So I think the HD version of the video hasn't processed yet.. Thanks KZread! If you're early it may be a little grainy for which you have my apologies!

@sirsydneysmith8847

3 жыл бұрын

It’s fine

@m2v-animatez

3 жыл бұрын

Will you cover the current separatists in the Ghanian Volta Region

@oj5253

3 жыл бұрын

HD or not Hilbert is Hilbert and I am happy either way

@StefanVeenstra

3 жыл бұрын

Historic Definition.

@newg4515

3 жыл бұрын

i literally watched the video you made over 3 years ago last night thats weird.

Castile = Castle Leon = Lion Makes sense on the flag

@papapepepenultimo

3 жыл бұрын

AKSHUALLY... the name of León doesn´t come from the animal, it is a corruption of the name of a Roman camp in the area, Legio VII Gemina. Extra pedantry bonus: if a coat of arms represents the name of the place, they are called "canting arms" or "rebus."

@papapepepenultimo

3 жыл бұрын

@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ We agree, it does mean lion. But the origin of the name is not that. They have a lion in reference to the name, which itself is a corruption of "Legio." Más claro, agua

@papapepepenultimo

3 жыл бұрын

Hay un sitio cerca de donde vivo que se llama "Helmond". Se le puso ese nombre en referencia al sitio donde está (viene a significar "entrada a un lugar seguro"). Pero, como contiene la palabra "helm" (casco), la bandera presenta un casco. Más o menos el mismo proceso: nombre original-corrupción-bandera.

@papapepepenultimo

3 жыл бұрын

@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ Aclarado, estamos de acuerdo. Y sin insultarnos ni nada, ya ves, esto no parece ni internet...

@neminemtarot9664

3 жыл бұрын

VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE //*//

"The PP Party" Who said politics can't be fun?

@Jose-gc8rl

3 жыл бұрын

The PP party is a bunch of corrupt conservative thieves though...

@Thunder11110

3 жыл бұрын

_🙏PP🙏_

@theunknownpersonism

3 жыл бұрын

@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ pretty sure PSOE and Podemos aren't conservatives.

@crazyhercules9442

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jose-gc8rl it’s a joke bro. You don’t need to make it political. God knows there’s quite enough of that in the world😂😔

@domenstrmsek5625

3 жыл бұрын

@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ Vox are great

I'm Spanish and it is so fucking sad that some guy on the internet who makes content in English is able to explain this matter way too many times better and more accurately and objectively than all media in Spain.

@pablo8286

3 жыл бұрын

Cause our media is supposed to create division

@Francosteiner

2 жыл бұрын

What about his pronounciation? I only speak a little spanish, but sounds to me does speak it rather fluently.

@Manoooolo

Жыл бұрын

@@Francosteiner Indeed, he speaks Spanish very well.

@papapalpatine807

Жыл бұрын

@@Francosteiner his catalan is also farily on point

@papapalpatine807

Жыл бұрын

I'm catalan, and although we may ot agree on some things, I see we agree on the satisfaction on some impartiality on this argument

I want to clarify some things. In the Spanish War of Succession it wasn't just Catalonia that sided with the Austrias, but the entirety of the Crown of Aragon (that being the Kingdom of Aragon, the Principality of Catalonia, the Kingdom of Valencia and the Kingdom of Majorca, as well as its territories outside of modern Spain which were lost after the war) and the Nueva Planta decrees were imposed on all of it, banning not only Catalan but also Aragonese and abolishing the Crown of Aragon along with the fueros, or laws, of its regions and imposing Castilian language and law instead.

@elpaya7775

3 жыл бұрын

Cuán el mal ve d Almansa....

@miguelmartin901

3 жыл бұрын

@@elpaya7775 ...A tots alcança

@cianosullivan2799

3 жыл бұрын

This is really important and often conveniently forgotten by both sides

@elpaya7775

3 жыл бұрын

@@cianosullivan2799 Castille destroyed all in his path of creating Spaim

@cianosullivan2799

3 жыл бұрын

@@elpaya7775 sí, y en Aragón precisamente es donde más ha calado esa ambición destructiva.

ETA deserves a topic. Basques are underrated.

@ktheterkuceder6825

3 жыл бұрын

@@destfirm9053 So what?

@aqpatt4675

3 жыл бұрын

The 80s were hard years for Basque people and Spain in general, those were the times when ETA made almost one attack a week, and people was afraid of everything. On the other hand, the Spanish government take radical measures such as torture or State terrorism (GAL groups). It's still a controversial topic because for example right now there are some ex-terrorists from ETA in a political party called BILDU, that has representation in Spanish parlament and even the government make some accords with them

@oihanlarranegi472

3 жыл бұрын

@@destfirm9053 the original basque nationalism was racist, that's true, but nowadays, that aspect has practically disappeared. Basques are no more racist than any other europeans. In fact, there is a lot of solidarity towards palestinians and saharawis.

@BirdEgg123

3 жыл бұрын

@@ktheterkuceder6825 lol

@Albent

3 жыл бұрын

@@destfirm9053 Saying the Basques are racist is racist.

23:05 Today it's actually the other way around. The rural areas are more keen to independence and the big cities (mostly Barcelona) are skeptical about it. That has to do with the great cultural diversity and the dependence on trade and business of the big metropolis

@aguspuig6615

3 жыл бұрын

man id say barcelona is about as independentist as it gets theres like demonstrations all year

@blacktemplar2323

3 жыл бұрын

@@aguspuig6615 Just because the demonstrations are there doesn't mean the majority of the local population is in support of independence. In fact the majority of the barcelonian population is opposed to independence. The reason so many demonstrations are there is beacause of the fact that it is the regional capital and people from rural areas go there to demonstrate.

@catnaz

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Barcelona is quite diverse, but the pro-independence movement is quite strong there. Now, the suburbs where most of the Spanish workers live, are strongholds for the pro-Spanish voters and also the far right (VOX, Ciudadanos and PP) Anyway, there is quite an interesting situation also happening there... ERC and CUP keep on gaining terrain. Many new pro-independence voters are Spanish-speaking and non-Catalan.

@rodrigomejia953

3 жыл бұрын

Tractoria vs Tabarnia, epic showdown.

@ZetaFuzzMachine

3 жыл бұрын

@@aguspuig6615 @catnaz You guys were saying?? www.rtve.es/noticias/elecciones-catalanas/mapa-resultados-2021/

Your pronunciation is very good! Coming from a catalan

@ikad5229

3 жыл бұрын

His pronunciation is excellent in most languages. I'm always impressed.

@Ethan-qo9rx

3 жыл бұрын

So you approve of him saying “some” Catalans

@The_Soviet_Onion

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ethan-qo9rx it’s some Catalans, not all.

@Ethan-qo9rx

3 жыл бұрын

@@The_Soviet_Onion it’s a clear majority

@The_Soviet_Onion

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ethan-qo9rx I heard a lot of English speaking people say “some” when something is a majority, and i’m not talking only about independence movements, also things as basic as lemons and oranges

Could you do a video about Kurds and Kurdistan next?

