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  • @deserthotthings2274
    @deserthotthings22746 жыл бұрын

    One of the most underappreciated aspects of Moon's drumming and the aspect that makes his sound so singular is his brilliant, soulful and instinctual use of dynamics within the measures themselves. The way he leans into and pulls back from that great wash of simmering cymbals and cascading rolls and triplets. Always awash in the moment. His performance on "A Quick One" on the Rock n Roll Circus is of course a great example. Everything about his drumming...particularly on the last section of the song...is absolute trancendence. It is perfect in it's imperfection and passion. The wonks that attempt to devalue Keith's greatness as a drummer are the fussy accountant drummers who have never tasted what it's like to be on fire from the inside. Technique is a bothersome means to an end and nothing more. It's why those flavorless session and touring guys can so invisibly play everything under the sun. They don't have anything to say. So they learn how to play everything and wait to be told what to do. All those bitter drum and guitar techs who grumble about how much "bettert" they are than the people who employ them. Visionaries start making music the moment they know how to play in even the most rudimentary way...often never totally refining their technique...because they're bursting with message from moment one....Keith Moon, Pete Townshend, Bob Dylan, Little Richard, etc. The Gods.

  • @dsaulw

    @dsaulw

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well said

  • @Calenrod

    @Calenrod

    4 жыл бұрын

    My man, you nailed it! We need more people that “get it”

  • @charleschiselcarfagnochise6483

    @charleschiselcarfagnochise6483

    2 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant and eloquent analysis!!!

  • @johnfrei9057

    @johnfrei9057

    Жыл бұрын

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • @troloquimicoxd69

    @troloquimicoxd69

    Жыл бұрын

    So true...

  • @OtisCult
    @OtisCult7 жыл бұрын

    Keith Moon, patron saint to all of us drummers in love with rock and roll growing up in Mexico City in the 60's. Nunca olvidaremos.

  • @jonnyrocket3659
    @jonnyrocket36594 жыл бұрын

    You only have to listen to Quadrophenia (1973 I think) to realise how great Keith was... Keith was at his drumming peak then I'm sure... as were The Who... and he helped make the best album of all time.. i punch the bag at the gym every day to Keith's music, and it keeps me healthy... Keith The Loon RIP

  • @daveh9335
    @daveh93357 жыл бұрын

    There may be "better" drummers, but Moony was (and remains) my favorite drummer. Long Live Rock!

  • @paulgeorgia8013
    @paulgeorgia80137 жыл бұрын

    He was the Jimi Hendrix of the drumkit

  • @ericynot

    @ericynot

    5 жыл бұрын

    Might it be fair to call Entwistle the Jimi Hendix of bass?

  • @pierrepetry5734

    @pierrepetry5734

    5 жыл бұрын

    Paul G.There was guitar playing and sounding before Jimi Hendrix and after!It's not the case of Keith Moon's drumming.He was just a rock'n'roll drummer.Not a genius like Jimi was.I think that someone like Ginger Baker do more to put the drums under the light!

  • @fritadordemiolos41

    @fritadordemiolos41

    4 жыл бұрын

    Pierre Petry hahahahaha no

  • @briansrensen8204

    @briansrensen8204

    4 жыл бұрын

    He seriously was not. Hendrix was a rare musical and technical talent - even by todays standards. That is why every accomplished guitarist has him on their top teen list of guitar GOAT's. Meanwhile, every accomplished drummer will recognise KM as mediocre at best.

  • @discernment8963

    @discernment8963

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@briansrensen8204 Technically mediocre maybe,which KM himself would be the 1st to admit. The instinctual born with incredible unique excellence is absolutely what this technical expert doing this video's referencing as well as the commenter paralleling him (correctly)to the freestyling genius of Hendrix. I'd say Johnny Winter & Rory Gallagher also.

  • @BarryWarne
    @BarryWarne6 жыл бұрын

    Keith was taught by a drum teacher, emulated big band drummers and surf drummers. He played the melody across drums, or he played something that was a composite to the vocal line, the guitar chops and the bass run - with drum shots in between. His drumming was unique like a fingerprint.

  • @javier3585

    @javier3585

    3 жыл бұрын

    carlo little was his first teacher ........... good comment

  • @michaelcohen537

    @michaelcohen537

    2 жыл бұрын

    Keith had 2 lessons soon after joining The Who, and that was it. He also never practiced.

  • @TuckerSP2011

    @TuckerSP2011

    Жыл бұрын

    He certainly had only limited lessons from Carlo Little but the few he did have were profound. He learned mostly how to put power behind his drumming.

  • @johndef5075
    @johndef50755 жыл бұрын

    The best is listening to his isolated drum tracks. It sounds so weird but fits perfectly in the song. And live he plays so much double bass it really creates an incredible force along with his awesome fills and cymbal work.

