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@TvGunslingeRvT

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Vox.

@tobiasrab6447

2 жыл бұрын

Do some more research on mart stam, you'll find out that it wasn't Breuer who was the first to come up with the idea of using tubular steel in chairs

@Shut.Eye.Cinema

2 жыл бұрын

Remove the Holodomor video

@StevenP88Led

2 жыл бұрын

Bent 16 times? I'm just trying to count all 16. Can't get more than 12..

@mananjain1312

2 жыл бұрын

I am currently siting on the same chair

I've never seen this chair in my life but I guarantee I'm going to start seeing it everywhere having watched this video.

@luketheepicpersonwholikest3556

2 жыл бұрын

Mood

@framesfc

2 жыл бұрын

Someone tell me whats this called? Like u get to know something and then u see it everywhere ? Is there a some name for this effect?

@bookiehillbilly

2 жыл бұрын

@@framesfc Its called “google tracking your internet history and sharing it with advertisers and other websites because it believes this is something you’re interested in”.

@mcsy98

2 жыл бұрын

@@framesfc It's called the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon :D

@EvanAviator

2 жыл бұрын

@@bookiehillbilly personalized ads ah how scary

This definitely goes in the "things I didn't know that I needed to know" category. Thanks!

@khalilahd.

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha same!

@Yuri_alphq

2 жыл бұрын

Who asked?

@clickchick760

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yuri_alphq The algorithm demands comments to fuel YT channels. I am trying to support content that I like.

@Yuri_alphq

2 жыл бұрын

@@clickchick760 bro chill ik I'm just jk

@perpetualcollapse

2 жыл бұрын

Frfr

The design not being copyrighted is a HUGE factor in why this chair design is everywhere. It meant every company that makes chairs could make this chair, so there were so many and it was so cheap that loads of people bought it.

also the chair is simplistic, bohemian and modern at the same time. this is the style that many people go for these days

@shamiksinha4808

2 жыл бұрын

modern? nah... i wouldnt buy it for my new house unless i was trying to go for a 90s aesthetic

@0Iive

2 жыл бұрын

Rattan is also becoming very popular

@dubenick

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for KIND of saying what is already said in the video within the first minute …

@larsstougaard7097

2 жыл бұрын

Mine are 25 years old, still looks good. Didn't know you could still get them.

@0Iive

2 жыл бұрын

@@larsstougaard7097 if you’re ever considering selling them, I’d be very happy to take them off your hands 🤷🏻‍♂️

Perfect title. You get the attention of those who have the chair and came here to find out more, and those who don't have the chair and came here to say they dont!

@ramonperez2685

2 жыл бұрын

Like me (don't have that chair). 😄

@Polska_Edits

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@ivanvarela3215

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, enough with these long videos about very transparent topics. Ree

@adnanomer9089

2 жыл бұрын

I don't have this chair but like they said it is everywhere

@khalilahd.

2 жыл бұрын

Well said lol

When told the chairs were outdated, Her mom really said, “leave them chairs alone. They’ll never go out of style.” So true ☺️

@thebookreader287

2 жыл бұрын

True! We still have our set kept. I just wanted to have the caning fix but quality is way better than the stuff you can buy at the stores. Saving money to have them fixed and finally get rid of the chairs my sister bought cos the new ones are horrible.

Literally, Almost every Indian Govt office, schools(for Teachers) constructed before 2010s had one of those at least at some point of time

@avirajsinghmehta1857

2 жыл бұрын

Just came to say this that it's the Government of India chair it's everywhere although based on your rank nowadays you get an old time wooden chair

@rishabhgusain

2 жыл бұрын

​@@avirajsinghmehta1857 Well most of the offices have switched to modern chairs nowadays

@sagittario5543

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, those are the places I knew this chair from

@rishabhgusain

2 жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal There used to be different variant of this chair, one with wood, with strings (some synthetic material), ig leather was there too...tho I don't remember correctly

@rishabhgusain

2 жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal That's interesting!!