I must say, being there, that "mossos d'esquadra" did certainly not just stand by, in fact, they closed more polling stations than both national police and Guardia Civil combined, albeit with far less violence. There is also an error as Jose Miguel arenas doesn't come from Catalonia, he is from Mallorca. Finally PSOE although somewhat opened to pacts on some issues with pro-independence parties, is absolutely opposed to independence and any form of consultation on the matter.

@hullie7529

3 жыл бұрын

En el juicio quedó demostrado que los centros de votación que cerraron los Mossos fue después de dejar votar con normalidad (en contra de la orden del juez) y después del recuento, viéndose incluso imágenes de mossos de uniforme custodiando las cajas con los sobres. La policía y la guardia civil intentaron cumplir las órdenes y claro, eso creó conflicto, porque había gente que se quería saltar la ley.

@grauzamorapol

3 жыл бұрын

@@hullie7529 Igual la violencia nunca es la solucion... Pero bah no importa porque al final acabaremos todos dandonos ostias discutiendo el sexo de los angeles...

@nicolaieve

3 жыл бұрын

@@hullie7529 En ese mismo juicio se absolvio a la cúpula de los mosos así que cumplieron con sus ordenes. No hay imágenes de mossos custodiando urnas si no retirandolas. Por otra parte la orden judicial que ordenaba "Cerrar los centros sin alterar la normal convivencia" de forma que quien realmente cumplió el mandato fueron los mossos i no la guardia civil y policia nacional quienes ademas se negaron a coordinar el operativo y compartir informacion. Eso sin entrar en la legitimidad de impedir el libre derecho de manifestacion pacífica y de expresión de la ciudadania", cabe recordar que la convocatoria de referendums está además explícitamente despenalizada en la legislación española.

@marcmarti5273

3 жыл бұрын

@@hullie7529 como se nota que estabas ahí...

@goodaimshield1115

3 жыл бұрын

No they didn't. They only did that after standing by allowing illegal actions.

This made me want to know more about the other independence movements in other countries.. movements that would cripple the nations they're in.

@shorewall

3 жыл бұрын

Hell, I hear people talking about splitting up the USA. And I'm like, don't make me pull a Lincoln here. :D United we stand, Divided we fall. But I do agree in more autonomy for local states.

@andrewmannson7543

3 жыл бұрын

What Lincoln said about "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" is true for all countries, splitting into 2 or more different countries will only weaken both the secessionists and their country, only reason I see is a good reason to leave a country is that they are being heavily suppressed, like some people in China or corrupt Governments in Africa and South America

@lorenzodocx4021

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewmannson7543 The west is just as corrupt... We just called it lobbying and made it legal. miss me with that shite

@gerardoerrazquin9435

3 жыл бұрын

This video is a joke, almost as bad as the referendum... You do not mention that in the legal election the voting is 50% between unionists and separatists, how the referendum reaches 92%?? The referendum was a hoax, there was no census, so people could vote several times and some of the boxes were full of votes before the vote started... Another big lie is about Hazel, no one goes to jail to insult the crown... The maximum you can get is a fine. The guy is been condemned because he attacked a witness, he bleached the head of a journalist, but you were not capable to do a minimum research before publishing this video. Made a favour to yourself and get informed before preparing a video...

@andrewmannson7543

3 жыл бұрын

@@gerardoerrazquin9435 which one of us made the video?

Thank you Hilbert for putting the music you use in the description. I especially like the "Laid Back Guitars" one.

@20:53 Loved getting to know the history on Catalonia, but as you state yourself.... loads of time is put into this creation. Personally I would love to see a 'slower' explanation in several parts. In this way you might even be able to shed some light on certain events, which are now related (ie linkend) to other creations which I haven't seen jet (or I can't, for this creation takes 34 minutes to watch in the first place) Keep up the good work by the way, love what you create!

I've been subscribed to you for a while, but for some reason the youtube algorithm seems to forget about your content for me and doesn't recommend it much. I'm always stunned by your videos. I have this kind of subconscious idea of history youtubers making animations with meh scripts and meh visuals trying to turn a dime (not an insult to them), but your stuff just blows almost all of that out of the water. Thanks for everything you do.

Fascinating stuff. Definitely helps understand the situation a little more. Thanks ✊🏾

I wonder if this comment section will be cool or not ?

@o-o2399

3 жыл бұрын

@Ian Is based 👌👌

@irgendeineperson5350

3 жыл бұрын

Just like their ''independence'' it will be cool for 8 seconds and then stop

@savethatyt5640

3 жыл бұрын

@@irgendeineperson5350 VISCA CATALUNYA //*//

@The_Soviet_Onion

3 жыл бұрын

@@vlogsxi Viva España

@18754KRS

3 жыл бұрын

@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ viva españa viva franco

history with hilbert is becoming one of my favorite news channels

Excellent work! The best video I've seen on the subject, thanks a lot. I'm a Catalan independentist by the way.

@javimoya9963

3 жыл бұрын

And why exactly do you want independance?

@paubabau599

3 жыл бұрын

@@javimoya9963 Same reasons any other nation wants to be independent, so we are not ruled by our neighbors.

@paubabau599

3 жыл бұрын

@@javimoya9963 Incidentally our neighbors happen to hate us, so it's also about ending centuries long oppression and preserving our culture.

I think some more maps and visual features in the video would be really helpful in understanding and keeping track of the history better.

I'm TA'ing a course on Spanish history right now and this is by far the best, most thorough video I've seen about Catalonia and the origins of Catalan nationalism. The only issue I could find is that it's just called "ETA", there's no "the." Like NASA, but more violent.

@manumanitas161

3 жыл бұрын

Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...

@john-hl5tq

3 жыл бұрын

@@manumanitas161 The "Banana Republic" aspect of the referendum was the Spanish Government busing in riot police to harass, intimidate, beat up and arrest citizens who were trying to vote. Not forgetting the lengthy prison sentences handed out to the politicians who organised the referendum. Clearly fascism in Spain did not die with Franco.

@manumanitas161

3 жыл бұрын

@@john-hl5tq Ignore the legal framework, comite a crime and complain about it... XD

@Jose-gc8rl

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, in Spain we say 'la ETA' or ETA' almost interchangeably, so it wouldn't be entirely wrong to say 'the ETA'.

Insults against the crown is indeed a crime in Spain(shouldn't, but it is) but its only punished with a fine. So anyone that says that they emprisoned him beacuse of these tweets against the crown is either wrong or being cynical. You re not to blame though,as there's a huge confusion about that same subject right here in Spain. I like your videos preety much, keep it up!

@loquendosuperdotats

3 жыл бұрын

Aqui es donde te equivocas supongo que sabesque en el codigo penal penas inferiores a 2 años de prision no entras a prision pero si tienes diferentes condenas, que casi toda condena de multa va de acuerdo a una de prision multa de 3 meses a 20€ al dia por ejemplo pero son 3 meses. En este caso la ultima condena por injurias supera el cumulo de sus condenas por encima de lso años i por eso la prision de los 2 años i medio de prision creo que casi 2 son por 3 condenas diferentes por sus tuits i canciones, o sea si esta a prision por decidir que los borbones son unos ladrones, cosa que es verdad corroborado por el fisco por la ultima regularicacion del emerito con el fisco.

