Its crazy how most nerfs make me like plants more, like how eletric blueberry went from a boring broken plant to more fun in eclise. Also most nerfs imo make plants more fair

@Cool_Kid95

Жыл бұрын

Broken? I always found that thing to be absolute garbage

@squareguy5353

Жыл бұрын

30th like! Nice

@el_mr6439

Жыл бұрын

@@Cool_Kid95 is good for swarms of weak zombies, good with plants with high damage to compensate

@goldenhorse4823

Жыл бұрын

​​@@el_mr6439mmm no? Except if you are not making a joke that is literally it's main weakness. EletricBlueberry is best for taking out high dammage zombies since it is basicaly an insta kill but to it's slow regeneration and attack cooldown time it is pretty weak against hoards

@chungo.

Жыл бұрын

​@@goldenhorse4823 probably was thinking about lighting reed instead

Pvz1 modding takes the exact opposite approach. (As a viewer of RCCH I've seen brutal mode, brutal mode EX, and brutal mode EX+). The buffs for plants are HEAVILY compensated by the extreme buffs given to zombies. Since the game has a much more limited set of plants and mechanics, people had to be very creative.

@ExtraBritish

Жыл бұрын

I like this way of doing things a lot more

@marcar9marcar972

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, while nerfing probably is easier, both can work

@jojojo9240

11 ай бұрын

Probably because in pvz1 you got to experience balanced gameplay in vanilla in the first place

@KL53986

9 ай бұрын

Small roster = easier time to balance certain things. Which is why Newspaper is like most buffed zombie usually in mods as otherwise its ability being like notable in early levels where you have nothing but puff shroom then you have heavy hitters that literally kills newspaper before it starts to run

@silverblade2871

8 ай бұрын

@@KL53986 "What is different about the newspaper zombie you ask?"

It's easier to nerf 5 plants than buff 105.

“ 8:30 Mods are played by people familiar with the base game” Me, who has never played the base game but has tried multiple mods because I don’t like the existence of premium plants:

@el_mr6439

Жыл бұрын

surely you already played it, but Reflourished is the perfect mod for you

@andrewgreeb916

Жыл бұрын

Familiar with the base game or the previous one, as in you know how to play and can take a bit of challenge. Maybe not hard mode or eclise level challenges, but a challenge.

@GNVS300

Жыл бұрын

ShyGuyMask moment

@JustAnotherCommenter

Жыл бұрын

Newer players like you are lucky Veterans know the pain of the existence of plants being converted to premium (sorry for bad grammar idk)

@theman4life

Жыл бұрын

i feel both pity and envy

While I agree that super strong plants like Winter Melon need nerfs in mods, I feel like sometimes it just gets taken way too far, to the point where the plant becomes useless and you might as well not have it in the game at all.

@nc7718

Жыл бұрын

That's not a bad thing. If making one plant useless makes six others equally viable, that's a good trade-off. Creeps goes over this in the vid.

@MainChannel9521

Жыл бұрын

@@nc7718 I still feel like they can make those 6 plants viable without making the one plant useless. Like, just nerf the one plant a little bit less. Like for example, does Winter melon really need such a large recharge time in reflourished? Is lowering that a little bit really gonna make those 6 other plants less viable? I don’t think so.

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

I don't think there's any mod out there where wm is overnerfed, some wms (chronos) may be better than other wms (reflourished) but theyre almost always really good

@HumanoidDerpling

Жыл бұрын

That is also something that should ideally also not happen.

@elevated6941

Жыл бұрын

@@nc7718 at this point why not just buff said mentioned plants? Most of the time it's not the case of the plant being outmatched, but being a hassle to use. Like I don't see how you can make peanut viable without buffing it or completely changing how it functions. (Like how altverz made it interesting by making it shoot peanuts diagonally like starfruit, but in a short range.) Other examples would be vamporcini and tomb tangler.

I've been thinking a lot, and I figured out the best option for everyone. It's a win-win solution that I'm surprised no one has thought of. buff only the plants I like

@viniciusgoulart5077

Жыл бұрын

Popcap hire this man

@togeluga_the_cat

Жыл бұрын

bassicaly me when all i want is just a buff for my boi pepper pult

@gratefulcranegames

Жыл бұрын

Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of balance?

@biscuitporkasmealchoice6741

Жыл бұрын

@@gratefulcranegames idk but i think citron and bowling bulb should be completely busted cause i think they're funny

@GNVS300

Жыл бұрын

Wolfy be on it making Lightning Reed do quadruple damage

One thing I don't like about this kind of balancing is the price, if you are going to make it expensive its because you know its strong enough to be worth the price, if you're going to keep the original/cheaper price, you must nerf it so isn't just broken due to being strong and cheap, but if you are making it expensive and nerf it you are making the plant bad and not worth it Edit: with some exceptions

@Milesprowerthegamer

Жыл бұрын

In a lot of cases, nerfing the plant itself and the cost is both necessary to keep it in check. Reflourished Winter is a good example of this, it got the nerfed attack speed AND increased cost because simply changing one stat or the other wouldn't really fix its balance. Quite frankly, a vanilla stat Winter Melon would still be extremely strong at 1000 sun. And if you went about only nerfing the stats and not touching the cost, you'd probably have to gut the attack speed to about a third of normal and make the chill uptime so low that it wouldn't be fun to use.

@lancetheking7524

Жыл бұрын

​@@Milesprowerthegamer vanilla winter with 1k wtf 💀

@foxinabox5103

Жыл бұрын

​@@Milesprowerthegamer on the other hand, 350 cost holly barrier is expensive af. 150 in vanilla is busted as hell, but 250 is fine imo

@ED-gw9rg

Жыл бұрын

​@@Milesprowerthegamer Funny enough, because of the 50 sun meta a 1000 Sun cost would keep it more in line with the PVZ1's crazy cost.

@Milesprowerthegamer

Жыл бұрын

@@foxinabox5103 350-cost Holly is fine, the cost is not much of an issue for such a potent wall that has powerful synergies with numerous plants like Power Lily, Tile Turnip, Intensive Carrot, and of course Blover.

Even PvZ1 mods nerf plants too. Scaredy Shroom and partially Jalapeño got slightly nerfed in Hard Mode. Scaredy Shrooms are no longer vulnerable when hiding, and Jalapeño’s damage was slightly decreased. Those “nerfs” can actually have their advantages. A major example of a nerf in a PvZ1 mod with absolutely no advantage is Puff Shroom and Sea Shroom in PvZ Brutal Mode. They disappear after a while, and cannot be replenished unlike PvZ2. Although they can drop sun upon dying.