  • @theonlyantony
    @theonlyantony7 жыл бұрын

    Keith filled a massiVe decibel range. What he plays is like a quintet arrangement added in to the Who's sound. The implications of what he plays range between circus music and Bernstein and Krupa and Tchaikovsky. It's all there. When he died, the Who felt the DB range deficit, massively. between he and Entwistle, there's a symphonic twist to mundane rock parts. There are lines he plays on some songs that imply Baroque trills and others that are are harp glissando. Absolutely inventive. I think his technique was great - he could do incredible things and fill the tiniest gaps (and he sought them out) with refreshing fills, and steal the limelight. Breaks my heart, every time I listen to him. Have met Townshend and used to see him about in Richmond, when I was a child. Wish I'd met Keith too. There's a Norman Wisdom UK 1950's comedy film, in which he plays the drums.I think Keith must have seen it. The likeness is uncanny. At 3: 27 = Keith Moon. Of course Moon would have watched this, as a child.It was made when he was tennish. Definite influence, methinks. kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGmC0qRwnbHfibQ.html

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    7 жыл бұрын

    A very astute observation. His technique and mechanics were lacking but he made up for it in spades with primordial instincts.

  • @ronriggs9954

    @ronriggs9954

    7 жыл бұрын

    but the guy above just said that he thinks Keith's technique was great not lacking.

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes you're right but he's probably not a drummer but his ears and his abilites to express his views are very astute. You can see that.

  • @karlclarke

    @karlclarke

    7 жыл бұрын

    yeah, after keith The Who had to add additional guitars and keyboards etc.. to fill the frequencies keith used to cover. What he did on the drums was unbelievable

  • @Robbob9933

    @Robbob9933

    7 жыл бұрын

    Keith played on more hits that a vast majority of "technical" drummers. This is true for another drummer that is mis-understood, Ringo Star. Watch watch?v=9oQsKRyihEA for an analysis that applies to both.

  • @debbiefletcher3852
    @debbiefletcher38527 жыл бұрын

    most drummers play with there heads, some play with there hearts, keith played with his balls!

  • @rickanimaltaylor2758

    @rickanimaltaylor2758

    7 жыл бұрын

    Haha Well said!!!

  • @thecorbies

    @thecorbies

    7 жыл бұрын

    No he didn't He played with sticks. I saw them.

  • @arfshesaid4325

    @arfshesaid4325

    7 жыл бұрын

    Will Farell did on step brothers, hes the only one who played with his balls

  • @TheMonkeyboiii

    @TheMonkeyboiii

    6 жыл бұрын

    Implied TK? Keith don't give a damn about that, lol. He just kicked ass!! He was a savant.

  • @baldman7738

    @baldman7738

    6 жыл бұрын

    Debbie Fletcher don't know if you know what that sounds like.

  • @drumsybatabamboom8022
    @drumsybatabamboom80227 жыл бұрын

    "Live At Leeds". Historical capture of Keiths genius!!!

  • @manofsteel1082

    @manofsteel1082

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also, "A quick one" on the Stones Circus show, Epic band performance, driven by Moonie.

  • @keef7224

    @keef7224

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also, London Coliseum ‘69, Isle of Wight ‘70, Tanglewood ‘70. 🥁 💥

  • @toicat
    @toicat7 жыл бұрын

    You might add that Keith followed Roger's vocal leads....and still managed those signature drum fills! As you said "Who's Next" included some great drumming, with the fills on "My Wife" making me smile every time that I hear them. Keith and John left us way too soon.

  • @TheRealDrJoey
    @TheRealDrJoey7 жыл бұрын

    When I was 13 I bought my first Who record. It was 'Can't Explain', by a band called The Who that nobody had ever heard of, and it's the only record I ever bought just because I liked the drummer. I don't think The Who ever did another great thing since we lost Keith. I'll never forget when he goosed Ann Margret at the Grammys.

  • @Maryonpark
    @Maryonpark7 жыл бұрын

    Keith was such a ball of energy, he just tried to hit all the drums at once. It seemed like he had 5 pairs of hands. Sheer excitement but above all he was a brilliant drummer.

  • @cherrygarcia1845

    @cherrygarcia1845

    7 жыл бұрын

    like a praying mantis with 4 arms

  • @JOHNWLOUCKS
    @JOHNWLOUCKS3 жыл бұрын

    I saw keith live many times . I liked that he was unconventional and totally unpredictable but of course thinking of all the other parts:bass, guitar and vocals. His under rated bass drum work is amazing and so many of those great rolls are on his double bass drums.

  • @rsaathoff
    @rsaathoff5 жыл бұрын

    The Tommy tour from 1969 thru 1971 was an increadible intergergetic team. Whatching keith moon and pete Townshend play off eachother was incredible. Probably the best live performance of their day. Sparks!

  • @guesthistorian5620
    @guesthistorian56202 жыл бұрын

    When I first saw Keith Moon's drumming, I was inspired by the way he plays. I now play the drums; it is a blast.

  • @ksjdhg
    @ksjdhg6 жыл бұрын

    Keith provided that perfect tension for a band like The Who. He played on the edge of coming off the rails most of the time, but that is hard for a most trained drummers to emulate. I think he was a mad genius!

  • @timottes334
    @timottes3348 жыл бұрын

    To me, Moonie is the greatest of rock drummers. He embodied the spirit of rock and roll in his playing. I hate that he is so criticized by drummers. When you listen to early Who or see video of early Who, you realize that Moonie could have been a great " technical " drummer had he chosen that path and concentrated on being a drummer rather than The Loon. He could not have played the style that he played without technical ability. I think that a lot of drummers that are considered great could not have been better than they were, but Moonie could have been better. By that I mean a more rounded drummer because he had the ability to do that but chose not to go that route.

