Trust me, You're not offending any Americans when critcizing the greed and lack of soul present in our corporations. Only idiots would take offence.

@courtney1709

13 күн бұрын

As an American, I 100% agree.

@crusader2112

13 күн бұрын

Same. 👍

@jovunatwal2815

13 күн бұрын

Agreed

@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874

6 күн бұрын

Everyone hates Corporations, regardless of their other politics.

@austinm3377

3 күн бұрын

Agreed America has been extremely bad for the world and the root of most of everyone.

I feel like the soul of Tolkien’s work will live on. All these films and merchandise have just made people more interested in the books, and through that, more and more people learn what it’s really about and reject all the corporate crap.

@crusader2112

13 күн бұрын

Decades from now the bad will be forgotten and the good and the original stories will remain. The same goes for Star Wars and other stories.

@El_Gungas

9 күн бұрын

Until big corporations start editing the books and forcing libraries to sell them for abusive prices.

@user-th3ll8rl7i

7 күн бұрын

He (The Lord of the Rings that is) was already immensely popular before the movies. His books were "underground" and had a "cult" following. The LOTR movies were very good (although they left out Tom Bombadil) but now his legacy is being tarnished by all the crap that is being put out. First "The Hobbit," now the "Rings of Power" fiasco. This is exactly what he feared.

“The fires of Industry”

@user-rv4wn5qk7q

13 күн бұрын

"The old world will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machinery of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc. We have only to remove those who oppose us." Coincidence? I think not.

Another reason why they hate Tolkien was because he was a Christian. That is also why they ignore his beliefs.

@anni.68

13 күн бұрын

In what way does any Tolkien adaptation "ignore" Tolkien's Christian beliefs?

@ryanparker4996

13 күн бұрын

​@@anni.68 Were you perhaps born yesterday?

@meduseldtales3383

13 күн бұрын

@@anni.68 For example Aragorn murdering the Mouth of Sauron.

@anni.68

13 күн бұрын

@@meduseldtales3383 That was certainly the worst scene of the trilogy. Well, errare humanum est. I know you greatly dislike the movies, but IMO they got most things right. I suppose we will not agree on this matter.

@anni.68

13 күн бұрын

@@ryanparker4996 How about some proper reasons instead of platitudes?

The whole thing is such a reflection of Tolkien's work itself. A huge theme of the legendarium is that while the pure magnificent works of the past are lost or destroyed, the subcreations based on those works in some way carry more depth of beauty than the original more pure and less tainted work. (i.e. the two lamps becoming the trees becoming the sun and moon) I think in a way JRR Tolkien was feeling like one of the elves lamenting the changing of the world and all of the corruption of men. I would argue that a huge amount of beauty has been subcreated from Tolkien's works. And while we do see our own tyrannical figures corrupting and debasing the work as we speak, we are also seeing many people exploring his work, discussing it, and importantly adding depth and meaning that was not there originally. And that is enhancing and deepening the work. It will be very messy once the IP rights of Tolkien's work expires, but I really look forward to that day so that we may see the beautiful subcreative gems which capture the light of Tolkien's work and reflect it in new and beautiful colours. I think it can often be too easy to get caught up on thinking about the Morgoths of the world and to miss the good that is happening more quietly in the world. Back in Tolkien's time most people were lamenting the evil of the world wars. But far less focus was being paid to the good Tolkien himself was doing. Or to the different goods many other people were doing which aren't even as remembered as Tolkien. We have the same numbers of such people nowadays. Largely they are fighting for different things than at that time, but there are still a lot of good people in this world.

