My first time with a zone was really cool. I spotted at Hudson mills 08 dglo tournament and mark Ellis gave my buddy an unmarked zone and told him to try it out. He said its brand new and it's going to change the short game forever. I threw it a few times and immediately fell in love. They only had d plastic at that time and I bought 2. The shots that disc created for me were absolutely amazing. It deserves all the hype and praise imo.

You could say the same thing about the destroyer from Innova, literally, every disc manufacture has a 12 5 -1 3 disc.

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

Ah, you might like this video we did comparing “Destroyer” type discs: How can two 12/5/-1/3 discs fly the exact opposite? because Flight Numbers Don’t Matter | Destroyers kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnaG0NySkdXLgM4.html

@jeffdejaynes7231

Жыл бұрын

Destroyers, teebird and Roc all copied by everyone.

@JoshJackson13

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffdejaynes7231 don't forget avior and firebird

@TheSchmolke

Жыл бұрын

Or the Wraith

Is anyone else jealous how smooth this college guy can FH?

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

Max (college guy) appreciates this comment.

I played disc golf for 20 years before I started throwing forehands. The zone is the disc that did it. 5 years later and I have a balanced game. I bag two zones and 4 drivers specifically for throwing forehands.

I use a DD Lucid Justice instead of a Zone. It's a speed 5 but it's a great head wind putter and flicks great

I'm a huge fan of the zone hand feel, but the new runs of champion that the toro has been released in captured my heart--some of the best feeling plastic in my bag. It's got the perfect tack and give while looking beautiful.

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

I got my hands on a Champion Toro recently and it felt nice enough for me to question whether I wanted to try it but I'm too in love with my Jarn!

Great video! The Zone is definitely a must have in any players bag.

Feldberg says the Sinus is the real inspiration for the Zone

The "Zone slot" defines my approach game for sure. I've been trying to find other "Zones" just to explore what's out there. So far I'm really enjoying the Kastaplast Jarn as well.

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

I see you have great taste in shapes, as well as discs.

@philippundso2975

Жыл бұрын

i like the innova caiman. it def has more glide than the numbers say and it is reliable

@Discsforbaskets

Жыл бұрын

I've found the Jarn is a further, straighter zone.

@stbw33

Жыл бұрын

​@@Discsforbasketswhat plastic? I have a K1 Jarn and it's miles more overstable than my Z and Cryztal Flex Zones

@oddarntnes7079

Жыл бұрын

@@stbw33kastaplast isnt that reliable and very often more understable than other brands

Soft Tactic and flex Zone I didn't understand the need for this slot until I got one. Fun to throw and definite stroke saver.

I bag 2 "zones"... one a well seasoned ESP Zone that I can manipulate in any way I really want, but it still has the reliable Zone low speed stability. The other is a Gateway Devilhawk in Suregrip that has less glide, less groundplay and is a little more overstable.

This is such a cool video! I'm surprised about the Marwede statistics! I didn't realize he was such a good putter! A Michigan boy! Love it 😁🥏🥏🥏⛳

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

He was #2 on tour from circle 1 in 2021 as well, solid!

I carry a zone and a Golem. The zone is super consistent and the Golem is for when I need it to hit and stick because it’s rubber and super flexie

I bag a lone star disc harpoon in victor 1 plastic and it is a great alternative for anyone who has small hands and finds that even the zone is a bit deep. The victor plastics are notably overstable. Maybe close to the new zone OS although I’ve only had a few throws with the zone os to compare.

@AndresWeber

Жыл бұрын

I used to love mine, but they're noticeably less overstable than zones in my opinion. At least z plastic and not jawbreaker or anything similar. I didn't bag bravo or alpha though, so I might try those since the shallowness really was amazing.

my go to overstable putter is the obsidian discs splinter. flies very similarly to a zone but the handfeel is imo much nicer

ESP Zones come stock as well, I think the only plastic reserved for special editions is the metallic Z. Same thing with the Razor Claw mold, only the Tour Series versions have the really flat top all the way to the edge, and the stock and Neo ones are made in a different mold.

