Just to expand in why old Poppy's passive was arguably the most broken passive ever for a fighter, if any instance of damage would deal more than 10% of her max HP that damage was halved, it also worked BEFORE resistances which meant that she would take half damage on late almost all the time

@kauanjos3199

Жыл бұрын

Yeah damage reduction is broken in any game lol

@ali200800500

Жыл бұрын

I think it was based on current health

@VanNguyenVNA

Жыл бұрын

@@kauanjos3199 I thought things like Galio W, Irelia W or Exhaust are pretty balanced though? So long as it has a downtime for the enemy to take advantage of

@kauanjos3199

Жыл бұрын

@@VanNguyenVNA yeah with down time it's completely fine because you're not gonna be hitting galio while he does it, but poppy was permanent it was always up

@VarsVerum

Жыл бұрын

Wait it was BEFORE damage calc? That's fking horse.

With Gangplank, I would like to mention the absolute jank that was his ultimate before they literally killed him for his rework. Old GPs R covered about the same area as it does now, but instead of dealing consistent damage in the target zone, it would randomly drop single canon balls somewhere within the aoe. I can't remember exactly how large the hitboxes were (somewhere between one Teemo and a Syndra Q I think), but it was entirely possible to cast a well placed ult and have it do nothing at all. You could ult the Baron pit and not hit Baron once, it was glorious.

@Kmn483

Жыл бұрын

Omg I forgot about that! I played some GP before his rework and that ult was so frustrating. The new one might hit like you're throwing pillows, but at least it's consistent.

@lurkhive3352

Жыл бұрын

GP taking yellow flat CDR runes, scaling blue, and red CDR. Walk the minions up the lane and you could raise morale twice on the first wave. Only thing better was if you had Zilean with old passive mid or support.

@ElGrandeIngenio

Жыл бұрын

@@lurkhive3352 oh yeah, the old Zilean passive was something else, it looked like it would do nothing when looked at through my newbie eyes, but damn that thing was broken. the whole team gaining additional exp from all sources is just straight broken, as you outlevel the enemy basically everytime and always get the ult powerspike earlier

@lurkhive3352

Жыл бұрын

@@ElGrandeIngenio Zilean + Raise Morale was quick to a 2 level advantage. Only running smite Mord Mid and staring at old wolves was more OP. Literally walk into first wave level 2.

@Utsuhoagie

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was really frustrating, but I also think it "feels" better to use because it really feels like a barrage, rather than unrealistically having multiple cannonballs fired at the same rate

I played a decent amount of old Quinn. There were 2 reasons they gave for the change. First, as they were still pushing her as a botlane ADC, and as such thought that making her melee as an ultimate was counterintuitive to what an ADC wanted to do. The second reason was that it was actually kinda broken if you played her as an assassin. It was incredibly fast so you could chase a target easily even if they flash and dash. The Valor Vault kept them in melee range rather than jumping off of the target backwards a bit. (Overall, cast times were essentially removed from her abilities in ult form). Couple that with good AD ratios and undodgeable damage plus her Skystrike dealing a lot more burst (execute damage) than it does now and you have yourself a zero-counterplay 100-0 assassin. I miss old Quinn a lot.

@hardlo7146

Жыл бұрын

She was also really fun as a bruiser, unkillable tabky 😂

@DejaraUndead

Жыл бұрын

I too miss old Quinn. when she came out I figured it out pretty fast that Early to Mid game you would play her like a lane bully ADC like Draven and when Late game came around you would transition to a more assassin-like gameplay finding that one person by themself to get a pick.

@worldiefeard8396

Жыл бұрын

@@DejaraUndead to be fair, that kinda still is the fantasy nowadays. Except she does that in toplane where she has easy prey against juggernauts and tanks, rather than actually having to deal with supports.

@danielcoronado4010

Жыл бұрын

pair her with crit and the old Hydra active and at point blank range and it was a 100-0 kill 1shot, bad thing is that in team figths it left you dead AF if you killed the enemy squishy and spent your e to do so, since your ult was your only scape tool and it was now on cooldown. If they doubled down on the flight fantasy they could have made her better, maybe allow her to dive and have a dash on her q as Valor and have her E reset if she kills somebody with Skystrike. Those two changes alone would have made her a solid pick and not the top laner bully she is now. Also, she should have been moved to the jungle a LONG TIME AGO.

@qtunicorn2123

Жыл бұрын

I remember my friend would run her with homebound boots and she would just snipe a squishy with ridiculous high MS

Regarding 9:12 - Unlike in Quinn form, using Vault in Valor form would cause you to dive into the enemy and stay in melee range instead of jumping away. You can actually see that in the spotlight.

@TiborSzarvas

Жыл бұрын

it's like prowler's was before rework haha

I played a ton of old Quinn (I was even brought in to Riot to test the new Quinn back in the day) - the most common sentiment about the old Quinn ult was that it was essentially a kamikaze. You switched to a rushdown melee champion without your stats or items converting to reflect one. You may be able to nuke a character but there was essentially zero chance you'd come out alive unless you absolutely murked the adc and then bailed.