I agree that these companies don’t have the best intentions with Tolkiens, but there are many Americans who lament the state of things today and long for traditional family, Faith, and community. God Bless 🙏🏻 Love seeing the good boy at the end. 👍

I think that the point is not to see if the PJ trilogy or the Amazon Series have some points in common with Tolkien's works, but it is to see if the goal is the same. What is the goal of Tolkien's works according to Tolkien ? It is to heal the world. LR (I've always used the abbreviation LOTR) is a fairy tale, according to JRRT's vision of a fairy tale and as such, - I am not giving a definition - it is a fictional story happening with the Faërie (Magic, you could say) in which the reader dives without noticing that he does. In that way, the fairy tale is authentic and able to heal the reader through (for example) evading the present times, and consoling from the harshness and ugliness of the modern life. And that is a noble goal because in this spiritual retreat, being consoled from his sadnesses, the reader is able to notice what's wrong with the present times, and he finds the desire to fix it at his own scale, just like JRRT did by writing for us. I don't know about you, but as for me, I've always felt healed by the reading of Tolkien's works, like refreshed, having forgotten the wrong ways of the ugly world and aspiring to the good ways of fairer world. I could almost say that I would wish a "faerier" world. I think it makes us more human, in the noble sense.

Tolkien would be ashamed of what's being in his name...

I remember the popularity of LOTR during the early hippie days. They took the "pipe weed" and applied it to marijuana; this was when marijuana was first called "weed." And clearly pipe weed is not cannabis!

Pretty amazing video (as always), I admire the way you of explaining this things, without making it sound like a hateful fanboyist rant, or something like that. 🙂

@InkandFantasy

13 күн бұрын

Thank you so much!!!

@prettybabey

13 күн бұрын

thats exactly what i was thinking!!!

I don't doubt he would have hated the PJ movies, but ultimately, films are a collaborative process. While they did away with most of the spiritual & philosophical tones he wanted portayed in favor of widespread cinematic languages & ideas most people would be ammenable to, such as action scenes & battles, to strictly adhere to his filmic idea of LotR that mirrored the books and the world straight out of his own mind would be tyrannical even as the author. Again, movies are collaborative, and in letter 328 you mentioned Tolkein saying that the stories no longer belong to him, and to a degree, he trusts that people who truly love these stories will defend its soul from the corporations & mass consumerism that will inevitably mutate it. With respect to the trilogy, Peter Jackson & co., have done their best to realize & manifest a faithful rendition of the books as best as they could without being outrigh clones of Tolkein himself. While not perfect to utmost criteria & expectations, it is a masterpiece of its craft and shining beacon for acheivements. And not least of all, the trilogy remains a gateway to the books.

I Love your channel and how much you teach us about Tolkien's work and philosophy. Keep it up!

@InkandFantasy

13 күн бұрын

Thank you, I really appreciate it!!

If Tolkien was alive,he'd probably hate Tolkien's vision.

I have no doubt he would have hated the existing trilogy. I think the thing he would hate most about it would have been that Jackson had Aragorn decapitate the Mouth of Sauron. Book Aragorn would never have committed such a black and dishonorable deed. That whole encounter was under a truce of parley. Aragorn violated it in the movie.

As an older Tolkien fan, I was afraid of this since the success of the original movies, but I've overcome my sadness over the pillage with this thought: Thanks to the current hype on Tolkien"s work, his legacy will live on. Like Shakespeare, or any other great, his work will many times be misused, but it will be remember. And there will always be those who will remember it rightly

I don't even know if it's greed at this point. Every decision looks like it was intentionally done to lose money.

Oh, I agree with your conclusion wholly. The fact that Tolkien sold it off doesn't mean we don't get to have an opinion. The buyers of those rights don't become "right" in some magical way. They just become legally able to do whatever they please.

@anni.68

Күн бұрын

Art is free. And adaptation does not have to represent Tolkien's view on Middle-earth.

I complettly disagree with Tolkien's veiw on America, since we where mainly founded by very religious people long before the founding fathers even. But I do understand his veiws.

