Tearing down an engine, & showing how it works & actually does work is a tremendous source of information. Gotta give this dude an "A" for this presentation & hope he keeps doing the same in subsequent videos. Great job!!

@patch6476

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, well done A++ if that's his wife's impact gun?

@fffwe3876

11 ай бұрын

12 rule for life. NO1 dont buy KIA No2 dont buy hyundai

@dannybryant6873

7 ай бұрын

My advice. If you buy European or Korean cars. Don't keep them past warranty.

@miatpa

4 ай бұрын

Might have been a good video if the guy spoke slower. Hard to understand.

I've watched two of your videos and you do a good job. I've been a mechanic for 45 years, you do a nice job of explaining without complicating. Engines are not high tech, the engine control is, but the basics are still there...as you showed us here. I'm stunned a modern manufacturer is letting this kinda stuff go out!! Imagine if this was happening to a Toyota? They would be all over it, FAST! This makes Hyundai look really bad. This is basic, engine 101 stuff that a manufacturer should have figured out decades ago. Nice work. Simple and effective.

@marcopineda2249

Жыл бұрын

Hyundai is fixing the motors. Warranty on all of these engines. And Hyundai/Kia has only been around for less than 35 years which is about only 1/2 of most manufacturers.

@reidy19841984

Жыл бұрын

What's your thoughts while engine in still in car: Drop sump, drop big end caps, flush, replace bearings, install magnets in sump?

@gregnixon1296

Жыл бұрын

I believe the engineers know what they are doing at Hyundai. Some other department must be choosing not to follow their recommendations.

@ih302

4 ай бұрын

Don't kid yourself, Toyota is just as guilty.. they all are. Do you remember the 3.5 v6 engine oil cooler hose fiasco? I sure do.. one of said oil hoses burst on our 2008 Sienna leaving my wife and two small kids stranded in a sketchy part of town with the contents of the base pan dumped all over the street.

@larrydrozd2740

4 ай бұрын

@@ih302 Don't forget the "low tension" piston ring debacle too. But...that said, they will chase after this stuff, it eventually goes away. Others....not do much.

Interesting. 18 months ago my 2013 Hyundai Santa Fe seized after just 100,000 km. The local Hyundai dealer quoted me NZ$11,000 for a new engine, but when I pushed back they replaced it at no cost. Annoying to think they knew all about how prone these engines are and how they tried to make me pay. Great vid - many thanks...

@reckherdkek5685

Жыл бұрын

It's definitely not just a US problem, they've done a quiet recall here... Luckily for them most in AU/NZ go for the R series diesel which is solid

@nagybalint1582

9 ай бұрын

Hey! I am on a new project of getting a Hyundai Sonata 2011 back in shape after it sat for about 10 years since it was purchased by my father in miami (it was never in actual use). As yesterday i opened up the hood, i saw that it had a GDI text on the engine cover, so i already knew whats up... i was told it was an MPI model, but sadly that does not seem to be the case... after i get the car back in shape, i want to get the engine fixed by hyundai. Long story short, how long did it take for them to fix your engine? Lets say from the time you went to the dealership to finish?

@ernestlewis9927

5 ай бұрын

Just sent our 2016 Kia Sorento to the dealer for the knock sensor code and the lady told me that when they confirm the code that they will do a clearance check if that fails then they will contact Kia. So that would be a couple days to receive the info and the response. Then if Kia said go ahead they have to order engine and that will take let’s say a couple days to a week or so. Then finally when the engine comes they set an appointment to replace the engine and she said about 2 or 3 days to pull and put back. Best case scenario is that 2 to 3 weeks is what she was saying. This is if the knock sensor update was done prior to the engine light on. Hope this helps

@jpinnz2803

4 ай бұрын

@@nagybalint1582 Hi, sorry for the late reply - I wasn't aware of this comment. My reply is probably going to be too late but it took about three weeks all up as Ernest says. Best of luck with your project!

@richarddaniels1056

7 күн бұрын

Most of you people are completely full of shit you don't just go to Hyundai complain and then they give you a new fucking engine we went through nightmare after nightmare with this fucked up company and in the end they screwed us so don't tell me you just walked in there complained and got a new engine I'm smarter than that

Just got ours back from dealer. Full warranty replacement for the bearing failure. Thankfully we did the software update that grandfathered us in for lifetime replacement. New engine now at 142000, didn't pay a dime.

@nuadasilverpaw5702

2 жыл бұрын

I took my 2015 in for CVVT/ECVVT replacement, then the engine seized. Just got mine back last week after it being in the shop for 4 months. They replaced the engine under warranty. I think I got the better deal. I was sitting at 126k miles.

@txhorn10

2 жыл бұрын

I bought a 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe Ultimate with the 2.4L in August of 2018, I had to go back for the software update as well and have lifetime replacement (although the dealership never mentioned that to me 😂) but I got the papers in the mail. I only have 12,800 miles on it though.

@martinnorbeck5961

2 жыл бұрын

My nephew had his wifes car along with a buddy on the way to play golf it started knocking, he pulled into a nearby Hyundai dealer and got a new motor scott free. It was a Sonata. Not sure of year.

@SpidermanX100

2 жыл бұрын

Will they replace it for the second owners too? In the next few days i will have the update and i would like to know in case something goes wrong.

@nuadasilverpaw5702

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpidermanX100 I was not the original owner of my vehicle. It was owned twice before me, I believe.

My 2012 Sonata passed all testing requirements conducted by the local Hyundai dealer, thus, I was given an engine warranty up to 200k kms. I am now at 185k kms. and I have not felt any engine abnormalities. Almost every week, I check the engine oil level, it should be on the max side. If the oil level goes down a bit, I top it off. Once I reach 5000 kilometers, I change the oil and often use full synthetic oil and some premium oil filter. I've also installed an oil catch can at 60,000 kms. so every time I do an oil change, I see some oil accumulation from the catch can.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

This is probably the best you can do to this engine. Hopefully it lasts.

@psyolent.

Жыл бұрын

you will be right with this --> Once I reach 5000 kilometers, I change the oil and often use full synthetic oil and some premium oil filter

@timheersma4708

Жыл бұрын

I traded my 2011 Sonata 2.4 L with 235k km. Still ran fine...I drive mostly highway. My 2019 Tucson has the same 2.4L engine and it has a lifetime warranty on it due to the crankshaft milling issue suspected from the factory. I still drive mostly highway and the dealership mechanic told me that the highway driving would likely save my engine due to the oil being flushed through without seriously damaging the motor.

@Akotski-ys9rr

Жыл бұрын

A little oil burning never hurt anyone

@dbzownz12345

Жыл бұрын

I would get rid of the car prior to that 200k if you're smart. Don't go to the dealership cause they know about this. I'd shop around for best deal to get cash or trade-in. Once that warranty period is over for Hyundai/Kia cars you're playing with fire. Not worth it really.

Love these tear down videos, love your channel altogether. Nobody does it like you, straight and to the point. Waiting for the next one.

Great video. Luckily my 2011 Sonota 2.4 was one of the good ones. 188k miles on it and it has never left me stranded. Been a great car.

@hernancruzt

2 жыл бұрын

This seems to be a problem of the Sonatas built in USA, the Korean ones have a similar structure but instead of gasoline they use LPI. I know several cars with over 250,000 miles and those are still working. I had to change the engine of my Sonata after 300,000 miles and if that's not something durable I'm not sure what it is.