It is just great piece of dutch/german design. You could have included the whole Stam vs. Breuer discussion which makes this chair even more interesting in my mind.

@derAtze

2 жыл бұрын

Can you line that out for me? Never heard of that discussion before, why does it make the chair more interesting?

@ole0510

2 жыл бұрын

@@derAtze I'll try to be brief. Mart Stam from the Netherlands designed the so called Kragstuhl in 1926. That chair looks almost like the more famous Breuer chair. Although it didn't have the flexibility which makes a cesca chair so comfortable. In 1927 Ludwig Mies van der Rohe (German architect who also was part of the Bauhaus) also designed a Freischwinger (cesca chair) for the famous Weißenhofsiedlung in Stuttgart, Germany. Then Marcel Breuer took that design and made it flexible making it the chair we know today. In 1929 a lawsuit was filed by the holder of the rights to Mart Stams design against a company called Thonet. Thonet produced a lot of Bauhaus furniture back then and still does so today. In the trial the Reichsgericht (highest German court back then) decided that Mart Stam hat the copyright to the chair. But here's a twist. Mies van der Rohe had filed a patent for his chair. That patent was challenged but the Reichsgericht rejected that. So although Mart Stam owned the rights to the overall design, Mies van der Rohe owned the patent to the technical design of the chair. Marcel Breuer didn't officially have partly copyright rights. I hope I could give a brief overview from the top of my head. There's certainly more to this. Its still today a discussed topic in German arts history. Oh and you can still by the Kragstuhl by Mart Stam today. It's built by Thonet. Just like the Breuer chair ;)

@accountthatillusetocomment3041

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god. Why do you know this.

@ole0510

2 жыл бұрын

@@accountthatillusetocomment3041 I love German Bauhaus design (my mom also wrote her master's thesis about Marcel Breuer so thats a big influence) and I grew up in Stuttgart a stone's throw away from the Weißenhofsiedlung 😅

@O.R.B.I.

2 жыл бұрын

since you mentioned dutch/german design, i would like to mention that Breuer himself was - simply put - Hungarian. But I will not argue neither over his nationality nore over the "nationality" of his design - that would be nonsence. I'm okay with you writing the chair is dutch/german design since these other guys were also involved and all of this happened at the Bauhaus, etc...

me who has never seen this chair before: ah yes ofc i wonder why

@aurobhatta

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Never seen this chair before, but maybe sometimes in movies

@khalilahd.

2 жыл бұрын

Lol that was my same reaction 😅

@Mansory811

2 жыл бұрын

There are in the Western World everywhere, mainly in offices.

@Damian-cilr1

2 жыл бұрын

@@aurobhatta maybe we have seen it in movies. Just not noticed it.still. i havent ever had it in my home or seen it anywhere else

@MR-rd3ug

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mansory811 I’m Irish and don’t recognize it, that’s western

I just recorded a video last night showcasing this chair and now I feel like I need to re-record that section to take this video into account 😅👍

@knrz2562

2 жыл бұрын

😆 🤣 😂 😹 🤣

Never thought a simple chair can have so much thoughts, engineering and history behind it! An eyeopener!

@zenithchan1646

2 жыл бұрын

I never thought that you have a thought that you never thought a simple chair can have much thoughts!

@monhi64

Жыл бұрын

Yeah people don’t really think about that stuff but this chair has a totally regular amount of engineering. Lots of history and thought tho lol

@SP-fw1xe

Жыл бұрын

This goes for most high end design and fashion. Plebs usually don’t know all of the work that goes into manifesting it.

Asking prices for the 80s ones being anything more than $5 is hilarious because they were the defacto "Cheap table set" of the time especially in a brass color. You could buy a set of 4 with a octagonal table at from like Fingerhut and bolt them together. I can recall NUMEROUS times someone of larger stature bouncing away in one like a rocking chair and having it collapse under them.