@jordif7310

3 жыл бұрын

Let me correct you, he has been imprisoned solely because of tweets and songs. The prison (+ €30k) sentence is for "glorification of terrorism" and "insults to the royal crown", "crimes" that have consisted on tweets and songs only. The rest of the issues he's been on trial for have been resolved in other manners. Review your sources. This is the same story of always with Spain, juditial warfare. A fascist power that never lost its strategic position after Franco's death. But they will fall, of course they will, along with the monarchy and the rest of the parasites of this fascist regime.

@VG-re1bj

3 жыл бұрын

Some of the sentences for the crimes he committed before (assault, threats, etc...) were "suspended", others are pending. For the ones already judged, that means the punishment would not take effect if one does not misbehave and does not commit more crimes, felonies or whatever. He doubled down and now he faces a rolling snowball. He is NOT facing prison because of the offenses to the royal family (and please, the non Spanish readers understand that "offenses" here does not mean singing songs about the king being fat, ugly or stupid but more on the line of actually publicly stating he is a criminal and accusing him of whatever without any evidence. Under Spanish law this is actually a felony if you do so to anybody, be him a king or not. But when the crime is committed against the king, it is specially typified as the king is an institutional figure), he has actively and publicly showed support and sympathy for terrorist organisations. It is debatable if this should be considered a crime or not, but we cannot forget that the main advocates for the criminalisation of speech in Spain and outside Spain is actually the radical left. I can only see this as an act of poetic justice.

@jonathanm9069

3 жыл бұрын

What if you don't want to pay the fine? What's the condemn then? Another fine? At the end of the day you can absolutely be imprisoned in Spain for insults against the crown.

@VG-re1bj

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanm9069 As it is expected if you reject to pay any fine sentenced by the judge without any other reason that you do not want to do it. You are also given the chance of doing community work instead. The amount of the fine, in any case, is set according to your financial circumstances. Como ocurre si eventualmente te niegas a pagar cualquier multa impuesta por un juez sin más argumentos que no te da la gana de hacerlo. Se te da la opción de sustituir la pena por trabajo comunitario. La cantidad de la multa, en cualquier caso, se establece de acuerdo con tus posibilidades económicas. Artículo 53. 1. Si el condenado no satisficiere, voluntariamente o por vía de apremio, la multa impuesta, quedará sujeto a una responsabilidad personal subsidiaria de un día de privación de libertad por cada dos cuotas diarias no satisfechas, que, tratándose de delitos leves, podrá cumplirse mediante localización permanente. En este caso, no regirá la limitación que en su duración establece el apartado 1 del artículo 37. También podrá el juez o tribunal, previa conformidad del penado, acordar que la responsabilidad subsidiaria se cumpla mediante trabajos en beneficio de la comunidad. En este caso, cada día de privación de libertad equivaldrá a una jornada de trabajo. 2. En los supuestos de multa proporcional los Jueces y Tribunales establecerán, según su prudente arbitrio, la responsabilidad personal subsidiaria que proceda, que no podrá exceder, en ningún caso, de un año de duración. También podrá el Juez o Tribunal acordar, previa conformidad del penado, que se cumpla mediante trabajos en beneficio de la comunidad. 3. Esta responsabilidad subsidiaria no se impondrá a los condenados a pena privativa de libertad superior a cinco años. 4. El cumplimiento de la responsabilidad subsidiaria extingue la obligación de pago de la multa, aunque mejore la situación económica del penado. 5. Podrá ser fraccionado el pago de la multa impuesta a una persona jurídica, durante un período de hasta cinco años, cuando su cuantía ponga probadamente en peligro la supervivencia de aquélla o el mantenimiento de los puestos de trabajo existentes en la misma, o cuando lo aconseje el interés general. Si la persona jurídica condenada no satisficiere, voluntariamente o por vía de apremio, la multa impuesta en el plazo que se hubiere señalado, el Tribunal podrá acordar su intervención hasta el pago total de la misma.

Well done. Gives a good idea of what's going on in Catalunya. Informative !

Fascinating. Could you look into the Anglophone Crisis in the Cameroons? This ongoing genocide needs to come to light.

@slyninja4444

3 жыл бұрын

English: I am the true language of Cameroon. French: No, I am. Native Languages: Am I a joke to you?

@amiciprocul8501

3 жыл бұрын

So stupid. Colonialism pisses me off.

@axelbaal6093

2 жыл бұрын

Also France did made war against Cameroun indépendantist. Not to mention Biafra war. It is barely known , in France.

@taen6917

2 жыл бұрын

Check James Karl lensi I will get good information about ambazonia an global political situation

He didnt talk about how Pablo Hasel asaulted a cop and sprayed acid on a witness

@aguspuig6615

3 жыл бұрын

i have a feeling that didnt happen

@manumanitas161

3 жыл бұрын

Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...

@Didagg

3 жыл бұрын

@@manumanitas161 Very well anti-catalan propaganda you got there bud, ciudadanos lost 30 places in the elections and every single one of the pro-independence gained places. Besides, it’s not 51% it’s 65%~ Which is a considerable number because there is only 3 pro-independence political parties

@manumanitas161

3 жыл бұрын

@@Didagg es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecciones_al_Parlamento_de_Catalu%C3%B1a_de_2021 Okey so turnout: 53%, which means half of the population doesnt give a shit about this political non sense called voting. From that 53% dumb enough to go voting: If you sum up all the independentist parties you have 51%, PSC is not independentist I think thats clear, neither is Podemos which is pro referendum but is neutral with strong negative views on the isue in other parts of Spain, just like PSOE... So no its not propaganda is just data, I dont know where you get that 65% from anyways

@luisblanco1851

3 жыл бұрын

@@aguspuig6615 Ha assaulted a member of a jury and a tv camera man. He also told his followers that they should kill cops and the royal family, thos is a call to action and not free speech

Just to clarify, Valtònyc is not Catalan, he's from Mallorca in the Balearic Islands. He sings in Catalan since we also speak Catalan here. ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valt%C3%B2nyc

@hullie7529

3 жыл бұрын

Yo pensaba que en las Baleares se hablaba mallorquín, al menos así me lo enseñaron en el colegio. Me sorprende cómo mucha gente de Baleares está tan dispuesta a que se pierda su identidad por hacer seguidismo a los catalanistas. En este caso España defiende la diversidad cultural de sus regiones frente a la uniformidad unitaria del catalanismo.

@Bermeslivre

3 жыл бұрын

@@hullie7529 Cállate por favor que no sabes de lo que hablas.

@otpascual471

3 жыл бұрын

@@hullie7529 idiota, el mallorquí és dialecte del català

@lyonthespanishfox9686

3 жыл бұрын

@@otpascual471 el mallorqui y el catalan son un dialecto del valenciano. Y no insultes al chaval, te quita la poca razon que tienes

@otpascual471

3 жыл бұрын

@@lyonthespanishfox9686 en fi un altre que no sap del què parla, imbècils n'hi ha a tot arreu👍

Thanks for this video. Very interesting 👌

22:44, great video, but unionism is currently more widespread on industrial areas and towns, rural areas tend to be more independentist.