  • @timottes334

    @timottes334

    7 жыл бұрын

    ... just listen to Leaving Here and the studio version of My Generation... even I Can't Explain, and one can easily see the " drummer, " and where that playercould have gone if he was of the nature of Neil Peart rather than The Loon.

  • @dsfddsgh

    @dsfddsgh

    7 жыл бұрын

    I agree Keith had a lot of technical ability but i think the drugs and booze and his crazy personality probably kept him from studying on how to become a better drummer.

  • @Finnandfletch

    @Finnandfletch

    7 жыл бұрын

    Technically Neil Peart is all over Moon in terms of ability. It terms of soul and being dynamic give me moon any day over Peart. It's why I'd rater listen to The Who than say, Steely Dan. The Who are nowhere near the playing ability of Steely Dan but if we wanted perfection in music we would only listen to classical music. And nobody wants that all the time.

  • @cirenosnor5768

    @cirenosnor5768

    7 жыл бұрын

    dsfddsgh There was no need for Moon to study on being a better drummer any more than someone like Jimmy Page (often cited as being sloppy and technically non proficient) needed to study being a better guitar player. What they bring to the table has less to do with technique and more about swagger. You can teach/learn technique but probably need to be born with swagger a la Page & Moon

  • @DavidSmith-ss1cg

    @DavidSmith-ss1cg

    6 жыл бұрын

    Cire Nosnor - Both Moon and Pagey were technically well-grounded and then stretched out once they got to be famous. They both had the effect of raising the bar for musicians.

  • @everyoneisaracist6607
    @everyoneisaracist66077 жыл бұрын

    Moon studied with Carlo Little the great jazz drummer. moon was 'technical' because he played amazing drums. Never met anyone who could play like him, i played with lots of drummers.

  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo6 жыл бұрын

    Keith was more like a theatrical player, never seen anyone else like him and plenty have tried to be like him.

  • @TheAgentAssassin

    @TheAgentAssassin

    6 жыл бұрын

    yeah and he actually played to a click track in his headphones It's the perfect marriage of control and chaos .

  • @tdunph4250

    @tdunph4250

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheAgentAssassin I always thought that if you saw Keith with headphones on, it was usually during live Won't get fooled Again + Baba O' Reilly so that he could keep timing with the background music/tape playing in his earphones that starts the songs off and continues throughout. That's why in live versions of those two songs, Keith is a little more restrained as on the record.

  • @KimiMD

    @KimiMD

    Жыл бұрын

    What about Animal? He was theatrical.

  • @JesseP.Watson
    @JesseP.Watson6 жыл бұрын

    Nice vid and perspective. ..And agreed. Watching Keith Moon recently made me remember to have fun, to express myself behind the kit, not to spend hours editing out ALL the risks from my playing - to keep myself on the sharp end of creativity and those I play with... To focus on energy and musicality, above all else.

  • @ryandozier8053
    @ryandozier80533 жыл бұрын

    Kieth is simply unmatched in his talent.

  • @georgiahomegrownadventures
    @georgiahomegrownadventures4 жыл бұрын

    The best synopsis of Keith Moon and his magnificence i have ever heard. Thank you.

  • @TuckerSP2011
    @TuckerSP2011 Жыл бұрын

    I really appreciate your assessment of KM's creativity and spirit! As a fan since 1972 I have rarely heard any drummers noting these two aspects of his power as a drummer with The Who. They completed each other and it was thrilling to behold from a fan's perspective.

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks man. He was around 3 other powerful personalities and handled THEM!

  • @jmgmarcus808
    @jmgmarcus8087 жыл бұрын

    All very well said. A lot of people don't think he's great because of his technique, but that's bs. Most and that's most with a capital M don't come within miles of his energy.

  • @DEeMONsworld
    @DEeMONsworld7 жыл бұрын

    Your very diplomatic about Moon, as a an instructor teacher. Love his emotional attachment to the instrument.

  • @Reverberocket
    @Reverberocket6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this. I really like how you detail the particular attributes of Keith's drumming as compared to a (the) more reserved aspect of the drummer just being the timekeeper for the band.

  • @Kreln1221
    @Kreln12213 жыл бұрын

    *Moon's impersonation of a coal burning steam train on, "A Quick One (While He's Away)", during the "Ivor the Engine Driver" section, always blew my mind... He really sounded like the proverbial oldschool choo-choo train*

  • @jamo8739
    @jamo87396 жыл бұрын

    Keith Moon fucking ruled. That is all.

  • @chasemanhart
    @chasemanhart6 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic! I'm studying Kieth at the moment, your video was a great source of information!

  • @memphissommers4171
    @memphissommers41717 жыл бұрын

    I became a drummer because of Moon The Loon! From watching him incessantly and studying him over the decades, I have picked up many of his 'bad habits', and I couldn't be more pleased. Oh sure, the singers in both of my bands have an issue with me 'playing over them' at times, but once they hear it in the studio, they 'get it.' Drummer Tony Williams once said, "I love Keith Moon's drumming. It's beautiful and totally free." And I agree. If you become too ingrained with the 'etiquette' and 'discipline' of playing drums, then you need not bother with rock music. For rock music is supposed to be spontaneous and surprising, not regimented and militaristically timed out, as if it were being played for the benefit of goose-stepping soldiers. To the contrary! It should make you sit up and take note, saying, "What IS that!? It sounds cool!" Keith Moon had no restrictions on his playing. He refused to succumb to the anemic and elementary mantra of staying in the pocket and keeping perfect time and THAT is what made him great. He was UNIQUE! Not a cookie-cutter percussionist that played within the parameters and restrictive boundaries of a barbed-wire, unwritten law that demanded regimentation and discipline, but instead, he let his hands and his heart go. He simply just let them go. As ALL drummers should, not matter what genre we are immersed in. RIP Keith Moon.