@Infrared73

2 жыл бұрын

I remember us having some in the 80s and cheap is right. I think though that they took some bad liberties. I remember the tubular steel being in segments. The chairs would wobble all the time before we got rid of them. When she mentioned a single tube I realized how far the design had fallen. Personally I’m not nostalgic for these because of those shoddy chairs.

@AndrewPonti

2 жыл бұрын

OMG my parents had the octagon table with these chairs and I also thought it was so cheap.

@legoqueen2445

2 жыл бұрын

As a larger person I can verify these chairs are not larger person friendly

@SP-fw1xe

Жыл бұрын

We had them in the 80s but they were not the flimsy cheap ones. My parents must’ve gone for the quality ones but that’s not surprising given my mother’s taste in quality furnishings.

"full disclosure: i have been sitting on this chair since 1999" just stand up

@Game_Hero

2 жыл бұрын

Legends say that she's still sitting on this chair to this day.

As a German I appreciate your covering the Bauhaus.

@kennethkho7165

2 жыл бұрын

German efficiency

@larsstougaard7097

2 жыл бұрын

Danke

@vinny9868

2 жыл бұрын

Why? To me, it seems like the Bauhaus is brought up almost all the time, especially in regards to modernism, or WWII.

@ole0510

2 жыл бұрын

@@vinny9868 Bauhaus has little to nothing to do with WW II.

@javierpacheco8234

2 жыл бұрын

The bauhuas movement has made architecture less beautiful and rather the same. This has led to see less creativity in everything. I really miss the art that was taken away from our unique and traditional arts. Hope it comes back.

“Benst tubular steel was Bauhaus as heck...” Such lovely prosody. The script is beautifully written, like poetry -a paean to classic design.

I have seen and sat on one of this cesca chair 20 years ago in a very nice restaurant. It was so awesome ! It was made of wrought iron, with a curve arm rest, extremely cooling, and beautifully crafted with designs. The wrought iron gave it a sturdy feel and you can bounce on the chair any how you want it....like a trampolin except you are sitted and you still feel very safe on it. It gave me an unforgetable experience indeed.

Vox manages to come up with the most random topics that I didn’t know I needed to know about and now I need to obsessively watch the video till the end before I can get on with my life.

@dontbekhoi

Жыл бұрын

Not too random because in the interior design world 'mid century' furniture and aesthetic have become quite the rage the last 4-5 years and these chairs have become collector's item phenom. You use to be able to find these in thrift stores and yard sales for $2-10 each but great condition ones go for up to $200 now ;)

Meanwhile the monoblock chair: *"Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!"*

@SilhouetteLifter

2 жыл бұрын

@Zaydan Naufal uhh....circumcision? you sure you don't mean convocation?

I'm just simply amazed on how modern it looks. the one steel bent 16 times is a win for me. almost a perfect chair

It actually is very futuristic looking even today. Truly a timeless chair.

Interesting! I don’t have this chair but I’ve seen it in A LOT of movies

@kindauncool

2 жыл бұрын

I've never seen the chair in my life, but I guess I'll be looking out for it more now, Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon and all…

In the 80s, my college years, I had a glass top with wood frame, octagon table and these style chairs. In brass color. The chairs were strong but light weight. The seat was wide and cushiony. I was able to sit "Indian style" on them. I regretted getting rid of it at the time , now I know why.

@yeeaahhzz

2 жыл бұрын

were they the singular piece of steel kind? might have been the design type that wobbled a lot. If so, don't fret about discarding them

@pjesf

2 жыл бұрын

I had that same thing when I moved out of my parents' house in 1982. I always knew them as "Breuer Chairs" and now I know where the name came from (although mine were knock-offs from Target)

I can't believe my student dorm chair is actually of a highly sought after design 😂

These were VERY popular in dinette sets with glass-topped tables in the '80s. One of the few pieces of furniture I've ever purchased new. Gave it away after a few years as glass-topped tables are a monster to keep clean but the chairs were great!