@Qw3rtYzStuff

Жыл бұрын

those are buffs, not nerfs edit: puffshroom example is actually a nerf nvm

@satyaprakashbhavaraju3677

Жыл бұрын

@@Qw3rtYzStuff To further clarify, I did say that Scaredy Shroom’s inability to be used as a meatshield was the only downside, but its inability to get attacked while hiding is actually gives it an advantage, by not dying to the oncoming Zombie horde. In fact, if a Zombie eats Scaredy Shroom on a Lily Pad, the Scaredy Shroom will survive, allowing it to function like normal, while it levitates over the pool (LOL). Jalapeño’s very minuscule damage nerf is balanced out by an absolutely broken freezing mechanic that even outshines Ice Shroom. In a way, it can still eliminate anything as strong as a regular Buckethead Zombie or Zomboni. Think of how it can fare against Gargantuars and Football Zombies.

@kolossis8283

Жыл бұрын

I don't know bro, scaredy shroom one sounds like a buff

@satyaprakashbhavaraju3677

Жыл бұрын

@@kolossis8283 The more you think about it, it actually does. It really carried me through Level 2-8, where I was struggling with Dancing Zombie spam, but Scaredy Shroom, with its inability to get attacked while hiding, really shined.

@kolossis8283

Жыл бұрын

@@satyaprakashbhavaraju3677 true. Atleast you don't need to spend another 25 suns to buy another shroom. I mean, scaredy shrooms are cheap and no problem if you spend suns for them, but it will a huge advantage to save a lot suns since these mods have hard modes

It's hard to say what should or shouldn't be buffed or nerfed and it comes down to the way the creators wish to make something and what people enjoy. The binding of isaac had many changes to a bunch of different items in repentance and they are still being changed. I think it comes down to what the creator wants the game to be like and what the players enjoy. The best way to go about it is just communicating to find out what should be changed.

@nicholasaugello2534

Жыл бұрын

People in the binding of Isaac community don't even recommend Repentance for a first time player because of all the nerfs and genuinely, repentance is objectively the hardest dlc the binding of Isaac has to offer and it kinda fails at attracting new players until they feel like they're good enough or they want to play with other dlc characters that badly..

@nicholasaugello2534

Жыл бұрын

Also nerfs to dark bum and buffs to items like holy water exist, I went from loving dark bum to out right avoiding him and holy water is bobs brain but better

@cadetjones9205

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasaugello2534What? There has been drastically more buffs in the Binding of Isaac Repentance than nerfs. I don't get what you're talking about. Repentance is the most balanced and fun Isaac has ever been. Ain't no way Repentance is the hardest DLC when even previously bad item like Breath of Life and Butter Bean can carry the early game. If someone told you they don't recommend Repentance in the past, you should definitely reconsider cause the game is in a pretty good state right now. The only notable nerf I can think off that isn't completely overshadowed by items and character buffs is the nerf to the donation machine, but even that is hardly an issue. Afterbirth plus was way less balanced, the game basically boiled down to start with a good item or suffer.

@nicholasaugello2534

Жыл бұрын

@@cadetjones9205 I remember in my experience in repentance being alot more brutal but actually more fun , many items that were bad got buffed , but some of my favorite items got nerfed like blank pill , I just remembered getting a -100 win streak in repentance, cuz I had such hard time adjusting to the admittedly really fun alt path , but AB+ I never really had that tough a time outside of delerium, not that challenge is bad it's just when I routinely fail to beat a boss like Dogma mostly before I make it to beast , I'm gonna be of the opinion that repentance was a much harder experience, mostly because the day I unlocked Jacob and Esau I realized I was too harsh on the keeper.. because atleast with prepatched keeper I never got a -100 win streak, is it a skill issue? Yes I think repentance is objectively the hardest dlc, but it's WAY funner than AB+ by miles

@cadetjones9205

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasaugello2534 Well, it makes sense, why the game would feel harder now, Jacob and Esau are challenge characters that are intentionally difficult. If you play a challenge character then of course the game's gonna feel hard. I would recommend leaving characters like J&E, the Lost and Keeper for last, especially if you are adapting to the game changes. Repentance has quite a few new challenge characters, so you may want to unlock more stuff first.

It's more tolerable when a mod nerfs a plant you don't want nerfed than if the devs do it since it is a lot easier to just ignore a mod you don't like,

I feel like the simple truth about nerfs are that they usually feel bad. If there’s a thing you really like using, that’s really powerful, and you can’t use it anymore, a player that still wants to use that option is going to be disappointed by it. Not to say that nerfs are bad, but that players complaining about them simply don’t like their favorites being made worse.

Also if you have to buff 70+ plants instead of nerfing 9 to 5 plants it lessens the workload.

Poor little Timmy, dude. He just wanted to use wintermelons

I think Doom Shroom should return in pvz 2 but with some changes, like 250 sun cost, extremely long recharge, and keeping the mechanic of making craters where your unable to place plants for awhile, also having it be excluded from any/all boss fights

@andrewgreeb916

Жыл бұрын

Grind thousand added doom shroom, it's free and has no sun cost, 3 minute recharge. It kills all zombies, and all your plants, is it worth the risk?

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewgreeb916 yes because u can just revive them all with nutraine

@winmen5279

Жыл бұрын

that's dog shit plant. barely anyone would use it in general. primal potato mine is powercreeping the hell if it

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

@@winmen5279 thats just popcap being bad at balancing tbh, the idea they thought of sounds fine but unfortunately vanilla is far too unbalanced for an actual good idea to be able to make it into the game

@andrewgreeb916

Жыл бұрын

@@Amario_ never thought of that, although it's rough having to bring a second plant to make your emergency plant usable.

I'm pretty casual, I'd say, and to me, levels are most fun when I don't need to run the perfect strategy. That's why Eclise alienates me, when there are levels where you need to *bait* Octos into throwing their ammo just to *dig up* the plant at the right moment, things are not fun anymore, at least IMO.

@jkf16m96

11 ай бұрын

yeah, that's an example of a weird mechanic. it sounds wrong, they should just nerf octos so something like that can't occur. Like, each Octo can only send one octopus and that's it.

