Thank you everyone for waiting so long for this. I am sorry it took so long to make. Thank you also to Rockstar for releasing the copyright claim on this video. Here are timestamps. If you enjoy this video please drop a like. It helps me make more content like this. 0:00 Intro 1:06 Big Smoke's Personality 3:47 Why Does Smoke Come Back In Reuniting The Families 5:50 Times When Smoke Questioned Sweet's Leadership 11:10 Big Smoke Shutting Ryder Up On CJ's Moms Murder 13:20 Big Smoke Refusing To Shoot The Ballas 14:15 What Big Smoke Is Really Saying 17:09 Why Smoke Shoots At The Ballas In Drive By 17:57 Smoke's Missions Aren't Grove Street Related 19:15 The Russian Mafia's Role 23:46 Smoke's Betrayal In Green Sabre 29:09 Tenpenny's Role 30:00 The Loco Syndicate's Role 32:25 Toreno's Role And The CIA 32:50 The Los Santos Crack Empire's Role 33:41 How Big Smoke Hid His Crack Money 41:40 Ryder's Role 42:12 Why Tenpenny Had Kane Killed 44:32 Why Tenpenny Caused The Police Raid 47:32 Why Ryder's Death Broke Smoke 50:18 Why Tenpenny Choose Smoke Not Sweet 53:55 Was Smoke Really Forced To Betray CJ? 1:00:55 Why CJ's Mom Was Killed 1:04:25 Why Tenpenny Killed Officer Pendlebury 1:08:25 Did Smoke And Ryder Know About CJ's Mom? 1:09:13 Why Was Smoke In CJ's House? 1:11:20 Why Smoke Used CJ 1:11:43 Did Smoke Regret Betraying CJ?

@k.b.1_0

Жыл бұрын

No problem,been waiting for long but it was worth it, love your GTA Chinatown series

@thatgamingchannel95

Жыл бұрын

Thnx for the video pro!

@ouissam2502

Жыл бұрын

Please don’t apologize. Take your time AND your rest. Good job as always, professional.

@jadavella4623

Жыл бұрын

Thx for the video. At least you took your time, you don't need to apologize

@AlexisStreams

Жыл бұрын

i disagree with your statement on big smoke and ryder, let me put it this way, would you stay and risk dying and not making it out, or would you leave then come back to help your homies out? Sweet said strictly one rep per set, chances are if everyone stayed the more likely ryder smoke CJ and sweet would have died, We all know CJ stays behind, Big Smoke And Ryder had a choice to stay and risk being killed or leave draw attention away from the building and then return for CJ and Sweet. Big Smoke could have been worried and returned for CJ And Sweet but Ryder Had no obligation to return.

“Im from the streets. Everyone has a street in front of their house.” That killed me 😂😂😂

@Imtrane15

Жыл бұрын

I'm "from the streets" too, but not like that. My neighborhood isn't that ghetto. It's not that much of a shit hole. You don't see me whining about it.

@ashhabimran239

Жыл бұрын

Manny Escuella: Did someone say 'streets'?

@amir.h84gamer78

Жыл бұрын

@@ashhabimran239 Jimmy De Santa: SHUT UP

@jaythered420

Жыл бұрын

"you down?! you mark ass bitch, trick, bustah, fool?!" haha so good! XD

@XXXTENTAClON

Жыл бұрын

I know I am :)

Personally, I always interpreted Smoke as the guy who got what he wanted only to realize later on what it cost him, but he kept moving forward because there was no going back.

@theoutsiderjess4869

Жыл бұрын

That is exactly his character he wanted money fame and power but in the end it made him empty he wasn't even surprised to see Cj come kill him at the end of the game he didn't care about it either he had his empire but wasn't happy

@knowledgeseeker4614

Жыл бұрын

@@theoutsiderjess4869 He almost seemed happy CJ was there to do that.

@lebitelexie9350

Жыл бұрын

A rather good interpretation. The flow took him too far until there was no way out, only forward. From this angle, we can theorize that he did realize that taking this opportunity cost him everything but by that point it was impossible to slow down or bail. He was always out for himself and found himself alone at the top, I guess. Then it aaaaall came crashing down.

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

Yup man it was the money that led him to even think about doing the most backstabbing type of acts against his own gang n he knew that if potential rivals r down for crack money he would fit right in wit a lot of them that turned their back on the grove, he was always out for his self n then when somebody tries to expose him he brings up something else like the pro says so that's says way more about him that we know hes trying to hide never fully understood until I saw this vid which pro did a fantastic job at explaining BS's morale

@Mannnnnnnn

Жыл бұрын

Hes like Eren Yeager

Lazlow calling OG Loc Ogg Lock is the funniest thing ever.😂😂😂

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

I love to make fun of fools like OG Loc.

@indestructible247

Жыл бұрын

@@icyxi no one cares

@dragonblanezkai6045

7 ай бұрын

@@icyxi as you should

@PinkLion3rd

7 ай бұрын

@@indestructible247bri gay boo

@GBGMURHTHAKID

4 ай бұрын

He sounds like wisespade7

I feel bad that Ryder was carried into this mess by Smoke, probably Rockstar just wanted to humiliate the VA for leaving early and destroyed his character. You can see that he cares about the gang and acts like Sweet, calling CJ for his disloyalty and wanted to strengthen them by finding better guns for Emmet. At least they could’ve killed him at the ambush in Green Saber mission, give us a bigger reason to hate Smoke

@theprofessional155

Жыл бұрын

They also did that to Burt Reynolds. He played Avery Carrington in Vice City. They killed off his character in Liberty City Stories in a stupid way. He doesn't even say anything.

@knowledgeseeker4614

Жыл бұрын

@@theprofessional155 That annoyed me as well. Killing off his character was one thing. They could’ve allowed him to have dialogue.

@fungustheturd4004

Жыл бұрын

@@theprofessional155Wow really? I didn’t play LC stories yet but his character was kinda small compared to Ryder. I guess Trevor also got the same treatment from the Smugglers Run beginning cutscene with Ron saying he “thought of himself too big and going all Vinewood”, guess Steven Oggs hatred for being a “cartoon” was much earlier than that drama

@louisnapolitano

Жыл бұрын

They did Ryder dirty 😡

@MikoyanGurevichMiG21

Жыл бұрын

Well funnily enough Ryder's VA would be back in Rockstar's good terms when he came back as a radio guest in GTA V and his music appeared on the West Coast Classics.

Big smoke's betrayal might be the worst one in the series but at the end everyone really did remember his name

@princesslyna1029

Жыл бұрын

He got his wish.

@element021993

Жыл бұрын

San Andreas is also the best GTA.

@icywinx861

Жыл бұрын

It feels the worst because he is CJ childhood friend.

@Vaquero2o9

Жыл бұрын

@@element021993 Gta sa and 4 are my favorite I can’t decide which I love more

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

I remember every important characters and Big Smoke was important.

Man, his name is not The Professional for nothing… he’s the GOAT 🐐‼️ he inspired me to start my channel too!

@itzant2002

Жыл бұрын

Keep up your work pro

@Serenity_Express

Жыл бұрын

You lot are the flies that surround the garbage 😂

@shmsyh5047

Жыл бұрын

@@Serenity_Express so are you , or you wouldn't be replying to the comment

@TheStrategist314

Жыл бұрын

Shh! Keep it down over there.

@thatgothcat

Жыл бұрын

@@Serenity_Express speak for yourself

Can't ever get tired of GTA lore videos. I could stay up all day watching them.