@zeppkfw

Жыл бұрын

@@hernancruzt American made Korean cars are trash

Your videos should be required watching by any engineer who does machine design or automotive design. Invaluable information and lessons learned. Well done.Thanks.

@nukedeadx

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the engineer knows, but the Executive department want new technology to impress clients and not care about the longevity of the engine, that's why I prefer N/A, no turbo, no hybrid, no CVT

@johnarnold893

5 ай бұрын

You think that the engineers haven't inspected the many failed engines that this company has made over the years?

tbh, I really wish I had the same knowledge/experience as my man here, knowing which shirt to use and when to use them.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks. You should try to take things apart if you want to learn...that's a good way to get experience

@rossmactavish8151

2 жыл бұрын

I think he only knows how to make a mess

@alasdair4161

2 жыл бұрын

@@rossmactavish8151 At least he knows to use the wife's clothes and toothbrush for cleanup...

I had a 2011 YF Hyundai Sonata 2.0T. It had the recall and thus a new engine installed. As long as they honor the recall and do the work, the cars are awesome! I did the walnut blasting to clean the carbon build up, it was actually easy.

@brucebmendoza

2 жыл бұрын

Really you did the walnut blasting on the 2.0T engine ? Did you record it ? I would love to see it

@lowrivera

2 жыл бұрын

@@brucebmendoza Sorry, I didn't, and have never recorded anything I've ever done on cars. Cleaning the carbon build up via walnut blasting is surprisingly easy. I just watched a bunch of KZread videos. The equipment and walnut media is cheap as well. Granted I already have lots of tools including a big compressor. I haven't had the car since March, as some idiot failed to yield and it was deemed a total loss. It was not modified save the Plasti-Dip emblems.

@MrSkeltal268

2 жыл бұрын

@@lowrivera Are you saying you walnut blasted the new engine or old, and did you do that while the engine is in the car? If so, how do you prevent particles from entering the engine?

@lowrivera

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSkeltal268 look up walnut blasting videos. Did just like that. Tape off the cylinders you’re not working on. In one case, some guy even sprayed and drowned the valves in brake cleaner, that one is newer and after I’d already done it but apparently, you can. There is a tool that attaches to your vacuum that fits into the port. It has a hole for the walnut sprayer tube so you actually don’t make a mess. It’s fairly easy. The Hyundai/Kia engine intake side face the front so access is great for it. You can even buy an entire kit. More than anything, I’d just make sure the cylinder you’re working on is top dead center and you clean the big gunk off first.

@MattPSU02

2 жыл бұрын

Mine died before walnut blasting was really required.

When I was in Automotive school I diagnosed one of these that was locked up, it had been run out of oil, and because of the recall the guy got a free engine at 80k miles.

2013 Sonata with 2.4 Engine. I changed the oil and filter at 500 miles my self.....Didn't believe the dealership when they told me no break period needed. Going on 80K miles no engine issues. Change oil and filter at 3k to 5k intervals and run 5w30 full synthetic.

@michaelnefedov2267

2 жыл бұрын

It has been demonstrated that insufficient cooling for first cylinder was the problem. If you have looked at first cylinder wall - there will be scratches. This is where metal debris come from clogging bearings etc.

@v8snail

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelnefedov2267 It has been demonstrated by who? This problem was due to a change in the way they flushed the debris from the crankshaft from using water to air. Nothing to to with deburring, only cleaning. It affected less than 2% of the engines and mostly in America. This is a beautifully designed engine otherwise, efficient, reliable and powerful considering it only drinks low octane fuel. I have run this engine in Australia for 160,000km with no problems doing 15,000km oil changes using synthetic oil. Carbon build up is just not a problem. I haven't even see it on that engine apart from a light soot coating which impacts nothing. This whole 'direct injection issue' is a joke seeded from very poorly designed engines like GM and the like. There is nothing but bias in this video. I'm not a fanboy of any brand but can recognise good and poor engineering when I see it. I have replaced two minor things on my 2013 i45 where as my previous Holden (GM) cars had the bonnet up every other weekend with issues and used twice the fuel for the same power. People need to get their heads out their arses.

@rabbmorgan5322

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2011 Hyundai Sonata SE with 170K miles. I do the all the regular maintenance, and never had a problem.

@slowgoat6089

2 жыл бұрын

@@v8snail - Your wrong KIA/HYUNDAI IS SHIT. My moms 2016 KIA Soul engine drinks a quart if oil every 1,000 miles, also the catalytic converter is clogged and Kia in my town doesn’t want to honor it.

@v8snail

2 жыл бұрын

@@slowgoat6089 Telling me I'm wrong about an engine then giving only one example of a totally different engine with an unexplained history makes for a pretty weak argument. Dealers almost everywhere are arseholes by design but in Australia we have different consumers laws to the US and in some cases a different supply chain for similar vehicles of the same brand. Hyundai/Kia are statistically right up there in reliability and here at least are usually backed up by good company service if something goes wrong. If you think I'm wrong on any point regarding that 2.4 GDI then counter argue it with specific engineering examples from your own personal experience.

Nice. Love to see an engine in pieces, just not mine.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Haha

Just goes to show you, behind every great man, there's a woman with a toothbrush that she stopped using and a few old dresses she stopped wearing too.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Well she ootta stop wearing them now that I've used them 😎

@spol1622

2 жыл бұрын

Bad bearings are rather infrequent. Usually lack of proper lubrication is to blame...

@rodpanhard

2 жыл бұрын

@@spol1622 Big end bearings are made of cheese. I had a Tiburon V6 coupe once and this engine is famous for main bearing issues, the "knock of death" is a well known issue you need to check when buying the car.

@jamesmedina2062

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodpanhard I doubt the bearings were made in Wisconsin.

@driver4011

2 жыл бұрын

@@spol1622 agree.......engine failure caused by neglecting regular scheduled maintenance - oil changes. oil is cheap......engines are not.

My daughter has a 2L turbo and they told her it was covered until the last time she carried it to the dealer and they had fifty four down and they told her that they had discontinued the warranty on hers because she was not the original purchaser. She bought it from the dealer and they first told her it was covered. They did a recall and all they did was change the oil and send it to be analyzed and told her don't worry you are covered now it is a different story you are out of luck. I told her that when they did the recall she should have made them put her an engine but no the dealer said they would take care of her now she knows that Dad knew best and the dealer lied.

@guidedbygreen1480

2 жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to me, because I wasn't first owner they wouldn't replace engine. Got rid of that thing and got a Camry

@steveeddy6876

Жыл бұрын

Oh come on Car dealerships never lie!

@elgatogordo9523

Жыл бұрын

@@steveeddy6876 LOL! 🤣 They're called Stealerships instead!

@civierogarage8060

Жыл бұрын

The Hyundai website say warranty is fully transferable

@eleventy-seven

10 ай бұрын

​@@civierogarage8060Loopholes like needed ALL your service records are used be them. They're scum.

My gf and I had a 2011 Sonata and it was subject to the recall. Had 80K miles on it when we took it to the dealer. They did the acoustic test thing and said it passed. Warranty was extended to 120K miles. Kept the car until 139K and I thought the motor was getting loud so we traded it in for a 2019 Sonata that was identical. We have a great dealer (Somerset Ky) and they do the oil changes. The 2011 was the best car ever. In 139K miles we replaced the battery once, front brakes twice, rear brakes once, one set of tires, and that was it. They’re excellent cars. Our new one has about 50K miles and so far has been trouble free. I like this video. Just subscribed!

