nailed it

This is such a lazy critique of moral relativism. Not only is there a false equivocation going on, but a concept is being held to account for the supposed inconsistencies of some who claim to be moral relativists. What is missed, from this critique is a deeper understanding of what individual morality can look like. It is falsely assumed that moral relativists must accept the morality of others, but that is simply not the case. Moral relativism is a belief about how morality plays out, not one's approach to it.

@georgedoyle2487

Жыл бұрын

“About how morality plays out” Sorry but the claim that relativism, that is moral subjectivism is just about how “morality plays out” is nothing more substantive than prevarication and equivocation!! When our pride usurps Truth we walk on the shifting sands of relativism, a narcissist and ego driven reality!! Equally, the statement “there is not one standard of objective morality”, that is the statement there is not one standard of “Truth” or the statement that “all Truth and morality is relative and subjective” is ironically presented as one universal absolute standard of (objective morality and Truth). Thus it’s logical converse objective morality and Truth exists including an ultimate ontological ground of Truth, that is the absolute ontological ground of value!! The fact is that relativism, that is a strictly reductive, materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism reduces every element of absoluteness to relativity, that is it reduces morality and Truth itself to arbitrary, ad hoc gibberish while making a completely illogical exception in favor of this reduction itself. It’s a question begging fallacy and a special pleading fallacy of the highest degree lol!! The fact is that it consists in asserting the claim that there is no absolute “Truth” as if this were absolute “Truth” itself? Oblivious to the irony of declaring it to be “absolutely” True that there is nothing but the relatively True!! It’s synonymous with saying that there is no language or writing that there is no writing!! Its synonymous with claiming that what you were ultimately “meaning” to say is that there is no ultimate “meaning”. In fact, every idea is reduced to relativity, whether psychological, historical, or social; but the assertion undermines itself by the fact that it too presents itself as a psychological, historical, or social relativity. The assertion clearly contradicts itself if it is “true” and by contradicting itself logically proves thereby that it is totally false and is an atheistic nihilistic fantasy. Its first absurdity lies in the fact that it is a logical fallacy, a (Special Pleading Fallacy). An implicit claim to be unique in escaping, as if by magic, from a relativity that is declared to be the only “absolute” possibility. It’s like believing that if you just screamed loud enough “there is no such thing as sound”!! then sound will cease to exist!! Everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, nihilistic, fatalistic and self refuting…. “We should challenge the relativism that tells us there is no right or wrong, when every instinct of our mind knows it is not so, and is a mere excuse to allow us to indulge in what we believe we can get away with. A world without values quickly becomes a world without value.” (Johnathan Sacks). Sorry but the person who actually claims that “there is no such thing as Truth”, or that all morality and Truth is 'merely relative,' that is just arbitrary subjective preference, arbitrary subjective taste, just an arbitrary social construct, just arbitrary cultural relativism, that is as arbitrary as the fact that we evolved five fingers instead of six, that person is asking you not to believe him. So don’t!! Deconstruction deconstructs itself, and disappears up its own behind, leaving only a disembodied smile and a faint smell of sulphur. As I pointed out already when our pride usurps Truth we walk on the shifting sands of relativism, a narcissist and ego driven reality!!

@peterg418

15 күн бұрын

Moral Relativism is not self-defeating. One could admit to relativism and be a moral imperialist, trying to get others to sign on to their preferences.

@Chidds

14 күн бұрын

@@georgedoyle2487 Seeing this now, I do wonder why it is missing a response. Perhaps it is because it veers wildly off on a tangent, but more likely because I somehow missed it. Nowhere did I even imply the notion of relative truth. Relative morality does not necessitate relative truth. The two are often packaged together to erect a strawman that one can bash. And bash you have.

@georgedoyle2487

11 күн бұрын

@@Chidds * “The two are often packaged together” SMOKESCREEN!! Listening to triggered atheists projecting and pontificating about absolute “TRUTH” whilst subscribing to the belief that we are all ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS A.PES WHO SHARE HALF THEIR DNA WITH A POTATO IS PRICELESS!! Moreover, listening to strictly reductive materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists proselytising and preaching about “RELATIVE MORALITY” whilst subscribing to the belief that we are all nothing more substantive than ultimately meaningless HOLLOW AND SOULLESS OVERGROWN AMOEBAS WITH ILLUSIONS OF GRANDEUR is as entertaining as watching someone trying to thrash the front of his car with the branch of a tree in order to beat it into submission! It's very Basil Fawlty like at times!! But without the comedy value. CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!

@georgedoyle2487

11 күн бұрын

@@Chidds “ “The two are often packaged together” SMOKESCREEN!! Listening to triggered atheists projecting and pontificating about absolute “TRUTH” whilst subscribing to the belief that we are all ULTIMATELY MEANINGLESS, HOLLOW AND SOULLESS A.PES WHO SHARE HALF THEIR DNA WITH A POTATO IS PRICELESS!! Moreover, listening to strictly reductive materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists proselytising and preaching about “RELATIVE MORALITY” whilst subscribing to the belief that we are all nothing more substantive than ultimately meaningless HOLLOW AND SOULLESS OVERGROWN AMOEBAS WITH ILLUSIONS OF GRANDEUR is as entertaining as watching someone trying to thrash the front of his car with the branch of a tree in order to beat it into submission! It's very Basil Fawlty like at times!! But without the comedy value. CRINGE ATHEISM in full effect!!