  • @simaojoseph
    @simaojoseph8 жыл бұрын

    the opening fill on "the acid queen" is so perfect.

  • @dkelban
    @dkelban7 жыл бұрын

    One of the great things about Keith is that, like ginger baker, he brought improvisation and jazz drumming into rock, kicking rock music up to a whole new level.

  • @dimitrisatleoforos
    @dimitrisatleoforos7 жыл бұрын

    probably the best analysis i ve seen for the phenomenon Keith!

  • @analogalien
    @analogalien5 жыл бұрын

    Well said. I really enjoyed this. I think you were spot on about Keith and you hit the nail right square on the head. If you listen to his double bass playing and how it meshed with John, it really is fantastic. Pure and Easy is such a great example of this.

  • @quirkwoods
    @quirkwoods3 жыл бұрын

    As a guitarist I love watching stuff about drumming, and I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned excitement, every band is different, but without a drummer who understands what is needed you're doomed!

  • @NickTann
    @NickTann6 жыл бұрын

    My dad was onstage with the Who at the Isle of Wight festival, he was operating a light. He bought me home some of those drumsticks. Do I still have them?

  • @magiscichoam
    @magiscichoam7 жыл бұрын

    With respect, I'm not sure you provide an accurate assessment of Keith Moon's drumming. In fact some of your comments are way off. I saw him live during the following tours: 1969-70 (Tommy), 1971 (Who's Next), 1973 (Quadrophenia) and 1975 (The Who By Numbers). He did take drum lessons. He often used high hats and he practiced relentlessly. He's the most melodic drummer and one of the most musical drummers that I've ever heard/seen. For me he created rhythmic sound/tone paintings that are a perfect sound bed for the music of The Who. In fact Moon and John EntwhistIe are one of the greatest Rock rhythm sections ever. I went to college with a friend who lived above Moon for several years in the 1960s. He told me that Moon practiced all the time, regularly took drum lessons and was an extremely polite and courteous man. The magnificent Elvin Jones described Moon as a real drummer, one who was totally in control of the rhythms driving the music. When asked which rock drummer he admired the great Tony Williams answered "Keith Moon". When asked why, Williams replied "because he's free, totally free!". The LP "Who's Next" is perfect reference for Moon's brilliant and rhythmically monstrous drumming. In addition to the song "Bargain", "Going Mobile", "Getting In Tune", and "The Song Is Over" are also epic examples of Moon's legendary drumming. Equally important examples of Moon's ground breaking drumming can be found on the LPs "The Who Sell Out" (I Can See For Miles), "Tommy" (Sparks/Amazing Journey, The Underture, I'm Free and Go To The Mirror Boy) and all of the songs on "Live At Leeds". An outstanding video of Moon's drumming is the live performance of The Who at the Tanglewood Music Shed on July 7, 1970. I was at the concert. Moon is absolutely on fire. The concert video is usually available on KZread and can be purchased as a DVD. I advise you to have your students check it out!

  • @TheRealDrJoey

    @TheRealDrJoey

    7 жыл бұрын

    HEAR, HEAR!!

  • @galericulus9736

    @galericulus9736

    7 жыл бұрын

    Well stated. And I agree with every word.

  • @robertvonbargen8677

    @robertvonbargen8677

    7 жыл бұрын

    Pete said that Keith practiced less and less as time went on...

  • @magiscichoam

    @magiscichoam

    7 жыл бұрын

    Robert von bargen Yes, you're correct. I've seen/read several interviews with Townsend where he discussed Keith Moon. I've also read numerous articles and the book "Moon" by Tony Fletcher. It's clear that Townsend regretted having to deal with the rapidly deteriorating Moon and the realization that Moon's increasing incapacity significantly diminished the power of the live performances of The Who. Prior to the sessions for the album "Who Are You", Moon practiced so infrequently that he had to "relearn" how to play the drums to be moderately capable of contributing to the production of the album. It's evident that moving to America and his love of alcohol and the rock and roll lifestyle ultimately destroyed Keith Moon.

  • @robertvonbargen8677

    @robertvonbargen8677

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. How do you feel about my overall opinions about the band's stature in the Rock Pantheon? go to my FB timeline to read a bit more.

  • @larrycreature7292
    @larrycreature72925 жыл бұрын

    Couldn't agree more i'm a guitar player and i would of loved to have jammed with Keith, creative etheral energy like a jack in a box! one of my favourite keith drum tracks is Amazing Journey from the Live at Leeds album, when that kicks in....just wow.

  • @1NicholasInSeattle
    @1NicholasInSeattle5 жыл бұрын

    Dude! YOU--- NAILED IT! KM played by soul, not by mind. His spirit was always in his sticks. Exactly how I play--- or I don't play at all. He loved his fellow mates and it was his place to enhance--- never to take away always to add! Ciao!!! Play with ALL you got

  • @Mrmorlam1
    @Mrmorlam12 жыл бұрын

    Great to see Keith Moon revered and recognised. What a wizard blizzard he is. That Isle of White gig is astonishing. I was looking at it just the other day mezmerized by the journey in the music.