@adl6907

2 жыл бұрын

🤡

@dbzownz12345

Жыл бұрын

do the newer cars suffer from these engine failures? I plan on getting.a 23 Kia Rio or 23/24 Kia Soul or Fiesta, maybe K5. I've always been into Honda so I'm a complete noob with this car manufacturer. Thanks.

@localcrew

Жыл бұрын

@@dbzownz12345 As I said earlier, our 2011 Sonata was the best car ever. Our 2019 Sonata is great - but it has started using oil and we are experiencing detonation under acceleration. So it’s a bit of a disappointment but still a wonderful car. I think that it can be attributed to the old “Luck of the Draw” more than anything. I think the main factor is to buy from a dealer you are comfortable with. Our dealer started out great but they were bought out by a larger umbrella of dealerships and their service went rapidly downhill. The new service manager told my gf that the knock sensor wasn’t for detonation but was for rod knock. When I explained to my gf what a blatant lie that was she just said that we are through with that dealership and are moving on. Trust is a fragile thing. Once squandered... well, it’s hard to get back. Good luck with your purchase. Let us know how it turns out. 🤞

@localcrew

Жыл бұрын

@@adl6907 Thanks for adding some constructive input to the conversation. That’s what KZread is all about. 👍

My favorite part is when you put the engine back together and you get many bolts left

@guywithjeep

2 жыл бұрын

weight reduction

@guywithjeep

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnogara3029 hypothetical "you" not dude in the video

@vindiesel9345

2 жыл бұрын

I always drop some extra bolts when I see someone working on their car...And the I watch the show....HA

@RAndomlyEntertained

2 жыл бұрын

just drop in the oil tank, it already got metal shavings in them

Nice to see enough pictures to answer the question of piston oilers / coolers .I see them on your engine ,& I have to hope they are on all of the theta engines .Mine knocked badly on cold start up during the first winter (six months from new ). It had very low milage, & eventually started producing these noises during progressively warmer weather. Upon useing a bore scope camera to view the cylinder walls, (at 45,000 kms , I could see severe scoring of the cylinder walls. I lost no compression, & the cylinders were equal pressure (right to the pound)!, which surprized me. I added 4.5 imperial ounces of sythetic two stroke engine oil to 10 imperial gallons of fuel, & "miraculously"gained a very noticeable increase in power ., & better shifting as a result . Knocking is no worse now , but I spend time to warm up the engine , concentrating on varying the speed to keep it out of the damaging knocking noise range Now it has 126,000.kms ,& I installed a oil pressure gauge & crossed my fingers ..

Thank you for explaining what happens with this engine. My girlfriend's 2014 Sonata just seized up and nearly caught fire recently, after just over 100k miles with regular, timely maintenance. They're replacing the engine for free, but now we know we'll have to watch this car like a hawk in the future.

@Mscmontes

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah good luck with that,they replaced my engine on the 2014 Tucson after my engine rods blew and just since December I’ve been having different issues ever since

@cheaptick

2 жыл бұрын

They replaced our Sorento engine at 105K when it siezed up. Not many miles since but so far so good. I feel KIA treated us well.

@lovetiffeny5357

2 жыл бұрын

Mine just seized up at 101k… currently is at Hyundai motor’s… what was the approval process like for you guys?

@cheaptick

2 жыл бұрын

@@lovetiffeny5357 a few days and approved... I think our records (previous Owner) were ok

@mark41157

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2014 Sonata with almost 100k miles. No problems yet. Burns a little oil.

I bought a 2013 Sonata GLS Base back in 2014 with close to 65k miles on it. It was released from a rental fleet and that explains why it ramped up so many miles in just a little over 1 year. The car was definitely not in top shape as you could imagine how renters did all kinds of abuses on rental cars. Long story short, I started hearing some knocking sound from the engine around 75k miles and I thought it would blow up any time soon. But till today, 7 years later, with 143k miles on the clock the engine is still running pretty smoothly with lots of power, although the sound still exists with heavier throttle input. And other than this and the renowned steering wheel clunking (due to a broken $5 rubber ring in the steering motor), the car still holds up pretty well.

@joerivas9847

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2013 Elantra GT. I always make sure it is serviced on time, I still have the car, 78,000 on it . I just got the notice from hyundai to bring the car in and as I read somewhere else, so they can install a computer program to shut the engine down, when one of the telltale signs shows up. I guess so they can put the bandaid on before the engine destroys itself. The car has been a relatively good car, it did have that issue with the rubberband in the steering and the clock spring which they wouldnt warranty, and then come out later and said it was,I fought with them to reimburse me for it.

My siblings and I were driving to South Carolina for a cruise in a 2011 Kia Sorento and about halfway through the trip while going 65 on the highway we lost all revs and the engine stopped. Nice.

@hamsterama

2 жыл бұрын

Scary! What did you do? Did you jump out of the car and run to the side of the road? What an incredibly dangerous thing to happen. You could've been rear-ended by traffic behind you. I'm glad you're here to type this!

@lashlarue7924

2 жыл бұрын

Serves you right for driving such horrible K-Pop garbage in the first place. Lesson learned - THE HARD WAY.

@IanPilgreen

2 жыл бұрын

@@lashlarue7924 Okay, let's calm down and remember that it wasn't mine lol

@IanPilgreen

2 жыл бұрын

@@hamsterama It was basically the equivalent of a glider with wheels at that point, but we still had brakes so we pulled over onto the side of the highway. We managed to get a tow and a ride to the cruise port and we made the boarding time, but let's just say that we've got a little bit of PTSD from this engine.

@lashlarue7924

2 жыл бұрын

@@IanPilgreen sorry that came across a little agro. 😐

My wife and I bought a 2018 sonata sport a few years ago. It didn't take long to notice it was burning half a quart of oil every two weeks and it spark knocked all the time even on premium gas. We took it back to the dealer for a software update that might have helped a bit with the spark knock but not much. And yes i tried the intake valve cleaner but it would only clear it up for a few days. It was replaced with by a Mazda just 6 months after purchase.

Absolutely enjoy your no nonsense, no bullshit videos!! You move along at a good clip, and I really appreciate it your fast-forward skips, rather than going in realtime. I am further blown away, and laughing at, your bottomless supply of brother's & your wife's discarded clothing & toothbrushes. You are funny, highly knowledgeable, entertaining, and I like that you unreservedly call out the various flaws of car engines. Well done!!

I have a 2011 Tucson with this engine with 156k miles. Have taken care of it....regular oil changes ....etc. Runs like a top and haven't had any issues with it at all. That's been my experience.

@bigpapa2819

9 ай бұрын

what is the first digit of the Vin? the korea made ones seem to be much better than the American ones. Toyota had this same issue.

@whocares5188

8 ай бұрын

Ya what you don't understand is there is deburring issues means nothing can prevent it. Once the burrs break loses its over

Thank You for the detailed teardown, and explanation of how things work

Awesome video! Very interesting and informative. Keep up the great work.

This is a great video, almost a technical training I would say. Hyundai/Kia have never been my favorite brands but after watching this I will avoid them forever. That said, I was the unlucky owner of the infamous Daimler-Chrysler V6 2.7 engine mounted in a 2000 Chrysler Intrepid that broke apart at 160,000 km. Looking at the recalls today from many automaker brands, I wonder if there is any chance to get a decent engine with an affordable price. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise.

