😭😭 folks were so confused about why radahn needed to be cooked, but it’s always been about the stars!! Bro literally halted EVERYONES fate

@muramasa870

4 ай бұрын

Blud is too much of a menace🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

@brandonsalisbury7182

4 ай бұрын

I think it stumps people since Mohgwyns palace isn’t effected by beating him! I am talking gameplay wise though and not lore wise which may just be the case!

@py1983

4 ай бұрын

i still need to know why he did that shi, just to flex??

@krashdevaughn5360

4 ай бұрын

@@py1983 The golden order is kind of fickle, in sellia the sword monument directly states why Radahn is called the starscourge. He stood tall in sellia protecting the town by battling the stars. The specifics evade us, and could be tied into many things like his loyalty to the golden order and his siblings heresy. I think the original motive was simply to protect sellia, but halting the star’s accomplished more goals than one.

@Oracle_Orhyn

4 ай бұрын

@@krashdevaughn5360 there also needs to be something said about his inability for change. Radahn is Carian, and it is Carians SPECIFICALLY who grow up studying the stars as their fates. Radahn halts the stars while KNOWING that his fate is tied to them. He clearly doesn’t want something to happen/doesn’t want change (I have theories that he halted his own fate, knowing that it will result in an unending battle called the Shattering - and he is just a war general who craved constant battle) A lot of the qualities we deem as Radahn being “noble” or “honourable” mainly comes from the fact that he fears evolution. Hell, even his iconography (being proud of his red hair/emulating Godfrey’s imagery) suggests he fears being himself - and he prefers to cling to the past than to push towards a future Also, Radahn can’t seem to get rid of his horse so he conquers a completely unique set of Magic School just to ride him (shout out Ratatoskr for this detail). His inability for change. Malenia poisoned him with stagnating rot… which is ironic, considering Radahn was already stagnating looong before the Shattering War. Almost as if, Malenia’s Caelid nuke was destined to happen to Radahn. He is the embodiment of stagnation.

A man halts the stars and suddenly everyone is his enemy

@antonironstag5085

4 ай бұрын

That's why Radahn was always regarded as the mightiest of the demigods.

@mothh7600

4 ай бұрын

Mightiest demigod of the shattering*​@@antonironstag5085

@brandonman1315

4 ай бұрын

@@antonironstag5085nah, I’m the mightiest demigod.

@redbirb1571

4 ай бұрын

​@@brandonman1315 Sir, if you are on your phone, I highly doubt you even deserve a title of "demi" in a demigod.

@antonironstag5085

4 ай бұрын

@@brandonman1315 mightiest demihuman maybe

also, all that blood from Radahn’s arena seeping down into Mogwyn palace (+ the new line from the DLC voice over about “blood must be spilled in that place…”) so maybe Mogh also chose the location for all the bloodfall (to either suit his purposes, or Miquella is 2 steps ahead and using it to water a new - shadow? - haligtree?)

@ReynoldsSangre

4 ай бұрын

I was about to comment this! 100% agree.

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Oh, that's a fantastic point!

@PickledTyrant

4 ай бұрын

Brooooooooo❤🎉😅

Interesting. I had suspected Malenia would have fought Radahn at Miquella’s behest specifically because he was wanting to bring about the eclipse but knew he couldn’t because of Radahn.

@muramasa870

4 ай бұрын

Eclipse did nothing tho😂

@K8theKind

4 ай бұрын

@@muramasa870 eclipse wasn’t able to occur, because Radahn was holding back the stars and another attempt has not yet happened since he was killed. 😂🤣😒

@Zach-qo1on

4 ай бұрын

@@muramasa870the eclipse never happened because of the stars being stopped

@rue_pardox

4 ай бұрын

​@@muramasa870"it did nothing." Yah, because it never happened. Duh.

@deathlegion6713

4 ай бұрын

​@@Zach-qo1on radahn had nothing to do with the eclipse

I like this theory. Jerren secretly working for Mohg and recruiting powerful warriors to give Radahn a “warriors death,” thinking this is what Radahn would want. When in reality, he’s trying to kill Radahn to prevent him from holding back the stars and outer gods. So he’s trying to get as much help as he can. Radahn is fighting for his life, actually trying to stay alive to protect the lands between and Ranni, Malenia and Mohg are trying to kill him for their own plans 🫠🫠🫠

@p.istvan8744

4 ай бұрын

To be fair, Ranni wants to keep the Gods away herself. In her eyes Radahn is just keeping up the status quo. No clue what Miquella has planned, but I like to think that since Malenia is cursed by an Outer God too he too want to keep them away.

@user-ww9ww1pp2u

4 ай бұрын

Radahn wasn't holding back outer gods at all. He was holding back the fate of demigods that is in celestial bodies in space. Astel, Natural born of Void isn't a god or outer god or even outer god pet. Its just a space alien that land in land between through the crash because when we kill him it says "legend felled" same text used for Ancestor spirit, and Lichdragonnot not "demigod slain" or "God fell".