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

True dat

@kenrock6136

Жыл бұрын

Faxx

@SonicEXEProductions

10 ай бұрын

Same

@chefnil

6 ай бұрын

I listen to these when I make beats

@97_Fredo

4 ай бұрын

Factssssss

Ryder's Voice actor said awhile ago he didn't quit and that he actually did all the lines that Rockstar gave him

@MikoyanGurevichMiG21

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and the fact is made more obvious when you realise he returned in GTA V to lend his voice as a guest on the Lab radio station and allowed 4 of his songs to be licensed on West Coast Classics.

@zorgapb4691

Жыл бұрын

Then it can be concluded that his character was simply rushed

@devangnivatkar2649

Жыл бұрын

He also returned for the GTA SA Introduction video and then GTA 5

@NicolasChiribelo

Жыл бұрын

@@devangnivatkar2649 The SA introduction video was made during SA development... not after. There was a special edition of the game upon release that included the introduction in an extra DVD.

@devangnivatkar2649

Жыл бұрын

@@NicolasChiribelo Except it wasn't. It shipped first with the PS2 Special Edition, the version that was put out after Hot Coffee fiasco. This is the M rated version, instead of AO, as it scrubbed all the Hot Coffee content from the data and model files

Big Smoke didn't have any ounce of loyalty. To him it was all about the money, power, and fame as he said prior before his death when CJ murdered him - He was a very narcissistic character and two face. Big Smoke was responsible for the murder of Sweet's mum, when the Ballas sprayed the house, initially it was supposed to be Sweet but he wasn't in the house at the time ; this hit was orchestrated by Big Smoke as he gave the all clear for the assassination to unveil - another instance was when in the first mission the Ballas were purposely targeting the player (you) and also your brother (Sweet) not once did the Ballas target Big Smoke. Big Smoke has NO loyalty whatsoever - had relations with the Russian Mafia and did not inform the Grove about this, he was involved with CRASH and the Ballas - Smoke was ALWAYS out for himself, and saw things differently, we know about this at the ending when CJ, Sweet, and Kendl talked about Big Smoke. So overall Big Smoke was greedy and selfish. Had no regards for anybody - deep down he despised Officer Tenpenny and the CRASH unit as a whole but continued to work with them as he was reaping the benefits he was only purely out for money, none of his missions were related to the Grove ONLY for him and for his deals that he orchestrated such as the Vagos for example. Smoke will do anything to save himself even if it means screwing his friends and the people he works with.

@Housesider

Жыл бұрын

That's why Smoke also doesn't give a shit when he sees CJ has come to finish him off, he practically says as much, and the reason he doesn't care is because like you said he never had loyalty, he was always just out for himself and his time in the gang was just a means to an end for him.

@princesslyna1029

Жыл бұрын

If Sweet was a better leader. Things would change.

@icywinx861

Жыл бұрын

I knew two girls who I thought were my friends. We knew each other a long time but when I did changed and I wanted to be better person because we were not good people. They betrayed me. They were like Big Smoke.

@Starkiller_479

Жыл бұрын

I ain’t reading allat

@OneNVGaming

Жыл бұрын

Big Smoke betrayed CJ because he was greedy and ambitious. From the beginning of the story, Big Smoke tried to persuade Sweet to get into the drug game but Sweet kept resisting because it was destroying communities. Because Smoke wanted the money so badly, he ditched the grove family for the ballas. The Ballas were becoming powerful because of the drug money. Despite BS betraying CJ for monetary reasons, he still had love for CJ. Ryder on the other hand, was a hater to CJ. In the beginning of the story, Ryder kept pestering CJ about being a buster for leaving Los Santos for Liberty City. Even when CJ proved his loyalty, Ryder kept trash talking at CJ. There was one mission where Ryder was bragging about how better of a driver he was compared to CJ. So, in Ryder’s case, he wanted to replace CJ while he was gone, and was disgruntled that CJ made a comeback

Smoke chose chicken, knowing that the Ballas were gonna pull up on them at Cluckin' Bell. I also feel like he deliberately took a massive order to perfectly time the arrival of the Ballas

@KyyaJoon

Жыл бұрын

SMOKE WAS ORDERING EVERYONES FOOD, THAT BIG ORDER WASNT ALL OF SMOKES BUT YEAH I DO FEEL HE SET THE WHOLE THING UP BECAUSE HE DIDNT SHOOT BACK AND HE WAS COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO EAT HIS MEAL WITH ALL THAT GOING ON

@HeavyWeapon858

Жыл бұрын

I agree with Clay. Because an order that long can take up some time for the ballas to show up. More than likely he had contacted some time before and ordered to do another drive by. But, due to the incompetence of the Ballas again, couldn't get the job done like they were told to.

@KyyaJoon

Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyWeapon858 BUT SMOKE ASKED EVERYONE WHAT THEY WANTED TO EAT AND ORDERED WHAT THEY ASKED FOR, NOT SAYING HE DIDN'T SET THEN UP JUST SAYING HE ORDERED WHAT THEY ASKED FOR

@HeavyWeapon858

Жыл бұрын

@@KyyaJoon Hey bro, you should probably turn off your caps lock. Not to mention, you must've not been paying attention to the cut scene. Everyone else ordered food for themselves and they were perplexed because of Big Smoke's order. Someone I know that is even bigger than big smoke has ordered that amount of food for themselves. Tbh it's a disgusting amount of food to eat.

@KyyaJoon

Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyWeapon858 NO THEY DIDNT, AND I DONT HAVE TO DO NOTHING, MAYBE YOU MISSED THE CUT SCENE BECAUSE HE ORDERED EVERYONE'S FOOD. GO BACK AND WATCH IT FOR YOURSELF SMOKE ORDERED 3 MEALS FOR HIMSELF AND THE REST WERE RYDAS, CJS AND SWEATS

The way tenpenny disregarded Pulaski when he called him pal just show how little care and respect tenpenny has for him and people that work with him cj was right when he told pulaski that tenpenny is just going to kill him off considering he left him alone with cj and hernandez who almost jumped him but got shot giving cj a window to kill pulaski

@giasaleen2

Жыл бұрын

Yep, even though Big Smoke was all for himself and willing to sabotage his friendships, Tenpenny was willing to do the same, but at higher risks. Tenpenny would’ve definitely threw Pulaski under the bus once he got whatever he wanted, he just needed some leverage that’ll help him up until he was satisfied.

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

​@@giasaleen2 It's stupid. These criminals really think they can rule the world without friends? Ha ha ha ha ha. I'm sorry but they are funny.

@notveryintelligent6239

Жыл бұрын

Tenpenny makes Big Smoke look like an angel

@Carissa-KsiezniczkaCalixu

8 ай бұрын

Since Pulaski is the same scumbag. I think that Tenpenny would not betray him.

@TreyBeSpittin

7 ай бұрын

nah, there's zero honor in business like that Pulaski would've gotten the same treatment tenpenny is a raging narcissist he's only out for self-gain. @@Carissa-KsiezniczkaCalixu

I wish Ryder's, Niko's, and Tommy's voice actor's never quit. Ryder and CJ would have teammed up together in the end, taking down all the Ballas and Vagos.

@icywinx861

Жыл бұрын

Maybe in Rebot.

@mw5803

Жыл бұрын

Tommy vercettis voice actor never quit if im correct, rockstar just thought that he was a pain in the ass to work with

@GuyElbaz_king_of_the_world

Жыл бұрын

Even CJ's VA hates rockstar now

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

​@@GuyElbaz_king_of_the_worldye that was 3 yrs ago they got into a beef but ye it's crazy how it went down

@regularsnippets

Жыл бұрын

MC Eiht (Ryder's VA) quitting is false He's still in good terms with Rockstar and he did help make GTA V's theme song. And used some of his songs in the game including his song "Straight Up Menace" (which was also used in the movie Menace to Society) in the West Coast Classics Radio Station.