I know from certain who individuals who have connections to the show that it was a nightmare behind the scenes. people were fired left and right, writers couldn't agree what story they wanted to tell, the show was originally about a young Aragorn, some wanted to adapt the Silmarillion but didn't have the adaption rights to the book, the Tolkien estate giving them a long list of things they could and couldn't do on the show such as referencing the movies (even though the showrunners wanted to connect ROP to the movies) writers being fired because they wanted to insert more woke elemets into the show and was met with disapproval, Tolkien selling out to Bezos on his tantalizing and money venture in making LOTR into the next Game of Thrones (which we all know how highly successful that was) a Tolkien scholar being fired, COVID19 impacting everything, the originally being 10 episodes but somewhere being changed to 8 instead, Jeff Bezos allegedly visiting the set and was furious on what he saw and demanded changes to be made in the middle of shooting. All in all, this show was produced with everyone's hands tied behind their backs, not really knowing what they wanted to do and the clock was ticking, and the best they could come up with was fan fiction.

Sometimes I wonder if the Public Domain can protect a story from defilement.

How’s your research on what Tolkien thought of Wagner coming along?

@InkandFantasy

13 күн бұрын

It’s going well, I’ve finished gathering the sources!!!

@cubaj8723

13 күн бұрын

I know you mean the musician, but for a minute I thought you meant the mercenary company. Now that would be a video I’d watch!

Sauron has a new name in the fourth age and it's name is Amazon.

Corporate greed? Oh, if it were only something so prosaic. The truth I fear is far more malevolent.

Would Tolkien ever have sold movie rights if he had foreseen the development of the CGI technology? IMO he could not imagine that movie visualization would some day advance so far that it had the power to replace reader's imagination, when it comes to a work so complex and otherworldly as LotR and Middle-earth.

I agree that greed is destroying our connections and care for each other and leading to increasing mental health issues. I don't agree that this is because we're losing our traditions. I think it's more that traditions etc. were things that connected us and bonded us together, and it's these things that gives us our "soul" not traditions. Traditions are merely in that sense one of the means to that end.

Adaptations are the most normal thing in the world. Shakespeare survived them and Homer and Jane Austen and Alexandre Dumas and the Bible. And Tolkien will survive them, too. The good adaptations - no matter if they are "faithful" or not - will be remembered, the bad ones will be forgotten. The books remain. And Middle-earth will grow and prosper. Without new adaptations and interpretations every book would sooner or later be forgotten. And of course adaptations have to make money. People in the movie industry have to be able to put bread on the table just like everyone else, too.

As an american, (I'm an Orthodox Catholic first, an american second). I firmly agree with Tolkien's critique of my country.

Well, Tolkien himself chose to sell those rights in 1969. After that day, he no longer had any say in what was done with them. Instead, he was 100,000 pounds more wealthy. That's the decision he made.

14:39, the answer is obvious ... taking a look into both trilogies Peter Jackson didn't respected the cannon writings by Tolkien changing the story as whatever he pleased, obviously a film like such is just an adaptation, being so loyal to the book can result in a cumber-stone adaptation, but the case of the Hobbit is far beyond to what was suppose to be .. let's be honest, the ring as per Tolkien writing is money and today the money is what rules the world even films, and Tolkien foresaw this behavior.

Unfortunately, I think the narrator of video hit the nail on the head.

The legacy is in the books, not Simon Tolkien’s greed.

@anni.68

13 күн бұрын

Do you seriously believe that Simon Tolkien usurped the throne of the Tolkien Estate and put every other member of Tolkien's family behind bars? It was the wish of Tolkien's family that Simon represents the Estate! Not to mention that Christopher Tolkien was in charge of the Estate when they offered the rights to amazon. Think twice before you insult people that you have absolutely no knowledge about. Think twice before you insult Prof. Tolkien's family! I have seen several interviews with Simon Tolkien. He is a kind, educated, thoughtful gentleman We are very lucky that he is more open minded about adaptations than his father, and I for my part agree with him, not with Christopher Tolkien.

Tolkien wouldn't even approve of the movies to begin with. So he wouldn't be okay with all the new media either.

What a depressing time to be alive.

Imagine if he had made it all open source. Yeah there would be garbage but a ton of new versions of it would have arisen, many that matched his views.

