divers are fun

@GateBreakerZ

Жыл бұрын

Yeah yo either one shot or die yourself

@DronesOverTheMoon

Жыл бұрын

Killing them is more fun

@Mirko-bq9bl

Жыл бұрын

Video ended

@sweetshoez

Жыл бұрын

xd

@loganwatt7375

Жыл бұрын

Perfect comment

Divers have basically everything. Speed, damage, durability and cc. They are good at both dueling and teamfighting. The only thing they lack is a solid neutral game and reliable disengage. Its not really surprising that they are so popular when they have so many things that players find appealing whole having downsides that people tend to overlook.

@maximusmirabueno9808

Жыл бұрын

Wait, isn't jarvan really good in neutral? He is classified as a diver, but his q makes it really good poking tool

@lashedandscorned

Жыл бұрын

​​@@maximusmirabueno9808 jarvan is good at everything good peel for your teammates too can play shield based tank if you run ingenious hunter with eclipse, fimbulwinter, and ionian boots phase rush or grasp for primary keystone (I usually go phase for jg and grasp for top)

@timercolen1586

Жыл бұрын

Also there downsides only really matter in organized play. You can't trust your teammates in solo queue and the enemy can't either. I don't know if the alistar will react to the diver and peel for me as an ADC. Will the lulu polymorph the irelia before she hits her combo on me. Also from a support angle will me pushing away the diver make my adc believe they can win and they double kill us.

@brytondodds4305

Жыл бұрын

Cough, cough *Camille* Cough, cough.

@saintpres4ge533

Жыл бұрын

@@maximusmirabueno9808 The problem with that is that his e q is also his engage and disengage, so by using his q, during the cooldown the enemy can jump your team or you can't engage until it's back. Plus the range isn't that long so you'll get poked or hit by the adc if you go to q without engaging

after the buffs reksai finally feels like diver but with bruiser items she cant die now and she is so OP top/jg now

@walkelftexasranger

Жыл бұрын

Well Riot will nerf her next patch, since when Rek'sai is viable, she is terror in prop-play and Riot doesn't like that.

@Moxie2017

Жыл бұрын

@@walkelftexasranger the new patch notes are out, and no nerfs in sight HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH sorry im just excited shes finally truely op

@Kilesfactor

Жыл бұрын

I think that this is valid. I remember a game where there was a 10 minute (ish) afk Kog'Maw and after kog came back, an afk Ahri. Rek'Sai just won the game for their team somehow being the MVP of that game despite having such a rough start. Oh yeah and Kog' Maw did more damage than me despite being afk for 10 minutes :)

@likebotting784

Жыл бұрын

@@Moxie2017 I’ve been learning her again this patch she’s so fun!! I hope she dodges nerfs for a few more patches

@mikadeksjur653

Жыл бұрын

I mean reksai is the best champion to take place of broken one. She cant 1v9 ever atleast.

honestly i'm still struggling to really see the difference between skirmishers and fighters, especially divers. so many champions seem to blur the line

@seb3751

Жыл бұрын

Skirmishers are not as tanky/engage heavy, while divers aren't as good 1v1 and don't have as much dps (aside from their burst combo)... Think Yasuo vs Diana or Irelia vs J4 Some champs do blur the line but that's mostly because of their build, think prowlers claw Renekton/Reksai before the recent prowlers nerf, or Pantheon/Vi/Lee Sin with Eclipse

@mal9369

Жыл бұрын

Well, the distinction is for the ease of discussion. Many Champs DO blur the line. But talking about the hypothetical archetype makes discussing strengths and weaknesses generally easier

@inbeing3464

Жыл бұрын

Its simple. Divers are more durable than skirmishers, and also have stronger cc, but in return their mobility is extremely situational and they have less damage. This makes them better at teamfighting than skirmishers. Skimishers have better mobility and damage, but lack durability and cc. This makes them better at small scale fights and 1v1s. That said, this does not mean that divers dont do much damage or that skirmishers dont have disruption. They still do, its just they are a lot more conditional than their counterparts

