I have the world's worst back, and I love, love, love my sliding table saw. Blew the dust off of it and now I'm back using it with home made Fritz and Fran jigs.

@robertcornelius3514

2 жыл бұрын

8:56 Well, well, the next time I have a hot date over... Lol

@kuffyswoodwork

2 жыл бұрын

I've never tried using a Fritz n Franz jig. I'll add it to my long list of things to do 👍

@robertcornelius3514

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork , using a Fritz n Franz jig will cut down on that long list of things to do. Ha

Great video mate, good to see a saw like this in a blokes garage rather than a industrial workshop. I especially like the part around 9 1/2m in where you started shagging it haha

@kuffyswoodwork

10 күн бұрын

Lol, I thought it was appropriate to demonstrate exactly how much I love it. 😁

Very well explained reasons for the advantages over a table saw. Thanks for sharing with us.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching mate. 👍

Great information. Delivered in a very entertaining manner as well. Thank you!

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! 👍

Well done explanation, Kuffy, thanks.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve 👍

Thanks for choosing our panel saw.

Thanks for showing your saw I found it very interesting.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate.

Loved your presentation as usual Kuffy! I especially liked your views on the SawStop, which I agree with 100%, If I was buying another saw this one would be at the top of my list.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Apart from the reason "I don't have room", everyone that comes to my workshop always says they wish they had a panel saw instead of their table saws.

after all the trials and tribulations of dealing with breaking down 4 x8 sheets...including turning down work 'cause I just don't want to have to deal with 45kg sheets of melamine....never used a slider so this got me over hesitation...oh, I will need a bigger shop...Great vid!

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Heh nice, you bought a slider? I had to break down some sheets on site a few months ago. It's a MASSIVE pain in the butt working down on the ground. It took an age to cut up one sheet

this was hilarious and also really helpful, thanks!

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate

Thanks for a great review of your sliding table saw- much appreciated as I am currently looking to buy one to replace my 20 year old Delta Unisaw. You made some excellent points and I am leaning very much toward the sliding vs. the traditional cabinet saw. Well done!

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I don't think I could ever seriously look at buying a traditional cabinet saw anymore. They are good for ripping boards. but cross cutting just seems like a lot of effort

Thanks for the brilliant demo 😀 👏 👍

@kuffyswoodwork

Жыл бұрын

No problem 👍

Very Informative--Thanks for sharing your knowledge!! In regards to the sawstop. All in all it's not a bad table saw.The Powermatic is much more accurate, I do however wish it had the sawstop safety feature on it. It has saved many employees fingers over the past few years, but you can still get your finger. Take it from me as I have done it. When it happened I called Sawstop directly and asked how this could happen. They asked me how fast I was cutting. I informed them that I've been cutting hi-production orders on table saws everyday for over 38 years,so that's how fast I was cutting. Their response was; you need to slow down as it can't register fast enough to fully work properly. I guess they failed to mention that in the brochure. Always remember the table saw is the most powerful machine in the shop!!

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

I've seen the hotdog demonstrations for the sawstop. They generally push it in fairly fast, and it only kisses the hotdog. But as J said in this video, if I felt I needed the sawstop technology on my saw, I just wouldn't use it at all.

@andybrook-dobson726

3 жыл бұрын

The Table saw could be the most powerful machine in the shop, but not to forget the jointer and particularly the spindle moulder if you have one!

Thanks for sharing with us Kuffy. I too am a panel saw user. I ummed and ahhed quite a bit before buying a panel saw for my own workshop... and I love it. The main drawback, I find, is in working with small stuff, but that's mainly a matter of appropriate work practices and perhaps some zero clearance jigs.

@drmkiwi

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean Fritz and Franz jig for holding small pieces on the sliding table? After I discovered this jig it has been so much better handling and cutting very small pieces of timber incredibly accurately. Cheers, David

@djeity

4 жыл бұрын

@@drmkiwi Yes, that too, but also I've been looking at using a zero clearance throat overlay, perhaps made from hardboard (masonite) since replacing the throat plates in these things is such a royal PITA.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah the small stuff is a pain in the butt. My saw blade has about 3-5mm clear either side of it, so thin strips fall down between blade and slider/throatplate. I don't care much about it, it happens and I just pull the strips out. It's more of an issue when cutting 45° miters, because the offcut gets jammed between blade and slider and then pings across the room. The problem with this is that it also deflects the blade and takes a chunk out of my workpiece. So I need to hog away the waste and turn it all into saw dust.