@anni.68

7 күн бұрын

Middle-earth adaptations don't have to match Tolkien's views to be good. An adaptation can have a completely different approach to Middle-earth and still be fantastic. It's really about time to stop worshipping Prof. Tolkien and embrace Middle-earth as our own.

@anubis2814

6 күн бұрын

@anni.68 Sadly rings of power had too much corporate oversight and completely missed the entire point, making it too over complicated for no reason, yet also dumb for no reason. The hobbit suffered from similar issues trying to pad the run time and shove in a pointless love triangle and weird wood elf hierarchy, marring a great new character of Tauriel who didn't deserve any of that stupid writing taking away from the plot

@anni.68

6 күн бұрын

@@anubis2814 I think season 1 had problems with the pacing. They tried to squeeze too many events into Galadriel's storyline. But that's just technical problems. IMO they did a wonderful job portraying Tolkien's great themes and the spirituality of the books. The way they handled the question of diversity in Middle-earth was also rather unprofessional, but that seems to be quite the fashion at the moment. They could have given Arondir, Disa and Miriel really good background stories. That would have been so easy, but they did not bother. I do not know what you mean by cooperate oversight. That's a pretty normal thing, especially with big, expensive productions like this. Tolkien was a master of love triangles. Every single of his great First Age stories has a love triangle. I am not kidding. Every single one.

@anubis2814

6 күн бұрын

@anni.68 While yes, there were love triangles, they had a point to them. This love triangle was shoe horned in with no purpose and added nothing to the story or plot other than corporate marketing deciding it was a plot point needed to appeal to a certain demographic they believed wouldn't come see the movie otherwise and if the makes something attempting to appeal to everyone, it becomes incredibly bland and generic, which is why most modern movies just suck, and it has nothing to do with diversity casting or wokeness and everything to do with marketing trumping creativity and what makes a good story as well as massively underpaying writing staff so anytime a big change is needed its up to the show runner and a handful of people who didn't write or love the script to fix it, instead of a whole writers room they used to have in the past where changes could be made to be at least somewhat coherent and rational. Everything involving the dwarves in rings of power was great. I'd just watch a movie about that depiction of dwarves and have a great time. The Numenor were hit or miss, while the elves were all irrational, stupid and back shabby as hell. The point of this show is to never trust an elf. The show was dwarvish propoganda. I watched to I think episode 8, then had it spoiled to me as to who Sauron was which was stupid and lazy on so many levels I just quit. The Harfoots were ok but added little to the story, just like with the human elf pairing which did little and should have either been their own show or not included at all because as you said overstuffed plotline. They needed to do them right or not at all. I have no interest in watching season 2 thanks to the way it will most certainly just show you elves once again being assholes and doing stupid things someone who has lived a thousand years should know better not to do

@anni.68

6 күн бұрын

@@anubis2814 I liked Elrond. He is one of my favourite characters. And I very, very much hope that they will do justice to Cirdan, my favourite Elf. It seems pretty obvious to me that the fight against the evil within is the core theme of the show. With Numenor it’s easy because we already have the King’s Men and the Faithful. The Elves are more difficult, especially Galadriel, because her depiction in the books is so contradictory. I do like the idea that they want to give her a character arch from Tolkien’s earlier, self-willed, proud and (regarding Feanor) even revengeful warrior princess to his late wise and humble Elven leader, but they exaggerated with her immaturity. Unfortunately this overshadows all her other, rather correct character traits. But.. the worst seems to be over. The beautiful barn scene was a huge turning point for her, therefore I am cautiously optimistic about her depiction in season 2. I loved her advice to Theo: „It darkens the heart to call dark deeds “good.” It gives place for evil to thrive inside us. Every war is fought both without and within. Of that, every soldier must be mindful.“ I am 100% sure that they plan to follow this struggle against the evil inside at least until the Fall at Numenor. After that they will most likely concentrate on the build up to the battle of the Last Alliance. I liked the Hobbits, especially Saddoc, Nori and Poppi, though the completely modern day diversity among their little tribe gave me a headache. Bronwyn is dead in season 2, but Arondir is still around, which is fine. I like him. I also liked Halbrand, he was cute and funny :) But you have to admit that Sauron’s reveal „I have been awake since the breaking of the first silence“ and the raft scene were awesome.