  • @aivopark
    @aivopark6 жыл бұрын

    The musical talent and your artistic genes, makes you special and even a star.

  • @danielescanaba596
    @danielescanaba5967 жыл бұрын

    Wow. I'm so happy I found you. I subscribed.

  • @townshendshean
    @townshendshean7 жыл бұрын

    You nailed it as far as the "creative" aspect of Keith's playing. His mind and approach to the the drums and their roll (no pun intended) was just...unique. For that reason alone, that makes him quite technical...just not in the "normal" technical way (if that makes sense). I do know this: I've yet to find or hear anyone who can figure him out or sound like him. It's kind of like trying to figure out how the universe was created. While I'm here, I'd like to give out some love to my life-long neighbor, Mr. Roy Burns. I'm sure you are familiar with him. You wanna talk technique and showmanship? Roy is one of the all greats in both areas. And as far as teachers...I'll bet you read a few of his books way back when :)

  • @DrHogfan
    @DrHogfan7 жыл бұрын

    I listen to the end of MY GENERATION and just shake my head.

  • @tinfoilhatter
    @tinfoilhatter7 жыл бұрын

    excellent,sir! thank you!

  • @SalAveNU
    @SalAveNU5 жыл бұрын

    I saw an interview and I can't remember if it was Rodger Daltry or Pete Townsend who said "A Lot Of What He Played Was Really Funny"

  • @Dortch3
    @Dortch37 жыл бұрын

    I don't play drums, yet know good drumming when I hear it. I am impressed that you can use 7 minutes to state Moon had personality and little technical skill. Keith moon's drumming is like no other of which I am familiar. I can only describe it as "rolling." His play is constantly rolling and building up throughout most songs. It is a joy to listen to such, and that is what makes him a great drummer...no one else plays that way.

  • @MalCox56
    @MalCox567 жыл бұрын

    Great insights and I agree with every word. And I'm not a drummer, I'm a guitarist but I love to hear great drummers.

  • @whatsmyname5202
    @whatsmyname52025 жыл бұрын

    Keith moons not great... He’s the bloody best

  • @bmoon12
    @bmoon126 жыл бұрын

    What an excellent video ! I've always thought the drumming on Real Me to be particularly good.

  • @lynnbain9096
    @lynnbain90967 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this upload & I totally agree with you

  • @josemiguelpallaresdiaz2054
    @josemiguelpallaresdiaz20546 жыл бұрын

    Excelentes comentarios. Totalmente de acuerdo.

  • @lefty46651833
    @lefty466518336 жыл бұрын

    From a guitarist and massive Who fan perspective , always was amazed that Keith was perhaps the only drummer who would START a roll on the crash, then go around the toms. His entrance on the Seeker and the last part of Pure And Easy (Sods version) are examples as well as portions of Quadrophenia.

  • @doctorskull8197
    @doctorskull81974 жыл бұрын

    Well done video!

  • @gliddofglood
    @gliddofglood6 жыл бұрын

    I have no qualifications to pass any judgement on Moon's technical prowess, but he was definitely the most exciting drummer I have heard. His style is pure excitement. He's all over the kit at high speed and keeping up a constant cymbal barrage. i love this. Mind you, I have noticed that back in the day, cymbals were a lot more popular than they seem to be now.

  • @garyrossington5444
    @garyrossington54444 жыл бұрын

    You're right, i have never been impressed with his technique but the mere presence behind the kit produced energy that was infectuous, that alone highly out weighed his skill level.

  • @glowaves
    @glowaves7 жыл бұрын

    Great insights, thanks for sharing this. All that live, unscripted, spontaneity seems a lost art.

  • @joecaroselli5858
    @joecaroselli58585 жыл бұрын

    I am a drummer and drumming instructor also. I am also a drummer historian of all the drummers starting with Baby Dodds. I think that you did an EXCELLENT job explaining this. I studied with Joe Morello and also have done drum exhibitions with Buddy Rich (He actually let me play his Ludwig BR set), Louie Bellson, and Ed Shaughnessy. You are being totally fair with what you said regarding K.M. You are putting it all in perspective, and showing us his worth. Superb job here.

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Joe. I've emormous catalog in my channel. You'll enjoy "Why is" vids, top 5 Jazz Drummers, Avant Garde, Pop. etc. Tons of stuff. Important! take a serious look at 2 vids specifically for you. 1st Stick Grip Tutorial 2nd Why Play Match Grip Only? To understand my work technically. I welcome your questions because you are a teacher.

  • @chrisfioravanti694
    @chrisfioravanti6949 ай бұрын

    Can you tell me what song at the Isle of Wight concert when uses the floor Tom and uses the box of sticks ?

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    9 ай бұрын

    No, I don't remember. But it is definitely Isle of Wight show. Hysterically funny.

  • @PhilDourado
    @PhilDourado7 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant. Thank you.

  • @grueurgrue2108
    @grueurgrue21085 жыл бұрын

    I wish you could still see them do Naked Eye from that concert outside of owning the documentary. It seems everyone has deleted it for some reason. I guess I'll have to buy the dvd. Worth it cause it also has so many other great performances from other acts.

