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@itsmaddogofficial

2 жыл бұрын

Hi daddy filmento!

@abdulazizmerdad4093

2 жыл бұрын

Dune was basically a 2 hour trailer for the next film

@Filmento

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdulazizmerdad4093 did you like the tobey scream here?

@lpc9929

2 жыл бұрын

The the bacteria agriculture spiderman manure table spinach agriculture bacteria electrical plumbing bacteria spinach? oil change bacteria goldfish feces. (English not language first)

@itsmaddogofficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@lpc9929 wtf

Blade runner 2049: no bagpipes Dune: bagpipes Your honour, I rest my case

@allofthepoints9636

2 жыл бұрын

The judge had an aneurysm trying to comprehend the sheer overwhelming emotion of those bagpipes. The outcome of this case will henceforth be decided by ritual combat.

@brayantgnomez6102

2 жыл бұрын

I think I’ve made my self perfectly redundant

@russellchadwell7940

2 жыл бұрын

In one hundred years, people will remember this comment as the moment "Needs more cowbell" was replaced by "Needs more bagpipes".

@texanplayer7651

2 жыл бұрын

If only Frank Herbert had invented a very famous lute like instrument in his book that doesn't look like a bagpipe at all... Oh wait...

@serenbaden6248

2 жыл бұрын

This but unironically

Bladerunner 2049 was a masterpiece, Dune part 1 is just a succesful masterpiece

@zaid2009

2 жыл бұрын

this, this right here is the proper answer yes

@chainjaw8013

2 жыл бұрын

USaidIt

@Trowarr

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but that the main character being so indifferent for the better part of the movie was off putting + that he was that much more powerful than humans and most androids didn´t help. But I really liked the world building, the visuals and sound design.

@davidtalon5553

2 жыл бұрын

Agree.

@Yhh272

2 жыл бұрын

Very well put....YES

I personally loved the end battle, no flashes, no explosions, just the numb muffled tone of reality. The opponent was foreshadowed as a friendly guide that will show him the way of the desert and ultimately he did, but not in the way depicted in the visions. Gold.

@fendelphi

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@alexandrexavier3273

2 жыл бұрын

That one got me confused, I was not expecting him to kill his oponent and when he did so it had much more meaning since Paul started to challange his visions

@azmodanpc

2 жыл бұрын

Loved the "foreshadowing" of Chani: telling Paul he's doomed since Jamis is a good fighter and there's honor in defeat.

@user-ry6xb1db7g

Жыл бұрын

Film forgot to say one thing - Paul was trained to fight against people with shields. Shields can be penetraited only with slow objects. So Paul slowes his hits to penetrate shield, which is not there and aponent just evade them.

@mich3134

Жыл бұрын

this is so good

I love how you clarify that all the "flaws" that made blade runner 2049 a fail aren't really flaws that downgrade it as an art piece, but more so as a marketable movie to an audience.

I seriously loved the part in 2049 where they tell K he is not "the Chosen One". Like how tragic is that, thinking you're the protagonist of your own story, thinking your life has some higher meaning only to be brutally told, it doesn't. This makes it even more satisfying to see K fighting for and reuniting father and daughter and with that giving it meaning, with that making it matter. He was not destined to do so, but he did it anyway, out of free will. It was a brave narrative choice which felt special and which I love BR 2049 for.

@matiascollumau

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on and well said LiamPhill, when I first watched BR 2049 I followed K's emotional arch and I was totally obsorbed and blown away by its delivery of its message. But my friend who watched it and paid more attention to the world building details and what's physically happening, he thought the film was jus meh. Robot gave birth, people try to cover it up, main character is in danger etc. So we watched it again and swapped what we'll pay attention to. And I found it boring and he loved it this time. The film is about K. the back story is the back story.

@4Everlast

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but you forget he didn't want to be the "chose one", later on he gets into it, just to go back to being less then human with a short shelf life.

@dixonhill1108

2 жыл бұрын

@italkcrab It's not a pysche moment, it's a theme directly from the original. The whole point of being a replicant is the uncertain memories that go along with it. You didn't understand the movie if you think it was just about subverting expectations. The whole film was about identity, or more accurately the illusion of identity.

@dixonhill1108

2 жыл бұрын

@@matiascollumau The whole movie from start to finish is asking the question of what makes a person a person. Is it a childhood, live birth parentage, is it simply being in love, empathy, independence etc. If you're bored it's because you aren't thinking. The purpose of the film isn't to answer a question it's to ask it. It's your job as the watcher to attempt to answer it. There's no clear answer as each scene in the movie pushes you in another direction.

@sharp7j

2 жыл бұрын

Br 2049 was amazing for this very reason. You don't have to be "the chosen one" or even a human (in this case a replicant) to find meaning in your life. You would think people who are typically also boring as fuck in their own lives and not the chosen one could relate that this is a story for them, but no we get small brains like @italkcrab angry because they don't get their wish fulfillment bullshit.

What I appreciate so much about Bladerunner 2049 is that Denis knew it wasn't going to be some box office triumph, he knew casual viewers would find his film slow...but he stuck to his vision anyway. He didn't make it a dumbed-down action flick or bastardize the themes for the sake of accessibility. He made it because he wanted to, because he was passionate about the story. Denis is a true artist who will be remembered as one of the greats.

@hudscp

2 жыл бұрын

This 100%. I find it no more slow than the original. I actually prefer 2049. Instead of copping out with a remake or a “Force Awakens” style remake, he chose to go with a new story.

@manicdan481

2 жыл бұрын

He makes movies that make me want a bigger tv and louder speakers and also one where I should pay attention. I don't go to a theater often, but I made the effort to go see Dune and was really happy I did. I wish I saw 2049 in theater, but I didn't know it would be that kind of experience and I'm kicking myself over it. I hope he never changes and keeps bringing us movies that are for our sense of immersion.

@djomla9999

2 жыл бұрын

Both of these movies are well liked by the audience, BR didn't fail at all, it's just that Dune had way more hype behind it...

@richardmalcolm1457

2 жыл бұрын

@@hudscp "I find it no more slow than the original. I actually prefer 2049." Never thought I'd say it, but it's true.

@benaliend

2 жыл бұрын

@CEO of Secularism and massive respect from cinephiles

I honestly think the final battle between Paul and Jamis was really powerful... Maybe it's cheating to develop character relationships through supernatural visions, but this fight being Paul's first kill comes secondary to the tension of having to kill someone that was established as an ally in those visions. The subversion of being challenged to a duel by that ally, then realizing halfway through that it's a duel to the death, then killing that ally (and thereby revealing that his visions are malleable) felt like a very tense and satisfying concluding fight for me

@tallone832

2 жыл бұрын

ya same here honestly

@richlisola1

2 жыл бұрын

It was powerful, but not more so than K and Luv’s fight. There was tension and emotion between them. Even some latent attraction on her part. When he drowned her, my God the emotion was overflowing

@vsync

2 жыл бұрын

"wait what? this isn't how it's supposed to be" in the back of his head while fighting the dude

@joshuabroad6186

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree. It was a impactful way to demonstrate Paul's foresight as possible futures not THE future

@elisebrown5157

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. Jamis wasn't some "random dude" we just met. He was established throughout Paul's visions as an ally (and once as the man who kills Paul). We lose an entire future of close friendship and teachings when we lose Jamis. Paul learns how one split second's decision can radically change the future (what if Jessica hadn't bested Stilgar so blatantly? What if Paul hadn't volunteered as her champion?) We also lose Paul's innocence in that moment. Yes, he's royalty, trained in combat by the universe's best, trained in prana-bindu by his Bene Gesserit mother, trained in Mentat skills by Thufir Hawat (not mentioned in the movie), and alluded to be the Kwisatz Haderach through the Bene Gesserit breeding program. But at heart, he's still a 15 year old kid. He hasn't had to make life or death decisions. His movements and choices have always been guided by someone else. The first time he was given a true choice of this nature was in his gom jabbar testing - would he choose to live or die - it was his choice alone and he made it. That was one type of strength he'd need. Here he must make the choice for another human, and that's yet another type of strength he will need. He can rule himself, and now he can rule others. But only through the price of innocence lost.

Mass appeal is a killer of art. I liked Bladerunner 2049 because it felt realistic. Things in real life are slow and messy, everything meaningful takes time to achieve. The journey is often unexciting and dull, or at least it seems that way. It's the purpose, the intent, that gives meaning to action. Most of K's emotion is internal. We are given time and we get to process the story with him, instead of being handheld on how we are supposed to feel. People and their motivations aren't always obvious as well. We don't see a resolution or a payoff to everything, just like we don't in real life. Ultimately I think Denis struck a nice balance in Dune and I really enjoyed it, even though it's not as grounded and philosophical.

@onepewds8485

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you! Bladerunner 2049 was talking about someone who wasn't the main character or the "chosen one" but was important such as one because without him the entire story couldn't happen in the first place! I found bladerunner very real and human. Instead Dune was the usual story about the hero (who can't possibly die so you know is gonna survive until the end of the film) and the fight between good and evil. I found it a little bit boring... The only scene I didn't really like about bladerunner 2049 is when they are fighting in the ocean.

@brienneoftarth7717

Жыл бұрын

Money and profit motives is the death of art

@brienneoftarth7717

Жыл бұрын

@fck peace No. we have produced more stuff. Art and the profit motive are mutually exclusive because art can only be made for art and beauty’s sake, if you’re making changes and considerations for the profit motive, that can’t be so.

@brienneoftarth7717

Жыл бұрын

@fck peace Having a patron is different than selling your work

@luxinvictus9018

Жыл бұрын

Problem is, mass appeal pays the bills Unfortunately, that's the reality of the situation. I'm an artist and I love to make symbolic art with esoteric themes. I drew a lot of spiritual and experimental stuff. However, these days I make Rick and Morty-esque character designs and concept art because it's cheap and fast to make, and allows me to have a job. The kind of art I would want to make has become a personal hobby because I haven't (yet) found a way to market it. Back when I used to put it online, some people really loved it. But it was too few and not enough to make a living. Mass appeal kills art. But this isnt the old days when artists were sponsored by noble families or religious institutions or kings. If we have to work to survive, it's inevitable that we will gravitate towards mass appeal and standardized work which can be mass produced

I don't care what NPCs think, BR2049 is a masterpiece Edit : I Edit to respond to the NPC who feel offended. Why BR2049 is a masterpiece ? It is a masterpiece for the cinematic, the soundtrack, the anti-blockbuster arc of K. Who is not the hero he think he was. K is a metaphore of each of us. He seek truth in a world of lie. BR2049 continue the philophical quest of the meaning of life who was introduce in BR. What make us human ?

@MrK2890

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps that's because you're the NPC...

