Why don't electrons fall into the nucleus| Quantum mechanics| Breakthrough junior challenge 2022
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Why don't electrons fall into the nucleus? This question gave birth to a whole new field in science: Quantum mechanics. Here's my attempt at answering the question and explaining the complex, but interesting topic in 90 seconds.
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What a very short but perfectly intuitive summary, the way he talks in the video is very engaging and the different ways he explains them are easy to understand, great job man👍👍
@yasharthpandey3928
Жыл бұрын
Thanks dude 😄
This could easily win. I'm serious - I've never heard a better explanation of this topic before!
@yasharthpandey3928
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Good luck!
electron can be captured by proton and converted into neutron. plus gamma radiation - Electron capture
Excellent explanation. Clearly delivered, clears up common misconceptions, and uses the right tools to explain the situation. One question - wouldn't the quarks inside the protons and neutrons have the same amount of uncertainty? How do they stay relatively stationary - is that where the strong force enters the equation?
@naveen.v4734
9 ай бұрын
Protons and neturons do have uncertainty but that is very negligible compared to the uncertainty of electrons as they are more massive hence more momentum The strong force probably arises from gluon interaction between the two I'm not sure about uncertainty principle acting in
I thought I would never understand this but Oh My Gosh!
I really enjoyed all the cool analogies you used! Good luck!
@yasharthpandey3928
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Good luck!
This was a great explanation - you made it easy to understand! Best of luck, Yasharth :)
@yasharthpandey3928
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks you Amae! Good luck!
Brilliant video and nicely explained! Good luck mate!
@yasharthpandey3928
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Good luck!
Nice! But in a wave packet sense the probability of the electon to be very near the center of nucleus is practically zero, and this analysis takes the Fourier transform (wave length vs. wave frequency) that is at the heart of Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
@yasharthpandey3928
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes I would've liked to include a lot more information too but the time limit really didn't allow it.
@xjuhox
2 жыл бұрын
@@yasharthpandey3928 I see. Here you could add the fact that if an electron really spirals into the nucleus, then it would emit an infinitely amount of energy and that makes no sense (just like the collapse of our world makes no sense). Also, we must assume that the much heavier nucleus (proton; circa 1800 electron mass) is not moving at all in our coordicate system since otherwise we can't apply the uncertainty principle. Anyway, the minimum of classical Coulomb potential energy causes a definite location (i.e. Δx=0) and that is against the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle that is a deep law of nature. In fact, the whole quantum mechanics is based on statistical classical mechanics and uncertainty principle. Note also, the argument of the absurs speed of "5.3*10^10 m/s" is irrelevant since we are talking about a quantity that we don't know, hence the uncertainty.
Electrons can't "fall" because they are not objects. We teach this in high school, by the way. Remember your lesson on the photoelectric effect when we taught you that photons were merely small amounts of energy? Well, that's what electrons are as well.
dude u cleared my doubt in an instant! Thank you! Your teaching style is very unique!
Sir can we separate the nucleus from the atom and put it in one place?
Then how does electron capture occurs in atoms like beryllium 7, carbon 11 and other unstable nucleus with more proton than neutron yet having small nuclear size at the range of 10^-15
@lepidoptera9337
3 ай бұрын
It occurs because there is enough electromagnetic energy in these proton rich nuclei to allow the conversion of a proton to a neutron and the loss of an anti-electron neutrino. That's undergrad physics. Don't bother. The kid won't get it. ;-)
quantum mechanics really be saving the universe with those speed limits
@yasharthpandey3928
6 ай бұрын
lmao
@lepidoptera9337
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, that would be nice, but that's not even close to how it works. ;-)
Well presented, but it just made me all the more curious.
Bro could you explain the sub shell and shelk and orbital beacuse theses are winthin shell and its hard to imagine it and get proper understanding beacuse this quantum modek is different from normal one
Thank you for the explanation. But still, I have some doubts. Why can't the speed of electrons be faster than light? Secondly, why the position is not fixed? I know the heisenberg's principle but why so?
@MicrowaveOvenVideo
3 ай бұрын
Electrons have mass; therefore, they would need infinite energy to go the speed of light, let alone faster. They aren't fixed because they have energy, as does anything that exists, therefore they have motion.
Great!!!!!!!
Great video! Best of luck from a fellow competitor!! :) 😀
@yasharthpandey3928
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Good luck!
Sir can you explain again why it should be faster than the speed of light? I couldn't understand
@karadegautam7508
Жыл бұрын
When you use the heisenberg's uncertainty principle to find out the speed of the electron in a nucleus you will find that, its speed will be far greater than the speed of light. If its speed is greater than the speed of light, then it is breaking the laws of nature
An electron revolving around proton produces some field... This field should repel other electrons around it. But no of protons decides thr no of electrons... And as a result the distance of electrons in the outer shell vecoms very large... where the force of proton dosent exists..... So Actually there are invisible forces which binds the lectons and protons together. What are these firces.
@Zed-zh4by
10 күн бұрын
Aren't electromagnetic force infinite ?
@viveksinghchauhanbikingsin1425
9 күн бұрын
@@Zed-zh4by yet another hypothitical thinking.
good
Am I supposed to write this in 1 mark question in my chemistry paper ?
