to burst those thick walled shells into fragments! Modern Flintlock barrels can withstand much more pressure!