Between his feelings on LOTR, modern anime, and his own son, I'm beginning to wonder if Miyazaki likes anything.

@Game_Hero

3 ай бұрын

"and his own son", ouch

@surfingpenguin2279

3 ай бұрын

Yea the more i learn about Miyazaki the more he seems beta as fuck

@victor_2216

3 ай бұрын

He sounds like someone who doesn't believe in absolute truth, hypocritical of because he believes his own perspective, and upset because America beat Japan because they wouldn't surrender.

@Thundernugget

3 ай бұрын

He's a grumpy old man

@ektran4205

3 ай бұрын

HAYAO is the most famous absentee parent

I think Miyazaki is one of those authors who speaks better through his work than outside of it. In interviews, he's incredibly curmudgeonly, cynical, and almost a nihilist. Yet he produces works that are none of those things-they're full of genuine hope for humanity in the face of long odds, which is precisely what Tolkien put into his works. I think it's okay for artists to be complex and imperfect. We can love Miyazaki's works and not his personality. I tend to find myself in agreement with much of Tolkien's philosophy, but it's also okay for someone to love the world he created and not his own views. Good art pushes past the flaws of its creators.

@sayerglasgow115

3 ай бұрын

I definitely feel that Miazaki's work shows a very different side of him than the one he shows in interviews. I feel perhaps that being cynical and bitter is his knee-jerk response, but when given more time to reflect and create something he really believes in, the person shown is very different.

@turkeygod6665

3 ай бұрын

@@sayerglasgow115 Wow, for some reason to me at 2 am thats a very beautiful way of looking at it. I'm hoping you're right, and Miyazaki's art reflects his actual views more than his interviews.

@EmilReiko

3 ай бұрын

Perhaps his art is his escape from himself

@lProN00bl

3 ай бұрын

Not much different than Tolkien ironically

@r2d2rxr

3 ай бұрын

To be honest I like his grumpy personality. It reminds me of older folks in my life that are very critical of things, I think it’s good to have that balance too in a way

I just love how one of the grumpiest campers ever, who literally hates everything including (but not limited to) his own son, blessed us with movies that feature some of the cutest characters, most lovable and beautiful stories, incredible images and prettiest music and truly snatch and take you away to another world. He is like the inverse of some of those horror movie directors who are total sweethearts irl.

@lucyarque2946

2 ай бұрын

He’s a total tsundere

@animeking17

Ай бұрын

Maybe you don't really understand a person with a few interviews? lol

@amarug

Ай бұрын

@@animeking17 I am sure I don't, that would be impossible. Still you get some directions and flavours lol

@jodofe4879

18 күн бұрын

Het put all of his love into his works, so now he has none left for the world.

@ellie2041

17 күн бұрын

my boyfriend and I had a discussion about this. Apparently many big named creators and artists create art that completely contradicts their character. This is because they get inspiration more from stepping out of their comfort zones, so a person who i

Didn't Miyazaki get asked if he had actually seen Indiana Jones, then replied no? He gives off the impression that he is a contrarian for the sake of being one. Tolkien often gave praise to the authors of works he didn't personally enjoy such as Dune.

@damienasmodeus928

2 ай бұрын

bruh, criticizing the works, one didn't see or read is really anti-intellectual.

@tdotitan8855

Ай бұрын

​@@damienasmodeus928 yeah lmao that is some i saw a youtube short on a ghibli movie and now i have a valid opinion on it level lol. Really goes to show how a lot of creators do get pretentious. I guess thats just what happens when you devote everything to one thing.

@krel3358

Ай бұрын

@@damienasmodeus928 I dont think i need to waste my time reading or watching Twilight to be crititical of it, or in the case of say Harry Potter I grew out of it when i was like 15 and realized how shallow it was.

@bagggers9796

Ай бұрын

@@krel3358 I agree. If you watch a scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark, you've pretty much got the whole picture. It's a fantastic movie but if you don't appreciate what it is, then yeah, you won't like it. Miyazaki simply doesn't appreciate it.

@AdeptKing

20 күн бұрын

​@@krel3358 To an extent I agree. Its perfectly reasonable to look at what something is and if its not a theme or universe that pertains to someone's preferences then of course its fine to just turn away. I also agree someone doesn't need to see or read everything to really gauge how something is. As for being critical I think it depends what "level" of critical you're trying to be towards something(no I am not going to defend Twilight). If someone only looks at one part of a work and then decides to criticize the entire thing and the people who like it without looking at reviews or some other source about it that seems like a big leap.

......bro did Miyasaki even *read* LOTR?

@judeironheart7252

3 ай бұрын

you know, i didnt have anything against this guy, but now I do. One, because LOTR is something beautiful beyond culture or race, and second, because he essentially called me an idiot. :/ way to fall from grace, kill your heroes

@thelettucebarrel7784

3 ай бұрын

I always thought Miyazaki was kind of a pretentious prick.

@gamingchinchilla7323

3 ай бұрын

@@thelettucebarrel7784 well, he was a professor after all, and he was very protective of the english language as well as the art of story telling. Of course he was strict on all things fiction. I'm sure you're well aware of the colorful things he had to say about Disney, especially of their depiction of dwarves in Snow White :B

@thelettucebarrel7784

3 ай бұрын

@@gamingchinchilla7323No, I said Miyazaki, not Tolkien. Unless Miyazaki also did those things then my bad.

@gamingchinchilla7323

3 ай бұрын

@@thelettucebarrel7784 I might've misread you myself. So I should say "my bad" as well. Sometimes certain words and names melt together like that. I'm getting old, lol. still, I was merely making it a point of interest more than targeting your comment.

Tolkien: Loves son. Miyazaki: Thinks son is a disappointment despite trying to follow in his footsteps. Maybe Miyazaki is just a cranky ass.

@ElectroPotato

3 ай бұрын

Miyazaki is just an asian dad.

@70n24

3 ай бұрын

Son must follow son's own steps, not his father's

@golDroger88

3 ай бұрын

And now look at Tolkien's grandchildren...

@darthvadeth6290

3 ай бұрын

Toeken fanboys going wild in the comments with the ad hominem attacks just because somebody dares to not like LoTR, lmao

@GustavoSilva-ny8jc

3 ай бұрын

Regular asian parent be like: "You're a FAILURE"

I think Miyazaki's statements reveal more about himself than about Tolkien's work. I can't understand how one could see Asians in orcs, but when you're fixated on a certain point, you're able to see all sorts of things everywhere. The truth is that The Lord of the Rings is full of subtle Christian motifs: personal evil, the battle of good versus evil, the significant role of hope, temptation as a moral trial, etc. And I believe that this is the main reason for the disdain towards The Lord of the Rings. Miyazaki has repeatedly expressed his disgust for Christian aesthetics.

@Sir_Adam

2 ай бұрын

Typical atheist.

@Padrino_Tommy

2 ай бұрын

well Japans known a little about christianity in their masses its ok Miyazaki dont see christian references cause he dont knowing about it.

@Thekeninger

2 ай бұрын

​@@Padrino_Tommy I'm not talking about Japan, but about Miyazaki. He is not a fool. He knows Western philosophy and he is simply disgusted by the cross. “Torture symbolism Christ is repulsive, I’d go insane having to look at it every day. I am glad to be Buddhist with calming Guanyin...” He sees the cross only as a symbol of torture, not as a sacrifice made out of love.

@mamsf3

Ай бұрын

I agree, he seems very biased. Considering where Tolkien is from and the time he wrote the books one could easily ascertain Sauron and Mordor to Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia but I guess that wouldn't be racist so. Also, it makes even more sense if he dislikes Christianity. Japanese have this philosophy where they believe we as humans are capable of anything if we try hard enough, a theme seen in many animes but apparently venerating the most supreme act of selflessness which is self-sacrifice is disgusting. Fact is, like in LOTR, more often than not there is an enemy, and that enemy is people, under the influence of ignorance or misguidance matters not. The LOTR universe is fictional. If you want to see asians in orcs or africans in goblins I guess you are free to do so. So the british are men, the elves must be swedes, the hobbits are swiss and who are the dwarves? The greek? Lol.

@1eyeddevil929

Ай бұрын

Man would hate Eiji Tsuburaya I guess

Its very strange that Miyazaki would have such a hateboner for lord of the rings and how it "glorifies" war, considering that, while Im fairly positive Miyazaki never took part in any conflicts, only saw the outcome of it, and how his fathers business of making airplanes worked out, Tolkein served in the trenches of one of the two worst wars in all of human history, saw many of his friends and comrades die, and was eternally scarred by the experience. Lord of the Rings was never meant to glorify war, the orcs are representations of good men(or elves) twisted and perverted into caricatures of their once good selves and predisposed towards the hatred and destruction of all things good or peaceful. They are much more the representation of what happens when good men go to war and are twisted by their leaders into weapons, killing machines that abandon all morality. Tolkein hated war, probably more than Miyazaki does, for what it does to good people, for how it inspires such hatred and mistrust, and he had a front row seat for it. I think Miyazaki just needs to not be such a curmudgeonly old coot tbh. I mean Tolkein was too, he notoriously hated anything that infantilized fantasy or myth. But Miyazaki is just a grumpy old man.

@ExelArts

26 күн бұрын

dude miyazaki isnt grumpy hes a dick called his own son a disappointment

@RyanRoemer8624

21 күн бұрын

It's his opinion dude let it go

@slivka_1

18 күн бұрын

Miyazaki has great respect for Tolkien and loves Hobbit, he even recommended it. In his quote he meant that the book was better than the film in portraying this aspect. This is just a wrong interpretation!

@KOTEBANAROT

10 күн бұрын

@@RyanRoemer8624 i mean if the interpretation is correct, then Miyazaki is kind of a hypocrite considering his many, many, many depictions of warfare and especially nazi tanks in a positive to neutral light. For the record I don't really care about either Miyazaki or Tolkien

@ardyisdeniralg9147

7 күн бұрын

Tolkien hated Dune with passion, but he never said anything about it because he respected Frank Herbert as someone with the same profession. Only after his death we knew that he hated Dune. So, yeah, Miyazaki is just being grumpy old man lol

What is the shortest list in the world? The list of things Miyazaki likes

@f.b.l.9813

3 ай бұрын

himself

@sb12083

3 ай бұрын

Planes and little girls

@theguy4223

3 ай бұрын

Akira Kurosawa

@drearmouse9510

3 ай бұрын

​@@sb12083 LOL! God dammit.. that one got me. xD

@NeostormXLMAX

2 ай бұрын

@@sb12083 uooohhhhh

Miyazaki being a grumpy old boomer who both hates and loves pre WW2 Japan is just his MO. He's a contrarian who never grew out of it.

@carlosalbuquerque22

3 ай бұрын

Whine and cry harder

@Zed-fq3lj

3 ай бұрын

a narrow-minded hack...and a sore loser, nostalgic of imperial Japan (which committed crimes inconceivable even to the nazis!!!)

@seto_kaiba_

3 ай бұрын

So-like a Japanese Tolkein then. lol.

@dylanc9174

3 ай бұрын

​@@seto_kaiba_ Tolkien had ideals. He was not a contrarian.

@IbnRushd-mv3fp

3 ай бұрын

@dylanc9174 wasn't he kinda trad cath?