@mrx0088

3 жыл бұрын

In industrial areas with low profile immigrants from Spain.

@maxstirner6143

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrx0088 80 years ago

@husted5488

3 жыл бұрын

no

@billycorgan3934

3 жыл бұрын

To be more accurate, most of unionists weren't born in Catalonia unlike independentists

@siegmundeurades5753

3 жыл бұрын

Industrial areas and towns tend to have a larger Spanish population, unlike rural zones, where most people are actually Catalan.

hey hilbert,great vid long and nice like I love it,but sometimes I feel you edit yourself out mid sentance and pass to another part

Really good video with lots of historical Facts! Congratulations

Wow, Catalonia has a long history! Didn't learn this in my school.

@xXxSkyViperxXx

3 жыл бұрын

American schools?? whoever mentioned american schools haha

@Skankhunt668

3 жыл бұрын

@ゴロゴロ what you don't learn about the whole history of every country in the world Pffff

@Lau2856.

3 жыл бұрын

@ゴロゴロ school kills your creativity

@VladimirPutin-on9xq

3 жыл бұрын

Can you not learn on your own?

@neminemtarot9664

3 жыл бұрын

VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE //*//

Good video as always my good sir even if I just started it.

It's the Dutch anthem running gag that made me subscribe, it's just that funny you think about every possible situation in your videos to include this.

As you can see on the flag of Spain: Top left is Castille (Castle) Top right is Léon (Lion) Bottom left is Aragon (Where Catalonia is part of) Bottom right is Navarra (Part of Baskonia, another region who wants independence) Spain is thus clearly a union of these 4 kingdoms

@c8adec

3 жыл бұрын

You forgot Granada, in the bottom center

@callumvantriet2941

3 жыл бұрын

@@c8adec oh really? Did not see it. In the center of the coat of arms you can also see the Bourbon dynastic shield

@c8adec

3 жыл бұрын

@@callumvantriet2941 Don't worry, I'm just extra picky there because I'm from Granada 😅 And normally we don't get recognition as one of the kingdoms that merged into what is known today as Spain.

@callumvantriet2941

3 жыл бұрын

@@c8adec as an EU4 player (maybe you’ve heard of the game) I know all about how Spain formed, it’s very interesting

@18754KRS

3 жыл бұрын

viva españa viva franco

Wait, the cat was in a box?! (Tongue in cheek.) I was always told it was in a bag! Seriously though, your videos are always so informative and entertaining. I love the overt nods to your Dutch heritage. You are an amazing documentarian! Please keep up the great work.

Even though, it was half an hour, i really enjoyed this

Louis the THIRTEEN not the 18th. It was a mistake but not a big one. Focus on your reading you sounded tired on this video. Excellent job.

@historywithhilbert146

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I have always been terrible at Maths xD

Just some notes as a catalan independence supporter myself, Pablo Hasél and the other rappers imprisoned are not really part of the independence movement, but some far left-wing antimonarchy movement. It's easy to get them mashed together because they're catalan but they don't have much in common apart from you know, being prosecuted by the same state. Another thing you forgot to mention about the Reaper's War, is that, after siding with the french in order to kick out the Spanish, the french army was sent to Catalonia and basically did even worse than the spanish soldiers, so they switched sides again, some say that they tried to remain independent but with enemies on all sides that was basically not possible so Spain recovered part of Catalonia while the french took the north (as part of the Treaty of Utrech which involved basically every single european monarchy at the time and also the reason Gibraltar is not part of Spain). Also, when Franco decided to industrialize Catalonia and send millions of spanish speaking workers there, he did so in purpose (and he wasn't the first to try to do so, as in the early 1800s there was also lots o migration from regions such as Andalusia and Murcia), so that the immigrants would dilude catalan national identity. While it is debatable if the move payed off, the percentage of native catalan speakers in Catalonia was certainly reduced from 80%+ to almost 40% now. Lastly, the PSOE is not wiling to negotiate anything about independence. They MAY, and this is also very unlikely, support some sort of autonomy reforms, but that is also not really plausible as the Spanish Constitution would need to be reformed (2/3rds of the Spanish Parliament votes needed and Catalan seats represent 48/350). The reality is they cannot allow Catalonia to go out of Spain, as the loss would most certainly bankrupt them, and so they will try to keep us United whatever the cost, and whatever the % of support for independence. Congrats on making such a nice video :D

@xeroxsaw1303

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with most of the things you said (because they were facts) except when you said that Spain would become bankrupt where Catalonia to leave. I really don’t see how this is true, if anything it would be the other way around. Catalonia lately has served more as a destabilizing region more than anything else, it is possible that where Catalonia to leave, Spain might on the long run, end up more stable

@ekosh6266

3 жыл бұрын

@@xeroxsaw1303 yaa, a lot of facts but his conclusion wasn't supported by any. I'm afraid he's just been brainwashed. BTW that rapper has a lot of crimes and deserves prison.

@xeroxsaw1303

3 жыл бұрын

@@ekosh6266 I think he does, but that “Injurias a la Corona” law is stupid

@alexdeharo9036

3 жыл бұрын

@@xeroxsaw1303 Maybe not on the long run, same as Catalonia, but Catalonia is an economic powerhouse and almost the only connection Spain has to europe by land. Also If catalonia secedes vasques will probably follow them after a while.

@xeroxsaw1303

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexdeharo9036 Well Catalonia’s position would be much worse. They would have lost many companies, they would be out of the EU and Spain would probably veto any attempt for the EU to join the EU, furthermore Catalonia would be very unstable since about half of the population would disagree with the decision to leave Spain, they would probably still have relatives in Spain. Also, pro-independence parties have made 0 plans as to what they would after seceding from Spain, and their day to day administration has been quite bad honestly, even while still being part of Spain. I frankly don’t see how Catalonia would be better off after independence

Fascinating video, enjoyed it alot.

This will be very good and interesting but controversial for sure among the Spanish. Its very interesting to see how Spain and UK have dealt with secessionist tendencies in some regions

@SpanishDrill

3 жыл бұрын

yea becouse uk are united kingdogm here the original autonomies aint respect and dont have the same borders

@aqpatt4675

3 жыл бұрын

@@serrillas2253 no, only the fucking extremists hate each other, normal people appreciate their country

@andrelopes3889

3 жыл бұрын

Spain has two main points of tension that are a source of constant instability: the secessionist/separatist movements (and the now dormant terrorist activities) in the basque country and catalonia and the remaining divide in the spanish society caused by the brutal civil war 80 years ago. To make somekind of a parallel with Britain, it's like the UK had gone through the civil war between the parliamentarists and the royalists and the troubles in less than a century.

@aqpatt4675

3 жыл бұрын

@@serrillas2253 I know that Spain is the second country in the world with the greatest amount of common pints and many people is still searching for his father or grandfather in them but the great majority of Spanish nowadays has got over it, if you see it as an usual topic in media is because politicians use Francoism as a demagogic weapon to create division between righ and left wing. Also the "two Spains" thing seems really overdramatic to me, because it's a term coined before the civil war, when there was a worrying political tension and social inequality, but nowadays people just use it to describe the right-left political division, although it's something common in every democratic country.