14:44 When CJ is driving Smoke back home, Smoke says "If you can eat your food while everybody else is losing theirs and blaming you, you straight, homie". This is a parody of the poem "If-" by Rudyard Kipling in which he writes "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you".

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

That's like getting money while everybody blowing they money

As much as I hated Tenpenny, he did have a point, just because you've known someone for a long time, it don't mean they'll stay loyal to their friends. Todays friends could be your enemies tomorrow and I'd say that this game shows that quite well.

@jacobrivera1721

2 ай бұрын

Fact

Why do you think that Big Smoke initially said to CJ, when they saw the SWAT teams ambush the Jefferson motel "Carl, get back in, we outta here baby!". Was Smoke thinking about getting CJ killed someplace else, or was he tinking about getting back to the hood and letting Sweet get killed and then making CJ the gang's new leader and trying to convince him to enter the drug business, like he wanted Sweet to do in the Introduction? Or was it just a developer oversight?

@EdyAlbertoMSGT3

Жыл бұрын

Your options entail either killing off the protagonist, or killing off Sweet. Doing either would probably have ruined the story, by removing very important characters and "snitching" on Smoke's betrayal. The plan, as it seems, was for the betrayal to be subtle for first-time players. Now, i cannot make a in-universe explanation, but my point is that your ideas would've ruined the story.

@kingdomcome3914

7 ай бұрын

I think Smoke came back to rescue CJ because knowing the capabilities of CJ, he would easily get him and his brother to safety, it would have drawn major suspicion to Ryder and Smoke.

@Pickledfeet165

6 ай бұрын

I can see where Sweet getting killed there is a more viable option. I disagree with the comment that says it ruins the plot. If Sweet gets killed then CJ now spends the rest of the story finding out how the police got tipped off, and what Smoke knew about it. I think it would enhance the story, BUT Sweet’s character moves the plot along. Without Sweet, Carl doesn’t have an incentive to return to Los Santos except to kill Tenpenny and Smoke. After killing them, he’d go back to Las Venturas and run the casinos.

I'm not gonna lie, in the End of the Line cutscene when CJ sees smoke ranting on and on about "fuck the world", "I can't be touched" and even when CJ asks what happened to him and he just replies; " What the fuck do you care?" To me it seems like Smoke was still struggling betraying his gang and his family in the deepest part of his heart. I mean he was even crying and pleading with Tenpenny on the phone when he told him he had to kill Sweet, they grew up together. Yeah he wanted everything to go his way, but I personally think that at the end of the day, his betrayal not only affected his family but also his moral standards as well. So he was probably hurt. It doesn't change what he did, but to me it just seems like he became part of the system, another statistic.

@princesslyna1029

Жыл бұрын

Maybe if Sweet cared more about getting his gang stronger. Smoke would never betray him.

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@EdyAlbertoMSGT3

Жыл бұрын

@@princesslyna1029 Incorrect. It was either "get in the crack bussiness" or "stay where they are". Sweet lacked options, as his gang was falling apart due in-fighting combined with rival gangs choosing the crack and becoming powerful.

@dynhoyw

2 ай бұрын

@@princesslyna1029 i disagree. as such, i disliked your comment.

90 minutes of lore by the professional? What a treat

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

👍🏽

@ortiz8769

Жыл бұрын

Not really he repeated his video if you didn't notice

@uglyclownface9216

6 ай бұрын

I hope this is sarcasm because his voice makes me think I have tinnitus

@TragicGFuel

5 ай бұрын

@@uglyclownface9216 cmon man, don't criticise people for something they cannot change. The video content is actually so good!

@uglyclownface9216

5 ай бұрын

@@TragicGFuel but I did , and I will again. And when he tries to explain gang culture while he lives in the burbs . There’s so much In this video he tries to explain that is simply wrong because he just doesn’t understand. Like at the funeral argument where Ryder and smoke are in the background . That happens all the time where I’m from . You mind your own business it’s not their place to speak they’re not whispering they’re minding their own business

1 hour of GTA San Andreas lore content, sounds like heaven.

@wayneartis1030

Жыл бұрын

Hey victor how are you doing today

@lspdcop

Жыл бұрын

@@wayneartis1030 I'm doing just fine, thanks for asking.

@ITSSIRWAN86

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

It's one of the heavens.

34:41 still cracks me up to this day lmao, Lazlow calling OG Loc "OGLOCK" never gets old

I knew something was up with Big Smoke after when I did the mission "Drive Thru" I kept asking "why wasn't he shooting?" I always suspected he was hidding something and now after watching this video I understand why he did it.

@theoutsiderjess4869

Жыл бұрын

It was righ there but it also felt plausible that he was "hungry" as well

@Nuniixo

Жыл бұрын

I chalked it up as him eating at that moment

@jasonrandom372

Жыл бұрын

Only sweet was shooting but not Big Smoke or Ryder.

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

He kept tryna change the subject cuz of dat chicken

@indestructible247

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonrandom372 ryder was shooting

This game is 19 years old and Patrick is still teaching me things I didn’t know about.

@uglyclownface9216

6 ай бұрын

Of course his name is Patrick this red haired white boy who thinks he knows gang culture from his suburbs in the hills 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

Personally I think that when smoke said “I had no choice” he didn’t meant that he was forced, he meant that his entire live he lived in poverty, without opportunity and barely scrapping by, he might be under boss of a gang… but the gang is extremely poor, sweet was happy how he was but smoke wasn’t willing to live his entire live like that. Even when he went to sweet in the introduction to convince him to deal in drugs he says “this is the biggest money making opportunity that guys like us will ever see” Basically, smoke choice was either to continue being poor for the rest of his life and watch how the gang he leads eventually fades, or get rich and leave his mark on the world. I think that smoke wanted sweet to be part of the operation, but tempenny knew that would end in failure, and he was right because sweet didn’t had interest in dealing in drugs. Tempenny simply wanted smoke to kill him and get it over with, but smoke would rather want to sweet to join in, so tempenny got more and more angry over his failure of killing sweet already. At least he got ryder on the conspiracy. I think smoke never tried to convince CJ because he wasn’t leader on the gang yet, he was just trying to get the respect back, so would be a waste of time to recruit him. Plus CJ shares the same anti drug mindset of his brother, so it would be imposible to convince him either, specially because he tries to gain the approval of sweet, so dealing in drugs was out of tue question for CJ.

@ramonayala7647

Жыл бұрын

Since you mention it, I think GTA SA is about what you're talking about. Sweet is a person with principles, but he is a defender of the status quo. For Sweet, selling drugs is wrong, but stealing and committing other crimes is fine and he considers it a more or less honest way of living. Big Smoke is at the other end of the rope. Smoke is Machiavellian, for him everything is fine as long as you can get something out. Despite seeming like someone very intelligent, it seems that he did not realize that the true antagonist, Tenpenny, only used him to make him the "boss" of a criminal empire that, ironically, is a prisoner of his own empire. Alone and with no one to trust. Sweet tells OG Loc to study and get ahead as a person, but it is advice that does not apply to himself, he believes that ghetto life is fine. Big Smoke believes, instead, in finding your "potential" and exploiting it, seizing every opportunity to get ahead even if it means harming others, including friends. CJ knows that ghetto life is not life. Stealing to feed your family is noble up to a point, yes, but it's not something to be proud of or brag about. CJ is not a saint, he knows that, but life is like that, sometimes you have to make difficult decisions that will not always be good in the literal sense of the words. As they say around there, you can't make a cake without breaking some eggs. But CJ also knows that you can't go through life playing the opportunist all your life. Taking the fast path can get you to the finish line, but it can also cause you to lose control and crash on the road. That's why I think that out of the three, CJ's philosophy of life is the best in the context of the game. You can't live in the ghetto forever, not like that. But you also can't live like a treacherous and opportunistic rat and expect everything to work out. You have to get ahead in your life in the best way possible, with the means you have, and with your friends and family and your very high principles.