Bad adaptations do not destroy the original work.

@sakunaruful

10 күн бұрын

Agreed. The original material will always be there waiting for people to discover it.

@troffle

8 күн бұрын

They do. The adaptations crowd out the originals from the market. There are people who have never known Tolkien's text and based everything off the Jackson movies - and therefore, are convinced that pipe-weed is marijuana. Correct them with references from the text, and they begin abusing book fans. Asimov's "Foundation" was all about collaborative study, planning, intelligence, knowledge, the fate of the galaxy, human patterns... and AppleTV+'s adaptation have turned it into "magic psychic girl will save the empire". Doctor Who's first producer said the scripts were intended for whole families and intelligent children, would never talk down to children. Now the Doctor is supposedly an "avatar for the modern audience" and the show is pivoting to "fantasy" rather than science-fiction. And when talking about the foolishness of the modern characters, defenders say "it's always been like that" and cite ONLY THE MODERN SEASONS, never the original seasons. Bad adaptations CROWD OUT the original work until it's unknown.

Only one thing can be said....it's not looking good!!!! Either be it games, movies tv shows....these corporates don't care! Hell one would think that Lotr has ENORMOUS potential for video games and yet so far there has been so little actually good games that use the potential of the franchise!!! Hell amaozn MMO I'm not very optimistic about it! Hell one of the obvious choices to do would be to have a proper open world single player RPG set in this universe...and there has been none of that so far! A high quality lotr game like that would require a lot of passion, knowledge of the lore and how to utilize it in boht story and gameplay...and yet it would seem so easy on other hand...since Tolkien already did the most of the job for them!!!!!!! The example of the Witcher games shows how a developer studio can show a true passion for source material while making a game....that sort of approach is greatly needed for proper good lotr games!! Hell there is so much that one could do and they always screw it! Even if a lotr game wouldn't be particularly innovative in gameplay one could imagine them doing a good and most important lore faithful project that would be enjoyable....hell a Lotr game in style of Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Gothic or at least as Hogwarts Legacy, an open world immersive sandbox that would remain respectful of Tolkien's creative vision and allow us to venture into his world.....a lotr game that would be a sandbox in style of say,...Red Dead Redemption 2 for that freedom to live in this world with high quality graphics and physics allowing to enjoy the beauty of Middle-earth and some of it's realism! Or heck....even copy Assassin's Creed formula (it has been done somewhat already though with very lore breaking Shadow of Mordor and it's sequel) and model on the later titles to make something like.....AC Black Flag, mixed with Odyssey, Origins and Valhalla best elements...at least allowing us to explore the Middle-earth in proper way, and with sailing and naval combat hehehe imagine sea battles with ships of Corsairs of Umbar!!! :) Now that would be something.....as for other media....well after disaster of Amazon tv show and the upcoming animation War of the Rohirrim being no doubt twisted with agenda and messaging I have no hopes for any other movie projects!!!!!!!! These 'adapttions' are almost always getting worse and worse and worse.....hell Peter Jackson film trilogy was a lightning in the bottle and even it wasn't as perfect in some adaptational changes being done and so on.....but still the next projects were only steadily getting worse...Hobbit films...the show....so yeah the entire commercialization is a good point....though one would think that in sane world it could be done maintaining the artistic integrity.....hell Tolkien mentioned it either adopt policy of Art or Cash!!! But in the modern cynical world full of bullcrap well I can't see it done properly!!!!!!!

What he says about America is true to a point. However it is not true of us all. Speaking for myself, I will remain a Catholic "semi-hermit" and cling to my books. It seems to me that his writing was NEVER intended to be made into movies or tv shows. So far this sort of thing only makes his work a hollow, woke cartoon.

I think Tolkien's view on American culture was a bit shallow. There is that element that he rightfully criticized. Many of us criticize it ourselves. However, there is more depth here than what our idiotic media wants to depict.