Old R-Pro innova roc. That’s what the zone reminds me of. I’m talking 1990s/ early 2000s R-Pro plastic. Wish they still made those.

Love this I need more

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

Ask and you shall receive!

@hopwood83

Жыл бұрын

@@SixSidedDiscs can’t wait

I've had a Z Zone for a while now and I love it! Only thing I'm not such a fan of is that it has a tendency to skip a lot. Therefore I just bought a cryztal flx zone in hope of getting a little less ground play in that one.

My alternative is a Jokeri from Prodiscus

I'm excited to get my mvp circuit challenge tempo on september 2nd to try it out.

No, we owe it all to the Gator. Or to go back even further, the star whippet-x.

I bag 3 harps Beat in Tournament harp for the straight shots VIP glimmer for super stable Cycle in New Tournament for main approach disc

i threw the DGA Breaker for years before discovering my love for the Innova Rhyno. i now have a (very beat) RPro Rhyno and a Champ Rhyno in my bag

What about the Pig? That seems to fill the same slot? Ricky's Slammer seems to be trying to reproduce that.

besides pig/rhyno also the sinus came out prior. The zone is far from being first over stable approach disc... Not sure why they said it was the first of it's kind...

I subscribing to the Järn. Love the Kastaplast K1 plastic and the Järn has a definitive overstability. It's my goto to scramble back and up the fairway from sticky situations. It will regain horisontal position from extremely anhyzered forehand shots. I'm still gearing up to its abilities as a approach disc (but that's 'cause I'm still somewhat new to the sport). The Järn just does something no other disc in my back does.

I can't speak to the other brands, but one disc Innova makes filled the overstable putt and approach disc slot since 1998, and that's the Rhyno. It's been available in every major plastic type, and the Ontario molds are apparently the most overstable. The Rhyno is differentiated from the Zone in that it has a thinner rim, is less aerodynamic, and not flat-top (some runs can be domey). And though not quite as stable or fast, up until the release of the Zone, the Rhyno was the closest to that slot to that point. The Zone did push the boundary of overstable approach discs, but it wasn't alone. Coincidentally the Pig came out the same month the Zone did, is more stable than the Rhyno, but had a thicker rim, yet because of the Thumbtrac, is less aerodynamic than the Zone. That said, the Pig has generally been flatter than the Rhyno, without being flat top. The Pig and Zone are a lot more similar in terms of overstability, and arguably could fill the same spot, but the Rat (2017) and Toro (2021) have been the closest to a "Zone clone" to fill that slot, though in my experience the Rat is a touch less stable in comparable plastic, and the Toro a touch more stable, than the Zone.

Im glad you mentioned the slammer. I miss the original run of slammers before ricky signed to DD. I still bag a sockibomb for backhand but the deep rim throws of my forehand. My zoneslot is huge. Classic slammers, Sockibolb glow slammer, justice, Caiman. Im not a brand loyalist. I just use what works.

@devlin76

5 ай бұрын

I do not really like the new sockibomb slammer, so I switched to the culprit.

Gateways Demon was doing this 2 years before the Zone. Also, Star Rancjo Rocs were this slot way before the Zone, too. Don't forget about the OGs of the game

@KarstRats

Жыл бұрын

Rocks don't feel like right in my hand though. Idk what it is. Doesn't feel good. Can't release it well because of that. Always thinking about my grip on that thing.

@fangerpicker

Жыл бұрын

At least two years, for sure! Though the speed of the Demon puts it in a slightly different class maybe? Slow fairway driver instead of midrange/putter? But I remember when the Demon first came out, and everyone thought Gateway was so silly for making such a ridiculously overstable disc... And now every manufacturer has what feels to me like their version of the Demon. I'm throwing mostly MVP now, but I still prefer the Demon over the Entropy for what the kids on this vid are calling "Zone shots" 🤣

Love me some tactics ;)

Always in the bag.

