For those asking about the Uruk-Hai paint scheme here is a tutorial: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIKGpbBuYbK5nNI.html

@Wiseblood2012

Жыл бұрын

The deepest darkest of occult secrets....square bases.

@Guitarkalle

Жыл бұрын

Maybe I should have watched the video first haha

@davidstell6745

Жыл бұрын

You can find a large number of different size of movement trays for wargaming minis online and don't have to pay through the nose for them. GW were always good at over pricing their products. Try Sarrissa Productions or North Star Miniatures, to name but two.

I was one of the principle photographers for the War of the Ring rulebook. The reason we didn't use movement trays was because we started production on the book almost a year before the product was released, and the movement trays had not yet been made. So we had to use pieces of plasticard, which we just textured up and blu-tacked the minis to. If you think moving 50 minis is hard - imagine how many we had to keep moving for those battle shots 😉

@SpudsMcHaggis

Жыл бұрын

Big difference though is, you got paid to do that.

@mybawzarerichie

Жыл бұрын

I got that book when I was maybe like 11 alongside my first minis (I’m 22 now), I used to read and re read it constantly, looking at the battle photos and creating little stories for each of the minis and thinking how the battle would continue. You guys did great work.

@jimsowter

Жыл бұрын

@@mybawzarerichie that's so good to hear that. We were under a lot of pressure to do justice to the source material, as well as trying to inspire hobbyists to recreate those epic battles on their own tabletops. To this day, even after many other rulebooks, army books and codexes later, it stands out as one one of the best I had the opportunity to work on!

@mybawzarerichie

Жыл бұрын

@@jimsowter you guys did a fantastic job. I remember pouring over the battle of Edoras over and over and loving the mini story that was conveyed so well through all the pictures and general composure of the book. Can’t wait to dig out the book from my shelves and give it another re read

@Einherjar02

Жыл бұрын

I am french , and i love the photo you made... thank to your images, i dreamt a lot on the hobby. I am 40 year old now.... and it is time for my 8 year old boy to dream on your photos

It's amazing that you guys always discover something that historic miniature players have use like forever 😀

@ChrisKCook

Жыл бұрын

WFB guys too.

@ritalorenz1397

Жыл бұрын

Coming from Kings of War I am just like - why aren't Multibases standard. ^^'

@redtemple8918

Жыл бұрын

@@ritalorenz1397 actually having 46 hlaberdiers is far more satisfying than 1 base with 12 on to represent 46

@ritalorenz1397

Жыл бұрын

Well, I still play with my boyfriend FMC. The main issue in GW is that you have to choose a army leader that costs a ton of points and reduces your options significantly while you can play awesome spam lists in KoW. Last time I fielded a bit more then 540 Goblins. A similar list in WHFB 8th leads to about 380 models. Therefore KoW is superior in terms of masses. Same is true for Dwarfs, Undead, Orcs and so on.

@liamdonovan9413

Жыл бұрын

Lol it would take 10 years to play a WHF battle without movement trays.

Movement trays worked for War on the Ring because its a rank and file game, however Middle Earth SBG is highly positional and you can't really play with movement trays, each miniature must be 100% independent.

@ajtame

Жыл бұрын

This, each model is now it's own thing, so this video would be better off using sigmar or 40k stuff

"I'm using my wife's makeup brush to ensure an even coverage" dear god, Danny risked his life to bring us this video.

I have used movement trays for years. There are many out there, mdf, plastic, and even clear acrylic, in any combination of unit size. I like the way you painted the trays but a quicker method is using sand, small ballast and flock then adding little grasses. If you only game small forces then no need for trays. Great ideas re dry brushing using cheap acrylic paint.

Or you can put magnets on the bottoms of the bases and put them on movement trays covered in steel paper. Like I have been doing for the past 20 years.

@jpurgal

Жыл бұрын

Mic drop.

@deformiertergolfball4847

Жыл бұрын

yeah, easiest solution. there is even a company selling magnetized movement trails. idk why you would put so much effort, if its only about easylie moving your units. this way, you dont even need different sizes cause of different bases.