Ohh I like the idea of Radahn holding back the Blood Star

Jerren being a bloody finger is an incredible detail

i love how deep the lore in this game is that so many different speculations all could work in so many ways it truly is a masterpiece

@Ixxlostinabox

4 ай бұрын

More like how vague the lore is lmao fromsoft lore leaves just enough to speculation to let all these ideas run wild.

@Fayrinn_09

4 ай бұрын

@@Ixxlostinaboxit’s vague but not incomplete. It lets ideas run rampant but gives enough to draw a reasonable conclusion to most things.

I had no idea Jerren was a bloody finger. Mind blown!

@Roryz1

4 ай бұрын

Was coming here to say the same thing, doesn't even list it on his fextralife page! Really crazy connection that seemingly went unnoticed by most!

@Ryan-nm8pw

4 ай бұрын

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh... that MIGHT be possible but there's a decent chance that's a coincidence. I've done a decent bit of ER modding and all those messages are referenced as numbers that are really close in value, it could be a hidden detail but it's more likely someone hit the wrong key on accident and never noticed bc it's not a super obvious mistake.

@K8theKind

4 ай бұрын

@@Ryan-nm8pw but he invades Sellen when you cooperate with her. He is literally a red. An invader. I never considered that that may be because he’s a bloody finger. I suppose it’s just as likely that he is a bloody finger as it is that it’s an accident.

@Zach-qo1on

4 ай бұрын

@@Ryan-nm8pw that’s extremely on purpose fromsoft don’t do stuff on accident

@makol-wl2nf

4 ай бұрын

Edgar, Irina's father is also red when we fight him and he's not a bloody finger

One new point of lore we have is that Miquella departed his flesh into the shadowlands WILLINGLY. So I actually think that Malenia went to fight Radahn to make Miquellas return possible, to open a way back for miquella by freeing the movement of the stars. So Mohg could've taken his body while Malenia was fighting Radahn, which was not really considered before... because there was no correlation between the stars and miquellas fate

@Drenosir

4 ай бұрын

i don't think that's the case because as far as i know until we kill mohg and tell gideon about him not a single person knows how or why did miquella left the haligtree so most likely mohg went there unnoticed and stole miquella and left without anyone knowing and all that while malenia was out fighting radahn (most likely)

@chainclaw07

4 ай бұрын

@@Drenosir what I said only changes that Malenia didn't know mohg took Miquella, nothing else. if anything what you said corroborates that Malenia didn't overtly go after Radahn to get to Miquella - it was a secret plan. and why would Malenia go after Radahn if Miquella was safe with her? that only enforces my theory that she needed to stop Radahns force over the stars for Miquella to return... I'm confused where what you said contradicts my comment

@Drenosir

4 ай бұрын

@@chainclaw07 i meant more something like that Malenia went out to kill radahn so that the eclipse would work and radahn was stopping stars so that it doesn't and Goldwyn doesn't return and then when Malenia fights radahn miquella gets stolen by mohg

@chainclaw07

4 ай бұрын

@@Drenosir so... the reason Malenia goes is different but everythting else the same... also - Goldwyn doesn't return? his spirit was killed together with Rannis body to form a deathmark. Godwyn is dead in spirit but his body lives on, infecting the world with those who live in death. maybe you mean Miquella went to the shadowlands to bring him back, and needed the eclipse to do so? I guess that fits

@Drenosir

4 ай бұрын

@@chainclaw07 yeah maybe but about Godwyn miquella was devoted to bring him back in a way and to do that he needed the eclipse which we know for some reason didn't work (most likely because or radahn) and we also know that miquella went to the land of the shadow (shadow and eclipse could be connected) so who knows maybe we just have to wait those few months and everything will be revealed to us

radahn is such a chad for just waking up one day and deciding to stop the stars

@nothingness217

4 ай бұрын

He literally fucked everyone's fate. His sister had to kill him (by proxy) to pull the world out of it's miserable stagnant state.

@andreasbeshkin8852

4 ай бұрын

how he just made the shitty world stagnate

@kaic5225

4 ай бұрын

Nah, bro was just simping too hard for the golden order and Godfrey that is not chad at all XD.

@franciscodetonne4797

4 ай бұрын

A chad for being able to do such a feat, but not a chad for stopping everyone's fate. Even his own sister wants him dead.

@jagmbaksvshsh

4 ай бұрын

@@franciscodetonne4797headvanon ranni never implied or said that

Just when we thought Radahn couldn’t get any cooler

This is a great video, I think you’re spot on about the eclipse and Mohgs desire to remove Radahn and Malenia from the chessboard as potential competitors for the new dynasty, however, my one question is involving the theory that Mohg framed Radahn as hiding Miquella. The potential flaw I see in this speculation is that we know that upon her defeat, Malenia is returned to the Haligtree “waiting” for Miquella to return. If she believed that he was in Radahn’s possession and she failed to retrieve him, why would she and the other followers of the Haligtree wait in this fashion? Through that evidence it’s implied that Miquella’s disappearance was in large a mystery no one had solved. Again, amazing video my man, this proved to me you deserve more recognition, just wanted to throw that bit of questioning into the narrative

