Thank you for making this video. China has always been a country and prosperity and tragedy. The Qing dynasty were not kind to the ethnically Han, the KMT were no saints either and the CCP that replaced them didn't have a very high bar to clear... History is never black and white, it is grey and oddly shaped.

@andyxyz01

Ай бұрын

It is not accurate to say that the Qing were "not kind" to Han Chinese. It is true that discrimination occurred, including the Willow Palisade and the Queue Order, but Han Chinese were given certain privileges by the Manchu. 1. Aristocratic and military ranks, silver, horses, and official positions were given to Han Chinese defectors like Zhang Cunren, Sun Dingliao, Liu Wu, Liu Liangchen, Zu Zehong, Zu Zepu, Zu Kufa and Zu Zerun. In fact, some generals like Li Yongfang enjoyed higher status in the Qing than in the Ming. 2. Han Chinese generals who defected to the Manchus were often given women from the imperial Aisin-Gioro family in marriage. Manchu Aisin-Gioro princesses were also married to Han Chinese officials' sons. The Manchu leader Nurhaci married one of his granddaughters (Abatai's daughter) to the Ming general Li Yongfang after he surrendered Fushun in Liaoning to the Manchus in 1618. The offspring of Li Yongfang received the "Third Class Baron" title. Li Yongfang was the great-great-great-grandfather of Li Shiyao. The 4th daughter of Kangxi was wedded to Sun Cheng'en, son of the Han Chinese Sun Sike. Other Aisin-Gioro women married the sons of the Han Chinese generals Geng Jimao, Shang Kexi, and Wu Sangui. Meanwhile, the ordinary soldiers who defected were often given non-royal Manchu women as wives, and a mass marriage of Han Chinese officers and officials to Manchu women numbering 1,000 couples was arranged by Prince Yoto and Khan Hong Taiji in 1632 to promote harmony between the two ethnic groups. 3. Hong Taiji was encouraged by Han Chinese to become the emperor of China, including Ning Wanwo, Fan Wencheng, Ma Guozhu，Zu Kefa，Shen Peirui，and Zhang Wenheng. 4. The Qing dynasty portrayed themselves as “avenging” the death of the Han Chinese Emperor Chongzhen of Ming at the hands of the rebels in order to gain support of the Han Chinese who were loyal to the Ming. 5. Arguably most importantly, the Qing dynasty supported Confucianism, which many Chinese consider of paramount importance. 6. Because of many of the above factors, the Qing army that advanced upon the Ming capital at Beijing was comprised of MORE HANS THAN MANCHUS. TLDR: Manchus treated the Hans in a brotherly way on many occasions, to the point that the Ming-Qing transition was largely undertaken under the support of the Han.

Unlike the United States, Britain and every other great power, modern China has risen to such heights through largely peaceful, non imperialist, non colonialist means. This is unprecedented in human history.

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

Tell that to the Uyghurs, Tibetans, Indians (circa 1960's to even today), Hong Kongers, or even the Vietnamese in the 1970s, post-Fall of Saigon...

@dogsand77

29 күн бұрын

@@aslouie tell that to those countires invaded by britain and america let me see 7 million dead in vietnam , 3 mill dead in iraq etc

Because it happened so recently. Some of my friends’ grandparents have no brothers or sisters. A family of 10 reduced to 1 by the Japanese. The wounds are still fresh. If something like this happened to your country, you’d feel the same: never again.

@mimorisenpai8540

Ай бұрын

Century of Humiliation kinda stop China from being super power in east.

@Target-zo7fb

Ай бұрын

80 years have passed and 3 new generations have been born, the wounds shouldn’t be fresh! It remains fresh because your government keeps feeding you with hatred and setting a daily reminder. Nowhere else in the world, such wounds are purposely kept fresh through 3+ generations like in China because people move on. Generational revenge has been in your culture and beliefs since ancient time. Just look at your TV dramas, all of them are written around a common theme: seeking revenge through generations! 😂

@Miguel-ly4bm

Ай бұрын

Yeah...... Nothing about the Communist social movements

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

Then again, how is it that China can have such animosity against Japan--BUT yet, hardly any for the Manchus and the Mongolians prior? Are the latter 2 just as much as a cruel, dictatorial imperial power, that illegally conquered an indigenous nation of self-determination? Otherwise, WW2 China should've been renamed & whitewashed as just another continuation of '5000 years of rich history/cultural excellence'--UNDER the 'Nippon Dynasty' (much in the same way the Mongol Empire was renamed, the 'Yuan Dynasty,' or the Manchu Empire as the 'Qing Dynasty.' 'Kinda makes you wonder--AT least until you come across the dirty little secret behind the narrative of China's so-called, rich history; the so-called Han Chinese let themselves be conquered--just so in the longer run, rebel AND even conquer the nation that conquered them prior, hence artificially expand the Han empire via 'Sinofication.'

@ethanchan7509

Ай бұрын

@@aslouie It's simple - those events happened much further back. Right at the end of the Yuan and Qing Dynasties, there was a considerable amount of anti-Mongol/Manchu sentiment - it just fizzled out over the years. For comparison, the Mongols invaded Poland as well, but you don't see Poles hating on Mongols either.

The Chinese during the Century of Humiliation were already 200+ years under humiliation from a foreign power: Manchuria.

@kianhowyoa5526

Ай бұрын

Yes, exactly,, but people can't say that as Manchuria and Manchurians are part of the Chinese nation

@davidjacobs8558

Ай бұрын

@@kianhowyoa5526 Manchu people share the same ancestors with Koreans.