Thanks for the video cleared up all my questions

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

No worries, thanks for watching 👍

Thanks for the video. I would love one of these. There is another huge advantage compared to table saws (including sawstop): You are not standing behind the blade so you are essentially protected from injuries related to kickback. That is a big safety advantage. I would be interested in a comparison with table saws that have a sliding table though. You can get that from sawstop and many other manufactures. I still think a sliding panel saw is the better choice but a lot of the differences are not relevant anymore,.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think I would ever be interested in getting a sliding attachment for a table saw. It's definitely an upgrade from just a table saw, but many of them would struggle to safely support a 8x4' sheet.

“Forgot to close the blade cover “ 🤣😂🤣 the bloke that works for me does it every bloody time 🤣😂

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Hehehehe 😂😂😂

Great video mate, thanks for helping me decide to get a panel saw

@kuffyswoodwork

6 ай бұрын

You're welcome. I don't think I could ever go back to using a table saw.

Awesome saw Kuffy!

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate. I do like it a lot 👍

Horses for courses Cobber, I’d love this beauty but your way more accomplished Woodworker than I so I’m happy as Larry with my wee machines 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

I've never really been happy with my tools and machinery, or the tools and machinery of my bosses. There is always something bigger, better, faster, simpler, easier and I wants it. Luckily I have no room for what I want, otherwise my mortgage would be 10 times more than the value of my house, and 100 times more than I can afford 😂😂😂

Great video Kuffy, well explained and very reasoned explanation at that. I love watching you use that thing and the precision you achieve. Do you have a dato stack to go on it? I think Joey over the ditch got one for his, but if i recall a series one Shopstool podcast where he talked about it it wasn't all plain sailing.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, I don't have a dado stack for my saw. The saw arbor is quite short, not really designed for a dado stack. I could do something which is ill-advised, but I don't really need a dado stack and when I do I will only save about 10 minutes total for a complete job.

Brilliant! Straight to all the relevant points - no messing about! Love the Sawstop comments...my only issue, and the reason I bought a site saw, is that your table saw is bigger than my garage :-(

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, I made some pretty careful measurements to make sure it fit in my garage. Happy day's as soon as I found that I had a spare 150mm/6" 🤣🤣🤣

Great advice. I wish I had the space.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. I wish I had the space too. At the moment, I bump my hips into the slider about 10 times each week as I walk past it! 😂👍

Agree with everything except saying that taking care is enough, accidents can happen to any of us due to a one off distraction or loss of concentration. I can’t afford a format4, but its good to see that it is coming to panel saws and it looks better than the saw stop (non-destructive and non-contact).

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Taking care is not enough. It should be, but you can't always take care because of random events like passing out for whatever reason (heart attack). It would be great to have the tech installed in the machine at a time like that, before I face plant the saw!

As someone who's thinking of getting a saw one day this is actually making me think twice about the sawstop I wanted. It seems more natural to cut on one of these

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Both have their pros and cons, and in fact, a table saw probably does "more". But what a panel saw does, it does so well. I would like to have a left tilting table saw in the garage which can take a dado stack as well as my panel saw, but if I could only have one, then it would be the panel saw.

I love offcut city in some of the shots :) Sliding Panel Saws: Good for hula hoop world championship training!

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Hehe. I keep looking at offcut city. I need to do something with it but I can't be bothered, but I don't want to throw it out....and then if I do something with it, what the hell am I gonna use it for.....hmm, wall art! Good idea Paul, cheers mate 👍😂😂😂

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4 жыл бұрын

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Thanks for a very helpful vid

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

No problem!👍

nice points presented about the panel saw over the sawstop as i too have came to the same conclusion. and as owner of two 10ft sliders..2 more items you could add to complement the extra functions and safety of such a saw. 1. fritz and franz sliding jig 2. Holddown clamp that sits in the miter slots

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

I do have a holddown clamp for my saw, but I stripped the threads off it by using too much clamping pressure. I'll need to purchase a new one, or make one. I have seen the Fritz and Franz jig. I don't think it will be that beneficial to me. I'm pretty comfortable with how I operate the saw.

Good review for those who never used a panel saw. This is a nice bit of kit, but a lot of money and takes up a lot of room. However, for cabinet/kitchen makers it is a must, as the scouring blade puts a clean cut on both side of melamine or formica panels. You did not mention the scouring blade at all. My crosscut sled is four years old and not even the runners had to be replaced.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

My saw does have a scoring blade, but I don't use it for solid timber. It doesn't matter if I get light breakout on solid timber. And when working with veneered panels, I usually only need one face to be perfect. If I need both faces to be perfect, I just cut the small quantitys I need with a 3mm packing sheet directly beneath the veneered panels to stop breakout on the underside.