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

I would do many things to be rich but I am not a fool like Smoke. I would not betray my friends. Betrayal is stupid game for stupid people.

@indestructible247

Жыл бұрын

@@icyxi i'm sure if you and your friends were caught stealing someone's shit, you would completely break down and sell your friends out. don't act like you wouldn't sell your friends out for some reason especially if they were gang bangers or drug dealers. i have never been in the game but i know damn sure i would snitch on my friends to get the heat off me

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

@@indestructible247 I would never live like that because I am not stupid to live like that.

@indestructible247

Жыл бұрын

@@icyxi lets say you were born into that life. wouldn't you betray your criminal friends to leave it or at least live a nicer life?

T Bone preventing Toreno from shooting CJ only to threaten CJ as a joke in the next mission I think T-Bone was impressed and didn't want CJ dead for a minor character he is interesting and kind of terrifying

@Mr.PR2000

Жыл бұрын

Kinda disappointed that T-bone didn’t have a huge role he was intimidating .. He was voiced by Kid Frost too which help cause he had a cool ass voice.

@mattmedrala1947

Жыл бұрын

I always thought that if they had ever made a San Andreas Stories, T-Bone would have been the best candidate for protagonist. The game could have shown how he enforced the power of the Loco Syndicate across the whole state.

@Mr.PR2000

Жыл бұрын

@@mattmedrala1947 Sounds tuff 🔥🔥🔥 Tho kid frost would have to be available for that.

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

T Bone I will say was intimidating n knew cj had connections to keep him alive but if he tried to kill him it wouldnt be so gud

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

At least T-Bonis was smarter than Jizzis.

Additionally, Hernandez is the only one who goes by the book during the traffic stops we see. Weapon drawn, in cover behind the police cruiser's door.

@AverageBucketGuy

Жыл бұрын

He is also supposed to be the guy that told Cesar about Big Smoke’s Money The Yay Business of the Loco Syndicate and the Green Sabre at the dope spot

@Zoom12002

Жыл бұрын

Exactly why pulaski and tenpenny murdered him.

I played San Andreas multiple times to understand Big Smoke’s betrayal, but there are some parts that confuses me and luckily I finally understand it thanks to your lore video. You’re amazing, Pro!!!

The theory on MC Eiht (Ryder's VA) is false He's still in good terms with Rockstar and he did helped make GTA V's theme song Also, I can only assume Rockstar just don't have that much lines for Ryder and only for the Pier mission

@wesleylayson9329

Жыл бұрын

MC Eiht literally said that was all Rockstar asked him to do

@abluecar5375

Жыл бұрын

@@wesleylayson9329 Exactly He didn't shit talk Rockstar at all, and no mentions of him complaining about his pay

@wesleylayson9329

Жыл бұрын

​@@abluecar5375it was debunked on a Reddit post when someone asked him about it

@jaski4022

Жыл бұрын

then there's no reason for ryder's rushed story, lol. they make it suck on purpose, with no foreshadowing about his betrayal at all.

@regularsnippets

Жыл бұрын

They also use his song "Straight Up Menace" (which was also used in the movie Menace to Society) in the West Coast Classics Radio Station in GTA 5.

You picked the right lore video, scholar!

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

Lollll

Smoke's suspicious traits already evident since the introduction

@reddsmoke904

Жыл бұрын

Prolly why they didn't show it until after SA originally came out.

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

Ye I guess the introduction gave a better understanding of his plans n sweet seemed more in depth when he heard about smokes plans I think the introduction is more specific letting us know that they were involved

@aethernity8270

5 ай бұрын

But as a kid playing the game back then i couldn't get most of those things notice

“Everybody blast fools first and ask questions second.” That line somehow is more dark today then it was when the game released

1:11:20 I knew about this about Big Smoke throwing his bat at the photo frame that this looks disrespectful. By the way, if you're still wondering about why CJ returns working for Tenpenny after Toreno got his problems under control. I'm pretty sure CJ was planning to get rid of Pulaski before he can kill Tenpenny sooner because the way how he said in the final mission "so was it like, Tenpenny? All alone. Nobody got your back. Sucks, huh?". That's my theory about it.

Hey Patrick, just wanted to thank you for the effort you go for your Lore videos, playthroughts etc. Your channel (in my opinion) is like a classic channel, one that you appreciate due to the honesty of it and its creator. Take care buddy and have a great day.

@Patel-Chirag-Gupta

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I can deffo see Patrick becoming a go-to source for rockstar games lore. Such detail. 🤝💜

@realmustangboy6437

Жыл бұрын

True

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

Definitelee

@BloodThirstyAvengers

8 ай бұрын

On top of that, most of his vids I've seen also have fundraisers. Not only is he insightful and entertaining, he's also charitable.

@MadfellaDuke

4 ай бұрын

I know right? How he presents the lore in the videos makes it so interesting

What about at the end where smoke says " look at you, you got the whole world. I ain't got no regrets." Does this not mean that smoke had in some way knew what cj had been up to?

@savagegod8555

Жыл бұрын

Yes remember how Cesar told cj that he was a hero in Ls and leone told ch that everyone was talking about what he did in liberty city

“Ohg Lock”😂😂 that radio interview always kills me 😭😭😭

Your San Andreas lore videos are literally what a San Andreas Stories game could've been had it ever happened. We got LC Stories and even VC Stories but never San Andreas. A prequel to San Andreas would've been dope. It could've touched upon how the feud between Grove Street and the Ballas began, CJ's first interactions with CRASH and possibly end with CJ leaving for Liberty City after Brian's death.

@SonicEXEProductions

Жыл бұрын

I like your thinking, but then it would need Ryder, and the actor won’t come back due to pay

@dicloniusgames

Жыл бұрын

@@SonicEXEProductions And that sucks too. A lot of the SA lore videos Professional does could've been answered with San Andreas Stories had not only Rockstar been interested in doing it, but if Ryder's VA like you said would come back. Did he feel he not get paid enough compared to other VA's? Heck, if he could find evidence within the game, Pro could make a lore video on how CRASH got started to begin with and why Tenpenny & Pulaski became rogue cops or if they were always like this.

@drjonesey5

Жыл бұрын

@@SonicEXEProductions Just use another actor, problem solved.

@indestructible247

Жыл бұрын

@@SonicEXEProductions it was not because of pay or any dispute whatsoever because he comes back to assist in making a song for gta 5

@SonicEXEProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@indestructible247 well there is this other theory where that’s all the voice acting Rockstar wanted him to do but I don’t believe it, maybe he just had something to do and rockstar thought he quit?

It is also hinted at multiple times especially in the beginning that big smoke killed cjs mom for example when cj entered his family home after coming to Grove for this first time in years,Smoke was in the kitchen doing lord knows what,And when he told cj to go meet with the family at the cemetery,he throws his bat on cj's mother portrait in which Rockstar hints early on big smoke would betray Cj and possibly killed his mom.Also multiple times early on during the game whenever cj tried asking sweet about what happened to his mom and smoke was with them,he always tried to change the subject.