Should be called "Miyazaki does not understand LOTR, because he was traumatized by being born into WW2 Japan". Seriously it sounds like people who try to insert communism/capitalism debates into stories like Robin Hood, completely missing the part of the story that's firmly asserts the righteousness of a "true king"

@daniellichtenstein7541

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be too surprised if it were Miyazaki's comments that are quoted by agenda driven people to explain why Tolkien is somehow racist. I've heard that a lot lately, and I'm a little tired of it.

@DimT670

2 ай бұрын

but why tho? Its fundamentally a political statement at its heart and tolkiens work is heavily influenced by the english royalty and empire. You dont hey to take a whole part of a story and go "it means nothing" it doesnt work that way. And its not like lotr is a storybook fable or smth, tho even then the obsession with monarchy is worth examining

@Nagrom

2 ай бұрын

Miyazaki only sees the world through a narrow Japanese lens, he refuses to even attempt to see things from others' perspectives. He seems very ignorant and bitter.

@ZombieLicorice

2 ай бұрын

@Nagrom maybe for the best though? While I love the access to the world we have in modern times, I worry that in my lifetime we will lose the cultural differences that make foreign places different. I feel sorry for Miyazaki, but I don't wish he had a different perspective because I think it's his japanese point of view that has given us all his awesome movies

@Turmaicatan

Ай бұрын

Dude. Stop talking. You're trying to find something where there is nothing. Have you read Tolkien's works or just LOTR? There is the Silmarillion, The Hobbit, Morgoth's Ring, Unfinished Tales, The Fall of Gondolin and so on and so forth. Which all cover thousands of years before LOTR. Lord of the Rings is a epic high fantasy story, in which Aragorn is from a long line of Kings, all related to the first King of Numenor, Elrond's brother, Elros. After the fall of Arnor in the North to the Witch-King of Angmar, Aragorn's ancestors became the Dunedain chieftains and Gondor lost its King, by any logic, Aragorn is the heir rightfully but you have to keep in mind, he only became King because of the War of the Ring happening and the Fellowship forming to destroy the Ring. You're also forgetting how the LOTR is about hope, friendship, accepting one day we're all going to die, fighting against darkness and such. There is very little to suggest it is heavily influenced by Empire or Monarchy. It has heavy medieval vibes so Kingdoms are normal for that, it also takes big influences from the Anglo-Saxons, Goths, Finnish, Jewish people, Christianity, Beowulf, The Kalevala, Völsunga saga, Temple of Nodens, Germanic mythology, the First World War which he fought in, moments from his real life and so on. to water it down to " heavily influenced by the english royalty and empire" is a weak statement. His works are hardly political, you're just trying to find a reason to make it so.

One of my favourite things about the LOTR books was that the story didn't just end straight after the moment of triumph when Sauron was defeated. The book took it's time to allow all members of the Fellowship to gradually return to their homes as above all else that is what they were fighting for. Then it went on to show that whilst some members of the fellowship were able to return home and live there happily, other's couldn't. Samwise made the best of his situation, fell in love and created a family, for Samwise the return was a beautiful thing. But for Frodo, who started out as the most pure, kind, genuine and innocent hero basically ever in literature, even with all his promise and natural gifts he was irrevocably changed from what he had seen and done from the burden of his role. So whilst he made it back and protected what he sought to protect, he was so changed by his experience that he couldn't enjoy his prize. And although it's never mentioned, because he wasn't a selfish or jealous person, one can only imagine the torment of watching everybody else around you carry on as though everything is alright whilst internally you feel so displaced and miserable. So even when he would make merry with his friends, taking care of his hut and writing his stories he no longer had the same mindset as he did when he started the journey. And gradually The Shire became a difficult place to be for him, constantly reminding him of just how changed he was and how much he wished he wasn't. That is basically as blatant a commentary on the loss of innocence and the potential loss of self to the ravages of war as Tolkien could have possibly written. So for Miyazaki to read all that and somehow genuinely believe that LOTR glorified war is straight up baffling, especially as he comes across as so thoughtful and perceptive in his story telling. And it wasn't just Frodo who struggled, Bilbo did too, and in the end both of them desired to 'go into the undying lands' with their friends as that is where they felt most understood, that is where they believed they could heal. It's literally saying the pair of them wanted to go to heaven to be reunited with their fallen comrades as they are the only one's who could understand them and who they can relate to. Aside from stating all that as literally as I just did I don't know how Tolkien could have made war's terrible burden any clearer.

@vivs9314

Ай бұрын

Exactly. One of the most powerful and prominent “themes”, if you will, are PTSD and depression in LOTR. It amazes me how Miyazaki dumbed the story, written by an actual war vet, down to “war glorification”.

@blue-guy333

13 күн бұрын

the movies didnt end after the fight either

Even if Miyazaki only watched the movies, I think it was still pretty obvious that LoTR was not glorifying war. Literally everyone except Mordor didn't want to go to war, all the characters had a "why now? why me?" sentiment when facing war, especially quotes like Aragorn's "Open war is upon you, whether you would risk it or not" and Sam's speech in Osgiliath.

@Fridaey13txhOktober

3 ай бұрын

Who truly does glorify war, tho?

@sephirothcrescent5768

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, i highly doubt Hayao Miyazaki even said those things so i think, the guy that is doing the video is lying or was lied to, and made the video based on a lie that supposedly Miyazaki said those things, he would need to interview Hayao Miyazaki himself in order to know the real full on truth.

@Ark1437

3 ай бұрын

@nomickike2165 There's one problem with that, all three movies were being filmed at the same time with each being released about a year a part from one another. The Fellowship of the Ring came out in December 2001, barely 3 months after the event of 9/11 and they had begun filming the trilogy between October 1999 - December 2000. At that point there wasn't much that could be done, plus the 2nd book, The Two Towers was it's name from the moment it was published as a trilogy back in 1954. So... I see no desire to make propoganda, just an unfortunate coincidence that was unavoidable considering the effort that already put into making them, unless they actively changed the title but that would've been strange considering they're adaptations of a beloved work.

@Ark1437

3 ай бұрын

@nomickike2165 Except that the Lord of the Rings book trilogy was already a cultural phenomenon when it released in the 1950's. Over the course of decades it became a springboard for hundreds of fantasy authors to write their own works that were heavily inspired by Tolkein's Middle-Earth, such as; Forgotten Realms, DragonLance, Sword of Shannara, Belgariad, Discworld, Harry Potter, The Dark Tower, etc. The movies did provide an explosion of popularity in the early 2000's but the books had a massive influence long before their inception. I'm a little confused to your reasoning on why you say "why the studio suddenly decided to fund more of them" as the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy was funded and filmed together so there was no time between the movies where separate funding was possible outside of editors and shots that were taken between 2001-2003 for last minute edits. Also, there was no further movies made for the Lord of the RIngs until 2011 with The Hobbit trilogy but this was long after the hype for the LOTR movies had died down along with any potential association with 9/11 that you seem to be claiming. Honestly, I think this take is a bit ridiculous considering all of the context provided but if you want to continue believing this then you do you I suppose...

@Lord_Numpty

3 ай бұрын

Not to mention the quote by Faramir (in the books by Sam) upon seeing a dead Haradrim. "It was Sam's view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart or what lies or threats had led him on the long March from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace." kzread.info/dash/bejne/gIqkpceKoc_blps.htmlsi=NFYxe0I1ggji-jzJ

Tolkien unlike Miyazaki actually fought in a war most notably at the battle of the Somme which was hell on earth and a miracle if you managed to survived it. When he wrote Sam's thoughts on the dead enemy soldier it was Tolkien's own thoughts we are reading of the many dead enemy he encountered and killed to live himself. Its easy to be virtuous when someone isn't in your face trying to kill you as the battle fields are full of dead saints. You'll find saints are in short supply in peacetime.

@themadmallard

3 ай бұрын

this is probably the biggest rebuke to level against Miyazaki's shallow criticisms. Not because the part about virtue, but because Miyazaki is somewhat classist in his views that the audience is stupid for liking something. Does Miyazaki make such shallow criticism without knowing that Tolkien fought in war? If he did not know, then he made such unsophisticated remarks about a man whom he should be able to share in the trauma of war over, because fighting in a war is only a degree of separation away from being a civilian in a war zone. Or, did he make such remarks and knew that he was a soldier? That would make him a rather.... ugly and unsympathetic person to have laid such a charge at Tolkien's feet about his works.

@dripstein5068

3 ай бұрын

perfectly put and its why we need more warrior poets. Weakness in the modern man has feminized them to the max, and they no longer have a grasp on how the real world works

@ifyouloveChristyouwillobeyhim

3 ай бұрын

@dripstein5068 Hello, fellow John Lowell fan. :)

@ifyouloveChristyouwillobeyhim

3 ай бұрын

Wow. Beautifully well-put.

@gabrielislas9273

3 ай бұрын

@@dripstein5068 Set the example and go to Ukraine to fight so you can come back as a warrior, but how you will come back will probably be in a box or with a mutilated limb.

Miyazaki was corrupted by Sauron despite the best efforts of the blue wizards

@Armored_Ariete

2 ай бұрын

lmaoooooooooo

@meid9158

Ай бұрын

good one XD he became one of Sauron's thralls

@kunalfadtare2056

Ай бұрын

That point made miyazaki's point even stronger. The western wizards 'purifying' easterners sounds like a justification for colonialism.

@renegadedalek5528

Ай бұрын

@@kunalfadtare2056 yes introducing science, engineering, abolition of slavery, impartial judicial process and things like sanitation and democracy are damaging to the well being of all peoples.

@veezhang4678

Ай бұрын

​@@renegadedalek5528such a beautiful introduction. killing millions and degumanizing all that dont look white. eat those shit you mentioned. you wouldnt even spark your renaissance without the eastern invention of gun powder

Tolkien's experiences and wisdom, as well as the fact that he was a linguist more than a writer, seems to have resulted in him having a far better grasp on reality than most modern writers and artists.

@intenzityd3181

9 күн бұрын

He was on a completely different level of intellect, creativity, and bravery quite frankly compared to modern fiction writers. I don't think Tolkien would have anything pleasant to say about anime, and the state of the "men" who watch it is all that need be observed.

@tezz2698

9 күн бұрын

@@intenzityd3181 Now you're being incredibly close minded. Anime is a VERY broad medium.

@machirim2805

2 күн бұрын

@@intenzityd3181 If by anime you mean isekai, then yeah, Tolkien would probably condemn it.

3:35 The Rambo franchise evolved into action movie fodder, however the first Rambo, that is "First Blood" was very much a statement on PTSD and negative treatment of returning soldiers. I don't see how anybody could watch Stalone's ending monolog at the end of first blood and dismiss Rambo as some murderous action movie

@IIARROWS

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I find the chosen example extremely bad. But in reality, the critique to war and war crimes never left the franchise, especially in the latest.

@tablat1651

2 ай бұрын

This might be the only smart comment in the entire video.

@GroundbreakGames

2 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@KPW2137

2 ай бұрын

Also, Hollywood often indeed does glorify the US Military, or shows wars in a very simple, nearly glorified perspective. However, the same Hollywood does produce movies that are very anti-war, not glorifying the US and pretty much being on the other end of the spectrum. It is not that simple.

@Channel-23s

2 ай бұрын

Even in the later films it was against conflict and Rambo was nihilistic too

Let's get some Korean and Chinese opinions of Japanese history and ethnic attitudes 😅

@Gypsygeekfreak17

3 ай бұрын

And Indonesia and Philippines

@lizardlord4k

3 ай бұрын

Miyazaki isn't a very big fan of his own country either, and is very outspoken about it.