@paranormaldoctor5451

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrK2890 perhaps not

@JPS-sc1zn

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrK2890 No, NPCs are the ones who think br2049 sucks because it's not like a brainlet overly action packed marvel movie

@ooonyxxx

2 жыл бұрын

It's a horribly-paced movie that would rather show a 10 hour long scenery shot than a single interesting character

@JollywoodJoel

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrK2890 I bet you would had hated the first film too as most people did, good thing it's becoming a great classic

Arrival, 2049, Dune... I'm just glad we're getting all of these sci-fis from the masterful Dennis Villeneuve

@triggeredbeetle5370

2 жыл бұрын

Man has NEVER made a bad movie

@gamerstheater1187

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@TiberiusCreates

2 жыл бұрын

@@triggeredbeetle5370 Not just has he never made a bad movie, but i'd argue he's never made a movie that isn't amazing. at least all the ones I've seen have been stellar

@dwightschrute3992

2 жыл бұрын

Watch prisoners it’s directed by Villeneuve

@austin12923

2 жыл бұрын

I’m just glad to be getting movies from Villenevue in general. He’s definitely doing amazing in the sci-fi genre though.

Dune was certainly impressive but Blade Runner 2049 has stolen my heart forever. I watched it 14 times on the big screen (including many times in IMAX on Britain's biggest cinema screen). BR2049 made me feel things I never thought I could feel. It simply means the world to me. I find Dune a bit overhyped but to each their own...

@volrogue

2 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video?

@emilevangheem6165

2 жыл бұрын

Same (except for the watching it 14 times lmao)

@sinoflust9432

2 жыл бұрын

Well thats exactly opposite for me

@maarja.kallaste

Жыл бұрын

Same 🙌

@breakthesteak7357

Жыл бұрын

Opposite for me. I find Blade Runner boring.

I agree with what others are saying. Paul's visions of Jamis are what was set up and payed off. Don't forget that one of those visions actually saved Paul and his mother's lives in the sandstorm. Paul had to kill the man who, unbeknownst to him, saved his life. I also think that this is a more satisfying arc than a villain insert, as it more closely represents the themes of Dune as portrayed in the movie. Up to that point, you might think all Paul's visions could be inevitable, but in fact they are not. They are "potential futures." This makes the true thematic ending, where Paul "answers the call" and chooses to enter the desert instead of going off planet thereby accepting the future he saw where he is the chosen one, much much more satisfying as at the last moment the future changed from an inevitability to the thorny path chosen by our hero. The "possible future" he chose to live. However, the point you're making here is that a villain insert would have been more palatable to general audiences. And I have to agree with that. I just hope we can get general audiences to acquire a taste for stuff like this too. After all, it wasn't all that long ago where everyone hated comic book movies. Also, thanks for pointing out that LOTR orc. Haven't read the books in a while and never registered that he was a movie-only character. Stroke of brilliance there.

@maximeteppe7627

2 жыл бұрын

I found also the fact that the visions were true but in a very roundabout way an interesting payoff. This fremen DID enable Paul to be accepted by the fremen - but it was done with the act of Paul killing him. It('s true though that it doesn't seem quite like a conclusion to paul's character arc. To me the first part of the movie was more satisfying, the Harkonnen attack came a bit too fast and I like more setup and tension building, so the last hour felt a bit like the movie was gliding down in terms of plot and spectacle - but it was still cool enough and I'm impatient for the sequel.

@fendelphi

2 жыл бұрын

I see it more like a "monkey's paw" kind of deal. The visions will come true, but not always in the way you expect them to. And that is because Paul is still untrained and have not fully awakened his "sight". For instance, Chani "gives" Paul a knife, which ends up "killing him". By the end of the movie, Paul has to let go of so many thing's that made him "Paul Atredis", that he is basically a different person(The Kwisatz Haderach). Effectively, Paul Aredis died on Dune, the final act of this early transformation being the final fight with Jamis. As for the vision of Jamis, he tells him that he will teach him a lot of things. Well, he gives him the greatest lesson of all. What it takes to survive on Dune, that sacrifices have to be made and that he needs to steel his will if he and Jessica is to survive. It is also because of the death of Jamis that a lot of the Fremen comes to respect Paul almost immediately, allowing him a much smoother transition into the Fremen culture. So again, in a round-about way, the vision of Jamis becoming his "friend and ally" and "teaching him" about Dune and Fremen culture is true(although we wont really see that until part 2).

I love both movies honestly, Dune has the advantage of being the introduction to this world. 2049 had the almost impossible task of following up Bladerunner, yet somehow the director managed to do it. Both movies are impressive in their own way IMO.

@Canariofilms

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree.

@atlusavalon6745

2 жыл бұрын

You like shallow cinema.

@szattila0609

2 жыл бұрын

@@atlusavalon6745 you can surely forgive him for enjoying films he watches in his freetime.

@szattila0609

2 жыл бұрын

@@atlusavalon6745 xdddd

@oliverbanes5121

2 жыл бұрын

In don’t know what he’s on about , Blade 2049 is a masterpiece. The more I watched it the more amazing I found it .

I feel you misinterpreted the meaning of the ending here. For the entire film Paul has been struggling with accepting responsibility and frustration that his "destiny" was nonsense thrust upon him without ever asking for it, to the point of him feeling that him coming to power might cause a holy war burning down the whole galaxy. The fight with Jamis is the moment where he decides for better of for worse that he will now chose to go along with this "plan." Trying his best to subvert the worse parts of his premonitions in the same way he saw becoming friends with Jamis but now killing him instead (free will vs. determinism). That is the moment he accepts his responsibility to reshape the galaxy on his terms, not according to the bene-geyserite "plan" but using the path to his advantage.

@velianlodestone1249

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, the big "Bad" that Paul is dealing with is not a villain, but rather his own destiny - a future predetermined, which he in the end of the movie accepts by the "Proxy" of fulfilling his destiny by executing the final fight to the letter; as predicted in his visions.

@PittsburghSonido

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect explanation

@camfahn7332

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy that people saw this in the ending too.

@doomnova1946

2 жыл бұрын

@@velianlodestone1249 And what he knows is coming which was hinted at in his semi-spice trance. He is coming to grips with the fact that his destiny is to cut a bloody swath through the known universe after tossing the Emperor out on his head and killing house Harkonen. He is battling the fact that the legacy of his father's house will be stained in a planet-sized pool of blood and filled with fanatics who have the combat skill only comparable to the Sardukar with numbers that would make the Emperor blow the planet up if they knew what was going on down there and what Paul has been teaching them. While the Fremen were disorganized they were not a serious threat. When Paul organized them he created an army no one in the known universe could beat back. To the point by the start of Messiah, you say Artredis, and everyone runs and hides.

@kbg12ila

2 жыл бұрын

I also think it was the time he understood that if he doesn't go along with his terrible destiny he will have to die.

Dune 2021 was a masterpiece, and Blade Runner 2049 is still my favourite film ever, along with the original.

@ciudadanosdelcosmos

6 ай бұрын

The first one filmed with Panavision C Series Anamorphic Lenses ,and that city is miles ahead in terms of magic

I love these two films exactly for all those reasons you don't lol. I find their slow pace immersive and meditative, I don't need stuff happening all the time.

@dogoo5867

2 жыл бұрын

He does like the movies for those reason he's just saying that the average film goer wont

@SonOfSeth

2 жыл бұрын

To me those two movies were the same and left me feeling, well nothing. Hats off to technical department on all levels because it’s some of the most mindblowingly impressive visuals ever put on screen. When it comes to story though, without any real objections, I just didn’t feel it, didn’t care for characters or what happens to them. I was just appreatiative of skill of everyone involved, but that’s pretty much it. I loved Arrival and I have huge amount of respect for director, I just didn’t care at all about Dune and Blade Runner. Only thing I can offer are vague terms like It lacked soul, whatever that means.

@cameodamaneo

Жыл бұрын

Dunno how you could say he doesn't like the films for those reasons when he repeatedly praises them at every chance

@jankyyard5610

Жыл бұрын

He's just analyzing how to make money in movies using slow burner stories. But I do agree with you; we don't need stuff happening all the time. It's like movies nowadays are treating us with ADHD just to keep us from watching...a little bit insulting but we can see why.

@jackdisbury1047

Жыл бұрын

@@SonOfSeth I think in br2049 it's just very subtle. If you don't understand perfectly what's happening you'll probably miss any of the emotions

Blade Runner 2049 is a masterpiece and an incredible cinematic achievement. I'm still surprised that it did not do well at the box office

@tobyvision

2 жыл бұрын

I also loved it. Its warning of how grim our future could be is far too unsavory for a broad audience. Its depiction of technology and materialism as roads that lead only to further suffering runs hard against modern sentiment. And finally its hero being ultimately small and near powerless is just too hard a pill for most movie goers.

@damonke79

2 жыл бұрын

@@tobyvision You also forgot to mention that it has no capes or animation....

@EksaStelmere

2 жыл бұрын

We'll see how things go in 20 years. Reminder the Thing re-adaptation was a box office failure, but is now considered a classic.

@XJ0461C

2 жыл бұрын

Lack of marketing is the only reason why it did not do well.

@damonke79

2 жыл бұрын

@@XJ0461C I thought the marketing was pretty damn good. Tough to market a sequel 30 years in the making to a bunch of Gen Zers who refuse to watch anything that came out before they were born because it looks old.

Blade Runner deserved more, one of my favorite sci-fi movies.

@_GENERALIEN

2 жыл бұрын

Dude its Blade Runner 2

@The.Nasty.

2 жыл бұрын

@@_GENERALIEN dude, we know what he means. There’s only one Blade Runner being talked about here… and it’s the second one.

@_GENERALIEN

2 жыл бұрын

@@The.Nasty. I do not consider bladerunner 2 blade runner

@Juli.29

2 жыл бұрын

@@_GENERALIEN no one asked if you did

@irumakun5498

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

As I didn't read the Novel before, I really liked that the beginning of Dune was slow. So much is happening in it that I preferred it to be slow. I had time to process things. It didn't went like, this guy good - this guy bad - this good guy's power - this the fremen people. It gave me enough time to understand the people. I was not confused by who is who when watching the movie. At first it was hard to understand what's going on, but it being in a slow pace helped me understand why the Atredis were sent to Arakkis and where everyone stood in a political sence. I don't actually have a problem with the ending not having a conclusion. The movie was just meant to setup the sequels and the world building and it did it flawlessly. The sequel now can just focus on the conflicts without worrying about the characters and the backstories of them. Let's just say all the exposition, world building is done. It's now time to begin the story telling.

@Grayto

2 жыл бұрын

The book is actually MUCH faster than the movie. There is barely a scene in Caladan, and maybe 1 or 2 short chapters until the Duke is dead. But I guess the pacing makes sense for the movie. It's just that they finished Part 1 the movie, and it's not even halfway through the first book.

@Santisima_Trinidad

2 жыл бұрын

The ending of the film is sort of a midpoint in the book. But it's also a point where there is suddenly a fairly large timegap going forward, so it is technically the end of the first section. Plus, it has the excellent position of being the closing point of several story arcs, and the beginning of several others, AKA, the best point at which to cut a single movie into 2 parts.

@neurotica5461

2 жыл бұрын

I actually couldnt process it in time and had to pause it like 30 minutes in lmao

@galaxymoonlqght3732

Жыл бұрын

@@Graytono. I read the book and the Duke dies at page 196, Caladan yes is barley in the book but what you said about the Duke is false.