@demun6065

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrelopes3889 right, and Germans weren't divided in the last century? All I get from these comments is that some Spaniards are dramatic little whiney babies, who can't move together into the future.

Amazing video mate!

History with Helbert! You have got a very accurate Spanish pronunciation. Congrats!! Btw: I love your videos ^^

Very informative video Hilbert! It's a very interesting but complicated subject and I see lots of similarities here in Flanders. Greetings

@manumanitas161

3 жыл бұрын

Its full of errors and pro-independece bias, like saying the last elections had a huge increase in pro independence, the shift was about 1% thats like 51% for independence, taking into account the vote turn over went down about a 40% cause COVID. Not to mention that he presented the 92% pro independence as a serious referendum and not the shit show bannana republic tier it was...

@danielcampanoflorido854

3 жыл бұрын

@@manumanitas161 exactly , Gilbert set the video on initial wrong assumptions, and omit relevant information along the video....,apart from suggesting that offense to crown can take to jail, nobody goes to Jail for offending the crown, it is just fine ( which I disagree by the way)

@mauritsponnette

3 жыл бұрын

He did state that the 2017 referendum wasn't representative because everyone who would vote against didn't vote as per legislation of the Spanish government.

@manumanitas161

3 жыл бұрын

@@mauritsponnette Yeah, he said 20 minutes into the video... I havent seen it but it creates a strong bias if you say it in minute 0 and then elaborate over that for 20 minutes.... Also the statement that independentist made a HUGE surge.... The HUGE surge was in people not showing up to vote since TurnOut went down 25% es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecciones_al_Parlamento_de_Catalu%C3%B1a_de_2021

@danielcampanoflorido854

3 жыл бұрын

He also forget to say that the industrialization of Catalonia come from the protection of manufactured good by the Spanish State...., people were obliged during centuries to buy whatever was manufactured in catalonia by tarifing so expensively goods from abroad...., Catalonia has created wealth under the protection of the Spanish state, no by creating a competitive industry, but Gilbert forget to say that, as many things....

Awesome pronunciation my dude, keep it up! Just wanted to point out that Hasel is also being imprisoned for threatening a witness and throwing cleaning products over a journalist in a protest. Keep it up, loved your recent runes video

Fun fact: During the 70s and 80s were many punks bands in spain that their lyrics talked about ETA and the government didn't send them to jail

@aguspuig6615

3 жыл бұрын

yeah i think its mostly because he insulted the crown rather than the ETA stuff

@nicsmith7689

3 жыл бұрын

None of the ones from that time (at least not the popular ones) directly supported ETA in their lyrics. You might hear chants at concerts though.

@Corfean

3 жыл бұрын

@@aguspuig6615 You can't go to jail for insulting the crown, so no. He went to jail because he supported terrorism and the murder of politicians.

My mom’s aunt is from andalucia, she used to constantly change job if it paid a bit more, she was normally payed in pennies when se was young, everyone on her family had to work and lived in a marginal zone of barcelona, nowadays if tou go to her house she will stuff you with all kinds of foods and say you are too slim and have to eat more, very sweet.

Pablo Hasel is also arrested for aggression and threat

@mireiasanchez7746

3 жыл бұрын

That is true, but the independentist are not really interested in defending the person of Pablo Hasel but the right to criticize or even insult the monarchy. Therfore, they are not defending all his acts and if he were to only be judged by the acts of aggression no one would be protesting (unless people had the feeling that he were being persecuted for his ideals, i guess). That’s why I’m assuming it’s not specified in the video.

@manu._.7167

3 жыл бұрын

@@mireiasanchez7746 this is not about independentism, I agree that criticize the monarchy should not be a felony but if you want to change that you have to get the majorities and make all the process in the Parliament. Many people dont even understand the felonies they are criticizing such as insult or slander...

@grecolonsvila

3 жыл бұрын

When he was arrested in the university, that was for his music lyrics. It's right that he also has other charges, but all those demonstrations are for the arrest regarding the right of free speech.

@totetoresano

3 жыл бұрын

Las injurias a la corona no tienen penas de cárcel, sino de multa. El enaltecimiento del terrorismo sumado a las agresiones es lo que hace que acabe en prisión. Para mi ninguno de los delitos de opinión debería existir, el problema es que las mismas personas "defendiendo" la libertad de expresión de Hasel, quemando Barcelona y saqueando tiendas, ponen el grito en el cielo cuando la idiota de la División Azul suelta su discurso y aplauden cuando piden 4 años de cárcel para ella.

@Alvaro-ep2de

3 жыл бұрын

@@grecolonsvila Si no tienes antecedentes no puedes ir a la cárcel y menos por algo como eso, no cuela ya tenía varios cargos a sus espaldas .

Very Informative; thank you.

Can you do something on the Zong Massacre. I thought I was a learned historian, but just read about this and was shocked. It is a story that needs to be told and shared.

you forgot to mention the funniest bit , when their government said : yes we are independant ! only for them 8 SECONDS later say : "actually...that was a joke we arent..."

Perfect video. I am from Spain and you have done a really good content

Un vídeo muy bueno Hilbert

If they break away from Spain then winning the World Cup just becomes easier.

@nikolaradulovic5283

3 жыл бұрын

Barcelona have been shite in the UCL lately so it probably wouldn't be too big of a difference for the Spanish team

@o-o2399

3 жыл бұрын

@Thomas shevchuk The new revolutionary guards already happened

@demun6065

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikolaradulovic5283 I think he means it'll be easier for the Dutch to win 😎

I remember playing CK2 I started as The Duke or county of Barcelona and the first thing I did was to become king of Aragon, that indeed was different from the Kingdome of Leon

Great Video! I have a Friend in Spain who lives in Barcelona and She told me she has always been against the independence movement, i always wondered why :/

@saint_gales

3 жыл бұрын

because she lives in barcelona, the least independentist place in the whole of catalonia...?

@sade_es8809

3 жыл бұрын

Becouse there is no reason to be an independentist if you don't feel you want the independence...

@maxpuente6291

3 жыл бұрын

@@saint_gales Not the least lol it's 50/50 in the capital more or less. It's acc the surrounding cities of Barcelona who have the least independentists

@alexsanchez6659

3 жыл бұрын

Because she has common sense and doesn't believe independentist propaganda

@danielcampanoflorido854

3 жыл бұрын

Because she doesn't feel like a victim because she is not a victim, in fact she is in a region of Spain which has enjoyed previleged from the Spanish goverment

Appreciate you said some in the title not all

Very interesting video indeed. I would only like to clarify that Hasel (the singer who got arrested and is now in jail) has not been arrested just because of his lyrics and the comments about the monarchy. He already has a criminall record of two aggressions, one to a journalist and another one to a witness in a trial .

@mapache-ehcapam

3 жыл бұрын

Similar stuff happens here in Chile, when criminals, and I'm talking about true criminals, the kind that murders, robs people with extreme violence and set shit on fire, get arrested or even shot by the police, people go out protesting claiming abuse of power. It's ridiculous.