@BlackJack1136

8 ай бұрын

I hate that in many mods much more plants are useless and you can't play casually with fun and unique builds or just to try plant that you don't play often because you will lose the level and most of the time you have to use much stronger plants and perfect strategy which makes game less fun and repetitive

As someone working on a mod team; it’s so much simpler for people. You recognize why say in third strike, for an example of a very unbalanced game, why Chun li having a kick that’s incontestable, unpunishable and combos into a super that does half your health while being able to have 2 of those supers ready is op. But if you literally delete her from the game then you’re still not making anyone pick Sean more who’s so bad you can combo him when he hits you. It’s a lot easier to say what’s not allowed to have in a game than what you can, but the problem is most of the time the problem is the bottom tiers. The klobbs always gonna be atrocious even if you could quad wield it, bowser in melee has 3 moves that aren’t considered atrocious while being way too slow etc. When a game is very imbalanced its 9/10 the lower half. And usually if you’re to cut them from the select screen you’d get a very balanced game. Melee realistically has 14 viable characters out of 23 for example. So that’s…bad. Only about half the roster is viable. But if the bad characters didn’t exist you’d just have a roster of 14 with one guy lingering in viability. Which that’s a very good statistic. People just see the common stuff and want it to be less common and the less common stuff to be more common. But it’s so much better to find someone or something in the top 5 and draw the line there and ensure everything is at least around that level. That way you’re ok with something being a little better than average or worse but won’t deal with something really bad or op. People will make the underdogs popular if they’re under picked if they’re at least viable.

@Alejandro_R.

6 ай бұрын

Yeh

I actually thinked that reflourished Primal Sunflower is much better than Vanilla Primal Sunflower, since I can use the plant as a semi wall nut in the early game, even tho it cost 25+ more to place xd

@GNVS300

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. PSF was already my favourite sun producer on vanilla but with the health buff it got even better and I set a column of them up in the middle as an almost producer-defence hybrid, I very rarely don't bring it

@Jaxv3r

Жыл бұрын

@@GNVS300 and I also learn how to remove my Primal Sunflower before the zombies gobble it, so I can have my 50 sun back before the sunflower dies

@MikhailAurellio

Жыл бұрын

​@@GNVS300 Try 8 columns of Primal Sunflower :Troll (And also 1 column Magnifying Grass in the back lol)

I've seen a lot of folks say "just buff the zombies too" and the thing is, that just takes more effort for what's largely the same end result for a whole lot more work. So let's buff every plant to be as good as what it does as Winter Melon is. Well now you can steamroll the game with no difficulty and no one's having fun. So now let's buff all the zombies to keep up with the new plant power. What did we accomplish in the end? Winter Melon is now on par with every other plant, but by changing 99% of the game instead of 1%. And if I were a professional programmer, let alone a modder doing this for fun, I would certainly choose the option that changes less for the same expected value.

i think it's as simple as buff the bad plants, nerf the overpowered plants

@Jaxv3r

Жыл бұрын

I liked reflourished thyme warp, the price being expensive is worth it, especially you can use it on any world even tho it resets the zombies HP back to normal them going back in the beginning of the lane is worth it

@el_mr6439

Жыл бұрын

that's the best kind of balance change, the one that allows variety

@jkf16m96

11 ай бұрын

you're missing so many steps in that small sentence. let me show you. Okay, buff bad plants, which ones are objectively the bad plants?

@fortnitesexman

11 ай бұрын

@@jkf16m96 the ones..that are bad? there's no need for me to make my message longer for the sake of clarifying what a "bad plant" is, since i assume the people reading my comments are capable of asking and answering these following two questions what is it's job? is it good at it?

@ZIMOU2014

2 ай бұрын

​@@jkf16m96 the ones that are the opposite of good in adjectives

I would say to nerf AND buff, because nerfing alone isn't gonna make me wanna use garbage plants like pea-nut. Also nerfing everything to the ground (like making banana launcher cost 1000) isn't gonna make me creative either. It's gonna make me pick the most boring option (that being repeater) because it's consistent. plants that needs buffs are for an example grave buster, and peanut (which's both a bad wall *and* a bad attacker.) Also the issue isn't with the sun producers, it's with the sun costs. There are plants, which are WAY to cheap for what they do like witch hazel. (Like literally how is witch hazel and hocus crocus even in the same league?)

@APersonThat

Жыл бұрын

You just spoke my thoughts. Making huge nerfs to plants isn’t the way to go because it’s makes gameplay boring. Winter melon wasn’t “overpowered” it was just the meta that made it seem overpowered.

@andrewgreeb916

Жыл бұрын

The point of making Banana 1000 sun is so you can make it's attack 3x3 and up it's damage to cherry bomb levels, like pvz1 cob cannon. Sometimes the change isn't really a nerf it's a rebalance.

@elevated6941

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewgreeb916 at this point why not just add cob cannon from the Chinese version? They already did it with other plants, so it's possible.

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

@@elevated6941 not possible to make cob cannon take up two tiles, it just ends up looking really weird

@nguyentam244

Жыл бұрын

​@@elevated6941 Cob takes up 2 tiles, while Banana only takes 1 tiles. Therefore Banana would still be better if they both have the 3x3 radius. Also Cob Cannon in PvZ 2 Chinese looks ugly af

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Жыл бұрын

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Жыл бұрын

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i'm not opposed to most nerfs but one trend i've noticed(personally i have only played altverz but this seems to be present in other mods as well) is when plants get a significant price increase while the sun meta changes to 25 sun without significant changes anywhere else. i feel like a big victim of this is altverz laser bean, which i have kind of just never used. it's just too expensive and does too little unless there is a huge number of zombies, which there usually isn't. and since one laser bean alone can barely handle a regular zombie, i just prefer to use bloomerang. it's faster to get on the field and does more in the early game while usually doing well enough in the late game.

"You should buff more than you should nerf" is not exclusively a multiplayer/vs. concept. From what I've seen and tested, the fundamental reason why people often favor this idea is the simple truth that nerfs often make something just feel worse to use. Nobody's denying that Winter Melon is powerful, but seeing it cost 650 sun in a 25 sun meta is basically instant encouragement to never use it. Furthermore, mod creators often have a tendency to go totally overboard with nerfs, like making Dandelion cost a ridiculous 475 sun in AltverZ, while not giving it any substantial boost to damage output to compensate. In my own playthrough I came to the conclusion that this plant was kind of terrible after noticing just how little it actually contributed for the cost, which was just a bad feeling. It didn't make the game feel more balanced or fun, it just seemed like they had a vendetta against this one plant.

@mr.dieharderrz3807

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you. After I have played Reflourished for awhile, some plants got nerf so bad that I don't even want to use it. Winter Melon is one of the best example. Some nerfings are good somes are really bad. For example shine vine got nerfed so much that I feel like "Why did I even spend my 75 gems to buy this trash plant" Electric peashooter price increase from 200 to 475 suns? WTF!? Who would even want to use it. (TBH most of the premium, gemium, or seedium plants got nerfed in Reflourished. Most of the nerfs are price increasing and longer recharge time.)