There is a point early on where Paul asks his dad “what danger?” And Leto replies “POLITICAL DANGER!” I kinda feel like the slowness of the first half hour was foreshadowed quite clearly. Tbh the book wasn’t very different.

I saw it twice in IMAX. It was seriously an incredible experience. The scene with all of the Sardaukar warriors in the rain was my favourite.

@seyeolajuyin

2 жыл бұрын

The weird loudspeaker guy was dope.

@mistercheetah9717

2 жыл бұрын

I love seeing them silently drop down into the ecological base… and then seeing the discarded tea cup and knowing they’re about to get a run for their money.

@elias_xp95

2 жыл бұрын

People still go to the cinema?

@braxtonwise9897

2 жыл бұрын

@@mistercheetah9717 yes! yes! I thought that was so cool, and its why dennis is my favorite director. his cinematic language is god tier

@colinmelton3815

2 жыл бұрын

Baaarum nada Dee haraa bararum Thump thump

As much as I love dune, I still prefer Blade runner over it. Dune's bigger in scale and maybe has a richer story but Blade runner is much more of a personal story and more of a character study set in dystopian future. It's also more emotional.

@evancodsworth2

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. If Dune switched those pointless Zendaya desert commercials for some good character building it would’ve been a way better movie.

@shorey40

2 жыл бұрын

I think Dune COMPLETELY missed any of its philosophical nature from the books, where BR2049 expands upon its philosophical premise... Philosophy doesn't exactly garner box office profit though... Dune "works" because it's a cliche trope. It's avatar/Pocahontas/dances with wolves/ferngully. Good guy Vs bad guy. Good guy gets saved by native love interest. Good guy sides with natives against bad guy...

@PeloquinDavid

2 жыл бұрын

I too prefer BR to Dune Part I, but that could easily change after I see Part II because that (and maybe even a third film on the second book, Dune Messiah). Both have layers upon layers of subtle symbolic meaning that make them very emotionally appealing. Indeed, this video is bizarrely oblivious to the extremely meaningful set-up (NOT found in the book) of Paul having to kill Jamis when the latter had been seen in earlier "visions of possible futures" as playing a key role in showing Paul the ways of the desert. In the end, this alternative future does not come to pass, but in a very real sense, Jamis DOES show Paul the ways of the desert. I appreciate that BR 2049 (and Dune) are not for moviegoers with a pronounced taste for paint-by-number tropes and depictions of emotion. That doesn't change the fact that Villeneuve's works will be remembered by cinephiles and influence future filmmakers for far longer than the forgettable comic-book and action-based "formula films" that dominate the blockbuster scene (for now...)

@EksaStelmere

2 жыл бұрын

Something something a story doesn't have to be "Here is problem. Fix problem."

@akushon_kamen

2 жыл бұрын

@@evancodsworth2 MAN, YESSS. THIS IS. that zendaya commercials really annoying! 2049 is way better than Dune!

The problem is the "Marvelisation" of the audience in recent years (which perhaps started even earlier with the Michael Bay Transformer films) - the expectation is nowadays of non-stop action but I personally find *that* boring and underwhelming. Without some time for reflection and a change down in pace, films turn into yawnfests of things exploding and overblown CGI, in my view. The problem is a modern audience with the attention-span of today may even find the LOTR films too long, even though they did astoundingly well back in the day. Blade Runner 2049 and Dune are both two of my favourite films of recent years precisely because they are slow, are not action-centric (although there is action in both) and because there is more of a narrative and lore. As for why Dune has done better than Blade Runner 2049 (which I also really liked, perhaps as much as Dune): let's not also forget that we're now emerging out of a Pandemic-stifled period where people are just desperate for big spectacle movies they can experience together in a huge IMAX venue, rather than streaming films at home on Netflix etc. BR2049 didn't have that as a backdrop, and it also had more competition, especially from the Marvel stable of short, snappy, action-packed films. I'm not taking anything away from the technical qualities, acting etc of Dune but Dune is what happens when you let people out of a cage.

@bgcm1995

2 жыл бұрын

I loved hereditary, dune, inception, these are the types of films I like to watch but man oh man, blade runner gets blamed for its competition and not for the fact that it was showing ambient scenes so often that it got boring. I slept through it and so did a friend a mine who IS an original blade runner fan. It's not the attention span, if a movie is good, it's good, blade runner just over did it with the long ass scenes, dune kept me on edge all the way through and I got attached to their characters. There was barely any emotion in blade runner.

@emiliotantalean8351

2 жыл бұрын

jeez I hate these snobby comments lol

@K3end0

2 жыл бұрын

@@emiliotantalean8351 Not as much as i hate bait comments ;)

@TheFatAssCat

2 жыл бұрын

Dude did not need to be 2 hours and 30 minutes. A movie can be slow without being long. Also the best scene for me was when the fleet moved to attack House Atreides from space (I love fleet battles). But goddamn it was short. So much gorgeous cinematography and set/costume/ship design were given about 4 minutes to fight. Ship engagements would have been a nice change in the action compared to the numerous melee scenes that were not particularly interesting, none of Atreides capital ships even got off the ground. We need a Battlestar Atreides where one of them escapes and helps the Fremen.

@andrew-rn9ui

2 жыл бұрын

Idk, if dune is what happens when you let people out of a cage it should have done numbers like lotr or avengers did I was honestly hoping they'd just delay it until the whole pandemic thing is over even if it took 5 years,, I was hoping dune to become the next lotr pop culture wise

Villeneuve has stated many time that he primarily made this film for his 13 year old self (and by extension, kids of that age). So it's aimed at a different market. Villeneuve knows what he's doing. If he wants to make a slow paced artistic masterpiece, he does it. If he wants to make an action packed thriller, he does it. If he wants to make an angsty teenage sci-fi messiah story he does it.

Totally neglected talking about Paul's visions of Jamis being part of his hesitation to kill him.

@ramishkhan1862

2 жыл бұрын

I too thought of that

@mrrodriguezHLP

2 жыл бұрын

I knew what was meant by this because I'm a Dune fan, even though it's not in the book. It is the additional thing shot only for the movie that ties up the ending. I also thought they should have ended on Jamis's funeral. In the book, Paul has a major moment of catharsis after the emotions of the last couple of days and really sells that he is now one of the Fremen, that he might be their Messiah, and Chani is falling in love with him.

@kevinxsavagegm

2 жыл бұрын

Filmento probably forgot that part

@toh786

2 жыл бұрын

*The meaning of life is not a mystery to solve, but a reality to experience.* *You have much to learn. And I will show the ways of the desert. Come with me.*

@tobyvision

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrrodriguezHLP Imagine how much better it would have been if the movie ended with Chani's reaction to Paul's water for the dead instead of the blatantly obvious sequel bait line she had to deliver.

I disagree on the first half being less interesting: learning about this universe and its characters was already fascinating enough without conflict. The book uses the investigation into finding the hidden traitor for extra tension (Hawat grilling Jessica, for example) but I thought the movie was doing great already without that. The second half actually felt a lot more dull because of the aimless wondering through the desert and having less focus on the characters and worldbuilding. In the book, this section was also significantly less interesting until they actually met Stilgar and the Seech. The only epic moments were the sandworm and the thopter going through the storm.

@Filmento

2 жыл бұрын

That's very well put and great insight! The thing to keep in mind though is that if you've read the book, you probably aren't part of the general moviegoing audience? Would you say? And thanks for watching!

@natek4488

2 жыл бұрын

@@Filmento I think a better comparison is with Dune 1984 by David Lynch, since both are adaptations of the same book.

@krystina662

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't read the book yet but i agree, it wasn't action per se but the worldbuilding was something, especially with such visuals and soundtrack

@dylana.9057

2 жыл бұрын

@@Filmento He said the "aimless wondering in the desert " that's not true considering they're looking for the Fremen tribe to survive the grave danger of The Harkonens. The desert part are actually the very heart of that movie imo .

@Filmento

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylana.9057 yeah that's totally true too. And in any case, there's the notion that if you watch YT videos about movies, you're not part of the "casual audience" that makes up the biggest part of a billion dollar box office. All of us YT/twitter/etc film buffs kinda live in a bubble, as sad as it is to say. We don't matter to the studios/box office nearly as much as people like my mom who goes to the theater twice a year.

The abrupt manner in which various plot lines were wrapped up in BR2049 is actually a very effective narrative tool. It delivers a gut punch, letting us know that reality is actually indifferent about the things we think are special. Instances such as K realizing he wasn't the chosen one, or the scene where the AI is unceremoniously crushed under a heel, or the main villain not receiving any punishment exemplify this. These are things that really get you on a deeper level

@webcityguymyclubb4032

Жыл бұрын

What struck me as “authentic” is that K didn’t even rate being taken in at the end … a being of no consequence or import.

I quite liked Gosling's reserved vibes in Blade Runner. imo he wasn't emotionless, his non verbal cues were just extremely subtle. It worked really well for portraying him as a robot with a glimmer of humanity shining through the cracks. In his earlier emotional scenes (eg when he finds the wooden horse) you can see his humanity battling his conditioning on his face. And when he finally breaks down and yells after realising that his memories are real, the viewer can easily see that his humanity has won. I think his demeanour and how it changes make the character more compelling.

I didn’t feel that Paul killed Jamis in the end just for killing him, because Jamis was established along the way through Paul’s visions as a possible friend and ally in a possible future. I felt it was kind of dramatic that Paul had to kill this dude who had been his theoretical friend all this time

@ravener96

2 жыл бұрын

Also, with the shield based fighting being the standard, two unshielded guys just going at it is the most precarious fighting in the movie. With the music toned down and the shots being a bit longer it showcases how paul fights when the going gets tough. At first seemingly at a disadvantage, but then quickly taking control of the fight.

@Anenome5

2 жыл бұрын

It's likely that for Paul to lead the Fremen he needed to kill Jamis. Another path could've been him simply absorbing into the Fremen and becoming one of them but not leading. Paul sacrificed Jamis and the friendship they could've had in order to use the Fremen for his revenge on the Harkonnen and the emperor.

@curtisjackson5793

2 жыл бұрын

filmento sometimes can miss entire arcs so easily...

@alexandrucomanescu1713

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and in fact the movie does a BETTER job of setting up this fight and it's importance versus the book. In the book, Jamis is literally just a random Freman. Paul has seen that he will need to fight him based on the rules of the Amtal, but he has no other connection with him. The tension in the novel comes from the fact that Paul hasn't seen the specific details of the fight, he just knows that his odds of dying are about the same to his odds of living. It's really difficult to communicate the "blind spots" in Paul's prescient powers in film form, whereas it's easy in the book. Therefore, villenueve and the creative team went a different direction with this plot point. By setting Jamis up as a mentor and friend in some of Paul's earlier visions, Paul has to shift from being a passenger in his Arc (represented by the bull motif over and over when the actions of others impacts Paul and his life or future) to a driver. Paul has to make the choice to take the life of someone that he has only seen in a positive light, and he does so to get the justice he wants for his house. He even uses a classic bull fighting move to finally slay Jamis, indicating he is taking control of his destiny! He isn't the bull being led along anymore, he's the fighter taking command. Villneuve did an amazing job adjusting this plot point from the novel, and adapting it into something that is a much better fit for the movie plot.