Back in the 1970s we used double sided sellotape on painted or more often unpainted trays made from Cereal Boxes. Later Blu tac on Lolli sticks. Was done to protect the paint jobs rather than speed up games. I guess we could have put more effort into it and some people did but I never had the inclination.

How do you use the trays in game? The precise movement and positioning of each individual model is pretty important for game play.

@JamMerchant

Жыл бұрын

Yeh it makes no sense at all. Assume hes not played MESBG at all as these would be more of a hinderance than help. No tournament would allow these and Im pretty sure the FAQ made them against the rules.

@NathanaelRouillard

Жыл бұрын

@@JamMerchant AFAICT tournaments are not actually the only way (or even the main way) that people play GW games, so being against the rules isn't really going to have much bearing on whether players like them enough to adopt them for any given game. If they're time constrained (maybe a lunchtime game?) this might be a way that they can speed things up to get their games in and completed within their gaming window.

@ESOdanny

Жыл бұрын

@@JamMerchant The war of the ring was a mass battle game mode made by GW that used movement trays. But i'm aware most people play lotr as a skirmish game where refined moment is crucial to victory. I really used it as a plot device for this video.

@Comicsluvr

Жыл бұрын

Not sure about the upcoming rules for Fantasy but movement trays were encouraged through 8th ed. Most players that I've gamed with don't measure to the 1/16th or even 8th of an inch. If your model is within 1/4 of an inch or less, it's considered good. So, as long as the width of the tray from the leading edge to the front of the base is less than 1/4" then the front of the tray is considered the front of the base.

@Messermarkmauritz

Жыл бұрын

So you Guys never played WHFB ? Evrybody played with movementtrays ....

Ah, yes... the good ol' days of The Old World. Will always cherish my one squad of, fully customisable, skeleton warriors. You could decide yourself wich angle for them to hold their weapons and sheilds. The movement tray were even included in the box! Good times, good times...

One and a half minutes into my first ESO video and I subbed and liked for the personality alone. Great job!

Someone mentioning a forth game. Me thinking finally someone remembers Inquisitor! Oh yeah warhammer fantasy... I'll go to the corner by myself.

@yesyesyesyes1600

Жыл бұрын

Yeah 😂🤣 I was like ... Epic? Gothic? Necromunda?? Mordheim??? DungeonQuest???? HeroQuest????? Oh ... WHFB 😳🤪

I can't believe you actually paint and play with lotr models. I've watched your videos of skyrim for years, they guided me in a wonderful journey and now THIS. I paint models too!

Just to be clear... models designed to rank up were not always in Warhammer. Many of the plastic kits were infamously very hard to get to rank up properly (the old skaven models being particularly bad, with their separate tails...). I remember how big a deal those Chaos Warriors you showed were when they came out, exactly because they had clearly been designed with rankability in mind (at the expense of a lot of the flexibility some of the older kits had).

It almost reminds me of a game I have seen before.... what was it called? Oh right! Warhammer fantasy! They must have realized movement trays would be too similar to WF and so removed them, though they are so much more efficient to use atleast at the start.

The funny thing is Conquest by para bellum comes with movement trays and yes people base them like you and it looks awesome! I never understood why GW was against them? I completely agree with you it make for a concise looking army.

I collected 40k orks a while back and I ended up HATING the movement phase because of all the boys. I’d generally ask my opponent for help lol. Now I only play old fantasy warhammer and the trays are SUCH a relief and look cool too (has that proper regimented look and you can field far more) . My Skaven are fielded in groups of 40 on magnetic trays which makes setup easy too . Really a bit fan of trays too.

Check out Kings of War - the game is built around movement trays/multibasing. Plays fast, straightforward rules but keeps tactical depth.

@yesyesyesyes1600

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought. If I remember correctly you don't even remove your casualities. So - good thing that the models won't suffer from deploying, moving and getting removed.