Don't worry. Tolkien will live on, but nobody will remember this new garbage even existed.

The Lord of the Rings trilogy is basically a unique phenomena where it got big budget corporate support but retained it's essence of the original vision. It will never return again unfortunately. It's not that Rings of Power is bad, I thought it was just without soul. I was not invested in it at all. It doesn't do anything bold or spiritual. I only finished the season to confirm who was Sauron. It's like a cheap imitation of fantasy dramas that were good, like original Game of Thrones. There's so many crappy soulless fantasy adaptations right now. They don't get at the heart of what makes fantasy good or did. I feel like I'm following some cheesy middle school story that doesn't respect the viewers intelligence. Tolkien was a mixed bag with his politics in my opinion. I think his humanism and love of nature are great. He understood how modern capitalism destroys though his view of regressive to some sort of feudal society living off the land instead of a more progressive society. In my view, how he describes the orcs is like a metaphorical incarnation of militarism and how it corrupts and dehumanizes, rather than some evil foreigner or racist trope.

Is corporate greed destroying Tolkien's legacy? maybe. Not for those who read his books and stories. For those who are to lazy or stupid to read - yes. Do they hate Tolkien's legacy? No way! They love it because they can make money off it. Don't let your feelings about these corporations cloud your judgement.

The WOKE.

I really love Tolkien and I totally agree with him on his political and Christian views. As a Swede I can see that everything he warmed us about is becoming true. Europe is getting killed from within with mass consumption, Americanization, individualism, materialism, globalism, mass immigration and multiculturalism. Europe is slowly disappearing to become just a international shit hole with no identity and nothing that is special for Europe. Awesome video btw! You are very good, keep the good work up man! 👍🙌

@Hero_Of_Old

13 күн бұрын

Its being done intentionally

Tolkien would have loathed what Peter Jackson did with The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. Jackson's adaptations were abysmal, and unfortunately only the tip of the iceberg.

I see on the comments why racists and xenophobes love Lord of the Rings. Maybe Tolkien would like them, considering how conservative he was but I won't throw away the books. On the other hand, I can't stand the Amazon series, I find them even worse.

@anni.68

Күн бұрын

Being conservative has nothing to do with being racist or xenophobe. "I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all, I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White." (from Tolkien's Valedictory Address to the University of Oxford, 1959) "I...should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine.(J.R.R. Tolkien, Letter No. 30: Letter to Stanley Unwin (25 July, 1938) IMO season 1 of RoP was pretty good. The pacing was too "hasty", but apart from that I liked season 1.

his legacy is fine. people who dont dig past this superficial trash being made today arent ever going to understand his legacy

I think Professor's Tolkien's understanding of the American culture is overly simplistic. Americans come from many other older cultures and their cultures still exist as strains and aspects of American cultures. BUT his critique of aspects of American culture being to wealth focused, and to materialistic are valid.

Thr ring is capitalism..

How about instead of pushing an agenda we just leave the books alone. We don’t need new content just watch the movies, as much as we can blame the producers. People have been begging for LOTR content as well, we’re better off with the originals and that’s all we’re getting and that’s okay too. (If you approve this message please leave a like)

Christopher's opinion on the movies is insanity

@meduseldtales3383

13 күн бұрын

Christopher's opinion is the only one that holds any weight. The rest is just noise.

@Hero_Of_Old

13 күн бұрын

As much as I enjoy the movies, Christopher was 100% right.

@RoseBaggins

12 күн бұрын

And then there's Simon Tolkien's opinion on the movies ...

@meduseldtales3383

12 күн бұрын

@@RoseBaggins Simon is a TINO if ever there was one.