  • @fendersunburst4832
    @fendersunburst48327 жыл бұрын

    Bargain is a great example of Keiths drumming, but Going Mobile sounds very difficult to emulate. I aint a drummer I am a Bassist but I know a fantastic drummer when I hear one, and for me Keith was the best of all time.

  • @TheTestingGrounds

    @TheTestingGrounds

    6 жыл бұрын

    I concur, the most challenging song on Who's next as far as drumming is concerned.

  • @jimalexander687

    @jimalexander687

    6 жыл бұрын

    As another bassist, I agree.

  • @bigpoppa3020

    @bigpoppa3020

    6 жыл бұрын

    Can someone explain to me why those two songs are so good for drumming? I’m not a drummer.

  • @dsaulw

    @dsaulw

    6 жыл бұрын

    I am not a drummer, but I have always been blown away by Bargain. Just put a pair of headphones and listen.

  • @Savisoundman1

    @Savisoundman1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Best of all time, heck no!!!

  • @roadrocket7
    @roadrocket77 жыл бұрын

    Four Keith Moon tracks that define his drumming and legacy: 1. " I Can't Explain" (orig.studio cut) 2. "I Can See For Miles" 3. "Summertime Blues" from Live At Leeds, and 4. "Baba O'Riley"/ or "Bargain". Take your pick here. Can't think of any modern day drummer who could replicate the ending of "Baba O'Riley"...or his interplay with Pete on "Summertime Blues". Go back and listen to Keith on all the Who recordings. He WAS ON THE BEAT...PERFECTLY. His time really never was "off" or lagged. The critics are wrong. Zak Starkey does an amazing job. As did Kenney Jones. Big shoes to fill. The pressure he must have been under.

  • @ronriggs9954

    @ronriggs9954

    7 жыл бұрын

    kinda cool too...Zak Starkey calls Moonie, "Uncle Keith" and that is who taught him how to play drums.

  • @mattguzda853

    @mattguzda853

    6 жыл бұрын

    I heard an interview with pete who said he often just played rythm during live preformances because both moon n entwhistle were going off (playing fills and runs) so someone had to keep time. I like moon. Lotsa fun to watch n hear but keith was often high n drunk and his time would waver. Maybe during recording he was solid but his time was affected by being effed up at times. And i dont care, i like what he did but im just saying ive heard thru interview with pete that keith wouldnt keep perfect time always.

  • @4orrcountry

    @4orrcountry

    6 жыл бұрын

    Matt Guzda. Horse manure. It appears you've taken license by taking bits of what others have said and then made assumptions from there. I've been a Who fan since 1966 and have seen them live 6 times, the first of which included Moon on the drums in 1973. I've also listened to and watched many live recordings of Who shows. When you heard Pete say that Keith didn't always keep good time due to drinking or drugs, Pete was referring mainly to the latter part of Moon's 14 years with The Who. I cannot think of a single Who album where Moon's drumming wasn't spot on, can you? If you can, which albums and which songs are you referring to?

  • @mattguzda853

    @mattguzda853

    6 жыл бұрын

    4orrcountry dude im refering to an interview with pete where he said he hadda keep time cuz entwhistle and moon were going off. No i dont remember the specific interview but i remember pete saying that because i thought it was interesting and im a drummer so it stuck. Don't blame me im just saying what pete said

  • @surfing636
    @surfing6367 жыл бұрын

    Summertime Blues at the Monterey Pop Festival (1967) is another great example of Keith Moon's ability, energy, & showmanship. Enjoyed this video.

  • @williamhelms9942
    @williamhelms99423 жыл бұрын

    Keith's early influence was Big Band Era music, lessons he took was Big Band Era music influenced, and he played the backing of horn parts he imagined where he thought they should be in the music to open up the sound, and fill 30 other roster spots in the lineup of just he, and 3 other guys.

  • @keenanX1
    @keenanX12 жыл бұрын

    I would love to hear a little discussion on how Keith used his kick drum or drums. The Bargain is a fantastic example. As the song builds Keith seems to employ double bass techniques. But it's always in his own unique style. I would love a little explanation as to what he is doing here? It appears that he's doing triplet after triplet on the kick drums alone.

  • @YouzTube99
    @YouzTube997 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for a thoughtful, balanced commentary on Moon. In numerous interviews, Roger Daltrey said that when he joined the band it was like having "a jet engine behind us". One of my favorite performances was caught in this early vid of 'My Generation' while he was still in good physical condition. His playing is idiosyncratic, crisp and brilliant: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnWqzMh-cbnKops.html

  • @mirrortime
    @mirrortime6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the good info! Can you tell me where the part in Isle of Wight where Keith does the stick stuff? Thanks much :)

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    6 жыл бұрын

    You'd have to watch the entire show again. I dont know exactly where. The film captures Moon throwing the sticks out of his bag. Hysterically funny. The whole show is one of The Who's greatest performance EVER.

  • @loosilu

    @loosilu

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@drummersagainstitk It's actually Monterey, 1967, so he was 19 or so. The song is Substitute. It was part of the act every time they performed that song. During the bridge, he counted off four quarternotes by hurling sticks at the Tom. Then he was left with exactly two sticks to instantly hit the next note. By 1970 he wasn't doing it any more.