@IrishChippy

4 жыл бұрын

Haha. I already saw that it had, I was just saying that you did not mention it in the review 😊Yes one can use a sacrificial piece on the bottom, but if you were cutting a lot of panels, the scouring blade is superb.

My woodwork club has a Sawstop and Felder panel saw and I take the Felder every time I can. I actually feel safer using the Felder than the Sawstop and I would take one of these over Sawstop too. Panel saws are just inherently safer. But the truth is I don’t actually like any table saws very much and I will probably stick with a track saw. And I totally agree about using whole body movements with this kind of saw. That’s the beauty of it. And IMHO, it’s those whole body movements that limit the likelihood of an accident. When I see idiots on KZread using table saws with no blade guard - or worse, no riving knife - I just shudder. If you comment on it they just say, ‘You do it your way’. But it’s the example they’re setting for new woodworkers that worries me. The only disadvantage, aside from the space it takes up, is the price. This one is reasonable at $9,500 (March 2024). A Felder costs three or four times that much. But a top of the line Sawstop is over $9,000.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 ай бұрын

You nailed it perfectly. One of the big reasons why sliders are much safer than table saws is because your hands aren't moving to or away from your body to make the cut. They are locked in one position and your entire moves to make the cut.

great overview, just upgraded to a "small" slider and on your points, I have already made a list of gear I can unload..... track saw, big 12" miter saw and stand, and maybe even my 600mm bandsaw.. being able to cut 250mm deep in one pass is good, just wish it had a sliding table.... cheers :-)

@kuffyswoodwork

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome upgrade mate. A panel saw sure does make a few other tools mostly redundant.

Merci beaucoup pour cette belle vidéo

Very good video thank you, this could be a great alternative to usual brands. Just wanted to ask, how long do you have it and how is the precission and squareness on it?

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

I've owned this saw for about 5 years. It cuts straight. The squareness is dictated by the setup of the crosscut fence. Providing the fence is set square, it will cut very accurately 👌👍

@bluewanderer9903

3 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork Just seen your post on one of the forums (or maybe that was someone else) that explains everything, very helpfull, seems like great saw for the money. Thank you

Hi Kuffy enjoyed the walk through on your panel saw. The saw has a good specification for a Chinese made one. The squeak when you moved the rip fence, is there a height adjustable roller inside the casting to raise it clear so it doesn't drag. I really enjoyed your comparison with the other make, brilliant I agree exactly. Just sub'd .Tony

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure where the squeak is coming from. There is a roller under the fence, and everything seems to clear. It started happening one day after spraying polyurethane inside the workshop. Probably needs a good clean

Yes, that did get a bit creepy - hopefully the internet won't go crazy about you "doing this all day" :) Great reasoning. I've previously thought the SawStop was the ultimate goal but have thought differently for a while, good to hear more points to reinforce that

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Luckily not enough people watch my videos for the internet to go crazy about anything I do. I think in reality, the ultimate goal isn't a single machine, but a range of machines. Each of which that does one thing REALLY good.

Great vid mate , how long did it take to assemble and true up , it looks complicated did you get any help

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

It was already assembled as it was a showroom model. There isn't much to assemble if it came straight out of a packing crate. It doesn't take me long to true up the slider and then square up the crosscut fence, maybe 10mins. No help needed 👍

good to see an Aussie making some wood working videos. where abouts do you get all your exotic timbers from? you seem to have a lot, i'm having a hard time finding a place here in Brisbane

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

I'm down in Melbourne. Rarely do I use exotic timbers. White Ash and White Oak or US Walnut is about as exotic as it gets around here. I get most of my timbers from Britton's Timber and every now and then I will visit a small independent saw Miller to see what he has.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Great review mate!! Can't afford one of these buggers, but I think I can make some similar feature extensions for a table saw.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. All we can do is make the best of what we have.