@shiroblank277

5 ай бұрын

Yeah turning melee was cool. I used to play her top with Atmas and Warmogs. Also the ult made your vault have no bounce back.

I love Blade Waltz just for the visuals alone. Imagine how awesome it would look like with modern VFX and animations. And strangely I love the voice acting of it too? Something about the way Fiora grunted during it was really cool. She was putting SO much force behind those strikes and you could feel it. Like she WAS ripping her opponent to shreds. Numbers wise, visuals wise, and audio wise.

@claudionosotti8812

Жыл бұрын

This!!! not enough emphasis is put on how audio can make a champ really feel special, old Fiora's ult audio was sooo satisfying the only thing that beats it nowadays is warwick's audio

@selimgnr

Жыл бұрын

Also remember applying hydra passive while at it :D complete aoe mayhem

@xolotltolox7626

Жыл бұрын

Then you realise it's just juggernaut Ulti from Dota

@moopey1837

Жыл бұрын

@@xolotltolox7626 And then you realize that the whole game is just Dota from Dota.

@xolotltolox7626

Жыл бұрын

@@moopey1837 but worse

I miss old Quinn Having the bird as an actual ganeplay mechanic rather than a conduit for your spells gave them so much more in game feel

@shacuras8201

Жыл бұрын

They did Valor dirty, removed him from the champion name too. Also, Quinns login screen music is goated

@clubstep8244

11 ай бұрын

I remember... good old days season 4 pre Level 30... i didnt knew quinn could turn into valor and was always shook when i got chicken moded out of seemingly nowhere by a Champ that wasnt even in the game

I miss Swains original kit entirely, but most of all, I miss his original Ravenous Flock. That ability was awesome as a DoT and healing toggle

@riven4121

Жыл бұрын

I used to main swain. After the rework I stopped playing him. He doesn't feel like a mage but a glorified support.

@rasmusgarbonzo1411

Жыл бұрын

his bird form also looked way cooler. also, lazor bird!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@alihorda

Жыл бұрын

​@@riven4121I actually like the new swain, much more impactful and more utility with his W scout possibilities. But I also miss old swain because was a safe and easy pick when you didn't know what to play

@riven4121

Жыл бұрын

@@alihorda That's the problem he's a utility champion. Not a mage, hence why his most common role is support and has been for years. The rework straight up ruined his fantasy of being a mage.

@kevinboudreaux7860

Жыл бұрын

@@riven4121 agreed, I also loved his style of play as an area control DoT mage. It made him an amazing counter pick into an assassin meta

I will forever miss the old fiddlesticks. I miss throwing my balloon crow using the surprise party fiddlesticks. Hearing it bounce between 2 enemies and I just kill them because it kept bouncing between the two.

@elinavance3476

11 ай бұрын

I bought the skin mainly because of the old Fiddle E. It sucks if you payed for a skin and the champion get´s a rework.

@bradlyvidal2916

11 ай бұрын

So good for support as well.. the Crow bounces off of both ADC and support.. such a good poke Ability..

@Dexuz

10 ай бұрын

​@@bradlyvidal2916 It was THE best poke ability, super degenerate but I loved it.

@willdenoble1898

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree. Also building the liandrys-tulsi’s combo (bc relaid buffed thr dmg from 2.5% to 5%, then later it was 2% to 3%), and just melt people.

@acvgaming5601

6 ай бұрын

Don't forget it used to silence as well. Everything about the rework was amazing but i'd definitely trade his new E for his old one in a heartbeat

my fave was urgots switcheroo ability. i always thought it was so stupid and i loved it

@troydenbrum2979

11 ай бұрын

It's great on a hero designed for it, like vengeful spirit, not when its just tacked on a random kit.

I get why they changed him so much since many people found it clunky and weird, but the old ASol passive was just so unique and fun to play with, you really had to think about positioning and movement in fights. I miss it so much, wish they could keep it some way, even if it would be on a different character or if it was dumbed down a bit

@julsegs

Жыл бұрын

me and the other 3 ASol mains are with u, sir. I miss his hit and run playstyle so much 😢

@MangaGamified

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was only a problem in "pro" play. never really felt the "deadzone" cause if you're an >average Asol, you roam against champs with favorable matchups, and if the enemy team has 3 dash champs or more, you just buy zonyas, rylais and a bit tanky items, once they blown all their CD and see you're still alive they can't do none but be kited by your orbit with rylais

@banrey1704

Жыл бұрын

Old asol is still in wild rift and even kept the old W move speed passive

@decimusI

Жыл бұрын

@@julsegs I agree now we wait for the other 2 asol mains

@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz

Жыл бұрын

I get why they did it, and that makes me hate it way more.

Fun Fact: Gangplank could drop a ward and use Raise Morale on it to get the buff when a fight broke out in the jungle, or on a friendly Tibbers, dealing about 30% hp damage to troll Annie

I would actually love a video talking about all of the different versions of Ryze ! As a (relatively) new player, it would be very interesting !