@MrBronx61

Жыл бұрын

I also believe Smoke was waiting in the Johnson house to ambush Sweet when he came back from the funeral. He wasn't expecting CJ to show up.

@philthyrich007

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBronx61 I always wondered wtf he was doing in there

@MrBronx61

Жыл бұрын

@@philthyrich007 It's the most logical explanation I can think of.

@RyanRodrigues

Жыл бұрын

This one and a half hour video explains the entire lore behind smoke and this guy is still saying Big Smoke killed CJ's Mom 🤦‍♂️

@TrueRem

Жыл бұрын

@@RyanRodrigues maybe if u used your brain you would realise that I was simply giving my own thoughts on what I know,I made this comment before watching this video and 30 people agreed with me,bring your negativity elsewhere.

Smoke had Kendl be a target too because she was a loose end. Simple as that. She was always going to be in contact with her brothers. Smoke couldn't risk anything.

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

Like for real? Kendl is nobody. When I played in San Andreas I would forget about her if Cesar and CJ would not talk about her.

@EdyAlbertoMSGT3

Жыл бұрын

@@icyxi He was paranoid. Sometimes nobodies can make something out of nothing. Specially with the right contacts.

One lil detail I like is how CJ questions attacking the Ballas at the funeral. He doesn't straight up protest the idea but it's clear he doesn't like it. He has principles, even when it comes to his enemies. At least that's how I interpreted it.

Sweet in some way is similar to Lamar from GTA 5. Both have this mentality "you grow up in the hood you die in the hood". Both give CJ and Franklin a lot of crap only difference is that Franklin actually calls Lamar out on his crap. Both value loyalty like Lamar may be an idiot but he's not selfish he's not a traitor he has your back throughout and Sweet may be a pain in the neck at times but he's trustworthy and he's not easily corrupted. When it comes to GTA characters that are trustworthy Sweet and Lamar are on that list.

@icywinx861

Жыл бұрын

Maybe but being trustworthy doesn't make you good if you bring troubles on others like Sweet and Lamar.

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

They are both stupid. I kinda feel sorry for CJ. He is around by fools.

@indestructible247

Жыл бұрын

lamar and sweet aren't that trustworthy. i mean sure they won't ever betray their friends but they simply can not be trusted with making sure they aren't walking into a trap because they are too foolish

@b.a.m.mdoublem1196

Жыл бұрын

@@indestructible247 you got that right I mean while Big Smoke was plotting behind his back Sweet suspected nothing and Lamar each time he trusted Stretch he walked into a trap and nearly got himself killed each time then Franklin had to save the day each time so yeah they are foolish.

Frank Tenpenny does enjoy being rough on the gangsters in Los Santos. He knows he can directly confront them knowing they cant do anything back at him. For Dimtri, he seemed to avoid any direct confrontation with Niko after his betrayal of Niko.

@jasondyrkacz8270

4 ай бұрын

Dimitri likely soils himself after Niko shows up on the Platypus.

Big Smoke always had a greedy reason to betray CJ. Even if Tenpenny is not in the picture, he would still do it for power, let alone find any chance of ruling Los Santos

@Carissa-KsiezniczkaCalixu

8 ай бұрын

I think he would let CJ join him. Sweet kinda caused his betrayal.

@theyapconnoisseur

3 ай бұрын

"a greedy reason"? how can a reason be greedy?