@waixingren4198

Ай бұрын

Yes, becasue chinese twist history, they"cannot" be humilated by those who are "only" one of their ethinc minorities.

@jacku8304

Ай бұрын

@@davidjacobs8558 A large portion of Korea was under direct rule of the Chinese empire during the Han and Yuan period. During the Ming dynasty, Korea was a cooperative tributary. When Korea was invaded by Japan, China sent its soldier to expel the invading Japanese. Toyotomi Hideyoshi on learning of its defeat, died and all its forces returned to Japan. As a loyal tributary of the Ming, Korea was not friendly to their anti-Ming neighbours, the Manchus. As the weaken Ming was unable to fight the Manchus and China changed it dynasty to Qing. In 1894-95 Japan fought a war against Manchu/Qing over the control of Korea. The Manchus lost the war and it was when Japan demanded China hand over the sovereignty of Korea to them. Korea since the Goguryeo Kingdom have been a tributary state of the Chinese empire until 1895. Then Japan annexed it from China. Thus Korea became the colony of Japan. The Chinese overthrew the Manchus in 1911.

@pallaschiron

Ай бұрын

the Chinese people wouldn't normally call the land "Manchuria". It will most likely be "North-eastern provinces".

China began to fall behind in the 16th century. Science and technology in the south of China was slow because of the long peace, and gunpowder technology was slow because of the guerrilla war in the north with the Mongols. There are many epoch-making weapons, but they are still in the first stage. The social treatment of soldiers was low, officials were extremely corrupt, natural disasters and farmers slowly lost their land. Large silver inflows led to deflation. Chinese navigation was privately owned by the emperor, while European navigation was a joint-stock system in which everyone benefited. Private maritime trade is not regulated by the government, which loses a large amount of government revenue. But there are still opportunities to learn overseas technology. The three great campaigns of Wanli seriously consumed the defense forces of Ming Dynasty. The land problem was serious in the late Ming Dynasty, and the border guards were not paid. There were peasant rebels in the Empire, the Mongols in the north and the Jurchens in the northeast. In this case the Ming had to fight on the second line, just like the Germans. At the end of the 16th century, the Manchus occupied China, burning books, shaving hair and changing clothes, technology and knowledge were in the hands of the Manchus, and they closed the country. Due to the Manchu policy of ethnic isolation, the various ethnic groups in China under the Qing Dynasty had virtually no connection. To prevent ethnic consciousness among the Han Chinese, schools were destroyed and literacy rates were severely low. Technology moves slowly. The rulers of the Qing Dynasty were afraid that the Han people had better technical weapons and equipment, so the military expenditure was very low, which was the result of the policy of national isolation and national inequality. By the 19th century China was very backward. During the Tianping Rebellion, the original Manchu and Green armies had become corrupt and could not withstand the new thinking peasant army. In this situation, new units were drilled throughout the country, and the number of troops led by Han Chinese gradually increased. After the Tianping Rebellion, China had entered a separatist regime. The reason for China's backwardness was the policy of ethnic division and the policy of shaving hair and dressing easily implemented by the Manchu rulers. Preventing Chinese is more important than preventing Westerners.

@saulghim2661

Ай бұрын

The military expenditure during the Qing Dynasty was very high, what are you talking about? This is how they were able to expand to the largest size that any Chinese dynasty ever had...

@stevoz6743

Ай бұрын

​@@saulghim2661 Qing Dynasty military was completely beaten down by Europeans and caused China to suffer from Opium and partial colonization, so they were overthrown and the empirical system ended in China.

@USrobot

Ай бұрын

Dude, I'm Chinese. The Qing Dynasty ruled Mongolia because Mongolia was divided at that time, after conquering Mongolia, they chose to marry the Mongols, this is the point, in the peace time to the Mongols, many Mongolian nobles became monks, this is a spiritual castration, fewer and fewer Mongols, another part of the Mongolian nobles were pulled back to Beijing, and the alliance flag system was dissolved. I don't want to reply too much to these questions, you can go to Wikipedia to see the war in the late Qing Dynasty. The Second Opium War, the Battle of Baliqiao, the Battle of the Eight Allied Powers, the Sino-Japanese Naval Battle of 1894-1895. The casualty rate is staggering. Even the Zulus are fighting better than the Qing. High military spending doesn't seem to be defeating anyone. And to buy Krupp cannons and weapons from Germany. If you like Qing Dynasty history, I suggest you get to know every detail. Before that you should ask yourself why the Qing Dynasty did not learn the ideas and spirit of the Revolution from the French and become a modern empire instead of an old-fashioned one.

@saulghim2661

Ай бұрын

@@USrobot I wasn't defending the Qing, so I don't know why you're attacking me as if I were. The leadership was complacent and underestimating during their peak with Qianlong. But it's convenient to overlook that the leadership in the court was more Han than Manchu simply through competence anyways.

Glad to see yourself in this vid then just your voice! Great quality videos mate. Keep it up 🙌🏽

First. They got absolutely bullied by europeans in the 1800s. Opium war, consolidation of ports, unequal trade treaties, being irrelevant, considered the sick man of asia and then bullied by the japanese (to put it by the least) for over a decade. It caused famines, floodings of former canals which were undermantained after the qings collaspe, civil war and economic instabilities which killed up to 50 million from 1880s to 1930s. After that, the destruction of the japanese and the civil war, caused famine and killed about 35 million extra people. And then youve got the korean war, where China didnt want a repeat of the opium war. Plus historically china has been isolationist, it was mostly japan who launched invasions into korea, northern people who would raid and conquer and only really expanded into the lower red river and central asia.