@here1334

Жыл бұрын

fighters are generally a bruiser archetype, basically think warwick, darius, olaf, etc. these champs have a lot of built in ways to mitigate damage as well as better defense stats etc and maintain that idea of giving as well as taking a beating. slayers are much squishier, their archetype is more like a rogue or something , they prefer to "evade" attacks through more esoteric means i.e. windwall, twilight shroud, gwens mist, fioras parry, etc. theyre more like melee marksmen (for skirmishers) and melee burst mages (for assassins), while fighters are either tank defenses without a tank's engage (juggernauts) or tank engage without a tank's defensive capability (divers). of course, there are some blurrings of the line with abilities i.e. tryndamere's ult making him into a diver almost or rengar being able to tank 3 health bars worth of damage but even moreso with abusable items, like sunderer fiora, prowlers renekton, jaksho yasuo/irelia/yone/everyone really, duskblade heca, and so on. these are probably the biggest things that made people confuse between the two classes imo. but still, u wouldnt call ezreal a bruiser champion just because blue build is meta again. like take yasuo without any items, for example, his only way to mitigate damage with no lifesteal is his passive shield and windwall, which is a very situational and conditional tool. vs. a darius, he will get shredded instnatly, while an irelia or wukong will be able to facetank it for a lot longer due to the sheer value of irelia's damage reduction, wukong's passive as well as the higher base defense stats. yeah fiora and tryndamere will probably be able to facetank for a similar amt of time due to their unique defensive abilities, but they are edge cases imo and they dont have other qualities that fighter champions possess. i also feel like one way to differentiate them is by threat range and how easy it is to exert that pressure. a camille or irelia or vi or hecarim can instantly close the gap of an entire screen and engage onto you with hard cc, while someone like yasuo or rengar, while they could maybe use their innate mobility to close the gap decently fast, u will still be able to kite them away or just run under tower as they would also need to prep up 3rd Q or empowered E respectively. gwen will ult you but that's just a slow and she only has a small dash, jarvan will eqr u and have u stuck in a tight place with him for like 4 seconds (idk the actual time). zed can waste his shadow and ult just to close the gap onto you but renekton will dash twice through a wave and bluetooth point and click stun you. meanwhile, juggernauts have a smaller threat range than both skirmishers and divers but have probably the easiest and most consistent way to enact that threat but it feels like with the passing of time, and this is nothing new, riot just loves to keep adding more and more juggernaut/diver (and even assassin) capabilities to skirmishers, like gwen's free defense steroid in the mist and yone's entire existence. they are making the terms "skirmisher" and "diver" feel more like archetypal benchmarks from which champions selectively take qualities, mix and match and have varying degrees of likeness to. but these archetypes are still clearly different and distinct on paper.

@bigsmoke4592

Жыл бұрын

​@@here1334 that makes sense in some way but it also doesn't fully convince me that gwen, jax, master yi or yasuos defense is meaningfully different from garen irelia or mordekaiser.

castle crashers music at the start so good

Orianna and Seraphine dancing and singing together while casting abilities looks so cute

@adelxiii6327

Жыл бұрын

When ? Time please :3

@pikminologueraisin2139

Жыл бұрын

Seraphine = disgust, not "cute"

@FeiFongWang

Жыл бұрын

Remember until Skarner get's his rework, Seraphine is using the dead souls of an innocent race to power her voice.

@joranvanolphen9892

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, i thing they would be a pretty terrifying bot duo. Orianna can shield seraph so she can heal. Ori can slow so seraph E can root (double cast = stun) both poke the hell out of you. Seraph goes liandra’s and ori has the flexibility to go echoes, shurelia’s or ludens. Both go tear so they will have a lot of mana. And an ori ult inot seraph ult could be devastating

Of all archetypes, divers are the least reliant on teammates. You have enough power to 1v1 early but can also 1v5 in late game against a grouped enemy team. The lead you need to do so isn't small, but the potential is there. Other archetypes sacrifice some kind of potential - gap closing, AoE power, cooldown length, durability... something. In exchange they snowball more easily and 1v1 early more reliably, but they rely on their team to cover whatever weakness they have.

I've always felt that "Fighter" should be Juggernauts Divers Skirmishers And Assassins should be their own class. It's not like there isn't a precedent. Mages have 3 subs and Marksmen have none (neither do specialists but thats only cuz they're all so different)

@luckas221a

Жыл бұрын

Marksmen are divided, though. At the very least you got Caster Marksmen (Ezreal, Xayah, Samira, arguably Aphelios and Jhin) - marksmen whose primary damage source is abilities rather than autos. Vs regular marksmen. But I would also separate them between Rushdown Marksmen (like Draven, Vayne, Lucian and Tristana), and Utility Marksmen (Senna and Ashe, mostly, though varus with that huge slow, heal cut and CC on ulti could be a contender here, but also as a caster).