@helloneighbour2408

2 жыл бұрын

@@Anenome5 uh... pretty sure Jamis forced that sacrifice on Paul.

I can buy this analysis if the headline were worded to say: "Why Dune Worked to Make Money where Blade Runner 2049 Failed." Dune had a cast with bigger appeal and stronger marketing, and it's a property with somewhat greater built in appeal; which is why your previous BR analysis was likely right that the studio gave too big a budget to Blade Runner. But this has nothing to do with either movie's *artistic* merit.

@dixonhill1108

2 жыл бұрын

IT's blade runner, like seriously did this guy even watch the original film. If it was any faster paced it would of destroyed the film.

@Gadget-Walkmen

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly but the both movies are phenomenal, The New Dune is phenomenal godlike masterpiece of a movie as well as Blade Runner 2049 is JUST as much as a phenomenal masterpiece as well as the movie was a godlike experience of a film. Their both the same and extremely high quality in movies. I LOVED Dune, it was a Masterpiece. Absolute Masterpiece of a movie ! I cannot WAIT to see more! That was so phenomenal and cinematic immersive experience that I did NOT want the movie to end. I’m so hyped to see more Dune films of that caliber in the future. Amazing art too!

@jimreaper1337

2 жыл бұрын

Dude is obscure Sci-fi with a small but loyal fanbase, but it can appeal to a wider audience... Blade Runner is an obscure Sci-fi with a small loyal fanbase, that appeals to mostly them Thats the big difference between these two films and their box office outcomes

@TheHeadincharge

2 жыл бұрын

It also came out at the RIGHT TIME!!! People have been itching to go the movies and see a new epic and this is the first movie to recently deliver on it since the recent Marvel movie was mediocre. I feel like it released in such a nice window honestly.

@TheHeadincharge

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimreaper1337 Yep. A lot of people know about Dune even if if they haven’t even read the books. It also has a more marketable setting and hook. 2049 is an amazing movie, but I’m not surprised Dune did better in the box office.

I personally LOVED both. BR2049 was to me one of the best sequels of all time. It expanded upon everything in the original, from the story and themes, to the universe, and even technical things like the soundtrack and visuals. Dune was definitely great too, but you could tell he shifted for more mass appeal. And I'm fine with that, if it keeps him making movies that look and feel like they do.

The analysis of dune’s misfires on blockbuster appeal is spot on… Watched with my mom and she felt like we were waiting to watch a story that never happened

@BryanPike

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

@MonstersNotUnderTheBed

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure your mom had no clue when a scene was presenting symbolic references to the mythical Phoenix bird. This movie isn't for NPCs, but for people educated in occult mysticism.

@billy.mandalay

8 ай бұрын

​@@MonstersNotUnderTheBed🤪🤪🤪

I think it comes to genre. Blade Runner is a noir film - not a major "hollywood blockbuster". Dune is basically Game of Thrones in space. I believe both films fit their genre to a perfection: offering great world building, great action, great story. If budgets and cash flow made movies great, than Transformers should win every year

@iPyroNigma

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Although Denis tends to make his films more 'on the slow side', Dune still worked greatly.

@johnsaltfresh5946

2 жыл бұрын

@@iPyroNigma well doing a slow movie isn’t a bad thing at all

@78jaden

2 жыл бұрын

also dune came out in 2021 when we are just starting to go back to theaters dune had very little competition on release and also wasn't a sequel like blade runner

@DiamondDead

2 жыл бұрын

THIS! thank you

@elias_xp95

2 жыл бұрын

@CEO of Secularism They both have their toilet break moments.

Box Office success should not be anyone's main indicator as to determine whether a film succeeded or not. Both of these movies are true masterpieces.

@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@groot7844

2 жыл бұрын

In an artistic level, probably so. But in terms of being a blockbuster movie, box-office matters. Even if Blade Runner 2049 is a better movie than Transformers (it probably is), Transformers is better at being commercial. There are films that manage to be both artistic and commercial: Christopher Nolan films, Lord of the Rings trilogy....

@eliasbonafe9236

2 жыл бұрын

@@groot7844 I'm not sure if it is what you were trying to say so correct me If I'm wrong. If a movie is both an artistic and commercial success doesn't necessarely means it is a better movie than one who succeed just in the artistic level. Again tell me if I misunderstood your comment pls

@marcusmarcel8453

2 жыл бұрын

Try to say that when you will be spending 150 mln on making a movie

@groot7844

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliasbonafe9236 That's completely fine if you make a low-budget film. Parasite made "only" 100 million dollars at the box-office, but it's fine because its budget was mabye around 10 million dollars, so it made a profit. However, when a movie has a budget of a blockbuster movie, it needs to break-even at the box-office. That's a lot of money that the studio is risking on a film. In Blade Runner 2049's case, the movie lost WB 80 million dollars. Mabye it would've been forgiven it if brought them awards and prestige, but it "only" won in 2 Oscars of technical categories. That's great, but not enough to justify a big financial loss. Studio execs care about money, and when a big movie losses 80 million dollars, it's considered a failure.

I honestly love how k doesn't show emotions for the most part in bladerunner, it fits really well with the depressing mood of the film, as well as the depressing world the film takes place in, it makes the moment where k rages after finding out his memories are real all that more powerful, and made the entire movie even more depressing, which is such a nice depiction of a cyberpunk world.

I think the main reason Dune succeeded is, (because I think every fan of film can agree that BR2049 was a very good film) its cast. I mean, the way they advertised Zendaya in comparison to the screen time Zendaya got tells you enough. They got two of the hottest cast members of Hollywood right now to play future love interests. That already gets all the fangirls in the cinema.

@murdowurdo

Жыл бұрын

It’s great marketing, you have to respect it. I remember seeing zendaya and Timothée everywhere. They did soo many interviews and appearances together.

You're forgetting something. The fremen at the end wasn't "some random guy", he was the guy who kept appearing in Paul's visions as his friend and teacher. It's not perfect, but they did do something similar with the invented orc guy.

@Woodsaras

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously? Wow... Terrible way to showcase it then. Wasnt dramaticaly established. Formal approach

@hydra7427

2 жыл бұрын

@@Woodsaras This is a movie you need to watch twice to appreciate it, which for a three hour movie is a bit of a commitment. Still, you can't say they didn't try at all.

@danielkarkos9034

2 жыл бұрын

They just needed to acknowledge the relationship of teacher-student. It would have been enough for Paul to mention his dreams about a fremen guy to Jessica or Duncan and then let Paul visibly recognise the teacher upon meeting him, so that we as the audience can make the connection.

@Woodsaras

2 жыл бұрын

@@hydra7427 no its not that kind of a movie. Ive watched some long ass movies many times over. Here however, there is nothing. Why would i watch it a second time if the first time watching it seemed like a waste of time? Its seriously banal.

@Woodsaras

2 жыл бұрын

@@hydra7427 they didnt try at all. It was a visual masturbation and action, effects trying to distract people from the lack of actual story or emotional importance of stuff happening. Just like lots of modern blockbusters, actualy. Pow, wow, peem, paam, pew, pew, bam, bam... am.... why should i care? Because of a few pass-by lines? Formal approach to storytelling.

I really enjoyed 2049, it’s a shame it didn’t do well…

@redacted144

2 жыл бұрын

2049 is a book of a film, Dune is a film of a book

@mykhaylovarvarin9078

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, for me BR 2049 is the better one, definitely

@everythingisawesome2903

2 жыл бұрын

I think it didn't do well cause the trailer made it look like a action movie so people went into theatres thinking it would be full of action.

@redinho1994

2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it more than Dune

@mykhaylovarvarin9078

2 жыл бұрын

@@everythingisawesome2903 it was the same with Dune. It's trailers are also full of action. Guess, Hollywood marketing just forgot, how to make a trailer for something other than the action film

i love how much your editing has improved, not saying that your older videos were bad but the new ones just keep up the tempo and i love the sound effects you ad to everything. great stuff

BR 2049 is one three movies in my 900+ imdb watchlist that I rated 10. It is a masterpiece. Dune is not even close to that level of greatness. But I'm happy that Villeneuve has proven himself as an "earner" to Hollywood. Hopefully he'll be able to express his talent for years to come.

Paul killing Jamis isn't insignificant though: on top of how his first kill would undoubtedly change him ("Paul Atreides must die for the Kwisatz Haderach to rise"), it means that his visions of the future aren't set in stone (that they are only POTENTIAL futures that may completely change based on some known or unknown action on his part). And this latter point WAS set up throughout the movie - and specifically in Jamis' case, his vision had showed him that Jamis would have been his friend & guide. The fact that he was instead forced to kill him is the "big meaning" behind that scene (which you said it lacked).

@FishoD

2 жыл бұрын

And on top of that knowing the visions don’t have to happen also means that Paul could have saved Duncan Idaho somehow. Which makes his sacrifice the more painfull for Paul in retrospect the second Paul realises visions aren’t set in stone.

@MyklCarlton

2 жыл бұрын

Although Jamis' death did lead to Paul learning more about Fremen society . . .

@seandlax9

2 жыл бұрын

@@FishoD Continuing this thought, Jamis appearing as a friend would have been a future where Duncan was saved, since Duncan's presence likely would have stopped any confrontation with the Fremen.

@FishoD

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandlax9 100% absolutely. I love this connectiong.

@bilbobaggins9420

2 жыл бұрын

In the book, killing Jamis essentially makes the people of the Sietch realise Paul is Muah'dib. Then he cries over Jamis' death, which makes them love him even more, even though this is just because he doesn't have Fremen water-discipline. In the books, Chani warns Paul about Jamis liking to swap hands with the blade - they cut this line from the film, but we see Jamis swap during his final lunge, which means they either cut some of the dialogue or this was supposed to be a nod to fans of the books. This film is bad, why are people having such a boner for it?!

I appreciate the remarks on Rebecca Ferguson's acting and showing of emotion - I've seen a lot of people who love the books/84 version saying she was way over emotional. Even I thought that briefly while watching, but it was remarkable in the moment just before she steps into the room with Leto and is totally composed, so that shut me right up. I thought she was excellent.

@deuxexkane2659

2 жыл бұрын

It's a very good way to represent her thoughts when she's alone, which are very present in the book. And at the same time exemplify how the bene gesserit conditioning is: she's freaking out (understandably) the potential death of Paul if he fails the gom jabbar , but composes immediately to tell everyone out, in less than half a second. Same when she's aware of how the trap set in Arrakis is unavoidable.

@leandervr

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly. I loved the portrayal, and it really worked because too often people confuse controlling your emotions with pushing them away. Ferguson's portrayal shows that she's a deeply emotional being while being in control of them whenever it's needed.