@billycorgan3934

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes sure like Valtonyc??? Like any other musicians? 😅

@danielcampanoflorido854

3 жыл бұрын

@@billycorgan3934 Valtonic encouraged people to go to kill Guardias Civiles on a stage after a concert...., apparently it should be legal..., tocate los huevos...

I think it’s the opposite of what you said the industrial centers of Barcelona and Tarragona and the upper classes are less independentist than the rural areas 22:24

@alvaro6587

3 жыл бұрын

The urban lower classes are usually less independentist since they are descendents of andalusian and southern spanish people

@grecolonsvila

3 жыл бұрын

@@alvaro6587 Basically.

Quick correction, Pablo Hasel was charged with crimes of supporting terrorist groups such as ETA as well as death threats towards some people. For this he was sentenced to prison but ended up staying on probation. It was during his time on probation that he insulted the King and thus went to jail. Personally I feel like the law “Injurias contra la Corona” is frankly stupid and anti-democratic, but with that being said, Pablo Hasel has done things that do deserve jail time

It's all a really good video, the only mistake is that the rural regions are more pro independence than the cities

I love your attention to proper pronunciation of different languages. I'm not fluent in any of the languages, but I know the pronunciation rules that as a native English speaker, I just forget when I see those words. Especially Valencia, as that has the Spanish pronunciation with basically a lisp to it, and while I know that rule, I just never thought of it.

You should produce a video about the Basque country and Galícia

@longliveavalon

3 жыл бұрын

And Portugal ;)

As someone from Cataluña who just had to write a massive research paper on this exact thing, great job! I just wish you had made this a bit earlier, it would’ve helped a lot! 😂

@detainjappp

7 ай бұрын

but this is just general information…

0:26 It's necessary to clarify that 2017 referendum of 1st of Octuber had a low participation and under age people was able to vote in that referendum (16 years old)

@uvbe

3 жыл бұрын

16yo should be allowed to vote anyways.

@neminemtarot9664

3 жыл бұрын

VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE //*//

@oriolandres1085

3 жыл бұрын

You're wrong. The registered turnout was 43%, without counting the 700.000 votes stolen by Spanish police, and only people over 18 was allowed to vote

@saint_gales

3 жыл бұрын

not true

@unknownhandyman6821

3 жыл бұрын

We also have to take in account how the Spanish police attacked poles, scaring many other catalonians.

Very interesting and well made video

Pablo Hasel was not condemned only because of his disgusting lyrics, he had a number of other legal issues. I really enjoyed the whole historic backup. Peace from a Catalan who's fed up with the whole tiresome issue of independence.

@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan

3 жыл бұрын

Move to Madrid

@PR-qp8iz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan I'm thinking about it.

@StickyBarcelona

5 күн бұрын

@@PR-qp8iz hasta luego colono

interesting to think that there's a viable alternate timeline out there where Spain and Portugal are united and Catalonia is independent.

@r.ladaria135

2 жыл бұрын

Well, if Catalonia had not joined Spain, France would have annexed Catalonia.

@curry-

Жыл бұрын

@@r.ladaria135 uhh Catalonia never joined Spain Spain was the Union between the crown of Castille and the Crown of Aragon (which included Catalonia) under the Catholic monarchy

@r.ladaria135

Жыл бұрын

@@curry- if not in Spain, Now we would be french . And probably the csyalan would have died.

Dear Hilbert thank you for making me ever more wise

Can you make a video about the dutch elections in two weeks? Thanks

It's funny that you have discovered to me that ther has been any kind of terrorist separatist organization in the Canary Islands! LOL. Really, you should check on that because I've never heard of such and I've been a spaniard myself for 49 years. Besides that, I love learning the history of my own country from foreign sources - they tend to be quite more impartial than the ones you can come by here. Good work!

@victorpujadasaltemir8747

3 жыл бұрын

I think he is talking about the Fuerzas Armadas Guanches, the militar branch of the Movimiento por la Autodeterminación e Independencia del Archipiélago Canario (MPAIAC). While they were not as active as ETA for example they did exist and it even had a mortal victimn. And I do know that they were a very small group but they were considered a terrorist organitzation by the Spanish Government

@oscar_eslava_

3 жыл бұрын

@@victorpujadasaltemir8747 Well thanks for the info. Once again, it's funny I have to learn these things here. However, it's a bit of a failure for a terrorist gang not to be known by their own countrymen for their criminal merits or motivations (I wish it'd happen more often, we had more than enough suffering ETA for decades)

@safahsalah5390

Жыл бұрын

I remember thier leader was killed in Algeria

9:31 You said Louis XVIII but showed a pic of Louis XIII but you meant to say Louis XIII cuz he was in fact on January 23, 1641, proclaimed as Count of Barcelona, putting the Principality of Catalonia under French sovereignty.

Well crafted as always!

Oh boy, what a nice video about the Catalan situation, I sure hope the comment section is not a shitshow! (cool video btw)

@uvbe

3 жыл бұрын

it really is full of idiots

@neminemtarot9664

3 жыл бұрын

VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE //*//

It's funny how you keep bringing examples of Catalonia trying to declare independence and for all of them go like "yeah but this doesn't mean they wanted to be independent eh they just didnt want anything to do with Spain"

It has allways srike me that you have an interest in spanish history

Awesome video

can you make a video about why north sudan and south egypt want to break away from egypt and sudan respectively?

You forgot some of his larger crimes, such as how he assaulted a member on the press and early 2010's charges that were "paused", based.

This was an excellent video. As a catalan (pro-independence) point of view I found it very balanced, and you talked about pretty much everything you had to. There's just 2 things I'd change: -As a minor change, the latest election graph was somewhat confusing, PSOE + VOX bars look taller than all the pro-independece parties bar, which may lead to believe unionism was more popular than secessionism. Pro-independece parties got an historic 51% of the vote and a huge majority in the parliament. -As to Pablo Hasel's detention, it's right that many catalans support him for the national aspect but I'd say more people do support him for being republican (against the monarchy). There's many places in Spain, very unionist places, that also demonstrated for him. And finally, something I would've added in the video is the imprisionment of the entire catalan government after the 1st of October independence referendum, some people like Carles Puigdemont escaped into exile seeking EU's protection, but those who didn't are still imprisioned, with senteces of up to 13 years. That fueled the pro-independence move a good deal from 2015 until today.

Man, the independence movements flags are cool (I mean the design, not the significance)

Imagine if the northern spanish catalans and the southern french occitans united into a new country. A cool idea except i would no longer be french and now technically be occitan/catalan since the soutern half of france is technically the cultural, ethnic region of occitan.

@roms4154

3 жыл бұрын

les occitans tous comme les catalans sont en fait francais d un point de vue "ethnique" tout comme par exemple les corses sont plutôt italien d un point de vue ethnique !meme si la france n a pas vraiment une ethnie particulière . mais bon tous ca n a plus vraiment de sens aujourd'hui ! l europe del ouest s est tellement mélangé ! nous avons tous des liens historique fort entre francais , allemands , italiens , espagnols , britanniques , belges et hollandais !