Smoke talking about his success in the drug trade shows he has no remorse at all. Now, I want to give my analysis on a major SA character. Anyone who enjoyed my analysis, please drop a like so that even Pro sees this himself. I think I am the only commentator who has ever done a lore analysis, I hope everyone sees it including Pro. I had to play the game 3 times and watch the cutscenes and conversations very carefully to understand his intentions. So, my analysis is focused on Ryder, one of CJ's childhood friends who he ends up betraying(or so it seems). I will be explaining what I mean about this, through the questions that a lot of people ask like: Ryder was never meant to be a main villain, other people support this claim by saying there are no hidden signs that he would backstab GSF, whereas other people contradict it by saying there are. After playing through the game, I've found out the things which look like hidden signs aren't actually so. So I am going answer all the misconceptions about Ryder. So let's get started: Ryder was born somewhere in 1967 or 1968 in Ganton at Grove Street. During his early days, he met CJ, Sweet, Big Smoke and Jeffrey(OG Loc), and they became the best of friends. Ryder joined the Families gang at some point and became a drug dealer when he was 10 years old. He had once assaulted a teacher for wearing purple, the color representing Ballas, GSF's main rivals, which shows his wild and unpredictable nature, even though he claims he was too intelligent for it, as he was using drugs, which shows he was also delusional at times. Speaking of drugs, we see that in Ryder's missions: we see him looking for something called "water". Many people are wondering what water is. The water here, is a slang term used for the drug PCP, which shows he has also been using drugs apart from selling it. Many people think that GSF do not sell drugs, which is actually false. They do sell drugs which are less lethal, like marijuana and PCP. But they don't profit much from it, and even Big Smoke tries to convince Sweet to start selling more potent drugs, like crack cocaine, which the Ballas do. But Sweet's morals prevents him from doing so, as he believes crack destroys neighborhoods, which he is right. Ryder eventually worked his way up in the gang and become one of Sweet's closest allies. By 1987, the crack influence in Los Santos had increased and GSF stated to decline, whereas the Ballas and a new gang, the Vagos, got rich from selling crack. CJ and Sweet's younger brother, Brian died in a Ballas attack. While it is unknown how he died, the only thing known was he was seen last with CJ. Sweet blamed CJ for Brian's death, and a disappointed CJ leaves Los Santos to start a new life in Liberty City. At some point between 1987 and 1992, Big Smoke tries to convince Sweet to start selling crack, but he refuses again, which is noticed by Tenpenny, the head of a corrupt police force called CRASH, who wanted to open a massive drug ring in Los Santos, but to do so, he needed the help of all three street gangs: Ballas, Vagos and the GSF. Since Tenpenny knew Sweet was against crack, he convinces Smoke to get GSF into the crack business after he gets Sweet killed, which Smoke agrees to, as he was the underboss. After this, Smoke visits Ryder, whom he tries to convince to join the crack trade with him. Ryder seemingly agrees to it, but I don't think he was actually ready to do so, because he utterly despised crack, which he confirms, after they fail to recruit B Dup. But eventually, Tenpenny sends three Ballas to Grove Strret in a green sabre to do a drive-by and kill Sweet. But they end up killing his mother, thus triggering Carl's return to Los Santos. After he returns to Grove Street, it is seen that Ryder isn't exactly happy with his return, as he had left the place without informing any of them., and would often display this act of hostility. People wonder why was Ryder so mean to CJ? It was because he was angry at CJ for abandoning Grove Street. If you noticed, this is the exact same attitude Sweet had with CJ early on. The only person who didn't care was Smoke, because he wanted CJ to stay out of Los Santos, so that he could take over GSF easily. You guys see my point? Both Sweet and Ryder were acting like this towards CJ because they were mad at him, because he left them when GSF needed him the most, but they eventually grew to respect CJ again. And at times, Ryder did throw insults at CJ and teased him for his driving, but it was all meant in fun, despite what people think. And on top of that, I've noticed that CJ likes being with Ryder more than anyone else. He just coudn't stand Ryder's drug habit. So now that we have Ryder's entire backstory and character explained, I will now come to the main point that a lot of people say that he was never meant to betray CJ and Sweet, and yes, despite seemingly doing so, he never betrayed GSF, because of many reasons. Many people say that just like Big Smoke, there are signs that Ryder would betray CJ, something which I firmly disagree. So let's get started on the roots of his betrayal: There are several seemingly hidden signs. Let's look at these and I will explain how these aren't actually hidden signs. So starting off with: 1)False proof of his betrayal:Now I will go to the main reason. No one mentioned Ryder during his betrayal scene. No one. It was like he was invisible. During the green sabre mission, after going to the intersection, he mentions Smoke conspiring with CRASH and Ballas, but doesn't mention Ryder. It's like Sweet didn't even know Ryder betrayed the crew. During King in Exile cutscene, the trio talk about Smoke, Tenpenny and Pulaski but not Ryder. Another proof of mine that Ryder didn't betray anyone was of a few reasons: i)Ryder lives in Grove Street, whereas Big Smoke lives in Idlewood ii)Ryder attended Beverly Johnson's funeral, whereas Big Smoke did not iii)During Drive Thru, Ryder also shares his knowledge of the presence of a green sabre during Beverly's murder, but Smoke tries to avoid the conversation. Also when the Ballas drive towards Grove Street in the same mission, CJ,Sweet and Ryder open fire at them, whereas Smoke does not. Ryder also gets confused and angry on why Smoke didn't shoot the Ballas. iv)All of Ryder's missions benefitted Grove Street, whereas Smoke's missions did not CJ, unfortunately, didn't give Ryder a chance to explain himself and killed him immediately, whereas for Big Smoke, he gave him plenty of time to explain why he betrayed Grove Street. 2)His aggressive behavior: It's just like I said in my character explanation, he was hostile towards CJ because he was mad at him for leaving Grove Street, but grew to respect him again 3)Ryder running away: When you wake the army veteran in Robbing Uncle Sam and when the cops invade the motel, he runs away. People consider this a sign of betrayal, but it's not. The reason he ran away was because was paranoid of the situations. During Reuniting the Families, he simply didn't trust the other sets, because they were hostile towards GSF when CJ was in Liberty City. The other sets were allies of the Ballas, and they would get drugs from Ballas. He was also scared of the heat they were getting in both the situations, that's why he runs away. 4)In House Party:During the mission House Party, the Ballas launch an attack on Grove Street, in retaliation for capturing Glen Park. Ryder says he will come with backup, but he never returns. Pro said this is a sign of betrayal, but I disagree, because who says he didn't return? I had to think about this very carefully. Ryder probably did return with backup, but just after the fight was over, because if he never returned, Sweet and CJ would question him where he disappeared? 5)Cesar's mention of Ryder: After CJ kills Ryder in the mission Pier 69, he was in a complete wrecked state for killing Ryder and was full of regret. And that's when Cesar tells him that Ryder once tried to bang Kendl. This is also a false sign, because Cesar was lying about Ryder to make Carl better, that's all. He didn't want CJ to think about Ryder anymore, because they already had a lot of other things to worry about. Think about it, if Ryder really did try to mess with Kendl, do you really think Sweet or Cesar would just ignore that? Ryder would have been dead immediately, we have all seen how overprotective Sweet is, just like how Tony Montana is overprotective of his sister Gina. The sad thing is this is the last time we ever hear about Ryder in the story, after this he vanishes from everyone's memory in the game. A lot of people are wondering to this day: why Ryder became an antagonist later when he wasn't supposed to betray anyone? That is an answer only Ryder's voice actor and Rockstar knows. Something must have gone bad between MC Eiht(Ryder's voice actor) and Rockstar, but what? Like I said, we will never know. They had an issue like this with Ray Liotta and Michael Hollick(voice actors of Tommy Vercetti and Niko Bellic, respectively), because they got underpaid. That's probably what ended up happening with MC Eiht, so he left the job and Rockstar returns the favor by killing his character. And finally I state my theory on how Ryder's character should have ended: During the Green Sabre mission, Ryder should have accompanied CJ to witness Big Smoke's betrayal, then both should have gone to help Sweet and Ryder dies in the crossfire. Like that, even though he dies, it would look like he gave his life for the Grove, which he actually did. That's how his character should have ended, in my opinion. He was a good character who went out as a traitor, thanks to bad writing. But I hope everyone enjoyed this character analysis. I wanted to make this because a lot of people didn't understand Ryder and his intentions for the Grove. I hope this explained everything and cleared all the misconceptions.

@Fisher_industry

Жыл бұрын

👌

And also kind of another similar thing too is that when Smoke gets extremely paranoid and making Kendal a target, that was also similar to Salvatore and his paranoia when he almost had Toni killed in the cutscene Driving Mr. Leone and in gta 3 when he tried to have Claude killed even though he was never a threat at all.

I will never understand why Ryder is almost entirely ignored during the topic of Smoke's betrayal. Like why did he become an unimportant character all of a sudden? Also, Professional, Ryder's voice actor didn't really have any disputes with Rockstar. He was most likely just simply busier with music and Rockstar just simply had no idea what the character's future role should be since he would have no further dialogue.

@dagroundbreaka

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. You people really need to kill the rumors that MC Eiht had any disputes with R*. Because this has been confirmed otherwise.

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

So Rockstar clearly just ruined Ryder wow. Ruining things is Rockstar thing. They always needs to ruin something.

Small tip for knowing then someone is about to betray you in real life. If they are suddenly starting to be disrepectful and questioning you. Especially if it happens in a tough situation you could sense that someone is going to betray you and leave you to die.

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

I have very good instict. I can see betrayal in people but thank you for advice. I am always open for tips.

@sirfanatical8763

Жыл бұрын

@@icyxi how do you see betrayal?

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

@@sirfanatical8763 With guys like Dimitri it's simple. He is a crime boss. It's obvious that I can't trust him. If I was Niko I would not trust no one in this world. Besides guys can't be that good manipulators. It's easy for me to tell when they might betrayal me. Like they would like me to do something bad with them and I already know that I can't trust him. I don't trust many people because I live in dangerous world where someone can hurt me but I'm not gonna let them. I am smarter.

@BLACKSTA361

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but could you see betrayal in advance for you're in live with someone for example your girlfriend?

@sirfanatical8763

Жыл бұрын

@@BLACKSTA361 I can't give you much on that bc I'm usually the one to fuck up relationships. But I guess if there is a new man in her life and she starts displaying the signs mentioned above I would be worried.

Next you should do a lore video about Brian Johnson, CJ's dead brother explaining how he died

Another thing about the Ballas drive by on the Grove Street OG’s is that Big Smoke may have been buying time for the Ballas with the long order to roll up on them because they were out in a corner spot and totally exposed to the street where they could’ve been easily killed.

@MrSAUCEGOD

Жыл бұрын

Prolly since they all had connections to tenpenny over that crack money

@PBL187

Жыл бұрын

Also, he would hardly put himself in the firing line. Those ballas either didn’t know about Smoke, or got fed up waiting for Smoke to pop the Johnson brothers so they decided to try and take them all out, even if it meant killing Smoke

@KyyaJoon

Жыл бұрын

SMOKE WAS ORDERING EVERYONES FOOD, THAT WASNT ALL HIS ORDER

@EdyAlbertoMSGT3

Жыл бұрын

@@KyyaJoon Calm down, angry boy.

@romasliv

17 күн бұрын

In the military that action of smoke not shooting would be considered treason.

Perfect lore video man! It makes someone appreciate the story in this game even more.