@Gaddafied23

Жыл бұрын

And you can use your current models. Rules are free! Best mass ranked tabletop game.

@ESOdanny

Жыл бұрын

How does it compare to Game of Thones song of ice and fire? I have more of a connection to that game lore wise.

@Gaddafied23

Жыл бұрын

@@ESOdanny more focus on movement and positioning as there's no NPC phase. More variability in units as they come in 3-4 different sizes too. Lore is a weak point but they are building on that with novels coming out consistently, a live setting where global campaigns move the narrative and other games to flesh out the universe - armada, dungeon saga etc.

@stonehorsegaming

Жыл бұрын

KoW is great if you don't like player interaction. If you like combat to be an exciting part of the game, try Oathmark, or Age of Fantasy.

Dude ESO, I didn’t realize you had this channel! I’ve watched so many of your Skyrim videos over the years. I’m just getting into tabletop gaming and this video was very informative and also made me laugh multiple times. Thanks!

The square bases from back in the day of Warhammer Fantasy worked like a charm. I never understood why that changed to round bases

"They will be cheap but glorious." Had me at cheap bro.

I've actually done this to MDF printed Squad trays for Star Wars Legion. One day I was sitting there looking at my units in their trays with their pretty bases and thought to myself I actually have nothing to do right now so maybe I should base one of these trays.

I love this game so much! Wish I could play with you! Your army looks amazing!

I like your bases, I think they look better raw and without the black rims.

Omg I didn’t know you had a table top channel. It really is Christmas.

I think you'd absolutely love kings of war multi basing.

That’s some saucy looking beserkers! How’d you get the flesh looking like that?

@esotabletop

Жыл бұрын

Thankyou! I have a video guide on how to do it yourself: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIKGpbBuYbK5nNI.html

I play Goblin Town, so 150+ gobs takes longer than 10 mins of movement. I tried using movement trays. They work well until terrain rolls or combat occurs.

@nicgreaves3484

Жыл бұрын

this is my thing with movement trays in mesbg: what are you supposed to do in combat where base to base is super important

Love the Elder Scrolls Soundtrack in the back ground off Oblivion 😁

Hey, I build that kit! You can print movement trays in an FDM printer

Beem following your ES vids for a few years, just found this (40k player)

I had no idea you did this kind of content! Diversity of content is so entertaining to see

@ESOdanny

Жыл бұрын

This is a 2nd channel, but great to see you here =D

@graymansolutions6195

Жыл бұрын

Me either. Glad to have found it, I thought you were Skyrim only, which I love too of course.

As a MESBG player, movement trays can make sense in only specific scenarios, but most of the time since the game movement is per miniatura, the don´t really make any sense

Kudos for adding the Oblivion dungeon music.

I would do without the black, you work hard to make it all fit together and the black breaks that illusion at the end.

The Old Warhammer has such Bases what a improvment xD

You should teach people how to make a croupier stick. To save time moving models.

perhaps you could use magnets under the base&trays to stop them from falling out?

@deformiertergolfball4847

Жыл бұрын

you could even just do a magnet tray so you dont need to use different base sizes and have multy use in every game you play. like 40k, sigmar, lotr, star wars etc.

Great video, War of the Ring was a great game that like all great GW games received little support or coverage, and is removed from sale.

@maevethefox5912

Жыл бұрын

I was coming here to say that. That game was amazing in so many ways, but the connection to their otherwise bungled LotR skirmish game killed any interest before it could start.

@olizapp

Жыл бұрын

yeah, wotr was/is a cool game, have tons of figures, but no players 🙄

Historical war gamer : “aww bless”

The oblivion music was a nice touch.

I think you are missing the point. One of the best things about MESBG is that each model is completely independent and may wander where it sees fit strategically. Why would you want to limit all of your troops to the exact same movement? This is a great video for War of the Ring players which was a different rule set, but for MESBG it's kinda redundant.

Great choice on Isengard!

Just what I needed!😊

Imperial guard player here, can't remember the last time I played a game with fewer than 200 models. Movement trays are the best. I 3D printed some for all of my infantry and made them to look like Gothic architecture.