@santiagocorbo4327

Жыл бұрын

Im glad you dont witness 6 frozen heart ryze against a full ad team

@dankmemes8254

Жыл бұрын

@@santiagocorbo4327 I didn't witness that but seems to me like blue malphite

@beegyoshi1685

11 ай бұрын

​@@dankmemes8254if malphite had a ratio from mana

@ziedyee

11 ай бұрын

There used to be an ongoing meme for a few years of Ryze literally getting (mini) reworks/big kit changes every single year lol

@andreitaker3527

10 ай бұрын

The oldest memory of ryze is when faker use him and his ult gives some omnivamp and all you gave to do is just juggle q every other spell.

As someone who started playing league in 2020 I love hearing about old league and what i missed out on

@evoknz

11 ай бұрын

Game was so much more clunky, but so much more fun because of it, you had tons of weird builds, weird item + champ synergies, champions had their identity, good times Sunfire evelynn and twitch where they would sit on you in stealth and you would burn to death without noticing why and how AP Sion walking to you and imploding your healthbar without making a noise because his old Q and E had a very low sound effect for some reason AS/Crit sion with 5 Phantom Dancer Old galio the single % crit rune on trynd and gp for the godly level one crits and the list never ends

Old poppy was my first main, I remember your ulti amplified ALL THE DMG your champion did... THIS INCLUDED ITEMS and when you built her with ap.... there was this legendary item called deathfire grasp that did % max magic dmg that scaled off ap and you could increase it almost infinitely, and this damage was amplied by poppy's ulti's amplification, and you could reach to 100% dmg literally one click one shot xD good old times :')

@marcinwitkowski217

Жыл бұрын

One of my first experiences playing league was finding fun in playing poppy she was always more on the unpopular side but at that time it wasn't all that popular to go off someone else builds and I found this gem called poppy you could jump alone into 5 kill 2-3 while ulting supp and come back with half hp left

@noob54noob

11 ай бұрын

Deathfire grasp veigar 💀

@Arksumrak

11 ай бұрын

@@noob54noob dfg on ap yi was such pain.he just press dfg and q. And ure dead.

One thing you missed about the Poppy ult. It amplified ALL of your damage sources. So if you ulted someone and used ignite, the ignite would do extra damage. It also stacked with deathfire grasp, which was an item that amplified magic damage for a short period of time. AP Poppy was super underappreciated, but it could safely one shot most carries in the game.

@StormaLorda

Жыл бұрын

That was the stuff, R the support, pound the AD carry whilst invincible

@KhionePheonix

Жыл бұрын

Ap poppy the ballistic missile, good times

@kowikowi8718

Жыл бұрын

one shotting by using a item fullcombo and ignite? you mean burst.

@KevinTheCardigan

Жыл бұрын

@@kowikowi8718 it's one shot cus it's one ult :P

@kowikowi8718

Жыл бұрын

@@KevinTheCardigan i got only drunk one Beer. The Other two cases of budlight i Drink dont Matter. IT was only the First Beer why im drunk officier.

Quinn was changed more than you think. Her Q used to actually blind like teemo (disabling auto attacks), and her E in bird form was a dash but didn't make you backflip (that was the difference). I remember it just being REALLY bad though because her E and Q didn't apply her marks, so you couldn't E auto Q auto ect. You going into bird mode was just going into melee with super low hp and armor and getting blown up.

@ramanmonkey

10 ай бұрын

Her old ult was so good for assassinating..

@NightridingDoom

4 ай бұрын

only if you went full damage, so basically quinn was butchered because people were stupid :(

Old full AP Nunu mid was beyond disgusting. His E was an unavoidable targeted ability with crazy high scaling. He was impossible to deal with in lane thanks to his ridiculous healing, high damage and low outplay potential. He did fall off pretty hard but the laning phase was unbelievably broken

You should talk about the Mordekaiser ult that could give him a dragon if you make one more!

@Kmn483

Жыл бұрын

I miss that! Taking Dragon to wreck mid was so fun.

@GubbiGap

Жыл бұрын

@@Kmn483 yea it was such a cool thing!

Lemme guess. Poppy old ultimate is gonna be in this video isn't it? My favorite ability to date. If she wasn't reworked she would be the ultimate counter to some of these 200 year champion designs

@BDCDT-TranThanhTung

Жыл бұрын

Because it was 300 y @@

@soulsemblance3163

Жыл бұрын

@BDCDT-TranThanhTung Do you remember how bad she was because she had no sustain, imagine her 4 sec q that dealt like 8% max hp was an aa reset and applies sheen, with divine sunderer

@hanyuu8672

Жыл бұрын

Well it's on the thumbnail so it's not difficult to guess

@the_last_ballad

Жыл бұрын

It's basically a Mord ult, except if Mord was able to attack everyone else as normal.