@frederickbaggett936

Ай бұрын

You forgot to include the millions of deaths from the starvation and famine from the Great Leap Forward & the deaths from the purges of the Cultural Revolution and the Tiennamen Square Massacre.

@khaen-tw9yw

Ай бұрын

@frederickbaggett936 considering most of chinese infastructure was destroyed before 1954 of course policies would kill millions since to achieve a period of industrialisation, farmers must leave for the cities, which would lead to the mass famines which is multiplied by the poor state of the entire country after the Civil war since they had to reorganize everything under the communist system, large land owners (remember most landowners were held in trial by their tenants and executed) had to be split up and a hell sorts of other things. The country was in a general mess before 1980

@davidjacobs8558

Ай бұрын

India was under Mongol rule before Europeans came. China was under Manchu rule before Europeans came. both were colonies of foreign people when Europeans came.

@pixelpie5280

Ай бұрын

​@@davidjacobs8558 india under mongol rule ???First when british came most of india was under marathas (indian ethnic group) now The mughals (not mongols) unlike the British assimilated into indian society with them marrying into ethnic indian families like rajputs . Making them part of India also the fact they did not loot india and put all it's resources into lands thousands of kilometres away . Matter of fact under aurangzeb india had worlds largest economy . This is not to say mughals were all good they were imperialist and there were also religious differences .

@tat3179

Ай бұрын

@@davidjacobs8558The Manchus assimilated and practiced a lot of Han customs and traditions when they ruled. After all, where are the Manchus now? Is there even a place called Manchuria today? It is gone all.absorbed into current day China.

This is a fantastic video, there’s a ton of nuance to both the real history and the current regime’s narrative. You are quickly becoming one of the best history/geopolitics channels on this platform!

@LowenKM

Ай бұрын

Yep, that's a lotta history to condense into a brief narrative... thx, very well done! BTW, just a sidebar, but it's also interesting how many contemporary cultures, including the American South, Israel, Russia, and of course China, all still manage to get so much 'mileage' from their collective sense of 'grievance' and humiliation. And perhaps not 'coincidentally', they're also arguably all very clannish and 'xenophobic' cultures as well.

@TheLocalLt

Ай бұрын

@@LowenKM I believe it is extremely irresponsible to lump all of these together instead of applying the level of nuance exemplified in this video to each of them, nor do I think your characterization is even accurate or comparable for each of these cases. These broadbrush narratives do nothing to advance our understanding of the world, and the fact that this video went beyond that to explore the nuances is exactly what I appreciate the most about it.

@LowenKM

Ай бұрын

@@TheLocalLt 'Sez the 'nuanced' Zoomer/Millennial addicted to sports videos... so which 'aggrieved' group are you (I'm guessing the South, aka, the 'Lost Cause')?! ;-p

@Supersacwithit

Ай бұрын

​@LowenKM My grandmother was born at the tail end of the Qing Dynasty in the early 1900s. My Dad was born and grew up in the Communist take over of China. My dad had a older gentleman/customer to his shop tell me that used to pick up dead bodies in WW2 as a boy (I guess someone paid him to do it) and he remembered the Japanese Imperial soldiers used to give him milk candy (it's like a hard taffy.) So it's not even that long ago. You have people alive that lived through the Century of Humiliation. It's people's parents and grandparents that would tell them the cautionary tale of being a weak country. It resonates because life has never been better for a Chinese person for the last 150 - 200 plus years. This is a period of peace and prosperity.

@LowenKM

Ай бұрын

@@Supersacwithit Understood, though interesting that all these 'aggrieved' cultures also seem to rely on extremely 'selective' memory, that always ignores the 'self-inflicted' reasons contributing to that same sense of humiliation... like the Confederacy's stubborn reliance on slavery, Stalin & Russia's long history of attacks on every one of its neighbors, the assassination of Israel's PM not by a Palestinian but by another Israeli, and of course the over 40 million Chinese who died under Mao's glorious 'policies'.

personally i believe China has the right to use the humilation and tourture that Chinese suffered to help grow their nation and help expand industries, military and economy. Even if it does fuel hatred in the hearts of the people eventually once china is prosperous enough and chinese citizens realize nationalism doesnt really matter and they are actually equal with everyone it wont matter at all and we can achieve some peace with China. It's not like all Chinese people hate westerners after all they create jobs and buy chinese products . Everyone will eventually become subject to change and its up to human nature to guide people to becoming more accepting and welcoming to changes and people

Wow! I'm just finding your channel. You do an amazing job with these historical accounts. Thank you so much!.

Evil often presents itself as righteous.

@skp8748

Ай бұрын

Loool opium wars

@isaakfrmla

Ай бұрын

@@skp8748lol nazi germany

@fongponto

Ай бұрын

You mean.... zionists backed by the us

@miniaturejayhawk8702

Ай бұрын

"Evil" is usually anything that doesnt bow down unconditionally to jews and christians, even when they are barely religious or wronged the other party in question first. We should stop deluding ourselves with the idea that we must be good people, because by that logic anyone who has a problem with us must automatically be a bad person.

@golonawailus4312

Ай бұрын

And wonder which ethnicity sold these opium to China.

Liking your style HS. Just discovered. Seen a few vids now. The first was Venezuela. Excellent. I like your style. The fireside chat approach is good. No $#@* computer animated voice. Looking forward to more. Great topics. Your getting into the why and who rather than raw facts. Solid visuals. From the colonies of NZ.

Nazi Germany too was angry about its humiliation...it did not end well.

Great video! Thanks for posting!

Who wants to admit to failure. It’s always someone else’s fault.