@cherno8336

Жыл бұрын

​@@luckas221a no... being an AA or a q doesn't change the play style only the button you press

@AtomBacon

Жыл бұрын

@@luckas221a rven though people do refer to these. The official class list does not sub divide Marksmen

@MissChambersxo

Жыл бұрын

Skirmishers are such a weird subclass. They’re kind of the 1v1 melee carry class generally but some feel more like fighters like Riven, and others feel more like assassins like Yone. Some are just more damage oriented bruisers like Fiora or Irelia, others are full on like glass cannon hypercarries like Yi or Yasuo. I honestly think a lot of Mages play way more like Assassins than some of the Skirmishers. A lot of Burst Mages like Zoe, Ahri or Syndra are way more about blowing up priority targets than someone like a Bel’Veth or Gwen is. But at the same time, Skirmishers tend to have way more mobility to get to their targets and escape fights than what you’d think a Fighter would have. So in that aspect, I think having them as Slayers, the class focused on getting to enemy champions and dispatching of them, makes more sense than Fighters. Especially since a lot of Skirmishers are really squishy but have situationally defensive abilities to make up for being DPS champs that have to get in melee range and to give them really good 1v1s, whereas assassins are the burst equivalent where they don’t have as good defensive options or DPS but exchange that for being able to blow people up in 1s. Both assassins and Skirmishers don’t really have that much in the way of CC and have 0 utility, nearly all of their power is in the ability to get to and kill other players and get away with it. But there’s a lot of blur.

@lssjvegeta7103

9 ай бұрын

@@AtomBacon *adcs

I love the castle crashers music! Nice Video Vars!

@Jim-of-Rohan

Жыл бұрын

Tysm. I couldn't place it

Olaf is certainly not a diver, especially after the mini-rework. He is a juggernaut. He has less mobility than a Garen, Udyr, Volibear, Shyvana, Aatrox, Mundo, etc. He is also packed with back-loaded damage, meaning he likes to extend duels like most juggernauts. The only defining "diver" quality of his is his ultimate that lets him bypass CC, and get to the backline, but so can Sett, Shyvana, Volibear. He also has to run to the backline and constantly auto-attack a target to maintain his CC immunity.

@papaxota4725

Жыл бұрын

he straddles the line between both. But imo he leans more towards the juggernaut subclass

I blanked out jamming to castle crashers music within the first 30 seconds

I would love to see character specific rundowns less about builds and more how synergistic their kit is with themselves and how'd you'd tackle any balance issues if any at all. Sort of like perfectly balanced but Perfectly balancing

@MaverickMyth

Жыл бұрын

Great idea! This would be nice to see.

3:55 "Mantheon" 😂😂😂

I’m so glad you put music that’s in castle crashers in this video! I love castle crashers!

There's a specific feeling of saying "WE BALLIN'RIGHT NOW" and entering at the middle of the chaos of enemy team knowing i'll probably be dead at the end but so their carries

Divers also bring powerfull ultimates that do large AOE and have big flashy animations. That makes them soo satisfying to play. With a team of all divers and you can do one of the most satisfying things in video games. A wombo combo

Many divers also have at least 1 thing in their kit that lets them do damage to turrets when your team has forgotten they exist. Xin's Q, Vi's W and E, Wukong's W-E the minion then Q the turret combo, Udyr's Q, Bel'Veth's passive, Lee-Sin's passive just to name a few. Perfect for shoving an empty lane or soloing an objective while there's a stalemate on the other side of the map.

Very much enjoyed the editing in this video

I'd love to see a video, or a series, about your thoughts on some off meta builds.

The edits have become so much better, wow, idk if you got more editors or take more time on the video, but it looks amazing.

@PyroAquaVentusDragon

Жыл бұрын

His channel really is becoming ever so enjoyable to watch. I am going to try and pretend that the word assassin on screen in the beginning wasn't spelled wrong and shown for an uncomfortable amount of time. Can't be an assassin ripping people's butt cheeks a part without two asses.

I love your class series, vanguards would be a fun next one.

that castle crashers ost.. nice video!

the edits were great with this one i like it

The editing in this vid was so good

yes yes yess more class videos please i just love theseeee

Can we talk about the glorious editing done at starting at 5:30. Simply Magnificent

Great song choice 😊

1:04 We're going over divers, with how DIVERSe.

*laughs in Zilean Supp who doesn’t die and slows you under turret*

love the castle crashers music :)

I thought my second favourite champion was a specialist, but upon looking it up was surprised to find out they were a diver.

@infiniteearth6996

Жыл бұрын

whos that ?

@firek4306

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, who is that?

@yoisakikanade_

Жыл бұрын

i assume thats skarner? seems like the most likely diver that to be confused with a specialist haha

@AtomBacon

Жыл бұрын

@@yoisakikanade_ wrong bug

@confusedbees

9 ай бұрын

​@@AtomBaconRek'sai?

this video is edited really well

"If you play a team of tanks you have no damage" -*laughs in Jak'Sho*

@ignacioperez5479

Жыл бұрын

and if you play a team of tanks with no damage, why play one to begin with?