@jackierugrat8680

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same dinette set in the ' 80s. My first purchase too. Didn't know they were popular again.

@postmodernrecycler

2 жыл бұрын

It was bugging me seeing these pop up lately. We had a set in the '80s, then you'd see them all over thrift stores in the '90s. I thought they had all but disappeared by 2000+.

I adore this chair but not because of the overall shape. I just like anything that has weaved cane like this.

@k.3004

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was rattan when I saw the thumbnail traditionally our chairs and beds had such weaving

My College had infinite supply of these at one point, but by the time I joined, they seemed to forget that students need chairs. So I couldn't get a chair from college, and I couldn't afford to buy one, So I did lots of dumpster dives, found many broken chairs of this types. And Frankensteined them to be working chairs. I had 3 of them by the end of college. And I miss them the most...

We have eight of them which we bought around 1967, along with an 8 foot pedestal table with a 2 inch oak top. Our chairs have upholstered seats and backs, not wicker. Cesca chairs in the Knoll catalog today cost about $1,000 each depending on style. We have used the table and chairs every day and we had to renovate them about 15 years ago.

So much 80s nostalgia when seeing this chair. They seemed to be everywhere back then. Comparably, I don't think you see a lot of them anymore. Haven't seen one in a long time. I see a lot more versions of the Y or seven chair than I do this one.

I love design and I love this series! Great work 👏🏽

We had those many years ago, just without the arm rests. Simple, very functional and also very comfortable.

My mom still has a 5 set dining piece of four of these chairs, and a circular glass table with the "Bauhaus" center metal frame. I've always liked the dining pieces because 1) it worked, 2) it was simple. All my friends' houses always had gaudy thick furniture, so I think I really learned to like the unique, utilitarian aspect.

Can’t believe I grow up with these in my home back in 90’s, only these days I realize my mom always had a great sense of style. I want this or Wassily chair at my own home now! Both are amazing

i have just seen this chair for the first time yet i am already having anxiety about leaning on it

@aaronstanley6914

2 жыл бұрын

it's actually pretty sturdy unless you're severely overweight it can easily accommodate you.

@idontknowok5632

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaronstanley6914 yeah, I tried sitting on this chair once in a local McDonald’s, pretty sturdy for a chair with an ominous appearance.

@pinkfreud62

2 жыл бұрын

Had them in the early 90's & we had a couple hefty friends & they did OK.

The Sims 4 recently went from having no Cesca chairs, to having three Breuer-style chairs, with the release of High School Years. One is a metal school chair, one is a wooden chair made for the school cafeterias, and one is a wooden chair called "Marcel-Style". We still don't have any rattan Cesca chairs, though!

VOX by Design is the sole reason why I’m subscribed to this channel, thank you for never disappointing .. great info & montage / editing as usual 💙

My grandparents had these chairs in their breakfast room. Aside from the wicker tearing on occasion, they were fantastic. Always fun to bounce on as a kid as well.

My grandmother had this chair in her kitchen for years. I now have it, 20 plus years later. It looks brand new, love this chair!

@larsstougaard7097

2 жыл бұрын

I have 4 of these over 25 years old, still looks nice, simple but good quality

I had never seen this chair!

@GaricsPeter

2 жыл бұрын

Because in these Cheddar, Vox, etc type videos "everyone" means people in the US.

It has everything: it is memorable, functional, sturdy, comfortable, versatile... it is just perfect!

Along about 1972, my grandparents had lawn chairs that were 100% steel and were design clones of these much lighter, fancier chairs. They were very heavy, durable, and uncomfortable with their steel back and seat. I guess a spin-off version of the original, for sitting outdoors in the country, shucking corn, and breaking beans for canning. Those were some tough chairs.

I’ve never seen this chair before until this video.

@3:56 The "16 bends" she refers to is for the B64 Cesca Chair with Arms. Also, neither the B32 (Armless) or B64 (Arms) contains a continuous member across the seat back as depicted in this single line diagram.