@heavenbright2342

Ай бұрын

You are speaking of the West when they blame China, right?

@TenOrbital

Ай бұрын

lol the CCP bots are out

@comment3711

Ай бұрын

@MayankTrivedi2 You forgot to mention that it’s number 1 in exporting respiratory viruses. It’s basically the best country at everything ever!

@fongponto

Ай бұрын

​@@TenOrbitalthe typical anglo saxon knee yerk "lol" engrained in every comment...

@richardmackenzie1878

Ай бұрын

@@TenOrbital I got no real horse in the race, but every time I stumble on some China youtube vid, the people shouting "CCP bot" nonsense seem way more bot-like themselves.

Great video. Thanks a lot. I can't wait to see the other.

Great newish channel, keep it up. Love me some history.

Given the current rise of China, and its role on the international stage, we need to look at China's own history, and before the Cold War to better understand China, and how it became what it is. Sometimes, I wonder if there parallel that can be drawn between China's history with other nation's histories like Palestine and Ukraine?

@MrNebelschatten

Ай бұрын

Palestine isn't a nation.

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

Oh, you mean like witnessing how China will be this generation's Soviet Union, circa 1989 (with the fall of the Berlin Wall)? Maybe that's why Ukrainians & Hong Kongers--alongside the Taiwanese, are doing an epic handshake over a common existential threat; the same threat that's been siding with Hamas (hence the surprising rise in Chinese, anti-Semitism).

Regardless of who won the Chinese civil war, and even if Chiang Kai Shek won the war, many people would still suffer under his dictatorship. “An individual should not have too much freedom. A nation should have absolute freedom” - Sun Yat Sen (Founding Father of Modern China)

@panzerbanz7296

Ай бұрын

Still not as nearly as many as did under Mao

@FloofyMinari

Ай бұрын

Sun Yat Sen feared communist spies. More than likely he would not remain dictator if he won the Civil War.

@codyshi4743

Ай бұрын

@@panzerbanz7296How do you know? Have you been to an alternative timeline?

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

If Sun Yat Sen actually said that, then wouldn't that explains why China will continue making the same d*mn mistakes everytime, constantly reunifying the same states, ethnicities that will inevitably secede--OVER, & OVER again, never learning what dogmatic blunder that should've been avoided prior? No wonder why Einstein said what he provocatively said about the Chinese in his early East Asian travels; or for that matter, where he found the brilliant inspiration for redefining insanity. Maybe that's why I'm still not wrong to say reunifying China will always be Chiang Kai Shek's worst mistake ever, i.e., reunification will beg corruption & degeneracy.

Overall, Chinese history is very rich and deadly, and to the furthest extent complex. I say rich if you take into consideration the ancient times, when China had invented much advance technology and rich culture. Deadly, because like even before the century of humiliation and the rise of Mao, China had a history where many people dying in massive numbers because of ongoing wars, however, we shouldn't discourage and ignore the massive deaths that occurred during the century of humiliation and during mao's reign as leader of China. I say complex, because overall China's history is complex, and there's a lot to explain. If you watch Jabzy's video on China's modern history, you will know what I meant by being complex. Still overall, great job on your videos Henry Stewart 👍.

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

Of course you would say that (about not discounting the body count of the so-called, century of humiliation); how much of it was self-inflicted by the Chinese gov't, themselves--even way before the first Opium War? Otherwise, you would've realized how China's real enemy has always been the Chinese people themselves--'just ask Chairman Mao, why he thinks China should be very thankful for the Japanese in WW2.

One aspect you forgot to mention was that China was already under foreign occupation. Many people still saw the new dynasty as invaders and was far more willing to put a Han majority back in power. The long pony tail was something FORCED and is not native Chinese culture. The elite machu were suspicious of the Han majority and were as much at war with the natives as to the foreigners. The elite refused to give up their power to reform as it would give some power to the majority Han Chinese. This led to the state shattering and the new warlord era.

@andyxyz01

Ай бұрын

It is not totally accurate to say china was under foreign occupation by the manchu Qing. It is true that discrimination occurred, including the Willow Palisade and the Queue Order, but Han Chinese were given certain privileges by the Manchu. 1. Aristocratic and military ranks, silver, horses, and official positions were given to Han Chinese defectors like Zhang Cunren, Sun Dingliao, Liu Wu, Liu Liangchen, Zu Zehong, Zu Zepu, Zu Kufa and Zu Zerun. In fact, some generals like Li Yongfang enjoyed higher status in the Qing than in the Ming. 2. Han Chinese generals who defected to the Manchus were often given women from the imperial Aisin-Gioro family in marriage. Manchu Aisin-Gioro princesses were also married to Han Chinese officials' sons. The Manchu leader Nurhaci married one of his granddaughters (Abatai's daughter) to the Ming general Li Yongfang after he surrendered Fushun in Liaoning to the Manchus in 1618. The offspring of Li Yongfang received the "Third Class Baron" title. Li Yongfang was the great-great-great-grandfather of Li Shiyao. The 4th daughter of Kangxi was wedded to Sun Cheng'en, son of the Han Chinese Sun Sike. Other Aisin-Gioro women married the sons of the Han Chinese generals Geng Jimao, Shang Kexi, and Wu Sangui. Meanwhile, the ordinary soldiers who defected were often given non-royal Manchu women as wives, and a mass marriage of Han Chinese officers and officials to Manchu women numbering 1,000 couples was arranged by Prince Yoto and Khan Hong Taiji in 1632 to promote harmony between the two ethnic groups. 3. Hong Taiji was encouraged by Han Chinese to become the emperor of China, including Ning Wanwo, Fan Wencheng, Ma Guozhu，Zu Kefa，Shen Peirui，and Zhang Wenheng. 4. The Qing dynasty portrayed themselves as “avenging” the death of the Han Chinese Emperor Chongzhen of Ming at the hands of the rebels in order to gain support of the Han Chinese who were loyal to the Ming. 5. Arguably most importantly, the Qing dynasty supported Confucianism, which many Chinese consider of paramount importance. 6. Because of many of the above factors, the Qing army that advanced upon the Ming capital at Beijing was comprised of MORE HANS THAN MANCHUS. TLDR: Manchus treated the Hans in a brotherly way on many occasions, to the point that the Ming-Qing transition was largely undertaken under the support of the Han.