@Creeps20

Жыл бұрын

This is something I explained in the video itself. In a multiplayer setting, both players recieve the same nerfs and buffs. In a single player setting, they both directly impact the ability for the player to win. In a multiplayer game, you can throw these buffs around a lot more without the game being damaged for it. In a single player game there needs to be more of a balance of buffs and nerfs, as otherwise the game becomes too easy. and frankly PVZ2 is already breaking at it's seems so buffs would actually just kill it oh and you are both wrong, like, electric peashooter in reflourished is so overwhelming strong that it's been nerfed 3 times and is still very effective according to the general community, as well as getting a damage buff from vanilla overall, and in altverZ dandelion has 3x3 splash instead of 1x1 splash, alongside a damage buff. like, i'm not gonna say you are like that primal sunflower guy, but you are like that primal sunflower guy

@crackersandpie136

Жыл бұрын

@@Creeps20can confirm. Reflourished Epea is still one of the best attacking plants in the premium section and is a common recommendation for new players in terms of a heavy plant. *Seriously the amount of fantastical splat you can get away with Epea is honestly nuts.* He may be better balanced,but he’s still super strong and is always worth building a deck for.

@mr.dieharderrz3807

Жыл бұрын

​@@Creeps20 You're wrong with one thing buddy. Electric peashooter in Reflourished didn't get any damage buff from Vanilla. and about it being effective. I know that it is effective but just look at its overwhelming sun cost from 200 -> 475. Is it really worth for such cost? Not to mention about its longer recharge time (from 5 -> 15). No one is gonna get a 475 sun cost plant within 5 seconds anyway pfft.

@Creeps20

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.dieharderrz3807 yes. it is worth it. i think you don't know how to manage sun being your issue here. Anyways it *did* actually get a damage buff, just not directly. It fires more bolts per shot than it did before, which increases it's damage by a lot. I'd check the changelogs, as they are your best way to learn this stuff for reflourished.

Something worth saying is that mods not only generally have longer levels than vanilla, but also expect you to use at MINIMUM 2 columns of sun. That's why mods often have some plants "nerfed" to have crazy high plant costs. They're there by necessity. If this wasn't the case you could easily plant the most expensive plants within the first quarter of each level, and every level would have to be insanely spammy to compensate.

@kyarumomochi5146

Жыл бұрын

I hardly see any mod that even lets you properly set up 2 collumms

@KrisJ_

Жыл бұрын

​@@kyarumomochi5146 Well most the time i have 2 collumms of sun pretty easy , even 3 or 4 no problem.

@willw5868

Жыл бұрын

@@kyarumomochi5146 skill issue

@enderallygolem

Жыл бұрын

​@@kyarumomochi5146 Mods don't expect you to have a "proper" 2 columns. They expect you to constantly add sunflowers throughout the entire level so long as they produce more sun than their cost before they die

@kyarumomochi5146

Жыл бұрын

@@enderallygolem Wich mods are we talking about here?

God I love playing Reflourished so much, but some of the nerfs darn make some plants just seem really not... worth using. Being someone who's not the most expert-y at the game (I'm more into PvZ1), It's pretty weird to have Winter Melon have a slower recharge and attack speed, alongside the cost raise, making it way less reliable to use for chill damage, and honestly kinda outclassed by Cold Snapdragon (Haven't reached Snow Pea, but I've heard it was buffed from PvZ1 to have spread chill).

@thisperson4162

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree Btw Im on BWB day 34 and I think in the later levels I really don't see myself using winter anymore except in LC and DA but in DA will take longer

@el_mr6439

Жыл бұрын

yeah, i believe they nerfed it too much

@GNVS300

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the devs insist that Winter-Melon and Missile Toe are still really good, but... nah. Snow Pea did indeed get buffed to get splash (although does not have the freeze shot it got in PVZ2), so you might as well just use Snow Pea + Melon-Pult for cost efficiency. I agree with the three nerfs WM got by themselves, but all at the same time is a bit much; if it had the ROF nerf and lost the perma-chill but was still 500 sun I would be fine with it.

@creeptrap3104

Жыл бұрын

@@GNVS300 I think if they made winter melon just cost 650-700ish sun then it would’ve been a fair nerf

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

@@creeptrap3104 if vanilla wm costed 650-700 sun it would be really op still

There is actually a very simple reason for this and it isn't just mods. In shooters if you just buff everything either every gun becomes a sniper or you buff player health as part of this leading to everything but 1 item getting a buff which is no different then that single nerf as the world changes in the exact same way.

For most mods it's 'because balancing is complex and nerfing some things is healthy for the overall state of the game' But for Eclise it's 'Because I hate fun, I hate good game design, and I hate you' like pretty much all of Eclise.

@cephalosjr.1835

Жыл бұрын

Why do you say that about Eclise? I’m not familiar with the mod, but I nevertheless really want to know. EDIT: I miswrote my sentiment. A better way of expressing it would be “It’s not that I’m challenging your statement, I just really want to know.”

@citcoin-official2681

Жыл бұрын

@Cephalos Jr. If you look at the video on mints in Eclise, you'll see one of the many reasons I say that. (Mints in Eclise are designed in an unethical and predatory fashion) And it's a good example of Eclise's general design. It has a lot of stuff that's considerably worse than the basegame for seemingly no reason other than the dev didn't like it. It's also absolutely stuffed full of artificial difficulty.

@R0CKDRIG0

8 ай бұрын

@@citcoin-official2681 Unethical and predatory how? From what I remember you could get them either by playing the updates as soon as they came out for a big amount or later at your own pace for a smaller amount; and buying plants with it, even if based on luck, would not take you longer than a few days.

F in the chat for Gloom Vine and Missile Toe on RFL

@guacodile2528

Жыл бұрын

Missile toe is fine, it just very annoying to use. I wish it had more sun cost and firing rate at the cost of having actual freeze and better chill. It's just too spam-clicky

The problem is when all they do is nerf plants and make them cost more than the usual price but the OP zombies are still OP and the spam BS is still not modified

@andrewgreeb916

Жыл бұрын

Usually they offer an alternative solution in that case. Grind thousand throws constantly stronger zombies at you, but you have plant leveling to counteract that.

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

Unless you're playing shuttle, there isn't any mods with op zombies

@Ghosty_Dosty

Жыл бұрын

​@@Amario_ I consider Reflourished as the closest thing of what PvZ 2 was supposed to be excluding the "DLC" They made 2 patches, the first that was somewhat good and necessary. The 2nd one though is complete trash and I'm glad I didn't update to that. They nerfed the plants even more and even took out some of their effects completely like the zombie stun ability of Apple Mortar

@Ghosty_Dosty

Жыл бұрын

​@@andrewgreeb916 It's mostly what plants you choose. The free will jumped from the window and died in PvZ2, if you didn't choose the wright plants even if they counteract the zombies. Woops, keep trying to beat the level with the wright plants! Which ones? Keep trying and figure it out yourself with infinite game overs!