Speedkar…… I have enjoyed your videos for a few years! Keep up the good work!

This was a great video and an awesome tutorial on the breack down of the theta II engine. Would love to see what the working looks like on a 1992 Nissan Maxima SE 3.0 L 6- Cyl {E} VE30DE engine.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. VE30 is a bit old

@EAC202

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 it is certainly old and was only made for a few years but it's a great engine. I have one and I love it. Only issue is the VTC clattering, especially when cold.

I love this channel! Thanks for taking the time to make the videos.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome

Takeaway: deburring is really important

@robertrocheville7769

2 жыл бұрын

Cleaning is the important thing here.

Owner of 2003 Santa Fe, 244000 miles running strong. Bought brand new when my daughter was 3 months old. She drives in college.

@marvelv212

2 жыл бұрын

It was probably made in Korea not USA like now

@MetaView7

4 ай бұрын

Congrats !

My wife hyundai elantra 2012 engine was rebuild about 8 months ago by hyundai dealership. Had only 28000 miles. They didn't want to do it so we had to show them articles and videos of other people having the same issues. The supervisor of the dealership give the go ahead for them to rebuild the engine.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

You should have contact Hyundai head quarter

@smartkid1201

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 Hyundai Corp gave the dealership the go ahead to repair not the supervisor from that particular dealer.

@S.Madman

2 жыл бұрын

@@smartkid1201 The warranty is for an engine replacement not a rebuild. So they should have swapped the engine out, not rebuild it.

Bad bearings are the culprit of most of these engines. I’ve seen hundreds of these. Oh yeah and that new recall 203 is for bad piston rings. Most of the ones under recall 203 have scored cylinder walls and most fail under 10k miles.

@markbuterbuagh4971

2 жыл бұрын

If your a hyundai tech i liked when you could condemm the engine with the GTS great tool.We had some engine fails but more transmission fails.And updates lol.

@eatingplaydoh

2 жыл бұрын

They build some real junk, but it's job security.

@zabryant01

2 жыл бұрын

Mines included in that… 2020 Elantra Sel and I’m about to hit 20k. So far so good there’s no remedy so no use in trying to get them to do a recall they can’t “fix” yet.

@frankieb7405

2 жыл бұрын

@@markbuterbuagh4971 I’m not a tech for Hyundai.

@MattPSU02

2 жыл бұрын

@@markbuterbuagh4971 really? My understanding is that the Hyundai 6 speed units are very reliable. I had 165k on mine before trading it. I do know about the DCT issues, but that's specific to that transmission.

Thank you for the tear down..great video.. awesome discriptions of engine problems...great channel

On the 2006 - 2008 Theta engines I've seen at the salvage yard, the #1 cylinder's connecting rod breaks loose and makes a hole in the engine block. On the customer's car I worked on, the engine was making a huge knocking noise. When I removed the oil pan and oil pump, the pump had completely seized and the bearings on #1 cylinder where completely gone. Since the Theta engine is also used by the Kia Optima, I was able to get a replacement at the salvage yard from a Optima ($150 if you pull the engine out yourself) that worked perfectly in the Sonata after the 2nd attempt. The 1st replacement engine was a oil burner.

I read an account by a Kia dealer tech of this engine issue which also affects sister Hyundai. Drilling swarf left in the crankshaft oil passages. Dealers have a sound recording monitor which analyzes engine sound level to determine pending failure. 10 year 100K miles powertrain warranty should cover a replacement engine in addition to recall. Don’t let a dealer tell you they never heard of this issue and campaign. Now a new different engine problem recall 203 for faulty piston rings causing scored cylinder walls and excessive oil consumption. If Kia/Hyundai wants to keep up and beat Toyota and Honda they need to turn the company upside down to fix this repeated issue.

@dbzownz12345

Жыл бұрын

isn't that 100k warranty suppose to cover engine regardless? Hell, if mine gets this bad I'm going to offset the thing beforehand or claim a lemon law if they don't honor that warranty.

@RobertBeck-pp2ru

4 ай бұрын

There is a reason they sell for so cheap. Corners were cut.

Gotta love an engine whose description begins with "notorious!" Do you think you might do a Ford Ecoboost 2.0?

@flagmichael

2 жыл бұрын

I had a 1984 Dodge 600 with the notorious Mikuni feedback carburetor. I never wanted to know what the penalty was for forgetting to say "notorious" before "Mikuni carburetor." Hey - when you have to drill a calibrated hole (start with 1/4 inch and work up to a maximum of 3/8 inch) in the choke plate to get it to work right you know it is a very bad boy.

Got 220,000 miles on my 2012 Sonata before the warranty replacement at no cost, of course had to put a quart of oil in once a week for the last 5,000 miles. Now it runs like a dream with the replacement.

Great, great video. Cracks me up using family's items when you work. Great job!

I just picked one of these up. The paint and interior were in great shape. It had a little over 200k miles and pretty much what you are looking at is what happened cams, rods and crank, which is what I expected. Number one rod was the failure point. I am in the process of overhauling it right now. The good news is parts for these are very reasonable. If you do this kind of work you can pick one up for a song.

@speedkar99

Жыл бұрын

Ouch

That was brilliant! Any chance of tearing down a 1.6 gdi from hyundai next? i'm very curious about this engine quality, mine is great at 146000 km but i'm not sure about the soot from gdi, the exhaust pipe is pretty dark....

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Would like to get my hands on one...some day

Excellent video! Two questions: With the fuel injectors injecting fuel directly, you get the carbon buildup and you mention that requires regular cleaning. How? Does it help to drive the engine real hot, or do you need to clean it mechanically? When it comes to these engine recalls...all the owners who typically paid up to 6k$ for an engine replacement or rebuild before the NHTSA order - do they get a refund? Or are they just forked either way? I'm looking to buy a 2018 Optima PHEV here in Urop, with the 2.0 Theta GDI engine. Getting second thoughts here.

As a hyundai lube tech I witness this everyday. This is super helpful for my apprenticeship

@speedkar99

7 ай бұрын

Sadness

I raise my hat for Honda. My last Civic had 400k on it running still like a clock before I totaled it in a winter accident.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

What engine? D17?

@mahdavimail

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 it was R18 1.8 civic 2007 now I got 2014 with stick shift manual its the same engine though 😅 thanks for video. It was km not mile. In harsh Quebec climate!

@christianlail7266

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 what do you think of the d17. Specifically the a2

@boostego1268

2 жыл бұрын

The original insight motors have seen 1 million miles. Now the F1 motor is matching Mercedes. Honda knows motors

@JoshuasRecordings

2 жыл бұрын

@@mahdavimail I'm impressed. Our 2009 Honda Civic failed at 140k with the transmission loosing 1st, 2nd, 5th and reverse (manual) and the engine having very excessive blow by and a failing headgasket.

Seemed like a great idea at the time, but boy did things change quick! I personally own a 2015 Sonata 2.0T with 155K miles and so far no major issues(knocks on wood); but I'm glad they scrapped the Theta 2 family of engines in favor of the new Smartstream GDI with MPI...now only time will tell how these hold up.

@pcno2832

2 жыл бұрын

I hope the Smartstream proves to be reliable. But I wonder if they scrapped an engine that was no longer defective, given all the time they have had to get it right. I'd probably be a little more leary of a newly designed engine that one that was recalled for failing after 100K miles.