Your explanation of genesis of the First Opium War glosses over the causes of the conflict. One big part was the large trade deficit and the strain on silver reserves that the Chinese mandated must be used for such trade. Opium was a commodity that the British had in some of its colonies in abundance. So, in the end it was a balance of payments issue caused by restrictions laid on trade by the Qing dynasty. I do find amusing the characterization of the British being the biggest drug dealer of all. Funny, but true.

@mimorisenpai8540

Ай бұрын

Can't blame British for doing that, Qing government actually forced them to going bankrupt like Spain.

@tuppenceworth5485

Ай бұрын

What a load of nonsense. Britain had nothing to offer the Chinese in exchange for the tea, porcelain and silk, so it had to pay for the goods in silver. It's like saying if you go into a shop and spend all your money, you have the right to demand the shopkeeper to accept anything you choose to pay in.

@louisgiokas2206

Ай бұрын

@@tuppenceworth5485 Such ignorance is staggering. The Chinese government at the time mandated that all exports could only be paid for in silver. It was not the British who decided to use silver. Your second point is also just plain wrong. I am trying to keep it clean here. Have you ever heard the term "legal tender"? Look it up. A shopkeeper has to accept that in exchange for goods. So, in the US, that is the dollar. If you walk into a shop in the US with euros or yen or yuan the shopkeeper can legally refuse to accept them. This same concept applies in those other countries. The reasons a shopkeeper would not want those other currencies are simple. For one thing the shopkeeper takes on exchange rate risk. I have worked in large corporation overseas. Even big companies have problems with that. If the payment is made in precious metals or some other commodity then the same issue holds. It would have to be voluntary on the shopkeeper's part. So, before putting your tuppence worth you might want to do some research.

@tuppenceworth5485

Ай бұрын

@@louisgiokas2206 You don't even understand the basic rule of trade. I repeat: the British had NOTHING to offer the Chinese in exchange for the tea they wanted except in the form of a precious metal, silver. When they ran out of silver, they forced the sale of opium on the Chinese which resulted in the Opium Wars. You call that "trade"? The rest is history.

@mimorisenpai8540

Ай бұрын

@@tuppenceworth5485 British actually try to used their technology and other stuff from their colonies in india to replaced silver but chinese don't interest and when they offer Qing with opium and tobacco, government accepted it. Clearly not just simple shop thing.

Should be noted: The Kuomintang and communists weren't that ideologically opposed. They were both rather leftist. If I recall, Chang's main rolemodel was a socialist. He ended up moderating as he gained power. The communists effectively didn't think he went far enough.

@fredfoshizzle4891

Ай бұрын

Also worth noting that both parties draw inspiration from Sun Yat Sen, who brought China into its Republican period, which was totally left out of this video. He is considered to father of modern china by both the CCP and Taiwanese (ROC) states. There was a lot of diversity in the various political movements during/after the fall of the Qing and they still influence many Chinese people to this day. Obviously, the comminists dominated after the fact but i think this video misses a lot of the nuance within the leftist movements (ex: Deng Xiaoping) and presents China as a bit of a monolith rather than a country that still struggles with different legacies of various political beliefs.

@nikkidoten3213

Ай бұрын

@@fredfoshizzle4891he also leaves out the fact that Mao wasn’t even in charge before the long march. He only came into power because all the leaders died in that long march.

@fredfoshizzle4891

Ай бұрын

@@nikkidoten3213 yeah. A lot of times people lump "communists" all together and associate it with just one leader--which is probably exactly what Mao, Stalin, etc wanted. They want people to think of themselves as synonymous and inseparable from the movement, and also from the direction of the nation. The modern day PRC pulls that card a lot. "没有共产党没有新中国" --"Without the communist party there would be no new China"

@mimorisenpai8540

Ай бұрын

Kmt kinda like Indian National Congress Party is mixed bag between left wing and right wing. Chiang are from Right wing faction. KMT turn into more Right Learning after purging Communist and Chiang-Wang split later ww2 and civil war make parties full into Right wing mode.

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

And that's why I believe Chinese reunification has always & will be, an astronomical mistake. Otherwise, why else are the CCP mirroring the same corruption tendencies as the KMT--or the dynasties prior?

Kuomingtang(KMT) is pronounced like "Guo-min-dang" And KMT was not capitalist. Chiang was a socialist. He believed in state ownership of key industries. He just hated commies

@ANTSEMUT1

Ай бұрын

State ownership of enterprises doesnt get you as far as you think. It's part of the path to socialism but not the be all end all.

People should learn from their history either success or failure, its more of a common sense at this point

Hell yeah, brother, cool vid.

This phenomenon is not unique. Many countries experienced trauma of various forms and have had to cope, especially politically. Germany, France, Israel, etc etc etc. We are truly blessed to live in such a peaceful time when the world was full of war in the recent past.

