“Eldrazi are too oppressive” ~The urza player locking the entire game down with winter orb

@joelanderson5285

19 күн бұрын

Yes, good decks have nothing to fear from eldrazi.

As an Eldrazi enjoyer I can understand why people are afraid of them, but they're far from the scariest thing in commander

@swawslord

18 күн бұрын

Yep. It's just Eldrazi Winter PTSD. Kaalia and the God of Fright exist. Oh yeah don't get me started on power creep.

@stephangg000

18 күн бұрын

eldrazi are only spooky in extremely casual tables. They simply are too slow and durdley to win when they should. Yes you probably delete one player from the game but then get progressively annihilated yourself and that's ASSUMING you even get to cast those splashy spells without being counter spelled or interacted with. they're super cool, very flavorful and even salt inducing. But powerful and terrifying? nah. no way. Zuludholk, ulalek and Azlask definitely make them more playable but they still don't stop you from being interacted with to death.

@ML-yn9yu

12 күн бұрын

Agreed. The new Ulamog and Emrakul are harder to deal with (expecailly Emrakul). But at that mana cost, it should be a game ending card if you dont have an answer for it. That goes for any deck

The way I see the Eldrazi is that they were meant to be like Raid Bosses, where everyone plays for themselves during the early game before being forced to team up to defeat the big threat once it arrives. In Lore it took several Planeswalker to beat a single Titan, so they tried to simulate that.

@Ruined_Vigil

4 күн бұрын

I love this analogy so much and it's why I love playing Eldrazis so much!

I always love how the "they have powerful cast triggers" argument always comes up as a way of arguing for the titans being stronger and harder to interact with, which is at least partly true. It is harder to interact with those effects and kinda makes it so that even if they get countered, the eldrazi player gets some payoff after the massive mana investment. But trust me, it is more of a limiter than an advantage. You wouldn't want the blink or sacrifice-reanimator players to have access to those effects as ETBs....

the reason Aeon's torn was banned was because it was all generic mana and early commander was much less powerful so anyone that owned one ran it because even without ramp games would go long enough to afford the steep cost. I'm a firm believer that it could be unbanned in today's meta and make little to no real impact on the balance of things.

@commanderdeadhead812

4 күн бұрын

the main problem is 2 abilities take an extra turn and can't be countered that keep it banned and with ulalek being five color a lot of black spells can cheat her out

The problem with Eldrazi is that they’re bigger green creatures with worse ramp. And they do similar things/have similar play styles. They both ramp into their big splashy spells way before they’re meant to be played, leading to oppressive gameplay. The creatures are big and with annihilator they cause salt whenever they do swing in bc it usually means you’re sacrificing your lands or best stuff at some point. They have custom board wipes, (ugin’s binding, all is dust, Ugin the Uneffable, etc) that are essentially all one-sided, not to mention exile. There’s literally only 2 colors that can escape exile effects that don’t target: white and blue. So every other color is super vulnerable to their wipes/annihilator triggers. Then bc of all the ramp, they essentially can rebuild very easily. And now with access to other colors, land destruction is going to be the only thing they’re particularly vulnerable against. So they’re a pain to deal with early bc their creatures are beefy, they ramp fast and hard, they bounce back easily, their spells and triggers are hard to deal with, and they have tons of support. It’s like Slivers in the sense they also snowball out of control, especially with the new commanders post Zhuladok. 2:00

@PensFan96

19 күн бұрын

Tldr: "Eldrazi aren't really that strong, I'm just salty"

@dimitriid

19 күн бұрын

This is exactly what I was thinking myself (Wrote it on another post below): Eldrazi are just an easier-to-pilot version of Green tactics since you don't get the ramp but you get most of the stuff you need to win on a single card you can usually name as your commander: I ramp, I keep trying to cast my commander and I eventually win when people run out of answers.

@jcstaff1007

19 күн бұрын

@@PensFan96 i mostly play decks that can dodge farewell so their wipes being the most problematic thing aren’t as big for me. I personally don’t care much about eldrazi being at the table. But they are objectively a threat if unchecked.

I pulled all 3 titans in my box and decided I had to play them. I’ve never really had an opportunity to use eldrazi before. I enjoyed it

I don't think they are, they're the same as plenty of decks that attempt to overwhelm the board with threats and sheer value, much the same as The Ur Dragon. It's just important to remember that you'll likely be playing Archenemy if you run it

THEY FEAR THE BIG NUMBERS AND ANNIHILATOR.