@alexPassoSn

2 жыл бұрын

Well buddy the smartstream are comming with a worsening fabric problems than these ones

@lonniebeal6032

2 жыл бұрын

@Nordav Devito Oh, Toyota has had it's problems, some with oil consumption as well, look it up.

@kimberlyx4060

2 жыл бұрын

I had a 2015 Sonata Hybrid. Wow what a nightmare. It needed a new transmission at 75k. Then a hybrid system warning and it shut down on the expressway. After a PCV replacement, a hybrid cluster and then Hyundai refuses a battery replacement, I got rid of it. Awful resale value.

I learn so much every time I watch one of your videos. Thank you for that.

Thanks for this great details and very knowledgeable presentations. Awesome!

Reminds me of a Toyota 2AZ/1ZZ design and layout... This engine looks simple, soundly designed and built, shame about the manufacturing defect and of course no secondary port fuel injectors as is done with Toyota.

@jhndijkman

2 жыл бұрын

No engines of that generation had dual injectors systems. Ill point out that Hyundai now uses that technology.. I already know the answer. But you yourself have used the correct reason of engine failure. I don't think he bothered to mention it. But the detail is that the failed engines came from American manufacture. If they made correctly to proper standards and practices they won't have any trouble doing very high milages as attested in other markets around the world.

@JosephArata

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhndijkman except the Theta 2 isn't American. It's a Mitsubishi design that South Korean car manufacturers Hyduai/Kia licensed and produce in their own Korean plants.

@JosephArata

2 жыл бұрын

The 2AZ-FE is a much better design than the Mitsubishi Theta engine. You don't have a coolant cross pipe from the water pump to the thermostat, everything is placed in the front of the timing cover with pretty good access for serviceability. The Theta isn't terrible design. When they retrofitted them to GDI, they didn't do enough testing and had problems with cylinder wash and carbon coking on the intake valves. Ring gaps need to be tighter with direct injection, or unburnt gasoline will seep down into the crankcase and contaminate the oil. You also need indirect secondary injectors to keep carbon from coking up on the intake valves. Pretty much what every GDI engine in manufacturer has done to fix GDI issues I've stated above.

@warcrabcyber9908

2 жыл бұрын

@@JosephArata theta 2 is not a Mitsubishi engine, theta 2 is Hyundai and Kia joint venture engine. Look at how poorly that engine is desiged, Mitsubishi don't make poor engines like that. Kia and Hyundai used early model Mitsubishi engines like the 4g15 , 4g63 then after 2004 Hyundai started building their own engines. It's clear they did not learn how to build the engine properly.

@OhPhuckYou

2 жыл бұрын

@@warcrabcyber9908 The Theta engines are made and modified by Hyundai/Kia after 04, but it started it's life as a Mitsubishi design. Hyundai/Kia just fucked it up worse than when they were using Mitsubishi built engines. (Not a huge fan of Mitsubishi, and any 4 cyl that is based off their design is a real disappointment like the Chrysler World 2.4) These Theta engines are a real hit or miss. Some wind up being long lasting, and a lot end up being the horrible turds they are. Hyundai/Kia will be paying for this mistake generations to come. Their V6 engines have shown to be relatively well built, and the Thao V8 engines are good engines. People now automatically unjustifiably condemn every Korean car even without the Theta 4cyl. The Theta and their DSG are going to hurt them for a long time. I won't even start on DSG gearboxes and how every manufacturer needs to stop using them outside of performance applications. VW even fucks the pooch with DSGs, and they're known as one of the better ones. Hyundai and Ford fucked the pooch and got it pregnant with their DSG's.

All a man needs are toothbrushes, old familial clothes, and broken down car engines.

@ClosestNearUtopia

2 жыл бұрын

The dude in my company who arranges our spareparts/material and tools still dont want me to give brushes and stuff like that. He asked me serveral time what I need to paint… even after explaining he doesnt see use of it, what a dumbnut isnt it..

@zendher

2 жыл бұрын

And a can of diesel to clean all!!!

@dyslectische

2 жыл бұрын

And what is can mis is his wife who cry how mutch time he set in his hobby

@ClosestNearUtopia

2 жыл бұрын

@@dyslectische zet je taal anders even op engels;)

@technop.8461

2 жыл бұрын

They finally to replace my engine after the law suit

I like the way you analyze engines like this.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. More to come

Great video!! 👍 now I know what that knocking sound was.. man that was so insightful

As an ex Hyundai Tech I can remember doing these under warranty. They would have Us replace the bottom end only. And in 2014 as a flat rate technician getting paid $12 an hour, I would make a grand total of $120 to do this job😭😖 Good times🤟

@davidgiles5030

2 жыл бұрын

You were paid $12 an hour in 2014? Ridiculous. I made over double that when I left the trade in 2008. That's in Canada.

@MrEdwithdreadz

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidgiles5030 Yeah I was a pretty new Tech I had just moved from hourly to flat rate so that's what I started out at. And I left before I got a raise lol

@azzajohnson2123

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidgiles5030 he was your discount Employee counterpart

@steveeddy6876

Жыл бұрын

Hmmmm HUN DIE?

@reidy19841984

Жыл бұрын

Is it possible do a bearing roll on the big end bearings insitue without removing the engine? Possibly flush oil gallery's too?

best part.. Hyundai put this eyelets because they know how often u are going to change this engine..lolz

@mirandafitch1013

2 жыл бұрын

Right 😂😂😂😂😂

@Toguro-oy3ld

2 жыл бұрын

Sure the dealership likes that for warranty work.

@aaronturner1072

2 жыл бұрын

They drop em out the bottom but yeah it is ironic

@chrism340i

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronturner1072 no we pull them from the top, you can pull it from the bottom but can take more time

@JohnDiMartino

2 жыл бұрын

@@Toguro-oy3ld they get maybe 50 cents on the dollar for labor and make nothing on parts ,and customers won’t be back for a new Hyundai next time they buy, But I’m sure they are loving it....

My daughter's 2014 elantra still runs like new with just over 102k miles . I replaced a ball joint in it last week , but it was very easy to do . That is the only thing I ever had to replace on it outside of normal maintenance items . I change the oil and filter every 4k miles with Walmart synthetic .

Excellent information, Thank you

I remember all the great press this engine got when it came out in the 2011 sonata and optima. 200hp 4 banger with no turbo was a big deal then. I was dead set on the optima for a while. Now im glad I never got one.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah these cars were good for their time back then

@ecoRfan

2 жыл бұрын

Have a 2011 Optima with that engine. Not a bad car. But engine has sounded a bit harsher recently. And maybe a bit pokier than in the past. Hope it doesn’t blow on me.

@aaronturner1072

2 жыл бұрын

@@ecoRfan If you find the oil level consistently low or any form of knock at idle, she's on borrowed time

@frankieb7405

2 жыл бұрын

@@ecoRfan especially if you start hearing some knocking from the engine. You might qualify for the lifetime extended warranty on that engine.

@MattPSU02

2 жыл бұрын

I fell for it. I wondered how Hyundai got 274HP and still got over 30mpg highway. Now I know why...