@itswhipthemercurian

Жыл бұрын

That rarely ever happens because usually the "OP" zombies are not spammed

I think reflourished primal sun teaches players to use it as a sun produczr and a wall which will encourage players to get better at pvz2 mostly because reflourisheds player base are not particularly good at the game

@andrewgreeb916

Жыл бұрын

Sounds better than eclise's sink or swim style of learning. For eclise you either become a pro pvz player or you hit a brick wall on one of those numerous challenge levels.

@KrazeemSB2

Жыл бұрын

that's true relourisheds aren't generally that great but man fuck lv 48 of holiday mash-up all my homies hate lv 48 of holiday mash-up

@danielfazylov6960

Жыл бұрын

​@Krazeem that wasn't that bad for me ngl heck on launch the level was really easy except for the first phase

500 sun cost is already enough to scare me away from winter melon most the time. I'm better off using cheaper plants.

@77elite9

11 ай бұрын

Pack in like 3 columns of sun producers and 500 sun is not hard to reach.

@phorchybug3286

3 ай бұрын

​@@77elite9 easier said than done, buddy.

@77elite9

3 ай бұрын

@@phorchybug3286 no? I find myself often with too much sun when I do that so it really is that easy. Anyways I’m done with this game, don’t message me again.

@m4rcyonstation93

2 ай бұрын

​@@phorchybug3286 I mean if you just constantly keep enough sun for a sun producer on hand, and place the moment it goes off CD, it's really not that hard

what are you talking about that’s the BEST intro you’ve ever done

@fortnitesexman

Жыл бұрын

best, but still dumbest

@dundun26

Жыл бұрын

u are correct!

I agree with the video, but on a side note, I really don't like Reflourished's Shine vine nerf. It take 3 cycle to MATCH its price, where ever other sun producer EXCEEDS their own in just 2. It also takes forever to recharge. Seems no reason to run it when you can just put down another sunflower. It requires on space being a heavy problem, but Sunbean and Gold Bloom are better in that regard

@enderallygolem

Жыл бұрын

Sun bean and gold bloom aren't passive producers, you can't slowly plant more and more of them as the level progresses. Space saving is pretty important, as usually the thinf stopping you from planting more sun producers is the lack of space. With something like shine vine, the only cost from planting one is a seed slot to pick the plant

as long as they are left as fun, then it doesn't matter if they are nerfed or buffed, unless that nerf or buff makes the plant absolutely broken and bad for the game, but a fun plant usually is just a really good niche instead of a sweep plant

This is why I like Reflourished mod more than Eclise, because it still makes plants still familiar to use while being reworked/changed unlike Eclise reworks plants for the sake of making them balanced (Still don't like how Starfruits projectile is slower, Lightning Reeds very slow recharge, and what the heck does Red Stinger is)

@andrewgreeb916

Жыл бұрын

Never understood the change to starfruit, I guess they wanted it to be unique compared to rotobaga, but honestly rotobaga is usually always the better plant even after the nerfs, so instead of making starfruit worse why not make it something else.

@elfbeaned

Жыл бұрын

​@@andrewgreeb916 here is one explanation of starfruit (I tried my best, as I no longer play eclise till alpha 3) -Starfruit's slow attack speed is to make it less op compared to the vanilla version, but their damage output on hig health zombies is higher. That is gp2's concept -I must confirm, rotobaga+starfruit have almost never been balanced in eclise. Once one of them is buffed, the other goes almost useless and vice versa. In beta 1.9, t3 starfruit one shot most basic zombies and variants, while rotobaga took ages to place the first one, while has lower damage and worse AI. In eclise alpha, starfruit is more expensive, still slow *** attack speed, and t2, t3 damage is nerfed, while rotobaga received damage boost, cost reduction and in total, it is starfruit, but better.

@AwesomeGamer-om4hm

9 ай бұрын

The one change I honestly dislike with Reflourished is that Draftodil cannot kill tiny zombies with a gust anymore. This pretty much kills the strat that combines her with Shrinking Violet.

@R0CKDRIG0

8 ай бұрын

@@andrewgreeb916 Starfruit is cheaper and the layout they require to accurately defend both the front and the back is way easier to plan.

First time you actually mentioned Reflourished in one of these videos

@chadman9355

Жыл бұрын

Not the first

@Ladengoat

Жыл бұрын

@@chadman9355 at least the first time I've seen it mentioned

@guacodile2528

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ladengoat he mentioned on the "why I don't like how plants get buffed" video

@Ladengoat

Жыл бұрын

@@guacodile2528 yeah I did not finish that one

When I first saw and tried Winter Melon in Reflourished, I felt the plant wasn't worthy. Increased in sun cost and recharge, lower firing rate and shorter chill time, well, at first glance the plant isn't worth to bring out. However, the developers decided to give Winter Melon his splash buffs, and that overally increases the plant's effectiveness. Maybe some people don't know, Winter Melon's main power lies beneath his splash ability, this differs him from high, concentrated damage plants like Citron. Nerfing the chill time and firing rate will force the players to plant more of them instead of just 2 in the 2nd and 4th row; or pair the plant with the others instead of using the plant as the only attacker in order to creat a defense with least weaknesses possible. Nerfing the sun cost and recharge time will make the users more appreciate the plant, that it is very expensive to replant, that it is hard to restore once lost. That the whole point of a tower defense game, that everything needs to work together to form a good defense with no weaknesses, to make players think and creative; be challenging while fun to play at the same time. Overall, the Plants vs Zombies 2 itself used to be a fun game, but the amount of overwhelming-powerful plants added really makes the game no different than just-place-down-and-win game rather than a tower defense game. Some mods are doing a good job in balancing the plants, but some just not very good at it. And balancing isn't an easy work to do, it takes a lot of time to consider which one should be changed and should be kept, or if it's changed, then how so.

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

Well said. 👍

@lotplantagon

Жыл бұрын

@@Amario_ well, thank you

@antikytheracookie619

Жыл бұрын

only issue is... just use melon pult now im not paying 2x sun cost for a weaker melon pult

@lotplantagon

Жыл бұрын

@@antikytheracookie619 You know, Melon-pult also receives a similar nerfs and buffs just like Winter Melon. Also, the balance that the developers decided for the Melon brothers just make them better together, one with cheaper cost and one with better crowd-control.

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

@@antikytheracookie619 "weaker melon pult" not at all a weaker melon pult, the crowd control this guy has is insane with even just a column of them, not to mention hes only 650 sun, thats cheaper than most winter melons you'll encounter. Melon Pult may be far cheaper but he doesn't have any of the crowd control options winter melon has.