@cordlessbungee263

Жыл бұрын

Her current w blocking dashes basically counters all the 200 yr Champs anyway

I think for Quinn it's because, she played normally like an adc and when she transformed in Valor she became a melee champ with no survivability (like Nilah doge for example) so you used her transformation mainly to go fast but fought almost always as Quinn because there was no bonus to be fight as Valor

@Ophiouchos95

Жыл бұрын

Valor was useless/extremely risky in teamfights, BUT enabled her to be a solo pick assassin with almost 0 counterplay. You moved fast, had a gapcloser, a blind for the enemy ADC who coudln't do shit, tons of attack speed and a burst execution on your ultimate. And she was amazing at splitpushing, because Valor had the permanent attack speed buff even without enemy minions around + a build escape.

Could you make a video on Master Yi? He has one of the most complicated history when it comes to balance and gameplay and I think it would be pretty fun to talk about him :)

@justmultidimensional1759

Жыл бұрын

this

@lilbladeknight

Жыл бұрын

AP yi wants to know your location

@bruceyuchuanyu

Жыл бұрын

Second on this, even tho Yi is still broken ATM tho. Alpha strike just might be the single most unbalanced nightmare in the game

@thor8606

Жыл бұрын

A good idea this is

My favorite removed ability was Fiddle's old E. Especially with surprise party Fiddlesticks. Annoying the enemy team with balloon animals

The funny thing was poppy was very underplayed. I mained poppy and people vs me didn’t know what she did at the time. Fun times

@IATonberry

11 ай бұрын

Nothing quite like ulting the Support who does no damage, so now you take no damage while diving their Squishy with Old Poppy lol

4:28 i was thinking that they could give the abilities of the old aatrox to Xolaani (if one day Riot decide to putting her in the game) since she is an important part of the darkins lore

@Jayynoz.

Жыл бұрын

thank you

I still miss old asol passive. I m7 200,000 mastery him at that point and the fun of him was the spacing issues. It was a differnt play style but so satisfing when you could weave in and out of a fight and just destroy a team.

@nanaten3

Жыл бұрын

I mean 200k aint that much

Tag Team was the reason I used to main Quinn Her E became an on click dash with a small knock up attached (this followed dashes and blinks and interupted channels and most dashes) this combined with the passive attack speed buff, massive movementspeed buff and the execute on the second part of the R made her into a temperary assassin that could easily roam, chase, flea, re-engage, or clean-up. Her old Q (in both forms) was a teemo blind which was pretty toxic and made counter play in Valor form very hard. She was a champ that could duel by kiting and poking and then turning around for a fast assassination burst. They removed her tag team (and teemo blind) because it made her very strong in 1v1's but kinda useless in teamfights. A lot of people played her a suicide bird, starting a teamfight by flying in and maybe assassinating the enemy marksman or mage and then getting oneshot. Her R "incentivised" this kind of playstyle for people who played her as an adc and Riot wanted to push her out of midlane and toplane. Tag Team just didn't fit the adc botlane playstyle

As an old Poppy main, she really wasn't bad in the mid game. Magic pen boots + runes and a Trinity Force was enough to two shot most carries and nobody could split against her, as her ult also gave you bonus % damage against your target (up to 40% if I recall correctly)

I actually loved old Quinn. There was an old LoL channel called What the Moose that showed all the cool combos you could do with Valor transformations.

Honestly the old Aatrox was really not that bad. I used to main him so hard. If you went full life steal you would never die and actually do enough damage to even carry. You just had to know when to use your W to heal and when to use it to do dmg. I stopped playing him after the rework bc of the new kit, It doesnt feel like him anymore and I never got over that. Look how they massacred my boy :(

@Jayynoz.

Жыл бұрын

same i literally played Aatrox from bronze to plat and when they reworked him i dropped LoL entirely 😢

@gaylosbernandez579

11 ай бұрын

Aatrox was in his best balance ever right before they reworked him

@azraksash

11 ай бұрын

It was terrible for many years, because of his base HP was trash and you were hurting yourself. It was played in pro scenes, because he could towerdive with the jungler and revive, so RIOT wouldn't buff him.

@TheDragonguy2000

11 ай бұрын

@@azraksash you could literally click W and suddenly health was not a problem especially if you had bloodthirster and/or bork

@azraksash

11 ай бұрын

@@TheDragonguy2000 He was getting 1shotted all the time... Back in the day AP was cheaper and items gave more of it. I can see why he could be good in low elos, still it was never OP.

That ult also made ap poppy a beast, i remember how i used to oneshot so many with that due to the extra damage with deathfire grasp tanky and squishy alike.

You forgot to mention another special thing about Poppy's old ultimate. "All outside sources" meant ALL. Even Fountain couldn't harm you so you could base dive and spawn kill while taking nothing which also allowed your allies to go in with you as it focused you

The difference with Quinn's Vault in bird form is that Valor doesn't dash backward after Vaulting. Since he's melee, he has no reason to kite backward with the ability.

I hope Old Maokai ult gets in the next one. I still hope it returns in some form to this day.