@MilkshakeCowboy

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same thoughts like she was showing too much "emotion" to be a Bene Gesserit. Then I noticed she waited until the 2 other women walked away before crying when she was guarding the door for the box scene. Also, how she was crying walking to the Duke but her tears were gone when she stepped into the room. It was subtle and well done.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT about that ending fight scene. In the book it's established earlier on that Paui hasn't killed anybody, so this kill has more weight. it's a stronger character arc.

I made my 60 something year old mother sit through Dune. While I did have to spend a BIG chunk of the movie explaining things to her, she did seem somewhat invested in it. She kept asking when she would see a sand worm and I did hear her gasp and say “Oh, no!” when she realized that Leto was dead.

I think the final battle is good enough because Paul believes that the fremen he has to fight is someone that he will become close friends with later. The fight itself is between two people we believe will be allies but since the circumstances don't allow for that the tension is elevated and from the kill we know that any prescient powers Paul has are a gamble on how reliable they are.

@Gadget-Walkmen

2 жыл бұрын

exactly! Very well said! The final battle was one of the most immersive and my all time favorites in the movies because of how well done it is!

@Stanatak

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, I felt the same. even thou he was a new character to us, it has been established pretty well with the visions that he is/might be someone important to Paul thus making him important to story and same to us viewers. I also kinda liked the significance of "never killed a man" being instantly thrown away, showing us that Paul is kinda special and Denis kinda good director

@Gadget-Walkmen

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stanatak What? No man, just no. Denis isn’t just a “kinda good director” man, not even close. Denis Villeneuve isn’t “kinda good” in anything, Denis Villeneuve is one of the greatest film director of out time and of the 21th century because of all the phenomenal movies he’s made and created over the years and Dune is another masterpiece in the list. Also isn’t very clear that Paul isn’t “kinda special” either, it’s made clear that Paul IS special by making him the only male person born with special powers from these ominous space witches and it’s clear throughout the movie the Fremen see him as the chosen one savior to their people making him WAY more than “kinda special” just from the first killing scene. As for the whole movie itself, it’s a Masterpiece. Absolute Masterpiece! I cannot WAIT to see more! That was so phenomenal and cinematic immersive experience that I did NOT want the movie to end. I’m so hyped to see more Dune films of that caliber in the future. The movie was EXTREMELY accurate to the book and was fantastic because of it and the Denis has more than proven to be one of the greatest film directors of our time by show casing all the masterpiece movies he has put out!

@test1test219

2 жыл бұрын

If you read the books, he killed him because Paul interpreted his visions that the fremen would be key to the jihad. By killing him, Paul is testing and trying to avert his destiny. The jihad will bring upon hundreds of thousands of deaths and Paul doesn’t want to be the reason for it.

@mattyryon

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gadget-Walkmen If he was that good then over 50% of the movie wouldn't have been in slow motion

May i suggest that you missed one crucial point in the final duel between Paul and Jamis? Jamis has been established in Paul's visions as his "friend", he is kind of a mentor but actually he isn't, because he sees him in some sort of alternate future vision. Jamis is the one that gives him the advice to "go with the flow" during the storm, which is a "use the force" moment of transformation for Paul. Therefore when facing Jamis, Pauls knows that this man could be or could've been an important guide for him. But to live in this moment, to fullfill his role, to become the Kwisatz Haderach, he has to kill him. That is the power of this moment. Mind you, this was completely added in the movie! In the books, the duel with Jamis is important because it's what shows the fremen that Paul is worth to keep rather than kill, but there is no vision of Jamis in a possibile future. Then at his funeral Paul says "Jamis was my friend" to show that he appreciates what he thaught him by his dying. I think the choice that was made to show this in the movie is both coherent and compelling.

@jo_eofficial

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone already commented this. I don't know if it was actually THAT hard to catch in the film, but that scene was actually pretty impactful to people who paid attention to his visions.

@Variocom

2 жыл бұрын

This film has a lot of stuff that people might miss on a first pass. But that's ok! It's a dense book, and trying to pack it into even two parts of a film is pushing it. But villeneuve did a great job.

@haukionkannel

2 жыл бұрын

The point is that it does not mean anything to normal movie watcher! We Dune fans who knows the books inside and outside... it was good. But to normal audience this followed too much the book. Was too slow and long and it was too close to original book. Invented villain aka traitor among fremens would have been better to all non Dune fans! It was even said that Piter would have been extremely dangerous if he would have got cryssknife in the book, so it would even not have been so far of...

@StoryDoctor

2 жыл бұрын

@@Variocom You're right, on first vision i was skeptic about the result, but upon seeing it again i was able to enjoy and understand what the way it was telling the story.

@terragthegreat175

2 жыл бұрын

I always took the final fight as being the moment Paul accepts his role as the Lisan al Ghaib. He's terrified by the visions of him leading the Fremen to war earlier in the movie, but after the fight with Jamis he decides to go with them, which he knows will lead to the vision he had happening. There's the line "when you take another man's life, you take your own" during one of the visions, along with visions of him dying in the fight. I took that to mean that the old paul dies in the fight when he kills Jamis, and the paul that remains has accepted his destiny. A fitting conclusion for his arc, and a good place to end the movie.

Man your editing is fabolous, use of good memes/references but in a way that really helps to send the messege with 0% cringe, keep going!

What I love about Filmento is that he clearly loves this movie but will gladly explain what might have disappointed people like myself when watching the movie

"While it is a bummer for everyone to see Jason Momoa go out so early..." *Laughs in ghola*

@Ki_Adi_Mundi

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely...Hayted it...when Duncan died.

@davidtalon5553

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! fell sad a bit ! what can we say ! gotta stay true to the books .

@ashleywilkonson386

2 жыл бұрын

Laughs in Reddit

@adithyaananth9962

2 жыл бұрын

Aqua man has a long philosophical talk with a giant man worm

@allangarddegriss6798

2 жыл бұрын

Ghola say , I wish he would somehow come back Edit. It seem no one got the joke. Read the first word. It is not an error

I felt like the did try to do the “orc” thing with the visions of Jamis being Paul’s friend and teaching him the ways of the desert. This isn’t in the book. Then when he has to fight him, Paul expects he can spare him, and they’ll be friends. He learns the hard way that this isn’t the Fremen way. I feel that lends the fight more meaning. That worked for me. If they had ended the movie with Jamis’ funeral, this would have been more obvious. “I was a friend of Jamis. He taught me....” “He gives water to the dead!” End of movie.

@jimreaper1337

2 жыл бұрын

Whats "the Orc thing" my dude??? You need to explain that one a bit

@IGCommissar

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimreaper1337 In the video, he used the example of the Uruk Hai who kills Boromir as an example of adding something not from the source material to add meaning to the ending of Fellowship of the Ring.

@jimreaper1337

2 жыл бұрын

@@IGCommissar yeah but i don't agree with his assessment of his "Ork" thing, i was hoping you'd explain your reasonjng a bit more, other than it's not in the books I don't think Jamis and that big Ork serve the same purpose, Jamis gives Paul time to pause it's his first real big test, with much wider ramifications for the whole of humanity and the golden path laid out by Paul to move them forwards, it's not just some random knife fight with some random dude to Paul, it's his future friend & mentor which is why it was so hard for Paul to kill Jamis, but in doing so Paul now realizes he's going to have to "sacrifice" everything in order for Humanity to succeed The big Ork was just an opposing lead figure, the dark opposite to Aragorn, and there to ensure we have some tension allowing Frodo to slip away Thats why I said your gonna have to explain the "Ork thing" my dude, but in your own words not Filmento's Didn't mean to offend you or anything

@IGCommissar

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimreaper1337 oh, no worries. I just thought that the intent of adding the visions was to set up Jamis as potentially important in the sequels or something, especially for people who aren’t fans of the source material, lending more weight to his death. I really liked the addition. I wasn’t going any deeper than that, tbh.

@jimreaper1337

2 жыл бұрын

@@IGCommissar yeah it was set up in such a way as to make Jamis more important than he was, (great little twist for those who hadn't seen the 84 Dune) but also to make the point that this is bigger than just Paul and the Freman The big Ork from LOTR was always set up to be Aragons adversary, yet everyone keeps comparing Dune 2021 to LOTR and other than the open sequal baiting ending, i just don't see it Wasn't trying to start some sort of argument over Orks, just enjoying the conversations surrounding Dune is all Take care

Jamis wasn't random. He felt like a friend in the visions. Like a close friend. So the struggle wasn't just killing itself but killing a close friend to be.

How do you even find the words to present your analytical talent in a visually pleasant and comical way? Masterpiece of a commentary!

Yeah, Dune was surprisingly really good. It might have had some not so great moments but I didn't notice them during my first watch since I was way too engrossed in the story and characters.

@darktheories1758

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't really notice many on the second watch. But personally I think it means more for the story that Paul had to go through a good man to really embrace the next step as the "chosen one" rather than through an enemy. Paul killing an Enemy just wouldn't mean as much. I mean to me killing the person who killed your family wouldn't be that hard but killing an innocent man who has never wronged you. That has to be pure torture.

@kokko9507

2 жыл бұрын

Lol Dune was not surprisingly good. There were no characters. It's a trashy eugenics movie about a trashy eugenics book made by a trashy eugenics tool who shouldn't have written fiction in the first place.

@gamerstheater1187

2 жыл бұрын

read the book it's surprisingly accurate

@Hempujonsito

2 жыл бұрын

@@kokko9507 finna seethe?

@outbobthelaw2248

2 жыл бұрын

@@kokko9507 bad troll.

I don’t think the ending had to do with Paul concluding his fighting abilities but more so concluding the idea that his visions don’t always tell the future and that he still has control over his destiny hence having to kill who he thought would be his friend and actually befriending the girl who he thought was going to murder him.

@sharp7j

2 жыл бұрын

She still might murder him though. Or at least stab him. That's what makes it fun, we don't know and we want to find out.

@cheeseninja1115

2 жыл бұрын

@@sharp7j exactly! The ending sets up the very important fact that Paul's visons are unreliable, but we have seen that they can also be true with the burning of the Palm trees. With Zendaya's character being shown as both friend/love as well as enemy it puts a twist into their relationship, that it seems Paul himself knows will happen with how he looks at her when he does finally meet her.

I don't have a problem with the beginning being slow. It gave me time to get to know the characters, their relationships and why I should care about them when they're in danger.

Dune had some of the best imagery I've seen in a while, and on top of that you have Hans Zimmer doing the score, absolutely incredible. The movie itself is slow, but its a setup for the sequel, which I'm perfectly fine with if the sequel is as good as this movie

The reason it's a big deal when Paul makes his first kill is because he saw a vision of thousands dying in his name and he blamed himself for all the future deaths. By being forced to kill his rival, Paul learns that in order to survive and make sure the people he love survive, some deaths must be necessary. Now he feels more confident and more ready to accept his destiny as a Messiah figure.