I bag both an ESP Zone and a Mr. Putt. They fly nearly identical, but the Mr. Putt has zero ground play. It literally just stops dead every time it hits the ground. Also because of the blocky flat rim, the Mr. Putt is a great forehand roller too.

My gold line Claymore has made many over 90’ throw ins. It’s sort of flat like the zone. Also mako 3.

The prodigy A2 you showed had so much flashing hahaha

I love my A2, but it is slightly faster and over stable, however,, the new distortion to me matches my zone almost perfectly. I can get it to land a flat like my zones and the speed is slower than the a2. Prodigy nailed it with the distortion.

My "zone" slot is Innova Pig, mostly because thumtrac and more putter like handfeel. I still count Pig 3 speed what ever Innova say it's not even that bad to putt whit

I bag the Toro. But before the Toro, there was the Caiman 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨. I bag both. But I also bag a Bobcat, and a Pyro. Similar over stability, but different uses. I like the the Toro and Caiman for forehand approaches, and the others for backhand. And I get it, the the only one that’s probably ‘approach’ type is the Toro. But mids and approach discs are fun. Rarely, I will even putt with my Toro.

The harp is easily my favorite, that said I started only a week ago.

@KarstRats

Жыл бұрын

Try a pure. It's a lot straighter flying than the harp. For me anyways. And durable as all get out if you get the hard version.

@OvertPumkin

Жыл бұрын

@@KarstRats Picked up a Glitch since I posted this so I'm good on my straight flier for now :D

@KarstRats

Жыл бұрын

@@OvertPumkin that thing will teach you some touch for sure.

Me months to trust my buddy when he'd tell me "it's a zone shot" lol for sure this disc can do a lot of shapes.

I'm an A2 guy now days but I did pick up a jarn recently for more teepad work

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

I used to have a 400 A1 and 300 A2 and I loved them but eventually they got replaced, in hindsight idk why

I have never really needed a Zone. I just find myself needing an overstable putter that feels good to forehand. That would be like Innova claiming the rights that all overstable drivers are Destroyer knock offs. And I don't think that I would go that far. People just need a disc for that overstable putter slot. Right now my favorite is the A2. Thrown the tactic, zone, harp, entropy and so far I like the A2. It probably will not always be that way. I do like all the discs that I mentioned. Entropy feels weird atm to forehand. I don't know what it is. Probably just me though.

The z flx zone is the best disc I've ever owned

Wow. Shoutout to andrew marwede.

Lonestar has the walker definitely zone like just one speed higher at a 5

The Gator and the Cro, were beadless overstable midranges well before the Zone. FH throwers have been throwing beadless midranges forever. The Zone just made it more popular. I recently switched to a royal savior by lat 64. As ive been trying to find a disc that has that feel of a star Cro. Also love the Justice when you need something just a bit more stable.

Very well done video and an interesting watch. That being said, it's only natural that every company has their "Zones" just like they have their Destroyer, Firebird, Teebird and Buzz clones as well. I feel like if you miss any of the aforementioned counterparts in your lineup, it will become a big issue for potential customers considering changing the whole bag (or sponsorship) to the said brand.

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video, I totally understand the idea of these companies looking at the success of the "staples" as many players call them and saying, of course we have to make those. On the other hand, how do we ever get anything new in disc golf if we don't have companies like Kastaplast saying, ok sure we can make copies but what if we just do our own thing (perhaps until Latitude took over, we'll see what they come out with in the future). No one else made a Berg, the Rask, etc. And while some of those discs are a bit divisive, the people that love them love them. Then again, some others were less successful like the Grym/Grym X or Stal, which has Firebird numbers but a totally different feel and definitely doesn't fly quite the same.

@Peilla

Жыл бұрын

Love my Stal!

