The unmentionable elephant in the room is religion.

Obsession with India…simple answer

Fundamental issue is "Islamic Touch" which everyone knows but purposefully ignore to address it!!

This is how Al-Jahiz, a 9th-century Arab scholar, has described Indian Culture: "As regards the Indians, they are among the leaders in astronomy, mathematics- in particular, they have Indian numerals and medicine; they alone possess the secrets of the latter, and use them to practise some remarkable forms of treatment. They have the art of carving statues and painted figures. They possess the game of chess, which is the noblest of games and requires more judgment and intelligence than any other. They make Kedah swords, and excel in their use. They have splendid music, including that of the kankala, an instrument with a single string mounted on a gourd, which takes the place of the many-stringed lute and cymbals. They know a number of sprightly dances, and are versed in magic and fumigation. They possess a script capable of expressing the sounds of all languages, as well as many numerals. They have a great deal of poetry, many long treatises, and a deep understanding of philosophy and letters; the book Kalila wa-Dimna (Panchatantra) originated with them. They are intelligent and courageous, and have more good qualities than the Chinese. Their sound judgment and sensible habits led them to invent pins, cork, toothpicks, the drape of clothes and the dyeing of hair. They are handsome, attractive and forbearing, their women are proverbial, and their country produces the matchless Indian aloes which are supplied to kings. They were the originators of the science of fikr, by which a poison can be counteracted after it has been used, and of astronomical reckoning, subsequently adopted by the rest of the world." From: THE LIFE AND WORKS OF JAHIZ by Charles Pellat, Page 197, Chapter XXXI "Superiority of the blacks to the whites", Section 3 "Indian culture

Once you deny your roots ,,this is your end

If a person of Dr. Hoodbhoy's calibre is not getting the seats full, this is where exactly the society of the nation has failed.

there is no concept of democracy in shariyat. Its just cognitive dissonance to assume that both will work together

They always mention the August 11 speech of Jinnah where he said that Pakistanis are free to go their mosques, church, temples etc. That was the only time he gave a hint that Pakistan would treat all people as equal. There is no other instance where he gave a similar speech. That August 11 speech was only for creating a false perception about Pakistan while the intention was always to create a pure Islamic country

Pakistan is not falling or fallen. Its a war economy. Pakistan thrive when its wartime and India thrive during peacetime. This is nature of Pakistan.

M.J.Akbar, an eminent Indian writer famously commented that Pakistan is neither a failed state nor a failing state, it is a "jelly state". When faced with crisis, it quivers, but doesn't fall off. It has an inherent ability to keep itself intact and survive and function below its potential.

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Let it stay that way.

Jahid Hussain said that india currently has hindu fundamentalist government in power. It seems so to people who are used to Congress's Muslim appeasement policies to the extent that Manmohan singh said the Muslims and minorities have first right to india's resources; he didn't say all have equal rights on resources. When BJP brings equality, then it feels to entitled Muslim population that they are being discremintated. No other minorities say anything, and they are super rich, but Muslims feel that way as they don't want to study math and science.

There are two types of people in the world: Those who are never never comfortable until they repay their loans and those who never intend to repay their loans. India is the former and Pakistan the latter type

APJ Abdul Kalam ko Bharat K Musalman unko Musalman nahi mante the

Just hypothetically think if Pakistan was not a Muslim country,how things would have been different

Meanwhile India reached Moon and Mars ..Pakistanis still trying to find the reason ,why Pakistan is going downwards in every aspect of Human index.

There are total 23 IIT's in India till date..IIT jammu bhi hai...now, India is working in UAE for IIT level education

Flat Earth valon ka serious discussion 😂

If Lebanon could be labelled as failed state why not Pakistan?

Pakistan fail isiliye ho raha h Qki is channel pe zyada views indians ke hai😂 . Pakistani education Mai interested hi nai h. Quran pardh ke aap rocket nahi bana sakte na hi doctor engineer ban sakte hai

bhutto was also a dynast, his father was pm of junagarh

Nobody has gutts to speak against psuedo-religious people...

Pakistan since creation has survived on US Aid, Grants, loans & selling state assets.

The root problem is religious obsession emotions and sentiments pampered by the ruling elite and the clergy instead of focusing on economy science Engineering technology logical education and creative thinking.

One must differentiate between religious extremism & reactionary extremism. For centuries indian majority Hindus have suffered at the hands of muslims. So naturally at some point they would react strongly. You can't say " oh, we are certified bad guys, so what if we beat you, but since you are a good guy, you must not react ".