@thedukeofchutney468

3 ай бұрын

Hey don’t leave out the American perspective. Never forget… they touched our boats.

@Rakotino

3 ай бұрын

Hahahaha

@annavafeiadou4420

3 ай бұрын

exactly

Miyazaki exemplifies a very specific strain of Japanese thought which is convinced of its superiority but forced to grapple with the nation's near total military, economic, and cultural subjugatation by a barbarian nation. He can't rationally deny that Japan was the aggressor or that America won so he settles for an invented moral superiority where his peaceful rural protagonist live in harmony with nature before modern industrial warmongers attack them unprovoked.

Felt like pointing out something possibly wrong with this Miyazaki quote : "If you read the original work, you'll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans." Let's say that we do want to make that link to real life. Tolkien was a war veteran, a lieutenant of the British empire, and he fought one foe : The germans, in World War 1. So really it would be germans here. But anyway, even though I've seen other people point out that orcs may be a reference to the mongols/turkicc people. I don't think Tolkien was really going for real world comparison with the armies of Sauron.

@belnonaodh1520

3 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure Tolkein himself refuted any analogy to the Second World War, or any real life analogy at all, decades ago, which adds to your point even more.

@meneither3834

3 ай бұрын

@@belnonaodh1520 He fought in the first WW not the second. But anyway yes I agree, the conflict Tolkien wrote is more inspired from Genesis than any real world event.

@user-lk4ge3ns2g

Ай бұрын

it's complicated. short answer: yes, armies of sauron carry a lot of eastern cultural flavor with all of that naming and battle elephants and all, but miyazaki reasoning may be way off

@opticalraven1935

Ай бұрын

He wasn't. Nobe of his works is a reflection of this world. If people are drawing parallels where there are none, that's on them

@user-lk4ge3ns2g

Ай бұрын

@@opticalraven1935 he gathered a lot of inspiration from real folklore, and as such from a real cultures as well. there is CLEAR eastern inspirations in mordor allied cultures, it is undeniable. i can agree that i don't know about WWII. that is probably a huge stretch

Miyazaki, every time I watch a documentary or learn of his world views or learn if his family life; I find that he makes wholesome works of art that champion nature and life, but then fails in any way to live out personally.

@boeloevanboeloefontein

3 ай бұрын

Hypocrisy and self-righteousness often go hand-in-hand.

@Fridaey13txhOktober

3 ай бұрын

@@boeloevanboeloefontein Unlike having an idea and carrying it out.

@boeloevanboeloefontein

3 ай бұрын

@@Fridaey13txhOktober Miyazaki certainly seems to be living proof of that.

@cjr-en4wr

3 ай бұрын

because he called out a clearly racist text??

@reddevilsunited_2060

3 ай бұрын

​@@cjr-en4wr racist text ?

I like how Miyuzaki talks about allegory in lord of the rings when Tolkien has gone on record to state that his work is neither allegorical nor topical, Tolkien hates those.

@HuntingTarg

3 ай бұрын

Not entirely accurate. Tolkien professed a dislike of allegory (he didn't think Lewis should have published _The Chronicles of Narnia_ in their final form, or _The Great Divorce_ ), but from what I understand went on record as follows: " _The Lord of the Rings_ is not allegory about atomic power, but is allegory about Power."

@ironbaysqiureg4827

3 ай бұрын

​ @HuntingTarg It's not an allegory it's literally just the story about it. Story says power bad does not mean it's some kind of elaborate thinng when literally it says it.

@domainmojo2162

2 ай бұрын

Most authors hate each other's work. Tolkien hated Herbert's "Dune", Miyasaki hated Tolkien's LOTR... it's natural. Its not about what you say about your work.. its about what others think of it. What you say or attempt to do, might not be the outcome. For instance.. Hitler said he his works were good and laid out the reasons why. WE don't see it that way. Just because Tolkien says this, does not mean that's what others see- and sometimes, they are right.

@Yo_Cami

Ай бұрын

Most of the authors didn't hate, they just didn't like the story and the vision of some story. People like to create beef between authors. Yep, Tolkien didn't love Dune a more nihilistic story than LOTR and it is ok.

@domainmojo2162

Ай бұрын

@@Yo_Cami Not saying it's not okay. That's all good. It leads to intersting life decisions. I do think they all need a good slap on the side of the head, with Time Travel though- to wake them up, cause they muddy around in the dark introducing and attempting to fix the problems of Destiny/Fate/Prescience, etc... When Time Travel can spare so much self-inflicted suffering and drama. A few tweaks here and there... and we're set! It won't make for "interesting" reading though cause we have a lot of imaginary masochists out there.

Miyazaki having a huge persecution complex against the West, while nothing new, is satisfying to hear people learn about him.

@isodoublet

18 күн бұрын

Is it really a complex when his country remains occupied to this day? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@TheEchosofOuroboros

15 күн бұрын

​@isodoublet yea it's weird and hypocritical considering the war crimes they committed and refuse to acknowledge. I think the rest of the world collectively "roll their eyes" now when we encounter this subtle bigotry and weird gaslighting. It's getting old and I feel the rest of the world just knows better japanese , so I am noticing the icky deep lore from Japan, in particular the Anime (looking at you hentai omfg), is coming out. But I get it. Japanese soft power is sick. I personally love Japanese culture. But this racist and victim complex is getting mega old and really sours my enjoyment of their media. Especially since creators like Miyazaki keep saying gross shit or acting like huge aholes.

@isodoublet

15 күн бұрын

@@TheEchosofOuroboros Again. Is it really a complex when his country remains occupied to this day?

@nikklon3401

13 күн бұрын

⁠@@isodoublet yea it is

@isodoublet

13 күн бұрын

@@nikklon3401 Really? The man with a boot on his neck going "get the boot off my neck" has a complex? That's what you're going with?

That was perhaps the most polite way of saying that Miyazaki criticized and disliked the LOTR without really knowing what he was talking about, adding to his reputation as an ultracrepidarian and a bigot 😂

He didn’t have to call fans who know the books better than he does “idiots” Just as well, Tolkien was very harsh to other writers and creators. Even if he resonated with the themes present in most of Miyazaki, he’d find something to critique.

@carlosalbuquerque22

3 ай бұрын

Finally someone who sees Tolkien as a flawed and complex person and not get offended on his behalf

@edwardperkins1225

3 ай бұрын

At least Tolkien wouldn't give an "oh that's racist", critique.

@nostalji75

3 ай бұрын

@@carlosalbuquerque22 pretty hypocritical from someone who clearly got offended on Myazakis behalf. You litterally responded stuff like "Whine harder" and other critism lacking any arguements. This the opposite of constructive critisms. Its more like you know complaining or whining. Ofc Tolkien was flawed like every human. Yet what he created deserves respect. Same goes for Myazakis work and ideas. How one feels about the other might give interesting insight, but doesn't matter really. It doesn't change the fact that we talk of two creative geniusses. And two humans who have their flaws, but I admire both for what they created or in Myazakis case still creates.

@infrared337

3 ай бұрын

@@carlosalbuquerque22 Bro you say that while at the same time respond to any criticism comment on Myazaki here as if you got offended.

@kayzee3595

3 ай бұрын

But he is right. Fans of tolkien do not posses a good functioning intelligence. 😂😂😂

When you look at the geography of the Silmarillion, the North-West = Good vs. South-East=Evil thing starts falling apart anyways. Melkor had his fortress Angband in the north.Thus, Evil naturally came from the north for centuries of the first age. Cuiviénen, the awakening place of the Elves, was very far in the east.

@metakarukenshi

3 ай бұрын

gotta keep in mind thats extended lore, I doubt Miyazaki read the books. he watched the films and didnt like it. cause the films are just Men of the west good, East bad if you dont pay attention

@green_of_grey

3 ай бұрын

@@metakarukenshiDoes Miyazaki know that "East in Arda" does not mean, east side of the world (according to modern conventions) as it currently is? I find it hilarious that you guys are trying to solve "the problem" by saying "Evil naturally came from the north" as if Angband is not east of Aman. So, icelanders are the source of evil now then lmao? This is kinda stupid.

@doublejacketjimmy391

3 ай бұрын

@@metakarukenshi Well its his perspective that he presents as a fact which is a problem.

@kolbywilliams7234

3 ай бұрын

Not only that, but Sauron sets up within Dol Guldur, which is smack in the middle of Middle Earth during the Hobbit. The Easterlings and Haradrim are either manipulated or enslaved. Tolkien did not make villains out of them, but they are antagonists. It’s sophisticated and nuanced storytelling. Miyazaki isn’t really known for that.

@hamsolo5320

3 ай бұрын

​@@doublejacketjimmy391He didn't present it as fact, it's his opinion and things have nuance and perspective.

Miyazaki's point is just plain flimsy from whichever way you look at it. His own works have never portrayed Western (or any non-Japanese in my experience) cultures in a good light, but he wants to play that card against Tolkein? Tolkein himself even shut down the theories that his stories were based on real world events, and specifically the second world war, very vehemently, likely before Miyazaki even read or saw the stories.

@vornamenachname594

Ай бұрын

you view the world though a lens of "fairness". You probably call people hypocrites often. Miyazaki is simply taking a side and it is his good right. There's no contradiction in disliking someone's work for showing your culture in a bad light, while you show their culture in a bad one also.

@igorlopes7589

Ай бұрын

​@vornamenachname594 The thing is that Tolkien explicitly said the Easterlings weren't some allegory for asians. And if you think numenoreans were portrayed as the good guys you definitively didn't read the Silmarillion...

bro I swear Miyazaki sometimes sounds like the most active user of twitter

Sam's questioning the moral of the Southron's death really hits home. Tolkien being a veteran of war himself probably saw a lot of death on the field and asked those same questions of every dead man he saw. Foe or friend. edit: fixed - Dead man was not an Easterling but a Southron as mentioned by @bohunkmusic9473

@fmsyntheses

3 ай бұрын

The way Boromir dies in the book always struck me as probably being drawn from something Tolkien experienced. Aragorn is just talking to him about what happened, Boromir is leaving some things out, then he asks him something very rote, I think just if he knows where Frodo went. He happens to look away for a second when he asks this, and when he looks back, Boromir is gone.

@kolbywilliams7234

3 ай бұрын

Tolkien was at the battle of the Somme, one of the most dangerous and bloodiest battles in WW1. Almost, if not all, of Tolkien’s closest friends died in that war, some of them in that battle. We know for a fact he saw death, even though he never liked talking about it very much.

@lesath7883

3 ай бұрын

The orcs launching decapitated heads to Minas Tirith is directly taken from scare tactics from WW1. He lost friends in WW1. And he lost a son during WW2. That loss influences the sense of loss and melancholy permeating through LotR.

@Watcher_2244

3 ай бұрын

He was a grunt as I recall in Somme, aka the WW1 Slaughterhouse that lasted for MONTHS, you dont walk away from something like that without affecting you in someway.

@fmsyntheses

3 ай бұрын

@@Watcher_2244 He was an officer, but that's no less true.

He likes the Hobbit, tho. He included it in a list of his fav children’s books

@AimForMyHead81

3 ай бұрын

Source?

@richardbrooks5899

3 ай бұрын

Naturally, it's Tolkein's best book.

@DIEGhostfish

3 ай бұрын

A lot of his coworkers at Ghibli cut their teeth on the Rankin Bass hobbit adaptation.