@marixsunnyotp3142

Жыл бұрын

Heartsteel and defensive stats scalings:

As an aram player, Divers are the most consistent way to have an impact (maybe other than hard poke). It doesn't matter what the team needs, seeing a J4 on my team is a good thing. He could go Duskblade prowlers syreldas if we need burst, gore cleaver dd if we need someone to slug it out with a juggernaut, or jaksho gargoyles warmogs if we just need some hard frontline engage

i mean if you have a champion that is tanky,deals alot of dmg, has good mobility which low key deletes the range advantage, plus you can have mutiples of them with minimum to no weakness at all. its an easy pitch to sale. Its equivalent having 5 supermans on your team vs 5 enemy batman.

The War Machine OST from Castle Crashers is fiting music for divers

Banger vid 🧙🏾‍♂️

The SAO abridged reference has made my day

Why are divers played a lot? Bc "go in and fight until you die" is a very broad definition which leads to a lot of potential in how to make the champions, which leads to some really fun champions and to a lot of champions belonging to this role.

Can Zac be next in this series, Vars? The Everyone/Noone plays series.

Damn castle crashers is nostalgic, good choice in music

Before wathcing the vid: Because they are all in, and therefore require less time psent thinking. It's do or die. Most people can't handle having to balance map awareness, micro spacing, resource management and mind games all at once, so they go full dive and blame the rest for dying 1v4. Tlrdr: most people suck.

is that the castle crashers music in the background?

is that the castle crashers theme in background?

Did you just call him Metheon? I had a good chuckle over that one. I'm coming after you.

just now realised background music is from castle crashers:D

About half way though I noticed the music is castle crashes and I lost focus of the video due to nostalgia

Wouldn't Diana be more of an engage diver with her long range Q-E engage, high burst and AoE CC ult ?

Not the castle crashers theme in the background

This every man for himself mentality is why i had to swap to a champ like Hecarim and Vi. I loved having the durability of a tank when i was a voli main but even if i reached the mid to late game super fed the lack of gap close options outside of run at them with q meant adc's could just kite me out unless i had my flash to gap close. Now i just build a tankier fighter build where i can still frontline engage while having yhr gap close to eliminate backline carries

YOO THE CASTLE CRASHERS MUSIC YEAHHHHHH

diving into the enemy fountain

no wonder why i say and will keep saying that Fighter are broken in general ; Tankiness , Dmg (armor shredding , brute , % max health) and mobility ; so fucking funny to play against a champ with all the tool to win at almost any moment of the game , u either lose lane to a fighter or win as a fighter ; tank into tank , mage into mage , and so on for the matchup with no "all the tool u need"

Castle Crashers music going hard!

Yo can you make a Shen vid?

"It doesnt matter if ziggs can jump away from 1 person, but the other 4 can still jump on him" But jumping away creates distance from everyone... as long as they are all coming from the same side. A team of 5 divers has a huge problem: it requires good coordination and flanks. Yeah good luck with coordinating in soloQ

is it just me or is that the castle crashers theme song playing in the background

I am really surprised you did not include Kled in this conversation about Divers, particularly Battle Diver. Not sure if your list was complete or examples.

@ooshoowo

Жыл бұрын

kled's a skirmisher

@user-bw9wz1jd9l

7 ай бұрын

​@@ooshoowoNope OP is a Kled main he got exposed here

remember heca not only gets resistances from w but also omnivamp from your and ally damage lmao

Castle crashers music in the background, WHAT YEAR IS IT??

I have countless penta kills but he most memorable was when i was playing Diana, all 5 enemy was leaving their base from mid lane, i came out the jungle from bottom side red into mid. i flash q ult and got a instant penta kill. I nuked the entire team with my spell rotation they did even had time to react. i did even expect to kill all five my goal was to kill their carry even if i die to give me team the advantage

I always thought champs like Renekton, Wukong, Irelia and such shouldn't be in the same subclass as J4, Hecarim, and Camille. I like your classification between Battle divers vs Engage divers.

castle crashers bangers, nice

dive in the tower like a like

Is shyvanna a diver or skirmisher when built with tri-force? When ap I know she’s a burst mage

7:40 if Im a 5 item vayne and I see an alone illaoi thats free dmg. Maybe a kill if she is alone enough. Even if she hits e you can use your e to send her away and not allow her to hit the soul

3:57 Mantheon? He hides behind a shield after a point and click dash stun.