Aside from GTA 6, Rockstar needs to put out San Andreas Stories, where we play as Brian and see his perspective of Grove Street Families and who Beverly Johnson really was. All of the years when CJ was in Liberty City to see what Brian was like, how he did things, and the events that led up to his death along with his mother.

@dre3425

Жыл бұрын

THIS!!!!!

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

No. I would prefer new story with new characters.

@danielvarga8178

8 ай бұрын

Yall dont realise Brian was about 16-7yrs old at most when he was killed

@imdebaws3715

3 ай бұрын

​@@icyxi who cares about you

I always look forward to your lore videos because they are informative as always

These lore videos are very helpful and give me a lot of information that I didn't even know about. Thank you Pro, for giving us your amazing lore videos and keep up the good work.

The lore videos keep getting better and better! Keep at my dude you deserve it

Now I firmly believe that Smoke was in the house waiting for Sweet so he could kill him and Blame it on CJ but CJ got there first.

@SiIhou

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it’s probably because Tenpenny told him so he waited for Sweet to go home and make it look like if CJ and Sweet got into a fight

@alexgarcia3224

Жыл бұрын

I think he wasn’t going to blame CJ, but the ballas since smoke didn’t expect CJ to come home so early

@buhamut66

Жыл бұрын

@Alex Garcia that makes sense 🤔 CRASH knew he was home so what's stopping them from driving to Smoke and tipping him off or even calling him.

Another observation about the “Drive Thru” mission. Everybody loves Big Smokes truly iconic, hilarious and legendary food order, but in hindsight I see it as a foreshadowing of Big Smokes deeper issues. That cutscene was symbolic of how Big Smoke was spending his life trying to fill a hole that had NO bottom. He attempted to fill that void with money, power, fame, “success”, or as we could see, food, but to no avail. In the end, all that food, money, fame, power and “success” led to his demise. The Big Smoke character (and San Andreas story in general) is the timeless cautionary tale about how if a man leaves his sinful desires and passions unchecked, it will wreak loss, sorrow, emptiness and eventual ruin on his life. This is in contrast to CJ, who was able to achieve what Big Smoke sought by committing to (at least in the realm of criminals) family, honor, principles, respect and hard work. This is what makes San Andreas in my opinion the best GTA of all time, and one of my personal favorite video games of all time.

Big smoke busted the picture frame of momma Johnson in CJ's house by dropping the baseball bat on it, on purpose. That is when I knew Smoke was a traitor

@elperrodelautumo7511

Жыл бұрын

True foreshadowing

@SupportGamin2024

5 күн бұрын

Oh stop the cap,you didn't see big smoke being a traitor the first time you played the Game

57:51 I know I’m 6 months late but I just wanted to say I do appreciate your use of cutscenes to reinforce your statements . It’s a great way for the average viewer to understand your points and to understand the characters you are analyzing . Keep up the great work 👍🏾

Amazing video. You really broke down his character. When I played the game for the first time, I was young and naive, so I just thought Tennpenny forced him to do it because he was originally on our side, was nice to us, and the memes online at the time. But playing through the game more times, I realized more and more that he did it for himself. And your video made me realize what a terrible person he was. He sold his old friends out to get rich, powerful, and famous by destroying the hood through crack and joining the Ballas. He looked out for himself, had no loyalty or respect to anyone besides himself, and used people for his own personal gain, like he did to Ryder and tried to do to CJ. And the fact hints were spread out from the very beginning and are easy for players to miss if they don’t break it down was an incredible detail the devs put in.

This channel is a gift that keeps on giving. Top work as always Pro ❤

Respect for how he put hours and hours just for us to enjoy! I hope you reach 10 million!

@nicholasdiaz9424

5 ай бұрын

Dayum! Respect!

One question I've always had is who was leader of the Ballas before Smoke switched sides?, I've never understood how they allowed Smoke to become their boss when he was one of the leaders of the Ballas rivals before Crash got in the picture

@theprofessional155

Жыл бұрын

Go to the time stamp why does Tenpenny have Kane killed I explained that

@jeanpayano1506

Жыл бұрын

​@@theprofessional155 That makes sense looking at it but it stills leaves me with questions tho, Kane was the leader of the Front Yard Ballas so one would think that the leaders of the Kilo Tray and Rolling Heights Ballas would retaliate for that blow to the gang maybe im overthinking it

@jakecharles8742

Жыл бұрын

@@jeanpayano1506 Maybe the kilo tray and the Rollin' heights factions are too weak to retaliate or maybe Kane wasn't complying enough with tenpenny.

@romasliv

17 күн бұрын

They treat Ballas like doll, no personality or even a cutscene, just a common Ballas npcs

46:10 CJ smacking that Grove Street member down inadvertently actually kept him from getting shot and shooting over that desk, perfect cover

Great video! It’s amazing how deep the relationships between the San Andreas characters go

Yet another great lore video by the professional. Thank you very much for making these!

Dude the time and effort you put in these videos is perfect Id hope somewhere down the line rockstar sees all the support you’ve given them and have you apart of it

Always hated when Sweet tells Carl it's not his business to get involved in Kendl's love life, yet he tells her (basically) to break up with Cesar because they (Families and Los Aztecas) are beefing. If it ain't CJ's business, it sure ain't Sweet's business either I do see his way though, CJ has been gone a long time and wants to intervene. To which Sweet kinda says his opinion isn't worth anything.

@Nativemobboss

10 ай бұрын

agree

Here's some thing I read which is beta during the final part of the story, that helped me understand. To begin, after Ryder's death Smoke did cut everybody off including B-Dup, so that CJ never regretted sparing him. But he rejoined to Big Bear, key to helping in the search, who told CJ to go interrogate some Russian Mob gangster after taking over a bunch of turfs. So he did, and It's implied that gangster then told Smoke that CJ was looking for him because of Smoke's line "i knew you were coming". Smoke never planned to kill or confront Carl directly, but his actions screwed him among others up for good. Plus, he was able to get the Johnson brothers to Tenpenny which is who they wanted in the first place. Prior to all that, Smoke never told CJ what he told Ryder in the intro because CJ is the brother of target GSF leader Sweet.

Main reason I subscribed: The lore videos. YOU EXPLAIN THE LORE SO WELL! You made me understand stuff about Smoke's betrayal I never knew about! Great video, man. Keep up the good work on all of your content.

After all of that time waiting for this video. Worth the wait. Great work Pro

Ryder is always my favorite character mostly because his is mostly base of Eazy-e and one of my favorites mission cutscenes is when Ryder is chilling in his back yard listening to ice cube -today is a good day.

@icyxi

Жыл бұрын

My favorite is CJ. I would date this guy.

Just began another playthrough of San andreas last week so this came at the perfect time! Thank you for your content and effort Pro

these videos you been pushing out have been amazing!!! really keep up the good work all these vids should 1M+! i replayed san andreas a dillion times and still never noticed the things you went on in the video! props

Broski I can't get enough of your lore videos. No matter how long I am watching

This is amazing this is why professional is the GOAT of lore videos and gaming commentary ❤

17:43 I think Drive-By with Smoke was a developer oversight. Smoke had no dialogue during the mission at all, only in the end, and even then, the line could've been used for anything. They probably just put Big Smoke there, and either meant for there to be more dialogue with smoke, but didn't record it, or the mission would only be with Ryder and Sweet, but added smoke sometime later in development either way.

@lspdcop

Жыл бұрын

He only has two lines, one of them is "We iced them, CJ, let's hunt down some more" and "Here, take this, go get yourself some beer". That's it, it feels like he was never meant to be there, even in the starting cutscene, only Ryder, CJ and Sweet are shown, no Big Smoke. I think it was probably a late addition to make unsuspecting/first time players have no/less clue(s) that Big Smoke is going to betray the gang.