@PickledTyrant

4 ай бұрын

I figured she got her ass beat so bad she had to get carried out so it didn’t matter what she went there for she couldn’t even get herself out alone, still bae tho

@krashdevaughn5360

4 ай бұрын

right, a lot is more headcanon, that aspect i don’t think is true at all! I truly think Malenia went to fight radahn for the same reason ranni wanted the tarnish to figh him, because of him halting the stars. That’s even more reason for mohg to ALSO want him dead, he literally had the fate of every demigod at a standstill

Radahns rise to power is basically a bunch of side quests: 1.Train like your Idol Godfrey 2. Challenge the fell Omen and become lord (failed) 3. Ride a glorius steed 4. Learn gravity magic to keep riding glorious steed 5. Learn gravity magic even harder to protect Selia from falling stars 6. Keep holding back the stars forever because you dont like change 7. Defeat the undefeated Blade of Miquella (failed)

@Bori.1776

4 ай бұрын

Malenia failed

@thesilentabyss8563

4 ай бұрын

@@Bori.1776 Agreed.

@BLAM5980

4 ай бұрын

@@Bori.1776they both did.

@fingolfinofnoldor3592

4 ай бұрын

@@Bori.1776 So did Radhan. That's why they were locked in a stalemate before Malenia decided to use the rot to break the stalemate.

@Bori.1776

4 ай бұрын

@@fingolfinofnoldor3592 Physically yes, emotionally and spiritually Radahn won. She broke her pride to achieve that and still did not achieve her desired goal. Radahn having lost his mind still kept playing his role.

when Radahn leaned into the microphone and said 'Murdock....I'm coming for you' I really knew it was one of the dlcs of all time

@Rozza2k

4 ай бұрын

That actually would be a pretty bad ass line 😂

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Rambo, Lord of First Blood

@johngddr5288

4 ай бұрын

@@garrulousgoldmask Brooo. My next build is gonna be Rambo now!

@abhishekduggal.2076

4 ай бұрын

I was good but i like other one when radahn said to Leonard " we get dirty and world stays clear, that's the mission "

Interesting, Jerren being a Bloody Finger makes a lot of sense! I just thought of the "Bloody Finger Vanquished" message as the game's default for defeating a dark phantom, but I should have known!

Comming back too this now we all know from the dlc that chadaun is a victim 😢

3:31 I would say it's the other way around. Although we see people being able to teleport to the mohgwyn palace with even a stationary gateway being close to the Haligtree, we never see it being the other way around, mohg freely traveling anywhere in an instance. Furthermore, the haligtree is specifically very secluded. Whereas there are many stationary gateways to all parts of the Lands Between, the way of getting to the Haligtree is so difficult that Gideon massacred a whole village to even get the slither of a chance to learn about a secret passage. The Theory of Mohg just being able to walk in would not only need the convenience of him just mastering instant teleportation but also defeat many themes and setups around the Haligtree and Miquella. It is more likely that Malenia was aware of Radahns role in Miquellas plan, thus ventured to slay him, and after being defeated and a bloody war fought, Mohg snatched Miquella away and set up camp directly under Caelid which was fresh with death and blood after the mentioned war, so he could corrupt the palace and Miquella.

Great vid and great catch about Jeren being a secret bloody finger. Makes you think there could have been other spies even in the haligtree to summon/get access for Mohg.

@marystone860

4 ай бұрын

When I heard that, I was like:' WHAT!' IF true, if Yura survived Elenora, and discovered what Jerren actually was, that means he would have sought him out! MAN! A fight againnst Jerren and Yura, THAT, may have been badass!

You were very accurate with your theory on manipulative femboy with god-complex luring everyone into his plan well done

The horse/rider corpse in the trailer had me thinking very strongly that it was some kind of entity (maybe one of those worms, it was hard to tell) puppeting what was left of Leonard/Radahn. The rib cage of the thing is about as large as I’d imagine Radahn’s to be after his death having been stripped of his rune and the horse appears similarly labored. Curious to see what that turns out to be.

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Hmm, I hadn't thought of that angle before! Though I think it might be a version of the nuckelavee, a demonic water horse (similar to the kelpie).

@cheftroyardee7982

4 ай бұрын

​@@garrulousgoldmaskAgreed, a lot of people didn't agree with me when I said the same thing.

its crazy how everyone was wrong about it lmao

@mattbradley408

22 күн бұрын

Fr

You'll see.

1. The Golden Order does not follow patrilineal succession. Instead, Empyreans are chosen by the two fingers who may themselves one day ascend to Godhood to lead the Order. Radahn never had a chance at the Elden Ring without overthrowing the Golden Order, same as Mohg. 2. Radahn's blocking of the stars wasn't due to him trying to stop the Eclipse. It was him protecting Sellia in the "Starscourge Conflict". From what and why is not exactly clear. Holding up Ranni's fate and blocking the Eclipse were side effects, not the goal. 3. As you yourself point out, Radahn's death was necessary in order to allow the Eclipse to happen. This is why Milenea traveled to Caelid to challenge him. In not fully finishing him off, the Eclipse didn't occur. But Mohg stealing Miquella had nothing to do with the conflict with Radahn. 4. As to why you must defeat Radahn to enter the DLC: probably because once you have done what his sister could not, only then will Miquella take interest in you.