@PC-tan

3 ай бұрын

​@@DIEGhostfish What does that mean exactly?

@DIEGhostfish

3 ай бұрын

@@PC-tan I mean before Ghibli was founded most of them worked at the studio Rankin-bass outsourced animation for The Hobbit and Return of the King to

In Portuguese there is an idiomatic expression "vestir a carapuça", freely translated as wear the hood, which describes an attitude of someone who takes the pain in a discussion or argument not originally intended for him.

I feel like that Miyazaki's points are more arguments against Peter Jackson than against Tolkien.

Many people don't understand that orcs are not based in non-europeans but in the other hand, the easterlings and haradrim are but it's established that since the start of the first age, Morgoth and Sauron enslave them.

@laisphinto6372

3 ай бұрын

Also sauron Had more Humans besides the easterlings serving him

@ArawnOfAnnwn

3 ай бұрын

Painting the east as victims rather than evil incarnate isn't all that much better. This is the very same thinking that animated the so-called 'white man's burden' (whose cultural echoes remain to this day, shorn of its overt racism) and the very goal of Christian missionaries and western-idealizing reformists. It still isn't admitted that the east can be every bit as legitimate and wise and virtuous as the west supposedly is.

@sanmartinovallevictorjuven5187

3 ай бұрын

@@laisphinto6372 Sauron unified almost all the people's of the world against middle earth, making them worship him as their God-King. Something curious about it is that Tolkien said that most of Rhun and Harad forces didn't respond to Sauron's call when the War of the Ring started due to the influence left behind by the blue wizards.

@sanmartinovallevictorjuven5187

3 ай бұрын

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Why? It humanizes them, especially when Sam reflects about their purpose in this war. The story is centered in middle earth, one can't explore everything at once, of course there could be easterlings and southerners that could be virtuous and wise but it's very likely that those people are the ones who had chosen to remain in their lands and resist Sauron rather than join his evil forces.

@richardbrooks5899

3 ай бұрын

Gondor literally colonized both of them.

You did an amazing job defending Tolkien while simultaneously being compassionate and understanding to Miyazaki. Really beautifully done. Loved this video.

@InkandFantasy

3 ай бұрын

Thank you it means a lot!!!

@hotumupix

3 ай бұрын

Yeah defending the racism of Tolkien more like. Especially when you view the east as corrupted and so will benefit from some colonialism. 7:42

@ajb117

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@hotumupix wah wah wah cry harder.

@cloudmonte4406

3 ай бұрын

@@hotumupix you're right, and it's happening in the real world. How certain media and news propaganda work, it's changing a little with people waking up, but it's undeniably still there...

@etistone

3 ай бұрын

​@@hotumupixToday, and at the time of Tolkien, the east is coming to us, not the other way around, so even if in his books was a reference to that, then why should we feel bad about it?

I love Ghibli and I respected Miyazaki man, from themes of coming of age in Kiki to nature vs man in Princess Mononoke, I looked up to him as the father of anime film and anime classics, the one who gave many across the globe their childhood anime, including me. He basically made the Japanese version of Disney (pre-3D animation) and restored that magical moment for us that was gradually lost ever since the 80s-90s. I looked up to him even as both a weeb who's been enjoying manga and anime for about a decade now and an aspiring author-artist who wants to write my own novels, short stories, manga/comics, and create films (especially anime) of my own. But I am also absolutely in love with high fantasy, and world building, and messages of hope and redemption and light and absolute truth, that there always is good in this world despite the darkness and evils. That is what Tolkien created, a beautiful and magical experience in his Lord of the Rings. I absolutely adored LotR and look up to Tolkien in as much as I do to Hayao Miyazaki (alongside other notable Japanese creators such as Eichiiro Oda), and with Tolkien's fellow Westerner authors like Herbert and Orwell (as you can notice by now, I am absolutely in love with the fantastical, world building, and grand storytelling, from the magical, beautiful world of LotR, and the sci-fi world and allegory of Dune, to the gritty and crushing politics of 1984). But this LotR slander I will not let slide. I absolutely love LotR as much as I revere Tolkien himself, and my great love for Ghibli movies will never cease simply because I disapprove of Miyazaki's personal opinions; I continue to respect his craft as a creator and wish to emulate his success in writing, but beyond that I will not approve of his obviously wrong takes about Tolkien and will certainly not accept LotR slander!

@slivka_1

18 күн бұрын

Miyazaki has great respect for Tolkien and loves Hobbit, he even recommended it. In his quote he meant that the book was better than the film in portraying this aspect. This is just a wrong interpretation! Watch Archie talks Anime video on this.

Except Tolkien isn't talking about the corrupt NATO / State Department apparatus' war interests, he's talking about the actual future of the West, its people, and its way of life. Regardless of what a Japanese person has to say about it, we in the West will continue to advocate for the preservation of our culture and way of life, thank you very much.

@somerandommen

14 күн бұрын

Tolkien believed the constant nationalistic "muh culture" is what makes that culture fail. That's why he opposed the East broadly, because they're doing the same thing you're doing. The entire point of the Race of Men is that they're a single a race. The Race of Men are only great when they embrace that fact.

Great authors don’t all need to love each other, and fans don’t need to dislike something just because their favorite author does. Tolkien famously disliked Dune, and Frank Herbert disliked Star Wars. Every author offers a unique perspective, some you’ll agree with and some you won’t. No art is universally loved or beyond criticism, nor should it be.

@anonymousgoblin792

3 ай бұрын

Whole heartedly agree. No one is saying he needs to agree with everyone. But when his argument for not liking something is built upon total hypocritical bs, then yeah people are gonna call him out on it. I’ve seen tons of comments here point out the objective flaws to his way of thinking. If he didn’t like it just becuase he didn’t like it, that’s one thing. But to say stuff like how Orcs are racist caricatures of people is a straight up false statement.

@Sun_Simp

3 ай бұрын

Most Manga creators hate Comics and Cartoons, they just use the "Tatemae", which is extreme politeness, something Miyazaki does not gives a fuck about.

@UlsterHound77

3 ай бұрын

While yes, Miyazaki is in the unique camp of just genuinely hating everything. Hates anime, hates LOTR, hates his son, hates America, hates modern Japan. The dude has nothing but hate and anger.

@jesustovar2549

3 ай бұрын

One example of this in classical music, Claude Debussy had really unpopular opinions on Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn and Brahms, he loved Wagner but then moved on, while mantaining certain influence, he LOVED Bach as well as other authors from past centuries like Couperin or Rameau, even Palestina. Sometimes these people sound like the most complicated beings, but they are in the medium, artists are very complicated people, sometimes you might love his work while not his views or who they are.

@abstr4ct_c0nt3nt

3 ай бұрын

​@@Sun_Simp What's "Tatemae"?

Tolkien: [Writes about the forces of good prevailing over hordes of cruel barbaric irredeemably evil foes] Miyazaki: 'It's anti Asian discrimination'

@adrianrodriguez8503

3 ай бұрын

Very evil, but not irredeemable, Tolkien said so himself.

@rockonpurification

3 ай бұрын

Anti-Asian discrimination? Miyazaki doesn't speak for the rest of us Asians after his people (the Imperial era, not today's modern era) committed terrible atrocities to the other Asian countries, including mine. I do not hate Miyazaki, and I was a fan of him and still a fan of most of his movies, but because of this, my opinion about him is now lower.

@craigthebrute8932

3 ай бұрын

​@@rockonpurification belive it or not, Miyazaki said hated the Japanese imperialism by hearing what the Japanese army have done to chinese people. But yeah, he's kind of a hypocrite like Alan More. Princess Mononoke literally have the protagonists dismember heads and arms from samurais.

@letmedoit8095

3 ай бұрын

@@craigthebrute8932Hey, genuinely interested why you say that Alan More is a hypocrite. I read his 'V for Vendetta', but I don't know much about his political views, apart from what I can read on Wikipedia.

@hamsolo5320

3 ай бұрын

​@@boraicho6144Miyazaki himself is very critical and hated the Japanese imperial army. You shouldn't call someone hypocrite without knowing in details yourself. Just because he is Japanese himself doesn't mean he supported the war by his own government.

This man was born in a country that worshiped its Emperor as a living God... if you want to look at pure racism, the Empire of Japan was on equal footing with their Axis power allies. The emperor of Japan and his little Nazi friends thought that the United States could never win a war against them because we are a country of half breeds. There's a racist here, but it wasn't Tolkien

@maniravsadhur8409

2 ай бұрын

Indeed! I am always baffled by the fact that the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki somehow totally erased what Japan did during WW2. People seem to ignore that the Japanese killed about 6 million civilians in South-East Asia, which puts the country on par with its wartime Nazi ally. I love today's Japan, I am an admirer of the Japanese culture, but this revisionist narrative has to stop. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrifying, but not more that the killing of millions of people at the hands of the Japanese. Japan has no lessons to give to anyone.

@fsdsdf7693

2 ай бұрын

How is it relevant what country he was born in? Tolkien was born into a country that spread slavery, famine and war into every corner of the world for centuries before WW2. Therefore he should shut the f up about war, evil and he should stop crying about how bad WW1 was for him -> your logic. Also it's no secret that compared to Germany and Japan, Anglo countries(most especially the US) worship their military and soldiers. Its a natural side effect of coming out of WW2 as victors. In post war Germany the US was also very unpopular for that among many people especially anti war pacifists like miyazaki seems to be too.

@bulldogsbob

Ай бұрын

@@fsdsdf7693 The British Empire ended slavery in most of it’s colonies.

@1eyeddevil929

Ай бұрын

That's the thing, WAS an empire. Let's ask what Miyazak thought about the former empire, shall we?

@cashewnuttel9054

Ай бұрын

He hates that his country did not win, and he blames the US for that, plain and simple. I honestly do not buy his "anti-war" messages. Most, if not all, anti-Americans call out the evils of the US to pretend to care about the people that have been affected, but in reality, they just do it for psychological effect or propaganda. If they truly cared, then why don't they call out the evils of other countries too?

I think the thing he misses when talking about the orcs being inspired by Japanese steriotypes during the war is thay Tolkein is not American, he was british, and in brittain we had very little to do with the Japanese during the war, it was very focused on Germany and the Nazi's, we here in england don't even get told the Japanese were in the war at all until about 15 because it's never really relevant. So if Tolkein were to create an enemy meant to repeesent ultimate evil, it would be far more likely that they'd be based off of Germans and not Japanese.

I just watched a video on Frank Herbert hating Star Wars, Tolkien hating Dune, and now this.

@lanevisual

3 ай бұрын

Same here, the Algorithm works. But this Video have a flaw. Since Miyazaki only disliked the Movies. So misleading Information. Otherwise the Video is fine.

@angryvaultguy

3 ай бұрын

In short focus on the writers for their work but not their personality Oh and Tolkien also hated Disney

@PC-tan

3 ай бұрын

So now we need someone big hating on Miyazaki. Or is not really ideal since he is still alive and still doing stuff?

@KitlerZeBased

3 ай бұрын

Dune is a pretentious story that people get behind to seem sophisticated. I don't find it engaging or sophisticated enough. Maybe it's just me. Star Wars is for kids (big and small).

@KitlerZeBased

3 ай бұрын

@_zapatoz_ Weird logic. Are you pretentious or simply factual for disliking pretentious people?