  • @almostideal1306
    @almostideal13066 жыл бұрын

    Moony was my first introduction and my first love of drummers

  • @jpmerrick8886
    @jpmerrick88863 жыл бұрын

    Amazing journey fills nuff said

  • @ShermanWilson
    @ShermanWilson7 жыл бұрын

    Well said. I always identified with Keith. I started playing drums as a child at about 8. By fourteen I started playing live professionally. Meaning getting paid. By fifteen I was in the studio. At sixteen I started doing session work. I am also self taught. My teachers were Peter Criss, John Bonham, Phil rudd, Jeff Percaro, etc. I wasn't concerned about technique until I was twenty two. It's a funny story. Suffice to say I finally found someone that completely pulled my foundation out from under me. I met Hector Gonzales i n Los Angeles in 1991. He started teaching me ghost notes, syncopation, independence, etc. He taught me something I never had before. Finesse. That's a great point of view.

  • @johnnymossville
    @johnnymossville7 жыл бұрын

    keith sounds kinda like krupa on steroids in a great live rock band. when he played he was living in the moment. pure performance art.

  • @RSTI191

    @RSTI191

    7 жыл бұрын

    Keith swiped a ton from Krupa..

  • @mitchtowse1170

    @mitchtowse1170

    7 жыл бұрын

    what did he swipe? charisma?

  • @misfit2022

    @misfit2022

    7 жыл бұрын

    John R. Peter Criss too. First solo I ever learned was 100,000 years.

  • @gagemoss1075

    @gagemoss1075

    7 жыл бұрын

    Me too..I had to buy a cowbell for that one part....

  • @ManoNegraCG

    @ManoNegraCG

    6 жыл бұрын

    Some call it "swiping", others call it "learning". And I have no issues with people learning from the best.

  • @mariazimmerman8948
    @mariazimmerman89484 жыл бұрын

    he was an amazing drummer.there will never be another like him..

  • @moonshinesmooth2940
    @moonshinesmooth29407 жыл бұрын

    Keith Moon was lead drummer for the who, with unbelievable timing and a fabulous ear and awesome hands. R.I.P Keith and John the best bass player I ever saw.

  • @mrbobevans

    @mrbobevans

    7 жыл бұрын

    What a band - John (best bass player) and Keith - (best drummer).

  • @FuckPedophileBiden
    @FuckPedophileBiden7 жыл бұрын

    Keith Moon was great because he was like water.

  • @gerrykay9489

    @gerrykay9489

    7 жыл бұрын

    Bruce Lee behind the kit !!

  • @Calenrod

    @Calenrod

    6 жыл бұрын

    Well put

  • @Calenrod

    @Calenrod

    6 жыл бұрын

    Dirt Farmer perfectly put

  • @alexcarter8807

    @alexcarter8807

    6 жыл бұрын

    Fish made love in him?

  • @gasparsalguero6242

    @gasparsalguero6242

    4 жыл бұрын

    WE NEED WATERRRR, GOOD GOOD WATAAA

  • @jimfritz9503
    @jimfritz9503 Жыл бұрын

    I saw The WHO with Keith 12 times 1967/75 . I have a stick story . We saw Joe Cocker/ Buddy Rich Orchestra/ The WHO in May 1969 , Chicago , on the 1st " Tommy" tour. On one song he bounced sticks off a Tom for maybe three minutes . My bass player was closer to him and he got 8 sticks that night. He gave me a pair that I still have. 🥁. Yes indeed , he had to be seen to be appreciated.

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    Жыл бұрын

    A very odd pairing of bands. Fantastic to hear. Thanks.

  • @Kshep84
    @Kshep844 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Man...313 more videos on my channel to see......

  • @NicksSkillz
    @NicksSkillz6 жыл бұрын

    Smarter than me. Great channel. Life long subscriber earned!

  • @mackum16
    @mackum167 жыл бұрын

    Quadrophenia, best Keith album.I was very fortunate to have had the chance to see 1 Who by numbers, Dec 1975I'll never forget it. Good video, I enjoyed it 👍

  • @brookebethel8915
    @brookebethel89156 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, sir! I grew up listening to The Who. I've followed the band since 1977 but never saw Keith play, sadly. Kenny Jones was an interim, timekeeper, for better or worse. Zack is awesome for Pete & Rog -- disciplined but a little crazy if needed. Seen 8 concerts since he took over -- pleased and impressed. Very big (actually small!😙) Shoes to fill from Keith but he's pretty good -- especially handling Quadrophenia.

  • @dailyflash
    @dailyflash6 жыл бұрын

    Moon played lead drums. I think he conveyed raw feeling better than any other drummer. He had fantastic intuition.

  • @matthewmaus
    @matthewmaus5 жыл бұрын

    Jeff Nichols, a writer on drums for, well, Ever, said once that John Bonham was the most imitated drummer, but Keith Moon was inimitable. Defo. I've been playing since I was 12 (1981) and first heard KM on My Generation. Changed my life. Not only that, but KM played with EVERY other instrument, like an orchestra leader. I learnt Soooo Much, xxx

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your comment. While Bonzo was imitatied by ROCK players, there were many others in diff styles..ex.Max Roach. Keith was all AUDIBLE instinct is the best way I can discribe it.