Excellent original footage 👌

The Chinese are not allowed to criticize Mao and their own leaders. Mao's culture revolution destroyed so much of China's history and beautiful cultural assets. They have lost connection to their own past and identity, especially politically and socially. If you suppress feelings they arise in other ways. The Chinese should be angry at themselves and recognize their self inflicted humiliation. Instead it is easier to blame others. Chinese expression- The man who blames others has a long journey. The man who blames himself is half way there. The man who blames no one has arrived.

Excellent video, thanks.

When a world power loses its status they often look back to the past glory and lament but most react by bringing back such ceremonies to remember their golden days

What were those movies you used during the Opium Wars part?

Good video!

The history of China up to when it became the CCP today really fascinates me given how complex yet culturally rich it is. This still holds true despite the huge animosity we are having with the Chinese government over the claim of some of Philippine islands and seas. I really don't like where this is heading given that Philippines and China have been friendly and strictly business only for centuries; and we have a huge Chinese diaspora here and even the oldest Chinatown.

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

Too bad how much of China's purported/alleged rich culture/history, has always been trashed and destroyed--GIVEN the Chinese superstition of destroying priceless artifacts, architectural or otherwise, believing they're trying to rid themselves of bad karma or juju? Isn't any other reason why Chinese history is something of an oxymoron, a sick joke, even an outright lie? China was already practicing Orwellian memory-holing, before Orwell was even conceived...

Thanks for this, much better than other AI generated voice and content. Appreciate this effort.

Cut the story short..The Manchurian Qing Dynasty is solely to be blamed for what China is. The question remains "who is a true Chinese?" Hence, a Chinese today has 4 different looks 'A Mongolian, A Manchurian, A Korean & A Japanese'

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

I guess the only way to know what is truly Chinese, is to accelerate and sustain the mass secessionist movements of Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria, East Turkestan, Hong Kong,/Canton (including Macau), Shanghai, Szechuan, etc... far outside the northern Han Plains/Beijing-Tianjin perimeter. Multi-polar world? I'm more interested in a multi-China/post-Sinofied/unified Chinese world order...

I don't have any idea about China's history. That's a great pill. I'll watch it as soon as I can.

Brilliant video.

Great history of China over the two centuries. The only thing I'd add is that while the current CCP regime keeps talking about foreign invasions and humiliations inflicted by foreign nations near the end of the Qing dynasty, people often forgot to mention that China was actually ruled by foreigners at the time, namely the Manchus. And, the huge number of Chinese massacred by the Manchus when they conquered China is largely forgotten or ignored by the CCP. Were the Manchu invaders better than the Japanese ones??

what really humilliated about summer palace is to this day chinese need to buy a treasure that was stolen in this incedent.

“Inferior is, as inferior does.”

If the hold on power also brings prosperity to the people, so why change?

Current day China isn't pretty, but compared to the early communist days, it's a merry go round.

@asdrubalpals

Ай бұрын

Have you seen their cities ? They are much developed that in west

@RickBlaine

Ай бұрын

You badly need to do some research. Better still, take a week or two to visit the areas like Tibet and Xinjiang. I wonder if you would post your experience on threads like this.

@asdrubalpals

Ай бұрын

@@RickBlaine what gonna happen if I go there? I just going to find business and factories and boogie man stories about the brutality of the Chinese government maybe true or not but the Quality of life it's what matters

@earx23

Ай бұрын

@@RickBlaine I know about those.

@RickBlaine

Ай бұрын

@asdrubalpals You obviously spent more time there than I did. Sorry. No need to do research.

It is strange how supposedly the more enlightend age of the 20th century saw the most viscous and dehumanazing war crimes commited.

Please do a similar video on India.

Excellent channel, very high quality content

You dont know where to sail to, if you dont know where you are from.

Before I begin, I would like to make this clear that I am a home grown Singaporean. Now, condemn the Chinese government only if you, of the collective west, had suffered the same degree of humiliation and still became what you previously were. In which you are already not. Humiliation, be it due to internal or external factors, brings about true humility when used effectively. And those who are humble are blessed by God to see more. While the arrogant is blind to a lot of things. Despite flaws in CCP's narrative, two points are clear and true. Internal disunity and complacency led to China's century of humiliation. Although that particular century was the most humiliating one, decline, civil wars, disunity and humiliation were common in China's 2770 years of recorded history. One of the infamous ones was the Jing Kang humiliation during the Northern Song dynasty. And yes, all of those declines actually started internally. Thus, the message of unity and vigilance. The Chinese govt may not speak of their part in causing the humiliation, but what makes you think that China's citizens do not know? If we want to compare flaws in narratives, the collective west's narratives are just as flawed in a lot of matters. For example, de-dollarization is a myth. So, while you are here busy with smearing China's govt, de-dollarization is already happening and is accelerating. If the collective west cannot learn from the mistakes of others, then be prepared to make the same mistakes yourselves. In which, not only the collective west is not prepared, but is already making those same mistakes. Your experts are unfamiliar with this shift from a unipolar world to a multipolar world. And looking at the videos you posted so far, my guess is that your knowledge of China's history is limited at this point. Thus, I'm wondering if you are familiar with this concept of a world shifting from unipolar to multipolar. On the other hand, China has seen this internal shift from a unipolar govt to multipolar govt and vice versa for 2770 years. Sure, the culture revolution caused further decline to China. But they learnt from that mistake and have bringing those ancient culture and knowledge back during the past few decades. And with that, it's 2770 years of rise and fall to learn from. Have the collective west accepted your history of barbaric exploitation of others and genocide yet? Jesus said to remove the plank in front of our eye before removing the sawdust in our brother's eye. Have you remove the plank in front of your own eye yet?