I do understand why most mods are harder than the base game because most people that play mods have probably played PVZ1, PVZ2 and PVZ3 for dozens of hours many for probably hundreds of hours. But I do think that some easier overpowered mods should exist. Not only because it can be fun in short bursts to just feel unstoppable or be able to turn off your brain and not think for a bit. But also to help introduce people to mods that might not otherwise want to try them because they are too hard or challenging. If you look at other games that are heavily modified like Minecraft. Pretty much every Bethesda game, factorio and many other games you will see that all though there are plenty of mods that make the game harder or more difficult there are also mods that add things that are silly or overpowered or just ridiculous just because they can. I remember my first Minecraft mods were TMI (to many items) basically a recipe and item spawning mod, clay soldiers. A really funny mod were you made little clay people and you could give them stuff to use as equipment and they would fight each other. And a mod called rainbow ore. It added a ore that looked like iron or gold but it was all rainbow colored. It was like 3 times stronger than diamond so really OP and it was only about as rare as diamond. But I remember that I had really fun with these mods. I didn’t care that some stuff was OP I just was fascinated by the fact I even could mod Minecraft at all. My point with this example is that not every mod has to mod for a more pro audience. Not every mod needs to be a challenge or needs to be difficult. Sometimes just silly fun and messing around is all you really need. I already have a couple of ideas for PVZ2 mods that could be easy and not very challenging but still fun. Hell even a simple mod that basically is just the original game but make all the micro transactions available for purchase with coins and rework some of the more bullshit levels and change to order you unlock worlds and plants and that is pretty much it. Yea it will probably be easy and could be easily exploited but the point of easy mods like this would be to act as a bridge between people that have never used a mod and people that play a lot of mods. Like I said with my Minecraft mods. If the only mods that exist for Minecraft were mods that made the game hard and more challenging I probably wouldn’t have gotten into mods until many years later and i would most likely have gotten frustrated with many mods feeling unfairly difficult or challenging. Easy and simple mods should exist to allow for different play styles and skill level. Sometimes you just want to turn your brain off for a while and not really need to think.

@petrikhorr

8 ай бұрын

i mean sure, but for the most part mods are intended to be played after the base game. yes there probably should be some "chill out and do whatever" sandbox type mods, but especially in pvz1, you can kinda already do that for the most part.

Let’s just say the game is balanced around peashooter and not winter melon or pokra. If someone decides to make peashooter as powerful as winter melon or pokra, then what’s the point in using those plants in the first place? And since peashooter is so strong it could 1 shot everything, it raises the problem that you need to buff the zombie to match his power, and it’s not just 1, but EVERY zombies in the game. So just by buffing a plant because you think its weak, you accidentally create more problems for yourself, meanwhile nerfing some specific plants would save you more time.

@mr.dieharderrz3807

Жыл бұрын

I hate that logics . . . especially comparing peashooter and winter melon.

@M.3.K.Y

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.dieharderrz3807 Of course it’d be unfair to compare peashooter and winter melon, but this is a tower defense game we’re talking about, you have account other factors as well. Says, both pvz1 and pvz2 winter melon have the same stats, but in pvz1, winter melon is more balanced, since the sun meta is 25 + you need to take both melons, so you’d need a long time before you’re able to place even 1 down. In pvz2, the game is much more faster thanks to the 50 sun meta, you don’t have to pick melon-pult and you also have plantfood to boost your sun production. It’s not just the stats that are the problems.

@impossiblehanley2732

Жыл бұрын

But then the opposite problem happens with nerfs. Take reflourished for example. There's no point in using winter melon because it was overnerfed to the point it is outclassed by similar plants.

@R0CKDRIG0

8 ай бұрын

Plants have more attributes than just pure damage. Pokra attacks through zombies at short distance, slows and poisons them. Winter melon slowly attacks from above, chills them and covers adjacent lanes. Peashooter attacks straight but it's projectiles can catch fire and it reloads fast. Plants should be designed to account for different situations.

An interesting way to rework Winter Melon into a high-Sun Support would be to make his AoE temporarily Freeze enemies, so players get a feeling of "Daaamn, that's a high-cost, high-power Support!" It'd feel similar to Kingdom Rush's DWAARP, in a way: Relatively heavy hits with brief/guaranteed Stunning, but not so much of either that your other Towers no longer need to exist. Kingdom Rush gets away with awesome designs like the DWAARP costing +1000 Gold because every Stun/CC in that game is gonna cost you that much anyways. Imagine if we got a Tier 2 Archer that HALVES THE SPEED OF ENEMIES for only 300 Gold! That's what Snow Peashooter is to most mods, and it's kinda unfair.

@imjoniiii

5 ай бұрын

Aoe freezing is the definition of god mode say you applied freezing to snow pea or gave kernel pult 100% butter chance, the front zombie gets frozen but several zombies can push forward over time granting a winter melon freezing means not just the targetted zombie, but zombies behind it too are frozen, there is zero push and you have a literal god plant

@ED-gw9rg

5 ай бұрын

@@imjoniiii I mean a freeze that lasts for 1-2s or so, so that yes, it looks quite powerful, but it's about the same effect as the lame chill we have right now. It's all about the presentation, ya know!

@imjoniiii

5 ай бұрын

@@ED-gw9rg 2-3 winter melons

Again solid video, just needs subtitles. Its often hard to hear the words you say at different sections of the video

Yooo!! Potion Craft gameplay!! So hype to watch.

The problem is some if not most casual players prefer to install mods so they can play the plants they want without having to buy them using real money, So saying that they should go back to base game is gatekeeping and just inconsiderate

@Mr_Doug

11 ай бұрын

There's no need to oversimplify the game, if you don't like the nerfs go play with free shop or something. Gatekeeping, huh? As if it was a bad thing.

The intro is the thing I would pay to see in an out of context compilation

So I watched the video. And i have faced the balance issues in my own modding experience. I like to buff weak plants, nerf the strongest plants, and generally change things. I’ve also buffed and nerfed and overall changed several zombies as well. There’s not many plants that feel unfairly broken. I still need to fix sling pea tho. I tried but no one was able to help me make it knot target one lane.

Ngl,Reflourished/Altverz Winter is the only reason I ever use him because if I try to use Vanilla Winter,I would fall asleep before finishing a level because of how boring it is.

Altverz is actually epic, the nerfs and other changes have made the game so much more fun to me

I love watching these videos while I eat food, they hit that perfect part in my head in a way I can't explain with words

Give me that game you used, that has you crushing ingredients and putting it in a cauldron, NOW

@Creeps20

Жыл бұрын

thanks for reminding me i'm an idiot and forgot to put it in the description. Potion Craft: Alchemist Simulator, tis a pretty a good

@baaa838

Жыл бұрын

@@Creeps20 thank you so much

Before watching the video, some of the Plants of the original PvZ2 we're straight up overpowered, just because they sold them in the Real money shop, one of the best examples might be the Apple Mortar, 250 Sun cost, Hits 3 lanes at once and an additional stun on the enemy. I also felt like that later plants are power creep the older once, so you have more incentive to use them.