I didn’t realize you made mini videos in addition to you skyrim vids. Cool! Love it!

Brilliant as usual!

Poor you... I play 40k Smurfs, Tyranids and Orks. I once deployed "Green Tide" which consists of 120 minimum Ork boyz models in a unit. Great fun :P

Every gaming store I go to still has a ton of the apocalypse trays lying around

I have watched this video 5 times already, Really love the basing. Looking forward to the tutorial!!

Could the infantry movement trays for CMON's 'Song of Ice and Fire' game be repurposed for this game?

Epic vid!

It's ironic that first Warhammer Fantasy had movement trays then Lord of the Rings had it as well. Then they killed Fantasy and eliminated the movement trays for Lord of the Rings. Then they made movement trays for 40k which were compatible for Lord of the Rings and Age of Sigmar which they then also eliminated. It's almost like they hate the games.

GW players just figuring out what historical wargames players have always done

@redtemple8918

Жыл бұрын

whfb always was rank and file, i think people are a bit forgetful of the best gw game released

Just playing a 550 point tournament with Goblintown. I had 70 models on the table...rounds took forever

Entertainment at its best. Thanks.

As a massive fan of SBG i will concede that the game perhaps does not scale to really large model count games very well. I feel like if you are having a larger game and moving lot of warriors together you and your opponent should agree to measure a few and then move everyone else into about the right place.

Nice, I did the same thing for my 40k orks, because there were a LOT of boyz 😆

Thanks for posting this excellent video! GW is obviously in it for the money and understands that their target audience does not necessarily have a long-term interest in game component continuity. If things are always in flux (figures, rules systems/versions, terrain, and even basing) they will make more $ coming out with new "innovative" products. I figured out decades ago that YOUR OWN basing and rules systems are always best/never go obsolete without your consent. Recommendation: Make up your own bases like these or consider buying steel baseplates and magnetic troop bases as I do (so you can easily change up troop spacing and transport your army, which may include lead and pewter figures as well as plastic). Don't be tied into what GW is selling at the moment; your gaming friends will see the light and join you in creative independence.

Me growing up with Citadel Miniatures and WH Fantasy. And being out of the Hobby for far too long was thinking why the hell are the bases round for a Tabletop game.

Did WFB ever leave the movement tray behind before GW cancelled the game? I used to play I think til around the late 90s, didnt see what happened to the game since then. I am aware that their LOTR game was set up to be a skirmish like warfare game but I only painted minis for wargamers by that point.

@triangulan

Жыл бұрын

Nah, WFB was the archetypal "rank and flank" game, so always worked best with movement trays. In fact, at the end units were getting larger and larger (you got bonuses for having units that were 10 wide, for example), so I would imagine they were *more* necessary, rather than less. LotR was *meant* to be played as a skirmish game, so I think they didn't really see the need for lots of co-ordinated movement until they released War of the Ring (which died a death, so I presume ws a bit of a flop for them). The game is built around the interplay of heroes and troops, so they didn't expect people to spam basic troops as much as they did (and part of the reason later editions introduced the *requirement* to buy heroes before troops, to get it back towards its intention).

This video started by itself and I was listening to it for a good while. Was just about to comment this sounds exactly like ESO and then….😂

Used to just make movement trays out of balsa wood/bass wood back in the day. And just flock it.

3:56 Thank you sooo much! 9:48 WARHAMMMER FAAAANTASY!!!!! BEHOLD! 9:58 YES TO THESE CHAOS WARRIOR SCULPTS....the best EVER mADE 10:18 NO TO THESE MONO POSE CRAPPY ONES

Lmao, subscribed for the Warhammer Fantasy bit

I wouldn't use pure black for the rings, a grey up from black or a dark brown

I have a question I've never thought about tell now..... Soooo in metric countries, do the use millimeters for movement??