Having recently landed in NZ and in the process setting up my cabinet shop to produce Euro style cabinets it seems to me that a slider is much better choice than a typical cabinet saw. In particular since most come with scoring blade. That aside what I hesitate to give up is the ability to saw through dados' and I haven't found a slider so far that accepts a dado. If I go the other way with a cabinet saw and sliding cross cut table I get the option of a dado capable saw but the scoring blade is eliminated. And since 99.5 % of all the cabs I would produce incorporate some amount of Melamine and never having found a main cutting blade alone capable of being 100% chip free that argues for a typical slider with scribing blade. Plowing dados on a router even a 2000 watt unit is slow, and often leaves a wandering depth in my experience unless I had a power feed which I don't anymore. I guess my questions is how do you compensate for the lack of dadoing capability. Or is that a factor in your work flow? I don't want to invest in a spindle molder just for dadoing but it seems to me it is the best work a-rounds for a small commercial shop were machine time equals money. I suppose I could have a dedicated cabinet saw for dadoing but that just seems silly. You thoughts if you are so inclined to comment thanks.

@kuffyswoodwork

2 жыл бұрын

There isn't much dado'ing in euro cabinet work. It's all butt jointed together with some screws. For all of the cabinet work I have done, I've really only wanted a dado stack when I am cutting tenons on solid timber furniture components. A spindle moulder would be great to apply a rebate to the back edges of the sides, faster than a dado stack too.

Best argument for SawStop: school woodshop classes. Best solution for sawstop vs sliding panel? Get both.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

True on both counts 👍

These types of table saws seem to be far superior to regular table saws. Better precision than what a "normal" table saw offers. Let alone the extra support for cutting sheets of plywood, planks, or any other types of material by yourself safely.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, exactly. After years of using these types of sliders in professional industry, I didn't really consider purchasing a regular table saw for my home workshop.

nice explanations. One thing you don't have mentioned, perhaps I missed it, is that the sliding wagon works for you! Once you have put the panel on the wagon, it's done, and you can do your work easily without lifting the panel, sometimes 50 or 60kg... And when you push the wagon, the effort is absolutely nothing compare to a standard table saw. The harder is to put the panel on the wagon, but it's the same bad thing on a table saw or a sliding saw... :( I own a SCM SC4E since 4 months, with a 3200mm wagon, and it changed my life ;)

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is very true. The hardest part about cutting a sheet of MDF is putting the sheet on the sliding wagon. After that, it's easy to move around.

I stumbled across your video while researching these Chinese panel saws and am hoping you can help answer some questions (not alot of information on these saw unfortunately. There are dozens if not hundreds of models to choose from. How did you go about deciding on this model? Did you go through an importer or did you buy direct from China (through Alibaba or similar). Any complaints about the quality of the Chinese stuff? This is a Euro style saw and they charge WAY more for their models than the chinese versions (Felder, SCM, etc), so I am curious where the cost cutting happens. Did they skimp on anything that could be important? How is support if something goes wrong (electronic lift, controls, etc..). Cool video. Thanks for the thorough explanation.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Joshua, I bought my machine through a machinery dealer. They had one currently in stock, so I got that one, and that also decided why I got this model. I haven't required any support if something goes wrong for the ~5 years I have had the saw. I see the euro branded panel saws, and they seem to be made in the same chinese factory. I would suspect much of the changes are merely cosmetic, except for things like larger motors, electric rise/fall/tilt, powered rip fence etc. My saw is all manual, no electronic gizmos to go wrong. The biggest issue with my saw is it only has a 4" dust port. It would have been better to be 5", or better yet, to be 6". It's not an easy task to increase the size of the dust port as I need to cut away 1/2" - 5/8" thick steel, and it is in an awkward position. It's a pretty good saw for what I use it for in my semi-professional home workshop. I wouldn't want it in a full production workshop (Altendorf F45 gets my vote for that)

Is it easy to cut a long (2500mm) narrow (150mm or less) board into two boards with same length (2500), with 75mm width each other? With the classic table saw it's easy

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. It's done the exact same way as with a table saw. Set the rip fence to width, then rip the board down the centre.

Panel saw all the way. I love the versatility of them. About the pro’s and beginners cross cutting wrong because they don’t move the fence I have to disagree on. Depends how many cross cuts your doing and how sharp your blade is. If your blade is sharp there’s not much force needed to keep your work piece from moving. And if your only doing one small cross cut it’s not worth moving the fence from the front to back. Takes to long and you could lose accuracy if not positioned properly to the stops. Love the video and I’m so jealous of the saw, it’s bigger and better than the one we have at work, I would love to have it there to use on a daily basis. All the best buddy.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. On a older Altendorf F45 panel saw I used to work with, it was a 20sec task to move the crosscut fence from the front to the back or vice versa. It was a really great system they used, and it retained accuracy with each move. My chinese built saw is quite a pain in the butt to shift the fence, and it can easily take 3-4 minutes.