@coenschut3596

2 жыл бұрын

You're right, I believe that was started with the Gispen 101.

@zyaicob

Жыл бұрын

I was super confused too

I remember growing up in the 90’s my parents had this chair but the backing and the seat were this faux velvet red. Weird … but ill never forget it and this brings back memories!

I have two Cescas. I love them. they are one of the most comfortable chair have ever had

My parents had those when I was growing up, they were a bit of a mess tho because the weaved part would break after a while (specially because we usually rested all the weight of our bodies on one knee and feet on them). That’s why after fixing them (and scolding us) many times, they retired them to the kitchen… but they made a mess on the tile floor because we had lost the little plastic things that protected the floor from the metal. After 20 years the frame gave in so I would say they were a bit of a mess for our household

I have several of these from the late 80s, I still have a new model from a few years ago, the best thing about these is that you never sweat in a chair, it's like sitting in air, so comfy 😝👍🏼

Blanket on a radiator is another genius move

My grandpa had Breuer-style dining chairs like this The woven seat and backing kept breaking and had to be repaired… But they were great Not as comfortable as a padded dining chair but far better than a solid metal, wood, or plastic chair I always wanted those chairs for my own space I couldn’t find them and his ended up donated So I bet since they’re coming back I’m sure to find one now! For way too much money lol

never meet that chair in my life

Glad to know this is one of the top chairs of the 20th century. That's an absolutely riveting list I need the rest of

Thanks for sharing this chair ❤❤❤

They were in so many factories in UK. They were cheep, light and a bit more doorable than plastic ones. Wouldn't call them comfortable though. All the overlocker I ever knew strapped cushions to the leg numbing things.

Never seen this chair. Never heard of it. I don't have it. I clicked

I’ve bought four B32 at the trift shop for only 90 euro. They are amazing and an absolute design icon. Really liked this video!

Love the structural design of the chair... the cane just makes it look old-fashioned.

OMG my dad is lawyer and since growing up we had like so many of these, in fact I am sitting on one right now !!!

@ZeroGravity23

2 жыл бұрын

Why is it necessary to say that your dad is a lawyer?

@pranavkumar1818

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZeroGravity23 Because from where I am, thats a very big part of why we owned these chairs. Usually these chairs were found in courts and when my dad was setting up his office at home, he decided to go with these chairs. The one I am sitting on is more than 20 years old lol.

I had that design. I had a bad habit of rocking on my chair, standing it on the rear only. Well, one day I rocked and then so gently and silently, the chair folded up, leaving me comfortably on the floor. Since then, I have to have four legs on the floor.

I am literally sitting in one while I came across this. I love this chair for it is just genius how a bent steel rod can hold a human comfortably in air with a little pleasant rocking movement.

Great video. I take an interest in vintage and second hand furniture and I hadn't given any thought to why these are so popular. Here in Australia a single vintage Cesca (not a replica) chair in good condition is around $500

Literally EVERYONE has this chair? I don't.

@woudgy

Жыл бұрын

Oh gosh, what a clever observation. Are you okay? You must be tired.

Here in Germany, I see the leather version more frequently than the wooden one.

Had this chair in the 80’s and 90’s with a beautiful teak table with one huge butterfly leaf. Great table. Bought both at The Scandinavian Store.

I am LIVING for all of this built environment content

Great title for striking the eye of people who have the chair and those who are confused

We absolutely had a pair of these growing up I the 80s. We got rid of then when the cane started breaking.

Never seen a chair like this in my life until now.

I swear I have never seen one of these chair before.. my favorite chair model is the white plastic lawn chair , simplicity at its finest

I’m Australian and I’ve seen these chairs everywhere

@dream-zf1th

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say, i’ve never seen them

I’ve never seen this chair before but after this now I kind of want one 😅

@Dlipton01

2 жыл бұрын

It’s simple but functional and modern. Plus looks comfortable too.

My parents had these same chairs when I was growing up. It was an entire dining room table set. Nostalgic.