The SAO abridged meme... Dam this series doesn't receive enough love...

where is the used music from? it sounds familiar

I see no mention of rengar. Hes classed as a diver for some reason but if you look at it all these champs dont have to trade 80% of their damage for that survivability the others have. Think they should reconsider the tag. Hes got an all in ultimate sure but the passive is situational mobility that helps you stick to a target not reposition.

Fuck yeah, castle crasher music

Mantheon is the peak of satisfying game play.

THE QUEEN IS BACK!!!!!!!!!

Diver = another adc nightmare Nice video vars :)))

Yeah...the only problem with the options of divers is that people can't hide their ego and use second mode of their champs to peel ADC if he is ahead or peel anyone

shame i can't seem to play or find anyone to teach me any of these champions even know i want to play camelia so badly as i enjoy her playstyle and its the closest thing to my normal champion pool

jarvan ult jumpscare: GRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

@Kilesfactor

Жыл бұрын

DEMASIA~~~

@firek4306

Жыл бұрын

DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *one shots you*

Castle crashers music thooo

dianna short cover? maybe our dianna but man u didn't see enemy dianna before

Everyone can oneshot everyone unless you're a tank *casually gets oneshot by full tank malphite/rammus/ornn*

@marixsunnyotp3142

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile certain enchanters barely dealing burst damage with 500+ ap

You saying that divers got a lot of changes over the years made me realize how true that is for the first time. For example: J4 for YEARS his entire job was to jump in, blow someone up/lock them down, maybe get a fat ult, and then die. It was always the idea that, even when building tank, you were a diver. You would go in, and you would die for it, but maybe your team can clean up after if you did your job well enough. But now, well I probably don't need to tell you how the average player would react to a j4 going 1 for 1 every single fight.

Why overthink about if you want to pick diver skirmisher slayer tank assassin or engage when you can pick Ornn or K'sante and be all of the above and then some

Would rengar count as a assassin/ diver hybrid his gameplay is similar to a diver in certain aspects

The problem is that most divers are really bad duellists. Diana, Jarvan, reksai, aside from Warwick, most divers suck in 1v1s. Even Camille loses to most juggernauts and skirmishes in duels

This video explains why my wukong with my friend’s xin works so well. We just click on them and they die.

Dame I remember when ekko and can be play as a diver

Even though divers are vastly more popular than any other class. I’d say that in the end it’s generally a good thing for league. These character who are always a solid pick allows for comfort in learning the games more difficult mechanics and also learning them will never be a waste because even though picks like Diana and hec are either non existent or pick or ban, they’re still good in their non existent periods. And still other classes aren’t completely walled off, mages and marksmen have always been relatively prevalent, engage and enchanter supports always flip flop but they aren’t worsened due to divers being popular. In general even though divers are prevalent and get better the more you have, they never dominate the rift the same way Zeri, Yuumi, and other champs have.

Is nunu and rakan classed as diver?

How about you Dive into a heroes of the storm video? That hot new miba that all the cool kids play yes?

Thanks.

My champ embodies all of this in every way, Kayn the slayer juggernaut XD

I am seriously wondering your work ethic because the samus video yesterday, and 2 videos on the other 2 channels simultaneously. Sleep man.

Wasn't Olaf a Juggernaut though?

castle crashers OST 🙏

It's just having mobility is fun

because every now and then we want to say fuck it and jump straight to enemies backline

pantheon mid bullies my adc ass all game but hey "pantheon falls of in the late game" and i have 4 items, suffering will pay off now :) pantheon ult, stuns, 2 shots my jinx anytime i show anywhere on the minimap

@lowweather8401

Жыл бұрын

Well he falls off mean he is not as strong as his early not he’s weak late game

@albertwesker3299

Жыл бұрын

Pantheon being weak late game is a holdover from before his rework where he actually was weak then after 25 minutes. Nowadays he has enough utility (E damage block) and damage (R armor pen) to help keep him in the game come mid and late game. Not to mention his synergy with items like Bork and cleaver for his W make him still one shot things.

Hi Vars. Whos Q abilities would you swap with their R ability? I think we know one Champion, /Camile/.

@hikihikiki

Жыл бұрын

God, Camille R on Q would be broken af though if you swap the CD as well. Immunity, free lockdown every 4 seconds?

@bullettime1116

Жыл бұрын

So you'd make Camille even better?

Divers are jacks of all trades, damage, defense, mobility, versatility, and even utility. They don’t excel at anything but are good in any comp.

Why isn’t zac a diver? I understand he can be built as a tank and has more tanky elements, but I feel like, especially with his passive and damage, coupled with his E, and his multiple knockups for defense make him a diver no? Cause while he won’t be able to one shot a Darius, he can do the same as someone else in a little more time.