@BansheeTheFerret

11 ай бұрын

Me too…. Me too… I was a staunch maokai support main and I was destroying everybody with that champ. Then they gave him that scuffed nami ult and made him basically unplayable forever. Until he was meta for like a week a few months ago. Kindred kind of has his ult but it’s just not the same.

I still remember the terror of trying to flash out of fiora's old ult comparing to juggernaut's ult from Dota where you can blink out to get out of it

Dont stop making videos man i cant stop wathcing them

@jetlifex4355

Жыл бұрын

yeah i started playing league bcz of this videos, quit after a few games, but yeah his videos are adictive

Something I find interesting about a few of these is that they bore strong similarities (or were just wholesale rip offs) of dota abilities, yet due to the change in context of the game stopped being healthy. Fiora's old ult was just juggernaut's ult minus a couple mechanics, but the removal of the ability being able to target minions and defensive items like Ghost Scepter not being in league removed the fairness. This was also true for TF's old Gate, when it was on a basic ability, which was essentially just Nature's Prophet's teleport, an ability still in dota, but the relative lack of map mobility in league compared to dota made it a lot stronger. Gangplank's old ability to deny an ally minion with an ability is also something that exists in dota, but, even just aside from the fact you don't need an ability to deny minions in dota, the reduced amount of farm on league's map probably made playing into an opponent that is economically starving you more frustrating. There are of course other dota abilities that stuck around (like Ashe's ult), but the fun part is thinking about what did and didn't work in the transition between games and why.

@ssilentmedia

11 ай бұрын

it's almost like some of the devs from the orignal dota split up from their old team and created another moba game. hmmmmm

@Thalaranthey

11 ай бұрын

@@ssilentmedia damn they did dota dirty, sabotaged entire community in hopes of killing rival in the field

@ssilentmedia

11 ай бұрын

@@Thalaranthey what do you mean?

@Thalaranthey

11 ай бұрын

@@ssilentmedia pendragon killed dota allstar when he was hired by riot, closed site and sold rights to riot(who sold them to blizard)

I'm so glad you included Gangplank's minion deny XD when I first learned of this quirk when I was looking at the patch history of champs I was really surprised league had a Dota 2 mechanic way back in the day

@nightcore8111

Жыл бұрын

dota 1 *

Old Poppy was my sleeper pick for the Ascension game mode. If you were ascended as Poppy you were pretty much the strongest champion in the game.

Love videos talking about old League. I'm down for more up :D

Ive never forgiven Riot for nerfing Lolipoppy. That skin struck fear into the hearts of opponents.

We need Valor back in the game. Valor is a cool boy, not a fucking taxi.

@Ghostslayer35

Жыл бұрын

I used to main old Quinn, I can't play her anymore since her ult is so boring now

Very well edited and crafted video I like how you also narrate You earned a like and a new subscriber ❤😃

I absolutely love you vars! I love how detailed your videos are and how you express the common opinion of current players. Been playing since S2 started and love the nostalgia you put into your vids. Also your calm soothing voice is great to listen to these as podcasts or when youre taking your trip to work :D . Please keep the content coming! Much love bro!

My first Penta was with the old Quinn ult. I really did like that ult personally. Certainy wasn't as good back then than i am now but i liked playing back with Quinn adc and once a reengage was bound to happen i popped the ult to get it quick and hard. Or just to run away when the fight turned out badly.

With old Poppy, maybe they could've made it so that she can't damage anyone else but her target either. Prolly still OP, but at least more fair. Thoughts?

@bayanzabihiyan7465

Жыл бұрын

Essentially a worse version of tryndamere ultimate that only lets you tunnel vision one person instead of hitting anyone you want. You got the 1v1, but still get hit with all the CC. Also you don't get the morde ult "arena" to prevent them from just kiting and running away. Still, would have been far healthier, but her current ultimate is a lot cooler, more fun to use, and more impactful in many situations. Removing someone impactful from a fight, kick enemy off objectives quickly, or just saving yourself.

Dude fioras old ult omg, you nust brought back some memories. Thank you, thus made my day even better 😊

If nothing else, seeing old SRO and foxdrop, as well as hearing about old abilities really took me down nostalgia lane. I was playing in season 1 and 2, and boy the game was different back then. You'd just see poppy and nasus bot or something. Regarding GP's ability to deny, it was a different game. Nobody laned like they do now, things like gold and experience from minions weren't ever considered so it never felt terrible to play against. I do remember GPs used to stand at their T3 tower when minions spawned so they could insta deny a minion, then could deny another one when they got to lane.

Definitely gotta mention the old Soraka abilities where she could heal herself AND give herself mana.

@valnadis8577

11 ай бұрын

She could give teammates mana too before that. Miss those times.

@xxvequalizer9826

11 ай бұрын

AP soraka mid

I believe center of the universe could be fixed by making the 3 stars rotating in 3 different ranges with 3 different speeds, i really thought that would be an ability they would've tried to keep for ASol during his rework bc it really gave him a true unique trait

@EddyConejo

Жыл бұрын

That would have made him incredibly inconsistent though. A more healthy change would have been to swap his E and his R. His problem was always that he was way too good at early rotations and that he had a melee deadzone. This change would have fixed both of them while still keeping his melee deadzone as a counterplay, instead of as a pure weakness.