I love Token and I love his works. The stories of the first ages are some of the best stories I have read, but in my opinion, Token and his son, as well as the fanboys of his works, suffer from two problems. The first is megalomania and false elevation over others (philosophical, moral, and spiritual elevation), and the essence of this elevation is his works. The Lord of the Rings in particular, that is, they overloaded these works and tried to make them higher than they were (some people might say his mind is living an experience similar to a prophet or a religious leader). The second problem is that he produced works for young people in the first place without knowing that and refusing to do so. He admits this thing. He is simply very arrogant and happy with his works to the point that he does not see anyone reading them or caring about them. He suffered from this problem throughout his life until he died, and now Fanboy is suffering from it. Token created a world for young revolutionary leftists (it is possible to say that he is even a hippie). Without knowing it, his works did not attract the demographic he was hoping for. For this reason, Token died almost isolated from most of his fans and the lovers of the world he created, and he was content with communicating with a simple elite of them, (his favorite demographic). For this reason, there is always, it can be said, ideological hostility. Between him or those who claim to defend the essence of his works and between the general public or even the rest of his fans...an additional thing I want to say is that Token is a morally and philosophically stilted person to the point of irritation and hypocrisy at times. I think that he suffered, especially after the success of the works of The Lord of the Rings, from a complex of greatness and Purity, and I fear that some of you are beginning to suffer from it

@troffle

13 күн бұрын

1) please spell the name right 2) please use line breaks in your text 3) he originally wrote his books FOR HIS CHILDREN 4) he absolutely wasn't a hippie, he was a conservative, he compared himself to the Hobbits directly I'm not sure a single thing you've said is even slightly correct or true.

@walidmohammed2796

12 күн бұрын

@@troffle First, he did not write the legends as a whole for his children, just Hobbit, and when he finished publishing The Lord of the Rings, he modified the Hobbit to fit the events of the world. Second, I know that he is a conservative Christian. I was talking about the demographic that was attracted to his world (hippies). Third, in addition to what I said about his isolation. Regarding most of his fans (which, by the way, was true, search for it and verify it) My entire comment is an opinion. It is superficial for you to respond to me with the phrase “This is not true.” People have the right to share their critical opinions regarding your beloved author. Fourth, English is not my first language. I have problems with expression. Also, when I talk about Tolkien, I say token , as a simplification of writing again, English is not my first language

@troffle

12 күн бұрын

@@walidmohammed2796 Yes, I was referring to the Hobbit. My only problem with your expression is you not using more line breaks in your text, that has nothing to do with language.

I hate Jackson's Trilogy as well as it destroyed not just Tolkien's themes but killed His characters.