@drmamu7777

Ай бұрын

Truly understand.. china is a traumatized child wanting to use the evil given to them to others. It wont succeed.

This is sad... Prayer for those who died 🕯

Sounds eerily similar to Germany post ww1😅

Europeans: who hurt you? China: 😑

@kaztarihtanu

Ай бұрын

Many western companies depend on chinese cheap workforce. So china will inevitably be in charge.

@panzerbanz7296

Ай бұрын

Manchurians?

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

Then again, there's counter-intuitive, red pilling reasons why China Uncensored's Chris Chappell commented how China's REAL enemies were never the 'foreign forces,' constantly parroted ad nauseum--EVEN before CCP times: HINT; are the Chinese people, the real enemy of China? See also how China is a multi-ethnic, dictatorial empire, running on a 2-tier caste system between the gov't, and all others...

By the way, what the Europeans did in China they also did all over the world. The Chinese are nothing special in that regard. The Chinese last projected naval power in the early 15th century, in the South China Sea and Indian Ocean areas. This did not last long, as indicated. Later in the 15th century, the Europeans started projecting naval power and trade.

@noahjohnson935

Ай бұрын

personally that's why I despise the idea of empire in general. we made exploitation and suffering the norm

@aslouie

Ай бұрын

Maybe that's why China seriously dropped the ball with forbidding ship-building/refining maritime navigational skills--or more aptly put, China dropping the soap...

@louisgiokas2206

Ай бұрын

@@noahjohnson935 Um, I think your knowledge of history is severely lacking. I want to be respectful here, but the idea of empire is as old as it gets. The exploitation and suffering are the norm throughout history. The US oversaw a system for the last 75+ years that tried to break that cycle. Not the Chinese. They want to bring empire back. Go back and do some more reading.

@louisgiokas2206

Ай бұрын

@@aslouie Love it!

@noahjohnson935

Ай бұрын

@@louisgiokas2206 the USA didn't try to break the cycle, we became the poster child for it. There is a reason a certain mustached Austrian painter loved Western movies. Read about Wounded Knee, the Trail of Tears, the burning of Canyon de Chelly, and the war in the Philippines and you find a literal mountain of skeletons in the US' closet about them being an empire.

The Chinese were only more advanced than anywhere else for a brief period in the 700s AD until maybe 1200, at best. Classical Europe, the Eastern Roman "Byzantine" Empire, and High Middle Ages Europe were at least at advanced, and then considerably more so from the 1300s AD until about the present.

Sounds like the same thing that happened to everyone else also happened to China

@andrean2247

Ай бұрын

Is everyone is china?

"Lest we forget."

Omg, Hong's history blew me. It's absolutely silly.

As an Indian, we were colonized for far longer and more thoroughly. We have deep seated resentments and in that case, can empathize with china. But actions inspired from such resentment will backfire both for India and China.

Be ready for the evil dragon

@marcussimkh

Ай бұрын

You have been brainwashed by the Amercians. We human are all evil and for their own gain. If China is evil, what about the US? Those countries that they have invaded ?name a country China has invaded can you?

His narrative is both contorted n convoluted. Chinas resentment toward the western imperial colonists is both straightforward n justified . What occured during the Chinese revolution and the events in China like the cultural revolution and others are an internal matter for Chinese historians and others to separately critique

Many countries have the same resentment but they cannot yet speak.

Good

How is china angry?

👍

the century of humilliation narrative aren't use by just communist , kmt use it too even before they loss the civil war. and the point about this narrative is china was stand up to foreign power but still far from being great power like the old empire so every chinese need to work hard to achieve this.

Some thing that my Brother-in-law would approve of, and He is Irish. Then the propaganda makes a liar of the Xi telling the story.

Of course they would get angry, they got clapped a lot since the rise of Western Countries😂

Drugs baby drugs. It’s all about selling drugs.

If not for ccp chain wound have been another africa. But you can see Europeans are still fighting to make it that way

They don't seem to understand that the rest of the world just wants them to make stuff and to ignore them. Their country is huge and we give them a lot of our money. That should be enough to not be a pain in the butt.

@aceflaviuskaizokuaugustusc8427

Ай бұрын

I mean that was what they were doing in the Qing dynasty during the Century of Humiliation. The country was closed off and contact with the outside world was rather limited. They made their own stuff and sell the stuff that other people wanted and just made money off of that. It was only an issue because there was a trade imbalance that was costing European powers like Britain a lot of silver.

A bit one sided historical analysis but better than most people on YT.

@ryanspinoza6586

Ай бұрын

What was one sided about it?

The sad thing is that when the CCP falls China is likely again to break up into competing warlord controlled regions. I have already been hearing that there is a nascent movement in southeastern China to break away. This region because of its location and geography has always been the most outward facing. I have even heard rumors of one city wanting to break away to ally/merge with Taiwan. All of this is rumor for now, but based on history it would not surprise me if it comes to pass.

@ivancho5854

Ай бұрын

Yes very true, but this is normal for China. Today China says that it is an old country, but in reality it has fragmented into regions controlled by warlords (in Europe we call that "Countries"!) and reformed many times in the past and it will likely keep doing so in the future. China will appear unified and strong until one day everything will seem to collapse. China, like Russia, is strong, but very brittle. Chinese history is based on lies much more than Western countries. This is a feature, rather than a failing, and is used by the CCP to control the Chinese people. Unfortunately lies have a habit of eventually being believed by the authoritarian regimes who create them as is the case with Xi. I agree that the southern cities will stop being controlled by Beijing first. Importantly those cities get most of their food from outside of China. All the best.