@vsync

2 жыл бұрын

yepper! can't make an omelet without breaking a few billion eggs

How can you say that Jamis is just a random guy Paul kills at the end? He's omnipresent throughout the movie. He's literally the first face you see. He helps Paul survive the dust storm through a vision. Paul's killing of Jamis was a narratively significant moment, as it signaled his first step into becoming the Kwisatz Haderach.

@simonmultiverse6349

2 жыл бұрын

"Kwisatz Haderach" ??? Now you're talking German again. Alternatively, my bafflement is due to the fact that I haven't yet seen the film.

@simontaylor2525

2 жыл бұрын

@Jean Sanchez That was what we call "a joke"

@simonmultiverse6349

2 жыл бұрын

@Jean Sanchez Thanks.

@cy-one

2 жыл бұрын

@@simonmultiverse6349 FYI/sidenote: "Kwisatz Haderach" comes from the Jewish "Kefitzat Haderech" and refers to jumping a travel or shortening the route of travel (in that, it's kind of 1:1 used in Dune). Cheers, a German :P

@sharp7j

2 жыл бұрын

@@cy-one Thank you for this interesting comment. Shortening human evolution is that his purpose?

Paul's difficulty with his first kill was a little foreshadowed when he had that dream where the Fremen he would later fight and kill told him that he'd teach him the ways of the desert. This is also part of why Paul was reluctant to kill him - because he didn't understand that the way of the desert is merciless.

i really enjoyed both of these videos (abt BR and Dune). I really appreciated the slowness of the beginning of dune. it felt more necessary/measured/purposeful than the pace of BR. I found the visual details of the opening half of Dune (textiles and silhouettes and textures and landscapes and soundscapes ) to be almost overwhelming. the slowness allowed me to take it all in

"It is slow" - as if it is a bad thing, Tarkovsky being an example. Ridley's opening of Alien itself is one of the slowest and most brilliant openings in history. BL2049 failed nowhere. We are extremely lucky to have been able to experience such a movie. It is the viewers who are failing the modern cinema, not the movie makers. Money flows into what the viewers want to see.

@beinerthchitivamachado9892

2 жыл бұрын

BR2049 is better than Dune, imo. But I love both movies, don't get me wrong, I'd give Blade Runner a 9 and Dune an 8.

@michaelmayo

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, but "viewers failing modern cinema" is a bullshit argument. All art is based on communicating/creating an emotional or intellectual response to your work. Painting, sculpture, writing, music - doesn't matter. If you respond to what I've created, that's art. Doesn't matter how many people respond either (except financially). Much art didn't gain much response at the time until later; but the audience didn't "fail" the art - it was either something that didn't "speak" to them or time had to enlarge or deepen tastes. This is always the double-edged sword of art - the more personal it is, the more problematic is finding wide appeal. Moviegoers didn't "fail" BR2049, if anything DV failed them. People expected something similar to the original and instead got something very different. He made his vision of a BR story, which didn't emotionally connect with many fans of the original. It's not the duty of fans to love what an artist loves, nor is it the duty of an artist to make something fans are going to love; but DV did take a lot of money to make a story in a world that had already been set up, so it wasn't unreasonable to expect him to create something that had some of the emotional resonance of the original, and that's not what DV was interested in. He went off in his own direction. Some followed, many didn't. Such is art...

@beinerthchitivamachado9892

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmayo That paragraph is just a bunch of nonsense words, LMAO. Blade Runner 2049 is amazing, so is Villenueve. The average movie-goer nowadays is dumb af, stop frontin'.

@michaelmayo

2 жыл бұрын

@@beinerthchitivamachado9892 Challenge accepted. There's a saying in Neurolinguistic Programming that if I haven't communicated something to you, it's not your fault for not understanding, it's my fault for not framing it so you can understand. If you want people to follow you, you first have to get them to follow you emotionally, and as we all know, emotions have very little to do with intelligence. The original BR worked emotionally because even though the replicants start out as brutal killers to us, emotionally we begin to feel their anguish and desperation so that by the time Roy Batty goes "Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to live as a slave," we've gone both intellectually and emotionally over to their side. That's what really great art does, it takes you both on an emotional and intellectual trip no matter how intelligent or educated you are. It also begs the question you seem to be asking - is art only for smart people? Even Tarkovsky (who I love) and whose works are about as rarified as you can get, grounded his work in basic questions - What would you do if your dead wife - who you drove to suicide - came back to life? Or what would you want or do if you could reach a room that granted your deepest wish? Great art doesn't look down on people. It tries to find a way to connect with people, because great art tries to find and explicate the deepest emotions and ideas that connect us all. Anything else is just sheer snobbery and fake profundity.

@buriedghostlady

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmayo Hmm, i agree with everything you've said, but something doesn't stick- I'm trying to understand your point more, what do you think separates a commercial product and art? If it's based solely on the emotional/intelectual response of the audience, then the "artist" part of art, the creator, is then a craftsman trying to perfect the way that response can be created, right? Also there's way more art than artists, or everyone that creates something that connects is an artist by default? It's all p interesting

I understand what you say about the conclusion and the final fight. But for me, the set up of that one fight was kind of a different one. He is the guy that shows in Paul's vision before saying "You are going to learn the desert ways with me" in a calm and wise tone. That is why, when Paul had to kill him because of their traditions, the message was a fairly strong one. It struck me a bit hard. It's not an antagonist conclusion fight, but a plot point about who is Paul and what is his journey.

@merlaak

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. What I took from this was that Paul's visions represent truth rather than fact. Ultimately, Jamis *did* teach Paul the ways of the desert: fight for your life; kill or be killed. They were never friends, and yet he was still a mentor of sorts to Paul.

@alexarias5717

2 жыл бұрын

@@merlaak wow that's amazing

@criticalsurria6773

2 жыл бұрын

Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

@tobyvision

2 жыл бұрын

@@merlaak I thought it was also an indication that Paul's budding prescience would take him down roads that while necessary, were against his own prior nature, and would inevitably involve greater losses for himself. Pre-spice Paul might have been a friend and mentee of Jamis. Prescient Paul no longer has a choice, though it is hateful to him.

They both rocked imo. As sci-fi fans how much can we expect, lets be thankful a big studio is still at least trying

I got a ton of opinions about both movies, want to give a shout out to you for always really thinking yours through even when I don't agree 100%. You always give us something to think about, and I appreciate that. Keep it up.

I have to disagree with the video's take on the ending. We see Jamis in Paul's visions throughout the 2nd and 3rd acts working as his teacher who "shows [him] the ways of the desert". It's implied that he's practically lived a whole other life with this man he considers a very close friend. But because his visions don't always play out like he sees them, circumstances force him to take his friends life. It's not just "Paul has never killed a man", that's just the surface level take. Inside his head, Paul is in turmoil because he's trying to save this man's life, even though he really can't. It's a wonderful tragedy.

@rose4ever405

2 жыл бұрын

ok this is true, but it isn't clear to the average movie goer, who is left in confusion over the nature of paul's visions and who this guy even is. not to mention how it's something that is introduced only in the third act of the movie, and therefore doesn't really serve as an ending for the story told in the first movie.

@GoogleAccount-tg9lp

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has not read the book, Im gonna have to disagree with this. The idea that Paul doesnt want to kill him because hes seen him in his dreams is awesome, and that can work, but the movie really fails to show this. I and no one I saw the movie with picked up on that. Villanueve again was too subtle with this, not explicitly showing this. Regardless the movie was very good and I enjoyed it immensly

@hk-4886

2 жыл бұрын

I think the film did enough so a viewer could get the impression that the visions aren’t always reliable. In his conversation with the bene gesserit in the beginning Paul states that his visions aren’t always exactly true. Then he has visions of him having a fleshed out relationship with the guy he later has to fight and kill. It’s quite obvious that Paul doesn’t want to kill the guy because of the vision but when he ultimately does the audience gets the proof of his statement about his visions

@winterwolf211

2 жыл бұрын

@@rose4ever405 It was clear to me, they said his name clearly, I was the one in suspension of disbelief that they couldn't have killed Jamis because he's in the visions as a friend & mentor. Yeah I haven't read the book so that ending was gripping.

@Jonmad17

2 жыл бұрын

@@GoogleAccount-tg9lp The movie doesn't fail to show this. I understood it. Dune shouldn't have to sacrifice subtlety for clarity. If people didn't understand it, then that's on them.

You are kinda missing why arrival at dune is so genius: The whole attitude is about something gonna happen, you come out and the audience expects an ambush. They are actively building the tension, by music, by small details, by conversation, every second you are expecting that they gonna attack them, when they fly in a helicopter you expect that someone would attack them or there would be some assassination attempt, but nothing happens. The tension of this 7 min scene in the cinema was the biggest I have ever seen. This is a unique reverse use of movie cliche and actually the reason why Dune worked where BR 2049 failed. Dune is different from than average blockbuster and does not respect all the rules of screenwriting, but BR 2049 wanted to break every single rule of screenwriting.

@saphiriathebluedragonknight375

2 жыл бұрын

That is the right way to subvert expectations. When the audiences guard is up do nothing. That way you lower it. Then when they think maybe everything will be alright, that is when you hit them. Happened to me and I knew Paul's father was going to die. I just didn't know when or how.

@dradamov

2 жыл бұрын

Can say the same, when I watched the movie I got asked (as I read the book) "will they be attacked...? they will, isnt it?" because the scene was so evocative as something is about to go down. I love the fact that it unbeknowst to the viewer was a grim premonition of future events rather than immediate resolution after the built tension.

@AdrianQuark

2 жыл бұрын

Great point, I think someone could do a whole video essay on the ways Dune builds tension and foreboding through the whole first half without any traditional action or direct conflict. Even the ceremony where the Duke accepts control of Arrakis, which is totally boring on paper, manages to convey a feeling of impending doom through the music, the way the characters look at each other, and the editing.

@jordanfelt5978

2 жыл бұрын

@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 yep yep yep, I agree with this completely. That's exactly how I felt when it came down to how they were building the tension. They let it build and build and then they didn't pay it off right away. I actually loved it, it's kind of nice when movies don't always give you exactly what you already expect. It keeps it interesting.

@jordanfelt5978

2 жыл бұрын

@@AdrianQuark that's actually a great idea, why don't you make the video my guy?

Extremely entertaining and eyeopening at times. Thanks a lot!

i am binging all dune related content on youtube. this is some legit criticism and analysis. you have earned a subscriber.

They’re both incredible films but 2049 IMO is definitely better. Every single thing about it is perfect

@mupicap7927

2 жыл бұрын

YESSS

@Cinemagoer_64

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed 1000! It is a better narrative.

@r.daneel.90

2 жыл бұрын

True, it is generally better. And I would even argue that you could keep all the slow moments and story, and remove just the Jared Letho parts and replace them with a bit more action and clear exposition, and it would have won over audiences as well.

@abloodynova7625

2 жыл бұрын

I still very much enjoyed 2049 much more than Dune because it's a complete movie. As beautiful and well-made Dune was, IMO it didn't feel like a movie - it's a long, expensive act 1 to a whole movie and the rest of it is going to be on the sequel.