Tolkien refuted the accusations of racism and moral geography that were leveled at him on many occasions during his lifetime. For example, he said that the East-West dichotomy in Lord of the Rings materialized naturally due to the needs of the narrative he was developing and that it had "no modern reference." Moreover, he always openly criticized Nazism and other racist theories and condemned the treatment of black people in South Africa during Apartheid. I find it hard to believe that he would intentionally put racist messaging in any of his works.

@Fridaey13txhOktober

3 ай бұрын

"and condemned the treatment of black people in South Africa during Apartheid." Wonder what he would say living in South Africa today...

@cjr-en4wr

3 ай бұрын

@@Fridaey13txhOktober ?? south africa is a wonderful country

@skorathereckless6449

3 ай бұрын

@@cjr-en4wr their third major political party talking killing all their farmers they have had party control since end of apatite

@loganw1232

3 ай бұрын

@@Fridaey13txhOktoberbelieve he would still condemned the treatment of Blacks under Apartheid, but criticize the government and anti-white or Afrikaans hatred in many parts of South African society.

@maniravsadhur8409

3 ай бұрын

Unintelligent people will always try to make everything about our present and what they think they know about it - which is generally very little. Also, there are many people from the young generation who take everything literally.

Miyazaki is the greatest example of seperating art from the artist.

@zulthyr1852

2 ай бұрын

and what of Lovecraft?

@Gandalfthewhat

2 ай бұрын

@@zulthyr1852 don't know much about him. But I heard he was racist?

@zulthyr1852

2 ай бұрын

@@Gandalfthewhat he called his cat nіggerman, and had a poem called "On the Creation of Nіggers"

@legocontrollerjr

Ай бұрын

​@Gandalfthewhat more so insane. Dude had an awakening closer to the end of his life. Better late than never

3:22 Miyazaki is totally right on the part about "meaningless deaths". This might sound like a strange example, but if you have ever ran a Dungeons & Dragons campaign, you will know the experience of players going out of their way to help a local goblin community that has been making hit-and-run attacks on a nearby town's trade caravans to peacefully resolve their issues with the encroaching human settlements, instead of, you know, just driving the goblins away so the new settlements can thrive. Nothing seems to be harder than just getting the players to "play the game like it's Lord of the Rings", despite the game being directly inspired by Lord of the Rings. Maybe I'll try drawing inspiration from some of Miyazaki's works and see how it turns out.

@gurriato

10 күн бұрын

That's because most DnD players nowadays wear lipstick and programming socks. They can't even begin to roleplay as men because they have lost the reference to what it's like being one.

Miyazaki says that not understanding the historical context or significance of a story then misunderstanding Tolkiens villains is kind of ironic. I understand him not liking the glorification of war, but that is not what Lotr is about. Tolkien wrote about the Anglo-Saxons bravery and self-sacrifice in the face of conflict. Not to unsimilar to Miyazaki and his idealization of WW2 era Japan. The only difference is Tolkien is from England and a Christian, and Miyazaki is not. Tolkien believes there is an evil in the world that man must overcome, and there is a constant evil corruption that will take the hearts of some men.

@gwang3103

3 ай бұрын

I suppose if Tolkien were a *Buddhist*, then his views would be very different, because in Buddhism all sentient beings are seen as Buddhas-in-the-making, and evil is due merely to ignorance. His trilogy might then end with all the bad guys becoming good. Hey, what can be impossible in a fantasy world?

@HuntingTarg

3 ай бұрын

​@@gwang3103 Only Tolkien wasn't; and it's hard to imagine a Bhuddist fighting in a war as Tolkien had (WWI, France). So if Tolkien had been a Bhuddist he might have written something entirely different from The Hobbit and LOTR.

@HuntingTarg

3 ай бұрын

Miyasaki, if I may dare to say so, is presumably a Shintoist, who sees 'good' and 'evil' as part of the duality in the balance of nature. That Sauron should be utterly destroyed, Saruman and Grima disappear into obscurity, and Aragorn be crowned king of an enduring throne are 'totally out of whack' with his worldview, so his characterization of the movies is at least comprehensible on that point. He seems, from the recounting here, to miss things like The Ents conquer Isengard and are not themselves conquered by anyone, the Hobbits return to their own idyllic Shire and are not kept as vassals or made feifal lords by Aragorn, and there is no 'occupation' of Mordor or the Southron kingdom. I think his disdain (contempt?) for Hollywood leads him to judge, if not prejudge, the LOTR trilogy out of cultural context and apart from its true merits.

@gwang3103

3 ай бұрын

@@HuntingTarg Some if not many of the Japanese who fought during WW2 were Buddhists. (And regretfully, they were mostly unwilling conscripts as well.) The Shaolin monks occasionally engaged in wars, too. I don't see why Tolkien couldn't have written The Hobbit and LOTR if he were a Buddhist. He still could, except there would be major differences in the storyline. (Shrugs.)

@HrHaakon

3 ай бұрын

​@@gwang3103 We saw buddhists in WW2, and Japan killed about 9 000 civilians a day.

Only the East is always villinized. Bauglir who sat on the north mountains : Am I a joke?

@yourhighness6457

3 ай бұрын

Literally who?

@pindanetel

3 ай бұрын

as it should be

@MagusMarquillin

3 ай бұрын

@@yourhighness6457 Morgoth Bauglir, AKA Melkor (the original and much worse dark lord)

@kolbywilliams7234

3 ай бұрын

Middle Earth’s greatest enemies were from Middle Earth, or from another metaphysical plane of existence. Besides that, it’s strongly implied that Easterlings, Haradrim, etc. were manipulated by Sauron into going to war. They aren’t the real villains, even though they are antagonists. There is a massive difference.

@LeginusRex

3 ай бұрын

@@kolbywilliams7234 well said.

LOTR was written/mostly born out of his fascination with language. He wanted to create, and did create, a new language, but felt it needed a mythology to accompany it/characters and a history to make it feel truly authentic. It bloomed from there, and its why it took him almost twenty years to complete. It seems like Miyazaki isn't viewing the texts, but rather the films alone. A great pity...

miyazaki is the type of person that would never fight in a war and would probably hide and claim war veterans that defended his country are evil murderous people, he has a very childlike vision of reality and u can clearly see it in his works, almost as if he lives in his own world(without his son) like an hypocrite, he would fit perfectly in modern era media.

@BboySquidfoot

Ай бұрын

Um he is a WW2 nuke survivor. Pretty sure his nihilism is justified along with his disdain for war. Or any type of characture that encourages said notion. Keep crying and shaking your first at the sky though. Pretty funny how little you know lmaoooo xD

@gutzimmumdo4910

Ай бұрын

@@BboySquidfoot keep coping hard bro.

@jimbones5484

6 күн бұрын

​@@BboySquidfoot>anime pfp >says something stupid

If Miyazaki bothered to pay any attention to the books he would have most of his worries eased. What I think is unrealistic on Miyazaki's part though is if he believes that any pure depiction of a good vs evil situation is strictly a Western world cliche. Hard to tell from the video if that's a big reason why he hates Hollywood films or not.

@Alic4444

3 ай бұрын

This seems an incredibly disingenuous video essay. Has Miyazaki ever actually said "orcs are supposed to be easterners?" Has he said "Tolkein entirely depends upon racism"? Those are the absurd claims. It seems about ten thousand times more likely that Miyazaki (or anyone with a brain) would be talking about the Easterlings in Middle Earth, which is a small detail overall but still a part of Middle Earth. Why make video essays to claim ridiculous ideas far beyond the few quotes the youtuber bothered to look up?

@MrBazBake

3 ай бұрын

"Orcs are squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types." --Tolkien angry that his orcs were portrayed as birds in a cartoon Yeah, Miyazaki noticing that Tolkien based his evil monsters on Asian features and then said he did so specifically because Europeans are as racist as he is... kind of gives this one to Miyazaki. Tolkien was an Imperialist. The British Empire was a brutal, bloody regime that slaughtered millions of people and kept them in constant oppression, including Asians. And then homie writes a book where all the Asians and Africans and extra-evil Asians threaten civilization. It's fine that you didn't realize Tolkien was racist. But he was. And now you now and have to deal with that.

@kylepessell1350

3 ай бұрын

@@Alic4444 Perhaps this is a sign for you to dig up the truth for yourself. The history between western media represented by Tolkien and eastern media represented by Miyazaki is long, complicated, and very nuanced. Much more so than can be reasonably covered in an 11 minute video. Even beyond those two in particular, this topic has had people from both sides slugging it out for decades. To decry something trying to bring attention to it as 'disingenuous' seems to serve no purpose except to perpetuate the debate. Instead of complaining about it, take action to clear up what you see as a misunderstanding.

@Raximus3000

3 ай бұрын

Makes sense. Just look at princess mononoke and Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind. Everyone had their own reasons for doing things and most of them were justified.

@shauntempley9757

3 ай бұрын

Miyazaki hates Hollywood films, because they take stereotypes of people, at both the individual and group levels, whether right or wrong, and runs with them. Also, they do glorify war in how he criticised them, which feeds ultimately back to the stereotypes and their depiction of them. His take on depictions of people from the East and Africans are a case of that, and the stereotypes are of them either being totally outright evil, or misguided and easily manipulated people. Both stereotypes are totally wrong, of course, but Hollywood films do not allow that to be explored, and of those that are, they are either framed in the slave era in the case of Africans, and WW2 in the case of the East. There exists only the cop films that are exceptions to that, but even there, they are showing the stereotypes of cops in uniform.

Miyazaki sounds like a redditor or a twitter user.

@aaronlaughter6471

3 ай бұрын

And like them, they can be right from time to time (the whole anime is a mistake and its context for example)

@anon2752

3 ай бұрын

Well, he has apparently said he has "appreciation" for communism as written by Karl Marx. He also is like a modern german who hates their countries past so much they think modern people should still be paying for it.

@BlackMasterRoshi

3 ай бұрын

@@aaronlaughter6471 it goes without saying that broken clocks are occasionally "right"

@alstjrqkr689

3 ай бұрын

Damn weebs spoil the j a ps so bad

@aaronlaughter6471

3 ай бұрын

@@alstjrqkr689 Hey never trust a group who unironically use a word (Otaku, which in japan is a bad thing to be) and use it as a fucking badge of honor.

I really enjoyed hearing your thought process in this video, and how you are able to think about these subjects in a way that is original to yourself, distinguishing your opinion from others

@InkandFantasy

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, it means a lot!

"The Lord of the rings is a movie..." He is clearly commenting on the movies and knows nothing about Tolkien and his work.

frodo was very charitative, and didn't want to kill anyone unless needed. same for aragorn, they were not chasing orc, they were reacting to they brutality, what the fuck miyaki ranting at, he must put down the flask a bit more often.

@miniflem1

3 ай бұрын

As should you, how bollixed must you be to type such gibberish.

@radoslavjovanovic9692

3 ай бұрын

There was no threat from Mordor in the first place, if three guys can dismantle millions of your soldiers then you don't stand a chance, second nazguls are funny not really worth on battle field(Witch king killed by female) easterlings are again nonething compare to army of dead. So Sauron don't stand a chance from the beginning till the end

@ancientdarkness3102

3 ай бұрын

​@@radoslavjovanovic9692tell me you havent read the books without telling me you havent read the books

@DanielGomez-xo1sh

3 ай бұрын

​@@radoslavjovanovic9692wow... thid is the worst take on lotr that I have ever read

@radoslavjovanovic9692

3 ай бұрын

@@ancientdarkness3102 This is all from movies, you are confused.