@louisgiokas2206

Ай бұрын

@@ivancho5854 Very interesting analysis and as far as I can tell quite true. I saw one analysis that claimed, and I have no way of knowing how accurate this is, that China has only had effective centralized control for about 300 years of its long history. Whatever the specific number, it is interesting in terms of the efforts by the CCP.

@ivancho5854

Ай бұрын

@@louisgiokas2206 IIRC Peter Zeihan has stated a figure less than 300 years, but Peter doesn't cite his sources so I'm not sure how accurate they are. It could well be 300. 👍

@louisgiokas2206

Ай бұрын

@@ivancho5854 Good point. Whatever the actual figure, it shows something about perceptions in the world about China. The 19th century imperialists used China's regionalism to influence trade. Perhaps this should inform our policies today. Without the gunboats, of course.

@codyshi4743

Ай бұрын

When you both say that China should collapse back into the warlord, then you’re basically saying that China should become another war torn region like the Middle East. Where every Chinese people should suffer like the innocent Palestinians, Iraqi, Yemonese, and Syrian. And if you both think it’s normal that a big state like China should be divided like what it is during the warlord era, due to your all limited knowledge of China. Then might as well divide up other nations around the world. Like might as well divide the UK into smaller kingdom, might as well divide Germany into smaller kingdom before its unification under Bismarck, and might as well divide Japan into smaller states like what it was like during the Sengoku Jidai. Those who fail to fully understand the struggles of developing nations and wish to divide a nation without second thought has no brains.

But US surrounds China, not the other way around.

Skill Issues -Chinese

What an absolute fascinating piece .. Astonishing..have really learnt something here .. I must admit I did assume the Chinese were the trouble makers . However this clearly is not the case .. Another great vid .

They should ignore the negative. China had some great empires

You fail to understand that the Kuo Min Tung (KMT) were socialists is outlook and were preferred by Moscow over the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) for most of the 1920s and 30s. Chiang Kai Shek only really became capitalist is rhetoric after 1949 and not really until he died. He did in effect run a authoritarian capitalist gangster-mafia state. Because he was a Christian the USA kind of preferred him to Mao. The KMT also never really controlled the whole of China and lost industrial Manchuria to the Japanese. China was also conquered in the 16th century by the Manchus and replaced the Han as the ruling class. This also made China weaker losing it's edge. Europe wanted Chinese luxury goods, silk, tea, porcelain etc. The Chinese wanted payment in silver only until opium came along and Europe had something the Chinese wanted.

@RickBlaine

Ай бұрын

You didn't get the opium story quite right. But that is understandable.

@tat3179

Ай бұрын

Lol. They wanted opium, you mean? You know, the stuff they forced China to take by gunboat? Other than that, you do realise China’s territorial size was actually at its largest under the Qing?

😂😂 If China is expansionist... like it or not, the American continent belongs to China...

She Peng Ting

Because they got their ass kicked multiple times. Had you know them a lot more, you wouldn't have made this video. Chinese arrogance are often times are not backed by result.

PLEASE WATCH THE VID 'WHY DOES CHINA LOVE HENRY KISSINGER'

@paulfri1569

Ай бұрын

Yeah and how they work with Red China till this day to screw the West over..

They had a skill issue it seems

Because they have small 🧨 I mean self confidence..

China talk so much about history and great humiliation century but they don't dare to tell humiliation they did to Vietnam over a thousand years

@simkiankiong3599

Ай бұрын

There are.more humiliations that the west.don't want history to reveal...don't point fingers

@ANTSEMUT1

Ай бұрын

Why? Vietname managed to get back at them many times and gave them historically embarrassing defeats.

@simkiankiong3599

Ай бұрын

@@ANTSEMUT1 well, not the 1979 war...china would have Hanoi at its mercy if the chinese did not halt their assaults..

@ANTSEMUT1

Ай бұрын

@@simkiankiong3599 im ethnically chinese, china manageing to get one over vietnam after a brutal war with america isn't super impressive.

@simkiankiong3599

Ай бұрын

@@ANTSEMUT1 a win us a win...don't give excuses...

Because they acted like Hermits for centuries and don't want to own it.

The mechanical clock was not invented in China.

@cw4608

Ай бұрын

See Yi Xing 725 AD

imperialist reetah.

There horrible history is STILL happening. I understand why people are trying to get out.eshh!!

@hypocritehater1673

Ай бұрын

Are you talking about your shithole country😂

A history channel that still pushes the dark age moniker, which has been argued against by scholars for decades now? really, here's a dislike.

China was great UNDER Europe 😂

@davidjacobs8558

Ай бұрын

Hong Kong was great under British rule for sure. Most people mistakenly think Hong Kong was a large city before British rule, but in reality, Hong Kong was tiny fishing village with only dozen households. Millions of Chinese voluntarily came into Hong Kong to escape China.

@Jaydub07

Ай бұрын

The British were the ones who feed the public opium to gain land and money and power from them

@Amoore-vv9wx

Ай бұрын

Now Europe’s doomed. Funny that.

@tat3179

Ай бұрын

@@davidjacobs8558 Really? Tell me if Western governance and rule is so great and good, why is New York and London such a shithole in comparison to Shanghai nowadays?

@munnakhan8961

Ай бұрын

China is greater than ever right now

losers

You’re not very bright or well-versed in history yourself, friend. You REALLY aren’t.

@ivancho5854

Ай бұрын

You have friends? 😐

Inferiority complex, against a vastly superior race.

now china is the villain...