@seandlax9

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cinemagoer_64 I'm gonna save that comparison until we get the inevitable Dune Extended Version. I have a feeling that it'll be a Kingdom of Heaven type situation where the scenes added back in massively expand the narrative.

The significance of the final fight makes more sense if you have read the books. The Amtal challenge that Jamis invokes is a testing by combat. He doesn't believe that Paul is the Lissan Al Ghaib, the 'Voice from the Outer World', prophesied messiah of the Fremen, and he has such intense doubts that he essentially forces a trial by combat to the death upon Paul. If Jamis kills Paul, then Paul could not be the focus of the prophecies. If Paul declines the challenge, again he could not be the prophesied figure. Of course, if Paul wins and kills Jamis that will greatly strengthen his standing among the Fremen, but Jamis does not consider that outcome likely. This is part of the reason why Paul holds Jamis' hand as he dies - it is not only a gesture of compassion for a fallen adversary, but this is a huge moment of religious revelation for Jamis right at the end of his life. He now believes that Paul is the messiah (since he sees no other way by which a callow youth could best such a seasoned, skilled Fremen warrior), and by holding his hand Paul shows Jamis that he forgives Jamis' doubts, absolving him before his passing. This also plays into Paul's earlier vision of Jamis as the 'friend' who will teach him the ways of the desert. Jamis did indeed teach Paul the ways of the Fremen culture, shaped and influenced by its arid, unforgiving environment, just not in the way Paul expected and all in one, very intense and dramatic lesson. The Fremen are a harsh people shaped by their life on a harsh world. They cannot afford to make allowance for weakness and hope to survive, so strength is the most prized attribute in a leader. Disputes are settled at the edge of a crys knife, not by clever oratory. These are the core truths of who the Fremen are as a people that Paul needs to know to survive successfully among them and rise to lead them. This also shows us that Paul's visions are not a one to one highlight reel of some cosmic security camera's eye view of absolutely preordained future events - instead, many of his visions are not literal but oblique and couched in symbolism, requiring a skill at interpretation he has yet to fully master. This is also a huge character moment for Paul. While Jessica fears for Paul because Paul has never had to kill a man in a duel before, Paul was trained by some of the greatest warriors in the galaxy, was further trained by Jessica in the Bene Gesserit Weirding Way combat arts, and has precognisant visions of the fight ahead of time. He has all the advantages he needs to kill Jamis, but killing Jamis brings other consequences. This is the last chance Paul has to avert the future he saw earlier in the movie, of legions of Fremen fanatics spreading a tide of violence across the galaxy in a holy war in his name. If he lets Jamis kill him, that future never comes to pass, and if he declines the challenge, that future never comes to pass, but if he fights and kills Jamis, it is all but inevitable, since after that point his legend grows among the Fremen to such a degree that even if he dies later it will only be viewed as a martyrdom that will worsen the violence of the Fremen Jihad, not mitigate it. By choosing to accept Jamis' challenge and killing the Fremen warrior in single combat, for the first time in the movie Paul exerts full personal agency, and he does so in a manner that he knows will facilitate his religious leadership of the Fremen and help bring about his revenge on the Harkonnens and the Padasha Emperor, but that he also knows will bring forth the Fremen Jihad that will kill tens of billions of people across the galaxy. This moment may seem small, but like the first shifting of a few pebbles that triggers the landslide, it has vast and terrible repercussions. This is a pivotal moment in Paul's story, which is why it was chosen as the end of the movie - not as an action crescendo, but as an insight into Paul's character development. This event, with its full implications taken into account, shows us a different and much more morally ambiguous side of Paul's personality, a ruthlessness in him that will see him make cynical use of the myths and legends socially engineered into the Fremen by the Bene Gesserit Missionaria Protectiva to further his own agenda even though he knows that the ultimate cost will be nothing less than a galaxy wide genocidal war. It casts his entire personality in a new and very unflattering and unheroic light, which feeds back into one of the most important themes of Frank Herbert's original Dune novel - the danger inherent in charismatic leaders, and what more dangerous kind of charismatic leadership could you have than that of a manufactured messiah?

@deekyevans5235

2 жыл бұрын

one of the cornerstones of Dune is that is of terrible purpose... this haunts the atreides. They get transformed from being the good guys but not in a simple way.

@MasterGhostf

2 жыл бұрын

My only gripe is they didn't show that fully well. Maybe had jamis expressed his doubts better, maybe more violently? Decrying Paul to not be the messiah, and saying "he will strike the false prophet", or something like that. Then after the battle, we get a couple minutes of intense action seens of the upcoming jihad with cities and planets burning, fremen killing innocents on countless worlds, and then the walk in the desert with chani.

@tobyvision

2 жыл бұрын

@@MasterGhostf They tried to capture the importance of the fight, but I think it's the one important part of the movie that didn't quite work. I think if they had showed Jamis' funeral and Paul's tears, and perhaps explained what Paul was seeing and knowing in those moments it would have helped a lot.

Dunes ‘“success” is because the story is more appealing as it asks “is this man a messiah?”, where Blade Runner asks “is this man synthetic?” The former being much more palatable to the human ego

Honestly in my opinion the first half wasn't boring at all, it was extremely interesting how much they were giving you insight on how the politics kind of work and the main characters and their roles and the type of personalities they have. The different motivations of the different factions and why they do what they do. It was brilliant because it makes the world feel so real, it feels lived in and it feels like a real place, which is the same thing that some of the best fantasy series out there do. That's really what sucked me in and made me so invested in the second half of the film. Like you could really tell how close Paul was with the members of his family that died. Felt super concerned with where the lady Jessica's loyalties actually lied. I mean we do find out throughout the movie. But they set this stuff up so well in the first half and it was almost all paid off nicely later on.

Blade Runner only failed financially, although I loved Dune I preferred 2049, not every film has to follow this formula you described. 2049 was made for lovers of the original film, not for profit and I think that should be celebrated.

@nithshithhith4398

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think 2049 was made for fans of the original film because the original film was good.

@monkstone2

2 жыл бұрын

@@nithshithhith4398 well it was the same writer mate

@macisr

2 жыл бұрын

@@nithshithhith4398 How was it better, exactly?

@JollywoodJoel

2 жыл бұрын

@@nithshithhith4398 u failed more with your comment than the movie

@crowkangi

2 жыл бұрын

well said

"He arrives on Dune and there's no assassination attempt." Yeah, there doesn't have to be. It occurs a few minutes later. There's a false sense of security that the audience buys into as a result. Sorry, @Filmento, you're just wrong and shortsighted on this one.

@janosbrutyo2835

2 жыл бұрын

Yyup, that, and also the reaction of the locals both the appraisal on demand from previous Harkonnen rule, and the phrase they use hinting at the Bene Gesserete's longform plans were pretty important details at the arrival scene. But where I got irritated on the shortsighted and condescending notes is the final duel. Yeah, killing a random fremen and Paul never taking a life before are new and relatively minor stuff to bookend the film but emblematic of a much bigger point established and reinforced several times. Paul feeling inadequate and running from his destiny. Even the tent scene which Filmento later references. And Paul's statement on why they stay spells it out pretty clearly why that's a good place to roll credits.

@sashimi879

2 жыл бұрын

Dune was boring as fuck

@Sack42

2 жыл бұрын

@@sashimi879 it’s cool, you’re allowed to be wrong. I just don’t know why you’d post it publicly like this.

@rosewatersaffron8430

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I just mentioned it to my husband. If it had been any other storyteller especially of the J Abrams sort. They would have shot down the choppers on arrival to the city. That would have been so predictably boring.

@and8091

2 жыл бұрын

@@sashimi879 Watch Godzilla vs Kong. I'm sure you'll enjoy the big funny CGI monsters punching each other for an hour.

Can I just say, in the moment when you have James Cameron saying the problem with Blade Runner 2049 is that it's slow, you have the sound The Slow Mo Guys use whenever whatever they've filmed is played back in slo mo. And I just gotta say, if that was intentional (and I feel like it definitely was: the amount of editing details and easter eggs in all of your videos is insane), just like, nicely done. Like, I enjoy all your videos, but sometimes there are just these little details that are chefs kiss that makes your eyes roll back, and I dig it. Nicely done. Haha.

I love the creative ways you splice your video together especially your opening with Ryan losing it and BR 2049 might be disappointing but not 007 NTTD still takes the cake ^^

2049 is one of my favourite movies of the last decade. I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of it, for me it's a masterpiece and a better movie than Dune (although I like Dune too).

@boomborgoyari5781

2 жыл бұрын

BR2049 is slow because it's not "ghost in the shell action" kind of movie. a movie doesn't have to be fast paced to be good.

@nithshithhith4398

2 жыл бұрын

You need to watch better films.

As a complete Herbert noob raised on the MCU, _Dune_ was a fucking *blast.* Utterly adored Part One, can't wait for Part Two, and might even try to catch the new _Blade Runner,_ too.

@forickgrimaldus8301

2 жыл бұрын

Dune and Starship Troopers are the grandads of Space Oprahs from Star Wars, 40K, to Halo. From a God Emperor sitting on an eternal throne. Psychic warriors that can use magic and read minds. And the large titanic Space marines. They can be traced in these 2 books.

@RorikH

2 жыл бұрын

I loved it too, though I was disappointed to learn only a few hours before watching it that it was part 1, since it was never advertised as Dune Part 1, just Dune. Still, giving it two parts really gave it time to let the weirdness breathe and let us see the freaking awesome visuals. (Explosions and architecture both)

@ChunkzTV

2 жыл бұрын

The new blade runner is better

@tobyvision

2 жыл бұрын

If you enjoy reading Sci-Fi definitely give Dune a try. The first novel is certainly a contender for greatest Sci-Fi of all time.

I’m not familiar with either of the material. I fell asleep in the theater watching 2049. I was hooked to the screen while watching Dune, completely engaged, asking questions. I really really enjoyed it. I think the main character was more compelling, and the father/son relationship is a better emotional hook

Not sure if you missed it, but the person he fights at the end he saw in his visions teaching him about dune. The final fight changes the whole perception about his future seeing abilities showing them as possibilities rather than futures

"He's never killed a man" felt like a last minute add-in to the movie script. In the book he struggles with the fight as well, but its because he has trained his entire life to fight people with shields, so he kept getting perfectly aligned hits very quickly, but then his muscles would slow down at the last minute to penetrate a shield.... that wasn't there, allowing his opponent to escape the blow. It was this act of being an obviously better fighter, but letting his opponent get away at the last minute that made Stilgar worried Paul was a viper toying with its prey. I thought that was a decent cinematic change from the book, because that would have been difficult to explain in a movie setting. It also looks good on a screen that your hero can't just kill someone and has to struggle with that weight. But I do agree that could have been played out better in the movie with a little more setup.

@AdrianQuark

2 жыл бұрын

That exchange about Paul's hesitation to kill for the first time actually came directly from the book. It was a wise choice for the movie to focus on this emotional struggle over the technical struggle of fighting without shields, although both were present in the source material.