@JAJohnsIP

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork at least 80 percent of the sliding part of this saw is behind the crosscut fence. Why would you suggest that pushing the panels forward against the fence is a beginner error. If pushing from the fence was the proper way to use this tool, the fence would have been built at the rear of the slider. How TF are you going to rip an 8 foot sheet without being an amateur?

@kuffyswoodwork

2 жыл бұрын

I wasn't talking about cutting up sheets with the crosscut fence behind the work. That would be crazy. But when docking lengths of solid timber, it's much better to have the crosscut fence behind the workpiece.

@JAJohnsIP

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork You could maybe use a Miter saw for that?

@kuffyswoodwork

2 жыл бұрын

I answered that in the video. I don't have a miter saw. They take up too much space. Miter saws aren't even almost as accurate as a panel saw.

9:31 oh yeah baby!!

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Lol ;D

Good stuff. I'm hoping to buy a panel saw. Would be great if you do a short vid on cutting full size boards.

@kuffyswoodwork

2 жыл бұрын

I'll try to make a quick video the next time I am cutting up a sheet. It's pretty rare that I work with full sized sheets, as I normally build with solid timber.

Mate. That was a fantastic overview ! Thanks heaps. Cheers

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks for watching 👍

Well explained Kuffy. I would also never change my SCM minimax over a Sawstop.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

For sure, panel saw over a fancy table saw everytime 👍

I worked briefly at a large wood working company and they had 2-3 SawStop models. Other than the safe finger element, the SawStop is an antique machine and not that good at that. The guard is a bother; and, you are left with a simple limited size table saw design of 40 years ago. The little short table to the right of the slider looks like a topographic of NYCity. I like your logic in choosing the sliding table. If you have enough cubic feet of vacuum with that overhead blade guard, you can lift it high and remove dust and still see what you are doing. Thanks

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

The overhead hood guard doesn't have much air volume passing through it. For the purposes of dust collection, it is best to have the guard lowered as close as practicable to the work piece. But more often than not, I have the guard up high in the air so it is out of my way.

Well done and very interesting to one considering a slider. As shown around 9:30, it's always best if you can feed the work by putting your ass into it. Is the saw's internal baffling good enough so that little cyclone under the table able to capture most of the dust? WelI done. I've subscribed. Thanks.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

The dust extraction is the worst thing about the machine. My machine is only fitted with a 4" port. I would have preferred a 6" port. I can retrofit one, but it means carving a lot of 1/2" thick cast iron away to make room for it. On all panel saws I have used, they all suffer from the same problems. Dust collects on the ground beneath the saw. I just leave a piece of cardboard under the saw, and every now and then, pull it out and clear away the debris.

How to use this machine as cabinet table saw, while the sliding table is usually adjusted not flush with cast iron table, but it is usually adjusted higher?

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

The majority of cuts are made on top of the slider. So it doesn't matter if the slider is higher than the cast iron table. Sometimes it matters, but it is very rare

Hi Kuffy, It has been 3 years since you made this video, and I just came across it. I wanted to ask you how reliable has the machine been since then? I am looking to buy exactly the same panel saw, in fact, I have been to the warehouse today and it is now selling for a bit over 11k including delivery and assembly :( Have you got single or three phase? if Single phase, do you reckon it is powerful enough to tackle a 8 hour cutting job (one or 2 days a week only) of 16mm particle board and 18mm MDF? I would appreciate your feedback a lot.

@kuffyswoodwork

Жыл бұрын

I have the single phase version with the 3hp main motor and a 1/2hp scribing blade motor. I primarily work with solid hardwoods, therefore the motor is a little bit lightweight for the work I ask of it. Cutting MDF or particleboard is easy because it's always thin. The motor will begin to labour and stall if I push it too hard while cutting full height hardwoods. The machine has given me no problems from purchase. If money wasn't an issue, I would buy the Altendorf F45 as they are great machines. Money is an issue for me though, so I bought the cheapest 😀

@RicardoRamirez-lj6nq

Жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork Thank you so much for your feedback, Kuffy. You have helped me make up my mind. Very happy to know the machine hasn't given you any problems in 3 years.

i got my saw i find it low 32.5 inches high how high is yours my old delta is 34.5 inches

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Mine is 34.5"

I am back again, can anyone tells me how to get this machine power up.