@MangaGamified

Жыл бұрын

Now after 5 straight nerfs, like senna the "infinite" mechanic is barely even felt anymore

@aevo9588

Жыл бұрын

The stars weren't THAT hard to hit after enough practice. Definitely not a useful ability before you get a lot of playtime on him but there are plenty of other high skill-floor champs that got WAY less flame than Asol passive. The issue is they kept having to nerf his damage into the ground because they insisted on NOT nerfing the actual issue with his kit which was his ability to permaroam at level 3 with good cc. The ratio on passive (and W) was so bad that a muramana would give it more damage than ANY OTHER AP ITEM IN THE ENTIRE GAME. Why bother playing a hundred games on asol to learn to use his passive properly when it wasn't even a useful part of his kit?

Seeing so many Anklespankin clips really took me down memory lane. One of the first league content creators I watched, along with Blakinola and Dunkey. Such fond memories…

we need a part 2 like 100% ! love the video!

Back in season 1 there was jax and his dodge abilities and also ninja tabis which back than increased you dodge chances. At lvl 18 jax became nearly unhittable. It was absolutely crazy

@yummines

11 ай бұрын

Jax's dodge was passive, so stacked with Ninja Tabi he could basically 1v1 any AA based character for free. His dodge also allowed him to dodge anything considered a basic attack, which included turret shots and fountain laser. He was stupid, but in early LoL there were a ton of really stupid but fun abilities.

@thefck7950

11 ай бұрын

@@yummines yeah global Tf ult or global panth ult and 8or 9 sec ult trynda. 3vs3 map with speed buffs, nunu and sion with their atomic e where you could one shot nearly every champ or ap Yi, that time was just so funny. No toxicity no hate everyone just playing some stupid champ and gave a f about meta. Loved it.

Soraka's OG starfall was the most satisfying ability in the game. They made the character more dynamic and engaging, but I'm still mad about Q.

Quinn's Tag Team always seemed like a fever dream to me. I played her once when I started playing League and then I stopped playing for a while and when I came back and decided to try again and i noticed that she was different. At the time I didnt have anyone to talk about LoL so I basically gaslighted myself into thinking that I had imagined it or didnt remember correctly ahahsh

Good times indeed, i still remember building hydra on quinn with some health items because in bird mode valor had incredible attack speed for free and you could use melee dmg scaling of hydra. I was devastated when they rework it :)

I would love to see a Poppy retrospective

When you think about it, old Aurelion Sol could have been a very good champ in early seasons(1-3) bcs champs were imobile and he could control them with Q, R and slow with rylais

When i tried to come back to League 2 years ago, i played quinn as she has always been 1 of my favorites. I was so confused by her ult, i didnt know if i was misremembering it until i talked to my friends who still play the game. I was around during the Gangplank killing minions time, i just dont remember it at all. Its been a long time

I miss insta Q Darius, the sheer cancer damage he deals on a fast combo was *chefs kiss*. Edit: I also miss weedwick's old R, Pantheon's point and click Q (with mana pots and old elixir), Akali's old R, and Taric's point and click stun.

@victorpedrosoceolin3919

Жыл бұрын

Is this ironic? I can't say

@worldiefeard8396

Жыл бұрын

@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 sounds like the good old "I miss oneshotting people with DFG" while forgetting that you would *also* get oneshot by the same combo from others, which instead noone misses.

@Discotechque

Жыл бұрын

Yea I forgot to put /s

@azraksash

11 ай бұрын

Old Akali was braindead, but the most fun in the game, if you are fed. Darius was unbeatable in lane, but couldn't do anything in teamfights, so it was a troll champ.

You should do a video on toggle abilities! I feel like they used to be everywhere in old league E.g. old Aatrox, Cho’gath, Ashe and Sivir to name a few but they’ve mysteriously seemed to have disappeared in modern times.

@ziedyee

11 ай бұрын

My genuine guess is because in the heat of the moment it was probably something you just "lost track of" and resulted in surprising mana consumption you didn't expect/want. Made it easier for players who don't manage to keep track of everything :)

@MichaelLong777

9 ай бұрын

@@ziedyee It's because abilities like old Ashe Q and Cho'Gath E didn't have any interesting decisions to make. If you had mana you always wanted it on. Compare that to an ability like Jinx Q where you have to decide between increased safety vs higher DPS. By that model old Aatrox W actually was a good ability since a tradeoff between healing and damage is interesting. All of that said Jinx is also pretty old at this point and I can't think of any newer champs with toggle abilities at all, so they probably have other reasons for getting rid of them completely.