@redtemple8918

Жыл бұрын

na still inches, ive seen weirdos convert it but for no reason at all, single digit numbers are far easier to handle and all measuring tapes have both units

the pain is real - im on the fence with movement trays as i play armies that thematically make no sense for me to be in nice ranksl, but moving my 60 gors, then 20 bestigors then 20 Ungors made me re think my position....

@the98themperoroftheholybri33

Жыл бұрын

There's many orientations of movement trays, there's the line uniform ones like shown here and the less uniform ones which were briefly shown when he showed the Apocalypse game, the company which makes these MDF movement trays also make less uniform designs too for your horde armies

The issuenis not the lifting, or the waiting time. The issue is you are often playing on a timer - you have to finish the game so you can get a good nights sleep, or you are at an event and needs to finish the game to be ready for the next game.

ESO - was there a 5th Game? A Western Cowboy themed one or did I imagine that from childhood?

I didn’t know you did miniature Wargaming ?!

I remember the trays were £2.50 for a pack of 3!

I feel this pain, infantry guard. just breached one thousand....

Hehe, I actually have 10 Black Orcs wielding swords and axes in the same pose, on square bases, sat beneath my TV as I watch this. I have the original Warhammer fantasy game box and intend to paint it "some day".

What do you mean, "Most men do not know what 6" is"? It is simple, fold in half and measure from the base. The problem is getting the base to the starting point of the movement without demoralising your troops.

Here I thought your mysterious fourth game was gonna be Blood Bowl.

I'm sorry but can we acknowledge the Elephant in the room here? Seconds not Secounds!

Problem with square bases is how close the models are to each other. you can see how old old Slaves of darkness have their elbows next to their sides to fit next to each other. new slaves are in more dynamic poses etc.

Really got back into miniature painting thanks to seeing one of your videos on the LOTR figures. Having found all of the figures i got as a kid with the magazines which gave you a figure every fortnight. And metal ones for the main characters. Currently working my way through the mass of goblins. 👍

From kreativ perspektiv i prefer the round bases, but i undstand your issue in game play, couse i my self ones had 100 Urok'ais however you spell it. Back in the days we solved the issue with a huge pizza and coca cola xD

eso tabletop: but there was a 4th game me: ah yes i remember dreadfleet eso tabletop: warhammer fantasy! me: but it was the precursor, it was not a third system, it was their first

3:15 Tracespiracy!

Charlie Foxtrot Miniatures sells cheap laser cut bases check em out i bought a bunch for my American Civil War miniatures

Wait a minute, this is the Skyrim gaming video dude?

Looks great but will not work well with the game rules. Base contact means the bases need to touch

These not just Orks, these the Hai-falootin Orks.

At this point, I can't even count how many movement trays I've 3d printed for MESBG

"but dont worry, you can find them on ebay for quadruple the price" lol so true

Movement trays... "The dark side is a pathway to many abilities, some consider... unnatural.."

ok so wood MDF is solution ;] nice i found mine for my old one one ;]

Just buy em from renedra they are 1 piece plastic. But for MESBG you need to take them out of the trays for combat

If GW wants to charge an arm and a leg, and they are solve so many problems, why wouldn't I print them for $1 each?

Im not convinced that every opponent will agree with a shield wall that is about one full 25mm base wider while sitting on a movement tray than one without a tray. Since you can guard a broader choke point with less models whilst holding your shieldwall...

plastic card bases been basing my minis for years like this. And coast pennys.

Audio levels need work around 1:00. Your VO is drowned out by your film audio and it's hard to hear you clearly

Plot twist: MESBG doesn't use unit cohesion Still useful to have movement trays though.

As a Custodes player, I do not have this problem

I still have my fantasy battle minis and still on square bases and on the original movement trays. Guess what nobody in the group of people who I game with care's because there minis are on them to. 🤣😂🙏😇🇺🇸

Paint the rims. So that the model can be called ‘done’

Just 4 games? Dark future, blood bowl, man o war, hell. Sleigh wars if your talking give aways in White Dwarf. The road you tread is longer than you think, sir. 🙂