To pull a passage from one of Miyazaki's own works, one must view the world with eyes unclouded by hate to truly grow.

@erictrobin

3 ай бұрын

And yet, he was blinded by his anti-West hate, which prevented him to understand Tolkien

@carlosalbuquerque22

3 ай бұрын

Cry harder

@green_of_grey

3 ай бұрын

Indeed.

@anonymousgoblin792

3 ай бұрын

@@carlosalbuquerque22. It’s just the truth.

@boraicho6144

3 ай бұрын

​@@carlosalbuquerque22it's just a reflection, not that's relevant for a random troll.

Miyazaki literally did the "black people look like orcs" twitter meme...

Great analysis, I really liked the narration - keep it up! And also great insights in the comments that people give, on the difference between Miazakyi's views and actual work

it sounds like Miyazaki misinterprets the films to be literal spiritual representations of the books. But it's widely believed Tolkien would probably not have enjoyed the films himself for similar reasons.

@samiamtheman7379

3 ай бұрын

Given that JRR Tolkien's son hated the films, it's very likely he would've as well.

@dovekie3437

3 ай бұрын

That's a huge step. He was annoyed at his son at a young age because he was more obsessive than tolkein himself about the accuracy of his stories.@@samiamtheman7379

@ellie7252

3 ай бұрын

@@TT09B5 I mean, I don't think you have the right to say how Tolkien's own son should have felt.

@green_of_grey

3 ай бұрын

@@samiamtheman7379 Bold assumption, men are not judged by their sons (or grandsons for that matter). Everyone has their own thoughts. I have probably read %90+ of all Tolkien wrote and continue to re-read his works because I find them beautiful. I do not see anything particularly wrong with Jackson films and I do cherish them. Many readers who I personally know loves those films and think of them as spiritual representations of the books in film form to a certain extend (obviously as a projection). Almost all important themes of those books are in the films. This separation of book vs film does not justify Miyazaki a single bit.

@kellydemando3303

3 ай бұрын

@@TT09B5the thing is that once people read the books after watching the films, their understanding of the books could potentially be clouded by the interpretation presented in said films. But it’s also a massive book with a world that becomes an entire hobby in itself to read, understand, and appreciate (as opposed to speed reading it to check it off a box), so how many people are actually going to read it? Especially after they have what they assume is the gist of the story?

And then Miyazaky makes a movie about a dreamer and airplane engineer and keeps quiet about what happened in Manchuria. Don't hide behind the West Hayao.

@mikicerise6250

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's a bit precious to have him go on about racial superiority and militarism in the West, given that World War II was fundamentally about defeating people who believed themselves racially superior and liberating the "inferior" peoples suffering under their boot, and guess which side of that war Japan was on, and which side of it England was on? Guess who voluntarily gave back all the land they stole from China (Western Europe), who had to be forced to give it back (Japan) and guess who never gave anything back (Russia)? I mean, I despise the history of Western imperialism, and every kind of imperialism, but as Miyazaki would say, a bit of 'self-awareness' doesn't hurt.

@anonisnoone6125

3 ай бұрын

@@mikicerise6250 So cos he was Japanese, that somehow means he can't criticise other countries? He didn't like Japan's role in the war either so what's ur point?

@slynt_

3 ай бұрын

@@anonisnoone6125 Well for one thing, the survival rate of POWs taken by the Japanese is close to 0%. Take that in for a second, then think about whether this narrative of the evil exterminationist West versus the pure peaceful East makes any fing sense.

@SoftBoiledArt

3 ай бұрын

@@mikicerise6250 Stupidly irrelevant, so, Miyazaki did all that? how that makes a point on context? Not to mention Japan does nothing today.

@daseapickleofjustice7231

3 ай бұрын

Not as bad as writing a book about operation Barbarossa before WW2 even begun.

Someone needs to make a movie or documentary and call it "Hayao Miyazaki Hates everything accept His creations "

Lord of the Rings is the opposite of war glorification, let alone depiction of dominant races as heroes (The Downfall of Numenor, The Oath of Feanor, etc.). As much as I love Miyazaki's work, I'd guess either his opinion was misunderstood or he didn't give it enough chance, being biased towards "whatever comes from the 'west' want's to colonize the mind"

@slivka_1

18 күн бұрын

Miyazaki meant that the book had great nuance. He loves the hobbit and Tolkiens work. Watch Archie talks Anime video on this.

Shame he feels that way, I always assumed he'd see the similarity in themes between his and Tolkien's work. It really doesn't sound like he's actually read LOTR though if that's what he's come away thinking. That Sam line is exactly what sprang to mind just before you brought it up. Or the Faramir line, "War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."

@monnaranzoti732

3 ай бұрын

Myazaki's cristicism is fair. "(The Orcs) have squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."" - J. R. R. Tolkien The association between orcs and Asians isn't a "interpretation" some readers got from the text, it came out from the literal mouth of Tolkien. This videos's author omited this fact, for some reason.

@chrisrapp7733

3 ай бұрын

@@monnaranzoti732 you tired of posting that crap over and over again

@finnofzaun9209

3 ай бұрын

@@monnaranzoti732 In the hobbit films, the orcs have white skin and tall figure, does that mean they're designed after white people? if so why shouldn't white people be upset?

@ansibarius4633

3 ай бұрын

@@chrisrapp7733 Why would that be crap? He did write it, and it seems relevant to the subject matter, even though one may suspect that his choices have more to do with traditional in-group preferences regarding human beauty than with racist perceptions per se of Asians being evil. (After all, the Orcs are not even human.)

@vileluca

3 ай бұрын

@@monnaranzoti732 Which part is offending you? The part where Tolkien lists some physical features that aren't even the features that the Orcs in his story are written with? If you track the features to his descriptions in books, what's he describing seems to be the half-Orcs of Saruman (not the Uruk-hai). The part where Tolkien feels the need to elaborate on physical features, listing them at all? Because the context (often completely omitted when this quote is bandied about by bad actors) is him responding to a movie script in which someone has turned Orcs into bird people. He's only pointing out human characteristics and where you might see something similar to them because someone gave them beaks.

This just goes to show that just because you create beautiful works of storytelling that resonate with people. It doesn't necessarily mean you are good at critiquing others authors work.

Tolkien said explicitly that his work was not intended to be an allegory of any real nations or conflicts. Certainly nothing in the modern era. If anything, the armies of Sauron are inspired by the wars between the Goths and the Roman Empire, or later the wars between the Huns and the Roman Empire (in which the Goths joined on the Roman side, a la Rohan and Gondor uniting against Sauron). The Mongol invasions are another inspiration as well.

The thing is, Miyazaki is an insanely creative person with a unique way to view and experience the world. He also has unwavering believe in himself and his vision. This may sometimes lead to views that are not based on rational analysis and at other times to rare insight noone else has had. Someone who doesn't care about convention and common sense in any way and is a contrarian is bound to be wrong most of the time, since common sense is a product of trial and error in a way. But these people are also more likely to discover faults within our common sense and how the world works as a whole that other people can't see by themselves. Let Miyazaki have his crazy opinions, without a personality that leads to those he could never have created his art the way it is now. Because his art is as free and unpredictable as his views, and that's part of the beauty. Also whatever he says about any topic, I always feel like his views come from an angle that I had never considered before, that may be part of the resistance some people feel and is actually an incredibly rare thing. He may be wrong alot of the time, but it's always in favor of Humanity, life and the world we inhabit. I value it for what it is. It's part of being a creative genius.

In my writing class we had to take two famous characters from different stories and put them in the same scene together. I had Aragorn meet and talk with Prince Ashitaka. It really showed how similar their worlds and quests were.

@spencerstabio5936

3 ай бұрын

That sounds really cool. It's fun to imagine what conversations characters from different worlds would have.

@edwardperkins1225

3 ай бұрын

LoL! Just don't tell Miyazaki. 😊

@kennethsatria6607

3 ай бұрын

Man that would be an interesting conversation between warriors/soldiers who had to hold themselves to a greater standard to lead by example.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

3 ай бұрын

I'd be more interested in a conversation between Aragorn and Paul Atreides tbh. For those who've only seen the first Dune film, Paul is NOT a hero. He's responsible for a religious war that he himself is horrified by. Tolkien infamously hated Dune btw.

@ophanimangel3143

3 ай бұрын

@@ArawnOfAnnwnWhy do you talk as if we don’t know about these characters? Dune was a product of its period in the 60s. Lots of stories around subverting hero’s journey has since proliferated in modern fantasy and sci fi literature. And the movie that Villeneuve made isn’t as good tbh. Less nuanced than even Life of Brian did around similar themes in the 70s.

Why are commenters assuming Miyazki is A-ok with what Japan did in WWII. His works and his statements on the war show that he hated what his country did in WWII. Is his criticism of Tolkien fair? No. But that doesn’t mean he is a Japanese imperialist.

@LunamrathP

3 ай бұрын

Far from it, if you delve into the two, them and their works are ideologically quite similar.

@mumak333

3 ай бұрын

Why does Miyazaki assume Tolkien also liked the British Empire & what they did too? Tolkien likes his Englishness & condemned the empire, as much a Miyazaki likes his Japaneseness & dislikes the empire as well.

@LunamrathP

3 ай бұрын

@@mumak333 Probably the same character flaw that has compelled so much of this comment section to assume that Miyazaki liked the Japanese Empire. It's rather ironic.

@sayerglasgow115

3 ай бұрын

As we all know, since thing A and thing B are in opposition, it is impossible to dislike thing A without supporting thing B. Truly a galaxy brained way of viewing the world.

@seto_kaiba_

3 ай бұрын

@@LunamrathP 100%. And both also have kind of a cranky opinionated views on life--and often are sharply critical of certain works that don't fit how they view fiction should be done (i.e. Tolkien disliked Dune and Disney). But imo at this point-they get to be a bit cantankerous even if I don't agree with everything they believe.

It is quite a model example of the difference in the perception of the world of someone who experienced war, was forced to kill in it and came to terms with it, and someone who never directly experienced war, but grew up in the ruins of its consequences. Both of them hate it but for very different reasons. It is rather paradoxical that the British did not want war, while the Japanese did and also quite ironic that the events of WW2 are talked about quite openly in Europe and Germany, while the Japanese act almost as if it didn't happen which is fitting, given that the Japanese military behaved worse than the orcs.

Tolkien hates Dune, Herbert dislikes Star Wars, and Miyazaki isn't fond of LOTR?! Can't these geniuses of storytelling just… get along?!