@lepidoptera9337
3 ай бұрын
If you do and your teacher knows physics, then he will fail you. It's the wrong answer. ;-)
You just got an F in undergrad physics. The uncertainty relation is NOT the reason why atoms are stable. Lepton number conservation and the fact that neutrons are heavier than protons are the reasons. Next time please try to learn from a professional physics textbook instead of the internet. Pretty much everything you have seen about physics on the internet is either 100% false or borderline false.
@Conan776
2 ай бұрын
I was going to believe this comment, but then I realized it, too, is on the Internet. And now I don't know what to believe!
@lepidoptera9337
2 ай бұрын
@@Conan776 Nature, kid. You always believe nature. Oh, wait... for that you have to study physics for half a dozen to a dozen years and then you have to start working in a lab. That's what I did,. ;-)
Interesting but the explanation still hides behind the math, statistics in this case. I so agree that the electron can collapse only so far until the physical barrier created by the nucleus prevents the electron from going any further. So where does the electron go? It probably gets bounced back somewhere on a stable orbital. It’s specific location can only be guessed at via statistics. If there are too many electrons in a given orbital, the electrons become a barrier to each other and hence another orbital is required.
I did not get it so you said that the elctron must be so small than it has to run faster than speed or ligth?
@yasharthpandey3928
Жыл бұрын
It can't be in the nucleus because then we would know almost exactly where it is. And according to Heisenbergs principle, if we know almost exactly where it is, its momentum will be close to infinity (which is impossible).
@elizabethreyna8354
Жыл бұрын
@@yasharthpandey3928 so if its position is the size of the nucleous its momebtum will be higher than speed of light?
@yasharthpandey3928
Жыл бұрын
@@elizabethreyna8354 exactly
@elizabethreyna8354
Жыл бұрын
@@yasharthpandey3928 thanks
Isn't an electron moving at the velocity of light ?
@yasharthpandey3928
6 ай бұрын
Nope! Because their mass is non-zero, they can't move at the speed of light.
@lepidoptera9337
3 ай бұрын
Electrons aren't moving at all, but you would have to pay close attention in quantum mechanics to understand why. ;-)
Make more videos bro.
oh i get. The electrons get an error window before entering the nucleus.
@pakarpintu4917
Ай бұрын
Cool
So, I understand that physics professors haven't solved this questîn yet?
He speaks like "Science Asylum"😂 Nice, bro...
So you're saying that because it violates the Heisenberg principle , so it can't fall. That's not an acceptable answer. Just assume for a second that the Heisenberg principle is wrong . Now ask how we will explain this phenomenon now without the Heisenberg principle.
@starfirenuclear
Жыл бұрын
your statement is not scientific at all. Your assumsion is that Heisenberg principle could wrong. Science is about explanation of natural phenomenon. You did not explain the mechanism of how Heisenberg principle could be wrong. So if you want to bring any possibility of this video is wrong, then first you must bring your hard piece of work that prove Heisenberg principle "could" wrong. Just bringing "what if" without any supporting it's background is not science. It's philosophy. And your supporting statement of your "what if" should be with metric. then your statement can be scientific.
@sasca854
Жыл бұрын
Heisenberg didn't just pull the exclusion principle out of his ass; there is a sound physical and mathematical basis for it. Here is a simplified proof of it: www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4604/fall18/uncertaintyproof.pdf To just "assume" it is wrong would require you to also assume that dozens of other tenets of QM that led to it are also wrong. Explaining all of the aforementioned things, either assuming they're wrong or right, would be well outside the scope of this video. So, yes, using the exclusion principle as a postulate in this video is an acceptable answer, because it expects that you have an understanding of what the principle is and _why_ it exists.
@karadegautam7508
Жыл бұрын
Bro heisenberg's principle here is just used to know the speed and it isn't violating the principle it is violating the laws of nature as nothing can go faster than speed of light if it does it would require infinite energy. And heisenberg's principle is absolutely correct.
You basically said the math model dosent work when it does that which is a terrible argument
Pandey ji your American accent is - ....... Speak in Indian bro 😂
Indian American
Ok nicolas Tesla
Not a bad video but skips over obvious problems
@lepidoptera9337
3 ай бұрын
Like that it's the wrong answer? ;-)
@hosoiarchives4858
3 ай бұрын
@@lepidoptera9337 yeah I just rewatched it, it’s bad
Bhai Hindi m bhi smja de
@karadegautam7508
Жыл бұрын
Bhai agar ek electron nucleus mei gir Jaye to kya hoga iss video ka topic hai aur vo ye Bata raha he ki agar electron nucleus mei gir Jaye to uska speed light se bhi jyada hoga, agar aisa hua to vo prakruti ke virudh hai kyuki aisa hoga to usse infinite energy chahiye hogi and infinite energy vo kaha se layega. Is like electron nucleus mei nahi rehta aur nahi girta
@Arvind_Trivesh_
Жыл бұрын
@@karadegautam7508 thankyou so much bhai...❤️
@farhanullah3887
6 ай бұрын
Agr elctron nucleus me chala jaye to kya ye possible ni k rest py aa jaye tab bhi to heisenberg uncertainty principal lagu ni hoga?
Tu indian he
Can you speak English in your original voice so that students can understand it ???
@punkoffunk
5 ай бұрын
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