I remember when the recall came out on these engines (for Kia anyways) where we had to take an android tablet with this snake microphone and place it in the dipstick tube while running the engine at various RPMs. If the tablet said it Failed (even if you couldn't hear any weird noises) the car got a new engine no questions asked. But sometimes it would 'Pass' while the engine was sitting their clanging loudly so we'd have to send a video of the noise to Kia's warranty and then they'd approve replacement. Doing that sound test on the 2.0 Turbo was an absolute pain because you had to hold the engine within 100RPM of a certain value for a certain amount of time (like 30 seconds or so, I cant remember I don't work there anymore) and on the turbo engines the boost would come in and out and you'd end up with an engine constantly fluctuating RPMs. I had to use my finger to very precisely control the go-pedal to do that test and even then it was difficult. Why Kia didn't implement automatic RPM control in their test I don't know considering the tablet was plugged into the OBD port to monitor RPMs.

It's actually strange that this channel doesn't have like 2-3 mil subscriptions

Ultra informative , kudos

I'm not convinced with their official explanation as to these failures being something as simple as debris left behind in the manufacturing process. Surely something is failing in operation which is causing the debris to accumulate over time, or else the issues would be apparent almost immediately. They are however mostly happening after 100,000 miles and up to 10 years after leaving the showroom! I have a feeling there is a design flaw somewhere that they aren't admitting to...

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

If the metal debris isn't affecting the bearings directly, it's building up over time in the oil galleys causing oil starvation.

@19jacobob93

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 I don't get how this debris will build up over time though if it is already there in the galleys from day one. If this were true it would be trapped in the oil filter almost immediately, long before they had a chance to accumulate. I feel there is a design flaw causing a sudden point of failure somewhere and they are literally embarrassed about it haha

The new 2.5 are coming apart too. We have done soooo many engines at work it's unbelievable.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Are they? Haven't read anything yet

@alejandro11000

2 жыл бұрын

How are they still in business??

@eatingplaydoh

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 one oil pump failure and one complete lower end failure so far. 80 miles on the pump car and 9k on the failed engine. Cvts are very short lived some haven't worked off the car carrier to the lot. Updates rendering modules useless... busy but not a lot of fun.

@tonyzase

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIKitpuchcvWeJs.html

@wolfsburvviann

2 жыл бұрын

@@alejandro11000 Good question. Probably the same case as GM. If Korea had more decent car brands they'd be dead by now.

Very well explained and shown. I believe the Knock sensor recall update actually updated the firmware to be more sensitive to knocking and sent the vehicle into limp mode sooner so that the owner would know to take the vehicle in earlier and likely prevent being stranded somewhere. I am not sure if they changed the sensor and wiring as an update too, so that is why I refer to firmware update. This just happened to our Kia Optima last week and will take the car to the dealer this week, now that we towed it back home from another state while on a vacation. I did not want the work to be performed out of state so far away from home.

@dentech4710

10 ай бұрын

Read my post about my experience so far.

Great tear down video

Great video!!! I like his description of what the components do, as he removes them from the engine.... I do not like direct injection either, because of the inherent problems of intake carbon build-up... I PARTICULARILY do not like Variable valve timing because of the complexity involved with it... This engine had a problem with it, on the intake cam VVT control valve. I favor valve lash adjustments done with threaded tappets or ball-studs & locknuts, over the shim in bucket adjustments... Much easier to adjust valves that way and they offer the advantage of not having to buy highly specialised - expensive parts from dealers to do valve adjustments after head work has been done. It is doubtful that Hyundai & Kia decided to sacrifice the quality, to increase the quantity - by not properly cleaning-out the lubrication passages in their engines... My guess is, the bearing failures were caused by dirty fouled engine oil. The owner(s) of this car probably failed to do the engine oil changes in a proper manner...... But, I'll stick with my motorcycle and cast-iron 1/2 million mile American V-8's... They just keep on running...

@curbozerboomer1773

2 жыл бұрын

That engine was about the only 4cyl that gave Hyundai a bad problem....over the last ten years, KIA and HYUNDAI have achieved stellar status for being very reliable vehicles...this older 4cyl problem engine is an anomaly--not typical of most other engines from the companies....this dude knows his stuff--but he seems to have a negative attitude towards the engine in general.

@michaelmartinez1345

2 жыл бұрын

@@curbozerboomer1773 Gotcha... I imagine that Hyundai's & Kia's did not get to where they are at by producing bad vehicles, and other products... But You have to admit, the vast majority of modern OHC engines, using aluminum heads , are basically throw-away designs-after a bad overheat.... Too many things to go wrong on these newer vehicles, after they reach a certain mileage and/or age.... After they start having problems, like these examples developed, time to send the vehicle to the salvage yard and start-over with another vehicle... They just don't last the way they used to anymore...

Great video. I have a 2006 Hyundai Tucson w/ the 6 and a 2009 Sonata w/ the 4. Both engines are still running strong and no problems. Too bad Hyundai rushed it's engine manufacturing to meet demands and suffered the consequence.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

I think the 6 were much better than the Theta2

@ronijr4918

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly any Kia engine that doesn't have the 2.0 or 2.4L are great. The 1.6 and 3.3L are the best.

@davidestate

Жыл бұрын

Your car has stronger oil rings so you are lucky.

Another tutorial from the master!Very informative and interesting.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome thanks

Glad you made this video I've been making videos talking about these engines for years now. People really need to stay away from these cars

I love how he points out those "Eyelets" for easy replacement of these engines which you'll be doing often...😂🤣😂🤣😂

Great engines, very consistent, blew right at 100000

@kagoatleonard4019

2 жыл бұрын

Lmaooo

@karrenleonard8653

Жыл бұрын

@Kagoat Leonard I almost thought that was my reply at first glance but I knew it wasn't. .not wanting to be mean but I'm not sure about your first name.. do you know the meaning??

My 2017 Hyundai Tuscon siezed on me yesterday. My buddy who's a mechanic immediately told me its the rod bearing as soon as i started the car...just found out theres a recall on Hyundai Tuscons for this exact reason. Wow thank you so much for this video...now I can see exactly what caused this. Dealership says it should be replaced completly free!

02:10 Thanks I appreciate it and am binge watching your videos. I couldnt understand the ventilation valve here. If there is a PCV what ventilation valve is for and where ventilation connects to??????

I'd like to see how much metal is in the oil pump/balance shaft assembly. I've heard that is part of the issue aside from machining defects.

@caribougoo349

2 жыл бұрын

The metal shavings get stored in the oil passages by design lol

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't get that with this engine unfortunately

@c4rn199

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 that sucks. I have a 2012 2.0T that's modified and been beaten every time I drive it. Amsoil 5w40 and wix xp filter every 7k miles. Have a 3 port catch can with pcv delete and do induction cleanings. The car is running full bolt ons, has been tuned since 45k miles and is running a bigger 22T turbo (original blew up at 190k. Still on it's original engine and trans and has 205k miles now. I also have a Mishimoto drain plug that has a neodymium magnet on it and I'm always pulling a small amount of metal shavings out of the engine. It still runs like a beast though.

@moephufnik7547

2 жыл бұрын

I pull apart the oil pump/balancer with every Hyundai 2.4 engine rebuild. There usually is little debris in the pump/balancer itself but the bearings are often impacted with some debris. Shell bearings have a softer surface specifically to absorb such particles and the shaft bearing surfaces are seldom scored.

Hello, I just subbed so I am new here. Which engines are the best in your findings and which transmissions are the best in your findings. Which cars are the most reliable. I think these would make great video ideas. Thank you for your work!