My group are mostly precon (with some upgrades) players and sometimes we pool our decks together and create a randomized battle night. We got one Eldrazi deck in our group and the one who pulled that usually got curb stomped to death 😂 “You’re the raid boss and you must be put down fast”

The first Magic deck I ever built was some Eldrazi kitchen table nonsense with All is Dust being misplayed to destroy lands and looped with Panoptic Mirror, a full playset of Sol Rings, and the end game was 16 mana infinite turns with Erratic Portal and Emrakul. It was simultaneously the most glorious thing I've ever seen and an absolute dumpster fire. I'm definitely going to enjoy Ulalek as an actually structured Eldrazi deck.

Casual edh players don't often have enough interaction to deal with a bunch of eldrazi. Not to mention the issue of the eldrazi decks being a bunch of ramp ramp ramp that requires a vandalblast or similar. If you have that the overextended Eldrazi deck does nothing if you don't you have a sliver situation where you drown in the advantage the deck gives from the fact that 80-90% of eldrazi are big payoffs

When the Eldrazi was first printed I quit Magic because I didn't like the direction the game was going in. After commander became popular I came back and I honestly don't mind the Eldrazi anymore

I always explain that I need to actually cast my spells for the best value. So many other decks can just cheat things out and get full value. Even annihilator feels bad against all the tokens and such flooding the board nowadays

I've never really hated Eldrazi - if someone turns up to play with a spaghetti monster as a Commander, you know what's going to happen. Play faster combo decks or keep up interaction. As per always, it's all about the rule zero conversation and ensuring you know what you're up against. People get salty with Eldrazi when they magically appear from a deck that hasn't mentioned it from the start.

People hate anything strong, lol.

To this day people will defend that the original Emrakul should remain banned. Being completely honest, it is not hard for these decks to get to 15 mana if not infinite mana. Emrakul is a game ended in almost every format it is legal in. I don't think that Emrakul is so broken he cannot be unbanned, but It is still immune to most removal and board wipes paired with an extra turn on cast that can now be copied into the dirt. To say it isn't a very powerful card isn't true, but if the RC was consistently banning cards, like half of the current format wouldn't exist and some of these new commander cards would get pre-banned.

The only one I despise is that Kozilek 2.0 that discards cards to counter spells... because unlike the other ones, this one stops my answers against it from resolving. Maybe Void Winnower too, but this one can't be a commander, so I'm less worried about it.

@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant

3 күн бұрын

That's the only one I never run because having a spell that cost specifically X to counter target spell that cost specifically X is so extremely situational.

I use a Rakdos lord of riots eldrazi tribal deck and while it’s very strong in about half the times I win if others players used a bit of removal it would be over for me as I’ve already shown my hand and that I’m indeed in a position to win of course stronger decks can now be made with the new set but what I usually win from is either sarhkans unsealing or I have a turn to wait for until I can attack with my big creatures

If they weren't liked they wouldn't be so expensive

2:55 the Storm Scale is just for Standard sets 😉

Eldrazi deck are best sellers. Nobody hate them. People hate stax and 1 turn win decks.

Adorable. Living cuttonball : )

Meanwhile as a sliver main, I proceeded to build both a simic cascade eldrazi and a wubrg devoid scion/spawn horde that mimic both aspects of the 2 most popular sliver builds. XD

imo eldrazi are high power decks that are hard to beat for casual power decks even if all three players put themselves together. so the solution would be to just play high power decks yourself. same goes for slivers, enchatress, landfall, artifacts, aristocrats and a lot more decks that in one or another way bend the rule 0 in to a grey area. just that some of them actually can be tuned down and also play in casual tables but that also means strong restrictions (that are for some hard to hold onto them)

@Bladezeromus

19 күн бұрын

I don't agree. Eldrazi, Enchantress, and Slivers are mid power decks that seem powerful, but only in casual pods where removal is frowned upon.

@ashole6226

19 күн бұрын

Disagree, if the Eldrazi player is colorless, they have almost no interaction. You destroy all their rocks in the early game and they are doing nothing for the rest of the game. You also mentioned like a ton of archetypes that are just not overpowered. You must be in a group that doesn’t play a lot of interaction.