The scientists and technicians involved in Project of Chanderyaan 3 are from small tier two or tier 3 cities technical colleges. They are NOT from premier IITs of India. Dr A P J Abdul Kalam, our missile man, studied in a small town of Tamil Nadu and got technical education from a local technical institution.

Sir, the psyche of Pakistan is rooted in early 8th century and the issue is how to come to terms to 21st century environment.

That student who never studied modern books but appeared in exams can only fail.

Islamic ideology is the main cause of failure down fall of this country, state. Second significant cause is existance of fuedalism which promotes dynastical polotics. Where no merit is considered. Third main reason of this failure state is intervention of armed forces in politics their hold doctatorship. They consider themself to be more reverened more priviliged.

Pakistani intellectuals keep comparing with South Korea in accessing their progress. They make a fundamental mistake - they should be comparing with North Korea. Pakistan is almost a mirror image of the north

1:46:27 Was waiting for the 'India mein bahut gurbat hai' comment. One is not an expert in Pakistan unless you say this sentence. Maybe someone will do somecresearch and find out how India has reduced poverty in the last decade or two.

Zahid saheb is one of the finest scholars in Pakistan. I regularly read n cherish his column in the Dawn.

Why Pakistan is failing ? Religious mis-priorities!

Why pakistan a failure state ?? There are many reasons for Pakistan calling a failure State. Before jumping on the answer of this question, I would like to say something about this debate, seeing many educated people in this debate but I observed one thing everyone have focus on comparing pakistan with india. What is Pakistan's own identity. Being indian, we never got fascinated towards pakistan, never said, want to be like pakistan, never thought even in dream because we never consider pak as competitor in any field. you always consider us your competitor since 1947, There was inferior complex in pakistan from the day one, it is still there. I have seen old and new generation of pakistan through various media channel and social media. everyone talking about india and india.. India did this and that but why talking about india because you have made us your enemy from the day one and also competitor. Thats the main problem. Pakistan media have 2 hot topics since moring to till night. India, speically kashmir and indian specially modiiii 😀😀😀😀😀😀😂) Now i come to the point, why pakistan is failure state, there are many Reasons. 1) Political failure - If u see from the day one, there is no proper and strong political party who ruled for such a long time without any fear of anyone in pakistan. 2) Army control - What is the role of army in every country, it is to protect people of that country from other Nations but pak army joined political parties and they have focus to take decisions according to the situation. the day pak army got power, they start missusing that power. pakistan army looks like a PVT LTD PAK ARMY, anyone come, pay them and get their work done, pay dollar and get ur work done on time without any tension. pak generals started investing and spending that money in other Nations, What happened later, Other pak army offers got inspired from them and start doing same thing, when senior can do thing, why not juniors. 3) Corruption - There is no doubt, u will find corruption everywhere in the world but will find max corruption in Pakistan political and pak army. that's the problem, political parties and army both got compromised 4) Religion Misuse - i have observed one thing, when someone does anything wrong, bring Religion to protect that wrong action. 5) un-education and unemployment - There is no doubt, there are educated people in pakistan but numbers are very less. less educated people can not bring prosperity in that Nation, need to educate more and more people as soon as possible. educated people need jobs but if they don't get jobs, will do wrong thing, corruption and that corruption will become a part of their personality. 6) Kashmir Fobiyaaaaaaaa - Kashmir made so many people rich in pakistan around 10% but 90% people suffered because of Kashmir, pakistan people have been taught, kashmir will become pakistan so stop study or work, focus on Kashmir and Kashmir, whenever u get an opp, play victim and Kashmir card. pakistan did not get kashmir but pakistan destroyed its own economy and basic human values 7) Zero human rights and couldn't save old civilization - IF u see, whoever come in the list of pakistan army, don't like that person, even civilian, no one knows, where does that person disapper forever, specially media persons. 8) Media censorship. _ all knows pakistan media has been compromised with pak army and ruling Elite class, they give order to speak this and that, especially against india on daily bases 9) Dollar - Pakistan people loves dollars, can do anything for dollar, that dollar brought so many things in pakistan, when someone get free of cost something, that become habit of that person, to beg every day, month and year. to give you an example, we generally see kids and old people ask for money at Red light,.... people pay them 5 Rs, 10Rs, 20Rs, 50rs,100Rs, 500 Rs. Pakistan has become that beggar today, whoever pay max money, will become slave of that country like China and USA. Both countries used pakistan till now since 1947 Now pakistan wanna, india come and save pakistan but india doesn't wanna to save pakistan, india wanna, pakistan always be like this because india knows, there is no govt in pakistan, no one knows, who is controlling pakistan, all are fighting for power, from imran khan to shabaz sharif, Jardariii and pak army. all wanna to sit on that chair and enjoy luxury life. Pakistan people love Army rule and corruption, it is in their blood now, will be very difficult for change. Next to impossible Task till today.