  • @zach3305
    @zach33056 жыл бұрын

    This is an amazing video. This guy gives you a point of view that you either have yourself right now... learned right now. Or will never have. This is what music is about. Im not saying the who. Im not saying moon. Im saying this guys input on the who and moon is what music is all about. This is a beautiful video.

  • @misterbracks
    @misterbracks7 жыл бұрын

    I'd have said on a personal choice, Live at Leeds when they play a medley during the long My Generation track of Sparks....still sounds f>

  • @yourmomsdaddy9130
    @yourmomsdaddy91302 жыл бұрын

    You nailed it bro, Keith was raw energy, he was a showman, and he inspired the Ox and Pete and Roger to write some of the greatest music ever. It's the greatest ever because the songs showcased the drummer. Writing songs with the drummer in mind, especially when that drummer is Keith Moon, you can't go wrong.

  • @williamleather500
    @williamleather5006 жыл бұрын

    I agree with you . . .good video

  • @wallygdg
    @wallygdg2 жыл бұрын

    Really well said....

  • @KlosekRBIsFuckingRetarded
    @KlosekRBIsFuckingRetarded Жыл бұрын

    I thought I was the only one who noticed the floor tom stick throwing , use that in some of my gigs lol

  • @BillysFingers
    @BillysFingers6 жыл бұрын

    I love this!... agree!

  • @hzilla5550
    @hzilla55506 жыл бұрын

    Keith Moon. One thing is for certain. There is no debate or discussion whether you can compare him, for better or for worse, to any other drummer. Period. In my opinion, Moon played like he didn't care about "proper" drum technique. His attitude was to play the drums to what the song needed, and no one else could have filled his shoes at that time when the Who was so powerful, especially with Daltry's voice, and Pete's song writing genius.Only Moon could have filled the bill. Thus, with the Who in the 60s and 70's it was an incredible alignment of the stars. Even Pete's softer voice (The Song Is Over from the Who's Next album) made Daltry's voice sound more magnificent. Although arguably Entwistle was a master bassist/technician and did write some songs, play French Horn etc., I think he was overshadowed by his bandmates. It is more than just energy that Moon had, he could direct it. Best analogy I can make is to Mike Tyson who had energy and strength and some skill, but he was an instinctive fighter. Even though he was not polished, he did one thing, he knocked out all of his opponents in his heyday. I do not think the Who would have been such a great band had they had some stuffy old "rock" drummer" in there. In the same way, it is inconceivable that Moon could have enjoyed the success he had with the Who with any other band. Moon had an innate sense of how much intensity and how many drums/and notes he had to hit with any given song. I would not call it technique. It was instinctual, and he sure made the drums sing. You always hear about "the lead guitarist" or the "lead vocalist" of the band. Moon had the title of "lead drummer," a title I would give to no other drummer.

  • @Scotttyist
    @Scotttyist6 жыл бұрын

    Good points well-made

  • 2 жыл бұрын

    Keith played melody. ❤️

  • @MickyGeeGee
    @MickyGeeGee7 жыл бұрын

    I REALLY want to see the video you talked about with Keith Moon throwing his sticks, but I can't seem to find it. Would you, or someone else put a link to that video please!!? I've always heard about the legendary "Keith Moon" and your video caught my eye. I'm no drummer but the guy is amazing!!

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    7 жыл бұрын

    On KZread The Who Isle of Wight Festival 1970. It should still be there.

  • @MickyGeeGee

    @MickyGeeGee

    7 жыл бұрын

    That's what I'm saying, I looked and could not find it.... if you could send me a link that would be great!

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    7 жыл бұрын

    YT may have taken it down. I can't find it now

  • @MickyGeeGee

    @MickyGeeGee

    7 жыл бұрын

    drummersagainstitk Rats

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    7 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4GHlpmwaMunips.html Here it is!

  • @Lowtech14
    @Lowtech143 жыл бұрын

    This vid sells Keith Moon short. He’s great not just bc he’s a great showman (I’d heard 1000 Who songs before ever seeing him perform). And it’s not just bc he has energy (lots of drummers have energy). It’s not bc he plays w heart (don’t a lot of drummers do this?). I’ve never touched a drum kit, but I got ears, and Keith Moon’s drumming makes me sit up and take notice more than any other drummer in the history of rock and roll, not even close.

  • @devingray7393
    @devingray73937 жыл бұрын

    I think you nail it.

  • @utubehound69
    @utubehound697 жыл бұрын

    I just realized why none of theDrum software sample systems have MIDI grooves like Mooney / Michell. that's what I understood Keith Moon is the Drummer I've always looked for , but I never was a WHO fan so I really missed out on his drumming till lately he GETS it the attempt to paint a picture of the music while being a solid drummer. I had one drummer that I could play with & it was like I knew what he would play & he would know what I would play next it was amazing we wrote a lot of songs w/that method.

  • @tommypwood672
    @tommypwood67211 ай бұрын

    Paradiddles...were awesomely in Amazing journey sparks come on 👨

  • @markswift1489
    @markswift14897 жыл бұрын

    great video! Have you done one on Ringo?

  • @drummersagainstitk

    @drummersagainstitk

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yes Ringo, Bonham, Paice, Ward AND Why "Isnt" Peter Criss Great.

  • @gavinparsons5150
    @gavinparsons51502 жыл бұрын

    Well said!

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