I remember so clearly that old sion and taric used to have a point and click stun as well as sion's passive which was a built in tabi's

part 2 would be welcome as this is a topic no one on youtube talks about

i really miss old mordekaiser ngl, i think he was balanced due to being slow and short range but the dmg to instant shield conversion mechanic was really fun

@Loller271

10 ай бұрын

Well yeah besides him being able to do 100% of someone's max hp with his ult and having the most bugs in the game before viego at least

@Maedara

10 ай бұрын

@@Loller271 he wasn't balanced by any means no haha but a lot were more janky back then and he was just way cooler (aside from his feet)

mord's ult was by far the most fun : when you could reanimate the dragon after you killed it , which is similar to yorick's current one, but the dragon was stronger

@nanaten3

Жыл бұрын

and the dragon would give you shield, just amazing

This is a great new series hehe so nostalgic! OMG at 11:52 the old Sona

please make a part two! great video

This was a interesting video keep up with the good work looking forward to more content 😊

7:15 With it's effect and description, this feels like a refference to Warhammer 40k, more specifically the Comissars in Dawn of War

One of the funniest things I remember from pre-rework Quinn was building her with Melee items back when that was a thing. My friend was the ADC and flamed by both teams for his build before immediately getting a penta kill using Valor's massive attack speed boost and dive capabilities.

I remember old gp, start in base and walk with minion wave, you got enough cd to deny 2 minions before they get to lane. You buy 4 gold generation items (avarice blade, heart of gold, kage’s pick, philo stone) and farm lane until you can go back and buy BT, IE, Triforce all at once. By then you’ll usually have a 2-3 level lead on your enemy laner and can 1 shot just about anyone in the game with Q.

Loved old poppy btw. Funny watching how she's made out to be OP in the video and in comments despite losing lane vs basically every match up xD

I thought you were gonna talk about maokai's old ult cuz it was shown in the GP section. If you do another part of this vid pls talk about that one. I miss it so much.

I probably played old Quinn more than anybody else. There are a few reasons as to why Quinn's Ultimate was reworked into the way it is now. The first reason, as has been pointed out, is that Riot had intended to keep Quinn as an ADC and move her out of the other lanes into Bot lane. With the way her E interacted with her R, she would dash to the target, slow them, and stay in Melee range instead of bouncing off. As an ADC, there are seldom, if any, instances in which you would actually want to be within melee range of an enemy champion. As a result, Quinn's old playstyle was more like that of an assassin than an ADC, and in order to shift Quinn into that ADC role, they needed to shift her power budget off her R. Which brings me to the second reason. Pre-rework Quinn was a strong solo laner, but not very good as an ADC at all. Her only saving grace in Bot lane was that her Q used to blind targets it hit, which vs enemy ADC's is probably the number one thing you could want aside from hard CC. As a result, many Quinn players would simply wait until 6, pop ult, and press E to dive in, press Q and 100-0 the enemy ADC. Due to Quinn's power budget, she functioned poorly as an actual ADC. Riot's vision for Quinn was for her to play off her passive more as a "hit-n-go" ADC who trades in short bursts rather than a 100-0 all-in champion. Therefore, they moved her burst potential off her ult and into her passive, granting her passive a reduced cooldown, and extra procs on landing Q and when ending her new R. So, tldr: 1. Quinn's abilities and stat line FORCED her to play and build more like an assassin than an ADC, with her lack of bot lane success (mostly due to low attack range) and R being the biggest offenders 2. In order to transition her into a traditional ADC role, damage and burst potential were moved into her passive and basic abilities, which requires slightly more skill expression to execute properly than pressing R and running at your opponent. Granted, Quinn's bot lane success is still poor and she is still widely-regarded to be a much more effective solo laner than an ADC. Riot's rework of Quinn didn't address the issues she was having with being a bot-lane ADC. In fact, it could be argued that Riot's rework actually made Quinn WORSE in the ADC role. I think a Quinn Retrospective video highlighting her deficiencies (both pre and post-rework) could be a good idea.

@bruceyuchuanyu

Жыл бұрын

Quinn feel more gimmicky now than before

I remember playing at a LAN party with my brother. We chose to go bot lane with old GP and WW. He maxed hie E while I maxed my W. The sheer push potential we had was solid. By 10 minutes we were able to end the match while everyone else was farming for their first items.

id love to see a part 2. i always like seeing the history of the game. there is a lot of wacky things that were in the game. :P

This was great. It's cool to learn. I have no idea what old sion, shen, evelyn did.

If you want any ideas of old abilities in future to cover here are some more suggestions; draven's old passive wicked blades which made it impossible to trade with him Ashe's ranger's focus where she came in lane and insta crit you, cassio's poison stacking passive where she had a free deathcap at 300 stacks, and while we are on passives I think yi's double strike where you could prime it was kinda strong early bc it was essentially a free crit every 8 autos.

My favorite thing to play back in the day was full lifesteal/spell vamp Poppy Hydra, Bloodthirster, Gunblade, Berserker's, WOTA (Will of the Ancients) and BORK or Tri Force you click R on Braum or Soraka and you just wail at their team, it was so fun

What I never understood about Asol was in Urf he could get up to 5 meteors. Why didnt they consider giving him those other meteors to compensate in the late game?