Pleasantly surprised to see the familiar face of Shakeel Chaudhary sitting in the front row ! … always the humble gentleman

Discussion from decades... but overall shallow. Never deep 😂😂😂😂😂

There are 4 aspects of human endeavor: Philosopher, Tradesman, Merchant & Soldier ! Well rounded education must develop all these. Neglecting any one or over stressing few over others will always lead to flawed society. Historically the Hindu-Buddhist culture neglected the 2nd & 4th aspect to their peril and Arabs neglected first two after loss of Spain leading to their peril too… so that’s it !!

15-17 people attending the session says it all about why Pakistan is failing

Asking why is Pakistan failing after being a fanatic islamic nation is like asking why is a person dying after getting cancer.

Shelley put it so well 👇 "History is a cyclic poem written by time upon the memories of man". Cheers Syed Khawar Mehdi

Very informative video. Zahid Abbas gave some hopes amid severe crisis. Pakistan can get out of this situation by leaving Islamization project behind.

Good talk, but going back all the way to 1947, makes for a problem with no solution. Better to debate how Pakistan can grow now.

India ke.bina.aap log bat hi nahi kar.sakte, har bat pe india

Thanks for sharing

Explanatory and comprehensive

Seldom the hall is full. Proof enough for the topic under discussion.

so much interesting this talk n absolutely knowledgeable by zahid saaab

Why so many seats are empty? Dr. Pervez I am a medical doctor in Punjab India immensely interested in Indo- Pak politics, I am not convinced Sir that Pakistan has already failed Sir. I am sorry but this is it.

Zahid Hussain I salute you.

Empty seats speak louder than any words.

Honest interaction Dr Hoodbhoy, keep it up. Don't lose hope. One more thing, Mr Zahid Hussain looked a bit pale. I hope his health is alright.

1:16:44 happy to see shakil Chaudhary sahab

15 mins into the talk and I close the video as I have seen 500 such talks with exactly the same content by 500 different speakers😂

Zahid Hussain .. who used to write under psydo name Mazdak in Dawn?

These smaller entities will get one more opportunity to remove the zamindari system and can also reclaim lands which have been taken over by army folks as new land lords, who I hear are now using those as businesses and have gotten into real estate and get tax breaks. How will anyone in present day Pakistan break such shackles. Not possible brothers. High time for Pashtuns, Sindhis, Baloach to reclaim their lands and history.

Speaker did not mention none of the other countries is a proliferater

I think Shakil Choudhary is in the audience

I'm surprised after visiting this channel that such kind of people of reason and scientific tempor exist in a orthodox society like Pakistan.

Shakil sahib - --- well said

What a great assessment. Ek Ek lafz Sonay mein tolnay ke Qabil. Zahid Hussain the great intellectual and Journalist.

Glad & surprised to see Shakil Chaudhary.

My view is that male supremacy endorsed by the religion has put women in the back seat. Women’s education and their development has suffered by the hubris and consumerist mindset. That in turn has produced a generation lacking in humanity, work ethic and moral values. This generation totes religion like a medal, which should be a personal preference. This medal is the currency of the whole state. Bottom line: educate mothers, along with men. Give them value, make them part of society. Give them responsibility along with their cherished thrones, snd they will produce responsible people. 1: Take religion back to the inner sanctums of home. Religion is not a collective value, it is a personal value. Teach to respect others’ religions. 2: responsibility for their own actions i.e. conscience. I see a lack in self questioning and holding oneself responsible. Teach true history to children, fact based knowledge is the only knowledge, rest is brainwashing. Teach sciences and philosophy. Reasoning and logic is also an art that also has to be learnt. I think Mr Hoodbhoy, instead of just discussing you could start by opening a school from the very bottom. Raise children from primary education to up all the way in the right manner, even on a small scale. A school that teaches what should be taught in a school, regardless of the state criteria. A true model school. Change depends on people who can see the faults of the society.