@95TurboSol

2 жыл бұрын

That would be a great video! I know for GMC their trucks from the early 2000's had an engine and tranny that would go 250k+, I forget the exact engine code though. The Toyota Tundra of the late 2000's up to today is the same and the Toyota camery for most years is known as extremely reliable.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

If I'm judging by just engine and transmission alone (not including the car) I vote for a Honda K-series engine and probably it's manual transmission. Those are so strong and I have seen many with high mileage. Unfortunately the rest of the car tends to fall apart and nickel and dime you when things get old. The 1ZZ Toyota Corolla is a good motor too but you have to feed it alot of oil.

@ut90J

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 thank you for the reply! I think this would be a good video series. Maybe do top 5 most reliable engines, top 5 most reliable manual, automatic, etc., and top 5 most reliable overall. Love your content.

@95TurboSol

2 жыл бұрын

@@speedkar99 Good point, not only are K-series reliable, several versions of that engine can handle 500+ hp with stock internals, very well designed engine!

I have a 2004 Hyundai Santa Fe with a 2.7 liter engine. Over 212,000 miles and nary a hiccup. This car has been driven from Mississippi to Wisconsin twice, and all over the east coast. Oh wait, I did have to change the thermostat once.

@moephufnik7547

2 жыл бұрын

Six cylinder, completely different engine.

@stevenbass732

2 жыл бұрын

@@moephufnik7547 Yeah but the tagline said "why Hyundai engines fail". I know that I'm being picky, but it's Monday. Lol

Do you know if the new 2.0 liter port and direct injection Smartream G engine share any components with the old Beta engine? It’s in the new 2021 Elantra. Because I just purchased the new 2021 Elantra.

"Hey have you seen my toothbrush or dress?" ".....No?"

That was really interesting, a shame because the top part of engine looked really clean. I bought a nearly new 2017 Elantra (in 2018), it has the the newer Atkinson cycle 2 liter engine. My son and his wife now own, so far so good, no problems and I think it has close to 100,000 miles. Thankfully they take my advice and make sure the oil and filter is changed every 3,000 miles. Have to say it is a really nice car to drive, hopefully last them a while longer.

@adoreslaurel

2 жыл бұрын

My son has the 2017 2 litre Kona, 6 speed torque converter trans [down under] which has about 75.000 km now [Atkinson cycle manifold injection], serviced every 15,000 km, no dramas to date. Oil chang period seem long but dealer serviced under warranty, maybe engines built in other countries might have some differences? have not heard of this down under.

@robbflynn4325

2 жыл бұрын

@@adoreslaurel probably same engine as what’s in the Elantra. I would definitely recommend changing the oil more frequently on yours though

@NovaResource

2 жыл бұрын

Well maintained Hyundai/Kia engines last. I have 3 Hyundai/Kia vehicles with the 2.4L Theta II engine and all are excellent. One has 52k miles, one has 100k miles and one has 120k miles. I have 2 other Hyundai/Kia vehicles with different engines with even higher mileage. A 2006 2.0L Beta engine with 160k miles and a 2008 3.3L Lambda with 177k miles.

@adoreslaurel

2 жыл бұрын

@@robbflynn4325 Yes, it's my sons own vehicle, going to be sold soon as he is to get a new company car, A Subaru [probably an Impreza I think]. I wish I had enough use for it as I would buy it off him at 75000 km Still got some warranty left. I threw out the under diameter "Donut" and put in a 16 inch [down under car] BA Falcon 6.5 inch rim with a 205/60 profile tyre, fancy putting a spare wheel in that is less than the diameter of the cars wheels. insane with a 80km speed limit and about the same distance before getting your flat fixed. At least it has a real emergency brake, not like these iffy EPB's that if you lose your electrics in total, stopping is a real problem EPB will not work.

@robbflynn4325

2 жыл бұрын

@@NovaResource I agree, Google million mile Elantra and you will see how they can last. I think some (not all) of the well documented problems with certain engines are probably due to owner neglect. A lot of car owners simply do not change their engine oil at the correct interval, or use the incorrect oil or buy a cheapo filter. Always use quality oil and filters. Also drive your car moderately, most cars are not designed to be revved high all the time. Check your fluids regularly. My son has a 2003 Accord. After a long trip I checked the fluids, transmission fluid barely showing on dipstick. Turns out one of the axle seals from the transmission had a leak which I since fixed with a $14 OEM seal. Had to get right under the car to pinpoint the leak, fact is most people do not do these checks, and in my son's case the eventual inevitable transmission failure on his Accord would have been explained by it having 170,000 miles and therefore reaching it's lifespan.

Many thank for all these videos, please can you demonstrate about the 2011 Hyundai Elantra ?

Thanks for the information. Good content.

Ever opened a direct injection motor that used premiem gas only? If so, was there less or the same amount of carbon build up?

I have a 2015 Kia Sorento with this engine & it had the rod bearing issue at 95000 km's. Annoying and inconvenient however Kia replaced the engine free of charge even tho it was out of factory warranty. I was lucky that way, as it's a known issue.

@sachsgs2509

2 жыл бұрын

However....did they replace it with the same machining engine or a proper replacement with out these problems?🤔

@CanadianTalent1

2 жыл бұрын

@@sachsgs2509 I did inquire about that. They said the engine is brand new without the defects, and they haven't had any of the replacements experience the same issues

@sachsgs2509

2 жыл бұрын

@@CanadianTalent1 got ya...thank you for the info👌

@danbush1249

2 жыл бұрын

Got one in the shop now waiting for approval to replace engine. Hope they do it, or I'll have to rebuild the POS myself, not spending too much money on a 2012 vehicle, but I hate to junk it too.

@trevorharley4475

2 жыл бұрын

I work for Hyundai. They've done nothing to address the issue. Just send us reman long blocks most of the time. They'll pretty much cover it forever though. I've put engines in cars with 200,000 on the clock.

awesome video. I feel like I could easily explain how the engine in my car works now.

GREAT INFORMATIVE VIDEO. THANK YOU

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome

I wonder how the newer 1.6T gamma engine is. I've had mine for 4 years and haven't had a single problem yet

@timothyforce1949

2 жыл бұрын

My wife has a '17 Soul with the 1.6 Turbo Gamma engine. So far it's been a great little engine. Every 15,000 miles I've sent an oil sample to Blackstone, with normal results. No oil dilution, no abnormal readings. Motor stills runs smooth and quiet.

@chachi5596

2 жыл бұрын

4 years ait shit

Hi there. I found this very interesting - Thank You. Seeing this is a Canadian site, I'm trying to find out why my 2012 KIA Forte5 EX 2.0 hasn't been put on the recall list here in Canada? I know Canada has been really slow/behind on getting the recalls out, but I have read & heard others with the same engine have gotten their recalls & some not. Some have even had their engines replaced or tended to (aka installing the knock detection sensor). Also, a class action has started back east & not here in my neck of the woods (I live on the west coast). I can't get an honest answer from KIA (the dealership or KIA Canada) obviously, just "oh you must be one of the lucky ones". This engine issue isn't only the 2.4, this is apparently happening to the 2.0 engines as well!! I know someone who has the sedan of the same year & the same engine as my hatchback & they received their recall notice a few months ago already & their issue seems to be rectified. My car has 92,000 km on it and I have been noticing "ticking" which seems to be getting louder. No oil issues, yet. I feel trapped with this vehicle now as I'm terrified every time I'm out driving it for my safety as well as for others. Also now I can't even sell it with the reputation Hyundai & Kia has right now nor am I in the position to replace it with a new vehicle. Any helpful, intelligent, honest people out there to help me out? Thank You in advance!! BTW - Sorry about the novel

@dantebg100

2 жыл бұрын

"ticking sound" is from the pistons hitting the cylinder walls. ( Noting to do with knock, btw) This engine is garbage bro. You can only fix it with complete engine rebuild. If you are driving like a granny you can maybe get 150 000km, before the engine completely destroy itself

@dantebg100

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/daB7yNiKqMm-lKw.html The sound you are hearing 59:48

@serenitynow8265

2 жыл бұрын

@@dantebg100 Thanks for your input - Unfortunately wish the vid had English subtitles.