@lukethomeret-duran5273

3 жыл бұрын

@@roms4154 Im french and spanish. But yes i identify as more french than anything else. Also i dont really like the british or germans but i agree with the rest

@roms4154

3 жыл бұрын

@@lukethomeret-duran5273 it's not a question to like or not ! the link between our people and nations is a fact !

@lukethomeret-duran5273

3 жыл бұрын

@@roms4154 dont worry ive studied french ethnic history and if anything has shaped my opinion

@RoderickVI

3 жыл бұрын

@@roms4154 We are only ethnically french in as so far as to say we are descended of the Gallo-Romans and partially the Franks, but we are more Gallo-Roman than Frankish, unlike the north of France, thereby Id actually say us Occitans and Catalans are in fact Gallic, or Galloroman, not French.

Step 1: be early Step 2: insert funny joke about being early Step 3: profit

@hmartinspliff

3 жыл бұрын

Pablo Hasel-hoff, a lone crusader in a dangerous world. The world of the Knight Rider.

@hmartinspliff

3 жыл бұрын

Pablo Hasel creating hassle for Spanish government in Madrid.

Rural areas tend to be independentist. Urban areas (around Barcelona and the coast) tend to be unionist. Within social classes, the highest classes are unionist, with middle and high-middle independentist, and low and middle-low classes unionist. The main factor is ethnolinguistic identity (most unionists are Spanish-speaking and they or their parents come from other regions) except for the highest classes which simply fear Catalonia becoming a rump state and prefer the statu quo.

@StickyBarcelona

5 күн бұрын

aixi de simple

Great video

Could you please do a video on Van Gogh?

Weird, how all of these youtube channels come out with the same videos at the same time all the time. Just yesterday TLDR News made a video on this topic.

@Jose-gc8rl

3 жыл бұрын

Well the protests against the arrest of the rapper are happening these days so it makes sense

Thank you for simplifying the history of the catalan independence movement for me. I moved to Barcelona 5 years ago from the USA. I recently bought a book about the Spanish Civil War trying to understand the history behind the independence movement. It is so confusing that I can only read a couple of chapters before my head starts swimming and I have to put the book down. Too many damn factions. How do they ever get anything done?

@hullie7529

3 жыл бұрын

You can't make sense of it because you're looking in the wrong places. History has nothing to do with it because you can use it to justify any position as long as you focus on just some episodes and you interpret them a certain way. They're like Trump supporters, they want their way and won't accept anything else, and if they have to say the elections were rigged they'll claim so even if they don't have any proof. Separatists are like that, don't try to make sense of it all because most of the time they don't even know.

@Sanhi3

3 жыл бұрын

@@hullie7529 Calm down dude...

@disbauxa

2 жыл бұрын

@@hullie7529 deixe’m endevinar, o ets un colono a Catalunya o ets un anticatalanista. Se’t nota a l’hora d’escriure, tros de quòniam.

@guillem251

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment is the reason so many people want independance

Great vídeo. Just wanted to say that Its important to know how the constitutional court is builded. It is well known as politically manipulated. Catalans naivelly exoected to be accepted as al nation as It is obvious "nationality" means "nation-without-rights"

@guillem2039

3 жыл бұрын

Basically Spain is using t'he judges (Big Franco,s heritage) as a wall to stop Catalonia claims

@guillem2039

3 жыл бұрын

I am talking here about t'he Estatut episode

Marcher Lords, right near the border of Dorne, yeah I'm familiar...

@Epicrandomness1111

3 жыл бұрын

More inspired by Wales but sure

@raymondsmith9975

3 жыл бұрын

@@Epicrandomness1111 House Tarley ain't playing no games tho

I've travelled and worked with a few people from Catalonia and they were all happy to have a candid, adult conversation about its independence status. I guess this in itself is a fair insight into part of the culture there, what surprised me was the range of opinions shared, even amongst close groups of friends. Only one of them was of full Spanish heritage and he didn't really care either way (as he felt like a part of both Spain and Barcelona) and both were bittersweet for him. Two were of 50/50 Spanish/Catalan heritage, one said he felt Spanish not Catalan and didn't care so much, the other felt Catalan to the core and was fully pro-independence. The 'full' Catalans I knew either didn't care so much or were pro-independence (a couple were HARDcore for independence) except for one girl that wanted to stay because "Espana is fucked without us", lolz. The fact that they were all good, intelligent people that could have a civil conversation on a touchy subject like this, without it souring relationships, was impressive to me (in this day and age anyways). Freedom for Catalunya!

@irenejover4316

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's all we want. Freedom. Freedom to decide for ourselves, a fair decision. ♡

Really like your video! It good to see someone just present the facts without a political agenda. As you asked for opinions here is mine: I sympathize with the Catalan cause as I was born in Barcelona and my family is from Navarre and the Basque Country. However I don't think that independence is the solution. It is important to preserve unity and solidarity with all people regardless of nationality or cultural background. Especially in Europe where even once powerful Nations like Germany and France no longer play a major role in World politics, smashed between the world powers. Considering this I think that the hole Idea of the independent European Nation-state is obsolete. I disagree with the imprisonment of Catalan politicians and artist because I'm a firm believer in free speech and dialogue. With dialogue between the Catalans and the Spanish I think a compromise can be found. It is obvious that the monorachy as a Relic of the medieval age is no longer viable. It is obvious that a modern Spain should ambrese Republicanism and reorganize itself into a federated State. (Sorry if there are any misspellings or grammatical errors. English is not my first language and I'm still learning. Thanks.)

The biggest test for countries like this with very distinct regions will come when online consensus polling becomes the norm in the coming decades versus representative government. Especially once global high speed internet is accessible to anyone it will be possible to directly vote and regional divides will perhaps become less important when everyone has a say in governance.

@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. "Representative goverment" is a nice word for oligarchy, it is not a democracy at all, at least in Spain. There is no referendums and the polls are never aproved in legal terms, so, people have no participation in politics, only to vote richer politicians that are ruled by banks and companies. Besides politicians can choose the judges, so there is no political indepence in justice.There is no democracy in Spain.

Great job. Would like an ETA video as well

Philip V imposed on Spain a unitary polity on Spain (in emulation of France), which was completely unsuited to the country, having had up until that point more of a federal structure.

@shorewall

3 жыл бұрын

I think the federal system is the most suited to humans. Have local states, with a formal union. Ala Germany, the USA, etc.

@SolarFlareAmerica

3 жыл бұрын

@@shorewall so long as, unlike the US, diverse political parties are allowed to run, instead of just two.

Now it's time for "why Silesia wants autonomy or independence?"

This is very interesting. At this time, with Scotland being flirting with independence, it might not be as apropos to ask why Spain doesn't consider the British model, El Reino Unido de Iberia, if not Los Estados Unidos de España.

@JonSeverinsson

3 жыл бұрын

They already do. Catalonia is an autonomous community of Spain. Different communities have different degrees of autonomy, and Catalonia is one of the three most autonomous communities (the other two being Galicia and the Basque Country).