I started playing Reflourished after I got a little bored with the worlds in vanilla PVZ2. I wanted to check out the new and unique plants and worlds offered by the mod, but when I installed the mod I found the increase in difficulty to make the levels overall less enjoyable. Sure a casual game can be hard, but when the later stages of the game became a slog of nightmare level after nightmare level the game ceased being fun for me. I wish there was a mod for PVZ2 that introduced MORE broken plants and new worlds whilst maintaining the base games difficulty (or lack thereof)

@jeremybottoms7619

8 ай бұрын

I agree like it hurts my brain that there the premium plants are free (which is a good thing) but you have to play the levels after the first boss of each world to unlocked them and the increase difficulty spike is insane and they encourage you to wait untill you beat modern day to play those levels meaning you don't even get to use those plants for moat levels. And they when wait to far in nerfing then plants, yes the game is more balanced but honestly kinda to balanced the premium plants don't feel as special since most of them is kinda worst than the ones you unlock from the main levels

2:18i don't agree cuz then you get games where every weapon kills you so fast due to multiple buffs and becomes a game of who sees the other first, but there are some cases like medic from tf2 where all of his primaries except 1 are bad and instead of making the good weapon worse(nerf) they should make the bad weapons better(buff) 2:45while this is true it forces players and lessens fun and playability, just like sniper in tf2 he's broken and the best way to counter him is to play sniper and be better,but that would mean I have to stop my fun and play style just to counter someone on the other team and that sucks the fun out of the experience

I love how eclise rework plants because they don't feel like better versions of other plant what is great

@ED-gw9rg

Жыл бұрын

Eclise actually makes every Plant feel uniquely powerful. For example, Fume Shroom and Laser Bean are both piercing AoE Attackers, but feel completely different in gameplay: - Laser Bean brings Kingdom Rush's Tesla x104 to mind, being super slow but hitting everything in the lane. You want to stall Zombies for Laser Bean to do it's job, just like how the Artillery and Barracks synergize in KR. - Fume Shroom is faster with a shorter range, encouraging more aggressive/rightward setups than Laser Bean. Risky and rewarding in a different way.

@R0CKDRIG0

8 ай бұрын

A few do (I think Iceberg Lettuce completely destroys the need for Potato Mine), but it's remarkable how most of them have unique characteristics. Even Peashooter and Repeater each have a place and time.

Great video!

@dundun26

Жыл бұрын

thanks!

I wanna say that the one Seedium that I feel really works in base game is Dazey Chain which the only reason I’m okay with it is because it half-carried me through the entire game Along with Cherry Bomb

I was like most of what this video said tbh. I didnt like that op plants from 2 was nerfed, and it made me not want to play eclise. Then I tried some of the plants, and damn I kinda like the changes and nerfed plants so much more then the non nerfed version due to just how muhc more fun it is to spend 1350 for a calipower rather then like 250. and it not being broken makes me find value in plants more. I also like the idea of plant reworks in general, as plants like peanut are made more fun. Too bad reworks also make plants like lighting reed just unusable. eitherway good vid and I agree

14:20 "... people just not understanding things. That's fine and human." Creeps spitting philosophy I was unprepared for xD

5:50 Okay can we talk about the disgusting garbage going on over on the zombie's side there? Who at Popcap/EA okayed that?

@DrDrao

Жыл бұрын

It's endless mode. It scales the longer you play it. You shouldn't ever encounter this in the base game.

@lettucebob7395

Жыл бұрын

@@DrDrao It literally says day 13 at the top,still an average level though

@DrDrao

Жыл бұрын

@@lettucebob7395 Never mind then. I didn't expect that to be a regular level.

@guacodile2528

Жыл бұрын

It's cuz the chard guard kept knocking back so the zombies kept stacking Also we don't need the adventure to be any easier plz. It was already nerfed so much over time.

@getalifeyoulosernerdfuckyo6164

Жыл бұрын

@@guacodile2528 what is bro waffling about 😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

I think a problem with nerfs in mods not just for PvZ, but in general, is the rest of the game isn't adjusted to compensate for the nerf. Sometimes, that's not necessary, but other times, it makes a drastic change to the difficulty that makes so many things far harder. Pikmin 2 mods are a good example of this. Most nerf the extremely powerful Purple Pikmin, but they don't adjust much about the games combat, and since the games combat is balanced around the Purple Pikmin, it makes normal encounters with enemies as hard as some bosses. Some things do need nerfs, but if a game is designed around something being as powerful as it is, the game needs adjusting as well.

The balance changes in Reflourished are fairly balanced.

Can you help me install pvz shuttle, the original tutorial video has an age gate and i don't have a download link

1:00 why the seed packs dont have level and no classe is a old pvz2 or a mod too?

For me, I play mods for just more of the base game, with some twists to spice it up. Most mods balance the plants by changing how the plant should be played entirely, and that I think is an issue. For people like me, we aren't exactly trying to play a new game, more like an extension of a base game. This is why I think reflourished does a good job of plant balancing. The roles of the plants aren't changed, instead how effective they are at the role they are given is changed. I don't have to relearn how a plant works, it still can be used the same.

I'm still sad that Lightning Reed was Nerfed in PVZ 2 Reflourished, that plant was pretty middle of the road.

Nerfs don't really matter to me, because if I can still manage to make my strategy to work, then I feel it's good. (and it being using Twin Sunflowers and instas to save up for Winter Melons. Yes it worked in Reflourished last time I checked.)

Wow... 1:59 Someone finally using potion craft in a video

Neat, bug fables footage when I'm playing it as I watch this.

Winter melon definitely needed nerfed but not nearly as much as it was in Reflourished. Now it is complete garbage.

@GNVS300

Жыл бұрын

True

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

not really, his damage and splash is really good, get down a column of them and you can have complete control of the playing field

a good developer should balance out his arsenal of nerfs buffs and reworks to what you have a plant too weak to play? buff it a plant too strong to stay as is? nerf it the plant is completely and utterly fucking useless or nonsensical? rework it

The greatest intro to a video ever made

Can someone give a reason to why use starfruit in altverz? The whole point of it was that it was a cheap repeater with strange directions, now it's just a repeater with strange directions, what's the point.

If you buff everything else to match, the game becomes easy, buff the enemies and suddenly it just looks like the op stuff is nerfed. You cannot buff everything, or else it is literally not changing a thing

I Think That The Easiest Way To Balance A Game Is To Make Everything You Have Broken And Then Make The Enemies More Broken For More Consistent Results. Also Enemies That Counter Stuff In Unique Ways As Theirs A Lot Of Ways To Make Instas Not Kill A Zombie Without Them Having Resistances And While Having That Zombie Still Contribute More Than Just That.