Very nice! ❤️ Please make such videos more.. very intriguing! ❤️

I think the mesh is not that long lasting. Once there's a hole in it the chair is visually impaired but still far from being worth it to replace the sitting area. Ok, just checked how to repair it: seems like it's doable at home with a little patience. The wood frame can be separated from the webbing. Still, you need to find the cane webbing first.

the way my grandparents literally have this as their dining chair…

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Architects are obsessed with chairs and this is one of best, because it is the most comfortable. Along with the #14 nothing is more pure and elegant.

I really appreciated this history. These always look so 70s-80s in design to me that they do not appeal. However, Ludwig Mies van der Rohe's MR20 Bauhaus chair is gorgeous (despite the shortcomings mentioned in the video). But maybe it's just me.

Omg🤕 I had fell so many times from this chair in my childhood. If you push even slightly backwards with your legs in the air, you are gone. I avoid it even today, such is the fear in my mind. It should be called one of the dangerous chairs in the world 😳 Although one benefit was that it improved my posture because you have to be very disciplined while sitting in order to avoid falling.

@hazza2247

Жыл бұрын

bro that’s just operator error

@madbruv

Жыл бұрын

@@hazza2247 thats chair error. Why would a chair not let you rock

lol i went down a rabbit hole about chair design last year during lockdown. really enjoyed this video and hoping for more about the wassily, thonet and eames.

Yep, grew up sitting at a table with these in the 90s! I just sent this to my mom hoping she still has them!

Just had an presentation about this today, such a coincidence!

Guys, I don’t have it.

Never had one. Now I want one. Precious.

I grew up with Thonet S32 in the kitchen and they’re finally getting appreciated

Gonna disagree that the over-the-top handle on a teapot is 'more comfortable' than one with a side handle. As a regular teapot user, the top ones require an awkward and uncomfortable twisting of the hand, arm, and wrist whilst the side ones are much easier to pour.

literally never seen this chair before today

Looking at Bauhaus designs makes me happy.

You have no idea how long I've been waiting for a new by Design episode.

ironically, i dont have this chair!

I've literaly never seen a chair like that in my life. If I've ever seen it in a movie, it was too unremarkable for me to remember.

THANK YOU, MARCEL BREUER,!!!!

I have never seen this chair before in my life and I'm someone who appreciates chairs.

I've seen this chair exactly once in real life- I was cleaning out a Freind's house and saw it in the corner and asked "could I have it?". He said "hehe yeah" and pulled off the sheet of cardboard that was on top of it revealing a massive gaping hole in the seat about the size of a record. It's probably still down there...

@nicolasmarkschat

2 жыл бұрын

Takes about 30€ and 2 hours to fix btw - I found one on the street a year ago, also with a broken seat.

@0Iive

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicolasmarkschat that’s surprisingly cheap, rattan is usually very difficult to repair

@nicolasmarkschat

2 жыл бұрын

​@@0Iive The design of the chair makes it pretty simple. Tbf, I got the cheapest piece of rattan I could find - probably won't last forever.

How do you get 16 bends in the frame? I count only 10, 2 of which set the back at its slight angle. Also, visual designs like that of the Cesca chair are protected by patent, not copyright, and design patents only last 14 years. Thus, regardless of whether had acquired legal protection in the US for his design (he did not), the patent would have expired by the time the design rose to widespread popularity. And, it's even possible that a patent on the design would have been refused, based on prior art - the fact that bent steel tubing had been used for similar furniture pieces quite extensively before Breuer's design.

@PharoahJardin

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand where the "16 bends" come from either.

Yes my parents absolutely have had these chairs since the 90s

I love the bounce of this chair, its so relaxing.

I'm gonna be honest with you... i have never seen that chair before

I don’t have this chair

We had one of these in a place I worked at years ago that would fall backwards when you sat in it. That was enough for me to never sit in one back then, or ever since.

I like the “school report” quality of these videos