0:52 - This is not an accurate claim, sorry. The Zone was not the first overstable throwing putter. The (simply amazing) Lat64 Sinus was approved by the PDGA 2+ years prior in Feb 2006. The Zone is inspired by the Sinus, but isn't as good in my view. Lat64 understood what the market needed - and the other overstable putters do not have the ultra-sharp bottom rim of the Sinus, which stops it from skipping and sliding when it lands. I call the Sinus a "Negative Driver" - for its sharp bottom edge, and also because the Sinus is NOT a flying disc. The Sinus (and some other discs) are in fact "spin-stabilised ballistic discs" which do not generate ANY lift over their top surface. All they do is create mechanical left from thee ramp below the parting lane.

The zone for me is a throwing outter but my jawbreaker plastics film is wearing off because I grip in the same spot every time lol. I need to get a premium plastics zone type disc.

@JasonLuther1

11 ай бұрын

The breaker plastic is amazing. Sometimes the non premium plastics are better in my opinion, you can get a few of varying degrees of wear. That's how my mid ranges are. All kc pro rocks, always bag a brand new on for headwind and big bombs. A slightly beat up rock for hyzer flips, a super beat in for turn over etc.

Get Freaky Crystal Flex Zone is my favorite approach disc

I bag a harp, but want to try out the zone.

how about the Innova Rat? I believe it is also similar to the Zone

A lot of manufactures have that one disc that’s copied by all other manufacturers: Discraft Zone Innova Destroyer Kastaplast Berg

@harrisaari8067

Жыл бұрын

Has berg been copied? Cant think of any unless slammer can be considered as one.

@Rowboats_Adventure

Жыл бұрын

@@harrisaari8067 lone star disc armadillo is pretty close. Still technically a harder thumb track but flight characteristics pretty spot on

@harrisaari8067

Жыл бұрын

@@Rowboats_Adventure That explains. Lonestar isnt being sold in finland at all.

I have a 5 speed MVP deflector that’s technically a mid but I have not found a disc more cash for overstable approach discs. The thing is beef

@PKD145

Жыл бұрын

my deflector is probably getting replaced with a zone os. I bag both currently but every time I wanted stupid beef I've grabbed the zone os since it's hand feel is more similar to my other approach discs, which are a RC3, Origio Harp, and CryZstal Zone.

Gateway's Devilhawk is more overstable out of the box and in the suregrip, it will never skip.

Sinus came before the Zone tho.

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the grip pads on the top made the Sinus just a little too different for players compared to the Zone.

@1andonlyMiro

Жыл бұрын

@@SixSidedDiscs it's more the depth of the Sinus as it's pretty deep. Also I believe the grip pads caused more production issues but I might be wrong on that. The Spike is actually really pleasant for forehand flicks because of the grip pads imo.

It’s the vip harp for me

I am one of the lucky one who has this 2018 Ledgestone Crystal Z flag dye zone.. if I lose it.. I do not know with what I can replace it, maybe Estonian Edition Crystal Zone is the closest one...

4-speed OS is equivalent to the pitching wedge in ball golf.

I wouldn’t even include the Ricky Slammer on here for comparison. Completely different disc

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

We didn’t throw one but it looked too good to not be in the thumbnail!

I’m a tactic guy. Just like how it feels.

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

I tried the Tactic a couple times, I really like the plastic options, but its just a tiny bit too deep for me.

DGA Breaker!!!

Does the Legacy Recluse qualify?

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

If it flies that way for you then sure!

Crystal flex zone is goated

My alternative is the Drone.

So 1st the stabilizer is nothing like a zone besides that it's overstable. It is shaped more like a putter it has dome and has a putter like rim. 2nd the harp doesn't have a bead, it has a midrange style rim. 3rd if any of these disc's tip their hat it's not to the zone. The zone was created to mimic the beardless roc which I think was the rancho roc being a flat beardless version of the roc meaning it's a more overstable roc and the rocs numbers were already 4 3 0 3.