I remember when i was playing old fiora with lot of life steal, you were fighting 1v5 and when you were very low you click ult and you are full hp and enemies heavily damaged

YES YES YES YES PLZ GIVE US MORE Its always so interesting looking back at how league has progressed and changed. I must say though, some of the old abilities seemed very unique and its a shame that the likelihood of us getting them back is very low. One example is the old Soraka starcall, it was such an interesting combat ability that you only had to put one point in. It was surprising to see how much damage it did during extended teamfights along with bolstering your allies' magic damage. Keep up the amazing work and please give us more of this :)

@Rinouka

Жыл бұрын

My favorite (been playing since s0) was ap sion. He has a point and click stun that scaled with ap and did a ton of damage and his w shield also scaled with it and could give him over 1000 shield while doing about that in damage to the stunned target. Paired with death fire grasp and he one shotted foldk hard. Like he was comparable to veigar but his burst had 0 counter play. Was great xD

i miss old poppy so much. such a struggle to get to late game, but god going off in a teamfight was amazing. old sion was another fun one with that massive lvl 1 ad boost.

Holy shit that was so interesting. Please make an other video like this, that is so cool!

The one poppy play that showed old Urgot just made me remember how much I miss old Urgot. I liked his old kit so much more than his new one.

Would love this to be a series

Shocked at the lack of mention of old Sion. That stupid eye gaze point-and-click and the seemingly infinite attack speed steroid always made me want to instaquit. Great video, absolute banger!!

Ah yes, old Deny Raise Morale. GP was the first champion I mained in League and this was still when he had the ability to kill his own creeps. It definitely wasn't healthy but it was funny and thematically fitting for the comical stereotype of a pirate that OG Gangplank was. In addition to having the ability to deny gold and xp from your enemy laner, it consistently gave you a level advantage in solo lanes and had some weird interactions with specific units. You could shoot any allied "summons" with it as well, like Tibbers, Old Yorick ghouls, and Heimer turrets. And funnily enough, since it was coded as magic damage, it even worked with old spellvamp and could double as a minor secondary heal to Remove Scurvy.

I miss my old urgot so much. Lethal or mana tank, it was fun launching point and click missiles that slowed and reduced armor across the screen at enemies.

I love the casual og Urgot ultimate in the last Poppy clip xD

I miss old burst Poppy. Used to go every multistat item, Tri Force, Gunblade, etc., and just stun them and instantly kill them with Q. The ability that I miss the most though, is Maokai ult. That was back when there were two forms of true damage, and his ult would reduce damage that wasn't like the fountain laser. I played Mao since season two, and I really do miss his old ultimate (and when saplings used to deal damage on landing, I have a clip of blindly hitting someone with a sapling to kill them), even when it didn't move with him

My friend and I used to Duo Gangplank and Zilian with EXP Quintessences. You start with Raise morale as you walk to lane and delete all your melee minions. When you hit level 6 your enemy would be level 4 that was hilariously broken and very fun.

Love to see another removed ability in this Video. You can see Urgots old Ult. I kinda miss it

I still think about the old GP e, miss it. ;c i was so young then, like 13-14 never really grasped its potential. Amumu's w used to block 30-40% incoming damage too while it was active, used to be broke. Poppys empowered auto used to be able to do up to 1,500 damage too. It was crazy.

I miss aatrox so much. I'll never forget the fun I had with dark flight and blood price/thirst.

Asol had a super cool passive. It would be such an amazing passive for an ADC Marksman who doesn't have a regular Basic Attack but instead uses a boomerang or blade chain/dart whip that circles them with a similar range expansion ability. Utilizing on-hit and crits would be so interesting and fun. Old Asol as an ADC would've been honestly super fun.

@NickoVasley

11 ай бұрын

That's a really cool idea actually.. adcs are pretty much the pinnacle of spacing characters so the mechanic makes so much more sense on them

I cry a little nostalgic tear, seeing it all again, sometimes i miss old poppy, urgot, fiora and urgot

What about a video on the history of buffs/nerfs/removal of Summoner Spells? I remember back in the day when they overbuffed Heal for a hot minute. Good times for Mundo.

Old Veigar passive that scaled your damage based off your opponents AP. Maokai team defense buff zone. Galio with his shield that healed him each time someone hit the shield, as well as his old channeled taunt ult.

I miss old Galio he was the tankiest champ in leagues and his w was amazing either place on an ally or himself whatever damage you take or your ally takes while active you constantly gain health back with each hit

@ziedyee

11 ай бұрын

Omg old Galio was enjoyable. But Old Galio in Urf??? That shit was the very definition of fun. For you, not for your enemies of course. He was literally unkillable. I loved his shield + ult combo. Force everyone to attack you, end with big burst and reduce a big chunk of damage received + get a shitload of healing back Also just loved the way his abilities (and he himself) looked. His wind thingie was just so pretty to me