@No_Relation_666

2 ай бұрын

There is nothing wrong with not liking something

@anastasia-fr1gn

2 ай бұрын

I like Miyazaki films, but aren’t many adaptations? Isn’t he a filmmaker first while Tolkien and Herbert are authors and in my personal opinion greater storytellers…

@chriss780

2 ай бұрын

@@anastasia-fr1gn Nausicaa is based on a mag he wrote himself, more than half are not adaptations, and the ones that are, Howl and Ponyo, change drastically from the source material

This reminds me of all the "Anime was a mistake" memes about Miyazaki

@echidnanatsuki882

3 ай бұрын

If you look at the context more deeply, you'll see that he didn't actually mean Anime itself but more like the culture it produced as time went on *"ahem"* , Weebs and Hentai Addicts

@litterbox2010

3 ай бұрын

Hey! Don't lump us in with weebs!@@echidnanatsuki882

@barbarianillust

3 ай бұрын

​@@echidnanatsuki882 that's also not really the context. Please don't use this as an opportunity to use those terms in a pejorative way. What he meant in context, is that he believes it's better to create characters that are natural, that are like real people. This is naturally the opposite in many ways to Moe (whether it's bishoujo or bishounen), which is not a representation but an expression where characters are "ideal" and "mercurial", thus behave and express in many different manners that you don't really see in the real world. And Miyazaki sensei believes that this is because of a "hatred for the real people." In other words, he doesn't understand Moe affect in the same manner as we Otaku do, and he doesn't like it either. But quite the contrary, otaku culture (not weeb. Even though it's used as a joke, and I use it myself as a joke about myself in English, it's not really the same thing as Otaku) is very united and often accepting of one another, with our flaws as human beings. Also, at the time, Otaku in Japan was seen as some kind of person who couldn't adapt properly to society (hence in the early 90s sensationalist newspapers in Japan would often ask if "Otaku can tell the difference between reality and fiction or not"). But as time went on Otaku have become more of an integral part of Japanese society, and are more accepted nowadays. Now it's okay to be an otaku of anime in different enviroments, such as school, But Miyazaki sensei is simply a man from another epoque. Even if I don't agree with him, and I really don't appreciate his remarks on the fans of the LOTR movies fans (he says so about the movies, not the books), there's a lot of respect for him, because his achievements are huge! And his talent undeniable.

@pablocasas5906

3 ай бұрын

I thought that quote was completely made up, but many people believed it because they think it's something Hayao would say

@Halfort57

3 ай бұрын

​@@echidnanatsuki882not even that. He said "My anime career was a mistake"

It's kinda funny because the works of both Tolkien and Miyazaki not very subtly involve the perils of imperialism, industrialization, demagoguery, war/conquest, ecosystem destruction etc. You'd think Miyazaki would find a kindred spirit in Tolkien.

@Otakumanu

3 ай бұрын

Tbf he was talking about the movies rather than the books.

@itsnotborker456

2 ай бұрын

@@Otakumanu he mentioned the books as well, not just the movies

@Otakumanu

2 ай бұрын

@@itsnotborker456 The translation was a bit confusing though, so I'm not entirely confident saying that he felt the same way about the books. If you have a better translation, do tell me.

If you come away from reading the Lord of the Rings with the opinion that it glorifies war...you missed the point. I could see how an under-informed viewer could conclude this from watching the films, but that would also be ridiculous. The movies in particular take pains to show us the costs of war on those who fight, while the books mourn the loss of all the good in the world, the cost of the war to all of Middle-Earth. They do glorify the ability to fight for something that is right, like how the hobbits, shaped by their experiences, are able to lead a revolt against those who have occupied the Shire, but even then, the costs are emphasized, and Frodo works hard to protect the lives of men and hobbit collaborators alike from his vengeful folk. The books make the point that war is sometimes necessary, lest those who would use violent means to gain and preserve their own power oppress everyone who is not willing to fight to protect themselves. To Tolkien (and indeed, to me) pacifism is a naive ideology - his own writings are more grounded in reality than the pacifists' beliefs. As for the West vs. East claim, that is a convention of the 2nd and 3rd ages. The 1st age of Middle Earth saw evil spread from the North (first Utumno, and later, Thangorodrim). Moreover, Tolkien hated allegory, so interpreting his works as enforcing a direct parallel between "The West" as a concept of Anglo-American hegemony, and the kingdoms of Gondor and Rohan, or indeed the sunken Western isle of Numenor is specious. Yes, his mythology was intended as specifically English lore, something that could have developed naturally in England like the legends of other lands, and sometimes the languages he invented have direct parallels to real languages from the British Isles (like Rohan's language has strong parallels to the Anglo-Saxon tongue). But the idea of taking his history of Middle-Earth and regarding it as analogous to the real history of England is ludicrous. It is clear that Elves are the highest beings anyway, and they are being progressively replaced by human empires...willingly. Such a concept is foreign to the real world. And regarding the Easterlings and Southrons (the evil men fighting for Sauron), I think it is clear that he saw them as victims of Sauron (Gandalf, the beacon of Tolkienesque morality, pities those who fight for Sauron). They may represent "the other" and could possibly be interpreted as racist caricatures of actual human cultures, but I'm not learned enough on this subject to really have a strong opinion on that possibility. As for the orcs, I think Tolkien initially created them as irredeemable - they cannot choose to be good, they can only destroy. This allowed him to avoid moral dilemmas in mowing them down during battles, but I think he did regret this choice later on, being a Catholic who believes in the possibility of salvation, no matter your history. Certainly, the films did not ever suggest that the orcs were analogous to any particular real culture on Earth...they are not human, they are mythological beings that serve a purpose in the story, and reading into the choices made by Peter Jackson in how he showed the principal adversary his heroes encountered during the trilogy would maybe enable you to comment on Jackson's biases (though I think that would be a waste of time), but certainly not Tolkien's.

In the two towers Tolkien addresses the concern of Flagrantly killing men in battle , Specifically one of the easterlings, In a thought of sam's after an impromptu raid on the easterlings. "It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would rather have stayed there in peace." Tolkien was sympathetic for his part.

@LionMillcomics

2 ай бұрын

8:27 just saw you addressed this quote. Good man.

The Orks are literally corrupted Elves, one of the two races created by the God of that world.

@dtmt502

3 ай бұрын

why do they have darker skin in LOTR while Elves are white

@Bluesonofman

3 ай бұрын

@@dtmt502 Why are Demons generally depicted as Red? It’s because they are corrupted. It’s not a race thing it’s a Good vs Evil thing. Evil in fantasy is always ugly.

@ophanimangel3143

3 ай бұрын

@@dtmt502 Your brain is sure working right (not). Darkness and light are often metaphorical representations around stories from around the world. In Near Eastern or any other folklore there’s always something about depicting darkness that isn’t viewed with full innocence and joy.

@dtmt502

3 ай бұрын

@@ophanimangel3143it's just your typical dull story of 'good' vs 'evil', white vs black

@ophanimangel3143

3 ай бұрын

@@dtmt502Irony is that we see racism, sexism as ideas to be condemned but sure no such thing as actual “evil” or “good”…moral relativism in its full irony.

Miyazaki's critique of Hollywood is fair enough. Even Christopher Tolkien said that his father would not enjoy the LOTR movies for their over emphasis on action scenes. Aside from that, it is obvious that Miyazaki has never read the LOTR. Such a shame. The two have much in common, deriving their themes from nature, history, mythology, and in Tolkien's case, Catholicism. While neither men are perfect, Miyazaki's life is speckled with bitterness and prejudice often against people who have nothing but admiration for his work.

This video is perfect, thank you for making it. you did a great job! ❤

@InkandFantasy

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!!

Misleading title: Miyazaki doesn't hates Tolkien, just Jackson's movies. His direct quotation regarding the "souce material" on the video itself.

@InkandFantasy

Ай бұрын

What he means in the quote, is if you read the books you’ll understand that what he’s saying about the movies is true, not that it is untrue!

@alessandrocerioli2151

Ай бұрын

@@InkandFantasy I read the book several times, first when I was a kid. I also read Tolkien's letters where he made clear that he didn't want to write an allegory of West vs East. A more interesting question is why you guys are making so many video about Miyazaki hating...everything. it seems it's an obsession on youtube.

Quoting Cowboy Bebop, I think that the answer is that people who are the same just can't help but hate each other.

Tolkiens' works are really reflective of his time serving in World War 1. Miyazaki incorrectly sees them through the lens of World War 2.

@VegetoStevieD

3 ай бұрын

Yes.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

3 ай бұрын

Tbf a LOT of people even in the west see LOTR through the lens of WW2. Or even modern conflicts, like in Ukraine. They just love moralizing war, and LOTR gives them a well-known metaphor for that. Tolkien would likely be horrified by how many people call other real people 'o*cs' nowadays.

@monnaranzoti732

3 ай бұрын

Myazaki's cristicism is fair. "(The Orcs) have squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."" - J. R. R. Tolkien The association between orcs and Asians isn't a "interpretation" some readers got from the text, it came out from the literal mouth of Tolkien. This videos's author omited this fact, for some reason.

@Lord_Numpty

3 ай бұрын

@@monnaranzoti732 Copy-pasting your argument doesn't help it, it just makes you seem lazy and like you have a point to push irrespective of whether the OP appeared to initially disagree with you or not. In this case, Augmenautus said 'Tolkien used his experiences in The Great War as a point of reference, Miyazaki erroneously looked at it as though it was the second world war' and you responded with 'but racism though'.

@cjr-en4wr

3 ай бұрын

yeh the renowned genius is wrong and we should listen to some dungeons and dragons kids instead..

i absolutely loved this video. very explanatory, transparent and tells of a deep understanding of the very fine writers very great works. love it!

It's extremely funny to me that miyazaki views lotr this way. Given the fact that the animation of animated The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings were done by the studio that would one day become Studio Gihbli

I respect Miyazaki as an artist and writer, but frankly, his opinions come from a perspective of perceived superiority, and narcissism. He often claims to know better, but speaks from a place of ignorance.

@markedoner1eford653

3 ай бұрын

He speaks out of his position of authority, its kinda common in Japan to have old people complaining about everything and criticizing everyone because they are of higher social status. Japan and Asia in general have a culture of total respect and obedience before authority and especially "elders" so Miyazaki pretty much says whatever he can because who's gonna oppose him?

@Redcloudsrocks

3 ай бұрын

I mean a lot of people do..if I asked you things in a casual interview setting or convo you would no doubt say dumb things from time to time or just say things you don't REALLY mean but you have strong feelings about so they come out that way

@meronyach.

3 ай бұрын

@@Redcloudsrocks True, but Miyazaki makes a pattern of treating others as lesser than himself, it's not just Tolkien. He thinks everyone and everything should cater to his perspective. He comes off as one of the righteous types he himself claims to despise.

@TheKnoxvicious

3 ай бұрын

Right? He hates everything

@monnaranzoti732

3 ай бұрын

Myazaki's cristicism is fair. "(The Orcs) have squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."" - J. R. R. Tolkien The association between orcs and Asians isn't a "interpretation" some readers got from the text, it came out from the literal mouth of Tolkien. This videos's author omited this fact, for some reason.

It seems silly for Miyazaki to decry violence in American movies when Princess Mononoke has the protagonist cut off arms in bloody fashion. Saying a mythical creature like an ocr must represent x minority is also nuts. Should we just assume every malevolent creature in Miyazaki's work is really x minority group? It's a good thing his actual movies are stories and don't turn into obivious rants of his political opinions like some Hollywood movies do these days.

@neongenesis7236

3 ай бұрын

So he was first who began all this stuff about: Goblins, Orcs, Demons😈- are just misunderstood minorities.

@AirsoftTim92

3 ай бұрын

Hate to break it to you, but Tolkien is the one who compared orcs to minorities. From one of his private letters: "squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."

@polaris1627

3 ай бұрын

I would agree if it was not for the fact that Ashitaka's killing are not intentional. At least not at all, the same premise of Princess Mononoke revolves around in words of the protagonist himself "not seeing the world through clouds of hatred". The Journey of Ashitaka begins as a colateral damage of foreign conflicts that he later tries to calm meanwhile tries to restord the nature that other have been destroying. The hole narrative of Princess Mononoke is about living at peace with Nature, and people without letting the hate and destructive nature of men disrupt that peace.