What do you think about the 2015 Kia Sedona Engines? It’s the 3.3 V6 engine. I have one that has the timing chain slap at start up. Wondering if it’s worth keeping longer. It’s got 85k miles

Would you replace a motor for jumping time without trying to track what caused the timing to jump? (2012 Hyundai Elantra Limited)

There are many videos in Korean on KZread that explain the failure of the Theta 2 engines. This engine is a design flaw with the connecting rod bearing and the aluminum engine block. Their recall or remedy is to install a new engine and/or a software update for a knock sensor (KSDS), which to me does not make any sense. Hyundai/Kia completely abandoned their GDI engines for their new GDI/MPI engines. In Korea, the new engines already have reports of excessive oil consumption. I know a lot of people who are satisfied with their Hyundai's, so if you plan on getting one either lease it or buy one without the GDI engine (prior 2011 models).

@tigertrail3361

2 жыл бұрын

GDIs are a failure with every manufacturer, isnt it?

@aresv5704

2 жыл бұрын

Also gamma engines present noises that no one knows where the come from(tapping and ticking)

@CHANNEL12021

2 жыл бұрын

I also believe, there is a engine design issues

@SHADOWBONELESS

2 жыл бұрын

But sadly here in Canada, there isn't many pre 2011 Hyundai left..

@joesmith6524

2 жыл бұрын

Right the engine before 2011 was great lot of people with 100 of thousands on them!

Great job explaining the issues and operation of that motor! I was confused by the tear-down on the back porch and using your wife's clothes as rags, but it was pretty nice to see the internals.

@Moondoggy1941

2 жыл бұрын

It didn't want to use his clothes.

Sir, can we remove and replace the hydraulic lash adjusters without removing the timing cover for this engine shown in this video?

Engine breakdown forensics great videos👌🏼💯

Two coworkers that owned a Sportage had the engine seize within 100,000 kms. I thought the first one might be an anomaly but after the second it's obvious Hyundai and Kia are not even close to Japanese cars like we thought.

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Twice

@adoreslaurel

2 жыл бұрын

Are these cars built in America? I can't think of any other reason that there are these problems I see on youtube. Down under, I don't believe there are these problems.

@eugene4817

2 жыл бұрын

I too started wondering a while ago if they are US made engines. Here in Canada the cars come from Korea and we don't seem to have the issue, or at least not a common issue. Wondering if the engines assembly debris was actually a sabotage by factory workers

@adoreslaurel

2 жыл бұрын

@Zero More likely sloppy Yankee build quality.

@marvelv212

2 жыл бұрын

@@adoreslaurel yes this is American issue. Modern Hyundai and Kia in US are made in USA not Korea.

I have two of these engines - 09 Sonata/13 Santa Fe, both run perfect with no issues due to oiling. The engine in your video appears (due to the abnormal amount of corrosion on the aluminium block) a higher mileage engine. The recall issued by Hyundai addresses possible metal debris left in a new engine during the manufacturing process at the US Alabama plant. The question is...how in the world could metal debris left in a engine during manufacturing manifest itself and cause damage at 50k/60k etc miles later? The answer is it would be virtually impossible. The engine took apart in the video failed due to lack of lubrication......all the mains and rod bearings scorched and gouged. This is not a design fault....it is a failure of maintenance. With proper and timely oil changes these engines are very durable. The other issue you mentioned concerns carbon build up on the back side of the intake valves. This is an issue with any GDI engine as no fuel (which is a solvent) ever gets to the back side to clean them which is why some manufactures have started putting an additional injector ahead of the valves like a conventional PFI system to rectify this issue. The other "solution" is to simply clean the intake system with a solvent like CRC on a regular basis and install an oil catch can in the PCV system to reduce the build up of carbon deposits in the first place. (retired ASE Master Tech)

@speedkar99

2 жыл бұрын

Good input thanks

@moephufnik7547

2 жыл бұрын

Hyundai's original defect allocation was IMO BS. Engines have been failing for at least 5 years since 2011

@It5M3Again

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have a 2019 kia sportage with the 2.4 that i bought new. I did the first oil change at around 1500 miles and ive done the rest every 6 months because i dont put 5000 miles on the engine in 6 months so do them ever 6 months instead. It now has 18000 miles on it. I hope it will last a long time.

@MrDadMoo

2 жыл бұрын

You're flat out wrong. It was an issue with metal burrs being left on the edges of the oil passages. After X amount of miles, those burrs would finally break off and cause oil starvation. It's not as if there were metal shavings floating around in the oil when the engines left the plant. Routine maintenance doesn't really play a factor in this recall. It's a machining process design issue.

@dr2644

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrDadMoo Appreciate your reply, however, the scenario you describe would be extremely unlikely.

Very knowledgeable. Great explanations.

great video. I guess the big question is: what are they replacing these with? have they fixed the manufacturing issues? is it a whole, new engine? sorry, that's three questions.

We've had 3 Hyundais. They've all been outstanding! My wife and I commute about 100 miles per day. My 2016 Sonata just flipped 156,000 miles, with zero engine problems! My wife's 2017 Elantra has about 105,000 with no major issues. Everybody I know who owns a Hyundai has never had any substantial engine issues. Title seems a bit misleading. It makes it sound like Hyundais are experiencing engine fails all the time. I'm not seeing this.

@austing4321

2 жыл бұрын

Hyundai makes great cars, it's just the 2011-2014 Sonata and 2013-2018 SF Sports that should be avoided. The rest of their engines are fine, and frankly nearing Honda if you find one with MPI like on the Elantras and Konas. Good to hear the Theta in your 2016 is holding up well though! A lot of these engine issues, even in the "shitty" years come from owners who think they can treat it like they treated their old port-injected V6s of yore which just isn't true for ANY GDI engines. All that said, they were indeed more reliable before 2011 and I wish they would stop trying to be so cutting-edge all the time.

@joerivas9847

2 жыл бұрын

You are lucky then. A person from work, her car's engine bit the dust when it reached 40,000 . ( 2013)

@austing4321

2 жыл бұрын

@@joerivas9847 That was the most problematic generation but even then, 40,000 is REALLY unusual. I'm going to guess she barley changed the oil and used the cheapest possible.

One of our customers had his engine replaced under warranty years ago, now this engine is failing (sets knock code and goes into limp mode thanks to software update) and dealer wont replace that motor. I would stay far away from this car company so you dont get screwed like him.

I just figured that my engine on my 2013 santa fe sports required full engine replacement due to Connecting Rod Bearing issue which is the reason of engine recall ordered by court. I replaced Knock Sensor and not solved an issue with knocking noise then I realized my motor seized up. I have been wondering how it will be looking like for bearing. Thank you so much for the video

2013 KIA Optima owner. Had engine replaced at 130K miles under warranty due to consuming a quart of oil every 400 miles. Was told by dealership engine #2 also comes with lifetime warranty. We'll see if it lasts.