@nicokrasnow1851

2 жыл бұрын

It was both, Paul struggled due to the Bad habits of the Shield using, but also because it was his first time killing. I remember the miniseries also playing with first time killing thing

@janchuck576

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that Paul hesitates in killing him because He had a vision about them getting along, the vision where the Fremen says he'll teach him the ways of the desert.

@seeve2274

2 жыл бұрын

He had never killed a man. And that’s the reason he spoke out loud to the people in the book. Sure in his inner dialogue he was struggling with shield training but he never said that. So yeah they never broke continuity. And that theme is built upon in the sequel when he becomes too comfortable with killing.

@nicokrasnow1851

2 жыл бұрын

@@seeve2274 in the book the shield thing was explicit, he stroke slower due to that.

I'd say the epic scale of Dune helpled a lot. Bladerunner and Dune are both very slow paced with not much happening for several minutes each time but Dune is epic in scale, in terms of both events and visuals, while Bladerunner is more intimate and personal. Loved both anyway but I understand why someone wouldn't like it.

@ompatel8988

2 жыл бұрын

Yea the expansive cast helped.

Just a small correction, the fight with Jamis is significant because Jamis isn’t random. Although it isn’t expanded on greatly because of time but it is shown that Paul knows and befriends Jamis from his premonitions. So it’s not only the fact that he’s never killed before but he had to kill a friend.

great style video you use the memes and the joke clips perfectly and not in that off putting 2008 WatchMojo style. Nice Job!!!

Blade running 2049 is one of the best sci-fi movies ever made. Just saying…

@vivabratislava

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, the heck people say it fails

@carwashr683

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivabratislava it failed financially, but it was a great movie

@darnellleake405

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I love both movies but I think 2049 was better in my opinion.

@Archonsx

2 жыл бұрын

no it's not, it's just an empty pretty looking film

@vezax8505

2 жыл бұрын

@@Archonsx Said a random critic with no clue on internet....

I loved both Blade Runner 2049 and Dune. I already considered Dune as the best movie of this year by far. I think what made Dune successful and Blade Runner 2049 unsuccessful is that Blade Runner is a less popular franchise than Dune. And Dune is a more popular sci fi franchise than Blade Runner. But I personally prefer Blade Runner 2049

the editing here is pretty neat, nice

@Filmeto. The tension in the fight between Paul and Jamis is not that Paul has never killed a man, but that in Paul's vision Jamis had become a friend and mentor. So throughout the fight he's trying to figure out how he can turn this to-the-death duel into a recruitment pitch and get Jamis on his side. Which he has to accept that the can't

The Fremen who Paul Atreides fights at the end was one of the people in his dreams in which he was a friend to Paul. This seems to be something a lot of people missed. His mother thought it was about Paul never having killed a man, but in reality Paul was realizing that his dreams were not the future set in stone, but rather one of many possible futures. By killing this man, which seems inevitable given how many times he beats him before actually killing him, it's the first time one of his dreams don't come true. Paul is hesitating because of this realization. I think the movie could have done a better job of making this clear, but it feels like a much better ending to this first part if this is understood by the viewer. It sets up the idea, both for Paul and the audience that despite his prescient powers, the future isn't clear.

@connorlindhorst3063

2 жыл бұрын

There’s even another layer to it. Paul realises that killing Jamis is a major step towards the terrible future he saw in the tent scene. He’s conflicted because he wants to survive and get revenge but also fears the holy war he might spark by doing so. This is signified by flashes of Chani's hand and crysknife covered in blood as he finds the resolve to finish Jamis off.

@The-Man-On-The-Mountain

2 жыл бұрын

I said in another comment that the only flaw I can think of about this movie is exactly the issue with the carividence. For the people who haven't read the books, the dreams and the visions of Paul in the movie can be really confusing. I love the movie, I have watched it twice at the cinema. I love the books too, of course. But I have to opinion that if a movie doesn't explain itself and they say, "oh, but in the books...", that is a flaw. Is the only "bad" thing to me about the movie. People who didn't read the books, probably won't link Paul's visions to all the Kwisatz haderach thing. Let alone the golden path (sorry if is not the correct term in english, I read the books in spanish) and all that is yet to come and explains everything. So, in other words, I agree 100% with your comment. Other than that, Jesus Christ how I love this new Dune.

@logicrules5793

2 жыл бұрын

@@The-Man-On-The-Mountain Maybe its just my crippled brain but I for one got bogged down by all the different names and factions. Just trying to remember these complexed sounding names and who belongs to what group had me lost when the visions start and I saw the original a couple months before I saw this one. I can understand why people might not follow all of it. I had to watch it twice to fully remembered who everybody was. My friend who watches movies for a living, who had not heard any of this story before could not for the life of him understand the plot or who any of the people were. He thought the Fremen were the bad guys. I had to break it down for him scene by scene Truly think some inner monologue’s or at least a narrator of some kind setting up a scene or situation Will go along way. Like in the original the narrator explains who the Benny jezeret (forgive my spelling) are just before we had a significant scene with them and they were the main group my friend was confused about

@decimus713

2 жыл бұрын

Close, but he also falsely saw his crispy hand and chani killing him, so, he already had a FEW false visions before jamis

@TheStarForge

2 жыл бұрын

@@logicrules5793 Yes but that takes away what makes Dune, Dune... if you have someone explaining everything to you, it ruins the experience. That is what the Dune books were all about, showing, not telling. If you had a narration every time a name, or vison came up... it would ruin it. I get that it can be confusing for the general audience though... but not really anything you can do about that other then watching it multiple times.

i understood the fight scene with Paul in the end differently. we saw the Fremen guy in his visions a couple times before this scene. the visions of him helped paul and his mother survive the desert bc in them he teaches Paul the way of his people. Paul then gets confronted by him when they meet the fremen and it turnes out that that guy hates outsiders and rivals the command position. now Paul and the audience learn that his visions are never really coming true but are possibilities of how the future could look like. so the fight scene had stakes and there was conflict created, but not in an action sense, more in a doubting your own ideas and morals way which is also made worse when you learn that Paul has never killed before. here he has to kill a person he thought would be his teacher, struggling with death and doubting himself and his visions while also trying to safe his mothers and own life.

@kurtisknechtel3728

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, the Jamis fight was done so much better than what I was hoping for

@robertmares5244

2 жыл бұрын

Thought the same.

@nathanmagnuson2589

2 жыл бұрын

Things would’ve been different if Duncan hadn’t died

@KidAjax

2 жыл бұрын

Glad someone else pointed it out. Filmento missed with that part :(

@ripley7840

2 жыл бұрын

@@KidAjax yeah he completly went over all of the visions

Very good points. I think the director is a visually oriented introvert so it's hard for him to project a lot of feelings through his movies. Since the cast of Dune has major actors maybe they had enough courage to show stronger emotions with more obvious reactions. He okayed their ideas when he saw how much better their performances were.

I feel like the end fight in dune is satisfying because, its less about external conflict but conflict within Paul himself. Throughout the movie Paul is afraid of his abilities and resentful of people like Gurney and his mother for what they're making him become. By wining this fight he wins the battle within himself, accepts his role and starts to take control of his story. Very powerful and a great way to conclude the first part.

Y'know, you're not being very fair to Bladerunner 2049. It's comprised of very slow scenes, but each of them is clever in its own right. If anything, Dune didn't seek to expand on much in the genre, whereas 2049 was a really solid attempt at making a film within the genre that the original Bladerunner pioneered.

@cotacachi12

2 жыл бұрын

I mean there is a reason why bladerunner pretty much flopped and not dune. Appealing to general audiences and finding ways to create a relatable story in an almost hard tp relate to world is important. And dune pulled that off for general audiences despite being only half a story. Even though bladerunner is a technically good movie it's not a good mix of what a general audience want (normies) and want movie critics/hardcore fans want.

@IntrusiveThot420

2 жыл бұрын

@@cotacachi12 i honestly think blade runner 2049 was too smart for a lot of critics and general audiences, which is a complete shame because it's *not* that crazy deep.

@dalentces2492

2 жыл бұрын

@@IntrusiveThot420 Or, maybe, the fact it's not that deep is actually why it flopped while trying to leech on goodwill of it's predecessor.

@IntrusiveThot420

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalentces2492 original blade runner wasn't "deep" either lol, so I don't think that's it.

@mafianoodles

2 жыл бұрын

@@IntrusiveThot420 i cared about no one in blade runner 2049. The original blade runner - Roy, Pris, J F Sabastian. I could go on.

You know, you just made me realize "Endgame" needed a dance-off between Quill and Thanos...

@1satisfiedmind

2 жыл бұрын

Heheheh...

Being almost completely tied down to the major events of the book is also a minus. There were a few cases where the director was trying to have some fun with the material (the baron's wardrobe, Paul's very early mass vision, the comedy). Was very clear that his creativity was limited by source material.

Grear video, but the final fight at the end was built up throughout the whole movie. It's just that they were actually a little subtle about it. It's heavily implied and foreshadowed that the Truth Sayers setup the path they wanted him to follow, the "chosen one" story the locals believe in was setup by them. In his visions, he knew that he was supposed to lose the duel, and it's implied that he would be revived somehow, and be trained in the ways of the desert by his opponent, who would become his friend. The weight of the moment was that, rather than trusting the Truth Sayers and following the plan, he finally chose to break away from the path laid out for him, and he's begun to make his own path forward; it's also a good conclusion to his arc so far in the movie, where he was wrestling with the weight of expectations from his elders, and being forced down a path someone else chose for him.

He wasn’t betrayed by a rival house, he was betrayed by The Emperor

@rubberbandman3rd

2 жыл бұрын

And a rival house

You’ve missed the point of 2049. It’s a visual meditation; paintings that move. It has a zen pace that lulls you into that state of mind. That is exactly the point. Every bit of that film including the pacing and editing was totally intentional and to so many of us, it is the greatest film ever made. I would not, and could not improve upon it in any way whatsoever. The reason it failed financially is because it wasn’t marketed hardly at all, and not enough people knew who Villeneuve was, so the people who knew and loved the first one weren’t taking it seriously, especially since the marketing that it did receive was portraying it as an action flick.

@Anubis22774

2 жыл бұрын

@Michael Zhu The first film feels longer despite actually being shorter. It has the exact same type of pacing. 2049 just happens to be a better film.

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom

2 жыл бұрын

What? I like that movie but your reasoning sounds pretentious.

@Anubis22774

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom I’ve seen the film roughly 40 times and have studied the hell out of it because it is my favorite film of all time, so I’m pretty sure that I’m coming from a place of observation rather than pretense.

@NelsonStJames

2 жыл бұрын

@Michael Zhu The first film is considered a flop as well. Why would anyone have expected a sequel to a film that only had a cult following to begin with to be a box-office smash?

@Xornal1

2 жыл бұрын

I think you missed his argument. Its not about Blade Runner being "bad" but not a movie suitable as a "current gen" blockbuster that will earn the studio massive amounts of money.

Fun and not well known piece of trivia about that fight between Aragorn and the big ork is, the actor playing ork really smashed Aragorn's tooth out and Viggo Mortensen didn't broke the role.