I have to disagree about Rings of Power. The show is more Tolkienian than PJ's movies, not less. Don't get me wrong, I love the movies, but PJ - in the words of Tom Shippey - teenagered the books to _sell_ the story to the young target audience. Rings of Power on the other hand is more mature and portrays all of Tolkien's themes and especially the spirituality of the books amazingly well. The first season was by no means perfect, especially the pacing of Galadriel's storyline was very "hasty" as Treebeard would say, but it was very Tolkienian. First of all the show has an appropriate overal tone. Like in the movies there is no GoT-like sex, cynicism and cruelty. And then we have Tolkien's great themes of Estel/High Hope, fear of death, love of nature and destruction of nature, the creation and the nature of Orcs, friendship and loyalty and the struggle against temptation and the evil within. a). Estel/High hope and faith in Eru Iluvatar and the Valar, represented by Galadriel when she is looking up at the Valacirca after hopping into Belegaer and by her advice to Theo that there are higher powers they have to trust into. The Stranger says the same to Nori: "Our paths are laid before us by powers greater than our own. In those moments it’s our task to make our feet go where hearts wish not to treat." And Bronwyn talks about the same belief to Theo, too. This theme is also beautifully depicted in the last exchange between Elendil and Miriel. They agree to stay on the right path, the path of the Faithful, "no matter the cost". b) The Numenoreans fear of death, so far represented by Pharazon's grief at the death-bed of Pharazon and the lyrics of the Tavern song of Isildur’s friends which ends with „Make our great land to ever stand ..Our swords to conquer death“. Of course season 1 was just the beginning. The contempt and envy of the Elves is already there, but this theme will get much more important in season 2 and 3, when Sauron will corrupt Pharazon and Numenor will fall. We already know that in season 2 the strife between the Faithful and the King’s Men will escalate. c) Love of Nature and the destruction of Nature by „The Machine“. A wonderful example is Arondir’s apology to the tree - he says “anin apsene”. The word “apsene” is notably used in Tolkien’s translation of the Lord’s Prayer into Quenya, in the line corresponding to “forgive us our trespasses”. Then of course the creation of Mordor. Very typical for Tolkien in this scenes is the combination of magic (the sword), crude technical devices (the key, the damm and the tunnels) and the industrialized use of Men power/Orc power. And in the beginning of episode 1 Galadriel and Finrod are sitting under Tolkien’s favourite tree!! That was a very touching little reference. d) Adar and the creation and nature of the Orcs, Morgoth’s „vilest deed“, and Tolkien’s own struggle with the concept of the Orcs. I think you will agree that Adar and the portrayal of the Orcs are one of the highlights of the show. e) The struggle with the evil within and the dangers of temptation, pride and ambition. In season 1 represented by Gil-galad's warning "perilous these are these whisperings" about the idea of forging Rings of Power and of course mostly represented by Galadriel. I especially like her advice to Theo: „It darkens the heart to call dark deeds “good.” It gives place for evil to thrive inside us. Every war is fought both without and within. Of that, every soldier must be mindful. Even I. Even you“, and I love the amazing scene between Galadriel and Adar: " "It would seem I'm not the only Elf alive who has been transformed by darkness. Perhaps your search for Morgoth's successor should have ended in your own mirror." IMO the barn scene was one of the best if not the best scene in all of season 1 and of course it was the turning point for Galadriel. She behaves too immature from time to time, but apart from that her portrayal is pretty accurate. f) The power of friendship. Well, obviously represented by Nori and the Stranger and by Elrond and Durin and Elrond's struggle with duty and loyalty.

@InkandFantasy

13 күн бұрын

Thank you very much for watching and for taking the time to comment, it was a very interesting read and the discussion on the topic is lovely!! Personally, while watching, I felt as if the showrunners were aiming for the occasional surface level Tolkienian aesthetic and vibe, though without the spiritual substance of the original work, which left the show feeling very unlike Tolkien, though that’s just my opinion of course! My biggest fear from seeing the Season 2 Trailer is that the Lord of the Rings will become “generic”, and regardless of the failures or successes of the PJ Trilogy, generic it was not xD Thanks again!!

@AndreasSelzer

13 күн бұрын

I believe you are incorrect, most of the people working on the show hated Tolkien and tried to subvert his message, including fake Tolkien Scholars. Peter Jackson on the other hand tried his best to stick to Tolkien's vision.

@anni.68

13 күн бұрын

@@InkandFantasy I had the same feeling, but I blame it to the hasty storytelling, not to a lack of understanding of Tolkien's themes. I think season 1 sometimes felt like it had too little substance because of the fast pacing. Especially Galadriel's storyline felt way too rushed. They tried to squeeze too many events into her story and made her zigzag across Middle-earth. Same with Celebrimbor. The result was the same like racing down a German Autobahn. You barely see the trees anymore, although they _are_ definitely there. You have to slow down to see and admire their beauty. Whenever the show slowed down, like in almost all of the scenes between Elrond, Durin, Disa and Durin's dad or in the barn scene or the final scene between Elendil and Miriel and in some of the scenes between Nori and the Stranger, the show got immediately better.

@jvercouillie

13 күн бұрын

@@anni.68 I totally agree on that final point.

@meduseldtales3383

13 күн бұрын

@@AndreasSelzer Nobody hates Tolkien more then Peter Morgoth Jackson. RoP creators are merely his apprentices. Ultimately the Fandom is to be blamed. By embracing Jackson's blasphemies they opened the door for the outrage of Hobbit, RoP and other upcoming projects.

Tolkien was 100% right. And @seancrane1431 is right too - there are those of us here in America who recognize the darkness of the direction of culture has moved in.