@piotrcackowski1249

3 жыл бұрын

You burn coil

Good Stuff Kuffy, You make a good argument for... With all the other stuff I have in my Workshop, I definitely don't have the real estate for such a big saw. I did around last Christmas, having seen how you work, did invest in an 'Add on', to my table saw in the form of a 500mm sliding table. It has a reach of about 1.8mts so not a full sheet, so the track saw still gets used, but I do enjoy the benefit. Now, I just need to convince you to get a Domino... Boy would you productivity increase LOL. Just for interest, I looked up the price of your saw on HAFCO. $9295. I definitely can't afford that.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Leda Machinery have the Prima 2500 listed at $6700 +gst. A lot of people add on a sliding attachment to their table saws. It is a very good attachment to have imo. I very rarely use the 2500mm travel of my slider. I pretty much just head cut a MDF sheet first and then make the first rip at about 1800mm long. Saves me having to put the crosscut fence up to the front of the outrigger. The dominos will cost me $4000! I need both because I'm greedy 😂👍😂😂

@cobberpete1

4 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork But there is a fancy bit converter that you put on the 700 so you can then cut down to the 4mm. so only $1600 Happy days :)

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

@@cobberpete1 I'm pretty sure the adapter has some limiting problem. Nothing I couldn't work around, but if I am spending 1600bux, I may as well just spend 4k. Don't wanna be caught short

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4 жыл бұрын

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You know any answers given are just incubators for more questions right? Does it have a tape or something on the outrigger to set cut size? How do the flip down stops work (how does the mechanism work & lock). Possibility for DRO for that? And for blade hight? What size arbor? (just curious). How many teeth and why? The back & forth motion you were doing on your saw... why exactly did you describe that as "creepy"? What size motor and is there a scoring blade or possibly for adding one on. Any good tv series you recommend at the moment... Have you seen Chernobyl? That was fantastic! Looking forward to season 3 of Ozarks, and season 4 of Stranger Things!

@drmkiwi

4 жыл бұрын

Yes totally agree Rob, Season 3 of Ozark can't come quickly enough! (When I last looked it was about 6 months away) Cheers, David

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Umm, I think the answers are Yes, but I'll try and do better. There is a tape on the outrigger to set the stops. The flip down stops simply flip down, I think the mechanism is just a tee bolt in a tee track. I could add a DRO, but I never will. It's a 30mm arbor. I use 72 ATB teeth blades for MDF?melamine and solid timber crosscutting. 72 teeth because they work good enough without becoming super expensive. I think my ripping blades are 40 tooth flat tooth grind. The back and forth motion seemed creepy because I thought it may look like I was REALLY enjoying my panel saw 😂 The main saw blade is driven by a 3hp motor (it's too small, but pretty much max for single phase), and the scribing motor is 0.5hp which is fine. There is scoring blade, but I don't use it so I didn't speak of it. I think I've used a scoring blade about 5 times in 20 years because I rarely work with laminates or melamine (cheaper to buy that garbage). A TV series that you must watch is The Last Kingdom. There is 3 seasons out at the moment, and I am pretty sure they are making a fourth. It's cool! I also watched Hanna on amazon prime, that was pretty good.

@TakamiWoodshop

4 жыл бұрын

I'll check it out 👍 thanks for answers, I love knowing things.

@frenchriversprings

4 жыл бұрын

Creepy because he looked like he was having sexual intercourse with his Saw.

@tonywillis6809

4 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork Good reply :-)

Now I want one.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

I'll sell ya mine for cheep! Retail + 25% = cheep 😂

@BuiltByChris

4 жыл бұрын

Gee, for that price, I’ll take two!! 🤨😉😊🤣

@sumosprojects

4 жыл бұрын

Built By Chris Settle Chris, just settle mate 😮😁

@BuiltByChris

4 жыл бұрын

One of them was gonna be for you mate. 😉🤨

@qingdaososnmachineryco.ltd5917

4 жыл бұрын

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If I had unlimited shop space, and a unlimited budget. I would use a sliding panel saw, as well. I used a Rockwell sliding panel saw a long time ago. It is the safest way to cut sheet goods.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

If I had unlimited budget and space, I would occasionally use my panel saw when I'm not using the industrial CNC router or beam saw. We can only dream 😜

I have a sliding table saw but different brand and I'm happy with it to a point when your ripping timber along the fence and part of the timber sits on top of the sliding table you don't get a 90o cut and you have to do 2 cuts so that's the only thing I find bad about a sliding table saw

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that sucks. Often it is not an issue for me because I finish the edges on the jointer and thicknesser. But when using the panel saw to make tapered legs, I need to remove the bulk waste on the bandsaw first so that the leg only rests upon the ripping table and not the slider.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