Absolutely insane, this video was essentially my conversation with my brother on Friday, I was wondering when a video talking about these links would show up

Very good video! I really like the idea that the Divine Towers are holding up the veil :)

Wow amazing video after learning about the final boss of DLC

I wish we had an alternate ending to the base game where instead of killing Malenia we could just tell her "Hey, let's not fight anymore, i know who kidnapped little timmy, let's go get him back". It broke my heart when even in her weakened rotting and dying state, her last words were concerns about her brother.

@ShirakiAkarin

4 ай бұрын

It would be pretty cool if we could fight her without killing her if we completed MIllicent's quest amd we have the golden needle.

@stevsux4442

4 ай бұрын

I think the point is that she's barely conscious by the time you walk into the room and just fights you with muscle memory, that or she's fully well aware the tarnished who just walked in holding a bunch of great runes probably wants hers and definitely wants to become elden lord, which she directly opposes. Much like how in Altus you can find what might as well be a hospice for misbegotten, they all instantly attack you even if your intentions were to not cause harm because they have no reason to trust you and the best way you could prove you want to help them is to leave them alone. If you want to help Melania stay the hell out of her boss room

@Handle_Not_Available.

4 ай бұрын

@@stevsux4442 😭😭😭

you cooked

I'm surprised you didn't come to the conclusion that the shadow realm might be the original afterlife before Marika got rid of destined death and replaced it with the erdtree feeding on souls. I saw a reddit post from you (or someone with your exact name) mentioning how Enia says that destined death is the shadow of the golden order and since the erdtree is the golden order then death is the shadow of the erdtree. Also the eclipse (associated with death( is something Miquella was pursuing to save Godwyn and now we see Miquella leaving his body to go into a realm (he calls it a realm at the end of the trailer) which I think could be related to his pursuit of saving Godwyn. I think in an interview they say Miquella is following Marika's footsteps and she is the one who got rid of death and concealed this realm. I also think that the baldachin over the land of shadow could indicate something to do with death since dreams and death are connected. Miyazaki says this realm has old cultures which would make sense since no newly dead people would arrive there after destined death was removed, leaving the shadow realm lost to time Lastly we do see the erdtree compared to the sun in game by at least the warming stone, and eclipses involve the son being overshadowed by the moon. If you think about it, destined death would eclipse the golden order since it relies on the souls to feed into the tree, so the shadow tree could be like symbolism for that in some way. Also the land of shadow visually looks like dusk (duskborn = dead) or an eclipse in a way. There is no sun or sunlight or golden grace

I think it's simpler than people make it out to be: For the series of events, basically: Miquella's mission required the Eclipse. Radahn held the constellations in place, thus preventing an Eclipse from being possible. Malenia marches on Radahn to have him release the stars. Mohg sneaks in and steals Miquella AFTER Malenia has already left the Haligtree. Radahn refuses to release the stars, thus war ensues. Malenia fails to kill Radahn and is returned to the Haligtree while trying to quell the Scarlet Rot. Mohg is aware of the situation needing Radahn's death, so he has his subjects orchestrate an event to lead to Radahn's death since now Malenia, having discovered Miquella's absence, has no reason to pursue Radahn further. And yes, I believe Mohg wanted Radahn dead in order to allow the Blood Star to empower him.

Great video, that catch on Jerren is insane! I had no idea about that 1.0 Dialogue! Though, from my perspective the Sun and the Eclipse are symbols and not supposed to be literal.

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! It's amazing all the tiny details you can catch with a wholly new perspective. And I can definitely see the appeal for interpreting the Sun and Eclipse as symbols! But for me, ever since I saw the Two Fingers, I've defaulted to taking the lore very literally 😅

@JackisaMimic

4 ай бұрын

@ousgoldmask That argument is iron clad, I really cant dispute that lol

@JackisaMimic

4 ай бұрын

@@garrulousgoldmask I wanted to come back and say that the catch on Jerren is actually so insane because it almost certainly confirms that Jerren is a Tarnished and the body that Sellen is occupying is a Tarnished body, since Bloody Fingers are Tarnished recruited by Mohg and only invade other Tarnished. If Jerren is a Tarnished that means he either returned with all of the other Tarnished after the Shattering OR more likely he is one of the Tarnished who stayed behind (as per the Rusty Anchor). Seeing that Jerren is a character who wears a mask, like we have seen in the DLC trailer I think we can tie him as a character who was around the same time as the Land of Shadow was relevant in the Lands Between.

@westender.