@morningglory.2

3 ай бұрын

I think the major difference is that the protagonist Ashitaka’s violence is portrayed very clearly as something bad. He fights very hard to stop it from overtaking him, and his goal throughout the movie is to cure to curse that is making him violent and hateful. I love both lotr and ghibli but I do believe Miyazaki’s films are pretty much unilaterally conscious in their attitude towards violence and hate.

@shastacat9632

3 ай бұрын

exactly the orcs dont represent anything in real life except victims of evil, "evil cannot create only corrupt" and that is exactly what they showcase

I forgot the Dark Souls director's full name and thought this video was about a different Miyazaki 😂

Miyazaki and Tolkien have one thing in common though, their hatred for industrialism and The Beatles

I’m pretty certain Japanese soldiers that committed atrocious war crimes in Korea and China never saw a violent movie in their life.

@doraemon61377

3 ай бұрын

He is probably the Steve jobs kind of guy. A perfectionist, a tyrant and a “I am the smartest one in the room” kind.

Miyazaki also hates in his words "everything that parades its righteousness" like "the righteousness of the US, the righteousness of Islam, the righteousness of China, the righteousness of this or that ethnic group, the righteousness of Greepeace" because "they all claim to be righteouss, but they all try to coerce other into complying with their own standards" so by those quotes we can already see that even if he didn't have misinterpreted this anti-east bias he would still hate Lord of the Rings since it shows that there is a side that is objectivelly good and other objectivelly evil, he would interpret it as self righteousness.

@Fridaey13txhOktober

3 ай бұрын

The Eternal Centrist....

@ArawnOfAnnwn

3 ай бұрын

@@Fridaey13txhOktober He's not centrist, he's a localist. Ironically much like Tolkien. Both of them dreamed of a world with a multitude of local cultures that each do their own thing. And opposed imperialism, and Hollywood, for spreading more of a monoculture. They both celebrated diversity - true diversity, not how the American left uses that term today.

@TheKnoxvicious

3 ай бұрын

He sounds like an incredibly exhausting person to be around

@etistone

3 ай бұрын

I think you have a very good point here.

@LordSiravant

3 ай бұрын

Ultimately Miyazaki is much like Tolkien in that he loves his own works but hates the modern world and everything about it. Two men who would rather have lived centuries before our time.

I think you're right, Miyazaki, despite all the admiration and respect I have for him, don't understand at all what Tolkien's work is about. Did he even read the books?

Western movies glorify violence, but Japanese ones don’t? After watching numerous Samurai movies from the 1960s years ago, I was sickened by the blood, gore and cheapness of the lives. Have never watched one since!

@No_Relation_666

2 ай бұрын

Miyazaki doesn’t,

@chriss780

2 ай бұрын

Miyazaki in princess Mononoke didn't make the hero a Samurai for that exact reason, because he dislikes specifically the way Samurai are used as a stock character to valorize japanese militarism, he made the hero an indigenous Ainu. in the american context it would sort of be like making your hero a native instead of a cowboy.

Tolkien's concept of the orcs predates the Second World War, and it's hard to see Tolkien being unduly influenced by American bias against Japan in conceiving of villains.

Miyazaki: "makes movies about life" also Miyazaki: "hates everything in life" (this is not to be taken seriously, writing this for the brainless)

@doraemon61377

3 ай бұрын

He is probably the Steve jobs kind of guy. Very perfectionist, a tyrant and the “I am the smartest one in the room”

@1ycan-eu9ji

3 ай бұрын

@@doraemon61377 he's not really a tyrant but he's a traditional leftist, you can tell because of his strong views.

@doraemon61377

3 ай бұрын

@@1ycan-eu9ji yeah but you don’t need to impose your views on others

@darthvadeth6290

3 ай бұрын

Toeken fanboys going wild in the comments with the ad hominem attacks just because somebody dares to not like LoTR, lmao

@FelipeJaquez

3 ай бұрын

​​@@darthvadeth6290 Miyazaki fans still reeling from the fact Howls Moving Castle lost to Wallace and Gromit in the 2005 Oscars I see.

If you want to understand Miyazaki, think of a man holding the most beautiful and precious thread in the world. This thread has survived for thousands of years, and glistens in the sunlight with a golden beauty that is immediately apparent to anyone who looks at it, and only becomes more beautiful the closer you look. The peoples of the past, connected with deep unbreakable bonds to each-other and this thread, protected it with their lives. Whenever this man holds the thread he feels as though he is connected to everyone who held it previously. The gossamer becomes a great chain, that not only connects things together in space, but through time. The brave soldiers, the tender mothers, the wise leaders, and intelligent scholars who ferried this precious, fragile artifact into the future, into his hand where he holds it. Even though he has never met them, he feels as though these people are his friends, the greatest friends in the world, with more to give than he has room to receive. And then an American bumps into him and he drops the thread, which is carried by a strong breeze into a sewer grate. All of his movies are about him holding that thread, and they are sublime and beautiful. His reality is the fact that he can't hold it anymore like the people of the past could, or that he feels as though he is the only one holding it, pinched tenuously between his pointer and index finger as an ever stronger wave of shit is pulling it away.

@Stewz66

2 ай бұрын

The only comment I've seen that is worth reading. Lol. The last sentence says a lot. I had to think about that for a bit.

@jewhunterbiden

2 ай бұрын

hes a cranky mental patient

At around 5:15, Miyazaki is quoted as saying the ones being killed in LOTR are Africans and Asians. My understanding is that Tolkien was more likely referencing the Germans and the industrial warfare of WW1.

American: *[Breaths]* Miyazaki: "I hate that, i despise the very existence of that, it disturbed me". American's: "Miyazaki . . . chill bro, my god."

@aaronlaughter6471

3 ай бұрын

America: "Do we need to drop a third sun?"

@ophanimangel3143

3 ай бұрын

@@aaronlaughter6471Imperial Japan: make another Unit 731 in response

@aaronlaughter6471

3 ай бұрын

@@ophanimangel3143 Do we need to drop a 4th sun, we have plenty of suns.

@doraemon61377

3 ай бұрын

He is probably the Steve jobs kind of guy. A perfectionist, a tyrant and a “I am the smartest one in the room” kind.

@samuraijosh1595

3 ай бұрын

lmao why are the westoids malding

Tolkien was grumpy but Miyazaki simply doesn't even care to even understands the work he created. The original evil of middle earth comes from the North. Miyazaki is just a sore loser who cannot get over the war and see Japan and the West are now friends.

@stupidpol

3 ай бұрын

it doesn't change the fact that orcs in his works are dehumanized despite being sentient beings

@augusto4359

3 ай бұрын

you can disagree with him but... calling miyasaki a loser is wild my dude lmao

@carlosalbuquerque22

3 ай бұрын

Whine harder

@DeepCFisher

3 ай бұрын

Judging by some of Miyazaki's other words, I would say he is more of a misanthrope. He seems to lash out at nearly everything, both Japanese and American and even China. He seems to look down upon most of humanity from what I have seen.

@62cky4powerthirst

3 ай бұрын

It's more like Miyazaki knows both America and Japan are fake: but especially America and he's not entirely wrong. Imperial Japan built it's ideology of racial purity over Korean and Chinese based on American race laws and based their expansion into China as their version of "Manifest Destiny." Miyazaki grew up in the aftermath of Japan's failed attempt at playing colonialism. He views Imperial Japan as stupid for trying to be like America, current Japan for sucking up to America, and America for being a bunch of violent, genocidal, war exporters.

One point I'd like to make is our desire to understand others. And not just the important stuff, but the trivial things like, opinions on literature, sports, music, food, other people. I think a hurdle for alot of people -including me -is to accept that the philosophy behind people's opinions is a question that doesn't always need to be asked.

The thing is Tolkien wasn't happy with how he handled the Orcs either. He made the Orcs explicitly sub-human and separate from the misguided but redeemable easterlings and such, so that you could see the Orcs as a stand-in for the worst of people, the most degraded of society, the most selfish and cowardly. But the more Tolkien thought about it, the more he found this unsatisfactory. In later letters, he pondered whether or not even the pure-evil Orcs should have souls, and that if they have souls, that they should be worthy of redemption. I see Tolkien as a man who came from the culture of killing "the Turk" or "the Hun", the same culture that primed America for killing the Indians and the Blacks; but Tolkien himself was on the cusp of realizing, "even a fictitious pure-evil, pure-barbarian, literal mud-people . . . EVEN THEY shouldn't be regarded with the such flippancy and dismissal". Tolkien sort of figured it out too late for it to affect the work entirely, but it's not nothing. I see _The Lord of the Rings_ as a final celebration of everything great about British culture, but marks the beginning of realizing such simple notions of "kill the goblin people" isn't good enough a viewpoint. Like, _Lord of the Rings_ transferred our racial violence onto a fictitious beast race while humanizing the misguided Turks and Easterlings, so that later stories could go ahead and humanize _all of them._ I don't see Lord of the Rings as backwards, i see it as a necessary middle-step out of tribalism that was worth taking and should be respected as such.

Ah, yes, Mr"Anime was Mistake" who's every movie is his final movie

@elgatochurro

3 ай бұрын

tbh the mvoies are a lot fo work

@daseapickleofjustice7231

3 ай бұрын

Irrelevant point LOTR is still a Russophobic work about marching against Moscow.

@16-BitGuy

2 ай бұрын

it is a rumor he said that. actually he said so,ething else in a different context people didn't get

@patriksnellman1550

2 ай бұрын

@@16-BitGuy hmmm, Mr "Anime was mistake the Rumor" then?

@animeking17

Ай бұрын

That was a mistranslation I think

Here's the problem though. He actually LOVES the BOOKS, he defends the books in that same quote, he referenced Gondor in Castle in the Sky and also put The Hobbit on a list of best children's books. You are spreading misinformation. He talked about the movies here, and yes he sounds likes he's talking out of his ass because he probably is and he probably never saw the films as he stopped actively watching movies almost completely somewhere in the 90s. He was aggravated by the war in Iraq and american blockbusters were an easy target, except he didn't even realize the LOTR movies weren't really made by Americans.

@HuntingTarg

3 ай бұрын

It would be nice to have a source reference, since the uploader has Miyasaki sounding like he hasn't read the books and is just being wholesale critical of American filmmaking (not wholly unjustified, even before 2020).

@tvsonicserbia5140

3 ай бұрын

@@HuntingTarg Well the source for everything he said and more can be found in the book Starting Point

@lanevisual

3 ай бұрын

Finally. I just wrote this! This is insanity. I Wonder why this Channel does that. The Clickbait ist fine and this Video could be 95 percent the same and people would liked this one. Misleading information....

"Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it boring, absurd, or contemptible, and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing that they evidently prefer." - J.R.R. Tolkien

LOTR is the greatest room in my heart from my childhood, and I feel that Miyazaki judged it too stereotypically. The problem of dehumanisation of enemies in western culture exactly is more than real, and maybe even Tolkien was not completely free from his own environment. But LOTR takes its power and beauty not from all this “we, people of the West!” staff. And it was not a typical Hollywood movie also, it was made with complete enthusiasm of participants over commercial reasons, and Hollywood still has not created anything like LOTR. I agree with Miyazaki in general about violence and so-called bad guys, but orcs were not designed as a symbol of bad guys, the story was about Evil inside human nature