Eldrazi were just the height of MtG power creep.

It’s tough to interact with. Cast triggers, annihilator, they make tokens that fix & ramp their mana, exiling 1/2 my deck, cascade, “cant cast spells of even/odd mana” its more of a nuisance to try to deal with.

Couple board wipes and they be crying

Maybe my deck just sucks but I feel like eldrazi are kinda easy to outcheese

Mono White lifegain + Eldrazi

I feel like the only people who don't like Eldrazi don't actually understand how to play the game effectively, especially the mono colorless ones. If you're just using them as a top end to a simic ramp deck or something then I guess they could be annoying? But they're still less powerful than the usualy top end of green or blue imo, lol. Extra turn spells or just the crazy green payoffs like genesis wave are a lot scarier since they're more difficult to deal with when it comes to removal, or even board wipes. #UnbanEmrakul

I think people hate them because everyone thinks they’re going to hit the board extremely early (CEDh style) and utterly dominate. As someone who’s played both The 5 colour and Colourless Eldrazi decks, this is total bogus. Unless you’re going full CEDH, You are unlikely to dominate every single game.

@swawslord

18 күн бұрын

Especially with the built in auto target.

@Nephalem2002

20 сағат бұрын

@@swawslordLiterally this!

Here´s my issue: Is not that Eldrazi decks are too powerful, as other people mention A LOT of mtg decks and wincons are as powerful if not more powerful. The issue is that it's far too easy to pilot when you compare it to other strategies: I think of Eldrazi decks as an easier version of Mono-Green and/or Gruul: You ramp, you cast big creatures, you turn them sideways and you win. Except with Mono-Green/Gruul you actually have to pilot the deck a lot more to overcome some of the obstacles your opponents might put up as roadblocks to slow you down or even stop you outright. With stuff like Anihilator, Extra Turns, Massive mill, etc. It's just very simple to ramp a lot and keep trying to successfully cast and attack with a Big Eldrazi that will pretty much just brute force your way into winning: You don't have to pick your battles, overcome numbers, overcome interaction and removal through different tactics or different means, your big Eldrazi already has a lot of those things built into so you can just focus on very few tactics without really having to do much about it. The silver lining is that I actually think that if they had WUBRG as a requirement (And not just an option) then it would require at least some more thinking in regards to your mana base, your ramp options, your interaction, etc. The MH3 WUBRG Eldrazi are not enough but a step in the right direction so I do hope there can be seen as slightly more 'fair' for players so it's at least not an automatic case of 'You put ramp rocks and keep trying to cast your commander and eventually just win when you succeed' like it is for a lot of the past and some of the new Eldrazi big cards.

@swawslord

18 күн бұрын

I disagree, Eldrazi is a patience game, yeah ramp ramp ramp yadadada. We run a deficit until we are 5 turns in. You have to think about your mana base, you have specific requirements for your removal.

Definitely not oppressive, watch most gameplays it probably struggles the most to get going.

As an eldrazi player, I hate the pushed new stuff.

@victorperezurbano9504

18 күн бұрын

You were perfectly ok playing the pushed old stuff though, so I don't know if your opinion should count for anything

@AlimTetramorph

18 күн бұрын

@@victorperezurbano9504 I don't play anything with annihilator or overly broken. My eldrazi deck is a casual one. Stfu if you have no idea what you are talking about.

@victorperezurbano9504

18 күн бұрын

@@AlimTetramorph so you play eldrazi but you don't play anything broken or with annihilator? Wtf are you playing then? How was I supposed to know you only play bad eldrazi? Your comment was straightt stupid because eldrazi have always been pushed, if you managed to create the worse eldrazi deck ever that's another very different thing.

@AlimTetramorph

18 күн бұрын

@@victorperezurbano9504 as I said, stfu if you have no idea what you are talking about.

@ML-yn9yu

12 күн бұрын

@@victorperezurbano9504 Yeah, if you dont play the good eldrazi, whats to point of playing them. I def picked up the new tentacle mommy and Ulamog.

No, we're still banning Slivers AND eldrazi on casual Thursdays. And if the guy trying to win the game isn't trying to put down the eldrazi player , then was he actually trying to win?

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