@@RazaXML no, the top surface of the slider isn't level with the table. The slider is set 0.2mm higher than the table. So when ripping timber, you don't get a truly square rip. It doesn't affect me because I square my timber on a jointer

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

It works better when cutting sheetgoods with slider set slightly higher. It's really not much of a problem. It affects me maybe twice a year, and each time it costs me 20 seconds. No big deal really

The most erotic woodworking video you'll watch last year 🤣 I am impressed and mildly disturbed.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha 😂🤣😂🤣😂

@qingdaososnmachineryco.ltd5917

4 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork hi

Kuffy, you should explain to the poor non-slider users what a "straight line rip" is and why it's such a wonderful thing. :)

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Hehe. I actually very rarely straight line rip on the saw. I do it for MDF panels of course, but I find it is quicker to straighten boards on the jointer and I get a cleaner cut without tearing away the bottom edge of the board than when using the saw. I figured people would understand straight line ripping, because it's the same thing as a track saw. I do have a problem of thinking that everything is so basic and everyone must know it, which is why I'd make such a bad teacher 😂

@djeity

4 жыл бұрын

True, I don't do it that much either, but it lets you control the average direction of the cut better than a jointer and it is situations like that where a jointer might give a different angle than I want that I get out the shoe and some wedges and do a straight line rip.

@aristo188

4 жыл бұрын

@@djeity i use the straight line rip when jointing white oak boards to make table tops. the rip does 90% of the work, then i run it thro my segmented head 6inch jointer. i dont have to press so hard on to the jointer outfeed bed to make laser straight joints as most material has already been removed by the sliding panel saw.

@tundrawhisperer4821

4 жыл бұрын

arist Tk BINGO, that’s exactly why this saw, with its straight ripping ability, saves you a ton of time when milling rough stock. Lot less time and physical effort at the jointer. I’m looking at Felder S700K, but two others are still in the running, Altendorf and SCM

I prefer fine control over moving blade

Have you figured out how accurate the saw is to “true up” or square a sheet of plywood? I never trust a factory edge on my plywood sheet goods, so I would straight line rip the very edge of an 8’ side of the plywood flip it 90 degrees and then cross cut it. I’d like to see how square you could get the sheet. Thx

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

The saw when setup correctly will square up a sheet quite easily and accurately. I am with you on not trusting factory edges. Rarely is the sheet "square" from factory, and it's not uncommon that single edges aren't even straight. Providing the slider runs true and straight, it's simply a matter of making sure the outrigger crosscut fence is set square to the slider. Then everything comes off the saw nice and square. Most of my cuts are with solid timber and therefore mostly 8" or shorter. If my saw is set to be within +/-1/32" of square over a 8x4' sheet, then my 200mm cuts are pretty accurate.

@tundrawhisperer4821

4 жыл бұрын

Kuffys Woodwork have you ever taken the time to test it out? Just wondering if it’s not to hard to get it dialed in. Within a 1/32 on a full sheet would be great. I cut up plywood for my projects 50% of the time, so it would need to accurate for me. I would also love to straight line rip my rough cut hardwoods to save me some time at the jointer, which at that point, the jointer will be for just cleaning up the edges. Thx

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've tested it out. I continually test it as I go because it's possible to knock things out of square. It is very easy to square up again.

Hi, I need your help. I just purchased a minimax CU 300 classic to start my woodworking hobby. This machine cost me over $15,000.00 to get it my garage.After the company got my money, they ignored all my calls , and now I am helpless getting this machine set up. It has been 2 months now. I was wonder if you have any knowledge , or anyone in this forum that can help me get this machine up and running. all suggestions are greatly appreciated.

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear about the troubles you are having. Poor customer service really is an irritating thing, especially after they have your money. Do you have power supplied to the machine? Or is the machine still on the shipping crate and wrapped in stretch wrap?

@qingdaososnmachineryco.ltd5917

4 жыл бұрын

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But what if you wanted to put your finger between the riving knife and the blade?

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Well, if that's what you wanted to do, then you would need to move the riving knife away from the blade enough to allow your finger to fit. Though it may be a difficult task to do while strapped in a straight jacket 😜

@tonywillis6809

4 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork I don't often laugh out loud but I did when reading this comment :-)

Pretty good looking machine and great video thanks, but please don't get in the habit of putting your hands in around the blade with the power on to the machine, very small chance of it powering up but the risk is there, keep up the good work, look forward to more vids

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate. As a general rule, I don't touch the blade while power is supplied to the machine. There is a isolation switch (not an emergency stop) down at my knees which is easily flicked on or off.