I still haven't settled on one. I was a pig man, then a jarn man, and then a tactic guy, and currently the slot is open in my bag. Debating a get freaky or a zone os. I threw a pig in that spot for over a decade, maybe I'll pick another pig up. This weekend I'll be throwing nothing in that slot. The most over stable mid ranges in my bag are an A4 and an EMAC truth. Maybe I'll toss my wife's entropy in the bag for the weekend. No idea. This was a great video, you got yourself a new subscriber with it!

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind words and for subscribing! Good luck on finding your “zone”, luckily there’s no shortage of options.

I will say the sinus was approved 2 years before the zone, making it the earlier os approach disc of the 2 Edit: I personally use the tactic because it’s deeper and unbeaded so I can throw it both FH and BH

FYI: a puddle top does not increase disc stability. I have puddled many discs over the decades (accidentally and on purpose) and their stability does not increase - sorry. Talk to Yeti about the Aviar Yeti Pro: it is not more stable than a standard Aviar P&A despite having a puddle top. The Puddle top is to improve putting grip and promote a nose flat or nose-down putt, which is very difficult to to with a domed putter.

I dont' bag a zone or anything like it. The closest is an aviar x3 and I've been playing for 23 years.

I’m a big fan of the pig

The Rhyno, Pig, and Gator were all approved before the zone.

@DRickAnderson

Жыл бұрын

The Ryhno and Pig are DEEEP dish bois and the Gator is a mid-range. Not the same at all.

@jeffdejaynes7231

Жыл бұрын

@@DRickAnderson they pig has the same rim depth as the zone and the Rhyno is 0.1cmdeeper. Far from DEEEP dish. The Gator may be rated a 5 speed, but it’s definitely slower than that. It’s a small diameter overstable approach disc just like the Zone is. It’s just beaded, but it pretty much fills the same slot. All 4 discs fill the OS approach slot. The zone was the last one approved.

@DRickAnderson

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffdejaynes7231 I actually own ALL of these discs, and the specifications filed with the PDGA actually show the Rhyno and Zone as having the same rim depth but it's so obvious when holding them that it's not. The Pig is 1.4cm (the zone and rhyno show 1.3 on the PDGA site). I'll have to get a caliper to check, but just pick one up. It's SUPER easy to feel the difference. On that note, I get your argument 100%, just to be clear. I'm just being pedantic.

@yordankrumov7905

Жыл бұрын

I agree, besides pig/rhyno also the sinus came out prior. The zone is far from being first over stable approach disc... Not sure why they said it was the first of its kind...

TORO FAN

pig was before the zone but cheers

dude. the gator was out for decade before the zone. a beadless gator is a zone. star gators 2008-2012 were majority beadless.

You forgot the New soft Zone.

Its a tragedy the pig was never mentioned 😭

Would love to see what Ricky could do with a zone..

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

Based on the Socki Slammer he probably would have asked for a Zone OS lol

@andrewsandahl7105

Жыл бұрын

Ricky moonshine harp

Prodigy a2 is far superior

The harp was first

@83hnybadger

Жыл бұрын

What? the zone was approved by the PDGA in 2008, the harp wasn't released until 2013.

Zone os would be more comparable to a toro

@SixSidedDiscs

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t been able to test a toro yet, is it that much more overstable?

@colinfrederick9033

Жыл бұрын

@@SixSidedDiscs I think it'll get to the ground faster, but I found it flying extremely similar to a regular zone in the field.

@83hnybadger

Жыл бұрын

No sir, the zone and toro are extremely comparable. The Zone OS makes a Toro look like paper plate, it's almost unthrowable.

@joejherrington4687

Жыл бұрын

@@SixSidedDiscs I have an a2/3 and the toro is much more over stable, a2/3 are supposed to be more like a zone I would say toro is more than zone maybe not as close as zone os