You worked hard on putting this altogether! I’d say it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played but you helped me specify the story with lotta interest! I liked how you explain each evidence and theory that could make sense, not just us understanding the games story by playing it mission by mission. You are appreciated bro 💯

This video was just great. I never thought about how Ryder's death affected Smoke but it makes sense. It shows that Ryder's death had consequences long after he was killed. Smoke was a very manipulative character. I agree with you that he didn't regret his betrayal - he coulda stopped while he was ahead and tried somehow to redeem himself or say that he is sorry to Carl. But did not, and only cared about his legacy. Sweet may be rude, but I agree with you, he's a great character and is extermely underrated. Sweet has this truth in the face mentality - sometimes he can be a jerk but other times he expresses how he feels. He didn't want the Johnsons to abandon their home to ruin while their friends did the same. This is why he was disgusted with CJ. He felt that Carl had an obligation to the hood. And in my view, he was right, as Carl was a Grove member like Sweet, and everything they've suffered would be for nothing if they abandoned it. Their friends' demise will be in vain. CJ, in the end, showed remorse for his actions because he was hurt over Smoke's betrayal, but realized he was an opportunistic scumbag. I think Smoke is a great character, but at the same time, I think his betrayal, as well as Ryder's because they shared an equal rule in Smoke's actions, are the worst in the GTA Series. Dimitri was never Niko's friend like you said. And on top of that, Smoke and Ryder were CJ and Sweet's friends since they were kids. Also, I think Tenpenny and Smoke wanted to weaken the Russian Mafia because they could demand more money. They were still a key part of the operation. They couldn't afford to have an organized crime syndicate potentially taking over their business. Also, Kane is likely one of the Ballas involved in Beverly's death. It's possible that Tenpenny feared that if he was caught, he would have betrayed him and told Sweet of Tenpenny and Smoke's plans. Also, Little Weseal was likely convinced by Tenpenny to betray the gang. Also, I sort of doubt that Tenpenny has set up the Families. Tenpenny likely planned to use Carl against the case members early on, as he knew that it was being built because Pendelbury was threating to talk. This is why C.R.A.S.H underwent this huge journey across San Andreas, to keep moving. They are mentioned to have disappeared during a WCTR news broadcast as of Meat Business, so they were on the run. My guess is that the police were onto the Families and wanted to stop them, or the ambush was set up by Smoke ratting out the gang. It's possible that apart from being disgraced for abandoning his friends, that Tenpenny wanted to ensure the Johnsons' survival so that they'd use Sweet as leverage over Carl and could use Carl as a hitman or as a hired gun for everything they need because he'd be at no position to turn against them. I sort of expected a Ryder Lore Video but this was a great video nonetheless. I actually didn't expect this.

@waters228_91

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Sweet wasn't a bad character at all. He just had poor character development that made him lose sympathy towards the game's end. He's an empathetic character, but sure as hell ain't sympathetic as a person in the slightest. Meanwhile, Ryder should have just been killed during the Green Sabre mission, because his betrayal was not written well at all.

@justsomeguy747

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@@waters228_91 I think he is sympathetic when you look at the situation from his view. CJ left him and their family, his friends betrayed him and his gang was almost destroyed and he was imprisoned and had nothing. He became broken and had no idea that Carl has freed him. Carl also never gave Sweet any credit for looking after his mother and sister. Sweet felt that Carl was being selfish due to how he abandoned the family before, when they needed him the most. And he was right. The only thing I disagree with him is that he believes that the hood is their home and their only home, but also, I can understand his annoyance with Carl wanting to leave it because of their principles and commitment to the hood. Sweet felt that if they leave the hood for money, they'd become what they hated. Yes, Carl's businesses are better than Smoke's, no question about it, but Sweet felt that abandoning your home that you swore to protect for money makes you a sellout, especially given Carl's loyalty to the gang early on.

@waters228_91

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@@justsomeguy747 Correction: His BACKGROUND is sympathetic. There's a difference. He lost that personal sympathy when he decided to behave so ungrateful towards CJ following his release from prison. Okay, so he had every right to call CJ out in the beginning of the story due to what he did five years ago. I did understand that, and I was with Sweet that one time. But then he behaves so childishly over the hood following his release from prison, and then he becomes hypocritical when right after he calls CJ out for trying to abandon the hood, he gives up on the hood himself and decides to smoke crack a mission afterwards. And then he tells CJ "You been yapping about what you done did... ", even though CJ never even got to tell him what he done did. All I am saying is that Sweet should have been better developed towards the end by actually owning up to his own mistakes and making a compromise with CJ. That way, Sweet would learn his lesson to not drag his brother away from his success and learn to be a better leader. Missed opportunity.

@mitcheltheman1366

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I can honestly say that Sweet, for all his hypocrisy and childishness, still isn't as bad as that narcissistic idiot named Lance Vance.

@backthefuckupoffme9767

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@@justsomeguy747 No matter how childish Sweet actually is, there's at least some empathy towards his past. I'll give him that. Beside, Lance Vance is even worse as a brother.

Incredible Work Professional you're Lore Videos are always absolutely Amazing👍👍👍

I always love seeing these lore videos

Truth's line "That is the surest path to hell, man." describes really well my opinion about Big Smoke's greed and selfishness. He will for sure will get a deep hole in hell....

Thank you for the video, know you've been working hard on this. The way you articulate and explain things is very easy to follow. I appreciate you.

Such a good video mate wow. 10/10, One of few videos I've actually watched fully was brilliant to listen to. Any chance one day you could make a video on what you think happened post-ending? We never got San Andreas Stories but would like to see what you think took place thereafter and how CJ/Sweet died etc.

I love these videos professional please don’t stop making them !!!

Awesome job on this video mate. Cant wait for the next gta lore video!

Hi Professional thanks for making these kind of lore videos I absolutely love hearing stories of people and places described in detail analysis (Y) Keep up the good work (Y)

I love your lore videos. You make me appreciate these games so much more

That was an awesome watch, thank you! Just realised how good and serious the GTA SA story is. Didnt remember it like this when I played it as a kid

Wow so much went over my head the first time i played this, and your in depth analysis opened my eyes to how good this story was and all the precursors i missed! Thanks!!

These videos are well researched and very well put together, idk if people really appreciate the work and effort you put into these, but really, thanks

I love hearing you do lore in these games.

You did a really great job on this Lore video just by simply watching this lore video you taught me some additional things that I didn't even know even though I've played San Andreas more than a few times thank you for being informative and teaching me some new things keep up the great

Everytime i watch professional lore videos I understand way more than when I am playing the game.Good job professional keep up with the great work love u

Man the time you put in these. They never fail to disappoint. Keep it up 👊

Love your lore videos

Smoke also keeps saying the word "choice" Like, he's trying to excuse it to everyone (probably including himself) by saying he had no choice

These lore videos are always pure gold. Thanks man.

Your lore videos are wonderful keep up the good storytelling!

I always belived that Smoke was wearing a wire microphone under his shirt when Sweet was telling everyone in his house where the meeting was at

the poetry that smo0ke reads is actually from a poem named 'If' written by rudyard kipling, the original line is "If u can keep ur head when all about u is losing theirs and blaming it on u" really funny taht rockstar hid this

You deserve more views mate I know ur lore videos takes a long time to make and your editing is very nice 🙂

This is the best gta lore video I ever seen keep it up king 👑