4 ай бұрын

It's wholly possible that it's not that at all. Dung Eater can invade you and he is not a recusant or a bloody finger. Alberch is also neither of these things. They both get the 'INVADER VANQUISHED' pop-up and whilst Jerren definitely does have the bloody finger pop-up, it's more than likely a mistake on FromSoftware's part. @@JackisaMimic

So radhan placed a huge target on his back

@danielbeno6823

4 ай бұрын

And stood on BUSINESS

@kaic5225

4 ай бұрын

@@danielbeno6823 Bro was working ovberhours, sick and with no pay, how the simping demigod has fallen :C

@thebigdoginthisbitch4733

4 ай бұрын

@@kaic5225Radahn bodied everyone while holding back

@kaic5225

4 ай бұрын

@@thebigdoginthisbitch4733 ahh shut up xD

I love this theory because I have always believed that was the case with Miquella wanting Radahn taken down to allow the eclipse to fulfill, however I do not believe what you said about Malenia traveling to Caelid to confront Radahn because she was looking for her brother makes sense, plus her believing Radahn is lying also feels out of character, PLUS having Miquella being kidnapped in front of her, in front of the single being responsible for Radahn’s current state and the one who has the specific title of “Blade of Miquella”, it just seems weird that Mogh would get away with that unnoticed by Malenia. I believe Malenia took action on behalf of her brother to take down Radahn in order to proceed with the eclipse as I’m sure she knows her own twin’s desires and plans, and while fighting with Radahn, Mogh being so close to the area noticed, and took advantage of an unprotected Miquella and kidnapped him, and you also find the portal to Mogh’s palace in the consecrated snowfields very near the Haligtree. I could be wrong but that makes more sense to me

mohg used the consecrated snowfield waygate, no? it’s covered in blood, guarded by a noble, and a nearby ghost said “mohg u bring back miquella u dirty dog” or something

@IsaiahMcGowan-rx2uk

4 ай бұрын

I’m of the impression that sending gate is fairly well known in certain areas of the lands between thanks to the albinaurics. I believe in their search for the path the the Haligtree, a good many of them that actually made it that far may have stumbled off path and came across the sending gate. That’s why In mohgs palace most albinaurics are found sleeping, possibly once they are “initiated “ so to speak, they rest after a long perilous journey. With the influx of albinaurics a noble was placed there sort of like security

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Personally, I saw that waygate as a way for Mohg's forces to intercept the Albinaurics headed to the Haligtree. I don't think Mohg used it because you'd still have to access the waygate guarded inside Ordina to get to just the top of the Haligtree. (Though it's quite possible that Mohg is the one who set it up!)

@darianthediddler

4 ай бұрын

@@garrulousgoldmaskI believe the waypoint was used by the albinuracs rather than mohg himself. Maybe they knew miquella was taken and attempted to bring him back to the haligtree but failed miserably once they arrived?

Nice video! Finally someone wants to talk about this. It doesn't make sense that defeating Radahn is just a random event FS adds to access the DLC. You either need Ranni's relationship, access to Eternal City, or some major lore reason for this to make sense. It seems all the major lore creators in our community are not talking about this.

@Blittsplitt5

4 ай бұрын

Who cares

@yujin4985

4 ай бұрын

@@Blittsplitt5 🤡🤡

After fighting Astel and the Fallingstar Beasts, I understand why Radahn would want to hold back the stars.

@Alsina_arnele

4 ай бұрын

That’s not why he did it, it’s envy and self interest

Man these are amazing theories bro. It's amazing how Radahn is so powerful and tragic and important.

@calicomorgan2408

4 ай бұрын

So many things keep coming back to him. Being at the very least one of the most powerful beings in the land, no matter your goals, is going to put targets on your back and set others to use you in their plans. The idea that Mohg orchestrated Radhan's downfall to Malenia's rot is intense.

Radahn was definitely at war with all the other Gods.

Dropping banger video dam I'm so excited to the dlc

I feel basically that the outter god named formless mother is was influencing mogh to use miquella to bring in her age but like miquella they both needed destined death to do what they wanted same as ranni Destined death is the rune they all are fighting for so that they can fuse it with the gods they each serve Ranni - astrology Miquella - golden order Mogh - formless mother And we know who these key Demi gods are associated with

i think radahn’s halting of the stars is primarily for his sister, and it just so happens to mess up miquella’s plans for godwyn by coincidence i also don’t know if malenia’s campaign is to investigate or rescue miquella. i think malenia had already marched when miquella was stolen, and based on her boss dialogue it seems like she still doesn’t know he was kidnapped, as she still thinks he can return on his own somehow and it seems like miquella’s physical corpse didn’t respond to mohg because he’s already left his physical body behind like ranni

My thoughts are that potentially his arena will get reused as a whole area. It takes up a ton of room on the map for no reason after the boss fight. Maybe the blue flower area where the ships arrive?

I have a good vocabulary and I thought I knew what garrulous meant but i was wrong. I looked it up after listening to this video and even that in of itself opens up more lore implications in my mind. Haven't heard anyone talk about it yet... pretty wild. And knowing Miyazaki, almost nothing is unintentional in his games however I wonder if there was a translation error which there's plenty of that. I bring this up because i just found your channel today and it got me thinking about Goldmask

How badass would a elder ring anime be

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Even better if it's based on the manga!