@JMM33RanMA

3 жыл бұрын

@@JonSeverinsson My last trip to Barcelona was a few years after the fall of Franco. I would usually try to use travellers guide Spanish, but found that got me hostility in Catalonia. I started to introduce all requests with, "Perdóname, mi lengua materna es el inglés y hablo muy poco español .... " This usually got a smile and, "Good, we don't speak Spanish here and prefer English." The political problem may be moving in the right direction, too, but if it is not resolved permanently it can flare up at any time. I am surprised that EU integration hasn't done a more thorough job, though.

@JonSeverinsson

3 жыл бұрын

@@JMM33RanMA I'm not saying the political problem is solved, just that the British model won't help, as Catalonia already have more devolved powers than Scotland.

@JMM33RanMA

3 жыл бұрын

@@JonSeverinsson Oh, I see. My understanding was seriously outdated.

@andrelopes3889

3 жыл бұрын

To call it Reino Unido de Iberia is just as ill-advised as calling the islands of Great Britain and Ireland the "British Isles"

Not knowing much about the current Catalonian political make up... My gut instinct is that those southern Andalusian poor factory workers would be to this day (their descendants) in the urban areas. And I would think that the rural native Catalonian are more pro union bc they are probably more conservative, in contrast to the more liberal/euro-socialistic urbanites in Barcelona

@davsalda

3 жыл бұрын

@Raul Armas Serina ohh

@palimpsestransparent

3 жыл бұрын

@@davsalda you are correct. The immigrants from the south and their descendants are mainly in the outskirts of large cities, such as Barcelona. Some of the descendants integrated and became fully Catalan in regards to their sense of identity but others chose to remain Spanish. That is why pro independence is found more in villages.

Fundamentally, it is a Barcelona bourgeoisie that feels almost as strong as the Madrid bourgeoisie and wishes it could manage its businesses with less intervention from the Central State. That is, to make Catalonia its own playground without having to render accounts to Madrid or having to participate in the common Spanish expenses. But with the benefits of easy access to the Spanish market and the European Union.

@omerjameel3524

3 жыл бұрын

No it's not about that we are one of the most profitable parts of Spain so that why Spain use us as a piggy bank to finance the hall of Spain because they are too lazy to work and need government grants/aids

@DaVultureTTG

3 жыл бұрын

@@omerjameel3524 Im all for independance should the majority call for it, call it my irish ancestory living through me, however making generalising sweeping statements doesnt help premote your cause brother.

@tadeuszsa8314

3 жыл бұрын

@@omerjameel3524 the same argument could be used inside Catalonia with the "poor" rural provinces of Lleida/Girona... vs the rich and urban Barcelona and his minor cities. Are the people of Lleida lazy and fools?

@oscargrove2107

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and no. There is also a clear leftie CNT nostalgia movement going on. It’s a delicate alliance and both sides don’t hesitate to stab each other in the back.

@oscargrove2107

3 жыл бұрын

@@omerjameel3524 Tu meen menys Madrid en roba i més arguments de calitat siusplau. Que sino europa no ens mira

The only reason Catalonia is not independent is because there is a sizable portion of spanish immigrants from 1950-80 that now make an approximate 50% of the region's population. Polls show that if you have 4 catalan speaking grandparents, 87% of people want independence, whereas 4 grandparents born outside catalonia, only 15% want independence.

@mrx0088

3 жыл бұрын

And the real problem lays there. Everybody knows and understands it, even babies, but it's taboo to talk about it.

@danielforrester5265

3 жыл бұрын

Well catalonia has been part of spain for centuries. Its inevitable that many have mixed familys. Most people wont vote to straddle their famiy accross a border. Even with open borders it complicates things as different legal jurisdictions can affect things like healthcare, next of kin, inheritance. Immigration is also a growing trend globally and especially accross the EU. The world is moving towards integration. National sentiments aside, spliting economies, reducing the pool of accessable universities, spliting families (both catalans in the rest of spain and other spaniards in catalonia) etc etc just doesn't make logical sense.

@EduNauram

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielforrester5265 'splitting families' argument is bullshit. Small minority. True catalans don't have families throughout spain. Only people who live in catalonia but are not culturally or linguistically catalan do. Ethnic catalans will never stop trying to regain their land back. They feel like as different to spanish people as portuguese. Your argument will be valid when portugal goes inside spain.

@danielforrester5265

3 жыл бұрын

@@EduNauram Riiiight cause people dont move for work, education etc and inter-marry..... Do you not think mixed race exist? Like it or not, racial purity of any individual is rare if not unlikely. Most people are of mixed ancestory even if its just a few %. Your line of thinking is borderline racist and supremist. Not very democratic to just disregard so many catalans as not 'true' catalans over mixed blood. Is a half catalan who speaks catalan amd born in catalonia not catalan to you? Pretty narrowminded if thats how you think

@EduNauram

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielforrester5265 a catalan is not about genes, is about someone who lives in a catalan way. Most imigrant people and mixed people don't live in a catalan cultural way. They live in a spanish way. Being catalan is not superior to spanish, this is not about supremacism. It about setting differences clearly what castillian/spanish supremacist nationalism has wanted to muddle and make dissappear since the middle ages. Catalans are still here. They wont go anywhere. Catalonia is catalan land. Those who are 'mixed' will have to adapt or live elsewhere in the 'great spanish country'. Facts.

i dunno its like the whole dialogue is between ''do we let them vote and therefore 99% sure tehy will become independent crippling spain and opening an oportunity for other parts of spain to do so?'' or ''do we crack down on them and force them to stay?'' when the answer should be ''why do they want to leave and what can we do about it?'' because as you said yes catalonia has its identity but most people would be happy with staying if we recieved better treatment in stuff like laws, because lets be honest, if you really think spain is held together because most regions think that trying to become independent wouldnt work is that really a nation? nah its just a country because theres no feeling of a common cause everyone is held together by a slight fear of daring to move out

@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035

3 жыл бұрын

They could avoid it all of this if they approved the "Estatut d'Autonomia" the way it was voted. Because, the video doesn't tell you, but the same document was approved to Andalucía and other comunities, but it was changed for Catalonia.

happens the next: Andorra is a Principality. Monaco is a Principality. Both are european states. In the past, a principality was not the land ruled by "a prince son of the king", but was instead a land without king. So, not having a king, the main of its noblemen, the "primus inter pares" (from latin, "first between equals") was the prime, the principal, the prince. You can't say that a principality (that by definition does not have a king) belongs to a kingdom (which by definition is ruled by a king). If that would have been the case we wouldnt talk about the "crown of aragon", we would call it only the kingdom of aragon. the fact that was called crown means that the ruler, which was king on the kingdom and prince on the principality, was a union on the basis of sharing the ruler, but not because one of them was belonging to the other. When the Crown grew and took valencia and mallorca, along with other lands, valencia, as example, was annexed in the form of kingdom. The 3 parts (kingdoms of Aragon, Valencia and the Principality of Catalonia) were at the same level (as you can see in the Caspe Compromise en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_Caspe ). Other examples are the catalan civil wars of the xv th century and their consequences (with a 1st attemp of declaring a catalan republic) or the reaper's war on the xvii th century, with again a declaration as a republic, which neded the protection of the crown of france and has strong parallelism with the events on england at the same time (the "long parliament"). So, please, dont make the misunderstanding of confusing the kingdom of aragon with the crown of aragon.