The book No win war by Zahid Hussain is a wonderful work of him. Must read book

Democracy is not a matter of simply holding elections, the guest reminds the viewers. It’s about the functioning political institutions, which never developed. How could they develop when soldiers of Islam feel that they know how to govern the pygmies in Jinnah’s Amazon jungle? Most recently, they staged a puppet show with a puppet prime minister-a sexual athlete turned Taliban. A state broken people loved the show. In an economic distress, politics offered escape. What remained constant was the military rule. They ran private criminal enterprises. Loot and plunder remained in the background. The talking heads could go on and on. Talk is just a talk among the Plunderers.

Sir, Pakistan is already failed. When institutions fail, it is as good as failed. There is no such thing as failing and failed.

Everyone is talking about what went wrong in Pakistan. Nobody talks about what's the way forward?

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Where is this show taking place?

Well done Shakil Chaudhry Saab

Excellent explainer of major issues of Pakistan

It should be - why has Pakistan already failed

Honest analysis

Respect you sir.

Deep!

اتنی اہم گفتگو کو سننے والوں کی تعداد اتنی کم کیوں❓ ہے🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🚢🚢۔

Nuclear capability is become every Pakistanis monthly salary. They keep talking about it.😊

28:00 10% of any super market invoice is GST.

Mr Hussain what is meaning of prefect democracy?? In which nation where is prefect democracy is running? Give your audience an example, we (Indian) also can learn from you// You why not telling the true picture of Pakistan to your audience that Pakistan is failed state, and there is no hope to recover from this situation, are you afraid?

Professor Hudbhaiy invites good intellectual to the black hole but why is it he never invites intellectual people who might disagree with him or more diversity on the political, social, economical or scientific spectrum…it would be more beneficial if the black hole invites intellectuals who disagree with the black holes world view

Any panecia to counter the buarocratic rules ?

Great content sir❤

Excellent

Kuch fail vail nahi hai. Jazba aur imaan hai. Aur kya chaiye

two intellectual on stage and only 10 to 15 to hear ..that's tragedy of पाकिस्तान.

Vacant chairs before this bench of intellectual ,shows intellectual bankruptcy of Pakistan.

Pakistan fecilitated open up China helping US! Pakistan didn't emphasized on economy. India also didn't open till early 1990! In case of India Nehru Gandhi dynasty and Marxist economist MM Singh didn't think about copying communist China! Their ruling class and communists wanted to give China head start! This was the reason India woke up a generation late!

His point about no dynasty politics 50 years ago is a red herring. It wasn't as entrenched mostly (across the subcontinent) because the next generation was not old enough as simple as that.

Land reforms increase the income & purchasing power of the poorest rural workers. This in turn increases the market size for domestic companies allowing and actually forcing them to develop to remain competitive. Only then those companies can export successfully.

Very well debate

Manifesto ma confirmation honia cyiaa hor public ko bi krnie cyiaa

Pakistan Mia educational University total kitnie hor world ki top universities ma kitnie University hai ya tek kroo sab tekk hoo ghaaa

KOREA, KOREA, KOREA : SUT NA KAPAS, KOREON MEIN LATHAM LATHAA.

Ye tho honahi tha

We have in every possible way proven our inept & utter incompetence in managing our affairs. A very academic and impartial look at our report card of 75 years says it all. Other than first 11 years it's an abysmal track record with periodic false spikes of progress. It would only be prudent to consider someone like China to manage our affairs in more ways than periodic bailouts, largesse etc. The root to rot can be traced to Objectives resolution and needs herculean effort to clean these Augean stables.

Only 5 steps will see miracle in just 10. years. 1. Secular constitution/democracy 2. Compulsory girl education 3. Strict rule of law 4. Zero tolerance- military under civilian govt. 5. Abolish madrasha education only scientific and secular education. Very difficult but ONLY way, otherwise__________.?

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One thing that anyone can see about Pakistan is that it is the Waahid Muslim nuclear power. Because of this Muslim countries will depend on Pakistan for security. And non-Muslim countries will be afraid of Pakistani power. So all countries will keep paying Pakistan. It shouldn’t need to worry about all these small issues.

Establishment plays the most dirty role in the election of Pakistan and that's why Pakistan is not progressing. The people bail out the corrupt Politian for their personal interests. پاکستان کے الیکشن میں سب سے گھناؤنا کردار اسٹیبلشمنٹ کا ہے اور اسی وجہ سے پاکستان ترقی نہیں کر رہا۔ یہ لوگ اپنے ذاتی مفادات کے لیے کرپٹ سیاستدان کو بیل آؤٹ کرتے ہیں۔

Itna sach mat boliye Islamic extremists can't tolerate.. Be safe

Please invite Amaar Habib Khan to talk on economics.

India k Bina inka Koyi lecture nhi hota