Having to defeat Radahn to advance the comet I think means that Malenia went there to kill Radahn to advance the stars, for the same reason that we do in game. I think Miquella and Ranni have a connection, maybe even without Ranni realizing it. She did recognize Torrent as Miquella's horse and she did have the spirit summoning bell and she does want Radahn dead as well. I think it is very likely that Ranni has been sucked into Miquella's web by his ability to influence others. Mohg as well.

This is some great speculation, friend. Well put!

I always noticed a few details while playing like the bloody finger from jerren and the talk of an eclipse, but I never made the connection to mogh and radanh like you just did. This actually makes so much sense it makes me feel dumb for not making the whole connection. It's insane how much radanh caused by halting the stars... makes you wonder if half of the event in the game would've happened if radanh didn't touch the stars at all. Also makes you wonder if mohg told jerren to make the radahn festival to finish him. I fucking love this game

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's crazy just how many puzzle pieces can be hidden in plain sight like that! I actually did Sellen's quest on my very first run but didn't even register the "Bloody Finger Vanquished" pop-up. And it was only like a year and a half later when I was hunting for footage for a completely different video that I noticed it! Now that you mention it, it might be worthwhile to do an entire video just on how much of an impact Radahn has had on the Lands Between! That would also mean Leonard has actually been one of the most influential characters in the Lands Between this whole time 😅

I love these theories! I really hope that Godwyn is gonna be the final boss of the DLC. The theory is that as Ranni has two souls/spirits, Godwyn may have two bodies. That would be an epic boss fight. 😄 And we could finally get to see him in action. He and Miquella are still quite a mystery, even though their subtle influence is everywhere in the Lands Between.

I want more info on Godwyn the Golden. His character is such a cool concept. A mindless parasite caused by his undying yet still decaying body

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

I did an entire video about him and The Golden Bough! kzread.info/dash/bejne/i2SCrbainLbLdbg.htmlsi=tmL07Ukg9R9MIO9M

Absolutely love these theories. Well done! I also wonder at what state of decay was Malenia's mind when she marched on Caelid. We know her mind is gone to a substantial degree by the time we show up at the base of the Haligtree. Interesting stuff

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! And that's a great point about Malenia! I hadn't thought that her mind might have already been in some state of decay as she matched on Caelid.

Great video! Thanks for posting this.

5:04 I think Mogh needed blood for his blood god and the battle between The two demigods would have enough blood to make it rain over his palace

How is the Bloodstar connected to the formless mother? Their is no in-game mention of it.

Why do you pronounce the "r"s all weird?

@NeverNormalNoah

Ай бұрын

An asshole way to ask that, but he most likely has a speech impediment. I had one when I was a kid and I couldn't pronounce my "r" correctly and it sounds just like his.

Radahn stopped the stars for the town of selia, theres even a sword stele put up to commemorate it.

Wow I had no idea Jerren was a bloody finger but now it makes sense. Great theory!

I've always had this creeping feeling that Mohg never intended to kidnap Miquella ever since I read the description of the Bewitching Branch. Since Mohg was backed by an outer god he has no need for an Empyrean same way that the player can become Lord of Frenzied Flame. I think the timeline is a bit mixed up here, Mohg kidnaps Miquella DURING Malenia's fight with Radahn. No way is Mohg getting past Malenia if she is at the Haligtree during the kidnapping. I think Mohg went to the Haligtree to Kill Miquella while Malenia was away and vulnerable but became bewitched by the cocooned Miquella as a way to buy time for Malenia to save him. The description of the Bewitching Branch is very specific on how Miquella's power affects you *"The Empyrean Miquella is loved by many people. Indeed, he has learned very well how to compel such affection."* This gives me the conclusion that Mohg's batshit insane consort plan is derived from this compelled affection of Miquella's powers in the most fucked up way possible.

I always thought there was more tp the divone tower and that 1 cloud ditectly in the centre or the water

Also this way ensures that Messmer will not be considered a demigod you would have to kill to unlock Leyndell because you would’ve already killed two (Mogh and Radahn) If what we know is true, Messmer would not have had any involvement in the Shattering and thus would not be considered a target by the greater will

Radahn: Learns gravity sorcery to keep rising his childhood horse. Also Radahn: Uses it to hold the stars in a deathgrip, halting everybody's fate in a big "fuck you" to all their schemes.

So was Jerren working for both Mohg and Ranni? He seems to imply that he’s part of Ranni’s group if you help him defeat Sellen.

Gotta admit Radahn was probably my favorite character. He is the true elden lord in my eyes.

They're 100% going to re-use the cut Astel crash-landing after Radahn fight sequence in the DLC overworld somewhere. Or some other kind of cosmic being crashing. From loves reusing cut content in DLCs

What dialect is that? I can only hear store and stores instead of star, stars

@real_surreal_sir

7 күн бұрын

I think it's a slight speech impediment, namely mild rhotacism. It's common in that for people to pronounce *R's like either a 'W' and/or just leave it out but maybe round out preceding vowels instead (in contrast to non-rhotic accents). His impediment is pretty minor and subtle, sometimes not even there at all. but the 'stars' > 'stoooahs' is the biddest giveaway for me that it's probably not a regional accent; instead it's more like how someone from any dialect of English can have a slight lisp, but that's not considered an "accent" thing, per se

Because there's an NPC that will appear in Nokron who will tell you to go to the cacoon thing. Calling it.