Why it doesnt have a scoring saw blade?

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

It does have a scoring blade. I normally work with solid timber and have no need to use the scoring blade.

that comic sans font doe

I have a hand saw and two hands still...;-p

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

I too have a hand saw, but it's rusty and therefore no good 😂😂😂👍

You can also take out the cost of a jointer

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

A panel saw certainly is pretty good at edge jointing boards, though sometimes it has a tendency to chip out the bottom edge. I still need a jointer for the work I do so I can flatten boards. It can be done in a thicknesser, but a jointer does it better and faster

How much $?

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

approximately $7000 AUD

SAWSTOP,,,umm I like the magnetic version which is out now on other machines,,,they drop down like the sawstop version but one great benefit,,,,,you dont need to replace the blade and parts every time it happens, ie saving of $300 each time...A super electric magnetic pulls the blade down and then raises back up when you press the reset switch..they be out there soon on all machines...better invention, however you hope you never need to use it.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I've seen the other ones from Bosch. Looks pretty good 👍

9:30 LOL

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Hehe, what's life without a bit of fun? 😂

Just figured I'd make it 200 comments....

Because they are just better. Worth the high price. Or a track saw

@kuffyswoodwork

10 ай бұрын

Bingo!

9:29 😂😂😂

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

haha :D

Wow... 3" max cut from a 12" blade ?? Where'd the other couple inches go ?? 🙄😭

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a disappointment. The saw is designed for sheet goods, so 3" is plenty. But they could have done better.

@rafiutaoheed6516

3 жыл бұрын

It looks like 10" blade

prace Po sir

sure, when money is no object.......

@kuffyswoodwork

Ай бұрын

Money was an object. That's why I bought the cheapest on the market at the time.

So? for a Chinese import your satisficed. I am about to pull the trigger on such a purchase.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I am satisfied with this panel saw for my home workshop. I would want something bigger for a professional workshop.

@magicman9486

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork Update. I bought the saw. Ship about to dock. Floods in BC (Canada) will probably delay arrival to January. So purchase to in my shop 4.5 months. looking forward to it. Might make a video of unpacking and setup.

@kuffyswoodwork

2 жыл бұрын

@@magicman9486 Awesome. Hopefully it is exactly what you need.

For a moment I am thinking that "power action" was a dirty joke....

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, no dirty jokes around here. I keep it clean and family friendly.....most of the time ;P

title needs fixing, this is not a panel saw. this is a sliding table saw. big difference.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

A sliding table saw is just a table saw with a slider attached to the side of the table. The slider is approximately 300mm away from the blade. A panel saw has the slider right next to the blade, just like my saw. There are other saws which are described as a panel saw, such ad a vertical wall saw or a beam saw.

Why don't you use, or talk about the scoring blade? That's a primary and unique benefit of a sliding table saw. You don't even have a scoring blade installed.

@kuffyswoodwork

2 жыл бұрын

I primarily work with solid timber, so I don't need the scoring blade. I only use the scoring blade when I need both the top and bottom edge to be perfect, such as when working with veneered boards or melamine boards. Having the scoring blade cutting solid timber dulls the scoring blade and increases the time it takes to make each cut, and it gives me zero benefits.

@billr3654

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuffyswoodwork Thanks for the reply. That makes sense.

You think you bought from Australia, actually they bought from me! Yes made in China

@kuffyswoodwork

4 жыл бұрын

I bought from an Australian reseller of a machine built in China. Chinese equipment is getting better and better now. I have no complaints.

They dont last very long 😡

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

what doesn't last long? The saw?

@fellsrenovations

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah i have the 3200. Its a piece of shit. New saw coming soon

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

@@fellsrenovations ah damn, I've been happy enough with my saw. I'd upgrade to an Altendorf F45 in no time flat if my shop space increased in size dramatically

@fellsrenovations

3 жыл бұрын

I believe that who ever installed it didn’t do a great job at all . So now the saw is all over the shop. Only had it for three years. I have upgraded to a fully automatic one. Glad it worked for you mate. It just always goes off square. And rip fence gets stuck all the time I have had enough . I need it to work on a regular basis cos i make loads of cabinets. Last week i kicked the shit out of it and traded it in.

@kuffyswoodwork

3 жыл бұрын

@@fellsrenovations oh yeah, my rip fence gets stuck. I have to keep the round bar very clean with WD40 and that seems to work. I hope your next saw works out better for you.