Very solid intro

About wmp, I didn't even know that it was nerfed when I played reflorished, I played the PvZ 2 vanilla and never once used it intentionally, but in the mod decided to use it and really liked it

What is the version of game in video? Is it mobile or somehow pc. And how do I get the mods in the game.

I liked that kernel pult is useable in altverz I liked using it a lot

what about buffing the zombies, like giving them more hp, explosive resistance, or slow resistance? that may be harder to code, im not sure, but how would that help the buffing all plants argument?

@enderallygolem

Жыл бұрын

It's strictly more work, since you'll have to balance plants AND zombies. Besides, some instants like cherry bomb pierce armor, so regardless of how buffed zombies are they'll instakill basics. Which means the only way to buff zombies to compensate is to make them significantly faster

@mysterysecret6815

Жыл бұрын

Nope. If you are buffing the zombies to compensate buffing all plants, assuming you are balancing properly, you get the same result as nerfing one plant. The difference is nerfing plant only requires you to nerf a singular plant. On the other hand buffing everything else means you are changing 99% of the game. It makes more sense to change 1% than the 99%. It will take way more work buffing every single plant and zombie just to match one overpowered plant.

btw, killing infinite zombie is quite a hard thing to pull off if the plant will get distracted constantly let's say by tons of wizards not even on the map or gargs from far future.(iirc they can't be hit for a while) killing infinite zombie is very simple on some endless because of lack of strong ranged. so that would mean you need strong plant or boosted just to have a chance against them. I feel like if a consistent aoe plant gets too good to a point where it can clear so much of the game, it would cause the regular game that to be quite boring because you would spam them without thinking. if you play pvz2 vanilla a lot, some of the broken plants might not even seem broken to you because of how unbalanced the game is.

@modageddon2742

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that happened to me i was playing around with winter and cherry bomb alot and never felt like i was very over the top in terms of damage

@winmen5279

Жыл бұрын

​@@modageddon2742 yeah cherry bomb and winter melon dps is good. but no where close to some of the best plants. cherry bomb is very very mid in this game even bad, winter melon stays quite relevent in pp due to having long chill and 3 lanes(zomboss in pp reduce effect duration). banana launcher is completely out classed by boom flower if you can click.

@winmen5279

Жыл бұрын

@@modageddon2742 The amount of busted aoe plants made it so st need to be on steroids to be good, which is pretty much why we got peavine.

it's the difference between buffing 60% of plants fairly carefully, and then buffing all the zombies even more carefully, and nerfing 20% of plants maybe a little haphazardly. From a game design point of view, both have merits and demerits. From a modder's point of view, one is *strictly less work* for *close enough* results

0:44 and in more vanilla style mods, that percentage can still be around twnehdatherdypessenousow

A lesson in game design on what deserves a nerf, be it singleplayer or multiplayer I’ve learned: the Telescience clause. Context: there’s an obscure little game I used to play called Space Station 13. Think Among Us with Dwarf Fortress levels of detail. In a particular server, there’s telescience, a room with a teleporter, that if you know some basic math, can teleport anything to and from the machine given some coordinates. And I mean *anything*. Valuables, weapons, bombs, people, nerve gas grenades, all of it. This opens up a lot of options for an aspiring “impostor”. Remote bombing, remote theft, remote kidnapping, remote arson, remote murder. However, it was starting to become a problem for the server, so the admins made a promise. It was okay for teleporter shenanigans to happen once in a while, as it was great for chaos and unpredictability, but should it happen every round, the teleporter would be nerfed or even removed. Since then there’s been a silent pact to not abuse the teleporter, at least not too often. What to learn from this is that if player strategies start to become homogeneous, IE winter melons, puff shrooms, and gloom shrooms, it’s time for a nerf.

Hey, im just planning on getting into pvz2 mods. Which ones should i start with so i can get something not insanely hard?

@GNVS300

Жыл бұрын

Reflourished

@itswhipthemercurian

Жыл бұрын

Altroz/Altverz

@RaphielShiraha64

Жыл бұрын

altverz/alterz.

@Amario_

Жыл бұрын

Depends, the easiest mod out there is DEFINITELY Reflourished If you're more into the faster paced gameplay I'd start with it If you're more into slow paced gameplay then Altverz would be a better start

@drishitareddy8000

11 ай бұрын

Eclice

i'm developing my own minecraft modpack and imma say... player nerfs or enemy buffs are much more common than the opposite like finding a way to make flight actually balanced is just pain

Such a banger intro, rip lil timmy

That intro is something else.

that was the best intro ever

The intro alone made me like. It caught me do off guard when he said I died and im in the ground😂😂

I think the real question is if vs. mode is liked so much how come most mods don't have it?

One note about balance from a Warhammer 40K/Kill Team player and ex-magic player. If you only buff you will have eventually the problem of powercreep and the dominant strategies will become more uniform. That's what happened in 9ed and what is happening with magic and Yu-Gi-Oh.

Love the intro

@dundun26

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thanks!

I recently went to try out reflourished and it went so easy until i faced against dark ages zombot like man that thing gave me ptsd from all the gargantuars the thing was spamming plus only having fume shrooms and puff shrooms isnt the best for to deal with them but i do gotta say it was fun af

I to, spontaneously combust upon failure in PVZ2 0:22

Reflourished: "Lets make all good plants trash and like 5 weak plants slightly more decent

@Amario_

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you're literally the little timmy shown in the intro lmao thinking rfl overnerfs plants cuz ur so used to the broken vanilla plants

@isaacmon2252

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Primal sunflower is still great, in some situations better than vanilla because of its health, the nerf to its cost does not matter

In such single player game mods, where you dont have any multiplayer interactions, most plants should be balanced around game progression, maybe with an opportunity to later make your favorite plants on the same power level than your main ones. For example, you REALLY like peashooter, so why not making it deal same damage as other towers for the cost of a special item you get after certain levels. I dont know how it would be played, but its certainly sounds pretty interesting in my opinion, since it can make some older beloved plants much more useful in the late game. Balancing stuff around game progression is a bit easier than balancing all plants around pvp's. Terraria has a very good game progression where weapons become stronger the further you progress, but it also has some oddballs that receive buffs based on where exactly on the progress line you are, like Abigael's Flower (i think thats the name) that increases speed and damage of your summon after you enter hardmode.

idk why i got so hyped at the 5 seconds of bug fables footage

I wonder if any mod has ever tried balancing instant plants (or aoe attacks in general) the way btd6 does it by having pierce caps.

14:30 yo I love this guy!

Now I wanna do a 10 sun Meta

Can you make a video about the Mints?