Maybe the dlc also have a boss like astel but not particularly like him... A boss who crash landed in the shadow of thr erdtree... Maybe that boss is that guy from the trailr who is on a horse looking like an alien and throws a boomerang... Or maybe someone totally new...

You sly devil, I see what you did there at the end

I think Jerren being a bloody finger makes sense, not in the idea that he organized radahns death for Mohg, but more regarding what his goals are after Radahns death. He goes by the tittle "witch-Hunter Jerren" after Radahns death, and hunts down Sellen due to her being a morally grey Witch with a scary body record. He considers her mad and heartless due to how she does her work and what she wants to achieve. Jerren has had a history with the Carian royal family and the academy, so it makes sense for him to have a similar view on Sellen as them. To me it seems like he opted to become a bloody finger since he could then dish out his own sense of justice and vigilantism in the lands between with less restrictions. The tittle "Witch-Hunter" doesn't sound like a one-off tittle, so who knows what else he'll do. We never see him again if we chose to assist him against Sellen after all.

So you can get to mohg?

also malenia had no idea miquella was being abducted as that happened during her march to face radahn. the whole reason they fought was for the elden ring great runes to become elden lord. mohg literally snuck in and yoinked miquella after this. this is why when you fight her that she looks up where miquella should be and talks to him after she dies, she's blind and thinks he's in his cocoon still.

@Arcessitor

4 ай бұрын

Malenia never mentions, either herself or in lore, that she cared to become Elden Lord. If she had, she would've killed Godrick when she fought him prior to that battle. Her going to unleash the stars is 10x more likely.

Great video!

We already know why the stars were stopped.

Awesome findings! That's some deep lore.

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

I'm assuming you'll need some item from underground to interact with Miquella's cocoon.

My theory? In an older build of the game a meteor would’ve opened a hole to the Mohgwyn dynasty under Radahn’s boss arena. I think Malenia wanted to find Miquella and so was hoping the stars could guide her.

Idk about that final part becasue its stated that we aren't the o ly ones following miquella meaning that people have gone to the shadow land before radahns death. Other than that great video 🤙🏽

WOAH! someone’s from Pittsburgh I see ;D

Interesting speculation all around. While not realted to it, I always had a feeling that Radahn held the stars in place to stop beings such as the Fallingstar Beasts from invading the Lands Between. In all fairness, he was associated with Sellia, and his master who taught him Gravity Magic was most likely either an Onyx or Alabaster Lord. Along with the Starscourge Greatswords doing more damage to Fallingstar Beasts. Won't lie that I'm grasping at some things that might not be there, since the only Fallingstar Beast that's in Caelid is in a mine that I highly doubt he ever went to or heard about. I would like to think that Radahn, despite being a flawed demigod wasn't really prey to envy from the prospect of Godwyn coming back. Figured that holding the stars in stasis just had a secondary effect of stopping the Eclipse from happening.

@cheftroyardee7982

4 ай бұрын

Does more damage to Fallingstar Beasts cuz it's a gravity weapon, and all of them do. They all also deal more damage to Onyx/Alabaster lords.

There's a sword memorial in Caelid that says: "The Starscourge Conflict Radahn alone holds Sellia secure And stands tall, to shatter the stars" He halted the stars to protect Sellia, the meteor that opens the way to Nokron was most likely to hit Sellia before he halted the stars movements, and since the earth still moves, and before the battle the game automaticly sets the time at night, that meteor instead of hitting Sellia falls into Limgrave and opens the way to Nokron. There's also all the problems that the stars bring, like Astels and the falling star beasts, Radahn was protecting the Lands Between; there's cut content that shows that an Astel would have fallen into Radahn's arena after defeating him.

If Miquelon cast aside his empyrean flesh like ranni, he would need another demigods soul to do so, maybe that’s another reason malania was there for Radahn

Tbf on Radahn’s part on not wanting Godwyn to be fully resurrected, though it’s interesting to think about the GRRM style succession crisis stuff with how if Godwyn sided with Miquella it would add legitimacy and consider Radahn might envy Godwyn is interesting, but I also think it was completely reasonable in a practical sense. Godwyn on his own was a complete force to be reckoned with, dude basically led the war against the dragons and kicked serious ass, also iirc (I could totally be remembering this wrong) the other function the eclipse was supposed to have was resurrecting the other demigods killed in the Night of Black Knives, so Godwyn plus a ton of other demigods potential being controlled by/siding with Miquella would all but have his faction win the Shattering. Radahn had to know Miquella and Malenia were enough to handle but adding Godwyn and potentially others to there ranks as well, he’d likely lose. So preventing the Eclipse was a all or nothing deal, if he dies the Eclipse would happen and his plus the others would get demolished, if he won against Malenia that be a massive victory and whether he won or it was a tie (or just him holding out long enough) it would prevent Miquella’s plan. So overall, there might’ve been some personal motivation behind it but it was also logical in a royal demigod war scenario.

@garrulousgoldmask

4 ай бұрын

Oh for sure! Radahn, even in his Scarlet Rot afflicted state, was still a rational actor in the sense that what he was doing made perfect sense from his perspective. Tho I could also see a possibility (slim it may be) of Miquella negotiating with Radahn to stop the stars briefly to allow the Eclipse to bring back Godwyn, but in return, Godwyn would renounce his claim to the throne. (Ranni did cast off her Great Rune, and the trailer seems to hint that Miquella did that as well.) Of course, with Miquella kidnapped, Mohg ensured that even that unlikely diplomatic agreement would never happen.

I just assumed its because of the stars being held back. Its pretty much the only world state change besides burning the erdtree.

I think the reason Radahn hold back the star is because he knows about Ranni’s plot against the Erdtree. Maybe he wants to interrupt her plan since the star control the fate of the Carian royal, or maybe he want to protect his sister, think she would faced terrible consequences and dont want that happend so holding back the fate would prevent that

Don’t forget, we find the teleportation gate that was Mohg’s escape route from the Consecrated Snowfield back to Mohgwyn Palace. I’m sure he broke in quietly, but I don’t think he was able to return to his palace instantaneously like an invader. In my opinion, Malenia was chasing after Mohg and Radahn just happened to get in her way and challenge her for her Great Rune as part of the Shattering. I also think that Miquella was already asleep in the Haligtree roots with his sister having her rot cleansed nearby when the eclipse was scheduled to happen. While Radahn may have been responsible for halting it, and Miquella may have known what to do, he wasn’t conscious to put those pieces together and send anyone after him.

Mohg is gonna get waxed a million times over between now and the DLC dropping

Radhan was simping so hard for the Golden order and daddy Godfrey, bro fucked everybody plans and even stagnate the fate of the lands. Honor and power means nothing when you can only bring stagnation.

@jagmbaksvshsh

4 ай бұрын

stop liking ur own comments 😂👍

@kaic5225

4 ай бұрын

@@jagmbaksvshsh time to proceed and indeed like my own comment. xD

It cannot be a coincidence that the eclipse symbology looks like the eclipsed sun in Dark Souls 3, which was eclipsed by the dark brand.

The stars control fate in the Lands Between. When they are stopped, so does fate and no one can reach their destiny as a result of Radahns meddling with the stars. Radahn did this because Sellia, a place he holds very dear, was to potentially be hit by a meteor and would be destroyed by it so he held the stars in place. This is halting both Miquella's and Ranni's plans from coming into fruition as their fated roles cannot be continued with the stars halted as they are

Didn’t know Elmer Fudd was an Elden Lord

I really hope that needing to defeat Radahn to access the DLC has a different narrative reason than him holding the stars and "fate" in place.

Err. Is eclipse caused by stars or planets?

What if the erdtree is above this land? Like “the lands between” are above this shadow realm….. Maybe the tree we are seeing is holding up the erdtree? Ive heard people say they see one tree “squeezing” another…. but thats not what i see…. I see this tree below the erdtree and kinda acting like roots holding it up

@PickledTyrant

4 ай бұрын

We go up to farum so not a bad theory but you can see spirits that physically exist through St Trinas torch so there are plenty of semi transparent things like evergaols and spirit summons and torrent and even rannis second face that interact when they want

I respect him even more now holding back the stars everyones fates while being infected by scarlet rot missing his feet and not at full thinking capacity w boss👌

I like your theory about the Radahn and Malenia, it is more likely the true one. Nice video

I'm also toying with the idea that the reason Miquella went to the shadowland is because, since the light is blocked out, its an eternal eclipse. If the eclipse is necessary to grant Godwyn proper death, Miquella might well have gone into that realm for that purpose. However, it seems weird no matter the theory *why* he had to divest himself of his flesh, as you, the player, don't have to. I think being rid of the two fingers is as good a reason as any.

Two notes: - Radahn halting the stars might have been long before the Shattering. It would still prevent the eclipse, but it would not be the intended effect. - I wouldn't make too much of Jerren being a red phantom. For game mechanics, either he or Sellen had to be, and it is Sellen's questline.

@cheftroyardee7982

4 ай бұрын

Is Sellen a Bloody Finger when you fight her? I don't remember. Because if she is, it's definitely a game mechanics thing. Otherwise it would have been possible to make Jerren a "regular" invader sort of like the Flame Guardians.

malenia fought radahn because miquella asked her to so the sun would be eclipsed. mohg entered the haligtree through the portal you find in the consecrated snowfields after she left

people fail to think about what ranni has to do with all this too. remember she was the one that carried out miquellas last request for the lands between. he gave her his horse as he left for the shadow lands to give to us. not to mention her connection to radahn and her knowledge of miquella and melania

Radhan brought stangantion - his intentions may of been honorable, but change is the truth of all existence.